State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools

[Cire]

At least in ks

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If you think the concepts taught in common core are new, you were probably raised by wolves.

[Stellarcat]

Common core is standards, not curriculum.  Districts choose which curriculum they want that will teach the standards. 

The math concepts are not new.  The curricula that we used in both KCK and Ottawa used the same type of constructivist methods to allow kids to develop a better number sense...so much better than the memorization that we used back in the day.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Common core is standards, not curriculum.  Districts choose which curriculum they want that will teach the standards. 

The math concepts are not new.  The curricula that we used in both KCK and Ottawa used the same type of constructivist methods to allow kids to develop a better number sense...so much better than the memorization that we used back in the day.

However the Asian nations are teaching math, that's how we should be teaching it. How do they teach it? These "constructivist" methods seem to make math more confusing - not easier.

[star seed 7]

You're just an idiot

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You're just an idiot

36 on the math portion of ACT and math scholly at KSU. So I'm pretty good at math. 

[michigancat]

Common core is standards, not curriculum.  Districts choose which curriculum they want that will teach the standards. 

The math concepts are not new.  The curricula that we used in both KCK and Ottawa used the same type of constructivist methods to allow kids to develop a better number sense...so much better than the memorization that we used back in the day.

However the Asian nations are teaching math, that's how we should be teaching it. How do they teach it? These "constructivist" methods seem to make math more confusing - not easier.

It feels more natural for Chinese speakers than for English speakers to use the "make-a-ten" addition and subtraction strategy taught to first-graders in many East Asian countries. When adding two numbers, students break down the numbers into parts, or addends, and regroup them into tens and ones. For instance, 9 plus 5 becomes 9 plus 1 plus 4. The make-a-ten method is a powerful tool for mastering more advanced multi-digit addition and subtraction problems , Dr. Fuson says.

Many U.S. teachers have increased instruction in the make-a-ten method, and the Common Core standards adopted by many states call for first-graders to use it to add and subtract.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-best-language-for-math-1410304008

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Common Core math is fantastic. it teaches theory and "why" instead of memorization which helps with more complex math being absorbed much easier later in school. It just looks silly to old people because they were taught on memorization and the problems are introductory

I for one am shocked to see lib come down on this side of blind support.

Nothing reinforces math more than "circle the 1's blue".

I do think the textbooks/worksheets were rushed and poorly edited. I've found typos or incorrect directions which is what the problem you're mentioning was. Luckily I am able to think critically and recognize the difference between a typo and a curriculum

Congrats on being able to do your first graders homework. She must be very proud.

[Stellarcat]

You know, maybe if more parents had a better understanding of math concepts and number sense, they wouldn't freak out when their first graders come home with "common core math".  The freak outs kind of prove the point that rote memorization methods from the past don't really teach mathematical reasoning. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I went to elementary school in the 80's and learned math using all these concepts without having to circle numbers blue, use my crayon as a ruler or complete disjointed and incoherent word problems.

I don't know what they mean by "straight memorization", but that is not something that's been taught in my lifetime.

[CNS]

We def did memorization.

[star seed 7]

Fsd is just too dumb to know it

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Fsd is just too dumb to know it

36 on my ACT! Must have memorized all the answers just like Nintendo b b a b a b b

[star seed 7]

lol

[sonofdaxjones]

  at your 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Hopefully the new common core ACT is harder to ace.

[wetwillie]

Teacher:  How do you intend to solve that math problem?

FSD:  Straight Memorization Homie!

[Stellarcat]

I went to elementary school in the 80's and learned math using all these concepts without having to circle numbers blue, use my crayon as a ruler or complete disjointed and incoherent word problems.

I don't know what they mean by "straight memorization", but that is not something that's been taught in my lifetime.

Unless you are like 12 years old, I am pretty sure you used a lot of memorization in early math classes.  Multiplication tables, algorithms, etc.  You also obviously have a good number sense and were able to apply it to higher level math concepts.  A lot of kids struggle with it.  The way that they teach math now helps to develop that number sense at younger ages so that it can be built upon.

