Author Topic: Jay Heidrick, total boss, stud, rule follower, oscar Weber supporter. (Read 4893 times)

wabash909 · « **on:** April 18, 2015, 01:08:23 AM »

Guys, I gotta tell ya, after reading "the letter" and Jay's player blame tuck manifesto here I think our boy oscar may just be in for the LONG haul.

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Can we look past the pot smoking and look at the bigger issue...   Reply

Ok, we can go back and forth about smoking pot, should it be tested, etc. But here's the bigger issue for me that I see.

Every team has rules and expectations. You are expected to go to class. You are expected to hit workouts. You are expected to be in the gym, on the field, etc. Like it or not, there is a rule against smoking pot. It's there. Everyone knows about it.

So, to me, for someone who repeatedly flunks a drug test, the concern is not really whether or not they smoke weed. The concern to me is that they have been caught and repeatedly refuse to meet expectations of the program and school. What if a player just decides he's not going to go to practice. Just decides not to show up. He gets suspended. And then he does it again and he gets booted. Would people be screaming about how stupid it is to kick a kid off the team for not meeting team expectations?

You know the rules about pot when you sign up. There are about 100 ways to skirt those rules and not get caught. And you are generally given a free pass for the first time you break them. But once you get caught, in my humble opinion, if you continue to choose to defy the rules, it's not so much about you smoking weed as much as it is your unwillingness to give a crap about how the consequences affect the rest of us. You don't have to like the rules, but they are rules. And if you don't give a crap about the consequences, and how those consequences will affect your team, then I don't want you on my team. If you are willing to get suspended and hurt our team because you don't want to go to class; or you don't want to hit workouts; or because you like to smoke pot, then you probably don't give a crap about what the rest of us are trying to accomplish. And I'm OK with you being shown the door.

So, in the end, it's not about smoking pot to me. It's about being unwilling to recognize that there is something bigger then yourself at stake.

/end rant
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Re: Can we look past the pot smoking and look at the bigger issue...   Reply
Correct. Again.
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Re: Can we look past the pot smoking and look at the bigger issue...   Reply

Well done
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Bingo!
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+1000000000000

That sounds exactly like the message that the MBB program is trying to send...
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Boom goes the dynamite!
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Too bad GPC hasn't changed to the facebook style forums of tMB yet, or you'd have some "likes" from this one.

Same basic post was made a couple times in the Malek thread, but got lost in the shuffle of rage.
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Ding, ding, ding!! We have a winner!!!
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spot on
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Right ON !!!!, Southpaw.. Well written and you covered the based of what is expected. If one can't follow some basic guidelines, you're out !!! Nothing wrong with following rules. Go, Cats !!!
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ELL3 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2015, 01:22:39 AM »

Jay is a baller, 8 more career points than I do

michigancat · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2015, 02:35:18 AM »

The replies are worse

wabash909 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2015, 06:27:12 AM »

We honestly may have a dumber fan base than I could have ever imagined.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2015, 07:56:32 AM »

It begs the question - who exactly is Jay Heidrick? I hear him on 810 talking cat hoops, but I've never heard of him. Did he play at kstate or something?

mocat · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2015, 07:58:15 AM »

Right ON !!!!, Southpaw..

mocat · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:00:09 AM »

I don't know what drugs I would have to be on to type that combination of letters and characters, but I'm sure I would get kicked off the bball team for using them

Kat Kid · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:08:19 AM »

I have pretty good seats at games, better than Jay. My seat during Jay's time at K-State was equally good. So other than the 10s of garbage minutes Jay played during his time at Kansas State, we've had the same view of K-State basketball. So let's just remember that the cloak of expertise, which is what is repeatedly used by people in power to dismiss criticism, might as well be a fishnet bodysuit.

