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Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« on: April 10, 2018, 09:04:30 AM »
Don't include Dean he would have come to KSU if a possum had recruited him.   I don’t why we keep recruiting big men who are projects.  This frustrates me.  Loyola had a good young freshman big.  We have Love.  I think Weber Inc doesn’t do very good at development of bigs.  Did he have these problems at Illinois?  Maybe runt ball is the new direction for CMBB.


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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 10:25:55 AM »
i blame Kornneck

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 05:17:44 PM »
there aren't many good college players over 6-9

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 08:29:06 PM »
there aren't many good college players over 6-9

NBA good no, but there are plenty of good collegiate bigs out there  :dunno:

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 09:48:11 PM »
there aren't many good college players over 6-9

NBA good no, but there are plenty of good collegiate bigs out there  :dunno:

 Can you name two in the B12 not named Bamba or Azubike? (Well, and Wade)
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 09:51:51 PM »
Jo Lual-Acuil Jr. averaged 14 and 9 this year
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 10:13:05 PM »
Jo Lual-Acuil Jr. averaged 14 and 9 this year
That's one

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 10:18:10 PM »
That trash euro from tcu isn't bad
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 10:18:40 PM »
there aren't many good college players over 6-9

NBA good no, but there are plenty of good collegiate bigs out there  :dunno:

Rusty’s gotten too used to the Silicon Valley pickup league.
Bigs are fading in todays game. It's an athletes sport now that wants to run and gun. I feel like we just recruited a version of jam Sam minus the range and I'm ok with that.

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 10:21:17 PM »
I don't care what height they are. I care about him being able to get good players and put them in positions to succeed. This is an arbitrary qualification, and kind of a dumb one at that considering who has won the ncaa championship two of the last three years. If you have one good big you're fine, we have that guy.
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 10:23:00 PM »
I don't care what height they are. I care about him being able to get good players and put them in positions to succeed. This is an arbitrary qualification, and kind of a dumb one at that considering who has won the ncaa championship two of the last three years. If you have one good big you're fine, we have that guy.
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2018, 10:39:11 PM »
And I would argue you really only need an ok big guy. Not many players can make you pay with size mismatches.

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2018, 11:26:19 PM »
Because he doesn't offer fat stacks of cash in exchange for signed LOIs?

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 08:53:52 AM »
I think a big is more needed for competing with KU h2h which, of course, helps you compete for the B12.  Mawien needs to gain some strength and rebound.  Adding Trice obviously fills a big need, but there is no reason for Mawien to be as bad at rebounding as he is.  He also needs to stay out of foul trouble which I think is on our perimeter defenders as much as it is on him.

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2018, 11:02:28 AM »
hey DJamer was a quality 6-10 big!

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2018, 11:39:44 AM »
DJamer was maybe 6'8

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2018, 11:44:51 AM »
Jo Lual-Acuil Jr. averaged 14 and 9 this year
That's one

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2018, 12:38:51 PM »
The Big 12's best players 6-8 or taller.

KU   Udoka Azubuike   7-0
BU   Jo Acuil   7-0
UT   Mohamed Bamba   6-11
TCU   Vladimir Brodziansky   6-11
OU   Jamuni McNeace   6-10
KSU   Claws   6-10
ISU   Cameron Lard   6-9
OU   Khadeem Lattin   6-9
OSU   Mitchell Solomon   6-9
BU   Tristan Clark   6-9
OU   Brady Manek   6-9
KSU   Makol Mawien   6-9
Tech   Norense Odiase   6-9
WVU   Sagaba Konate   6-8
ISU   Solomon Young   6-8
BU   T.J. Maston   6-8

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2018, 08:50:39 AM »


I don't care what height they are. I care about him being able to get good players and put them in positions to succeed. This is an arbitrary qualification, and kind of a dumb one at that considering who has won the ncaa championship two of the last three years. If you have one good big you're fine, we have that guy.
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It's not arbitrary, offensive, defensive rebounds and having a shot blocker in the lane are ways to win and gain an advantage. Having a big that can be a triple threat on the outside is obviously a luxury and another way to win by taking away rim protection of help defense.

They can absolutely be a huge benefit but are not crucial to success at the college level. I mean does Nova even have a player on the roster taller than 6-8?

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2018, 09:49:03 AM »
6' 9" or 6' 8"is a big, kinda arbitrary  :gocho:. Depends on their size, strength, athleticism.
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2018, 01:32:18 PM »
Oscar & Bigs have always been a puzzler to me.  I guess he did okay with DJamer. 

Oscar inherited (6'7") Big Gip from Frank & I was okay with how he utilized him but the lone year Oscar had JO he didn't seem to utilize him effectively. 

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2018, 02:01:12 PM »
I might be misremebering, but I thought JO really turned out under oscar.
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2018, 11:28:31 PM »


He also needs to stay out of foul trouble...

He seemed to get this in check toward the latter end of the season,

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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2018, 04:21:55 PM »
Can’t hear him up there with that crazy voice.
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Re: Why can't Oscar recruit quality bigs 6-9 or bigger
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2018, 06:36:49 PM »
KSU has never had much luck with bigs.  This is before most of you remember but Steve Mitchel and Norris Coleman are about the only quality bigs at 6ft 9 on up that I can remember.  Hartman got by with 6ft 5 Darryl Winston, and 6ft  9 Carl Gerlach that were good players.  Kruger had 6 ft 7 Bledsoe who was a decent player.  Don't remember any bigs with Altman, Asbury or Woolridge who stood out although Manny Dies came close.  Beasley was six ft 7 but a great player.  Don't really feel he was a big as much as just an overall great talent.

Right now we have bigs on the bench that might develop.  IE Shadd who will play as a freshman this year and is now 6ft 9, 250 lbs with a 74 inch wing span.  With 6ft 10 All Big 12 Claws and Big 12 All tournament team member Makol Mawien, we are as good with bigs right now as we have been in the last 40 years.  Maybe they can add a few more big guys in the next year or so but best enjoy what we have right now.
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