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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #300 on: March 30, 2014, 10:00:56 PM »
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College football players have at least one influential supporter in Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who told The Washington Post, "Of course they should be able to organize. The way these people are treated by the NCAA and the universities themselves is really unpardonable, and I wish them well. I'll do anything I can to help."

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You and I know it's going to happen in the near future.  Too bad the NCAA was too stupid to realize this could happen.
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« Reply #301 on: March 31, 2014, 12:24:28 AM »
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College football players have at least one influential supporter in Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who told The Washington Post, "Of course they should be able to organize. The way these people are treated by the NCAA and the universities themselves is really unpardonable, and I wish them well. I'll do anything I can to help."

Source: ESPN.com
You and I know it's going to happen in the near future.  Too bad the NCAA was too stupid to realize this could happen.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #302 on: March 31, 2014, 11:36:53 AM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.

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« Reply #303 on: March 31, 2014, 02:10:13 PM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.
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« Reply #304 on: March 31, 2014, 02:13:05 PM »
Also, this may explain why pro soccer is not a top sport in the USA.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #305 on: March 31, 2014, 02:14:08 PM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.

Why should that matter to universities who are interested in fielding amateur athletics programs? I would love to see the NFL develop its own farm system. It would be good for the players who aren't interested in what the universities are offering. College football doesn't need elite players to thrive. The money is made off of alumni cheering on their alma maters much moreso than it is off the backs of star players.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #306 on: March 31, 2014, 02:19:23 PM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.

Why should that matter to universities who are interested in fielding amateur athletics programs? I would love to see the NFL develop its own farm system. It would be good for the players who aren't interested in what the universities are offering. College football doesn't need elite players to thrive. The money is made off of alumni cheering on their alma maters much moreso than it is off the backs of star players.
If that's so, then why don't the pro's draft the players from NFL Europe.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #307 on: March 31, 2014, 02:25:44 PM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.

Why should that matter to universities who are interested in fielding amateur athletics programs? I would love to see the NFL develop its own farm system. It would be good for the players who aren't interested in what the universities are offering. College football doesn't need elite players to thrive. The money is made off of alumni cheering on their alma maters much moreso than it is off the backs of star players.
If that's so, then why don't the pro's draft the players from NFL Europe.

Are they in NFL Europe because they don't value an education, or are they there because they already got their education and weren't good enough to get drafted? Is NFL Europe even still around?

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« Reply #308 on: March 31, 2014, 08:57:31 PM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.

Why should that matter to universities who are interested in fielding amateur athletics programs? I would love to see the NFL develop its own farm system. It would be good for the players who aren't interested in what the universities are offering. College football doesn't need elite players to thrive. The money is made off of alumni cheering on their alma maters much moreso than it is off the backs of star players.
If that's so, then why don't the pro's draft the players from NFL Europe.

Are they in NFL Europe because they don't value an education, or are they there because they already got their education and weren't good enough to get drafted? Is NFL Europe even still around?
Most of them come from Europe.  The NFL and NBA have a great free farm system.  They don't want to lose that.  If the best athletes went into a semi-pro like baseball, college football and basketball would not be very well watched.  Maybe some students and relatives would enjoy the sport.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #309 on: March 31, 2014, 09:39:10 PM »
Serious question, do any other minor leagues have unions?

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« Reply #310 on: March 31, 2014, 10:33:25 PM »
Also, this may explain why pro soccer is not a top sport in the USA.

It should be. Some of the worlds top paid athletes are soccer players. I ran across an article the other day that had the figures and showed that like 4 of the top 15 paid athletes in the world were all soccer stars.

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« Reply #311 on: March 31, 2014, 10:48:12 PM »
This will probably sound cold, but I don't really care. I'm all for professional leagues putting in their own requirements for professional players at their own behest. Does it suck for some athletes that they miss out on some dough by playing in college? Sure, but as a consumer I want the higher quality product. I know this is the football board, but college bball is more the focus because players generally jump much earlier.

The NBA would be a better league if it required that players went to three years of college. Players would be more mature and both the college and pro game would be better for it. They could institute all sorts of life training regiments, etc. (that they probably already still do). A lot of careers require a certain amount of education. I don't see why pro sports has to be all that different.

Only thing I would add is that they should just allow college players to make money off their own college fame.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #312 on: March 31, 2014, 11:04:48 PM »
This will probably sound cold, but I don't really care. I'm all for professional leagues putting in their own requirements for professional players at their own behest. Does it suck for some athletes that they miss out on some dough by playing in college? Sure, but as a consumer I want the higher quality product. I know this is the football board, but college bball is more the focus because players generally jump much earlier.

