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Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 02, 2017, 06:00:10 AM
Pray
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 02, 2017, 06:01:14 AM
the very worst
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 02, 2017, 06:14:39 AM
the very worst
50+ dead
200+ wounded
Sad.
I am not going to post anymore today.  Too bummed to do so.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 06:19:05 AM
This is why other countries hate us.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2017, 06:25:14 AM
We should take that son of a bitch and tell him "YOU'RE FIRED!"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on October 02, 2017, 06:47:42 AM
Another mass shooting carried out by a white male? I'm shocked.

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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: ednksu on October 02, 2017, 06:55:26 AM
A little early to start the politicing here. 
Sad to see so many people die in such a horrible way. 

I hope we don't have any Vegas cats who are effected.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 02, 2017, 07:24:36 AM
when measuring one's reaction to this, it is very important to remember that this is a country that decided it was totally fine with 20 first graders being executed in their classrooms
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2017, 08:12:06 AM
jesus  :frown:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
:frown:
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 08:24:04 AM
Sad that so many are dead an wounded.

Sad that there is basically zero chance the country will come together over this regardless of any information that comes out.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 08:28:32 AM
Has anyone been able to parcel out the motivations for this terror attack?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2017, 08:30:19 AM
there are a bunch of videos out there. it sounds like a vietnam movie. definitely a submachine gun
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 08:33:16 AM
Has anyone been able to parcel out the motivations for this terror attack?

Not that I've been able to find, but hopefully with Prime we'll get it in a few days.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 02, 2017, 08:41:43 AM
Has anyone been able to parcel out the motivations for this terror attack?

If I had to guess I would say it was "Big Green Tractor".
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 08:44:29 AM
Possibly some type of Country Singer feud? :dunno:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 08:53:41 AM
when measuring one's reaction to this, it is very important to remember that this is a country that decided it was totally fine with 20 first graders being executed in their classrooms
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 09:48:45 AM
I mean, might as well put it down

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 02, 2017, 09:52:30 AM
when measuring one's reaction to this, it is very important to remember that this is a country that decided it was totally fine with 20 first graders being executed in their classrooms
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 02, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
President Trump was excellent in his remarks this morning
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 02, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
Pray
this may annoy me more than any other thing on fb. link to article talking about shooting followed by prayers for _insert whichever place had something happen recently_
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: everyone shut up on October 02, 2017, 09:59:54 AM
Unbelievable that some of you can make jokes about this.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 02, 2017, 10:01:14 AM
Pray
this may annoy me more than any other thing on fb. link to article talking about shooting followed by prayers for _insert whichever place had something happen recently_
.

Grow up, perhaps?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2017, 10:01:56 AM
The shooter was so far away. 400 yards.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 02, 2017, 10:02:26 AM
Pray
this may annoy me more than any other thing on fb. link to article talking about shooting followed by prayers for _insert whichever place had something happen recently_
.

Grow up, perhaps?
what does it accomplish?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
I mean, might as well put it down

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086

Timing may seem insensitive, but this is a retread article they did after another shooting. Point is increasingly valid and I really hope people think about it instead of acting like their political party needs to come out of this with a win.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 10:18:58 AM
I mean, might as well put it down

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086

Timing may seem insensitive, but this is a retread article they did after another shooting. Point is increasingly valid and I really hope people think about it instead of acting like their political party needs to come out of this with a win.
I'd say good luck with that. I mean ERIII is already pumped it's a white guy. There needs to be massive changes to gun laws and I think it will help a bit, but that damn ole black market will always be there.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 10:23:17 AM
President Trump was excellent in his remarks this morning

Did he call it terrorism? I seem to recall a sizeable portion of people in this country losing their crap when Obama didn't label San Bernardino terrorism.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
I think you know why that was MIR...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 02, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
If that isn't terrorism....
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: ednksu on October 02, 2017, 10:56:40 AM
Trumps remarks were about a 6 or 7/10.  Far from rough ridin' excellent.  He read is statement and didn't do any of his usual asides that eff up his prepared speeches.  It was an okay speech full of religious colloquialisms and platitudes about strength.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
Brown person kills people
ISIS: We did it!
Americans: EXTREME ISLAMIC TERRORISTS

Wypipo kills
ISIS: We did it!
Americans: LIARS
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 11:35:59 AM
Did ISIS claim credit?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 11:39:56 AM
Quote
Islamic state claims Las Vegas shooting, U.S. officials skeptical

Islamic State claimed responsibility for a shooting in which a 64-year-old American man killed at least 50 people and wounded more than 400 in Las Vegas, but U.S. officials said there was no evidence so far linking the gunman to any international militant group.

In its claim, Islamic State said the gunman had converted to Islam a few months ago, according to the group's news agency Amaq.

U.S. officials said American security agencies were examining the claim of responsibility.

"The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition," Amaq news agency said in reference to the U.S.-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East.

U.S. authorities said the gunman, who lived in a retirement home in Mesquite, Nevada, and was armed with more than 10 rifles, opened fire on a Las Vegas country music festival on Sunday night from a 32nd-floor window. (Full Story)

The man, identified by police as Stephen Paddock, killed himself before police entered the hotel room he was shooting from, police said.

Two senior U.S. government officials told Reuters that Paddock's name was not on any database of suspected terrorists. There was reason to believe that Paddock had a history of psychological problems, one official said.

(Reporting by Ali Abdelaty and Arwa Gaballa in Cairo and Mark Hosenball in Washington; Editing by Ahmed Aboulenein and Grant McCool)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 02, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
Now that would be pretty WTF
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 11:52:00 AM
I don't pay that close attention, but I cannot think of any instances of ISIS claiming responsibility for something and getting debunked, although they may be in desperation mode at this point.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 02, 2017, 11:54:34 AM
I am not even going to try and guess on this one. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
I mean, might as well put it down

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086

Timing may seem insensitive, but this is a retread article they did after another shooting. Point is increasingly valid and I really hope people think about it instead of acting like their political party needs to come out of this with a win.

That's why I put it on here. I know it's a retread, because each of these damn incidents are a retread of the same bullshit again and again. I put it here cause we'll see the same dumbass cycle of "oh T's and P's" then politicize it based off of white guy/black guy/christian/muslim/etc who did the shooting, and then it becomes a gun argument, no one budges, and then we wait 1-2 months a bam we're back here all again. I'll keep posting it right away after each event cause we'll do it again cause we don't want to actually do anything. I want it to be a reminder of how ultimately hopeless it is under our current society. If we as a society end up ultimately valuing owning guns carte blanche as a symbol of freedom and a protection from tyranny more than trying to properly regulate, train, or do comprehensive background check and other things to protect lives of people and children going to school (spoiler alert, we clearly time and again have chosen the former), than you will keep having these and you shouldn't be surprised or taken aback by it at all, and offering T's and P's is practically an insult to the family and friends of the victims.

I'm tired of it, tired of T's and P's. We all are willing to do the P's but no one really wants to T's without rocking the boat, so we wait until the next, new-new-new-new biggest mass shooting in US history. Might as well start the clock. What a sad, hollow, and worthless society we live in. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 02, 2017, 12:04:17 PM
Pray
this may annoy me more than any other thing on fb. link to article talking about shooting followed by prayers for _insert whichever place had something happen recently_
I said I was not going to post.  To non believers pray is folly.  Many at that concert were praying.  Some likely got killed.  Evil is an equal opportunity victimizer regardless of belief.  The difference between Christians we know regardless how we die we will be in heaven.  I feel bad for those who don't believe and have this peace.

Instead of letting people grieve, left hating zealots are bashing religious folk. They are using tragedy to push their agendas calling for gun control.  No hew and crew when Democrat nut tried to murder Republican congressmen and congresswomen.  We gathered in places of worship and gathered in prayer after 9/11.   Sad pepole are so petty and hateful to attack other people - are they a step away from snapping and killing?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-warren-thoughts-and-prayers/
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2017, 12:07:13 PM
everyone watch the videos

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/eyewitness_accounts_of_the_las_vegas_shooting.html
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 02, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Are you proud to be a progressive?
Hayley Geftman-Gold, the CBS network's vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 02, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Pray
this may annoy me more than any other thing on fb. link to article talking about shooting followed by prayers for _insert whichever place had something happen recently_
I said I was not going to post.  To non believers pray is folly.  Many at that concert were praying.  Some likely got killed.  Evil is an equal opportunity victimizer regardless of belief.  The difference between Christians we know regardless how we die we will be in heaven.  I feel bad for those who don't believe and have this peace.

Instead of letting people grieve, left hating zealots are bashing religious folk. They are using tragedy to push their agendas calling for gun control.  No hew and crew when Democrat nut tried to murder Republican congressmen and congresswomen.  We gathered in places of worship and gathered in prayer after 9/11.   Sad pepole are so petty and hateful to attack other people - are they a step away from snapping and killing?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-warren-thoughts-and-prayers/

He feels bad for those who don't have his religion. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
To assorted posters engaging in assorted dumbassery:

1. There is no credible evidence that this was an act of terrorism - i.e. promoted by religious or political aims. So stop being a jackass.

2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

3. There will be plenty of time in the next days and weeks to stake out your arguments and political positions once you learn more facts. For now, stop being a jackass.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: stunted on October 02, 2017, 12:43:04 PM
what the eff
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJF8ogVAAIELwx.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2017, 12:52:37 PM
2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

if you would have watched any of the videos you would know that it was most definitely a submachine gun, which of course is illegal. also i'm not sure who you are telling to stop being a jackass.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
Plus gun control is typically geared towards controlling illegal as well as legal firearms...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 12:56:35 PM
2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

if you would have watched any of the videos you would know that it was most definitely a submachine gun, which of course is illegal. also i'm not sure who you are telling to stop being a jackass.

<inserts politics into thread>

Hey Jackasses! Stop being political! Jackasses...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 12:57:43 PM
To assorted posters engaging in assorted dumbassery:

1. There is no credible evidence that this was an act of terrorism - i.e. promoted by religious or political aims. So stop being a jackass.

2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

3. There will be plenty of time in the next days and weeks to stake out your arguments and political positions once you learn more facts. For now, stop being a jackass.

