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Title: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2017, 08:39:38 AM
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FWIW, the Cats are currently #2 in efficiency defense (PPP), #3 in eFG% defense, #2 in TO% forced, #6 in 2PT% defense, & #2 in steal%.

Of course, they have also played the #334 SOS so far this season.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Joker on November 21, 2017, 08:52:36 AM
FWIW, the Cats are currently #2 in efficiency defense (PPP), #3 in eFG% defense, #2 in TO% forced, #6 in 2PT% defense, & #2 in steal%.

Of course, they have also played the #334 SOS so far this season.


It's hard not to love the defensive numbers so far.  They give me hope.  At the same time, I hate playing this level of garbage competition because then it feels like false hope.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2017, 09:07:24 AM
FWIW, the Cats are currently #2 in efficiency defense (PPP), #3 in eFG% defense, #2 in TO% forced, #6 in 2PT% defense, & #2 in steal%.

Of course, they have also played the #334 SOS so far this season.


It's hard not to love the defensive numbers so far.  They give me hope.  At the same time, I hate playing this level of garbage competition because then it feels like false hope.

Thursday and Friday will be good then. Top 75 Arizona State, then (hopefully) top 20 Xavier.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Joker on November 21, 2017, 09:15:54 AM
FWIW, the Cats are currently #2 in efficiency defense (PPP), #3 in eFG% defense, #2 in TO% forced, #6 in 2PT% defense, & #2 in steal%.

Of course, they have also played the #334 SOS so far this season.


It's hard not to love the defensive numbers so far.  They give me hope.  At the same time, I hate playing this level of garbage competition because then it feels like false hope.

Thursday and Friday will be good then. Top 75 Arizona State, then (hopefully) top 20 Xavier.

Absolutely.  How do we matchup against ASU?  I haven't seen them play but they're averaging like 95 ppg so I would think it should be a good litmus test for our defense.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2017, 09:32:25 AM
FWIW, the Cats are currently #2 in efficiency defense (PPP), #3 in eFG% defense, #2 in TO% forced, #6 in 2PT% defense, & #2 in steal%.

Of course, they have also played the #334 SOS so far this season.


It's hard not to love the defensive numbers so far.  They give me hope.  At the same time, I hate playing this level of garbage competition because then it feels like false hope.

Thursday and Friday will be good then. Top 75 Arizona State, then (hopefully) top 20 Xavier.

Absolutely.  How do we matchup against ASU?  I haven't seen them play but they're averaging like 95 ppg so I would think it should be a good litmus test for our defense.

Yeah, here are some of the more intersting numbers.

ASU ---- KSU
#41 pace (74.5 possessions) vs #263 pace (70.5 possessions)
#42 Off vs #17 Def (kenpom adjusted efficiency)
#10 eFG% Off vs #3 Def
#29 TO% Off vs #2 Def
#9 2PT% Off vs #6 Def
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on December 08, 2017, 08:52:58 AM
I really like the core four. I like Diarra and Wainright. I hope someone from the group of bigs can become an established guy, but I have a feeling it may remain a committee approach throughout the season.

(https://image.ibb.co/dD3WPb/Individual_Season_Stats.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/bYWJ4b/Season_ADV_Stats.png)
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 08, 2017, 10:30:50 AM
I miss DJamer.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: renocat on December 08, 2017, 10:52:03 AM
I get KState email articles. They have some good stuff.  The Upstate Carolina team is not good, but apparently we kept them 17% below their season point average.  With ASU we showed we can compete in a high scoring game.  I would like to know how our Committee of Big 4 compare in performance when we play against quality big men.  Tulsa supposedly has some good bigs.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Joker on December 08, 2017, 11:47:42 AM
How badly will the Texas bigs destroy us?
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: renocat on December 08, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
How badly will the Texas bigs destroy us?
Agreed
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: cfbandyman on December 08, 2017, 12:28:58 PM
I do hope Sallah and Mawien can improve as quick as they can, they need to be serviceable.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: cat97 on December 08, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
How badly will the Texas bigs destroy us?
Who knows.  Last year we beat them twice and they had a freshman big (Jarrett Alan) who was selected first round.  At Texas last year, DJamer and Claws combined had 3 rebounds and 13 points.  Maurice had 2 rebounds and 0 points in four minutes of play.  We still beat them.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Skipper44 on December 08, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Bamba is significantly better than Allen - he is longer, stronger and more athletic.  Texas also has a Tulane transfer big that is putting up 14 and 8.  I don't think we match up well at all but maybe we hit a ton of threes or something.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: cat97 on December 08, 2017, 03:58:15 PM
Bamba is significantly better than Allen - he is longer, stronger and more athletic.  Texas also has a Tulane transfer big that is putting up 14 and 8.  I don't think we match up well at all but maybe we hit a ton of threes or something.
Bamba is getting more blocks but Allen averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds a game in Big 12 play last year.  Bamba is 11 points and 10 rebounds a game in the non con.  I have not watched Bamba so believe you when you say he is better.  Still we got nothing our of our bigs last year at Texas so the Tx bigs will not be the sole deciders of whether they win against us.  As you said, maybe we'll hit some threes.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2018, 09:21:14 AM
Here is the Big 12 through 2 games.

