Cap and Trade

[pike]

Someone please show a decent reason why this should be passed?

It doesn't help the environment, plus climategate showed that AGW isn't even real, so please....enlighten me.

[Jeffy]

So the investors in the Chicago Climate Exchange can make money?

[wetwillie]

I suppose so Al Gore can get a happy ending isn't much of a decent reason...

[Goldbrick]

Climategate didn't show that AGW is not real.

What it did do is ruin the credibility of many of the more important 'scientists' involved with the data behind it and show that science can be easily manipulated, much like anything else that exists.

That doesn't ruin AGW so much as render it much more suspect.

Which is reflected in the public opinion of no longer taking it that seriously.

[Saulbadguy]

Pollution is generally viewed as a bad thing, mmmkay.

[steve dave]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

[Saulbadguy]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

OT: I've heard old people say "I do my tradin' at Quik Trip" before.

[steve dave]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

OT: I've heard old people say "I do my tradin' at Quik Trip" before.

What does that even mean?  Shopping? 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Climategate didn't show that AGW is not real.

What it did do is ruin the credibility of many of the more important 'scientists' involved with the data behind it and show that science can be easily manipulated, much like anything else that exists.

That doesn't ruin AGW so much as render it much more suspect.

Which is reflected in the public opinion of no longer taking it that seriously.

I think what has ruined AWG is colder temperatures.

[Jeffy]

Pollution is generally viewed as a bad thing, mmmkay.

Yup.... CO2 is a major pollutant.  Please quit breathing.

[pike]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

Arrrr, I'll trade my 5 carbon credits to you so you can pollute more and not help the environment at all

[Sugar Dick]

Someone please show a decent reason why this should be passed?

It doesn't help the environment, plus climategate showed that AGW isn't even real, so please....enlighten me.

It's a regressive tax on the population ( a tax that affects the poor more adversely than the rich).  The idea is to create more poor people.  That way when the progressives use their class warfare rhetoric it resonates with more people and they get more votes.  Then they can create more taxes to create more poor people . . . rinse and repeat.

It's pretty simple really.  "Science" is something progressives discovered some time in the mid 60's.  Only they use it backwards, they determine their result and work their way backwards from there.  Just like the scientist in the movie Borat.  If they wanted to, they'd prove the sky is red and the sun is blue.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Someone please show a decent reason why this should be passed?

It doesn't help the environment, plus climategate showed that AGW isn't even real, so please....enlighten me.

It's a regressive tax on the population ( a tax that affects the poor more adversely than the rich).  The idea is to create more poor people.  That way when the progressives use their class warfare rhetoric it resonates with more people and they get more votes.  Then they can create more taxes to create more poor people . . . rinse and repeat.

It's pretty simple really.  "Science" is something progressives discovered some time in the mid 60's.  Only they use it backwards, they determine their result and work their way backwards from there.  Just like the scientist in the movie Borat.  If they wanted to, they'd prove the sky is red and the sun is blue.

Actually, "science" has been part of progressivism for a long, long time.  Remember eugenics?  That was a progressive-promoted "science."

[sonofdaxjones]

The roots of the global warming "movement" are clearly traceable back to the population control/depopulation propenents.

[steve dave]

AYE AYE CAP'N (trade)!

[Brock Landers]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

Arrrr, I'll trade my 5 carbon credits to you so you can pollute more and not help the environment at all

This.  Cap and Trade only works in theory, the reality is that companies can simply buy the right to continue to pollute.  There is no real reduction in emissions, just a shifting of huge amounts of money for the carbon credits.

[Jeffy]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

Arrrr, I'll trade my 5 carbon credits to you so you can pollute more and not help the environment at all

This.  Cap and Trade only works in theory, the reality is that companies can simply buy the right to continue to pollute.  There is no real reduction in emissions, just a shifting of huge amounts of money for the carbon credits.

So investors in the Chicago Carbon Exchange, like Al Gore, Barack Obama, et al. make out like bandits.

[pike]

This sums it up, goemawers....

[Sugar Dick]

When I hear seomeone say "cap and trade" I hear "Cap'n Trade" like, a pirate.  Kinda lol to myself on the inside about how this pirate must really do well trading his plundered goods across the seven seas or whatever. 

Arrrr, I'll trade my 5 carbon credits to you so you can pollute more and not help the environment at all

This.  Cap and Trade only works in theory, the reality is that companies can simply buy the right to continue to pollute.  There is no real reduction in emissions, just a shifting of huge amounts of money for the carbon credits.

That's the tax part.  It's immediately passed on to the consumer.  Just like a VAT.  It hurts the people with the least discretionary income the most, the poor.