Good grief.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
3. There will be plenty of time in the next days and weeks to stake out your arguments and political positions once you learn more facts. For now, stop being a jackass.

Hey man, eff you

Sickening. We need stricter Islamic extremism control laws in this country.

Hillary Clinton wants weakness and non vigilance. Never been a more important choice in 2016.

Notice the trend of children of immigrants being the radicals drawn to Jihad?

Yes. Specifically Muslim immigrants. But let's blame guns.

"These kids today" are both more socially connected but the connections are increasingly empty. Patriotism is on the decline among young people, thanks in large part to public education. We are increasingly a society without firm convictions. People naturally yearn for allegience to something bigger than themselves. If we're not going to provide it - someone else will. It's a great recruiting opportunity for ISIS. Throw in a dash of batshit crazy Islamic extremism and you've got a serious problem.

But let's just make it harder for everyone to own guns.

You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
To assorted posters engaging in assorted dumbassery:

1. There is no credible evidence that this was an act of terrorism - i.e. promoted by religious or political aims. So stop being a jackass.

2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

3. There will be plenty of time in the next days and weeks to stake out your arguments and political positions once you learn more facts. For now, stop being a jackass.

"‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens" jackasses
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 02, 2017, 01:07:25 PM
I don't care how conservative you are, if you can't see a problem when a person can have an automatic weapon (or semi automatic?) and gun down hundreds from a balcony then I don't know how to help you. Its incredibly disturbing and sad that these acts of terrorism with mass casualties continue to happen in our country.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 'taterblast on October 02, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
you just hate the constitution, _FAN
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 02, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
I'm not sure any amount of reasonable gun control would have kept this guy from getting some guns. From what I'm seeing he had no criminal record and didn't seem crazy at all to people who knew him.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
The only logical solution to this problem is legislation that would cause all guns to vanish from earth, followed by legislation that erases the idea of a gun from all peoples' minds from now until the world floods from global climate change.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 01:31:29 PM
I don't care how conservative you are, if you can't see a problem when a person can have an automatic weapon (or semi automatic?) and gun down hundreds from a balcony then I don't know how to help you. Its incredibly disturbing and sad that these acts of terrorism with mass casualties continue to happen in our country.

Lots to unpack in these two short sentences....

1. Are you assuming that conservatives "can't see a problem" with a mass killing? It's sickening.

2. Whether the weapon was "automatic" or "semi-automatic" is one of the things we still don't know for certain unless it has been declared in the past hour, and is a highly relevant fact to deciding what, if any, "gun control" would have prevented this tragedy.

3. We have no credible evidence at this point that this was an act of terrorism by any rational definition of the word. Terrorism is violence driven by a political or social motive. Without such motivation, all mass killing would be considered terrorism, and that is dumb (and yes, let's all acknowledge this is exactly how Nevada law stupidly defines terrorism). This is not a matter of semantics: what constitutes terrorism may determine the type of action taken in response.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Until then, millions of people should be unfairly punished for the acts of a maniac.

While we're at it, tax rich people because I have decided they have too much money.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 01:32:47 PM
You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?

Cute. Very Jon Stewert-esque, as in "a really clever point, but only if you abandon all context and common sense." You go ahead and stake out the position that quickly labeling a muslim (religion) shooting (violence) up a gay nightclub (social) an act of terrorism is really no different than making a snap judgment as to this dude's motivations.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
I don't care how conservative you are, if you can't see a problem when a person can have an automatic weapon (or semi automatic?) and gun down hundreds from a balcony then I don't know how to help you. Its incredibly disturbing and sad that these acts of terrorism with mass casualties continue to happen in our country.

Lots to unpack in these two short sentences....

1. Are you assuming that conservatives "can't see a problem" with a mass killing? It's sickening.

2. Whether the weapon was "automatic" or "semi-automatic" is one of the things we still don't know for certain unless it has been declared in the past hour, and is a highly relevant fact to deciding what, if any, "gun control" would have prevented this tragedy.

3. We have no credible evidence at this point that this was an act of terrorism by any rational definition of the word. Terrorism is violence driven by a political or social motive. Without such motivation, all mass killing would be considered terrorism, and that is dumb (and yes, let's all acknowledge this is exactly how Nevada law stupidly defines terrorism). This is not a matter of semantics: what constitutes terrorism may determine the type of action taken in response.

:flush:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
3. There will be plenty of time in the next days and weeks to stake out your arguments and political positions once you learn more facts. For now, stop being a jackass.

Hey man, eff you

Sickening. We need stricter Islamic extremism control laws in this country.

Hillary Clinton wants weakness and non vigilance. Never been a more important choice in 2016.

Notice the trend of children of immigrants being the radicals drawn to Jihad?

Yes. Specifically Muslim immigrants. But let's blame guns.

"These kids today" are both more socially connected but the connections are increasingly empty. Patriotism is on the decline among young people, thanks in large part to public education. We are increasingly a society without firm convictions. People naturally yearn for allegience to something bigger than themselves. If we're not going to provide it - someone else will. It's a great recruiting opportunity for ISIS. Throw in a dash of batshit crazy Islamic extremism and you've got a serious problem.

But let's just make it harder for everyone to own guns.

You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?

Do you have something to say?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 02, 2017, 01:37:30 PM
2. We have no idea what weapons the shooter used, whether they were legally or illegally obtained, or pretty much anything else about the shooting, which means we don't know whether any additional "gun control" would have made a difference. So stop being a jackass.

if you would have watched any of the videos you would know that it was most definitely a submachine gun, which of course is illegal. also i'm not sure who you are telling to stop being a jackass.
Full auto weapons are not illegal. They can easily be obtained with the proper licensing. Frankly the only thing keeping them out of most people's hands are the extreme cost of said weapons.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on October 02, 2017, 02:09:47 PM
Man, I can't wait for Charlie Daniels to die.

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Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
MIR, I appreciate what you did, but you just spent way too much time to support a very obvious conclusion.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377

Yeah, she mumped up and gotta go. Good on clay for soldering on for white people, he's the hero you guys need.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 02, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 02, 2017, 02:28:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJF8ogVAAIELwx.jpg:large)
this crazy old bastard still puts on a helluva live show
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 02:30:57 PM
You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?

Cute. Very Jon Stewert-esque, as in "a really clever point, but only if you abandon all context and common sense." You go ahead and stake out the position that quickly labeling a muslim (religion) shooting (violence) up a gay nightclub (social) an act of terrorism is really no different than making a snap judgment as to this dude's motivations.

It's a distinction without a difference. You got caught being a hypocrite, just take the L.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 02:34:27 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377

Yeah, she mumped up and gotta go. Good on clay for soldering on for white people, he's the hero you guys need.
:buh-bye:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 02:39:18 PM
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/914920396721475585
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 02:44:21 PM
You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?

Cute. Very Jon Stewert-esque, as in "a really clever point, but only if you abandon all context and common sense." You go ahead and stake out the position that quickly labeling a muslim (religion) shooting (violence) up a gay nightclub (social) an act of terrorism is really no different than making a snap judgment as to this dude's motivations.

It's a distinction without a difference. You got caught being a hypocrite, just take the L.

So when I demonstrate your false equivalence, you just respond with "it's a distinction without a difference." That's not a very Jon Stewart-y response. Whenever he was called out for his bullshit he resorted to "hey, I'm just a comedian!"

In reality, there is a big difference. You either can't understand or can't acknowledge it. In the Pulse shooting, it was possible to surmise very quickly an act of terrorism based upon the religion of the shooter coupled with the target. There is no such evidence of terrorist motivation in the Vegas shooting... yet.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on October 02, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
Jfc white people


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
You had 8 more posts that were political in nature within 12 hours of you finding out about the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

18 more posts of a political nature within the first 24 hours of the San Bernardino shooting.

It's okay to immediately politicize these things if the clear enemy is a brown person?

Cute. Very Jon Stewert-esque, as in "a really clever point, but only if you abandon all context and common sense." You go ahead and stake out the position that quickly labeling a muslim (religion) shooting (violence) up a gay nightclub (social) an act of terrorism is really no different than making a snap judgment as to this dude's motivations.

It's a distinction without a difference. You got caught being a hypocrite, just take the L.

So when I demonstrate your false equivalence, you just respond with "it's a distinction without a difference." That's not a very Jon Stewart-y response. Whenever he was called out for his bullshit he resorted to "hey, I'm just a comedian!"

In reality, there is a big difference. You either can't understand or can't acknowledge it. In the Pulse shooting, it was possible to surmise very quickly an act of terrorism based upon the religion of the shooter coupled with the target. There is no such evidence of terrorist motivation in the Vegas shooting... yet.

Uh in the Pulse shooting it was easy for YOU to quickly surmise his motivations because he was a brown person, you aren't doing it here because this dude is white. Thank you for acknowledging as much. YOU chose to focus on the religion of the shooters in Orlando and San Bernardino, now you want everyone to be measured? Most mass shooters are white people, why aren't you hottaking what we need to do to stop white boys with guns? It's because you're a racist, Muslim hating sack of crap. Is that measured enough for you?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 03:09:01 PM
To be fair, the Pulse shooter said himself he was doing it for ISIS. Here we only have ISIS taking credit at this point.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 03:16:17 PM
To be fair, the Pulse shooter said himself he was doing it for ISIS. Here we only have ISIS taking credit at this point.

MIR isn't interested in "being fair." He's only got one note, and it's raaaacism.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
To be fair, the Pulse shooter said himself he was doing it for ISIS. Here we only have ISIS taking credit at this point.

KSUW didn't know that when he made those posts. There was a lot of speculation that the shooter was a closeted gay man and he was seeking revenge for some slight. This was two weeks after the shooting

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/us/was-the-orlando-gunman-gay-the-answer-continues-to-elude-the-fbi.html

It was three weeks after the shooting when the motive was revealed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omar-mateen-orlando-police-negotiator_us_57e5b13ae4b08d73b831834a

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
To be fair, the Pulse shooter said himself he was doing it for ISIS. Here we only have ISIS taking credit at this point.

MIR isn't interested in "being fair." He's only got one note, and it's raaaacism.

