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Re: BSFS Expansion Thread
« Reply #15575 on: February 12, 2015, 03:14:45 PM »
Agree with clams here.  That's why grills are made out of metal, because if they weren't they would burn down all the time and you'd have to buy a new grill.

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« Reply #15576 on: February 12, 2015, 03:17:11 PM »
Fire trucks are made of metal so they don't catch on fire and put out fires in fact.

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« Reply #15577 on: February 12, 2015, 04:02:33 PM »
Fire trucks are made of metal so they don't catch on fire and put out fires in fact.

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« Reply #15578 on: February 12, 2015, 04:17:46 PM »
Fire trucks are made of metal so they don't catch on fire and put out fires in fact.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73Xk4zgDGw

I bet the fire truck survived unscathed.  The dog inside might have got cooked though.  :cry:

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« Reply #15579 on: February 12, 2015, 05:10:00 PM »
You dorks need to remember that whether or not steel beams actually need some kind of heat resistant coating is besides the point.  Its whether or not building codes say they do.

The steel on the WSC was from Minneapolis and they sourced it from the same place for Vanier.  The engineering expansion is from HME out of Topeka, local guys!!!

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« Reply #15580 on: February 12, 2015, 05:34:56 PM »
i just don't understand why all the un-fireproofed beams don't melt when they look around and see all the other steel going up. i mean, i would. so hawt.

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Re: BSFS Expansion Thread
« Reply #15581 on: February 12, 2015, 07:38:33 PM »
you know what else is metal that doesn't catch fire?  that's right, the metal grate thingy in front of your fireplace.
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Re: BSFS Expansion Thread
« Reply #15582 on: February 12, 2015, 08:09:27 PM »
My cast iron skillet is fireproof.

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« Reply #15583 on: February 12, 2015, 08:54:51 PM »
My cast iron skillet is fireproof.

has it talked to furnace recently?

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« Reply #15584 on: February 12, 2015, 09:28:57 PM »
This thread is starting to suck.

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« Reply #15585 on: February 12, 2015, 09:46:51 PM »
I thought it was being built from (fireproof) limestone :sad:
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« Reply #15586 on: February 12, 2015, 09:49:38 PM »
This thread is starting to suck.

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« Reply #15587 on: February 12, 2015, 10:25:00 PM »
ooohhh man, guess what dumbasses, they're going to fireproof the crap out of that steel.
What are you gonna do when that day comes? that's right, you'll sit there and be dumbasses asking why. 
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« Reply #15588 on: February 12, 2015, 10:33:08 PM »
ooohhh man, guess what dumbasses, they're going to fireproof the crap out of that steel.
What are you gonna do when that day comes? that's right, you'll sit there and be dumbasses asking why. 
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« Reply #15589 on: February 12, 2015, 10:48:30 PM »
So, I will throw my hat in this ring.

Fireproofing steel is a redundancy measure to cover your ass. It prevents or reduces the possibility of catastrophic failure. But it does not prevent steel from catching fire. That is stupid.(Steel doesn't catch fire. It can be a solid or a liquid. Any flames coming of molten steel is mostly impurities and/or air.)

Fireproofing protects structural steel from the SIDE EFFECTS of fire. HEAT!

 Steel's tensile strength from a temperature rise of 0-1000deg F. is a 20% linear drop in a pull test.
 
 Steel's tensile strength from a temperature rise of 1000-1450deg F is 70% linear drop in a pull test.

At 1450deg F Steel is glowing reddish/orange and has lost 90% of it tensile strength.

Heat Capacity
Now that being said the fire would have to be big or hot enough to heat steel faster then the steel can redistribute the heat. (A candle has a different heat capacity then a campfire. But both are relatively the same temp).

Try cooking a brisket with a candle(1000F to 1500F) and see if you would ever get a 190F internal temp throughout. Where the same brisket would be done in 1hr per lb. at 300F. from just the smoke from a fire.

So for all you "my grill, frying pan, etc. if fireproof." You're are correct. It will not catch on fire. But those same steel objects have lost a substantial ability to stay formed and/or support.

Would you want to be in the stands when a fire starts in the basement?
The fire alarm goes off. (or doesn't hope you have a redundancy measure in place)
The fire alarm goes off. But no one can hear it over game day noise. (hope you have a redundancy measure in place).
The fire alarm goes off, and we evacuate.

How long would it take to evacuate a stadium of 50,000 people?? What if the fire heats 3 or 4 of those H pile beams to 1450F while supporting 3000 people, 1 Mangino and the structure? Catastrophic failure.

Fireproofing would be overkill for many applications. But, Insurance companies like it and when you cant evacuate a building quickly due to large amount of occupants in building or shape of building(sky scraper). Then it's a no brainier.

