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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #175 on: January 14, 2018, 10:21:13 PM »
The thinking is that a pick and pop three by Dean is higher percentage that drive and get fouled.

I have no problem with the play

It wasn't executed

That's on oscar


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It may be, but two chances is better than one and a quick drive when the opposing team is playing soft so they don’t foul has proven a very good late game play.

That shot by Dean could still be taken with 8-10 seconds left if we end up down 3.




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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #176 on: January 14, 2018, 10:52:55 PM »
dunno if luked, but a friend posted the diagram of oscar's final play


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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #177 on: January 14, 2018, 11:02:17 PM »
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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #178 on: January 15, 2018, 04:05:41 PM »
This discussion has missed the point. Why were we hoping for a last second shot. The smart decision here was to get ourselves two chances at this. oscar should have told Barry to sprint down the court and drive as quickly as possible. Either get a bucket or get fouled. They’re not going to defend it hard because they don’t want to foul. WORST case scenario, we miss and don’t get fouled, and KU makes two free throws and are up 3.

Going for a last second prayer of a three is way dumber than attacking the basket.


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1. Yes, Barry walking up the court was a mistake.
That said, if Barry goes to the rim quickly, misses and we foul, there very likely wasn't gonna be enough time to a Pick-N-pop play for Dean on next possession.

2. Driving, getting a bucket or drawing a foul isn't as simple as some people make it out to believe in this situation. Vick was standing in the lane waiting for a drive.  Azubuike is likely trailing Barry if Barry goes hard to the rim off of a pick.

Remember, earlier in the game, Barry in transition went to the rim, went right at a Ku defender, and Azubuike who was trailing Barry, blocked his shot on a layup attempt.

Vick was standing in the lane from the get go. In theory, he was guarding Patrick. But even before Patrick went to the opposite baseline, he was 20+ feet off Patrick.
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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #179 on: January 15, 2018, 04:11:52 PM »
pretty much anything is better than what we got.  what that play was supposed to achieve in oscar’s brain, absolutely doesn’t matter


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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #180 on: January 15, 2018, 04:54:31 PM »
Good discussion with Sunvold on 810 a bit ago.  Push the ball up and run your offense, send some cutters, make the defense move, do anything but stand at the top of the key and dribble the ball while everyone watches you....unless you are Trae Young.  Take a shot no later than 4 seconds but more importantly if you happen to get a good shot at 7 seconds, take it. Bill Self said he would want to always shoot the ball with no less than 4 seconds. NEVER try to take a shot at the buzzer. 

I'd like to say Sunny is a basketball genius but honestly this is exactly what i was taught in high school.  HIGH SCHOOL.

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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #181 on: January 15, 2018, 06:35:38 PM »
I think the shot was supposed to happen much sooner. No doubt it was completely botched.

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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #182 on: January 15, 2018, 07:50:53 PM »
I think the shot was supposed to happen much sooner. No doubt it was completely botched.

The shot couldn't have happened too much sooner as Barry didn't get across half court until there were only 8 seconds left...about the time we should have been half way thru our set and looking for a good shot.

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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #183 on: January 15, 2018, 08:11:35 PM »
Yes. By that I mean he should have got the ball up the floor quicker.

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Re: is saturday winnable?
« Reply #184 on: January 16, 2018, 07:56:51 PM »
I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling.  It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.

It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.

Mark Fox just drew up one of the best set plays I've ever seen in a late game situation and his players executed it flawlessly. Whatever Will Wade drew up it resulted in his point guard taking a 40 ft. runner with 3 seconds left, it was as bad as anything I've seen.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU addition)
« Reply #185 on: February 01, 2018, 12:13:23 PM »
I think we are better but they'll probably shoot lights out.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #186 on: February 01, 2018, 12:18:07 PM »
They are going to destroy us

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU addition)
« Reply #187 on: February 01, 2018, 12:36:09 PM »
I think we are better but they'll probably shoot lights out.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2018, 08:01:03 PM »
They are going to destroy us

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #189 on: February 01, 2018, 08:45:00 PM »
negative

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #190 on: February 01, 2018, 08:52:43 PM »
A BIG FAT BEAUTIFUL WIN FOR CATS AGAINST WVU!!!
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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #191 on: February 01, 2018, 09:06:48 PM »
I see a win for the good guys.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #192 on: February 02, 2018, 07:30:50 AM »
Winnable, yes. It will be tough though.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #193 on: February 02, 2018, 09:47:08 AM »
If we can at least find a middle ground in our shooting for an entire game I think we hang a W on em.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #194 on: February 02, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
Will coal aggie be allowed to play their "physical" game?  Don't think we're as tough as when Frank was here, and if refs allow WVU to play their game, we are toast.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2018, 11:17:33 AM »
A BIG FAT BEAUTIFUL WIN FOR CATS AGAINST WVU!!!
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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2018, 12:22:26 PM »
I really thought WVU would contend for the league after they beat us in Manhattan. Yeah, they guarded, but I also thought they had guys hit tough shots all game long too. Now they look vulnerable, but who knows what to expect after their debacle in Ames.



In Big 12 play their scoring and efficiency have been pretty pedestrian. We could go there and win and we should have better offensive numbers, but who knows. I just don't expect us to have 3 sub 1.0 ppp games in a row, but if WVU comes out really defending at their place it will be tough.

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #197 on: February 02, 2018, 01:12:51 PM »
Nope

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Re: is saturday winnable? (WVU edition)
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2018, 01:37:44 PM »
Don't think we're as tough as when Frank was here

Hell of an understatement

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