I'd be interested in you telling us how you were able to determine his motivation five hours after the siege was over, yet it took government officials three weeks to publicly do the same. You only had his name, Omar Mateen, and nothing else. Tell us all how you cracked the code without using race as the sole tool.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
:Wha:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
To be fair, the Pulse shooter said himself he was doing it for ISIS. Here we only have ISIS taking credit at this point.

MIR isn't interested in "being fair." He's only got one note, and it's raaaacism.

I'd be interested in you telling us how you were able to determine his motivation five hours after the siege was over, yet it took government officials three weeks to publicly do the same. You only had his name, Omar Mateen, and nothing else. Tell us all how you cracked the code without using race as the sole tool.

MIR: "It you were quick to conclude that a young guy named Omar Mateen shooting up a gay nightclub was probably a terrorist act, but you're not so sure of an old guy named Stephen Paddock opening fire on a country music concert was a terrorist act, you're a total hypocrite and racist."

Me: "Ok, I'll just stick to my common sense, and I'll likely be right, and you just go ahead and call me a racist."

Maybe some manifesto will emerge and this really will be an act of terrorism. Too soon to tell. But my judgment now is perfectly sensible, as was my judgment of the Pulse shooting.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 02, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
Wonder if those victims families are stressing out if this was terrorism or not?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2017, 04:12:09 PM
well it was terrifying just to watch the videos
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
well it was terrifying just to watch the videos
People who stop and take video of something like that amaze me. Like they have to have a screw loose or something. I'd be losing my crap.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
well it was terrifying just to watch the videos
People who stop and take video of something like that amaze me. Like they have to have a screw loose or something. I'd be losing my crap.

More like keep filming but agreed. It seems like most of the videos I've seen were people videoing the concert, and then the shots rang out. At least several of those though seems to be very shaky afterwards which tells me they didnt really have time to turn it off and just were reacting to the situation. But I have seen some that make it look like the person was very much trying to document a lot more after the shots fired.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 02, 2017, 04:28:25 PM
 all the idiots standing around holding their beers and pointing at the muscle flashes while everyone else is yelling at them to get down was more shocking to me
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bucket on October 02, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/914919058801172480
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: stunted on October 02, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
all the idiots standing around holding their beers and pointing at the muscle flashes while everyone else is yelling at them to get down was more shocking to me

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9da_1506955178

wat (not graphic)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 05:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/914919058801172480

What else would it be?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: treysolid on October 02, 2017, 05:23:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/914919058801172480

What else would it be?

the shooter knew every individual attending the concert and had a personal vendetta against each of them. obviously.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 06:38:34 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377

Yeah, she mumped up and gotta go. Good on clay for soldering on for white people, he's the hero you guys need.
:buh-bye:

That was amazingly quick
http://www.thewrap.com/cbs-exec-fired-deeply-unacceptable-republican-las-vegas-shooting/
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 06:51:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/914919058801172480

What else would it be?

Mass murder. A domestic act of terrorism would be like OKC. Violence in pursuit of political or social aims. I've not heard of any evidence of that at this point. Some would define terrorism as including any mass shooting, even if it's the product of somethig like schizophrenia. (In fact, that would be the overly expansive definition under Nevada law, not that that really matters). I think that is far too expansive, and dilutes what constitutes terrorism (which is what liberals would prefer to do).

But when Jared Lee Loughner started spraying bullets, even at a politician, that wasn't terrorism. That was just crazy. This isn't semantics. It matters because there are military, political, and economic things we can do to combat terrorism. There's not much you can do to combat your run of the mill mental breakdown.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-terrorism-mass-shooting-2017-10 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-terrorism-mass-shooting-2017-10)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/las-vegas-shooting-is-it-terrorist-attack-stephen-paddock/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/las-vegas-shooting-is-it-terrorist-attack-stephen-paddock/)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
What's important here is that we craft our criminal law system around the actions of maniacs so ss to minimize the rights and liberties of the law abiding citizens.

Just like the monarchs did in feudal Europe and Hitler and the othe fascists did after them.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 07:03:35 PM
Is it weird that when I saw the ss typo, I knew a Nazi reference was coming?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 07:07:14 PM
What's important here is that we craft our criminal law system around the actions of maniacs so ss to minimize the rights and liberties of the law abiding citizens.

Just like the monarchs did in feudal Europe and Hitler and the othe fascists did after them.

Also important to use this opportunity to make strained arguments that you're racist if you're withholding judgment on whether this was terrorism, but were quick to (correctly) conclude that a Muslim spraying bullets at a gay nightclub was terrorism.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 8manpick on October 02, 2017, 07:12:29 PM
Is it weird that when I saw the ss typo, I knew a Nazi reference was coming?
Pro-tip: not a typo
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
Weren't there numerous eye witness accounts the guy was screaming ala akhbar while murdering people in the gay club immediately after it happened?

This post facto "nobody knew for 3 weeks" seems completely contrived. I recall it being known right away. Just like the dude out in cali and his sick eff wife.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bucket on October 02, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
What's important here is that we craft our criminal law system around the actions of maniacs so ss to minimize the rights and liberties of the law abiding citizens.

Just like the monarchs did in feudal Europe and Hitler and the othe fascists did after them.

Also important to use this opportunity to make strained arguments that you're racist if you're withholding judgment on whether this was terrorism, but were quick to (correctly) conclude that a Muslim spraying bullets at a gay nightclub was terrorism.

I find the president's habit of immediately condeming attacks by brown people, and at least in one case mistakenly labeling it terrorism, bizarre. However, when it's a white guy there's either no condemnation or the feeling that they need to get all of the facts first.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 07:15:36 PM
Weren't there numerous eye witness accounts the guy was screaming ala akhbar while murdering people in the gay club immediately after it happened?

This post facto "nobody knew for 3 weeks" seems completely contrived. I recall it being known right away. Just like the dude out in cali and his sick eff wife.

Pssshh. You are racist if you are inclined to believe the purported first hand accounts of other obvious racists.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 07:17:07 PM
What's important here is that we craft our criminal law system around the actions of maniacs so ss to minimize the rights and liberties of the law abiding citizens.

Just like the monarchs did in feudal Europe and Hitler and the othe fascists did after them.

Also important to use this opportunity to make strained arguments that you're racist if you're withholding judgment on whether this was terrorism, but were quick to (correctly) conclude that a Muslim spraying bullets at a gay nightclub was terrorism.

I find the president's habit of immediately condeming attacks by brown people, and at least in one case mistakenly labeling it terrorism, bizarre. However, when it's a white guy there's either no condemnation or the feeling that they need to get all of the facts first.

Maybe you're right in certain instances. I dunno. But that's not the case here, or with Pulse Nightclub, or San Bernadino.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 07:19:32 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377

Yeah, she mumped up and gotta go. Good on clay for soldering on for white people, he's the hero you guys need.
:buh-bye:

That was amazingly quick
http://www.thewrap.com/cbs-exec-fired-deeply-unacceptable-republican-las-vegas-shooting/

What's amazing to me is how someone so highly educated as this woman was could also be so ideologically radical so as to basically be mentally ill. It is hard for me to fathom how crazy you would have to be to tweet something like that and not expect to be immediately shitcanned. A product of Columbia Law School.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
Weren't there numerous eye witness accounts the guy was screaming ala akhbar while murdering people in the gay club immediately after it happened?

This post facto "nobody knew for 3 weeks" seems completely contrived.

Sure, if you completely ignore the time frame and news articles I posted. The initial taking points were hate crime and gun control. Some people shifted the second they heard the dudes name. The motive wasn't revealed until three weeks later, that's a fact, bub.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bucket on October 02, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
Are you suggesting religious radicals may also be mentally ill? Interesting take from you.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
Nothing riles up fsd and ksudub like getting called on their racism
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 07:28:36 PM
This should end well for her.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914900359721701377

Yeah, she mumped up and gotta go. Good on clay for soldering on for white people, he's the hero you guys need.
:buh-bye:

That was amazingly quick
http://www.thewrap.com/cbs-exec-fired-deeply-unacceptable-republican-las-vegas-shooting/

What's amazing to me is how someone so highly educated as this woman was could also be so ideologically radical so as to basically be mentally ill. It is hard for me to fathom how crazy you would have to be to tweet something like that and not expect to be immediately shitcanned. A product of Columbia Law School.

What? LOL. Make no mistake, there is absolutely, positively no excuse for what this woman did and I'm all in with her being fired but your pious reaction is absolutely hilarious.

Your people do this crap EVERY SINGLE TIME there's a controversial shooting with a black victim . Bring up Chicago, bring up black-on-black crime, try to find any possible rationalization to excuse what just happened.

You calling for this dudes job. His white privilege allowed him to do this on air!
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/07/colin-cowherd-espn/colin-cowherd-sean-taylor
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 02, 2017, 08:28:35 PM
I don't care how conservative you are, if you can't see a problem when a person can have an automatic weapon (or semi automatic?) and gun down hundreds from a balcony then I don't know how to help you. Its incredibly disturbing and sad that these acts of terrorism with mass casualties continue to happen in our country.

Lots to unpack in these two short sentences....

1. Are you assuming that conservatives "can't see a problem" with a mass killing? It's sickening.

2. Whether the weapon was "automatic" or "semi-automatic" is one of the things we still don't know for certain unless it has been declared in the past hour, and is a highly relevant fact to deciding what, if any, "gun control" would have prevented this tragedy.

3. We have no credible evidence at this point that this was an act of terrorism by any rational definition of the word. Terrorism is violence driven by a political or social motive. Without such motivation, all mass killing would be considered terrorism, and that is dumb (and yes, let's all acknowledge this is exactly how Nevada law stupidly defines terrorism). This is not a matter of semantics: what constitutes terrorism may determine the type of action taken in response.

I think many conservatives can see the problem, but there is a choice to not address the problem with guns, especially these types of guns that are made simply to kill lots of people quickly. There is no reason sensible gun control legislation can't be drafted and passed in this country.