The NBA would be a better league if it required that players went to three years of college. Players would be more mature and both the college and pro game would be better for it. They could institute all sorts of life training regiments, etc. (that they probably already still do). A lot of careers require a certain amount of education. I don't see why pro sports has to be all that different.

Only thing I would add is that they should just allow college players to make money off their own college fame.
I think I've heard this somewhere; Sir Charles, maybe?  :cool:
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #313 on: March 31, 2014, 11:11:24 PM »
This will probably sound cold, but I don't really care. I'm all for professional leagues putting in their own requirements for professional players at their own behest. Does it suck for some athletes that they miss out on some dough by playing in college? Sure, but as a consumer I want the higher quality product. I know this is the football board, but college bball is more the focus because players generally jump much earlier.

The NBA would be a better league if it required that players went to three years of college. Players would be more mature and both the college and pro game would be better for it. They could institute all sorts of life training regiments, etc. (that they probably already still do). A lot of careers require a certain amount of education. I don't see why pro sports has to be all that different.

Only thing I would add is that they should just allow college players to make money off their own college fame.
I think I've heard this somewhere; Sir Charles, maybe?  :cool:

You're supposed to put u digg afterwards. Chuck is what brought it to mind, but it's been the basis of my feeling for a long time. I used to like the MLB rule, but after some convos w/ some buddies it's the conclusion I've come to. The marketability money was due to the convos.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #314 on: April 01, 2014, 08:11:50 AM »
Maybe these athletes just shouldn't have played college football if they weren't interested in a college education. The NFL's policies and lack of a minor football league really shouldn't be any concern of a group of universities.
The NFL and NBA need the colleges for the fame.  How many fans watch pro sports because of the college players they have.
Example:  RGIII.

Why should that matter to universities who are interested in fielding amateur athletics programs? I would love to see the NFL develop its own farm system. It would be good for the players who aren't interested in what the universities are offering. College football doesn't need elite players to thrive. The money is made off of alumni cheering on their alma maters much moreso than it is off the backs of star players.
If that's so, then why don't the pro's draft the players from NFL Europe.

Are they in NFL Europe because they don't value an education, or are they there because they already got their education and weren't good enough to get drafted? Is NFL Europe even still around?
Most of them come from Europe.  The NFL and NBA have a great free farm system.  They don't want to lose that.  If the best athletes went into a semi-pro like baseball, college football and basketball would not be very well watched.  Maybe some students and relatives would enjoy the sport.

I don't think college football and basketball would lose much viewership. They are already vastly inferior products, and people still watch. They have established fanbases, and each school graduates thousands of lifelong fans every year. The NCAA could go the ivy league route of not allowing scholarships at all (I'm not advocating that), and I know I would still watch. I care about how good the athletes are on my team relative to other college football teams. I don't care about how good they are relative to professional athletes at all.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #315 on: April 01, 2014, 08:14:44 AM »
i'm already sick of hearing about this stuff and it's just starting.   :dubious:

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« Reply #317 on: April 06, 2014, 08:26:03 PM »
WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE, OH YEA, EVERY rough ridin' CEO IN THE USA; WHEN TAKING ABOUT UNIONS.


Emmert: Unionization "grossly inappropriate"
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NCAA President Mark Emmert answers a question at Sunday's news conference at the Final Four.
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ARLINGTON, Texas -- The NCAA president called an effort to unionize players a "grossly inappropriate" way to solve problems in college sports while insisting the association has plans to change the school-athlete relationship.

Mark Emmert said Sunday that the NCAA wants to allow the big conferences with moneymaking teams to write their own rules, and those changes could solve many athletes' complaints more effectively than unionization.

"To be perfectly frank, the notion of using a union-employee model to address the challenges that exist in intercollegiate athletics is something that strikes most people as a grossly inappropriate solution to the problems," Emmert said at his annual news conference, held the day before college basketball's national championship.

He said it would "throw away the entire collegiate model for athletics."

The NCAA has spent the last three years writing up plans to change its governance structure to allow the five biggest conferences to have different rules from hundreds of smaller schools. Because smaller schools have fought against costly changes such as paying athletes stipends, the independence of the big schools could break a logjam.

Although the issues have been simmering for years, they have drawn attention in recent weeks with a lawsuit filed by former athletes about to go to trial and a National Labor Relations Board director's ruling that Northwestern football players should be able to form a union.

If the NCAA loses the unionization fight or the lawsuit, filed by former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon, it could drastically alter the relationship between NCAA schools and 460,000 college athletes.

