Trump. Replace food stamps with food boxes. Very smart.

[Dugout DickStone]

you can tell which guys have had lots of girlfriends and which have not itt.

[LickNeckey]

This is a weird way to get rid of food deserts.

I'm interested in why this is an idea and the goals it wants to meet? I don't think it's a good or bad idea, I'm more laughing at the "let the lazy Poor's eat what we want then to eat" reactions on here.

It’s not their money so....

With the money you donate to feed hungry people, do you get mad thinking about who they ate it and how?

Either you believe all people are deserving of grace and have inherent value, or you think that by being poor people deserve your contempt. It is obvious to anyone who reads you to know what you believe, so why bother with the pretense?

Either that or that? Those are the two choices?! Believe it or not, it is possible to be both charitable and have certain standards for that charity. I volunteer both time and money to the Kansas Food Bank Food 4 Kids backpack program and I recommend you all do the same. It is a wonderful charity. No child should go hungry, even if their parents have made terrible decisions.

http://www.kansasfoodbank.org/programs/food-4-kids/

Truly is a wonderful program. 

I genuinely thank you for your support of the food bank.

[Dugout DickStone]

just scratched a check to them. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Either you want all poor people to die of diabetes or you support this nutritional food program.
-bizarro kk

[MakeItRain]

@MakeItRain  come get your boy

Ugh, eff that guy

[MakeItRain]

This topic has nothing to do with fraud obviously, as there is way bigger fraud in other government programs and paying the IRS...it's about punishing the "lazy" people and they should just appreciate what they get for free.

How about we meet in the middle and agree it's both?   

Raise your hand if you are an employer?  I'm one.  I keep an ad running full time looking for unskilled labor at $12-14 per hour.  If we get one applicant a month that can pass a drug test and make it to work on time i consider it a successful month.  It's hilarious to listen to politicians or other people with opinions that have never gone thru the process of trying to hire someone.  Please try it before you form an opinion or make an argument.  They want to go on and on about the minimum wage needing to be raised....minimum wage???  I haven't hired someone at minimum wage in the last 20 years.  I can assure you i'm not alone.  Skilled labor employers have it even worse.  Try to find a CNC operator or someone that can run run a machine.  Talk to a banker...their lending lines are maxed out because builders can't get their homes built and sold in a timely manner because they can't find workers.   People that want to work have no difficulty making enough money to stay off the gov't tit.

I'm an employer, and I sure as eff don't ascribe to the bullshit you're peddling in here. You're a selfish prick, that's fine, this is America you can be that but none of us are buying your opinion having anything to do with you being a middle manager in HR. In fact you're most likely the farmer receiving hundreds of thousands in subsidies complaining about poor people on welfare, that's likely exactly what you are.

[Whisker Biscuit]

This topic has nothing to do with fraud obviously, as there is way bigger fraud in other government programs and paying the IRS...it's about punishing the "lazy" people and they should just appreciate what they get for free.

How about we meet in the middle and agree it's both?   

Raise your hand if you are an employer?  I'm one.  I keep an ad running full time looking for unskilled labor at $12-14 per hour.  If we get one applicant a month that can pass a drug test and make it to work on time i consider it a successful month.  It's hilarious to listen to politicians or other people with opinions that have never gone thru the process of trying to hire someone.  Please try it before you form an opinion or make an argument.  They want to go on and on about the minimum wage needing to be raised....minimum wage???  I haven't hired someone at minimum wage in the last 20 years.  I can assure you i'm not alone.  Skilled labor employers have it even worse.  Try to find a CNC operator or someone that can run run a machine.  Talk to a banker...their lending lines are maxed out because builders can't get their homes built and sold in a timely manner because they can't find workers.   People that want to work have no difficulty making enough money to stay off the gov't tit.

I'm an employer, and I sure as eff don't ascribe to the bullshit you're peddling in here. You're a selfish prick, that's fine, this is America you can be that but none of us are buying your opinion having anything to do with you being a middle manager in HR. In fact you're most likely the farmer receiving hundreds of thousands in subsidies complaining about poor people on welfare, that's likely exactly what you are.

Such a well prepared and thoughtful response.  "You're a selfish prick"... brilliant...quite the linguist.   I'm with FSD here, why are you libs so horrible at debating a topic?  Is your position really that bad that all you can do is launch personal attacks?    Your entire post offers nothing to support whatever position you are trying to take....which is what exactly? 

http://debatingforbeginners.blogspot.com/

[Whisker Biscuit]

Here you go libs...i'll start (I"m the best at debating):

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

[Whisker Biscuit]

Here you go libs...i'll start:

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

It's not that easy LB.  You can't train people that won't show up in the first place.  The problem isn't that there are no skilled workers, that problem is that there are no WORKERS.  People are falling out of the workforce because they are more incentivized to NOT work than to work (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/02/95-million-american-workers-not-in-us-labor-force.html)    95 million Americans are not counted as part of the labor force!!  That's nearly a third of ALL Americans.  SNAP participation has increased from 33 mil to 45 mil in the past 7 years! 

[Whisker Biscuit]

Here you go libs...i'll start:

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

It's not that easy LB.  You can't train people that won't show up in the first place.  The problem isn't that there are no skilled workers, that problem is that there are no WORKERS.  People are falling out of the workforce because they are more incentivized to NOT work than to work (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/02/95-million-american-workers-not-in-us-labor-force.html)    95 million Americans are not counted as part of the labor force!!  That's nearly a third of ALL Americans.  SNAP participation has increased from 33 mil to 45 mil in the past 7 years!

