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Welp

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Just lol-ing to myself that there was a headline in April acting like some corruption/incompetence allegation might be the end of Pruitt.

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What's the general concept behind requiring that somebody come from an asylum situation in order to be allowed to come/stay?

The primary reason is because we have determined we cannot send them BACK into an asylum situation and it is easier (and let's be honest, economically beneficial) to let them stay here instead of trying to find another country that will take them.  I think the secondary reason is that the grounds for asylum tend to be rooted in American ideals.  To be granted asylum you have to have been persecuted by a government (or major group that the government is unable or unwilling to control) based on things like your religion or political opinion.  That's a little more targeted than an refugee who might be fleeing any kind of crappy condition that isn't rooted in discrimination.

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I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.

Thanks. Now I'm in a Facebook argument with someone about whether or not you can seek asylum from outside the U.S.

From my understanding, the main distinction with asylum is it is based on the idea that if you make it on US soil, you get to stay if you satisfy the criteria (i.e., no quotas or discretion from the executive or legislature, it’s really just a judicial determination). There is a milder version called withholding of removal (I think part of the Convention Against Torture), which says even if you are otherwise in the US illegally they can’t deport you back to your country if you’re probably gonna die (high level paraphrasing here).

So if you’re really fearful for your life and family in your current country, your best bet is to just make it across the US border. Of course the catch is that asylum laws are complicated and damn near impossible to successfully navigate if you’re not an attorney or are not assisted by one of the organizations who provide help in this area.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: non pos 'pubs
« on: June 21, 2018, 04:05:01 PM »
Stats are still highly susceptible to manipulation. But yes, people would do better to understand how some samples are better than others.

I personally have found algebra pretty useful fwiw.

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I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: June 21, 2018, 03:47:47 PM »
The idea that the executive has unlimited discretion to enforce (or refuse to enforce) the law is one of the worst legacies left from the b.o. admin. They completely redefined "prosecutorial discretion" to a level far exceeding the authority of the executive.

Remember, b.o.'s foot soldiers were legit floating indefinite detention without charge powers . . . to be used on American Citizens.

Indefinite detention in the US is unconstitutional even if you are an immigrant so idk what you’re talking about.

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There's a difference between alternative proposals that have real merit, as opposed to just fighting everything brought to the table.   This is not hard. 

Sadly we had 8 wasted years, and thousands of detained and lost kids with no real concerns expressed by LibBot nation.

Dax, you've been doing a good job of regurgitating the Trump talking points, but pro-tip: these two are never supposed to go side by side.  The hypocrisy is way too obvious.

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All the evidence points to open borders being a great economic boon, so I expect sys is in favor.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP
« on: June 20, 2018, 10:15:45 PM »
Ah, the age-old conundrum:

Quote from: Proverbs 26:4-5
Answer not a fool according to his folly,
    lest you be like him yourself.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
    lest he be wise in his own eyes.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: the trump swamp
« on: June 20, 2018, 10:05:27 PM »
Just imagine if we had ONE person who was good with money running this country.

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The difference is that people were pissed about Obama's immigration policy and now they're REALLY pissed about Trump's.  Why is it that hard to understand?

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Like I said, powerless.  None of the officials imprisoning an American family and separating the parents from their children could do anything about it if the law seems to maybe say so.

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Big day for LibBots.  (once again)  Now only real American Citizens if detained can be removed from their families.


Since it's illegal even for American Citizens to enter the United States via a non designated port of entry.   What happens when a U.S. Citizen family (with accompanying minors) is caught illegally entering the United States?   (I believe that technically if they are with accompanying minors they may be classified as human smugglers under U.S. law).


One thing is for certain: if that does happen, our president will be powerless to do anything but enforce the law to the maximum extent possible.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The DACA masterpiece
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:56:55 AM »
Sheesh, cross-post POS Republicans thread.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The DACA masterpiece
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:53:43 AM »
Link? That sounds crazy and maybe not legal.

link to what?  there is a link to the nyt story in the tweet.

Didn’t see it on my phone.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The DACA masterpiece
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:44:43 AM »
Link? That sounds crazy and maybe not legal.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:43:17 AM »
Comments to that are pretty lol

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / non pos 'pubs
« on: June 20, 2018, 11:29:14 AM »
Trump’s current approval rating is its highest ever around 40%. If the pub leaning posters here believe how much Trump is hated by Dems, what do you suppose his approval among Republicans would have to be in order to reach that number?

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She should replace it with a picture of police doing basically the same thing.

Seriously though, would be great PC for a defense attorney if it just didn’t include a freaking rope around the neck.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP
« on: June 20, 2018, 10:04:42 AM »
It was one person, who you legitimately cannot even assume is left leaning. They could be a super pissed off conservative about Trump’s recent tariffs, or a devout Christian appalled at the concentration camps.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: the trump swamp
« on: June 19, 2018, 08:53:23 PM »
Trump was always a pretty good bet for the private prison lobby.

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Wonder how much Comey is going to complain on the Twitter about this.

See John Brennan, another New NeoCon hero.  He'll do Comey's Twitter bidding.

Why though? Comey really hasn’t been shy about speaking out so far. I mean, isn’t that why they would be investigating him in the first place?

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just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:

Pruitt as AG to shut down the Russia probe would just be fantastic. Like I think we’re already on pace for an unforgettable presidency, but that would push Trump past Nixon and Harding by a wide margin.

If Trump’s presidency were over tomorrow it would be pretty forgettable tbh.

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