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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP

« on: April 05, 2024, 01:50:47 PM »

Is our Congress the worst duly elected congress in the world? Maybe others are also bad?

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Non-Political Market/Economy/Finance/etc. Thread

« on: April 05, 2024, 11:47:54 AM »

I’d be pumped if I was like 40 yrs older than I am

Yeah, a strong economy now doesn't mean jack for my retirement, but it's nice to see nonetheless.

No idea when full retirement will happen for me, but I'm within a few years of my plan for semi-retirement (whatever job I can get with full benefits and as little actual work as possible).

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

« on: April 05, 2024, 11:40:02 AM »

My preferred scenarios, in order:

1. Tang stays, Dick leaves
2. Tang stays, Dick stays
3. Tang leaves, Dick leaves, we hire Beard

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Non-Political Market/Economy/Finance/etc. Thread

« on: April 05, 2024, 10:28:45 AM »

He's retiring with full benefits from the state at 58.  He's going to delay SS until 72. He needs to make sure his wife is on the work until 66 or older plan.

That helps greatly. Thank you.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Non-Political Market/Economy/Finance/etc. Thread

« on: April 05, 2024, 09:39:06 AM »

85 and out (retire at 58), a Roth, and then wait on Social Security if I am lucky enough to make it to 72.

Going to have the steve dave talk with my wife.

I think I need a translation for this.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: TexAgs politics board gems thread

« on: April 05, 2024, 09:04:29 AM »

Steps to make bugs or lab-grown meat in high demand
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Algorithmic Epiphany11:02a, 4/3/24
1. Make lab grown meat, promise it saves the planet.
2. Due to lack of success, poison (vax/flu) or slander the farm raised meat as unacceptable.
3. ....

4. Profit.

Between the supply chain fires, bird/pork flu, MRNA in beef, making fertilizer illegal.... I can only accept this is the direction THEY are attempting to take us.

What say you?

I take exception with bugs catching strays in that post. I’m actually pretty bullish on insects making up a significant source of our protein at some point.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

« on: April 05, 2024, 06:55:51 AM »

I always think it's gotta be annoying for a coach to deal with the K-State fan base since we freak out over unsubstantiated rumors like this all the time. Like, all the time.

But, maybe every fan base is like that. I don't roam around other teams' message boards.

I think that kind of stuff is pretty easy for a coach to ignore and evergreen in fan bases.

I feel like the only places where a fan base actually affects the job are the schools with multiple mega donors who all insist on having a say in how things are done cause they’re used to getting their way.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: TexAgs politics board gems thread

« on: April 05, 2024, 06:48:39 AM »

Amazing that you captured a great social experiment playing out where those guys are accidentally providing why a shop would use those signs.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 02:59:57 PM »

FTR - not my stats. But I have no reason to dispute them. But fair point about the result of actual disputes being less skewed when you consider there will be a number of tenants who simply disappeared and would not show up at all, much less hire an attorney.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 10:06:49 AM »

Well you’re using a different meaning of “legal” than me because evicting a rightful tenant subjects the landlord to damages, 3x rent, attorneys fees, and perjury charges.

https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/621/billtext/er/pdf

The ACLU reports that 81% of landlords are represented in eviction court proceedings, compared to 3% of renters. Studies show that “between 51 percent and 75 percent of tenants without legal representation lost their case in court.”

Did you miss my point about how the new law includes a fee shifting provision when a tenant is removed from the property? Attorneys would be happy to take that case with no cash up front. Not so much if a tenant is in a bona fide legal dispute with a landlord.

If you think landlords have a massive advantage in traditional eviction proceedings (which I don’t disagree with), you would think they would much prefer that route over utilizing the anti-squatting law, which is exactly the policy you’ve been advocating for ITT.

I don't think you're being very realistic with how often wrongfully evicted tenants will take advantage of those provisions and win. go read the book "Evicted" if you want to learn more about why I think this is so bad, I'm really done this time.

