next thing we'll know is that he works for DHS in a DHS Fusion Center.
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As have been reported on the other thread including all of the problems which many have had first-hand experience of, there needs to be something done. I could post you a five page description of all of the problems that I have experienced and many, many other stories I have heard about. They are out of control. Period. It is very frustrating to hear about all of the problems everyone has experienced, knowing what I've had happen to me, and others around me. There has to be something done. Immediately.
I have two friends who have basically had nothing done to them. They have been to one tailgate (last weekend). We sat and watched along with many others a group of guys that had their pickup toolbox acting as a cooler filled with beer. There were 4 cases of beer in it on ice, as well as 3 handles of vodka. They had it all confiscated and said they were ticketed. Don't know the cost. My friends which graduated with me from K-State, are no longer going to come to games. They are passionate fans and love K-State football. They try to come to 3-4 games a year. I realize most of you will say this is not a big loss. They are on a limited budget and hope(d) to be able to afford season tickets in the next couple years. They aren't coming anymore because they say they cannot afford to come and receive a ticket for drinking. How many other people are out there that this is the case?
There were 3 run in's in the past 3 months with the RCPD that didn't involve anything at a football game. In each case, I had friends that were handcuffed and had done nothing, and had not had one drop of alcohol. I'm more than infuriated. The treatment that each of them received was nothing less than awful. There could be a sexual harassment charge brought to one of the officers in one case, but that's a whole different story.
What I am asking of everyone is what can we do as a collective group?? Who on here has knowledge of what can be done legally? I noticed on the other thread of a "grand jury" petition that can be signed and submitted. What else? What are all of the rules, regulations, laws, etc. that can be posted around the tailgates so that everyone is aware of their "rights" when these pieces of trash are coming around and chasing people away?? There is already a rumor floating around to people in the KC area to stay away from K-State games b/c of this problem. It is serious. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Action needs to be taken now, not later. I, for one, am MORE than willing to step up and offer my time and effort to do something after what I've heard from everyone including Fitz and DScott. Any/All ideas?
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E-mail John Curry. I believe KU has it legal to consume in their "parking lot".
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I have already done that. However, John Currie and K-State aren't above the law. They cannot tell the police officers what to do/not to do. I think the police have done enough chasing off of potential season ticket holders and we have some people which I believe are willing to do something to stop that.
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Stop breaking the laws then the Police leave you alone...pretty amazing how that works.
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jaa1025, if people were being left alone when there wasn't any laws being broken, I wouldn't have this gripe. That's not AT ALL the case. The RCPD are harassing people when not breaking the law, handcuffing them, arresting them, etc.
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While I have never had a problem with the cops at the games or in general (thank the good Lord!) I think it's a bit of a stretch to "go after" the cops for enforcing the law.
Now please understand, I'm not defending anything that the cops are doing, and I know that it seems like there's a whole bunch of selective enforcement going on. But the bottom line is this; When people get busted, are they breaking the law?
The problem isn't the cops (although many of their actions are a part of the over-all problem) The main problem is the law. Change the law, then we don't have anything to worry about.
Write your local elected official and see if they could introduce an amendment to the no-alcohol on state property law. If the local elected officials see that 20,000+ people suddenly write them or call them all concerned with the same issue, something will damn sure happen.
That is the solution.
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Originally posted by jaa1025:
Stop breaking the laws then the Police leave you alone...pretty amazing how that works.
1 Star.
Just because its been made a rule doesn't make it a just law. There is nothing wrong with adults of legal age responsibly enjoying a beer in the parking lot of a sporting event. You probably think Prohibition was a good idea in the 20's too huh?
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I guess I may have confused people to what I'm saying. I'm not saying we need to have a revolt against the RCPD. There needs to be responsible discretion taken with these "people" with badges. If there aren't larger fish to fry than making responsible adults pour out drinks at a football game tailgate, then we have WAY too many officers on that force.
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Bring beer on State property IS breaking the law, so is spitting on the sidewalk, it is enforced by the discretion of the officer. Not saying all officers are perfect people and do no wrong and I know their are some real scumbags. Their is proper channels to go down. Internal Affairs is in place to deal with situations you are describing if these people are being arrested and harassed as you say. Go through that route and if you think nothing is being done to your satisfaction the KBI has a whole division to investigate issues with other Kansas police forces. Just stop bashing the entire RCPD, I have family members past and present that are hard working individuals that do what they do, not to stop people from having fun at games just to be dicks but to protect and serve the public.
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Well if someone is going to address the issue, you better have a united issue. I see a group of people wanting something done about seemingly systematic harassment, and another group wanting to drink in the parking lot. IMHO, people wanting to drink should focus elsewhere, I think you will dilute the larger point that some are trying to make. I want to be able to piss in piss alley without fear of prosecution, can we make the cops stop ticketing for that too?
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Originally posted by jaa1025:
Stop breaking the laws then the Police leave you alone...pretty amazing how that works.
The police are breaking the law by conducting repeated searches that they should know are unconstitutional.
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This is about way more than just tailgates....RCPD abuse their powers on a regular basis and they are held accountable by no one.
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Originally posted by pkat12:
I guess I may have confused people to what I'm saying. I'm not saying we need to have a revolt against the RCPD. There needs to be responsible discretion taken with these "people" with badges. If there aren't larger fish to fry than making responsible adults pour out drinks at a football game tailgate, then we have WAY too many officers on that force.
So which laws should be enforced? I guess you just confused me more. So are you saying that police should only go after the "major" crimes and let the speeders drive as fast as they want, let people drink as much beer as they want anywhere they want? I am really having a tough time understanding what point you are getting at right now.
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Boyds-
I've found that a catheter is the only way to go. Football games, basketball games, power drinking in a bar, passed out for 2 straight days, etc. It doesn't matter.
I do agree with the 2 different arguments being talked about here though. I guess the one that I saw more involved drinking in the parking lot. A lot of the systematic harassment would stop for a whole lot of people, because the only time they are in town is for a game.
I've never heard of selective enforcement of any other laws, but I'm sure that if/when it does happen, it's usually pretty few and far between. Now, Director Shoen saying the things he did to the Aggieville Business Association is absolutely ridiculous. That needs to be looked into.
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Yes their are bad apple but the entire RCPD is not bad. If the problems were as bad as you people are making it out to be then RCPD would not have just got there accreditation renewed. If you have problems, stop bitching on a message board and report them. Their is a process that RCPD and KBI take very seriously and yet their are no issues? So is the KBI in bed with RCPD?