Jay, the fishnet is not a good look. Me and everyone else that cares to look can see all the important parts.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:24:26 AM »

Speaking of expectations, Jay should weigh in on the expectation of winning games. I'm sure he has a lot of insight in this area.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:37:35 AM »

So gpc told us Malek was leaving (no) but wouldn't reveal the reason but now has convicted Malek of drug use? How do they know he was dismissed for a positive test? A hell of a lot of trashing players going on without any evidence

slobber · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:38:05 AM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on April 18, 2015, 08:08:19 AM

I have pretty good seats at games, better than Jay. My seat during Jay's time at K-State was equally good. So other than the 10s of garbage minutes Jay played during his time at Kansas State, we've had the same view of K-State basketball. So let's just remember that the cloak of expertise, which is what is repeatedly used by people in power to dismiss criticism, might as well be a fishnet bodysuit.

Jay, the fishnet is not a good look. Me and everyone else that cares to look can see all the important parts.

I like Kat Kid.

Gonna win 'em all!

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:51:50 AM »

Kstate men's basketball is like Scientology. Run by a weird awkward dope, totally dysfunctional and if you try to leave they trash the hell out of you.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2015, 08:57:02 AM »

In this part of the world when former players discuss the state of the area(s) basketball programs it's almost always guys who were at minimum very good players who played a lot of minutes, and most of the time it's stars who in many cases went on to pro careers, if not prolific pro careers.

At K-State, the so called "voice of reason" aka Chief oscar Weber apologist is a former walk-on from over a decade ago who scored less than 10 points his entire college career.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:00:31 AM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2015, 08:57:02 AM

In this part of the world when former players discuss the state of the area(s) basketball programs it's almost always guys who were at minimum very good players who played a lot of minutes, and most of the time it's stars who in many cases went on to pro careers, if not prolific pro careers.

At K-State, the so called "voice of reason" aka Chief oscar Weber apologist is a former walk-on from over a decade ago who scored less than 10 points his entire college career.

It's just crazy, is this even real life?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:22:09 AM »

Jay was in those locker rooms during back to back NIT seasons. He battled with Manny Dies, Shawn Rhodes, and Paco May under the tutelage of Coach Asbury. Let's be a little lighter on the finger here Cat fans.

CNS · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:28:29 AM »

Vulture is going to BITB the face off of BITB in a dozen yrs or so.

CNS · « **Reply #16 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:29:14 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 18, 2015, 09:22:09 AM

Jay was in those locker rooms during back to back NIT seasons. He battled with Manny Dies, Shawn Rhodes, and Paco May under the tutelage of Coach Asbury. Let's be a little lighter on the finger here Cat fans.

This makes total sense. Never heard of Jay before he started shilling.

mocat · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:39:39 AM »

What in the world? Jay Heidrick was a basketball player rumblings...

wabash909 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:41:03 AM »

Can we look past all the pot smoking and look at the bigger issue...

Pretty boss move by Jay. Totally reeled them in with his obvious thread title that holds oscar Weber and his staff directly accountable for leadership of the program and then BOOM he blames the lazy players and completely redeems himself.

wetwillie · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:43:51 AM »

Jays the name,bbsn is the game

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:49:07 AM »

gE is obsessed with gopo.

wabash909 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2015, 09:58:23 AM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on April 18, 2015, 07:56:32 AM

It begs the question - who exactly is Jay Heidrick? I hear him on 810 talking cat hoops, but I've never heard of him. Did he play at kstate or something?

Polsinelli is basically a pipeline of hot insider hoops info.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2015, 10:28:04 AM »

Quote from: wabash909 on April 18, 2015, 09:58:23 AM

Quote from: Belvis Noland on April 18, 2015, 07:56:32 AM
It begs the question - who exactly is Jay Heidrick? I hear him on 810 talking cat hoops, but I've never heard of him. Did he play at kstate or something?

Polsinelli is basically a pipeline of hot insider hoops info.

Can confirm, especially the Johnson county office

AppleJack · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2015, 10:55:21 AM »

Do they not value Pullen's opinion?

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2015, 11:05:47 AM »

It's important to discuss because this kind of mindset plagues our fanbase.

Yes, let's look past the pot smoking and recognize that we have a coach who has practically run off every guy he has recruited and is solely responsible for bringing in these so called "bad apples".

No one denies that there is culpability on the part of the players but let's look beyond that and ask why our head coach is so disrespected by the guys HE recruited.