Yeah I think we're at an impasse cause we're supposed to be talking about whether a new law is good or bad and I'm the only person actually looking at the language of it.

Your beef is that landlord/tenant laws need to be overhauled, but when a new law comes along that only can be utilized by a landlord signing a document under penalty of perjury and makes them liable for 3x rent plus attorneys fees for wrongfully using it, you dismiss it as another attempt to screw over renters.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 09:07:46 AM »

Well you’re using a different meaning of “legal” than me because evicting a rightful tenant subjects the landlord to damages, 3x rent, attorneys fees, and perjury charges.

https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/621/billtext/er/pdf

The ACLU reports that 81% of landlords are represented in eviction court proceedings, compared to 3% of renters. Studies show that “between 51 percent and 75 percent of tenants without legal representation lost their case in court.”

Did you miss my point about how the new law includes a fee shifting provision when a tenant is removed from the property? Attorneys would be happy to take that case with no cash up front. Not so much if a tenant is in a bona fide legal dispute with a landlord.

If you think landlords have a massive advantage in traditional eviction proceedings (which I don’t disagree with), you would think they would much prefer that route over utilizing the anti-squatting law, which is exactly the policy you’ve been advocating for ITT.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 07:58:26 AM »

Well you’re using a different meaning of “legal” than me because evicting a rightful tenant subjects the landlord to damages, 3x rent, attorneys fees, and perjury charges.

https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/621/billtext/er/pdf

Who is more likely to retain a lawyer, tenants or landlords?

There are tons of examples of people just deciding it isn't worth it to pursue their legal recourse, if they even know that they have a legal case and it is usually poor people.

I'm comfortable with the current tail risk of criminal trespass against tenants having more precarity to the whims of their landlords.

The law provides you cannot evict someone with a valid lease, it awards attorneys fees for wrongful conviction, and it says wrongful eviction cases should be quickly pushed through by the courts.

If the situation is as dire as Mich makes it out to be, lawyers are going to descend on Florida tenants like locusts begging for their business. That’s about as easy money as you can make.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 07:23:31 AM »

Well you’re using a different meaning of “legal” than me because evicting a rightful tenant subjects the landlord to damages, 3x rent, attorneys fees, and perjury charges.

https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/621/billtext/er/pdf

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 07:06:54 AM »

I think you recognize many of the ways this can be abused, you just agree with them.

Agree with what?

You started this conversation by criticizing conservatives for pointing to random squatter incidents to create some kind of boogeyman but your problem with the proposal is based on the fact you simply distrust cops and landlords to follow the law based on the (horrible) incidents you’ve read about them in your circles.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 04, 2024, 12:04:34 AM »

Ok but what does abuse look like in this scenario?

Landlord says tenant is squatting. Tenant says “actually I have a lease, and I’ve paid my rent.” Cop says “meh, landlord said you shouldn’t be here, take it up with the court” and escorts tenant off premises.

What does the landlord do next? Change the locks? What stops the tenant from coming back to his residence in 15 minutes? It’s not illegal for him to be there, even if the cop kicked him off. Is the cop going to physically force the tenant to hand over all his house keys? And the landlord locks the door behind him?

And if you think a landlord would call the cops just to get someone removed so they could illegally evict (by changing the locks or moving someone else in or whatever) the new law only makes that fractionally easier. They could also simply wait until the tenant goes to work in the morning to do the same thing.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump 2024

« on: April 03, 2024, 09:10:50 PM »

Calm Dax demands submission SD!