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Re: BSFS Expansion Thread
« Reply #15590 on: February 12, 2015, 10:50:18 PM »
Patented black lab BODY BAG

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« Reply #15591 on: February 12, 2015, 10:51:48 PM »
So, I will throw my hat in this ring.

Fireproofing steel is a redundancy measure to cover your ass. It prevents or reduces the possibility of catastrophic failure. But it does not prevent steel from catching fire. That is stupid.(Steel doesn't catch fire. It can be a solid or a liquid. Any flames coming of molten steel is mostly impurities and/or air.)

Fireproofing protects structural steel from the SIDE EFFECTS of fire. HEAT!

 Steel's tensile strength from a temperature rise of 0-1000deg F. is a 20% linear drop in a pull test.
 
 Steel's tensile strength from a temperature rise of 1000-1450deg F is 70% linear drop in a pull test.

At 1450deg F Steel is glowing reddish/orange and has lost 90% of it tensile strength.

Heat Capacity
Now that being said the fire would have to be big or hot enough to heat steel faster then the steel can redistribute the heat. (A candle has a different heat capacity then a campfire. But both are relatively the same temp).

Try cooking a brisket with a candle(1000F to 1500F) and see if you would ever get a 190F internal temp throughout. Where the same brisket would be done in 1hr per lb. at 300F. from just the smoke from a fire.

So for all you "my grill, frying pan, etc. if fireproof." You're are correct. It will not catch on fire. But those same steel objects have lost a substantial ability to stay formed and/or support.

Would you want to be in the stands when a fire starts in the basement?
The fire alarm goes off. (or doesn't hope you have a redundancy measure in place)
The fire alarm goes off. But no one can hear is over game day noise. (hope you have a redundancy measure in place).
The fire alarm goes off, and we evacuate.

How long would it take to evacuate a stadium of 50,000 people?? What if the fire heats 3 or 4 of those H pile beams to 1450F while supporting 3000 people, 1 Mangino and the structure? Catastrophic failure.

Fireproofing would be overkill for many applications. But, Insurance companies like it and when you cant evacuate a building quickly due to large amount of occupants in building or shape of building(sky scraper). Then it's a no brainier.

"Fireproofing is stupid"- Scarecrow

This post may make this a case of "Case Closed!"

Wacky??

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« Reply #15592 on: February 12, 2015, 10:54:16 PM »
Quit talking out your ass, BL lime

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« Reply #15593 on: February 12, 2015, 10:59:17 PM »
here's a pic of a couple dimes being burned with real fire



as you can see they are not catching fire themselves and are holding up fine.  as most people know, dimes, like all american coins, are made out of the same structural steel you see being put up @ vanier.  these dimes are still in the same shape and are holding up fine.  this whole thing smells like a scam by big steel to try to pad building costs with useless "fireproofing" and you can rest assured I will be emailing John Currie and the better business bureau this evening.
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« Reply #15594 on: February 12, 2015, 11:02:26 PM »
I still want a "case closed" or not from Wacky. Then I'll be satisfied.

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« Reply #15595 on: February 12, 2015, 11:02:45 PM »
Can we shut the eff up about fire proofing already? 
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« Reply #15596 on: February 12, 2015, 11:06:48 PM »
Not until black lab stops tiptoeing around the space allegations

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« Reply #15597 on: February 12, 2015, 11:46:15 PM »
Not until black lab stops tiptoeing around the space allegations

And Wacky closes this thread out.

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« Reply #15598 on: February 13, 2015, 12:04:05 AM »
Not until black lab stops tiptoeing around the space allegations

 Space allegations hmmmmmm.

Well, In my humble opinion.
 
Would I use "fireproofing" in a space ship? Sure, but even it has a failure point. It might improve your odds of surviving a MINOR tile incident by maybe 3% when considering friction re-entry. (just the aerodynamic changes when factoring a missing tile, could rip a wing right off from drag created going 17,000 mph)  With these things in mind, I would be spending my time at NASA working on ceramic tiles and contracting/expanding refractory grout. And other surface protection. But thinking about a spacecraft that didn't need to re-enter. I would coat the crap out of the frame with thermal protection to keep the frame from flexing during wildly erratic temperature changes. Because even the tiles would have limited usefulness after seeing a long period of time in space. But that being said they did use thermal protection on some parts of the (aluminum)shuttle frame. (wings, tail fin edges, door and bay-doors)

But fireproofing is a term to protect something from fire and the side effects of fire. Not re-entering an atmosphere or flying near a star. So no, on fireproofing a spacecraft frame. But yes, to thermal protection from friction and wild temperature swings.
 
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« Reply #15599 on: February 13, 2015, 01:21:07 AM »