And per the argument, "gun control wouldn't have prevented this incident", yes you are probably right. And sensible gun control might not prevent it tomorrow, or next year, or even 5 years from now. But gun control legislation and at least partially changing the mindset towards guns, especially guns that only are made to kill lots of people, may prevent another tragedy of this sort 20-30 years from now. I don't believe that people capable of the evil it takes to perform these types of acts are going away, but I do believe that a movement to make it much more difficult to get the types of weapons that can kill on this scale will at least prevent something this terrible in the future.

Finally, I don't know the semantics of what defines terrorism and we can wordsmith it all we want to, but I can't see killing on this scale anything other than a terrorist act, no matter what the motivation.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 02, 2017, 08:29:39 PM
I told a guy today what he said was racist, he told me to eff off because he was born that way. :lol:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
I'd like to be as thoughtful and measured in my responses as _FAN someday.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Weren't there numerous eye witness accounts the guy was screaming ala akhbar while murdering people in the gay club immediately after it happened?

This post facto "nobody knew for 3 weeks" seems completely contrived.

Sure, if you completely ignore the time frame and news articles I posted. The initial taking points were hate crime and gun control. Some people shifted the second they heard the dudes name. The motive wasn't revealed until three weeks later, that's a fact, bub.

Eye witnesses v. MIR fake news
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on October 02, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 08:42:47 PM
I don't care how conservative you are, if you can't see a problem when a person can have an automatic weapon (or semi automatic?) and gun down hundreds from a balcony then I don't know how to help you. Its incredibly disturbing and sad that these acts of terrorism with mass casualties continue to happen in our country.

Lots to unpack in these two short sentences....

1. Are you assuming that conservatives "can't see a problem" with a mass killing? It's sickening.

2. Whether the weapon was "automatic" or "semi-automatic" is one of the things we still don't know for certain unless it has been declared in the past hour, and is a highly relevant fact to deciding what, if any, "gun control" would have prevented this tragedy.

3. We have no credible evidence at this point that this was an act of terrorism by any rational definition of the word. Terrorism is violence driven by a political or social motive. Without such motivation, all mass killing would be considered terrorism, and that is dumb (and yes, let's all acknowledge this is exactly how Nevada law stupidly defines terrorism). This is not a matter of semantics: what constitutes terrorism may determine the type of action taken in response.

I think many conservatives can see the problem, but there is a choice to not address the problem with guns, especially these types of guns that are made simply to kill lots of people quickly. There is no reason sensible gun control legislation can't be drafted and passed in this country.

And per the argument, "gun control wouldn't have prevented this incident", yes you are probably right. And sensible gun control might not prevent it tomorrow, or next year, or even 5 years from now. But gun control legislation and at least partially changing the mindset towards guns, especially guns that only are made to kill lots of people, may prevent another tragedy of this sort 20-30 years from now. I don't believe that people capable of the evil it takes to perform these types of acts are going away, but I do believe that a movement to make it much more difficult to get the types of weapons that can kill on this scale will at least prevent something this terrible in the future.

Finally, I don't know the semantics of what defines terrorism and we can wordsmith it all we want to, but I can't see killing on this scale anything other than a terrorist act, no matter what the motivation.

No offense, but these are platitudes and bromides. If you have a specific gun control measure to suggest, or want to discuss somebody else's specific proposal, let's do that. Anybody can say "let's all work together for sensible gun control." It's the specific policy that actually requires some thought. And it is particularly hard to make such s proposal in the wake of this tragedy before we have any idea what weapons he used or how he got them.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 02, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: EMAWican on October 02, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
Things that take me longer to do than buy any gun in Kansas (RL experiences):

Buy a beer at a crowded bar
Fill car up with gas
Get a burger and fries in a drive-thru
Buy Sudafed
Renew driver's license
Get a flu shot/vaccine
Fresh haircut
Setup a new router
Make a pot of coffee
Read a gE thread with WC influence
Google medical aliment and if I'm going to die/pregnant
Go thru checkout line anywhere at 5:30 pm
Drive three blocks
Find phone charger
Take a shower
Verify a God damned new direct deposit account
Make an artesian sandwich
Deciding on what show to Netflix and chill
Make a call to IT at work
Type this stupid ass post
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Weren't there numerous eye witness accounts the guy was screaming ala akhbar while murdering people in the gay club immediately after it happened?

This post facto "nobody knew for 3 weeks" seems completely contrived.

Sure, if you completely ignore the time frame and news articles I posted. The initial taking points were hate crime and gun control. Some people shifted the second they heard the dudes name. The motive wasn't revealed until three weeks later, that's a fact, bub.

Eye witnesses v. MIR fake news

I don't work for the FBI or Orlando PD.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:24:48 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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1. They're not here, this isn't a thread or board for victims and their families to grieve. If someone, including your hypocritical ass, opens this board and this thread, they know exactly what they're getting.

2. You are absolutely, positively the dead ass last person on this board to stake a moral high ground when it comes to sensitivity to death.

We all will agree on that if it makes you happy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 02, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

Overall a lot of this seems sensible, and there can be more done, but I never understand guys like k-s-u's fatalism towards it. There is no (no pun intended) magic bullet to stop these events, bad people will always do bad things, but we can do a lot of things to try to impede, slow down, reduce, and alter amount of high power high ammo count guns. There should be training, background checks, continual licensing and reevaluation to help hopefully weed out and reduce.

Hence also why I post my "nothing could have done to have prevented this says on nation where this occurs on a regular basis" post. We literally do nothing, all the time and it keeps getting worse. It's quite literally the definition of insanity.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 09:25:58 PM
Things that take me longer to do than buy any gun in Kansas (RL experiences):

Buy a beer at a crowded bar
Fill car up with gas
Get a burger and fries in a drive-thru
Buy Sudafed
Renew driver's license
Get a flu shot/vaccine
Fresh haircut
Setup a new router
Make a pot of coffee
Read a gE thread with WC influence
Google medical aliment and if I'm going to die/pregnant
Go thru checkout line anywhere at 5:30 pm
Drive three blocks
Find phone charger
Take a shower
Verify a God damned new direct deposit account
Make an artesian sandwich
Deciding on what show to Netflix and chill
Make a call to IT at work
Type this stupid ass post

You must be proficient in that background check form
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: EMAWican on October 02, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Things that take me longer to do than buy any gun in Kansas (RL experiences):

Buy a beer at a crowded bar
Fill car up with gas
Get a burger and fries in a drive-thru
Buy Sudafed
Renew driver's license
Get a flu shot/vaccine
Fresh haircut
Setup a new router
Make a pot of coffee
Read a gE thread with WC influence
Google medical aliment and if I'm going to die/pregnant
Go thru checkout line anywhere at 5:30 pm
Drive three blocks
Find phone charger
Take a shower
Verify a God damned new direct deposit account
Make an artesian sandwich
Deciding on what show to Netflix and chill
Make a call to IT at work
Type this stupid ass post

You must be proficient in that background check form
It's a one page form for the purchaser with all answers but one being "no".
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 09:35:35 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

Overall a lot of this seems sensible, and there can be more done, but I never understand guys like k-s-u's fatalism towards it. There is no (no pun intended) magic bullet to stop these events, bad people will always do bad things, but we can do a lot of things to try to impede, slow down, reduce, and alter amount of high power high ammo count guns. There should be training, background checks, continual licensing and reevaluation to help hopefully weed out and reduce.

Hence also why I post my "nothing could have done to have prevented this says on nation where this occurs on a regular basis" post. We literally do nothing, all the time and it keeps getting worse. It's quite literally the definition of insanity.

You misunderstand my position. I am in favor of sensible gun regulation, but that probably starts with enforcing the laws we already have. For example, it appears that this person was using a fully automatic weapon (not confirmed). We already have very tight regulation to get an license to own such a weapon, so it will be interesting to see how he got one. If he procured it illegally, we would then need to discuss how passing even more onerous laws will prevent people from breaking those laws.

Bottom line is that when someone says "we need more gun control" or "we need common sense gun control" in the wake of these tragedies, I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask "what, specifically, are you proposing, and how would it have prevented this tragedy (or the next one)?" That's not fatalism - it is reasonable inquiry.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 09:38:49 PM
Will be interesting to see what this Republican congress puts up to answer those questions KSUW.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
Hey, gun pipo, is it true that automatic weapons melt silencers?

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/914853465926639618

https://twitter.com/giannopoulis/status/915015716654415872
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 02, 2017, 10:05:10 PM
I’m not a gun expert but I believe that is correct.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
Whether true or not, Hillary's tweet was triple dumb.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 02, 2017, 10:11:03 PM
I want to hear more about how the shooter was functioning in real life the last few weeks, months and years with nobody thinking that he seems mumped up and getting him checked out by cops, let alone him being deemed adequate to get guns.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: OK_Cat on October 02, 2017, 10:21:35 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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1. They're not here, this isn't a thread or board for victims and their families to grieve. If someone, including your hypocritical ass, opens this board and this thread, they know exactly what they're getting.

2. You are absolutely, positively the dead ass last person on this board to stake a moral high ground when it comes to sensitivity to death.

We all will agree on that if it makes you happy.

You’re not any better than ksuwildcats. You’re both complete dumbasses that type novels to try and win an argument that you will never win. He’s super racist and at a deep level is perfectly ok with that. You’re also racist and also ok with that. So both of you should just stfu, because you’re making me hope that this thread turns into another fanning thread.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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1. They're not here, this isn't a thread or board for victims and their families to grieve. If someone, including your hypocritical ass, opens this board and this thread, they know exactly what they're getting.

2. You are absolutely, positively the dead ass last person on this board to stake a moral high ground when it comes to sensitivity to death.

We all will agree on that if it makes you happy.

You’re not any better than ksuwildcats. You’re both complete dumbasses that type novels to try and win an argument that you will never win. He’s super racist and at a deep level is perfectly ok with that. You’re also racist and also ok with that. So both of you should just stfu, because you’re making me hope that this thread turns into another fanning thread.


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If you're so offended, why do you keep reading and replying?
Have you ever apologized to people you may have offended when you mocked death just to try to look cool for message board strangers?