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 03, 2024, 09:08:47 PM »

It’s a fair criticism. I’m torn as to whether policy should be informed by assuming law enforcement sucks at their job

judging guilt or innocence (or validity of residence) is not their job! (but I guarantee they would suck at it if it was part of their job)

Sure but the problem is that without some sort of prejudging by a police officer, the only distinction between trespass and a “residence” dispute is the offender saying he has a right to be there. I don’t really favor that being the line between police having a duty to enforce the law and all of the sudden lacking jurisdiction to act entirely.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 03, 2024, 07:40:16 PM »

It’s a fair criticism. I’m torn as to whether policy should be informed by assuming law enforcement sucks at their job, but I agree that any law involving the removal of someone who CLAIMS to have a legal right to be on a property should only be enforced by someone with clear and specific training in that area.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 03, 2024, 03:55:21 PM »

I had a long post typed up that referenced South Africa's white farmers building arsenals and fortresses to protect their land being taken as part of the land re-distribution plan that allotted 30% of white land to be put in to black hands (about 10% happened through government purchases on behalf of black farmers and another 15% through black people just buying the land at market rates from whites, so this was never a real seizure despite everyone that knows what the Rhodesian flag looks like looping a video of the ANC chanting "kill the Boer").

All that being said, there is a through line that applies to how land was first declared "property" and given the full backing of the state in these United States of America.

That the punishment for trespassing should be extrajudicial vigilante execution is a pretty great example of the property rights brainworms at the very core of the US. Worth considering that the gun is quick to come out to "protect" the property when that was also the means used to procure it originally.

I'm not ashamed to say that I have no idea what you're getting at here.

see my follow up, might be more confusing or clear up my thoughts. I report, you decide.

I only took the very last sentence to be germane to the last couple pages ITT:

To the extent that sys and others are arguing that property rights are a foundational precursor to society and without them there would be uncontrolled vigilante justice by the strong against the weak--It is worth remembering that they are the ones that reject the state exercising due process on behalf of both parties and want to get straight to shooting.

I think that's deliberately mischaracterizing what most folks are getting at in order to fit the philosophical points you wanted to make. "Due process" means  a right to have your day in court, it does not mean you are entitled to maintain the status quo until that day comes. The question is who should bear the burden unless and until that day comes.

The assumption I've been operating under (because no one ITT has said otherwise) is that: (1) in most places, the law says the property owner bears the burden of allowing alleged squatters to remain rent free until a court orders otherwise, and (2) anti-squatting laws would shift it so that an owner/landlord has the option to initially prove that they own the property and the other person is not entitled to be there, in which case they are not required to accommodate the person until a court decides the issue.

That system does not strike me as unfair, regardless of how you feel about whether anyone has a true "right" to own property.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Thread for when someone on the other side does something good

« on: April 03, 2024, 10:35:32 AM »

I had a long post typed up that referenced South Africa's white farmers building arsenals and fortresses to protect their land being taken as part of the land re-distribution plan that allotted 30% of white land to be put in to black hands (about 10% happened through government purchases on behalf of black farmers and another 15% through black people just buying the land at market rates from whites, so this was never a real seizure despite everyone that knows what the Rhodesian flag looks like looping a video of the ANC chanting "kill the Boer").

All that being said, there is a through line that applies to how land was first declared "property" and given the full backing of the state in these United States of America.

That the punishment for trespassing should be extrajudicial vigilante execution is a pretty great example of the property rights brainworms at the very core of the US. Worth considering that the gun is quick to come out to "protect" the property when that was also the means used to procure it originally.

I'm not ashamed to say that I have no idea what you're getting at here.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: PORTAL KOMBAT

« on: April 03, 2024, 09:30:03 AM »

Who rehabs athletes with heart problems better than KSU?

They've been calling us 5-heart U for years.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP

« on: April 02, 2024, 03:51:00 PM »

Also he will do something to manipulate the share price before selling and will land himself in yet another years long lawsuit.

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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: 2024 NCAA Tournament Thread

« on: April 02, 2024, 03:46:08 PM »

I lol’ed on the inside.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process

« on: April 02, 2024, 11:47:49 AM »

This is bad!

https://twitter.com/WCKitchen/status/1775027258249359451

Just a few days ago Israel was being criticized for bottle necking food trucks at the border. It sure seems like they're being intentionally hostile to aid groups.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Pet Peeves

« on: April 02, 2024, 06:59:42 AM »

Our small dog is getting pretty old and doesn’t tolerate cold as much. He seems to really appreciate having a sweater on during cold days.