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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2016, 10:57:38 AM »
Members of today's military do not fight for my freedom

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2016, 10:58:52 AM »
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2016, 10:59:12 AM »
I think he would have so much more powerful a message if it were clearer.

What part do you feel is unclear?
It seems from his press conference, he doesn't even know.

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2016, 10:59:25 AM »
I think he would have so much more powerful a message if it were clearer.

What's unclear?  This wasn't the first time he's done it.  He was uncomfortable and conflicted with the ceremony given his feelings about the state of the country.  This became a thing b/c somebody noticed it this time, and he's been questioned about it.  His answers are very clear.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/49ers-Colin-Kaepernick-transcript-I-ll-9189548.php?t=537358b38c7d4f3860&cmpid=twitter-premium

http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Colin-Kaepernick-This-stand-wasn-t-for-me-9189627.php?t=5f5231edfd7d4f3860&cmpid=twitter-premium

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2016, 11:00:49 AM »
What a pickle

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2016, 11:01:30 AM »
I think he would have so much more powerful a message if it were clearer.

What part do you feel is unclear?

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People don't realize what's really going on in this country. There are a lot of things that are going on that are unjust. People aren't being held accountable for. And that's something that needs to change. That's something that this country stands for freedom, liberty and justice for all. And it's not happening for all right now.

so just like a protest against all unjustice in a general since?

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2016, 11:02:35 AM »
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The whole flag worship thing is very odd too
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2016, 11:03:53 AM »
i get a different perspective being around jehovah's witnesses fairly regularly #teamdowhatever

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2016, 11:05:06 AM »
Trim thx for those links. I think I was reading more his follow up stuff than the original Q and A.

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2016, 11:11:52 AM »
Trim thx for those links. I think I was reading more his follow up stuff than the original Q and A.

I think the quote you pulled was from postgame.  What I posted was from 2 days later at the sunday media session and after team meetings.

In any event, it's now clear enough for this guy:

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Center Daniel Kilgore, who has family members in the military, said he was initially upset about Kaepernick’s decision. However, the meeting helped him understand Kaepernick’s rationale and see his perspective.

“When it came out, to be honest with you, I took offense to it,” Kilgore said. “But after Kap stated his case today and seeing where he’s coming from, I do stand with Kap when he says enough is enough against crime, violence, discrimination and racism. I believe enough is enough.”

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2016, 11:13:20 AM »
i get a different perspective being around jehovah's witnesses fairly regularly #teamdowhatever

Like what? Everything I know about jehovahs witnesses I've learned from Dan soder
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2016, 11:14:14 AM »
did you guys ever see amazing grace and chuck? kid ended nuclear weaponry by protesting his little league game

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2016, 11:18:54 AM »
Kap'n the national anthem at sporting events, pledge of allegiance, etc generally triggers a good portion of americans.  stuff you'd normally just do because everyone else does.  stay seated sometime during these - strange to feel eyes just burning you

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2016, 11:25:04 AM »
Were you raised jw?
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2016, 11:27:01 AM »
nope, not in the least bit

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2016, 11:28:37 AM »
Ms 'bias?  :surprised:
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2016, 11:35:32 AM »
she was raised in it but chose not to be baptized as a teen, so is more or less "worldly"

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2016, 11:41:37 AM »
Very interesting. I'm always interested in learning about non-traditional religions
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2016, 11:58:49 AM »
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2016, 12:03:37 PM »
did you guys ever see amazing grace and chuck? kid ended nuclear weaponry by protesting his little league game


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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2016, 12:28:03 PM »
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tim tebow has every right in the world to do all the religious stuff he wants. i just agree with daniel tosh that it's ridiculous that he thanks jesus more than he thanks his offensive line

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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM »
I need someone who is in the "you better respect the military" clan tell me why they are so against people exercising the freedoms that the military is supposedly fighting for. Seems like a contradiction, no?

The most obvious answer is because the military did, and this is commonly considered disrespectful of those who risked life and limb defending that freedom.

So, exercising free speech in this manner is contradictory in and of itself.
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2016, 12:31:32 PM »
The dumbest thing about this, other than the incoherent message and the guy clearly being an ignorant moron, is the fact the country doesn't actually sanction police murdering people.
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Re: Stand and respect the flag ungrateful bastards
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2016, 12:52:07 PM »
I mean, I always stand and take my hat off. Veterans like my father in law take it super seriously. He's a good man who fought in Vietnam. If its important to him then that's enough reason for me

My dad is a Vietnam Vet, drafted at 18 years old, now he's a retired drill sergeant. He's happy that Kaep is actually taking a stand, muddled as it may seem, and not just cashing checks.