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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3675 on: August 21, 2018, 08:54:34 AM »
How would you know that a majority of bitcoin mining power is from hydroelectric plants?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3676 on: August 21, 2018, 09:35:57 AM »
How would you know that a majority of bitcoin mining power is from hydroelectric plants?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3681 on: August 24, 2018, 09:22:06 AM »
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3684 on: August 26, 2018, 11:25:52 AM »
Does the energy waste only apply to bitcoin? or all crypto currencies? Cause don’t most people think bitcoin isn’t scalable enough to function as a legit currency?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3685 on: August 26, 2018, 12:02:55 PM »
https://www.ofnumbers.com/2018/08/26/how-much-electricity-is-consumed-by-bitcoin-bitcoin-cash-ethereum-litecoin-and-monero/

Interesting and well written article.  I disagree with some of the opinions and out context statements in the article about why we need the power consumption to be that high.  I enjoy reading the hard numbers about mining in general tho.   :thumbs:
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3686 on: August 26, 2018, 12:16:57 PM »
Does the energy waste only apply to bitcoin? or all crypto currencies? Cause don’t most people think bitcoin isn’t scalable enough to function as a legit currency?

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Does the energy waste only apply to bitcoin? or all crypto currencies?

98% of the blockchain implementations out there today are a giant waste.  They all claim to be the next better version of Bitcoin.  The hard truth is that most of the other implementations will fail and nobody will care, but if Bitcoin fails then the entire ecosystem will fail and blockchain as a whole will die.

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Cause don’t most people think bitcoin isn’t scalable enough to function as a legit currency?

Blockchains are inherently terrible at scaling.  Block generation times, restrictions on transactions per second, potential centralization that could cause transaction censorship's, etc.  Bitcoin is the closest thing to digital gold in that using just gold as a currency is hard.  It's heavy, takes a while to move great distances, etc.  It touches on it in the article sys posted but Lightning Network is how Bitcoin will scale.  Layer 2 implementations that are built on top of the blockchain that can handle more transactions per second, while also having the security of the underlying network.

Bcash advocates think just increasing the block size is how you scale, which is incredibly stupid.  At some point the chain will be too big for an average user to maintain and only people with large amounts of capital will be able to run full unpruned nodes.  This leads to centralization and defeats the whole purpose of an uncensorable, distributed and open network.  Bcash also thinks 0-confs will help it scale and make it's transactions instant, which is also stupid because it opens it up to double spend attacks.

The article also talks about the number of merchants using Bitcoin and LN as a payment system and portrays it in a very negative way.  For one, LND which was the first lightning network implementation of the 3 major ones to release a mainnet beta only happened in like March.  We are just at the very beginning of layer 2 solution adoptions that will scale Bitcoin and make it a viable payment option as a currency.  These things don't get built over night, you don't want a piece of software that billions of people could use to have bugs and it not be secure.
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3687 on: August 26, 2018, 12:42:42 PM »
So, how do you earn bitcoin?  Isn’t this just a way for lazy-unemployed people to try to make $$?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3688 on: August 26, 2018, 12:51:28 PM »
So, how do you earn bitcoin?  Isn’t this just a way for lazy-unemployed people to try to make $$?

Miners earn from fees and the block reward.  The block reward halves every ~4 years(which is every 210,000 blocks).  It started at 50 BTC per block mined, halved to 25, and is currently at 12.5 BTC per block mined.  Paying a higher fee gives the miners a bigger incentive to include your transaction in the next block.

Currently you have to make a considerable capital investment to mine Bitcoin profitably.  You have to use ASIC chips and be running 24/7/365.  You have to have money to make money mining BTC, so it's not just lazy-unemployed people trying to make $$.
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3689 on: August 26, 2018, 01:02:31 PM »
But it’s basically buying a fast computer?  That’s why it’s essentially fake

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3690 on: August 26, 2018, 01:35:12 PM »
So, how do you make money with the internet?  Isn’t this just a way for lazy-unemployed people to try to make $$?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3691 on: August 26, 2018, 01:38:27 PM »
But it’s basically buying a fast computer?  That’s why it’s essentially fake

I thought you were actually trying to have an intelligent conversation, my mistake.
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3692 on: August 26, 2018, 01:53:43 PM »
I’m legit curious and I suppose I could google but, idc that much

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3693 on: August 26, 2018, 01:59:04 PM »
Ok, googled it.  Created by free software for literally doing nothing.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3694 on: August 26, 2018, 04:42:55 PM »
Cool.   :thumbs:
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3695 on: August 26, 2018, 05:56:27 PM »
Not gonna lie, I'm really looking forward to the friction between the irrational climate change chicken littles and the irrational crypto sci-fi morons
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3699 on: August 28, 2018, 11:17:14 PM »
Exactly! Burn baby burn because climate change isn't a thing! Dump toxic sludge in the oceans! Nuke islands and spread the radioactive waste worldwide! Set the forest on fire, WHO CARES! CO2 is my friend, a close one too! I huff rubber cement and car exhaust 10 times a day and it's fine, it's how I usually post!

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