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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17850 on: September 12, 2017, 10:17:29 AM »
There is minimal talent on the field for ku

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« Reply #17851 on: September 12, 2017, 10:23:09 AM »
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Hell, if Iowa State can be competitive, why in the name of Zeus' butthole can't we? But we've had this conversation, year after year, coach after coach. We've tried to rationalize each decision, speculated on what route to take next, and then take things back to the drawing board. Rinse and repeat.

My friends and family think I'm crazy for continuing to follow and support this hot garbage, and I'm getting to the point where I really can't defend it anymore. I've never been more embarrassed as a fan and a KU alum than I was on Saturday.

The season is over by all accounts.

The obvious answer has been staring at them in their face for decades, but one they can't conceive. KU football, KU as a university, and LFK are all considerably shittier than any of their fans believe.
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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17852 on: September 12, 2017, 10:32:58 AM »


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Hell, if Iowa State can be competitive, why in the name of Zeus' butthole can't we? But we've had this conversation, year after year, coach after coach. We've tried to rationalize each decision, speculated on what route to take next, and then take things back to the drawing board. Rinse and repeat.

My friends and family think I'm crazy for continuing to follow and support this hot garbage, and I'm getting to the point where I really can't defend it anymore. I've never been more embarrassed as a fan and a KU alum than I was on Saturday.

The season is over by all accounts.

The obvious answer has been staring at them in their face for decades, but one they can't conceive. KU football, KU as a university, and LFK are all considerably shittier than any of their fans believe.

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« Reply #17853 on: September 12, 2017, 10:36:16 AM »
hard AF to recruit to flyover country.

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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17854 on: September 12, 2017, 01:23:37 PM »
It's weird how high they get from beating a bad fcs team, and how low they get from losing to a middling MAC team. It's like they forgot they couldn't beat MAC teams when they were flying high (6-6, 3-5) finishing 4th in the nortard.
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« Reply #17855 on: September 12, 2017, 01:47:08 PM »
It's weird how high they get from beating a bad fcs team, and how low they get from losing to a middling MAC team. It's like they forgot they couldn't beat MAC teams when they were flying high (6-6, 3-5) finishing 4th in the nortard.

Losing yes, but they have been getting throttled by MAC teams. 
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« Reply #17856 on: September 12, 2017, 06:06:31 PM »
I think we are looking past this is what is best for the kid, nobody deserves to be that bad at football

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« Reply #17857 on: September 12, 2017, 07:02:59 PM »
If they fire Beaty after this season they deserve to have their program shuttered.  He is certainly not Snyder circa late 80's kstate but he's moving them in the right direction.  I'm not gE'ng at all.
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« Reply #17858 on: September 12, 2017, 07:19:03 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?


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« Reply #17859 on: September 12, 2017, 07:41:18 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Well, I don't think they're getting worse :dunno:

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« Reply #17860 on: September 12, 2017, 07:42:13 PM »
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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17861 on: September 12, 2017, 08:16:42 PM »
Beaty just needs more time. Should lock him up for another 10 years and take their medicine.

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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17862 on: September 12, 2017, 08:23:09 PM »
The obvious answer has been staring at them in their face for decades, but one they can't conceive. KU football, KU as a university, and LFK are all considerably shittier than any of their fans believe.

This needs to be repeated. Their enrollment continues to drop, their campus/buildings need to be renovated, and the whole culture at that school needs a serious overhaul. But they'll still talk about how great things were back in a time before even the oldest graduate students at either school were alive.

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« Reply #17863 on: September 12, 2017, 08:27:32 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Recruiting mostly.  I think he is dirty enough to flirt with the lines of compliance in a way that can land them enough talent to start winning games. 
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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17864 on: September 12, 2017, 08:30:50 PM »
The obvious answer has been staring at them in their face for decades, but one they can't conceive. KU football, KU as a university, and LFK are all considerably shittier than any of their fans believe.

This needs to be repeated. Their enrollment continues to drop, their campus/buildings need to be renovated, and the whole culture at that school needs a serious overhaul. But they'll still talk about how great things were back in a time before even the oldest graduate students at either school were alive.

The real problem is their basketball team is always good, and that is the only thing people care about.  One of these years they are going to suck, and then people will look up and wonder how everything else around them is a complete crap pile.  Being good at basketball will be their downfall.

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« Reply #17865 on: September 12, 2017, 08:32:53 PM »
They have other good sports besides bball. 

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« Reply #17866 on: September 12, 2017, 09:04:20 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Recruiting mostly.  I think he is dirty enough to flirt with the lines of compliance in a way that can land them enough talent to start winning games.
Gill recruited fairly well for a while. Their recruits are dropping like flies.