But, Emmert said, nothing the NCAA might do in coming months will be a direct response to either of those legal cases: "Those are conversations that have been going on for several years now," he said.

Neither Emmert nor the administrators who joined him for the news conference sounded overly concerned about drawing up contingency plans in case unions start sprouting up in the aftermath of the Northwestern case.

"There's 50 different sets of rules for 50 different states," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said. "So, we're a long way from having unions. I think about it a lot. Haven't spent any time talking about it. I'm not going to speculate on it. It's a long way down the road."

Bowlsby and a panel that included presidents at Wake Forest, Kansas State and the future president at Ohio State agreed that many of the NCAA's thorniest issues, including paying athletes and improving their long-term health care, could be more easily resolved if the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC were given "autonomy" to draw up their own regulations.

"I think most of Division I memberships see that we're standing at a fork in the road," Kansas State president Kirk Schulz said. "What we're going to put out there again is not perfect, but I believe that the vast majority of members recognize that some of these things must change and that we need to do it rapidly."

The idea of giving the five big conferences autonomy -- lest they splinter off from the NCAA completely -- came up about three years ago after the full membership rejected Emmert's proposal for a $2,000 stipend for athletes that would help cover the gap between the value of a scholarship and the real cost of attending school.

Smaller schools, especially those that don't play football, can't afford that sort of stipend, while the bigger ones are trying to use some sort of pay-for-play model to keep peace with a growingly discontented group of players.

The biggest cash cow for the NCAA, however, is the basketball tournament that wraps up Monday. March Madness garnered a 14-year, $10.8 billion TV contract in 2010. The deal has grown increasingly lucrative over the years in large part because the tournament affords the little schools a chance to go up against the behemoths, and sometimes come out on top.

"We are committed to keeping ourselves in this one big division because of that," said Rita Cheng, chancellor at Southern Illinois, and the only small-school representative to appear with Emmert on Sunday. "As long as we can know that we can be competitive in the tournament and that our athletes can have opportunities, it's appropriate for us to say, `Your world is different than our world.'"

Emmert and the other leaders said they were blameless for the NBA's "one and done" rule that allows basketball players to go pro after only one year in college. Kentucky has five freshmen starters and at least a few of them aren't expected to return next year.

"I've been a pretty vocal in opposition to that notion," Emmert said.

The president conceded that issue, like so many others, is beyond his control.

That's life in the NCAA, which has 351 Division I members, with many different agendas. Though Emmert disagrees with those whose legal maneuverings might undo the NCAA, he recognizes the need for some changes.

"It's a group that makes decisions in a ponderous democratic process," Emmert said. "These people to my left are trying very much to change the decision-making structure, so they can make decisions more rapidly and address things in a more real-time way."
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #318 on: April 10, 2014, 03:03:10 PM »
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

"Hey, how'd he get that ride? His uncle bought it. How did his uncle buy it? Paid cash. Paid cash, how'd he do that? crap, we don't know, but here's the receipt where he paid cash, and now y'all ain't got crap. Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist."
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« Reply #319 on: April 10, 2014, 03:22:39 PM »
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

"Hey, how'd he get that ride? His uncle bought it. How did his uncle buy it? Paid cash. Paid cash, how'd he do that? crap, we don't know, but here's the receipt where he paid cash, and now y'all ain't got crap. Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist."

I like how they did the images in that post.

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« Reply #320 on: April 10, 2014, 04:28:36 PM »
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

"Hey, how'd he get that ride? His uncle bought it. How did his uncle buy it? Paid cash. Paid cash, how'd he do that? crap, we don't know, but here's the receipt where he paid cash, and now y'all ain't got crap. Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist."

I like how they did the images in that post.

Made the whole article seem extra fancy to me.   :thumbsup:

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« Reply #321 on: April 10, 2014, 11:17:51 PM »
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

"Hey, how'd he get that ride? His uncle bought it. How did his uncle buy it? Paid cash. Paid cash, how'd he do that? crap, we don't know, but here's the receipt where he paid cash, and now y'all ain't got crap. Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist."

I like how they did the images in that post.
One statement looks familiar, "Knock his rough ridin' head off"; now where have I heard that before.  :ROFL:
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« Reply #323 on: April 11, 2014, 10:28:27 AM »
You're better than this, Jon!  :shakesfist:

http://deadspin.com/the-daily-show-takes-down-the-ncaa-1562165262

Yeah, pretty dumpstery considering the complete lack of research and stats supporting how much money is spent on every athlete. 

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« Reply #324 on: April 11, 2014, 12:58:15 PM »
The SBNation article was a fun read, but hardly news.