Thing is KSUW is standing up for his beliefs, as screwed up as they are. You are a faceless clown that said real regrettable crap about actual people who died for some message board yuks you never got. Now you come onto a politics board to chide people talking politics, you're too stupid to see the hypocrisy and irony.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 02, 2017, 10:36:59 PM
the police said something about a tool being used to make semi-auto guns automatic rather than the true method of shaving the receiver down(idk how to manipulate the receiver but i know someone who has done it to some FALs)

here is something called bump fire: https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7 (https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7) check out the magazines and what's going on at 3:20, fellow americans

this rough ridin' mechanism is worse: https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI (https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 02, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
No offense, but these are platitudes and bromides. If you have a specific gun control mental health measure to suggest, or want to discuss somebody else's specific proposal, let's do that. Anybody can say "let's all work together for sensible gun control" "let's all work together for sensible ways to address mental health." It's the specific policy that actually requires some thought even one iota of intent to actually address mental health. And it is particularly hard to make such a proposal in the wake of this tragedy before we have any idea what weapons he used or how he got them because conservatives don't actually give a crap about addressing mental health, they just want a way to deflect from the fact that they're okay with mass shootings if they can still hold big guns that make them feel like their dicks are less small.

fyp
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 10:56:22 PM
the police said something about a tool being used to make semi-auto guns automatic rather than the true method of shaving the receiver down(idk how to manipulate the receiver but i know someone who has done it to some FALs)

here is something called bump fire: https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7 (https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7) check out the magazines and what's going on at 3:20, fellow americans

this rough ridin' mechanism is worse: https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI (https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI)

My God. Why? What purpose?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 10:58:23 PM
Will be interesting to see what this Republican congress puts up to answer those questions KSUW.

Nice dodge.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2017, 11:04:49 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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unexpected post right here.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
No offense, but these are platitudes and bromides. If you have a specific gun control mental health measure to suggest, or want to discuss somebody else's specific proposal, let's do that. Anybody can say "let's all work together for sensible gun control" "let's all work together for sensible ways to address mental health." It's the specific policy that actually requires some thought even one iota of intent to actually address mental health. And it is particularly hard to make such a proposal in the wake of this tragedy before we have any idea what weapons he used or how he got them because conservatives don't actually give a crap about addressing mental health, they just want a way to deflect from the fact that they're okay with mass shootings if they can still hold big guns that make them feel like their dicks are less small.

fyp

i agree with you that mental health is often the underlying problem, and will continue being the underlying problem no matter what new gun laws are passed. But I think it's unfair to say that conservatives don't really care about mental health. What do you want to do about it? Dramatically increase the number of involuntary commitments? Sounds like you've got the answer to these problems, so by all means share what we should do if only for those jerkface republicans.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 02, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
the police said something about a tool being used to make semi-auto guns automatic rather than the true method of shaving the receiver down(idk how to manipulate the receiver but i know someone who has done it to some FALs)

here is something called bump fire: https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7 (https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7) check out the magazines and what's going on at 3:20, fellow americans

this rough ridin' mechanism is worse: https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI (https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI)

My God. Why? What purpose?
it's pretty rough ridin' stupid. i didn't know anything like that existed. i thought it took some gunsmithing knowledge to be able to do that.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 02, 2017, 11:10:59 PM
Broken record thread, I've read all this a dozen times, good grief.  Same dudes everytime.  I could write this script myself for fucks sake.  We know what you guys think already.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 02, 2017, 11:11:51 PM
Broken record board really.....
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 02, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
tubesock, i know you're kinda weird so i don't want to stretch your brainlet out of its comfort zone, but i think your attitude is the broken record in need of fixing
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Will be interesting to see what this Republican congress puts up to answer those questions KSUW.

Nice dodge.

By suggesting there should be an expectation that the party currently in control of congress and the executive branch should be responsible for addressing serious issues that everyone agrees exist?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 02, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
There is no party in charge the Dons and the 'cains are split
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 02, 2017, 11:51:27 PM
There was a party in charge not to long ago tho, but they chose to eff up your health insurance instead.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 11:56:42 PM
I think all of you are children for arguing over politics when a crap ton of families just had their entire lives changed.  Grow up, idiots.


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unexpected post right here.

It's like he completely forgot the only thing that's memorable about him here. Well the dead people stuff and him bitching about the content of movies he took his kids too.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 03, 2017, 06:35:09 AM
Why?  This guy had been planning this. Ironic and odd it happened the day OJ was released. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 03, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
it's totally possible that OJ was the real shooter, he staged this patsy suicide at the scene and escaped unnoticed. good thinking reno
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: slackcat on October 03, 2017, 07:40:12 AM
1. Man had serious mental issues
2. Probably fueled by what he read on social media/interweb.  Rage is where it's at.


Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2017, 08:25:09 AM
the police said something about a tool being used to make semi-auto guns automatic rather than the true method of shaving the receiver down(idk how to manipulate the receiver but i know someone who has done it to some FALs)

here is something called bump fire: https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7 (https://youtu.be/U7DTjSla-O8?t=7) check out the magazines and what's going on at 3:20, fellow americans

this rough ridin' mechanism is worse: https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI (https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI)

My God. Why? What purpose?

killing people
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 08:47:41 AM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 03, 2017, 08:48:54 AM
Regulate bullets.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 08:51:15 AM
Regulate bullets.
Most serious gun people make their own.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 03, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

Yeah, I don't have the answer. I've never been an anti-gun guy, my father and brother both have lots of guns. I've shot them and enjoyed it.

But I see these types of shootings with these types of guns and think we've got to start to do something to make them more difficult to get. Like you said, the problem is that there are already tons of them out there and they aren't hard to get, I'm not sure how we reverse the trend in this country while also addressing mental health, "terrorist causes", and the other issues that cause people to break and act.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2017, 09:12:02 AM
I rough ridin' hate guns. Dad forced me to do hunters safety as a kid and bought me a shotgun for my 12th bday after I asked him not to. I get that hunting can be a bonding thing, but some people have a super weird obsession with guns.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 09:13:43 AM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

Yeah, I don't have the answer. I've never been an anti-gun guy, my father and brother both have lots of guns. I've shot them and enjoyed it.

But I see these types of shootings with these types of guns and think we've got to start to do something to make them more difficult to get. Like you said, the problem is that there are already tons of them out there and they aren't hard to get, I'm not sure how we reverse the trend in this country while also addressing mental health, "terrorist causes", and the other issues that cause people to break and act.

Exactly. I don't have the answer, either, but I'm interested to consider suggestions.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 09:18:04 AM
I rough ridin' hate guns. Dad forced me to do hunters safety as a kid and bought me a shotgun for my 12th bday after I asked him not to. I get that hunting can be a bonding thing, but some people have a super weird obsession with guns.

I don't own guns and I don't hunt. Hunting seems like the absolute worst - trudging around through a field or sitting in a stand, usually in cold weather, waiting to kill an animal. But I've gone target shooting before and it is a LOT of fun.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 09:25:54 AM
I feel like it should be pretty obvious that even if it wouldn't prevent "this shooting" or the next, very little good comes from assault weapons being legal.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 03, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
Exactly. I don't have the answer, either, but I'm interested to consider suggestions.

I think there has to be some start with a crack down on these types of weapons. I know we talk about "they are already banned", but that really doesn't do anything and nothing changes. I'm not sure if a dent can even be made, but my first thought is a movement to get these off the streets and destroy them, even if at this point its symbolic. Like I said, real change is years away, but doing nothing that makes a statement that we are going to try to change the mentality and availability towards guns that are only designed to cause massive amounts of death quickly is an approach we've tried for years and its clearly not working.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 03, 2017, 09:30:30 AM
Also, I know that anything that takes guns away and destroys them will cause a good portion of gun owner types to go absolutely ballistic and honestly may initially cause a few more crazy reactions.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 03, 2017, 09:34:56 AM
it sounds like everyone here agrees doing nothing is unacceptable. that's a good start.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 09:38:54 AM
Exactly. I don't have the answer, either, but I'm interested to consider suggestions.

I think there has to be some start with a crack down on these types of weapons. I know we talk about "they are already banned", but that really doesn't do anything and nothing changes. I'm not sure if a dent can even be made, but my first thought is a movement to get these off the streets and destroy them, even if at this point its symbolic. Like I said, real change is years away, but doing nothing that makes a statement that we are going to try to change the mentality and availability towards guns that are only designed to cause massive amounts of death quickly is an approach we've tried for years and its clearly not working.
You will do nothing but really inflame the gun nuts when you do litterally "come for their guns". I suppose you could ban the future manufacture of them but you can't unring that bell and go back for what's out there. That could actually trigger a new civil war.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2017, 09:43:39 AM
Also, I know that anything that takes guns away and destroys them will cause a good portion of gun owner types to go absolutely ballistic and honestly may initially cause a few more crazy reactions.
#1 concern for me
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 03, 2017, 10:19:12 AM
I rough ridin' hate guns. Dad forced me to do hunters safety as a kid and bought me a shotgun for my 12th bday after I asked him not to. I get that hunting can be a bonding thing, but some people have a super weird obsession with guns.

I don't own guns and I don't hunt. Hunting seems like the absolute worst - trudging around through a field or sitting in a stand, usually in cold weather, waiting to kill an animal. But I've gone target shooting before and it is a LOT of fun.

I am 100% in that camp. I can't fathom going hunting and enjoying it. To each their own but just a gross way to spend a weekend. Much rather be warm on a couch watching football. I did some shooting for boy scouts. Been a gun range once since. I can get the thrill of that, still not my thing but I generally have no problem with those who want to hunt or go to a gun range.