The league seems to be adopting football tendencies as a league that plays a lot of offense and very little defense.

(https://image.ibb.co/d44bsG/Big_12_Advanced_League.png)

Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2018, 09:53:46 AM
I haven't watched tech play but their stats kind of point to being bo Ryan whisky 
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2018, 10:52:08 AM
I haven't watched tech play but their stats kind of point to being bo Ryan whisky 

I'd say there is definitely a Bobby Knight influence in Beard's coaching style. He was at Tech under both Knights from 2001-2011.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 04, 2018, 11:18:50 AM
It's going to be a bloodbath
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
Everyone will have at least one loss by the end of the day next Saturday.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
Individual stats for every Big 12 team. (Big 12 games only)

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(https://image.ibb.co/bxz7hG/OKLAHOMA.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/bUOYNG/TEXAS_TECH.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/gry02G/TCU.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/dxML2G/KANSAS.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/kB0r9w/KANSAS_STATE.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/ksYNGb/TEXAS.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/ffzjUw/OKLAHOMA_STATE.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/bPzUwb/BAYLOR.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/mQ4Jpw/IOWA_STATE.png)



Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: pissclams on January 04, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
zhaire smith :love:
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: michigancat on January 04, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
Wade is a good player
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2018, 04:15:38 PM
Teddy Allen's per 100 possession stats  :surprised: I pride myself on watching a lot of basketball, I gotta be honest, I had no damn idea who he was before Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2018, 04:28:40 PM
Teddy Allen's per 100 possession stats  :surprised: I pride myself on watching a lot of basketball, I gotta be honest, I had no damn idea who he was before Monday afternoon.

That is Big 12 only. Still, after the OOC he was 2nd in the league in points per 100 at 36. He only played 30% minutes though.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
Big 12 through 3 games.

(https://preview.ibb.co/hAtRWb/Big_12_Advanced_League.png)
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 17, 2018, 07:01:56 AM
Big 12 only individuals through 6 games.

(https://image.ibb.co/fWGYbm/KANSAS_STATE.png)
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on January 17, 2018, 09:55:27 AM
Improvement and the core four.

(https://image.ibb.co/fh6Be6/Individual_Improvement_Stats.png)
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 17, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
Most of our offensive production will come from 4 guys, 5 when Kam is back. It would be great if we more productive minutes from Wainright & Patrick.

Those 2 are just 4-17 FG (32% eFG) 0-2 FTs in B12 games. Wainwright does Rebound, but he doesn't seem to do anything else. His Defense hasn't been good for several games IMO. Patrick isn't good on D either, but that's nothing new. He also has just 3 Reb in 53 Minutes in B12 play.

Last 3 games, when Wainright, Patrick, McGurl have taken a FG or FTs...we have scored just 10 points in those 15 Possessions. 2 Patrick 3s, McGurl layup, and a 2nd chance FG off of a Patrick miss.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 23, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
Cats vs the 11 Power-6 teams this year are shooting 58.5 eFG%.

For the entire season, only 8 of 351 teams are better than 58.5%
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 22, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
Hey FAN,

If you have time and feel up to doing it.  I was curious of Home/ Away splits of advanced Team Stats for our Cats in Big 12 games
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on February 22, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
Hey FAN,

If you have time and feel up to doing it.  I was curious of Home/ Away splits of advanced Team Stats for our Cats in Big 12 games

(https://image.ibb.co/mMY8hc/Big_12_Home.png)

(https://image.ibb.co/hO7ZNc/Big_12_Road.png)
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 22, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
Thanks FAN    :)

The 1 glaring thing that pops out to me was our 1st half shooting at home (43.2) and 1st half on road (59.7)

Our D has been solid at home. Last 6 games, it's been fantastic as a whole
TO% difference very similar, home/away
Not a surprise the FTR difference is worse on Road.
OR% difference dreadful on the road
1.02 PPP at home with this offense. That saddens me.
Title: Re: 17-18 Advanced Team and Individual Stats Thread
Post by: 8manpick on February 22, 2018, 03:58:00 PM
Thanks FAN    :)

The 1 glaring thing that pops out to me was our 1st half shooting at home (43.2) and 1st half on road (59.7)

Our D has been solid at home. Last 6 games, it's been fantastic as a whole
TO% difference very similar, home/away
Not a surprise the FTR difference is worse on Road.
OR% difference dreadful on the road
1.02 PPP at home with this offense. That saddens me.

It seems to me that looking at just Big 12 play, further splitting it to H/A gets into some significant issues with sample size.  It tells us what happened, but would not be usefully predictive for future games.