Now seriously, what is this "circle numbers blue" nonsense?  Grade level? 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I went to elementary school in the 80's and learned math using all these concepts without having to circle numbers blue, use my crayon as a ruler or complete disjointed and incoherent word problems.

I don't know what they mean by "straight memorization", but that is not something that's been taught in my lifetime.

Unless you are like 12 years old, I am pretty sure you used a lot of memorization in early math classes.  Multiplication tables, algorithms, etc.  You also obviously have a good number sense and were able to apply it to higher level math concepts.  A lot of kids struggle with it.  The way that they teach math now helps to develop that number sense at younger ages so that it can be built upon.

Now seriously, what is this "circle numbers blue" nonsense?  Grade level?

Yeah I think I did memorization back in the day. It worked for me. Again though, as long as we're copying the asian nations in good with it.

Interestingly, it seems like they now do more memorization of words for reading than we did, including speed reading drills with "lightening words." That makes sense.

[Jabeez]

I know common core would have made me do better in calc 1 in high school, as well as derivatives and equity classes at ksu.  Luckily i used memorization, and aced the later two, but my understanding of why it worked was frustrating. though i was a bad student in jr.high and high school, I'm going to blame the system and not me.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma - I know none of this makes any sense but it was a dream. And I was freaking out because I had enrolled in 4 classes but I had only been going to two of them all year. The two I was skipping were "Advanced Calculus" (whatever that means) and some sort of foreign language. And so my plan was to cram just enough to pass the classes, but the books were in my locker and I couldn't remember my combination or even where my locker was. So then I went to the principal's office to ask whether I could drop those classes and still graduate. That's when the dream ended but I had a pretty bad feeling about what the principal was going to say.

Most of my nightmares are of the "logistical" variety and they are just the worst.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma - I know none of this makes any sense but it was a dream. And I was freaking out because I had enrolled in 4 classes but I had only been going to two of them all year. The two I was skipping were "Advanced Calculus" (whatever that means) and some sort of foreign language. And so my plan was to cram just enough to pass the classes, but the books were in my locker and I couldn't remember my combination or even where my locker was. So then I went to the principal's office to ask whether I could drop those classes and still graduate. That's when the dream ended but I had a pretty bad feeling about what the principal was going to say.

Most of my nightmares are of the "logistical" variety and they are just the worst.

I have weird dreams like that all the time. It's always college, though. That principal was going to drop the hammer on you, btw. Nobody gets to drop classes in high school. Hope you had a good time skipping class.

[illBisonYourdele]

I know common core would have made me do better in calc 1 in high school, as well as derivatives and equity classes at ksu.  Luckily i used memorization, and aced the later two, but my understanding of why it worked was frustrating. though i was a bad student in jr.high and high school, I'm going to blame the system and not me.

Olathe School System 

[Kat Kid]

I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma - I know none of this makes any sense but it was a dream. And I was freaking out because I had enrolled in 4 classes but I had only been going to two of them all year. The two I was skipping were "Advanced Calculus" (whatever that means) and some sort of foreign language. And so my plan was to cram just enough to pass the classes, but the books were in my locker and I couldn't remember my combination or even where my locker was. So then I went to the principal's office to ask whether I could drop those classes and still graduate. That's when the dream ended but I had a pretty bad feeling about what the principal was going to say.

Most of my nightmares are of the "logistical" variety and they are just the worst.

I have weird dreams like that all the time. It's always college, though. That principal was going to drop the hammer on you, btw. Nobody gets to drop classes in high school. Hope you had a good time skipping class.

I have had the I did not show up for a class all semester and OMG can I drop it or take an incomplete dream too.

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah. it's pretty much always ksu campus and i had a mwf930 or something that i quit going to and i probably missed a test or two and now i can't remember exactly where the class was and who taught it and it's towards the end of the semster and i know i'm going to get an F or something.