As to wacky's point about hating guns, I get that too. People who are super into it are IMO as big of dorks and weirdos as someone who has like 40 cats or is a hoarder, etc. The different being most of those people who have 40 cats and hoard crap typically aren't holding onto excessively lethal amounts of things (terrible cat allergies and being clawed aside). Yet excessive gun people get lauded for being "patriots" and their lifestyle is venerated. Veneration should be towards sensible gun ownership and safety, not trying to own a crap ton of weapons cause "I might need them to overthrow the gubment/blow away that goddamn intruder who comes into my house"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 03, 2017, 10:35:32 AM
No offense, but these are platitudes and bromides. If you have a specific gun control mental health measure to suggest, or want to discuss somebody else's specific proposal, let's do that. Anybody can say "let's all work together for sensible gun control" "let's all work together for sensible ways to address mental health." It's the specific policy that actually requires some thought even one iota of intent to actually address mental health. And it is particularly hard to make such a proposal in the wake of this tragedy before we have any idea what weapons he used or how he got them because conservatives don't actually give a crap about addressing mental health, they just want a way to deflect from the fact that they're okay with mass shootings if they can still hold big guns that make them feel like their dicks are less small.

fyp

i agree with you that mental health is often the underlying problem, and will continue being the underlying problem no matter what new gun laws are passed. But I think it's unfair to say that conservatives don't really care about mental health. What do you want to do about it? Dramatically increase the number of involuntary commitments? Sounds like you've got the answer to these problems, so by all means share what we should do if only for those jerkface republicans.

I am far from having any solutions on addressing mental health, as I am neither a policy maker nor a mental health professional. I am, however perceptive enough to see that this same discussion plays out after every single one of these things: despondent cries of anguish arise from people who are desperate to get killing machines out of our country because they're not okay with 20 six year-olds being executed in their classrooms, or 49 people being executed in a club, or 59 people being executed at a concert. They suggest some sort of solution or another, or maybe just throw out a despondent statement about how gun culture in America is completely out of control.

Then, inevitably, that is met with this retort from the "NOPE SORRY" gun nut, who is unwilling to budge in any way whatsoever and whose real goal is to end the conversation before it can actually begin. They throw their hands up and say "NOPE, it would never work. And 2nd amendment! The only thing we can do is address mental health."  And then, as always, they offer zero solutions whatsoever to begin addressing mental health. It's funny, it's almost like they don't really mean it and are really just trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility and need to give ground in a compromise on guns.

Here's the other thing I find funny about the NOPE SORRY, GOTTA BE MENTAL HEALTH INSTEAD gun nuts I've talked to about this: they talk as if it can only be one solution or another, as if it would be completely impossible to attempt two things at the same time. Yes, believe it or not, you could actually address mental health issues in our country AND at the same time make mass murder machines illegal. This "one or the other" thing is either a function of their sad one-track minds, or is completely disingenuous and indicative their complete unwillingness to give any ground whatsoever in a gun debate.

Like I said, I don't know exactly what the right step forward is to better address mental health issues that plague America, but I know gutting health care is probably a terrible way for conservatives to make it seem like they're being genuine when they say they care about addressing it. And, as always, The Onion hits the nail on the head and pwns idiots and hypocrites:
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/shooting-isnt-about-gun-control-we-refuse-pass-its-57095
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 10:53:41 AM
No offense, but these are platitudes and bromides. If you have a specific gun control mental health measure to suggest, or want to discuss somebody else's specific proposal, let's do that. Anybody can say "let's all work together for sensible gun control" "let's all work together for sensible ways to address mental health." It's the specific policy that actually requires some thought even one iota of intent to actually address mental health. And it is particularly hard to make such a proposal in the wake of this tragedy before we have any idea what weapons he used or how he got them because conservatives don't actually give a crap about addressing mental health, they just want a way to deflect from the fact that they're okay with mass shootings if they can still hold big guns that make them feel like their dicks are less small.

fyp

i agree with you that mental health is often the underlying problem, and will continue being the underlying problem no matter what new gun laws are passed. But I think it's unfair to say that conservatives don't really care about mental health. What do you want to do about it? Dramatically increase the number of involuntary commitments? Sounds like you've got the answer to these problems, so by all means share what we should do if only for those jerkface republicans.

I am far from having any solutions on addressing mental health, as I am neither a policy maker nor a mental health professional. I am, however perceptive enough to see that this same discussion plays out after every single one of these things: despondent cries of anguish arise from people who are desperate to get killing machines out of our country because they're not okay with 20 six year-olds being executed in their classrooms, or 49 people being executed in a club, or 59 people being executed at a concert. They suggest some sort of solution or another, or maybe just throw out a despondent statement about how gun culture in America is completely out of control.

Then, inevitably, that is met with this retort from the "NOPE SORRY" gun nut, who is unwilling to budge in any way whatsoever and whose real goal is to end the conversation before it can actually begin. They throw their hands up and say "NOPE, it would never work. And 2nd amendment! The only thing we can do is address mental health."  And then, as always, they offer zero solutions whatsoever to begin addressing mental health. It's funny, it's almost like they don't really mean it and are really just trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility and need to give ground in a compromise on guns.

Here's the other thing I find funny about the NOPE SORRY, GOTTA BE MENTAL HEALTH INSTEAD gun nuts I've talked to about this: they talk as if it can only be one solution or another, as if it would be completely impossible to attempt two things at the same time. Yes, believe it or not, you could actually address mental health issues in our country AND at the same time make mass murder machines illegal. This "one or the other" thing is either a function of their sad one-track minds, or is completely disingenuous and indicative their complete unwillingness to give any ground whatsoever in a gun debate.

Like I said, I don't know exactly what the right step forward is to better address mental health issues that plague America, but I know gutting health care is probably a terrible way for conservatives to make it seem like they're being genuine when they say they care about addressing it. And, as always, The Onion hits the nail on the head and pwns idiots and hypocrites:
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/shooting-isnt-about-gun-control-we-refuse-pass-its-57095

TL/DNR version: "I don't have any idea what to do about mental health, or guns, but we gotta do something."
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 11:48:06 AM
https://www.facebook.com/ezraklein/videos/770284333159171/

Good video IMO. Also, a podcast called Science VS did a good look at gun control.

So many gun nuts act like you cannot do anything until you put forward a proposal everyone agrees on (which they know will never happen). I don't think you can make any progress until people agree there is a problem with guns in this country.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 03, 2017, 11:59:18 AM
Will be interesting to see what this Republican congress puts up to answer those questions KSUW.

Nice dodge.

By suggesting there should be an expectation that the party currently in control of congress and the executive branch should be responsible for addressing serious issues that everyone agrees exist?

477 Days. 521 Mass Shootings. Zero Actions From Congress. (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/opinion/editorials/mass-shootings-congress.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 12:06:23 PM
Regulate bullets.
Most serious gun people make their own.

Regulate gunpowder
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 03, 2017, 12:34:26 PM
Guessing we're not gonna get a consensus here on this divisive issue from a bunch of people who ostensibly love Fatty & KSU and who can't even come together to attend and support FattyFest.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2017, 12:36:04 PM
the mentally ill have as much a constitutional right to own firearms as the mentally well.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
Which is none unless you're a militia member.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2017, 12:44:21 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ezraklein/videos/770284333159171/

Good video IMO. Also, a podcast called Science VS did a good look at gun control.

So many gun nuts act like you cannot do anything until you put forward a proposal everyone agrees on (which they know will never happen). I don't think you can make any progress until people agree there is a problem with guns in this country.

yeah that was pretty good. I think requiring a license/safety training/storage laws would be a great first step.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2017, 01:10:22 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.
This https://www.facebook.com/SavageLifeProductions.605.SWO/posts/1715324141831981
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 01:15:05 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 01:55:26 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.

2. Stricter licensure / safety training / gun storage laws. Not sure how this would make one bit of difference. In the vast majority of mass shootings, the killer either still would have passed the enhanced check, or skirted existing background check laws by getting the guns from a relative, etc. Without more details, this seems like another curtailment of gun rights with relatively little benefit.

How about banning high capacity magazines? Maaaybe. Don't we already have that law up to a point? What's a fair amount for home defense and hunting? Should you have to individually chamber each round (that seems unreasonable). 5 rounds max? Is 20 clips of 5 rounds a piece really going prevent more carnage than 10 clips of 10 rounds each?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.

2. Stricter licensure / safety training / gun storage laws. Not sure how this would make one bit of difference. In the vast majority of mass shootings, the killer either still would have passed the enhanced check, or skirted existing background check laws by getting the guns from a relative, etc. Without more details, this seems like another curtailment of gun rights with relatively little benefit.

How about banning high capacity magazines? Maaaybe. Don't we already have that law up to a point? What's a fair amount for home defense and hunting? Should you have to individually chamber each round (that seems unreasonable). 5 rounds max? Is 20 clips of 5 rounds a piece really going prevent more carnage than 10 clips of 10 rounds each?
What do you suggest?
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 03, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
Hey weird, it looks almost like K-S-U-Wildcats isn't actually interested in giving any ground or being an adult and compromising. In fact, it almost seems like the subtext of his post is him throwing his hands up and saying "NOPE none of this would ever work, so we better not even try." Weird. I never could've guesssed that was coming.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: stunted on October 03, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
what are his options if he didn't have access to automatic rifles? could have used a bomb to kill a lot of people. but maybe using a gun is more enjoyable as morbid as that sounds, which could have played a part. shrug.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
I don't think I need a solution to question other proposals. As I've already said, I don't have a good solution yet.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 02:41:55 PM
god our country has a ton of idiots if the AR is the most popular gun
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 03, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 03, 2017, 02:43:40 PM
Break Up the United States.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 02:46:22 PM
god our country has a ton of idiots if the AR is the most popular gun
You are aware of who just got elected, right?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 03, 2017, 02:47:11 PM
Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.
Alex Jones just got another 2 years worth of material for his band of morons to lap up.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.

:lol: coming from the party against womens freedom of choice.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 03, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.
Alex Jones just got another 2 years worth of material for his band of morons to lap up.

Oh absolutely. Here's a taste of his (paraphrased) posts:
So many "other shootings "reported" by "unnamed" sources.

Questions raised by some person claiming to be shouting that people were about to die minutes before it happened. Questions about how the exits to a controlled concert venue were "blocked" to  keep people from leaving.

One of his links show the inside of what was supposedly the Aria which also experienced a shooting, apparently. I have been to the Aria, and that casino floor is like a 180 of what those photos show.

And on and on and on.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 03, 2017, 03:05:32 PM
Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.

:lol: coming from the party against womens freedom of choice.

They believe it's not moral to kill babies, the problem is a big part of our population doesn't agree on where our moral foundations come from.  Sad
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2017, 03:10:20 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 03:21:30 PM
Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 03:29:50 PM
Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.

