The Royals

[kim carnes]

canary, you are universally hated on this board

[star seed 7]

does anyone even come close to having as terrible of a first 140 posts?

[Canary]

Who are you again?

[sunny_cat]

Who are you again?

Make that 142, seven.

[Canary]

Anyway. How about them Royals?

[sys]

Ned continually has said he likes having Duffy in the bullpen so he has another "power arm" available. He also talks about the experience of Gut and Varg.

yeah, he has said that, but it's obviously ridiculous and not credible.  they haven't pitched arguably their best pitcher over the course of the year just a single inning in the post season because they like having a security blanket in the bullpen.  the reason he has hardly played is because he's broken.  they've been pretty honest about that actually, it just hasn't gotten much coverage.

[sys]

He will get used in the WS though, no question about it

 

[wetwillie]

Sys I heard a radio person speculate that they have a inning count on Duffy that may have already been reached.  Like basically the year following a Tommy John surgery you can pitch X amount of times before you break.  What do you make of that theory?

[sunny_cat]

Sys I heard a radio person speculate that they have a inning count on Duffy that may have already been reached.  Like basically the year following a Tommy John surgery you can pitch X amount of times before you break.  What do you make of that theory?

@The Big Train

[sys]

Sys I heard a radio person speculate that they have a inning count on Duffy that may have already been reached.  Like basically the year following a Tommy John surgery you can pitch X amount of times before you break.  What do you make of that theory?

it's completely wrong.

this isn't some secret.  it's been reported in the press.  his mechanics were way off when he came back the shoulder injury.  they don't trust him to throw strikes out of the windup.  until that is fixed, he is unlikely to pitch in an important situation.

i guess maybe they could bring him in an important situation with runners on.  but probably only if finnegan was already used and hdh weren't lined up to go.

[Cartierfor3]

Just so you are aware how stupid your statement is Canary, Greg Holland this year had a 1.44 ERA and a .914 WHIP, 13K per nine innings, and 4.5 K/BB.

Jeff Montgomery, Dan Quisenberry, and Joakim Soria (the 3 best closers in Royals history before Holland) never had a season close to that. In fact, any of those numbers I listed would be career highs for the other 3. Greg Holland is the best closer this team has ever had, and he is significantly more automatic than the other 3 were. He gave up 1 run in 8 IP in the playoffs. He was TREMENDOUS against the Angels and Orioles, pitching ever game. Wade Davis's magnificent season doesn't diminish Holland's greatness at all.

Now please stop posting in this thread.

[Cartierfor3]

Sys I heard a radio person speculate that they have a inning count on Duffy that may have already been reached.  Like basically the year following a Tommy John surgery you can pitch X amount of times before you break.  What do you make of that theory?

it's completely wrong.

this isn't some secret.  it's been reported in the press.  his mechanics were way off when he came back the shoulder injury.  they don't trust him to throw strikes out of the windup.  until that is fixed, he is unlikely to pitch in an important situation.

i guess maybe they could bring him in an important situation with runners on.  but probably only if finnegan was already used and hdh weren't lined up to go.

10th inning game 1 in Anaheim felt pretty important.....

[kso_FAN]

Sys I heard a radio person speculate that they have a inning count on Duffy that may have already been reached.  Like basically the year following a Tommy John surgery you can pitch X amount of times before you break.  What do you make of that theory?

I think they are being very cautious and this is a big part of it. Strasburging him without Strasburging him almost.

[Cartierfor3]

I mean, I can't really think of a situation besides when they brought in Frasor in the Wild Card game where Duffy would've made more sense. All of our starters have done great, and the pen has had guys go more than 1 inning when needed.

[sys]

10th inning game 1 in Anaheim felt pretty important.....

they used herrera, finnegan, collins, davis and frasor first.  the only reason they put him in was because yost is fanatical about keeping holland for the save.  there was no one else left to use.  and i bet if you go back and look at video you'll see that he was pitching out of the stretch with nobody on base.

he's thrown one inning in the post season, cf3.

[Cartierfor3]

10th inning game 1 in Anaheim felt pretty important.....

they used herrera, finnegan, collins, davis and frasor first.  the only reason they put him in was because yost is fanatical about keeping holland for the save.  there was no one else left to use.  and i bet if you go back and look at video you'll see that he was pitching out of the stretch with nobody on base.

he's thrown one inning in the post season, cf3.

Man I about lost it when they put Collins in

[sys]

oh sure, happens all the time.  team gets to the post season looks at their two best pitchers and flips a coin.  one is the game one starter.  the other they bury in the bullpen and never pitch if they have any other feasible option.  that's just basic strategy.

[sys]

i mean this has all been reported.

[sys]

Duffy posted a 2.55 ERA in 25 starts, the lowest mark of any member of the rotation. He trailed only Wade Davis in Baseball-Reference.com's wins above replacement and was considered worth 3.5 WAR, an advanced metric that compares a player to the production of a theoretical minor-league replacement.

On Sept. 6, he left a game against the New York Yankees after throwing just one pitch. The Royals shut him down for two weeks. He returned on Sept. 22 and found himself unable to throw strikes from his windup delivery. Pitching almost exclusively from the stretch, he spun six scoreless innings against the Cleveland Indians.

His final outing was far less encouraging. The White Sox pounded him for four runs in two innings Sept. 27. The timing of this lapse was unfortunate.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article2692785.html

[sys]

podcast i posted a while back with a pitching mechanics guy that talks about duffy's problems.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24855

[Cartierfor3]

Sys what's your point? That Ned is lying? Its kind of what coaches/managers do.

[sys]

no, they're not lying.  they've said fairly openly that he's not pitching because his mechanics are off and they don't trust him to throw strikes.  my points are that 1)  there's no real reason to think he's hurt.  they've said over and over again that he's not.  and 2)  unless they've suddenly been able to fix his mechanics, he's probably not going to pitch much, if at all, against sf.

it's also a little side point of mine that it should be obvious to any thinking person that if duffy was still regular season duffy, they'd be using the crap out of him in the post season.  it boggles my mind that anyone thinks otherwise.

[Cartierfor3]

no argument from me bud

[Canary]

[bones129]

Just so you are aware how stupid your statement is Canary, Greg Holland this year had a 1.44 ERA and a .914 WHIP, 13K per nine innings, and 4.5 K/BB.

Jeff Montgomery, Dan Quisenberry, and Joakim Soria (the 3 best closers in Royals history before Holland) never had a season close to that. In fact, any of those numbers I listed would be career highs for the other 3. Greg Holland is the best closer this team has ever had, and he is significantly more automatic than the other 3 were. He gave up 1 run in 8 IP in the playoffs. He was TREMENDOUS against the Angels and Orioles, pitching ever game. Wade Davis's magnificent season doesn't diminish Holland's greatness at all.

Now please stop posting in this thread.

Excellent post and analysis, cf3.