Make no mistake, their program is as bad as it's ever been.  They're in the same spot they've been in since 2010.


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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17867 on: September 12, 2017, 09:28:58 PM »
Overall record

2010-2017 (current decade in progress)
KSU 62-31 - 66.7%
KU 15-71 - 17.4%

1996-2017 (Big 12 era)
KSU 175-92 - 65.5%
KU 91-160 - 36.3%

1989-2017 (Snyder arrived)
KSU 221-125-1 - 63.7%
KU 133-197-1 - 40.2%

1977-2017 (my lifetime)
KSU 251-225-4 - 52.3%
KU 174-283-8 - 37.4%

1967-2017 (last fifty years)
KSU 288-295-4 - 49.1%
KU 226-340-9 - 39.3%

1869-2017 (all time)
KSU 521-635-41 - 43.5%
KU 583-621-58 - 46.2%


Just some random numbers from Stassen on a boring Tues evening.

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« Reply #17868 on: September 12, 2017, 09:45:59 PM »
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David Beaty is a rough ridin' moron. Have any of you heard him speak? He is a cheerleader type, and was never a coordinator. A rah rah position coach. He is totally outclassed and puts our guys in terrible positions. And when we do win, lkfe the fumble-gift win from Texas, he cries out of sheer shock. We will go 1-11. And those of you defending this program right now make me want to puke. It's like you hate KU amd enjoy losing. eff all of you.

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« Reply #17869 on: September 12, 2017, 09:48:02 PM »
Sorry, still bored. Total wins by decade.

2010s
KSU 62-31
KU 14-70

2000s
KSU 71-54
KU 57-63

1990s
KSU 87-30-1
KU 58-57-1

1980s
KSU 22-86-3
KU 37-69-6

1970s
KSU 36-74
KU 45-65-2

1960s
KSU 18-80-1
KU 49-49-4

1950s
KSU 30-67-3
KU 43-53-4

1940s
KSU 14-75-4
KU 45-48-6

1930s
KSU 48-34-8
KU 37-44-8

1920s
KSU 39-33-9
KU 32-37-10

1910s
KSU 50-29-6
KU 45-23-8

1900s
KSU 40-35-2
KU 64-25-7

Before 1900
KSU 4-7-4
KU 57-18-2

Thoughts: up until WW2, KSU had a relatively decent winning percentage. Then everyone else got serious while we sat on our thumbs for 50 years. As good as Snyder has been, that's a LOT of bad football to overcome.

Nearly 30% of KUs all time wins came before WW1. Yowza. They finally dropped below 0.500 all time a couple years ago. With 620 all time losses, they're a couple of bad years away from tying KSU in the loss column.

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« Reply #17870 on: September 12, 2017, 09:52:41 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Recruiting mostly.  I think he is dirty enough to flirt with the lines of compliance in a way that can land them enough talent to start winning games.
Gill recruited fairly well for a while. Their recruits are dropping like flies.

Make no mistake, their program is as bad as it's ever been.  They're in the same spot they've been in since 2010.


If they don't turn the corner in 2019( 5 wins or more) then I would have no problem firing him, but his recruiting is trending in the right direction.  Mangino got it rolling a bit quicker but I don't think the program in 2002 was in as bad of shape as it was in 2015.
 
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Re: KU football is hurting
« Reply #17871 on: September 12, 2017, 09:53:39 PM »
Overall record

2010-2017 (current decade in progress)
KSU 62-31 - 66.7%
KU 15-71 - 17.4%

1996-2017 (Big 12 era)
KSU 175-92 - 65.5%
KU 91-160 - 36.3%

1989-2017 (Snyder arrived)
KSU 221-125-1 - 63.7%
KU 133-197-1 - 40.2%

1977-2017 (my lifetime)
KSU 251-225-4 - 52.3%
KU 174-283-8 - 37.4%

1967-2017 (last fifty years)
KSU 288-295-4 - 49.1%
KU 226-340-9 - 39.3%

1869-2017 (all time)
KSU 521-635-41 - 43.5%
KU 583-621-58 - 46.2%


Just some random numbers from Stassen on a boring Tues evening.
You have to look at 1947 to now before they surpass us in win percentage. They hang on to that dearly though.
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« Reply #17872 on: September 12, 2017, 10:59:03 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Recruiting mostly.  I think he is dirty enough to flirt with the lines of compliance in a way that can land them enough talent to start winning games.
Gill recruited fairly well for a while. Their recruits are dropping like flies.

Make no mistake, their program is as bad as it's ever been.  They're in the same spot they've been in since 2010.


