That guy that was Trump’s campaign manager for two months

[sonofdaxjones]

So for purposes of our publication, is the talking point:
1.) that's not a crime!
2.) Trump hardly knew that dude, he was only there 2 months!
3.) but Hillary

We need to get the formatting straight

Just using precedence as our guide here.  John Edwards, a million bucks . . . "campaign laws not applicable'.

Obama's co-campaign chair gets convicted of campaign fund crimes a couple of years later . . . no way Obama could know that he was that kind of guy, big circle, POTUS knows lots of people etc. etc. etc and what not.   Obama campaign fined for not accounting for contributions properly . . . nothing to see here.

I need some clarification, Edwards went down for that though right?  I think the Obama thing was the right result. 

I would say just wait for Cohen's testimony about whether Trump knew about it/directed it.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0531/Is-John-Edwards-verdict-the-last-straw-for-campaign-finance

[Dugout DickStone]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

[sonofdaxjones]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

The best part is that Cohen was represented by the Clinton's favorite lawyer, and now he's out there spewing claims with no evidence as of yet that you LibBots are eating up.

I mean, this set up is beautiful, brave-o, LibBot nation.

[Dugout DickStone]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

The best part is that Cohen was represented by the Clinton's favorite lawyer, and now he's out there spewing claims with no evidence as of yet that you LibBots are eating up.

I mean, this set up is beautiful, brave-o, LibBot nation.

I think Cohen would disagree that was the best part

[sonofdaxjones]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

The best part is that Cohen was represented by the Clinton's favorite lawyer, and now he's out there spewing claims with no evidence as of yet that you LibBots are eating up.

I mean, this set up is beautiful, brave-o, LibBot nation.

I think Cohen would disagree that was the best part

He's one guy.   You've got the Clinton's bag man working the TV circuit right now (BTW, he'd also like you to contribute to Cohen's defense fund if you have some extra cash, Dug). 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Can we please all try to keep our threads a little better organized? We've got a Russian COLUSION () thread. We've got this Paul Manafort () thread. And now SD just set up a new Cohen thread ().

Come on guys, we all need to do our part.

[sys]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

edwards had a better array of facts on his side.  because no one raided his attorney's office.

[Dugout DickStone]

Apparently Cohen should have hired Edward's counsel

The best part is that Cohen was represented by the Clinton's favorite lawyer, and now he's out there spewing claims with no evidence as of yet that you LibBots are eating up.

I mean, this set up is beautiful, brave-o, LibBot nation.

I think Cohen would disagree that was the best part

He's one guy.   You've got the Clinton's bag man working the TV circuit right now (BTW, he'd also like you to contribute to Cohen's defense fund if you have some extra cash, Dug).

Can I deduct it?

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1032463982408425472

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/1032261900099354630

[sonofdaxjones]

Man, will be fantastic watching the meltdown run into that gazillion gallons of jet fuel if that happens. 

[LickNeckey]

 

Paul Manafort. He’s on trial for tax evasion and related charges from over a decade ago? Somehow this is part of the special counsel investigation but it’s tough to understand how. Case has gone to jury. And the jury is now asking for definition of “reasonable doubt.” 

 

[Cire]

nobody has ever done anything wrong ever because someone else has done something similar and didn't get in trouble for it.

Your ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I will prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt, that many people commit ________________________ every day and are walking free.  So my client cannot be guilty.

[LickNeckey]

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-for-cohen-michael-cohen-funded-account-promoting-sex-symbol-2019-1

[Spracne]

Pfffffffft lol

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[Kat Kid]

Will be absolute gold when Trump colluded with Russia and Cohen was tasked with it and that was the extent of the COLUSION along with just giving the NRA a bunch of money.

The funniest part is that more than anything, Anthony Weiner being a complete freak causing the laptop to get subpoenaed with "possibly new emails" coming out was a much bigger deal than any of this stuff.

Hillary is going to realize she blew it all on her own.  What an amazing tour through the absolute worst people in America.

[chum1]

that was the extent of the COLUSION along with just giving the NRA a bunch of money.

I don't know if this is merely part of your hypothetical. Given that you are a skeptic, though, I'm curious if you have any idea about how many contacts Trump people have had with Russian officials and Russian agents.

[sys]

is katkid mainlining glenn greenwald?  that would explain a good bit, come to think of it.

[Kat Kid]

I don't doubt that Trump and co. had lots of Russian contacts, but I still don't know what they actually got from the Russians that was some incredibly devious psyop that tricked the American people en masse in to electing Trump.

[sys]

I don't doubt that Trump and co. had lots of Russian contacts, but I still don't know what they actually got from the Russians that was some incredibly devious psyop that tricked the American people en masse in to electing Trump.

you should look into it more.

you're also conflating the idea of conspiring with a foreign power with winning the election.  whatever trump did or didn't get in exchange is not really the point.

[chum1]

I don't doubt that Trump and co. had lots of Russian contacts, but I still don't know what they actually got from the Russians that was some incredibly devious psyop that tricked the American people en masse in to electing Trump.

Out of all of the people on each side that could be getting all sorts of things, why focus this narrowly?

[Kat Kid]

I don't doubt that Trump and co. had lots of Russian contacts, but I still don't know what they actually got from the Russians that was some incredibly devious psyop that tricked the American people en masse in to electing Trump.

you should look into it more.

you're also conflating the idea of conspiring with a foreign power with winning the election.  whatever trump did or didn't get in exchange is not really the point.

I think I have a pretty good handle on it.

I am not conflating it, the entire story is a Thanksgiving plate where the mashed potatoes of Trump are touching the green bean casserole of Putin and the gravy is that Hillary would've won if we could just prove this case with the help of Mueller and the FBI! That is the story for the vast majority of the people following it. The idea that Trump will be found guilty of treason is, to me, a complete fantasy.

Look no further than the twitter feed of former emaw chunkles to see that most democrats now have an entire Q-Anon level conspiracy that they've spun themselves in to and decide if it may be better to just wait and see what comes then to declare that we know what happened. They think he is getting perp walked out of the White House! So, my skepticism is within this context.

I absolutely think Trump is a crook and I absolutely think he/his campaign colluded with Russia in a completely stupid and incompetent manner.

[Kat Kid]

I guess I'm curious as to chum1 and sys' theory of the case.

[chum1]

There's a lot to it. Here are some things that should be questioned just off the top of my head.

Trump seems very involved in Russian money laundering.
Trump parrots Russia talking points.
Trump advocates pro Russia policy.
Trump acts like Russia's lackey literally 100% of the time.
Trump people have had 100 contacts with Russian officials/agents.
They tried to hide and/or lie about all of the contacts.
Lots of super suspicious timing of these contacts.
Trump has talked privately with Putin five times and no one knows about what.

[sys]

I guess I'm curious as to chum1 and sys' theory of the case.

i think he committed crimes with russians, mostly money laundering type stuff and the russian govt is fully aware/participatory in those crimes and consequently trump has been and remains subservient to russian interests.

i also think russia helped his campaign much in the same way they've interfered in elections across europe (maybe more widely, but afaik every other country i've heard of has been in europe).  his campaign was aware of the help and did nothing to stop it and encouraged it in mostly indirect ways.

either of those would be sufficient for a functioning democract to remove him from office.  we are barely that, at best.  i hope he is criminally prosecuted when he leaves office.  a pardon would infuriate me.


the extent to which russian efforts influenced the outcome of the election is unknowable and unimportant.