LiberalBiscuit:  So, WB, you seem to be saying that people are more incentivized to NOT work than to work?  Maybe if companies raised wages and paid more, that incentive would flip...you would bring people back into the workforce by providing a GREATER incentive to work than not to work.  simple economics (fuckhead, bad person, dickwad...again name calling is optional here).  And further, if you need more workers, why do you repub's/conservatives want to close the border???  That position seems completely antithetical to your contention that we need more workers!  Why spend a bunch of money on a stupid wall to keep potential workers out????

[Institutional Control]

WB has definitely made a strong case for more mental health coverage.

[star seed 7]

Due process tho 

[Whisker Biscuit]

WB has definitely made a strong case for more mental health coverage.

This is what you contributed to this discussion:

"I’m waiting for Whiskey Biscuit to post his tax returns to let us all know how much he pays in taxes"

Take some notes here Matt.

[DQ12]

Listen, WB, we get it.  You think welfare is bullshit and that the standards should only really apply to those who are literally unable to work.  Bad news -- this institution is never going away and I doubt the standards ever get more restrictive than they are today.

Now, in the land of reality, we can either change the system to make it more inefficient to prove a point to hungry people (both lazy AND legitimately disabled) that they can't be trusted to buy their own food.  Or we can keep the system as is, which is more efficient, and understand that some portion of the recipients may be scamming the system. 

As someone who considers myself a conservative, I'm less interested in governments trying to teach lessons, and more interested in governments acting efficiently.

Side note: your "I'm the best at debating" schtick is absolutely insufferable.  Like a smug high school freshman. 

[Whisker Biscuit]

Listen, WB, we get it.  You think welfare is bullshit and that the standards should only really apply to those who are literally unable to work.  Bad news -- this institution is never going away and I doubt the standards ever get more restrictive than they are today.

Now, in the land of reality, we can either change the system to make it more inefficient to prove a point to hungry people (both lazy AND legitimately disabled) that they can't be trusted to buy their own food.  Or we can keep the system as is, which is more efficient, and understand that some portion of the recipients may be scamming the system. 

As someone who considers myself a conservative, I'm less interested in governments trying to teach lessons, and more interested in governments acting efficiently.

Side note: your "I'm the best at debating" schtick is absolutely insufferable.  Like a smug high school freshman.

"Like a smug high school freshman"  It was a good start but ended as expected.  Again with a personal attack. I just don't get it.  Not sure where i said i was the best at debating, i am simply trying to get liberals to make an actual ARGUMENT instead of just typing "you're a prick"  "You're a smug freshman"  "post your tax returns", "you hate women" etc

Your insults really hurt my feelings Dlew.  Now you have to live with that knowledge.   

[DQ12]

"Like a smug high school freshman"  It was a good start but ended as expected.  Again with a personal attack. I just don't get it.  Not sure where i said i was the best at debating, i am simply trying to get liberals to make an actual ARGUMENT instead of just typing "you're a prick"  "You're a smug freshman"  "post your tax returns", "you hate women" etc

Your insults really hurt my feelings Dlew.  Now you have to live with that knowledge.   

It was the part where you had a conversation with yourself to give everyone a proper internet argument exhibition.

[Whisker Biscuit]

Found it Dlew...my bad

Here you go libs...i'll start (I"m the best at debating):

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

[DQ12]

you understand how "shtick" differs from "statement," right?

[Dugout DickStone]

Here you go libs...i'll start (I"m the best at debating):

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

You are trying to hire skilled workers at under $15/HR?  Holy fuk

[Whisker Biscuit]

Here you go libs...i'll start (I"m the best at debating):

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

You are trying to hire skilled workers at under $15/HR?  Holy fuk

Not exactly sure who this is addressed to but...my post of $12-14 is an "always open, always hiring" ad for unskiilled workers. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Here you go libs...i'll start (I"m the best at debating):

LiberalBiscuit:  First off WB, you're way the eff off topic here...this is a debate on how to best feed the poor (idiot/dipshit/fucktard)...name calling here is optional.  But I'll indulge you:  sure there is a shortage of skilled workers i think we can all agree on that.  But it's not the governments responsibility to train your workers.  If corporate America needs skilled workers, why don't they train them?  Since you seem to love capitalism so much, why isn't capitalism taking care of the worker shortage thru training programs?  You can't just sit on the sidelines and bitch, do something about it!

You are trying to hire skilled workers at under $15/HR?  Holy fuk

Not exactly sure who this is addressed to but...my post of $12-14 is an "always open, always hiring" ad for unskiilled workers.

I thought you were bemoaning the lack of skilled labor.  In any event, you will get what you pay for in hiring employees.  Skilled or unskilled.

[star seed 7]

I tried to tell him that 'stone, I don't think this dude understands the labor market

[Dugout DickStone]

I get wanting to pay your employees as little as possible because you put more in your pocket.  But being upset at the welfare program because it won't cut back and effectively drive those desperate people into your waiting arms is weak. 

[Whisker Biscuit]

I get wanting to pay your employees as little as possible because you put more in your pocket.  But being upset at the welfare program because it won't cut back and effectively drive those desperate people into your waiting arms is weak.

OMG.  I give up.   If there was an emoticon with a white flag waving i would post it.  I can't do this.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

There is an emoticon with a white flag, and you did not post it. Big surprise there.