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« Reply #500 on: July 14, 2016, 03:33:40 PM »
You might be missing mir's point
You might be missing mir's point

i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.

Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

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« Reply #501 on: July 14, 2016, 03:35:39 PM »
i don't think you have any obligation to engage him, mir.
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« Reply #502 on: July 14, 2016, 03:41:50 PM »
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.

This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?

I acknowledge the history, what do you want me to fix and how, you wrote this crap not me.......

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #503 on: July 14, 2016, 03:45:41 PM »
If I missed mir's point it's because it was a stupid point and not worth engaging or wasn't clear.

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« Reply #504 on: July 14, 2016, 03:46:44 PM »
You might be missing mir's point
You might be missing mir's point

i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.

Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about
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« Reply #505 on: July 14, 2016, 04:08:28 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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« Reply #506 on: July 14, 2016, 04:17:54 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.

My take:

Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.

The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #507 on: July 14, 2016, 04:19:12 PM »
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.
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« Reply #508 on: July 14, 2016, 04:19:36 PM »
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
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« Reply #509 on: July 14, 2016, 04:20:02 PM »
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.
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« Reply #510 on: July 14, 2016, 04:21:24 PM »
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.

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« Reply #511 on: July 14, 2016, 04:22:51 PM »
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #512 on: July 14, 2016, 04:24:29 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.

My take:

Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.

The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant

The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #513 on: July 14, 2016, 04:27:27 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.

My take:

Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.

The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant

The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious(sic).

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #514 on: July 14, 2016, 04:28:07 PM »
yep, as soon as the civil war ended, whites and blacks have been equally treated ever since

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #515 on: July 14, 2016, 04:28:18 PM »
Yeah, slavery probably has nothing to do with systematic racism and race relations in this country.
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« Reply #516 on: July 14, 2016, 04:32:03 PM »
yep, as soon as the civil war ended, whites and blacks have been equally treated ever since

Quite sociopathic
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« Reply #517 on: July 14, 2016, 04:32:20 PM »
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

This quote just screams:

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« Reply #518 on: July 14, 2016, 04:34:21 PM »
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #519 on: July 14, 2016, 04:54:55 PM »
This country (or countries!) needs more segregation.  See Pete's "Breaking up the US" thread before it became ben ji's novela.

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« Reply #520 on: July 14, 2016, 05:29:47 PM »
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
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« Reply #521 on: July 14, 2016, 05:48:34 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
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« Reply #522 on: July 14, 2016, 05:50:47 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
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« Reply #523 on: July 14, 2016, 05:57:24 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
I think it has a bearing on where they are today.  Are we good now?
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« Reply #524 on: July 14, 2016, 06:05:50 PM »
i almost let an interesting nugget slide by.  emo, do you consider yourself to be spanish?
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