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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #475 on: April 13, 2018, 07:35:24 PM »
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/andrew-sullivan-a-democracy-disappears.html


the first third is hungary/trump's america, but after that it's all anti-pc stuff.
Sullivan needs to start blogging again because he is not good in this format. He was best when he shared opposing views and dissenting emails from readers. Like how can you write that about Apu and not acknowledge the documentary made by a South Asian comedian?

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #476 on: April 13, 2018, 09:32:37 PM »
he probably assumed readers had read nymag's apugate coverage earlier this week.  which speaks to your point that blogging may better suit his style.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #477 on: April 13, 2018, 09:39:32 PM »
he probably assumed readers had read nymag's apugate coverage earlier this week.  which speaks to your point that blogging may better suit his style.
Honestly he's the only NY mag thing I've ever read. I think.

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The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #479 on: April 24, 2018, 05:36:28 PM »
I don’t get it. If having “sleepy eyes” is a common Jewish trait, then isn’t he just saying Trump is probably right?

I also had no idea Chuck Todd was Jewish.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #480 on: April 24, 2018, 08:16:56 PM »
Well the Nazis said that......I have no idea.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #481 on: April 24, 2018, 08:22:25 PM »
Daisy Duck has sleepy eyes
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #482 on: April 24, 2018, 08:33:07 PM »
you'd never have to tell europeans how to spot a jew.  we've got a long ways to go.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #484 on: April 25, 2018, 12:49:03 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlZ-b2heMXU

This actually does strike me as kinda bad.  Maybe just throw in one non-black person in the line of people who the beer passes by on the way to the lighter-skinned person.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #486 on: April 25, 2018, 01:12:27 PM »
I regret spending the time to watch that.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #488 on: April 25, 2018, 02:15:38 PM »
This actually does strike me as kinda bad.  Maybe just throw in one non-black person in the line of people who the beer passes by on the way to the lighter-skinned person.

probably best just to stop casting black people altogether.  it's just too open to misinterpretation.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #489 on: April 25, 2018, 02:27:55 PM »
This actually does strike me as kinda bad.  Maybe just throw in one non-black person in the line of people who the beer passes by on the way to the lighter-skinned person.

probably best just to stop casting black people altogether.  it's just too open to misinterpretation.

You could also have a black person at the end of the line who gets the beer. Really there are probably about 100 ways to make the commercial less cringeworthy.

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« Reply #490 on: April 25, 2018, 02:54:21 PM »
maybe continue casting black people, but keep them separated into all black commercials?  at least we could avoid the super risky black person-non black person interactions.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #491 on: April 25, 2018, 02:55:07 PM »
sys are you one of those guys that won't work with women because you're afraid of being accused of sexual assault or something

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #492 on: April 25, 2018, 02:56:36 PM »
sys are you one of those guys that won't work with women because you're afraid of being accused of sexual assault or something

i think you're probably thinking of black people here, michigancat.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #493 on: April 25, 2018, 03:00:51 PM »
whoever was in charge of that commercial deserves every bit of ridicule they get.  "hmm i wonder if will be perceived as racist?" is an obvious question every marketing person should ask themselves in 2018.  any dufus could've looked at that commercial and said "yeah i can see how this could be perceived as racist."


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #494 on: April 25, 2018, 03:02:27 PM »
did you think it was racist, dlew?
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #495 on: April 25, 2018, 03:10:20 PM »
did you think it was racist, dlew?
i'd heard about it from my old black roommate before i ever saw it, so i didn't really see it "fresh."

But my old roommate thought it was hilariously and obviously racist. 


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #496 on: April 25, 2018, 03:17:35 PM »
you didn't answer my question.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #497 on: April 25, 2018, 03:19:21 PM »
you didn't answer my question.
Sorry.  I don't know whether "racist" is the right word, but yes.  I think the commercial clearly has racial undertones. 

But like I said, I heard my friend cracking up about it before ever seeing it so I'm biased.

EDIT: after watching the commercial again, yeah.  I think it's clear that they're saying "lighter beer (and skin!  ;) ) is better."
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #498 on: April 25, 2018, 03:29:23 PM »
I think it's clear that they're saying "lighter beer (and skin!  ;) ) is better."

i'm going to abandon my planned line of interrogation to follow this up - you think it is not just plausible, not just probable, but demonstrable that a for-profit, consumer-facing company intentionally inserted a message about the preferability of certain skin colors in communication directed at their customers?
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #499 on: April 25, 2018, 03:49:33 PM »
My take:

I think the marketing folks intentionally put a series of black people along the path before the (light) beer arrived at the (light skinned) woman. I do not think they did this to endorse racial superiority. I think they did it to subliminally reinforce the dark/light theme.

In fact, I would even believe the producers if they said they were so non-racist that it didn’t even occur to them that people might take it as some kind of statement on race. But like Dlew said, that’s not an excuse these days in marketing. “Could people view this as racist” is absolutely a box you HAVE to check before green-lighting an ad.

The other explanation is this is yet another attempt at viral marketing by creating something controversial.