Will this get better?

[OK_Cat]

The point is that this team has a severe lack of d-1 talent, but rah rah walkon

[MixBerryCrunch]

Seems more like  the growing pains as we move from teams filled with JUCOs to 3 star high school kids we develop.  Bill definitely wants a full cabinet before he retires again. A lot of young kids playing and a lot more getting ready to step in next year.

[MakeItRain]

It feels like how the first Snyder era ended.

Good news though...coaching search! <3

Not similar at all really. This team is much better than 2004 and is (maybe) falling from much lower heights.

This team would kick the crap out of that '04 team, they were so so so terrible.

You might very well be right, bit this team hasn't shown anything on the field to say this is true. We've only managed to beat a terrible FCS team, a very bad Conference USA team, and average Conference USA team at home in triple overtime.  The only difference so far this season is a lucky FG in OT by a back up kicker

There is a huge difference in what you just described (plus today at OSU) and barely beating a 1AA team, getting your ass kicked at home by a fringe top-25 team (Fresno) to start the season.

Yeah, this is my proof.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2004-10-09-kansas.html
That wasn't even a good KU team, if we lose to ISU then we'll talk

[CHONGS]

It feels like how the first Snyder era ended.

Good news though...coaching search! <3

Not similar at all really. This team is much better than 2004 and is (maybe) falling from much lower heights.

This team would kick the crap out of that '04 team, they were so so so terrible.

You might very well be right, bit this team hasn't shown anything on the field to say this is true. We've only managed to beat a terrible FCS team, a very bad Conference USA team, and average Conference USA team at home in triple overtime.  The only difference so far this season is a lucky FG in OT by a back up kicker

There is a huge difference in what you just described (plus today at OSU) and barely beating a 1AA team, getting your ass kicked at home by a fringe top-25 team (Fresno) to start the season.

Yeah, this is my proof.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2004-10-09-kansas.html
That wasn't even a good KU team, if we lose to ISU then we'll talk

Fair enough of course.  Only time will tell. I would easily see us losing to a 4-7 ISU, Tech, or WVU

[Cartierfor3]

It feels like how the first Snyder era ended.

Good news though...coaching search! <3

Not similar at all really. This team is much better than 2004 and is (maybe) falling from much lower heights.

This team would kick the crap out of that '04 team, they were so so so terrible.

You might very well be right, bit this team hasn't shown anything on the field to say this is true. We've only managed to beat a terrible FCS team, a very bad Conference USA team, and average Conference USA team at home in triple overtime.  The only difference so far this season is a lucky FG in OT by a back up kicker

There is a huge difference in what you just described (plus today at OSU) and barely beating a 1AA team, getting your ass kicked at home by a fringe top-25 team (Fresno) to start the season.

Yeah, this is my proof.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2004-10-09-kansas.html
That wasn't even a good KU team, if we lose to ISU then we'll talk

Fair enough of course.  Only time will tell. I would easily see us losing to a 4-7 ISU, Tech, or WVU

1.8 ypc 

[nicname]

wait, changing my post based on MIR's memory. Watching the 04 KSU/Colorado game was the absolute worst experience watching KSU football in person

Watch this and think about your experience that night.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

[CHONGS]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

[nicname]

Not disagreeing with mismanagement of talent or lack of talent standpoints, btw. I'm also pretty furious at what our schemes have become.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

[nicname]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

But they are.

[CHONGS]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

But they are.

The only ranking that matters is at the end of the year.  We were ranked #13 in 2004, so by that 2004 was a better team because this team ain't sniffing the top 25.

[MakeItRain]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Yeah, they'll beat KU and have toss ups with ISU, Tech, and WVU; just like us. They are close to being the overrated dogshit I thought they'd be before the season started. They pulled horseshoes out of their asses to beat a shitty UT and whatever the hell we are.

Who would have thought that Tech would the fourth best team in the conference?

[MixBerryCrunch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

But they are.

The only ranking that matters is at the end of the year.  We were ranked #13 in 2004, so by that 2004 was a better team because this team ain't sniffing the top 25.

I'd be willing to bet they end the season in the top 25. I think you're melting down too hard.

[Steffy08]

I'm pretty frustrated.  I was high on our d before todsy, but man that was brutàl.

The injuries are taking a toll; I'm now in the camp of "we are going to lose a bunch of close games this year."

Gd that was frustrating; osu is not good.

[nicname]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

But they are.

The only ranking that matters is at the end of the year.  We were ranked #13 in 2004, so by that 2004 was a better team because this team ain't sniffing the top 25.

srs response is srs

[MakeItRain]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

No freaking way they win 4 more games. 8 wins is their absolute ceiling.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

No freaking way they win 4 more games. 8 wins is their absolute ceiling.

I'm not sold on Tech. Their defense is abysmal and they're demoralized after these last two games. I think they're close to imploding.

[nicname]

OSU has a decent change to grab two non ISU/KU wins.

[MakeItRain]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

No freaking way they win 4 more games. 8 wins is their absolute ceiling.

I'm not sold on Tech. Their defense is abysmal and they're demoralized after these last two games. I think they're close to imploding.

OSU's secondary is worse than ours

[MixBerryCrunch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

No freaking way they win 4 more games. 8 wins is their absolute ceiling.

I'm not sold on Tech. Their defense is abysmal and they're demoralized after these last two games. I think they're close to imploding.

OSU's secondary is worse than ours

I want to see what Tech does against ISU next week. If they blow them out then maybe they've taken a step forward but I have a feeling ISU keeps it close.

[joda]

While it's indisputable that our talent level is not where it should be, this is nowhere near comparable to how bad the end of Snyder I was. I'd also argue that the majority of the best talent on the roster right now is in the FR & SO classes. There's still holes that need filled and a lot of developing to do, but it sure seems talent and raw athletic ability wise the needle is moving upwards.

[Mixed-Nutz]

While it's indisputable that our talent level is not where it should be, this is nowhere near comparable to how bad the end of Snyder I was. I'd also argue that the majority of the best talent on the roster right now is in the FR & SO classes. There's still holes that need filled and a lot of developing to do, but it sure seems talent and raw athletic ability wise the needle is moving upwards.

Snyder coming back and trying to recruit was embarrassing. We made adjustments 3 years ago and got to a reasonable level. But this staff probably needs 1 more recruiter. 

[joda]

While it's indisputable that our talent level is not where it should be, this is nowhere near comparable to how bad the end of Snyder I was. I'd also argue that the majority of the best talent on the roster right now is in the FR & SO classes. There's still holes that need filled and a lot of developing to do, but it sure seems talent and raw athletic ability wise the needle is moving upwards.

Snyder coming back and trying to recruit was embarrassing. We made adjustments 3 years ago and got to a reasonable level. But this staff probably needs 1 more recruiter.

I would agree

[Gooch]

Also think of all the trick plays and injuries that had to happen for a top twenty team to beat us at home. We are far away better than 04 and 05.

Pro-Tip: OSU ain't a Top 25 team. They are very average.

Don't moral victory this crap.

Well they'll probably win eight or nine this year so that's probably top 25. Not a lot of good teams out there.

No freaking way they win 4 more games. 8 wins is their absolute ceiling.

I'm not sold on Tech. Their defense is abysmal and they're demoralized after these last two games. I think they're close to imploding.

So where will we be after 5 straight maybe 6 straight losses?