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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2018, 11:03:20 AM »
Win wars? What on earth?

What else could you possibly mean by "scoreboard"?

I take it to mean how the rest of the world is enthralled with american culture.  Things like how in soccer games in Europe, the ads on the field are for coke and mcdonalds, and that american boy bands can go to asia and be mobbed in malls while their pop stars are largely unrecognized here.  You know, important stuff.

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« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
If you only let in smart immigrants they’ll take all the good jobs.


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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2018, 11:05:56 AM »
Win wars? What on earth?

What else could you possibly mean by "scoreboard"?

Our currency is the basis for the world economy, we have the biggest GDP, our standard of living is the best in the world etc.  No other country on earth affords you the opportunity to go from having nothing to being wealthy like the US does. It's why winners come here, because they know they can win. 
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« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2018, 11:08:13 AM »
If you only let in smart immigrants they’ll take all the good jobs.


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Huh. Isn't it kind of racist to support importing poorly educated brown people (as opposed to highly skilled brown people) to work all of our crap jobs?
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« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2018, 11:09:19 AM »
If you only let in smart immigrants they’ll take all the good jobs.


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Isn't it kind of racist to support importing poorly educated brown people to work all of our crap jobs?
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« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2018, 11:13:33 AM »
Protip: the issue isn't that he called some countries shitholes, it's that he thinks because someone lives in a shithole they are not worthy of immigrating to America.

exactly

america isnt about where youre from

its about where you want to go

That's a nice sentiment, and I agree to an extent. But we could still stand to be a bit more selective in our immigration policies. Our immigration policies currently favor the importation of poverty (and poverty's associated ills, like crime) over skill. Glad a few folks are least walking back from arguing there aren't a lot of shithole countries in the world. Progress.
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« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »
The scoreboard metric

ok, so that adds vietnam and afghanistan to the list of countries better than us. what else?

The fun thing about liberals playing the “lets call everyone who doesn’t think like me a racist” game is that it leads them increasingly bizarre statements, like the above. It’s adorable.

Who was I calling a racist? If you think (like ww does) that America is simply better than every other country because we win wars, then by that logic we aren't better than Vietnam or Afghanistan.

K. I don't think that's what WW was saying. And if you weren't calling anyone a racist, my apologies.

Anyone can cherry pick one statistic or another but all things considered America is better than every other country in the world. This isn't seriously debatable. We enjoy one of the highest standard of livings overall. The other countries with a GDP per capita even close to (or higher) than us have significantly smaller and less ethnically diverse populations and do not import poverty nearly at our level. Even our "poor" enjoy a standard of living significantly better than the poor in developing (aka shithole) countries.

We are the pinnacle of scientific achievement and are still the only country to have sent men to the moon (we did this 50 years ago, btw). You may recall that we liberated an entire continent from a genocidal maniac a while back. We've got the best music, the best movies, the best indoor plumbing. We enjoy relatively great freedom and tax our citizens at relatively low rates. We drive bigger cars and live in bigger homes and enjoy a far bigger diversity of goods and services to choose from than most countries.

Take it all together, warts and all, it's tough to find anybody who's better than the US of A.

There's a lot of false assumptions here. You assume that people from other parts of the world want the same things that Americans want. Based on an accumulation of a whole bunch of different metrics, the quality of life that America provides it's citizens is 19th-best in the world. This whole mindset is the reason we continue to slide down in terms of infant mortality rate, life-expectancy and education.

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« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2018, 11:16:58 AM »
Win wars? What on earth?

What else could you possibly mean by "scoreboard"?

Our currency is the basis for the world economy, we have the biggest GDP, our standard of living is the best in the world etc.  No other country on earth affords you the opportunity to go from having nothing to being wealthy like the US does. It's why winners come here, because they know they can win.

No! We're not! We're only 19th-best.

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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2018, 11:18:03 AM »
Protip: the issue isn't that he called some countries shitholes, it's that he thinks because someone lives in a shithole they are not worthy of immigrating to America.

exactly

america isnt about where youre from

its about where you want to go

That's a nice sentiment, and I agree to an extent. But we could still stand to be a bit more selective in our immigration policies. Our immigration policies currently favor the importation of poverty (and poverty's associated ills, like crime) over skill. Glad a few folks are least walking back from arguing there aren't a lot of shithole countries in the world. Progress.

