What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?

["storm"nut]

why do gay people frighten you, stormnut?

they don't. not one bit. I am just asking simple questions. I don't care how people live there lives. They can go to hell for all I care. I just want to make sure everyone is treated fairly.

so you're cool with gay marriage

More of a fan of Civil Unions as I believe marriage is a convent between god and the married couple.

What if two straight people have a different God than you do? Do you want to disqualify them from marriage, too?

Guess they can call is what ever they want. Marriage is a religious institution. If anything the government should not be using this word as it is a violation of separation of church and state.

[Rage Against the McKee]

why do gay people frighten you, stormnut?

they don't. not one bit. I am just asking simple questions. I don't care how people live there lives. They can go to hell for all I care. I just want to make sure everyone is treated fairly.

so you're cool with gay marriage

More of a fan of Civil Unions as I believe marriage is a convent between god and the married couple.

What if two straight people have a different God than you do? Do you want to disqualify them from marriage, too?

Guess they can call is what ever they want. Marriage is a religious institution. If anything the government should not be using this word as it is a violation of separation of church and state.

Marriage predates Christianity by thousands of years.

[Institutional Control]

why do gay people frighten you, stormnut?

they don't. not one bit. I am just asking simple questions. I don't care how people live there lives. They can go to hell for all I care. I just want to make sure everyone is treated fairly.

so you're cool with gay marriage

More of a fan of Civil Unions as I believe marriage is a convent between god and the married couple. If anything I wish governments would remove the word marriage from there official documentation no matter who is getting joined.

lots of folks say this but it's bullshit. I mean I've never see any politician propose this, and politicians spew bullshit pretty freely.

Why does it have to be marriage. All marriages are civil unions but not all civil unions are marriages. Solved easy.

Why are you so hung up on words? So, let's pretend the government decided to go to all the trouble of renaming everything from marriage to civil unions. And they offer civil unions to gays and straights alike. Then, churches "marry" people. There are already churches that marry gay people. And if there wasn't, I would invent a church that would.

[michigancat]

And if you call it marriage for straight people, you call it marriage for gays, too. I mean if it's just a word that gays shouldn't care about, it's just a word straights shouldn't care about, either. Oh but they do care. (both sides)

[puniraptor]

Stormy, when you have your self-wedding with there be dancing and an open bar?

[CNS]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

["storm"nut]

basically, i think stormnut started this thread to say that if 2 dudes are gay and wanna live gay together, then he needs to witness them doing it raunchy butt-style.

but if one of the gay men had straight sex at one time does that disqualify them from gay marriage?

How is the simplicity missing you?  Marry who you like.  it is no one else's business.

So you are good with abolishing that laws on insest, marring minors, on marring more than one person.

[puniraptor]

nope!

["storm"nut]

Stormy, when you have your self-wedding with there be dancing and an open bar?

of course

[CNS]

basically, i think stormnut started this thread to say that if 2 dudes are gay and wanna live gay together, then he needs to witness them doing it raunchy butt-style.

but if one of the gay men had straight sex at one time does that disqualify them from gay marriage?

How is the simplicity missing you?  Marry who you like.  it is no one else's business.

So you are good with abolishing that laws on insest, marring minors, on marring more than one person.

Minors don't fit the argument.  on the others, whatevs.  doesn't effect me.

[puniraptor]

the fact that you think two adult consenting homosexuals in love is the same thing as an adult man and a 12 year old in love really says alot about where your argument is coming from.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm still waiting on the "marry your dog" argument. It should be coming at any time now.

["storm"nut]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

["storm"nut]

the fact that you think two adult consenting homosexuals in love is the same thing as an adult man and a 12 year old in love really says alot about where your argument is coming from.

No it was in direct response to the comment of letting people marry who ever they want. Don't condone any of those.

[CNS]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Now, you are being inconsistent.

I mean, if you are allowed to limit someone's rights based on your own moral beliefs, why stop at marriage?  I mean, the right to fire gay ppl exists now, so it's not like you would be taking something away. 

Why one and not the other?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Unfortunately, the state of Kansas does.

["storm"nut]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Unfortunately, the state of Kansas does.

In the state of Kansas you don't have to give any reason for why you fire someone.If they say they fire someone because they are gay that can sue and win.

["storm"nut]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Now, you are being inconsistent.

I mean, if you are allowed to limit someone's rights based on your own moral beliefs, why stop at marriage?  I mean, the right to fire gay ppl exists now, so it's not like you would be taking something away. 

Why one and not the other?
/quote]

I have said I am for Civil Unions. Don't know how I am be inconsistent.

[Institutional Control]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Unfortunately, the state of Kansas does.

In the state of Kansas you don't have to give any reason for why you fire someone.If they say they fire someone because they are gay that can sue and win.

If they don't need a reason, how could someone sue and win?

["storm"nut]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Unfortunately, the state of Kansas does.

In the state of Kansas you don't have to give any reason for why you fire someone.If they say they fire someone because they are gay that can sue and win.

If they don't need a reason, how could someone sue and win?

If they state in public or writing that they are firing that person because they are gay. Most employers are smart in right to work states that they just tell you your fired and that is the end of it.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I could have sworn the Preservation of Religious Freedom Act passed in Kansas last year, but I guess it didn't. Good for Kansas.

[puniraptor]

which dinosaur would you most like to gay marry? I would go with stud Utahraptor.

[Institutional Control]

Bigots are so interesting to me. 

Stormy, please defend the right to fire gay ppl too. 

Ready, go.

that is wrong. Can't defend an indefensible act.

Unfortunately, the state of Kansas does.

In the state of Kansas you don't have to give any reason for why you fire someone.If they say they fire someone because they are gay that can sue and win.

If they don't need a reason, how could someone sue and win?

If they state in public or writing that they are firing that person because they are gay. Most employers are smart in right to work states that they just tell you your fired and that is the end of it.

Yeah, you're wrong.

[Rage Against the McKee]

which dinosaur would you most like to gay marry? I would go with stud Utahraptor.

Apatosaurus

["storm"nut]

I could have sworn the Preservation of Religious Freedom Act passed in Kansas last year, but I guess it didn't. Good for Kansas.

Nope just 2 days ago. and I am not sure that firing someone that is gay is applicable.