Bombshell

[muqluk]

You think you guys would be pumped about the walk-on transfers. This is what you guys have been bitching about for years and you guys can't even soak it in.

f them.  I'd like to know the details on the 'whys' - because that's really the interesting bit.

[MakeItRain]

“We didn’t want to be put in a situation where we’re just putting him in to run the ball so many times. A lot of quarterback are just ‘special-black quarterbacks.’ A lot of the time they’re not put in good positions to utilize all of their skill sets. Of course he can run the ball, that’s not an issue.”

Collin Klein was a super special-black quarterback.

“We didn’t want to be put in a situation where we’re just putting him in to run the ball so many times. A lot of quarterback are just ‘special-black quarterbacks.’ A lot of the time they’re not put in good positions to utilize all of their skill sets. Of course he can run the ball, that’s not an issue.”

So this is what happens when white people are afraid to talk about race and then are left to their own devices when something goes down.

All the man is saying is that he doesn't want his son known as a running qb who can't throw. He isn't accusing anyone of anything other than to say that K-State's offense is essentially let's run the qb a billion times a game.

[muqluk]

He isn't accusing anyone of anything other than to say that K-State's offense is essentially let's run the qb a billion times a game.

He didn't do good dadding then, if he didn't already know that before his son committed and showed up on campus.  No sympathy for him (though a bit for the kid)

[That_Guy]

Sounds like Sean might be out the door.. 

Who's the coach that's making all this happen?

Or future incoming coach?


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Scribe strikes again ... you should know better That_Guy (even though you're a chick)

I've heard different.


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[CNS]

He isn't accusing anyone of anything other than to say that K-State's offense is essentially let's run the qb a billion times a game.

He didn't do good dadding then, if he didn't already know that before his son committed and showed up on campus.  No sympathy for him (though a bit for the kid)

Jake waters

[muqluk]

Waters was a flash in the pan sought out to really take full advantage of the gifted prodigy that was Tyler Lockett.  And even casual followers of KSU football should know this.  Dads doing research on teams for their kid to play for should also know this. 

[CNS]

He flung the ball around for two straight years.  Reasonable to think that a pass only offense would keep passes in the playbook when signing a kid that can throw. 

[SdK]

Maybe he can't throw guys?

[Panjandrum]

I stand by my opener. 13 have left. All names I gave are gone. Other names I don't have were walkons from my understanding. Davis, Banks, and Prewett were significant names. Prewett having biggest upside. Rest were just meh. Banks is just first to go public. You can thank me later.

It's later.

I was wrong. Thanks for the info. My bad for doubting you.

[troubledscribe]

Maybe he can't throw guys?

How many successful fade routes did hubes throw out of bounds?

[Clevey 2 Times]

He isn't accusing anyone of anything other than to say that K-State's offense is essentially let's run the qb a billion times a game.

He didn't do good dadding then, if he didn't already know that before his son committed and showed up on campus.  No sympathy for him (though a bit for the kid)

Jake waters

Although if you go back to Snyder 1.0 there were some quality pro style throwing plays in the offense. Of course, that's a long time ago, plus Banks and Co. could've seen just how terrible our wide receiver corp is/was.

[CNS]

Well, yeah.  That's part of what they are saying now.   

[Dr Rick Daris]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

[Panjandrum]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

I don't think we love to pass as much as we dislike having our starter get physically beaten every season.

If we have a QB who can take absurd punishment, we will give him the ball.

[Steffy08]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

I don't think we love to pass as much as we dislike having our starter get physically beaten every season.

If we have a QB who can take absurd punishment, we will give him the ball.

Or, if we have 3 or 4 good options at QB, which I'm sure was the plan this year until knees starting getting busted.

[TwobizE2P]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

Haha...not the same. BP can verify. Plausible DS helps direct JB to MSU but JB will have some other options. 

[catastrophe]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

To be fair, Waters had just come in from Juco and (sort of) started. Also, for some inexplicable reason we had Hubes throwing a bunch this year--no way was Banks worse there.

Without any inside knowledge I have to think it comes down to who knows the playbook best. Some coaches simplify the playbook in order to take advantage of athletes who should be on the field. Snyder seems unwilling to do that. He sort of gave Sams a shot at by splitting reps with Waters, but it didn't work out obviously.

[treysolid]

It's more about minimizing downside as opposed to maximizing upside. Every coach is going to select the qb who can quickly and consistently make the correct reads under pressure. Whatever "wow" factor banks had, it obviously didn't translate into consistency or production. Alot of guys can excel in HS or JuCo simply because they're athletic, but that doesn't account for much in the P5.

[Dr Rick Daris]

watershed and twobiz are great. maybe the same poster , but great. also, banks dad just seems like a normal gen x helicopter parent. the only thing he didn't really do his due diligence on is that kstate (dimel) was not going to allow his kid to come in and immediately start playing. that's just not the way they work it. i'm sure he can pass but by description he's always seemed to be a bit of a klein/roberson passing project and the longer dimel has been in charge, the more away from the run and especially the qb run we have gotten. banks seems like a decent kid though and i wish him the best. juco and then resigning is his best option.

To be fair, Waters had just come in from Juco and (sort of) started. Also, for some inexplicable reason we had Hubes throwing a bunch this year--no way was Banks worse there.

Without any inside knowledge I have to think it comes down to who knows the playbook best. Some coaches simplify the playbook in order to take advantage of athletes who should be on the field. Snyder seems unwilling to do that. He sort of gave Sams a shot at by splitting reps with Waters, but it didn't work out obviously.

snyder is not in charge of the offense. dimel is. running and the qb running game is not dimel's thing. never has been, never will be. that's why we got waters over sams and snyder wondering out loud in post game why daniel didn't play more.

[DQ12]

also inexplicably, waters ran the ball quite a bit.

[SdK]

It's more about minimizing downside as opposed to maximizing upside. Every coach is going to select the qb who can quickly and consistently make the correct reads under pressure. Whatever "wow" factor banks had, it obviously didn't translate into consistency or production. Alot of guys can excel in HS or JuCo simply because they're athletic, but that doesn't account for much in the P5.

My sentiments exactly

[Steffy08]

It's more about minimizing downside as opposed to maximizing upside. Every coach is going to select the qb who can quickly and consistently make the correct reads under pressure. Whatever "wow" factor banks had, it obviously didn't translate into consistency or production. Alot of guys can excel in HS or JuCo simply because they're athletic, but that doesn't account for much in the P5.

My sentiments exactly

This has changed in Snyder 2.0.  We tolerated the mistakes of Bishop and Roberson, because of their upside.  I don't think this is Snyder's preference, actually.  Go back and listen to him talk about Bishop in 1997-98; I remember he said something along the lines of "we have to make sure we don't coach him too much and detract from his natural abilities and leadership."  Of course,  Banks or Sams probably wasn't MFB.

[Cire]

I was under the impression that dimel
 Had almost everything to do with the kleinfense


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[Cire]

And bishop was probably the best athlete on the field most of the time.  Roberson as well to a certain extent.


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[sonofdaxjones]

I'm a little bummed about Banks, but it seems/feels like more QB's are transferring then ever.