If they don't turn the corner in 2019( 5 wins or more) then I would have no problem firing him, but his recruiting is trending in the right direction.  Mangino got it rolling a bit quicker but I don't think the program in 2002 was in as bad of shape as it was in 2015.
 
OK, just so we're clear we're not basing this "moving in the right direction" stuff on any on-the-field, tangible results.

So even ignoring that, Beaty doesn't have the experience that Mangino had.  Mangino knew what he was doing because Mangino had legitimate, high level experience under some of the best coaches ever.

Mangino had an actual pedigree, as a position coach under LHOFHCBS for 8 years, as a coordinator under Bob Stoops for their national title team, and was given the Broyles award.  Not to mention, he spent some time coaching under Tressel at Youngstown.

Meanwhile Beaty was a position coach under Kevin Sumlin who is going to get fired here in about 3 months.  That's it.  This could be a hot take, but without Johnny Manziel, Sumlin wouldn't be A&M's coach anymore, and Beaty wouldn't be KU's coach.  Beaty is a glorified high school coach who has no business being the head guy for a P5 team.  He's in WAY over his head and hasn't ever been able to do something as simple as decide on a quarterback.  The only notable thing he's done is hire Meacham - who was about to be fired from TCU.  Meanwhile, he's still leading KU to double digit loss seasons, same as it ever was.

They're not any closer to even being a run-of-the-mill bad team/program (e.g. Iowa State) than they were under Gill or Weis.  It's a cruel Catch-22: at this point the coaches who could turn around that program would never stoop so low as to take that career killing job, unless they get someone capable but disgraced (like Pelini) or some weirdo-masochist-savant like Snyder who inexplicably decides he wants to spend the next 5 years of his life trying to turn the worst program in the P5 around.  Beaty is neither.

When KU achieves something as pedestrian as losing fewer than 10 games, I'll concede that they're starting to make progress.  Until then, any perceived progress is a function of how competent their FCS or bottom-feeder OOC opponents happen to be in a given season.
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« Reply #17873 on: September 12, 2017, 11:49:53 PM »
but he's moving them in the right direction.
based on what?

Recruiting mostly.  I think he is dirty enough to flirt with the lines of compliance in a way that can land them enough talent to start winning games.
Gill recruited fairly well for a while. Their recruits are dropping like flies.

Make no mistake, their program is as bad as it's ever been.  They're in the same spot they've been in since 2010.


If they don't turn the corner in 2019( 5 wins or more) then I would have no problem firing him, but his recruiting is trending in the right direction.  Mangino got it rolling a bit quicker but I don't think the program in 2002 was in as bad of shape as it was in 2015.
 
OK, just so we're clear we're not basing this "moving in the right direction" stuff on any on-the-field, tangible results.

So even ignoring that, Beaty doesn't have the experience that Mangino had.  Mangino knew what he was doing because Mangino had legitimate, high level experience under some of the best coaches ever.

Mangino had an actual pedigree, as a position coach under LHOFHCBS for 8 years, as a coordinator under Bob Stoops for their national title team, and was given the Broyles award.  Not to mention, he spent some time coaching under Tressel at Youngstown.

Meanwhile Beaty was a position coach under Kevin Sumlin who is going to get fired here in about 3 months.  That's it.  This could be a hot take, but without Johnny Manziel, Sumlin wouldn't be A&M's coach anymore, and Beaty wouldn't be KU's coach.  Beaty is a glorified high school coach who has no business being the head guy for a P5 team.  He's in WAY over his head and hasn't ever been able to do something as simple as decide on a quarterback.  The only notable thing he's done is hire Meacham - who was about to be fired from TCU.  Meanwhile, he's still leading KU to double digit loss seasons, same as it ever was.

They're not any closer to even being a run-of-the-mill bad team/program (e.g. Iowa State) than they were under Gill or Weis.  It's a cruel Catch-22: at this point the coaches who could turn around that program would never stoop so low as to take that career killing job, unless they get someone capable but disgraced (like Pelini) or some weirdo-masochist-savant like Snyder who inexplicably decides he wants to spend the next 5 years of his life trying to turn the worst program in the P5 around.  Beaty is neither.

When KU achieves something as pedestrian as losing fewer than 10 games, I'll concede that they're starting to make progress.  Until then, any perceived progress is a function of how competent their FCS or bottom-feeder OOC opponents happen to be in a given season.

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« Reply #17874 on: September 13, 2017, 12:10:45 AM »
With 620 all time losses, they're a couple of bad years away from tying KSU in the loss column.

This could potentially happen at the end of next year if the cats have another good year!  I'm assuming 10-2 this year. 


What's their road losing streak at?  That's a fun one to watch.  What's the all time road losing streak?  They must be close.

One thing's for sure, all eyes will be on their away trip to Ohio.