Should also start merit-based deportation of americans.

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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2018, 11:21:11 AM »
The scoreboard metric

ok, so that adds vietnam and afghanistan to the list of countries better than us. what else?

The fun thing about liberals playing the “lets call everyone who doesn’t think like me a racist” game is that it leads them increasingly bizarre statements, like the above. It’s adorable.

Who was I calling a racist? If you think (like ww does) that America is simply better than every other country because we win wars, then by that logic we aren't better than Vietnam or Afghanistan.

K. I don't think that's what WW was saying. And if you weren't calling anyone a racist, my apologies.

Anyone can cherry pick one statistic or another but all things considered America is better than every other country in the world. This isn't seriously debatable. We enjoy one of the highest standard of livings overall. The other countries with a GDP per capita even close to (or higher) than us have significantly smaller and less ethnically diverse populations and do not import poverty nearly at our level. Even our "poor" enjoy a standard of living significantly better than the poor in developing (aka shithole) countries.

We are the pinnacle of scientific achievement and are still the only country to have sent men to the moon (we did this 50 years ago, btw). You may recall that we liberated an entire continent from a genocidal maniac a while back. We've got the best music, the best movies, the best indoor plumbing. We enjoy relatively great freedom and tax our citizens at relatively low rates. We drive bigger cars and live in bigger homes and enjoy a far bigger diversity of goods and services to choose from than most countries.

Take it all together, warts and all, it's tough to find anybody who's better than the US of A.

There's a lot of false assumptions here. You assume that people from other parts of the world want the same things that Americans want. Based on an accumulation of a whole bunch of different metrics, the quality of life that America provides it's citizens is 19th-best in the world. This whole mindset is the reason we continue to slide down in terms of infant mortality rate, life-expectancy and education.

Oh good heavens.... the old "infant mortality rate" myth resurfaces. A favorite of liberals. And yes, I do assume people from other parts of the world want what we have, which is why so many are trying to get in. A lot of people also don't know what they're missing out on. I can say, objectively speaking, any sane person would take the size of American cars and homes over what they have to settle for in Europe, if they could. My parents host foreign military officers from these "enlightened" NATO European countries every year. When they arrive, they buy a car. They rent a house. They take road trips. They all buy grills and BBQ sauce by the case to ship home when they leave (not shitting you). They effing love it here. These folks actually have a pretty decent standard of living as military officers, and they all elect to extend their "tours" in the US if they possibly can. One of the families has a special needs child and the wife actually cried when it was time to go home to Denmark with its supposedly superior socialized medicine. The ability for her son to see specialists here was far far better. They're trying to come back.

So you can say "it's all relative." That's one of the most bedrock arguments of liberalisms. Except at the end of the day, it isn't. Not really.
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« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2018, 11:21:30 AM »
Protip: the issue isn't that he called some countries shitholes, it's that he thinks because someone lives in a shithole they are not worthy of immigrating to America.

exactly

america isnt about where youre from

its about where you want to go

That's a nice sentiment, and I agree to an extent. But we could still stand to be a bit more selective in our immigration policies. Our immigration policies currently favor the importation of poverty (and poverty's associated ills, like crime) over skill. Glad a few folks are least walking back from arguing there aren't a lot of shithole countries in the world. Progress.

Should also start merit-based deportation of americans.

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« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2018, 11:21:56 AM »
MIR, please take your racist claptrap elsewhere. Nobody wants to hear you spew your venom.

Beyond the racism, you are talking out of your ass. Posting pictures of the Lagos financial district is utterly meaningless. There are pockets of extreme wealth, often based on oil, found in many shithole countries. Lagos is consistently ranked as one of the absolute worst major cities to live. On the planet.

I have a friend born and raised in Nigeria. He’s actually back there right now for the holiday. Took his kids with him for the first time. His village still gets its water from a well. No indoor plumbing. They do at least have some spotty cell coverage if you drive in to the nearest town.

But you don’t need to take my personal anecdotes. You could actually do some research.

Stop being such an ignorant racist hate monger.

Awwwww look guys, KSUW has a black friend.

There are places in America without indoor plumbing and cell coverage, you ignorant racist prick.

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« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2018, 11:25:23 AM »
MIR, please take your racist claptrap elsewhere. Nobody wants to hear you spew your venom.