So.... pointing to the term "assault rifle" in support of your argument is the tail wagging the dog. And based upon what I'm reading the AR-15 uses a relatively small and weak caliber bullet. People prefer them for ease of use and relatively low recoil for a rifle. They are highly accurate and a weapon of choice for target shooting. Again, that's just what I'm reading. I would think a smaller, less conspicuous firearm would actually a better design for "killing people" but that's just my opinion. Regardless, you still have provided absolutely no justification that the AR15 is any more "purely designed to kill people" than any other gun.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 03:33:10 PM
There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

What would a national gun registry do? How would you use it to stop these sorts of mass shootings?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 03, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 03, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.

So.... pointing to the term "assault rifle" in support of your argument is the tail wagging the dog. And based upon what I'm reading the AR-15 uses a relatively small and weak caliber bullet. People prefer them for ease of use and relatively low recoil for a rifle. They are highly accurate and a weapon of choice for target shooting. Again, that's just what I'm reading. I would think a smaller, less conspicuous firearm would actually a better design for "killing people" but that's just my opinion. Regardless, you still have provided absolutely no justification that the AR15 is any more "purely designed to kill people" than any other gun.

Well I clearly already won this argument, but just because I find these justifications fascinating, how about the fact that the AR15 started out and was heavily marketed as a military weapon?

http://rdltactical.com/a-little-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle/

First link I saw on google. Feel free to post your own that show this was designed as a target practice gun.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 03, 2017, 03:56:08 PM
There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

What would a national gun registry do? How would you use it to stop these sorts of mass shootings?

Personally I'm more interested in stopping everyday gun violence than mass shootings.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 04:37:41 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.
They are actually sold by police departments to raise $$.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 03, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.
As an owner of 2 different caliber AR platform rifles and several hand guns this should absolutely be acceptable to any gun owner.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on October 03, 2017, 04:42:33 PM
Gun owner here.

AR15 is a range gun for most people. Somewhat useful for home defense. I'd rather grab the .380 with hollow points. If I miss, it's stopping in the wall.

AR15 is really only useful for dropping coyotes. Not really enough power for deer hunting at any longer distance. Waste of power for smaller animals. Too much meat damage.

For hunting, I'll take a scoped bolt action and my 12ga with a couple of chokes. Plus a .22  or 410 for squirrels and rabbits.

With that, the gun enthusiast talking points don't really hold water with me regarding the AR semis. They're militia weapons. Guess that's why the hardcore 2A supporters want to keep them legal.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 04:44:59 PM
What is a militia weapon?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 03, 2017, 04:54:52 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.
As an owner of 2 different caliber AR platform rifles and several hand guns this should absolutely be acceptable to any gun owner.

Every one of my weapons is registered except for an old .410 that was my great, great grandfather's.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 05:08:11 PM
Gun owner here.

AR15 is a range gun for most people. Somewhat useful for home defense. I'd rather grab the .380 with hollow points. If I miss, it's stopping in the wall.

AR15 is really only useful for dropping coyotes. Not really enough power for deer hunting at any longer distance. Waste of power for smaller animals. Too much meat damage.

For hunting, I'll take a scoped bolt action and my 12ga with a couple of chokes. Plus a .22  or 410 for squirrels and rabbits.

With that, the gun enthusiast talking points don't really hold water with me regarding the AR semis. They're militia weapons. Guess that's why the hardcore 2A supporters want to keep them legal.

...and I think "enthusiasts" of guns get to take a backseat to public safety. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Does anyone who doesn't suck at sports do target shooting as a hobby?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 03, 2017, 05:43:39 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.

And hell I'd even go as far as wave any sort of registration fees for that time period, and maybe even give something like $100/gun tax write-off with like a max of $500/ per household just to incite people to comply.

Maybe even also tax the crap outta ammo that isn't bought and used at gun ranges (and have those gun ranges have to be state and federally licensed to operate) or ammo bought for hunting is exempt from the tax with applicable hunting license (and of course cap on the amount of ammo that can be sold at any time for both personal or hunting uses).
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: PowercatPat on October 03, 2017, 05:47:17 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 05:54:14 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

or let's say it never prevented one direct shooting...still taking the supply of guns down and there is zero downside.  "dramatic curtailment of gun rights"...no.  No rights into the type of rifle you can own...when 2A was written, a semi-auto rifle wasn't even dreamed about.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
Gun owner here.

AR15 is a range gun for most people. Somewhat useful for home defense. I'd rather grab the .380 with hollow points. If I miss, it's stopping in the wall.

AR15 is really only useful for dropping coyotes. Not really enough power for deer hunting at any longer distance. Waste of power for smaller animals. Too much meat damage.

For hunting, I'll take a scoped bolt action and my 12ga with a couple of chokes. Plus a .22  or 410 for squirrels and rabbits.

With that, the gun enthusiast talking points don't really hold water with me regarding the AR semis. They're militia weapons. Guess that's why the hardcore 2A supporters want to keep them legal.

Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 06:04:59 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

but using that logic we shouldn't have most laws...we don't know that they do anything but "might prevent one crazy person".
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

but using that logic we shouldn't have most laws...we don't know that they do anything but "might prevent one crazy person".

Would the same argument apply to booze, or McDonald's, or cigarettes? Are those any more necessary? Wouldn't banning those save far more lives than an AR-15? My point is that the "isn't it worth it to save one life" argument is very poorly reasoned.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 06:13:33 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

but using that logic we shouldn't have most laws...we don't know that they do anything but "might prevent one crazy person".

Would the same argument apply to booze, or McDonald's, or cigarettes? Are those any more necessary? Wouldn't banning those save far more lives than an AR-15? My point is that the "isn't it worth it to save one life" argument is very poorly reasoned.

agreed....laws have to have balance and risk/reward factored.  Could be argued booze and cigarettes have more laws/taxes/regulations applied to them than guns (age restriction, tax, etc)...and McDonalds probably should have more.

I'm just wanting to try anything and have 2A enthusiasts give a little bit on this thing...what we are doing isn't work.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:14:05 PM
Oh, so turns out this guy has already made the same point with greater elaboration. Worth reading.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/266379/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/266379/)

And this guy. http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/337324/if-it-saves-one-life-charles-c-w-cooke (http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/337324/if-it-saves-one-life-charles-c-w-cooke)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 06:21:32 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

but using that logic we shouldn't have most laws...we don't know that they do anything but "might prevent one crazy person".

Would the same argument apply to booze, or McDonald's, or cigarettes? Are those any more necessary? Wouldn't banning those save far more lives than an AR-15? My point is that the "isn't it worth it to save one life" argument is very poorly reasoned.

The same argument doesn't apply at all because some crazy person cannot force you to consume any of those other things like they can force you to consume bullets.

That is, unless they had a gun to your head.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 06:25:33 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.
As an owner of 2 different caliber AR platform rifles and several hand guns this should absolutely be acceptable to any gun owner.

Every one of my weapons is registered except for an old .410 that was my great, great grandfather's.

Under my law you'd be able to register that antique under your license. In addition to melting down all non registered firearm, I would work with gun people, non-NRA, to develop legislation that states how many of each type of weapon you would be allowed to possess, you can't have unlimited registered weapons.

You would not be able to sell your firearm without a license to sell.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.
What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.
They are actually sold by police departments to raise $$.

Huge issue in Chicago, I will find it but there's an insane amount of firearms that have been involved in multiple murders.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:39:39 PM
So far (sorry if I missed one) it has been suggested...

1. Make all semi-automatic rifles illegal. This is the only mass shooting I'm aware of where that might have made a significant difference. Most mass shooting situations were or could have been carried out just as effectively with semi-automatic pistols. seems like a pretty dramatic curtailment of gun rights with relatively little impact. It would also be political impossible to ban and confiscate all existing semi-automatic rifles (the AR-15 is I think the most popular rifle in the US), and I'm not sure banning future production of them would really make a dent for decades.


Wouldn't a "relatively little impact" be better than nothing? If it prevents just one mass shooting like this from happening again isn't it worth it?

Outlaw all semi-automatic rifles, which millions of people own and use lawfully, because it might prevent one crazy person was using one for a mass shooting? Seems like that "isn't it worth it to save even one life" kind of argument could apply to all sorts of things we wouldn't consider banning.

but using that logic we shouldn't have most laws...we don't know that they do anything but "might prevent one crazy person".

Would the same argument apply to booze, or McDonald's, or cigarettes? Are those any more necessary? Wouldn't banning those save far more lives than an AR-15? My point is that the "isn't it worth it to save one life" argument is very poorly reasoned.

The same argument doesn't apply at all because some crazy person cannot force you to consume any of those other things like they can force you to consume bullets.

That is, unless they had a gun to your head.

Really? So how about drunk driving?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
Who is comparing cigs and guns my god
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?

:lol:

KSUW: "you can't prove shoes are purely designed for walking in because I can wear them on my hands"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?

:lol:

KSUW: "you can't prove shoes are purely designed for walking in because I can wear them on my hands"

You're making my point for me, dumbass. Guns = shoes. AR-15 = specific kind of shoe. I asked you what's so special about the AR-15's design that makes it purely for killing people, any more so than other guns, and you can't answer (because it isn't).
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 03, 2017, 06:49:38 PM
Why are some of you engaging with KSU?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 06:55:42 PM

The same argument doesn't apply at all because some crazy person cannot force you to consume any of those other things like they can force you to consume bullets.

That is, unless they had a gun to your head.

Really? So how about drunk driving?
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This is my favorite argument because everyone who makes it would absolutely hate to have guns regulated like cars.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 06:58:18 PM
Why are some of you engaging with KSU?

Target practice. :dunno:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Nobody reasonable should be against registration of guns. The registration should include forensics to make murders easier to solve.

I don't really agree with limits on the number of guns you can own. I don't think anyone should be able to get a silencer, a fully automatic gun, or a tool to make the gun fire faster. That said, I don't think these guns are causing any major problems in the US and certainly won't lose sleep if they don't get banned.

