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Bumping airline common passengers so big shots can fly.
« on: April 12, 2017, 08:08:57 AM »
Shameful what Uiznited Airliners did to the poor Chinese guy who just wanted to go home. Beating the hell out of him and dragging him off the plane so company guy gets his seat is sick.  If I buy a plane seat it should be mine to use.


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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 08:16:07 AM »
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2017, 08:39:27 AM »
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I wonder if someone had to pay >$100 more for a flight so that it was an airline not named United if they would stick to their moral guns. . .or take the deal.

My gut says the average person will always choose the cheaper flight no matter how they feel about the specific airline.

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2017, 09:12:04 AM »
A lot of great memes came out of this. That's the only thing I care about.

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 09:29:57 AM »
A lot of great memes came out of this. That's the only thing I care about.

That there are. Just a cluster for them.

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I wonder if someone had to pay >$100 more for a flight so that it was an airline not named United if they would stick to their moral guns. . .or take the deal.

My gut says the average person will always choose the cheaper flight no matter how they feel about the specific airline.

Probably true, equally true though would be how many instances that would actually be true. Unless it's a specific hub/destination, most flights are, shockingly, not that far off from each other. And honestly, the last time I flew United was Chicago-KC leg of an international trip about 2 years ago, and before that I think I was 5. All the other times it's all been either Southwest, Delta, or American. Really, the PR is just a nightmare for them, that's the real hot take. United was just barely getting over trying to turn their image around, and then this happens. Oh well, sucks to suck.
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 10:13:11 AM »
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More like crony capitalism. The contract allows United to "refuse boarding" - he was already boarded. So then they start auctioning the seats, which I'm fine with, until they decided they didn't want to pay any more than $800 and brought the gestapo in to crack some skulls.

I'm fine with the practice of overbooking flights in theory. It was actually invented by a prominent economist and has yielded the airlines something like $100 billion. But the tradeoff is that just like a casino, occasionally you gotta pay out.

What would be fun is if they made it a bidding process. Who will take $1000? The gentleman in the back. Do I have $900? And so on.
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 10:35:58 AM »
Reverse auction sounds kinda fun.

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 11:04:01 AM »
Reverse auction sounds kinda fun.

You know Southwest would make it fun. Oh those wacky flight attendants!
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2017, 11:20:22 AM »
I won't fly united unless it's the only option. If they aren't trying to kick you off the plane for over bookimg, they're cancellimg your flight bc it's underbooked and then stickimg you on standby for an overbooked flight.

eff them.
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 02:54:23 PM »
when a passenger purchases a ticket in good faith and the airline decides that they will not honor that ticket, not due to an act of god, not due to the behavior of the passenger, not due to safety considerations.  not due any externality, but solely because they believe it to be more profitable to transport another person in his stead, that is a failure of the free market.

when the free market fails, regulation may be the only solution.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2017, 03:36:40 PM »
when a passenger purchases a ticket in good faith and the airline decides that they will not honor that ticket, not due to an act of god, not due to the behavior of the passenger, not due to safety considerations.  not due any externality, but solely because they believe it to be more profitable to transport another person in his stead, that is a failure of the free market.

when the free market fails, regulation may be the only solution.

This may be one of the dumber things you've ever posted. Contracts are not a failure of the free market. Airlines are able to reduce ticket prices across the board because they can fly more efficiently with overbooking. When you buy a ticket, you contractually take the risk the airline won't be able to seat you because they overbooked, and in exchange you get a cheaper ticket. You want to end the practices of overbooking by regulation? Prepare to pay more money due to less efficiency.

The problem with United wasn't the overbooking. It was not honoring their contract and then using police force to save some bucks.
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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2017, 03:43:05 PM »
i didn't say anything about overbooking, you dumbass.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2017, 03:46:57 PM »
when a passenger purchases a ticket in good faith and the airline decides that they will not honor that ticket, not due to an act of god, not due to the behavior of the passenger, not due to safety considerations.  not due any externality, but solely because they believe it to be more profitable to transport another person in his stead, that is a failure of the free market.

when the free market fails, regulation may be the only solution.

the free market will sort all that out

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2017, 03:47:22 PM »
Contracts of adhesion shouldn't be confused with free market. I'm not aware of any airline that offers a guaranteed seat option on tickets.

What airlines should do (some may already) is say explicitly before you purchase a ticket: "This ticket does not guarantee you a seat. If a flight is oversold for any reason and you check in after all seats are spoken for, you will have to find another flight." The problem here, which I'm surprised has not gotten more play, is the sheer incompetence of United by realizing--only after all passengers were SEATED (not checked in, not preboarding)--that they needed extra spots in the flight for EMPLOYEES, who they surely knew well before would be on the plane.

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2017, 03:50:40 PM »
the free market will sort all that out

the market is hardly free and it's already demonstrated an inability to respond to the problem.
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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2017, 03:53:18 PM »
Aren't airlines as heavily subsidized and regulated as you can get without being government run?

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2017, 04:30:14 PM »
the free market will sort all that out

the market is hardly free and it's already demonstrated an inability to respond to the problem.

It has already responded plenty

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2017, 04:30:38 PM »
Aren't airlines as heavily subsidized and regulated as you can get without being government run?

I think you may be thinking of farmers

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2017, 04:39:19 PM »
surprised the bigger issue is being ignored - racism

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2017, 05:17:41 PM »
Contracts of adhesion shouldn't be confused with free market. I'm not aware of any airline that offers a guaranteed seat option on tickets.

What airlines should do (some may already) is say explicitly before you purchase a ticket: "This ticket does not guarantee you a seat. If a flight is oversold for any reason and you check in after all seats are spoken for, you will have to find another flight." The problem here, which I'm surprised has not gotten more play, is the sheer incompetence of United by realizing--only after all passengers were SEATED (not checked in, not preboarding)--that they needed extra spots in the flight for EMPLOYEES, who they surely knew well before would be on the plane.

It's usually printed on the ticket itself.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2017, 05:34:15 PM »
Contracts of adhesion shouldn't be confused with free market. I'm not aware of any airline that offers a guaranteed seat option on tickets.

What airlines should do (some may already) is say explicitly before you purchase a ticket: "This ticket does not guarantee you a seat. If a flight is oversold for any reason and you check in after all seats are spoken for, you will have to find another flight." The problem here, which I'm surprised has not gotten more play, is the sheer incompetence of United by realizing--only after all passengers were SEATED (not checked in, not preboarding)--that they needed extra spots in the flight for EMPLOYEES, who they surely knew well before would be on the plane.

It's usually printed on the ticket itself.

Which is pretty ridiculous considering you have to give them your money before they tell you the terms.

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2017, 05:34:40 PM »
If you have a printed ticket you deserve to get bumped.

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2017, 06:04:31 PM »
If you have a printed ticket you deserve to get bumped.

I had a United flight a month ago and it said that mobile boarding pass was not an option.

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Re: Bumping airline passengers by thumping so company guys can fly.
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2017, 06:10:26 PM »
I book united for flights I don't want to go on, expecting they won't happen.

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2017, 07:01:02 PM »
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