Beyond the racism, you are talking out of your ass. Posting pictures of the Lagos financial district is utterly meaningless. There are pockets of extreme wealth, often based on oil, found in many shithole countries. Lagos is consistently ranked as one of the absolute worst major cities to live. On the planet.

I have a friend born and raised in Nigeria. He’s actually back there right now for the holiday. Took his kids with him for the first time. His village still gets its water from a well. No indoor plumbing. They do at least have some spotty cell coverage if you drive in to the nearest town.

But you don’t need to take my personal anecdotes. You could actually do some research.

Stop being such an ignorant racist hate monger.

Awwwww look guys, KSUW has a black friend.

There are places in America without indoor plumbing and cell coverage, you ignorant racist prick.

I'm just gonna quote this here for posterity. MIR just compared Nigeria - a county with about 100 million people living on less than a $1 a day - to the United States.
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« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2018, 11:26:55 AM »
MIR, please take your racist claptrap elsewhere. Nobody wants to hear you spew your venom.

Beyond the racism, you are talking out of your ass. Posting pictures of the Lagos financial district is utterly meaningless. There are pockets of extreme wealth, often based on oil, found in many shithole countries. Lagos is consistently ranked as one of the absolute worst major cities to live. On the planet.

I have a friend born and raised in Nigeria. He’s actually back there right now for the holiday. Took his kids with him for the first time. His village still gets its water from a well. No indoor plumbing. They do at least have some spotty cell coverage if you drive in to the nearest town.

But you don’t need to take my personal anecdotes. You could actually do some research.

Stop being such an ignorant racist hate monger.

Awwwww look guys, KSUW has a black friend.

There are places in America without indoor plumbing and cell coverage, you ignorant racist prick.

I'm just gonna quote this here for posterity. MIR just compared Nigeria - a county with about 100 million people living on less than a $1 a day - to the United States.

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« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »
The scoreboard metric

ok, so that adds vietnam and afghanistan to the list of countries better than us. what else?

The fun thing about liberals playing the “lets call everyone who doesn’t think like me a racist” game is that it leads them increasingly bizarre statements, like the above. It’s adorable.

Who was I calling a racist? If you think (like ww does) that America is simply better than every other country because we win wars, then by that logic we aren't better than Vietnam or Afghanistan.

K. I don't think that's what WW was saying. And if you weren't calling anyone a racist, my apologies.

Anyone can cherry pick one statistic or another but all things considered America is better than every other country in the world. This isn't seriously debatable. We enjoy one of the highest standard of livings overall. The other countries with a GDP per capita even close to (or higher) than us have significantly smaller and less ethnically diverse populations and do not import poverty nearly at our level. Even our "poor" enjoy a standard of living significantly better than the poor in developing (aka shithole) countries.

We are the pinnacle of scientific achievement and are still the only country to have sent men to the moon (we did this 50 years ago, btw). You may recall that we liberated an entire continent from a genocidal maniac a while back. We've got the best music, the best movies, the best indoor plumbing. We enjoy relatively great freedom and tax our citizens at relatively low rates. We drive bigger cars and live in bigger homes and enjoy a far bigger diversity of goods and services to choose from than most countries.

Take it all together, warts and all, it's tough to find anybody who's better than the US of A.

There's a lot of false assumptions here. You assume that people from other parts of the world want the same things that Americans want. Based on an accumulation of a whole bunch of different metrics, the quality of life that America provides it's citizens is 19th-best in the world. This whole mindset is the reason we continue to slide down in terms of infant mortality rate, life-expectancy and education.

Oh good heavens.... the old "infant mortality rate" myth resurfaces see below. A favorite of liberals. And yes, I do assume people from other parts of the world want what we have, which is why so many are trying to get in or just trying not to get murdered in El Salvador and Honduras. A lot of people also don't know what they're missing out on Same can be said for you. I can say, objectively speaking, any sane person would take the size of American cars and homes over what they have to settle for in Europe, if they could. My parents host foreign military officers from these "enlightened" NATO European countries every year. When they arrive, they buy a car because they have to. They rent a house because that's what you do when you move somewhere new. They take road trips Imagine that! Living in a foreign country and wanting to get out and see the sights!. They all buy grills Cooking meat over a flame?! No one ever did that before America! and BBQ sauce by the case to ship home when they leave (not shitting you) you should tell them its just ketchup and brown sugar and a couple other things, they can make it really easily. They effing love it here. These folks actually have a pretty decent standard of living as military officers, and they all elect to extend their "tours" in the US if they possibly can yeah, because it's safe and they still get hardship pay. One of the families has a special needs child and the wife actually cried when it was time to go home to Denmark with its supposedly superior socialized medicine. The ability for her son to see specialists here was far far better I will admit, Amercia does have the best medical specialists. Too bad 90% of the population doesn't need them. They're trying to come back.

So you can say "it's all relative." That's one of the most bedrock arguments of liberalisms. Except at the end of the day, it isn't. Not really.

I'm sorry, but anecdotes don't beat statistics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/?utm_term=.b284884f1141

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« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2018, 11:54:03 AM »
MIR, please take your racist claptrap elsewhere. Nobody wants to hear you spew your venom.

Beyond the racism, you are talking out of your ass. Posting pictures of the Lagos financial district is utterly meaningless. There are pockets of extreme wealth, often based on oil, found in many shithole countries. Lagos is consistently ranked as one of the absolute worst major cities to live. On the planet.

I have a friend born and raised in Nigeria. He’s actually back there right now for the holiday. Took his kids with him for the first time. His village still gets its water from a well. No indoor plumbing. They do at least have some spotty cell coverage if you drive in to the nearest town.

But you don’t need to take my personal anecdotes. You could actually do some research.

Stop being such an ignorant racist hate monger.

This is a fantastic self-righteous tirade to defend your calling Nigeria a crap hole.

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« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2018, 11:56:33 AM »
And I love America, but you're crazy if you think you could have grown up in just about any other developed nation in the world and seriously think America is hands down the best country out there.  The objective evidence is lacking.

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« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2018, 11:59:29 AM »
Protip: the issue isn't that he called some countries shitholes, it's that he thinks because someone lives in a shithole they are not worthy of immigrating to America.

exactly

america isnt about where youre from

its about where you want to go

That's a nice sentiment, and I agree to an extent. But we could still stand to be a bit more selective in our immigration policies. Our immigration policies currently favor the importation of poverty (and poverty's associated ills, like crime) over skill. Glad a few folks are least walking back from arguing there aren't a lot of shithole countries in the world. Progress.

Should also start merit-based deportation of americans.

This would be amazing

I think this should seriously be floated in Congress just to see what exactly the defense is.  Trump has already openly questioned whether simply being born in the U.S. is enough to make you a U.S. Citizen.

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« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2018, 12:02:00 PM »
It is pretty weird how aggressive ksuw is in calling MIR racist.

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« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2018, 12:06:06 PM »
If you only let in smart immigrants they’ll take all the good jobs.


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Huh. Isn't it kind of racist to support importing poorly educated brown people (as opposed to highly skilled brown people) to work all of our crap jobs?

While I was kidding, I also didn't say anything about a person's skin color or country of origin.

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« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2018, 12:06:36 PM »
Imagine being a fly on the wall when ksuw’s daughter brings a black guy home


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« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2018, 12:30:00 PM »
If you only let in smart immigrants they’ll take all the good jobs.


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Huh. Isn't it kind of racist to support importing poorly educated brown people (as opposed to highly skilled brown people) to work all of our crap jobs?

While I was kidding, I also didn't say anything about a person's skin color or country of origin.

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« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2018, 12:33:00 PM »
Protip: the issue isn't that he called some countries shitholes, it's that he thinks because someone lives in a shithole they are not worthy of immigrating to America.

exactly

america isnt about where youre from

its about where you want to go

That's a nice sentiment, and I agree to an extent. But we could still stand to be a bit more selective in our immigration policies. Our immigration policies currently favor the importation of poverty (and poverty's associated ills, like crime) over skill. Glad a few folks are least walking back from arguing there aren't a lot of shithole countries in the world. Progress.

Yet most immigrants statistically do not get involved with crimes

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/

And before you get all "well politifact is a liberal rag"

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-reform-bulletin/criminal-immigrants-their-numbers-demographics-countries
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« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2018, 12:36:03 PM »
And I love America, but you're crazy if you think you could have grown up in just about any other developed nation in the world and seriously think America is hands down the best country out there.  The objective evidence is lacking.

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