Also, you should have to pass a target practice test to get a license and eye exams every few years after to keep it.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 07:15:32 PM

The same argument doesn't apply at all because some crazy person cannot force you to consume any of those other things like they can force you to consume bullets.

That is, unless they had a gun to your head.

Really? So how about drunk driving?

This is my favorite argument because everyone who makes it would absolutely hate to have guns regulated like cars.
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Really hard to keep liberals focused. When I asked about drunk driving, that was in relation to alcohol. Not the car. Try to follow along.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 07:16:24 PM
Honestly though these are wasted words. Kids died in their school room to this nonsense and we did nothing but we're told it was "too soon to talk about it".
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on October 03, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?

I would suggest that since Eugene Stoner developed it specifically as an adaptation of the AR-10 in a .223 caliber at the request of the US military specifically to meet minimum depth of penetration requirements put forth by the Army would be the explanation you are looking for here.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 03, 2017, 07:51:33 PM
Case Closed.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 03, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
I need an AR 15 to defend my house from people who may want to steal my iPad and stuff
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 07:55:29 PM
I need an AR 15 to defend my house from people who may want to steal my iPad and stuff
Like 30 people.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 07:57:26 PM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?

I would suggest that since Eugene Stoner developed it specifically as an adaptation of the AR-10 in a .223 caliber at the request of the US military specifically to meet minimum depth of penetration requirements put forth by the Army would be the explanation you are looking for here.

So the that makes the AR-15 purely designed for killing people? And that's different than many other guns? I hate to keep beating a dead horse here, but this is such a simple point and you guys are so stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that was a dumb thing to say.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2017, 07:59:00 PM
 AR and a 20 gague single shot same thing you guys
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 03, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Most mass shootings could just as easily have been accomplished with a 20 gage dickstone
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 03, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

Yep. I guess we all just need to hope we don't lose the mass shooting lottery.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 03, 2017, 08:10:22 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

It's been the reality for a long time now.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 03, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

It's been the reality for a long time now.

Why else would I start with my fatalist k-s-u arguments? Nothing is good enough, so we just shouldnt do anything. Let it get worse. T's and P's ourselves into solving the problem
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 03, 2017, 08:18:17 PM
So the that makes the AR-15 purely designed for killing people? And that's different than many other guns? I hate to keep beating a dead horse here, but this is such a simple point and you guys are so stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that was a dumb thing to say.

the ammunition, form factor, mechanism, were specifically optimized to meet the requirements of the us military for a battle rifle. nobody is explaining this to you because they would rather see you drown in a pool of your intellectual dishonesty
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

Yep. I guess we all just need to hope we don't lose the mass shooting lottery.

Yea it's still really unlikely but definitely scary.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 03, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

Yep. I guess we all just need to hope we don't lose the mass shooting lottery.

Yea it's still really unlikely but definitely scary.

yeah, don't worry. STATISTICALLY, you are far more likely to be accidentally shot to death by a toddler than randomly murdered by a mass shooter.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bucket on October 03, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/915317663789928448

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLPb_t-V4AAFYWX.jpg)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 03, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
I think the hard truth is that this is just a new reality in the unites states. Sucks man.

Yep. I guess we all just need to hope we don't lose the mass shooting lottery.

Yea it's still really unlikely but definitely scary.

yeah, don't worry. STATISTICALLY, you are far more likely to be accidentally shot to death by a toddler than randomly murdered by a mass shooter.

one of my son's classmates sister shot herself with a loaded gun last week at the age of 2 :frown:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 03, 2017, 08:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/915184786469203968
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 03, 2017, 08:42:41 PM
I will retweet that
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 03, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/915184786469203968

So is that supposed to be an argument for or against passing knee jerk "gun control"? Because the taking shoes off thing is a stupid idea and a pain in the ass. How about we not do something similar here?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 03, 2017, 09:47:44 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/915184786469203968

So is that supposed to be an argument for or against passing knee jerk "gun control"? Because the taking shoes off thing is a stupid idea and a pain in the ass. How about we not do something similar here?


great point never thought about it that way I love guns now
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 03, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
I'm starting to see that KSU is a 100% troll poster as well. Chingon sock?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2017, 10:15:02 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/915184786469203968

So is that supposed to be an argument for or against passing knee jerk "gun control"? Because the taking shoes off thing is a stupid idea and a pain in the ass. How about we not do something similar here?

it....maybe...is....somewhere....between??  One shoe bomber and we take off our shoes....overreaction.....thousands of gun deaths......underreaction? :ck:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on October 04, 2017, 04:18:21 AM
I don't have to remove my shoes because I got a background check.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
The fact that you can pay a fee to not take off your shoes really just shows that nobody really needs to. It's all a show to make people feel safe.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 04, 2017, 08:29:42 AM
The fact that you can pay a fee to not take off your shoes really just shows that nobody really needs to. It's all a show to make people feel safe.

You pay the fee for the background check.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 08:41:01 AM
Does anyone who doesn't suck at sports do target shooting as a hobby?
No. Total betas.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 04, 2017, 08:52:02 AM
The fact that you can pay a fee to not take off your shoes really just shows that nobody really needs to. It's all a show to make people feel safe.

You pay the fee for the background check.

That "background check" is a total joke (much like gun checks, apparently).
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 04, 2017, 08:59:31 AM
Details are starting to trickle out about this guy, and how meticulously he prepared and pulled this off. It doesn't point to any mental illness, other than perhaps extreme narcissism. But there's still no word on motive. No manifesto. No social media postings. Not even a note. Bizarre. What if the guy just woke up one day, looked at his booze soaked, gambling addicted, depressing life and thought "eff it, I bet I could do this"?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 09:38:13 AM
Details are starting to trickle out about this guy, and how meticulously he prepared and pulled this off. It doesn't point to any mental illness, other than perhaps extreme narcissism. But there's still no word on motive. No manifesto. No social media postings. Not even a note. Bizarre. What if the guy just woke up one day, looked at his booze soaked, gambling addicted, depressing life and thought "eff it, I bet I could do this"?

Well, that combined with just happening to have an arsenal of weapons modified to fire automatically is a pretty bad combo then.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 04, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
I need an AR 15 to defend my house from people who may want to steal my iPad and stuff
Like 30 people.
The .223/5.56 ammo is terrible for home defense. At close range the round is too small and traveling at such velocity it just zips right through people not inflicting much damage. It was actually designed for war in eastern Europe where shooting would be done at range. 100m plus when the bullet impacts its target it tumbles causing much more damage. Soldiers in Vietnam hated the round because it would go right through guys and they would keep running. They much preferred their old M1 that used a .30 caliber round.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2017, 10:14:58 AM
The fact that you can pay a fee to not take off your shoes really just shows that nobody really needs to. It's all a show to make people feel safe.

You pay the fee for the background check.

If a guy who didn't have a criminal record wanted to blow up a plane with a shoe bomb, he'd be paying to not have to take his shoes off.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
The fact that you can pay a fee to not take off your shoes really just shows that nobody really needs to. It's all a show to make people feel safe.

You pay the fee for the background check.

If a guy who didn't have a criminal record wanted to blow up a plane with a shoe bomb, he'd be paying to not have to take his shoes off.

tons of those
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on October 04, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
Would you say that the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people"? Any moreso than other guns?

Just take the L. I'm pretty sure when they were designing the AR15 to market and sell to soldiers in Vietnam they weren't looking into Coyote shooting applications.

Lol ok bub. You still haven't answered why the AR-15 is designed "purely to kill people" and more than any other gun. You keep pointing to... marketing or something?

I would suggest that since Eugene Stoner developed it specifically as an adaptation of the AR-10 in a .223 caliber at the request of the US military specifically to meet minimum depth of penetration requirements put forth by the Army would be the explanation you are looking for here.

So the that makes the AR-15 purely designed for killing people? And that's different than many other guns? I hate to keep beating a dead horse here, but this is such a simple point and you guys are so stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that was a dumb thing to say.

Early Shotguns were often called "fowling pieces" and designed specifically for aristocracy to shoot birds with

which to me would indicate a purpose other than the death of humans.

that would be a difference
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/
He knew. I wanna play poker with that guy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 04, 2017, 11:30:53 AM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/

Pretty sure that whole family is batshit crazy.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/

Pretty sure that whole family is batshit crazy.

Take Eric Paddock's guns away immediately.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Yard Dog on October 04, 2017, 12:05:43 PM
What is a militia weapon?

I may be getting this wrong but I made sure to read ahead to make sure it wasn't addressed already.

The idea here (in my understanding) is that the citizenry has the ability to gather as a militia to a) defend themselves against a foreign enemy if your national military is compromised or b) against our national military if the federal government is compromised.

There is a fear among conservative minded people of a future federally controlled state where guns are made illegal thus allowing a totalitarian take over without resistance. I know several people who view gun rights as our nations ability to keep the federal government from considering blatant overreach.

I don't personally believe that some of the measures we have discussed here would lead to making gun ownership illegal, but as with many single issue people they see a "slippery slope" where letting up an inch will eventually mean giving up guns all together. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 12:08:47 PM
People that believe that shouldn't be allowed to have guns
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 12:12:23 PM
What is a militia weapon?

I may be getting this wrong but I made sure to read ahead to make sure it wasn't addressed already.

The idea here (in my understanding) is that the citizenry has the ability to gather as a militia to a) defend themselves against a foreign enemy if your national military is compromised or b) against our national military if the federal government is compromised.

There is a fear among conservative minded people of a future federally controlled state where guns are made illegal thus allowing a totalitarian take over without resistance. I know several people who view gun rights as our nations ability to keep the federal government from considering blatant overreach.

I don't personally believe that some of the measures we have discussed here would lead to making gun ownership illegal, but as with many single issue people they see a "slippery slope" where letting up an inch will eventually mean giving up guns all together. 

Well said. The last sentence is really the main basis for where the NRA takes their stance.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 12:15:12 PM
So militia weapons, like AR are kept to kill people.  Ty
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on October 04, 2017, 12:18:22 PM
What is a militia weapon?

I may be getting this wrong but I made sure to read ahead to make sure it wasn't addressed already.

The idea here (in my understanding) is that the citizenry has the ability to gather as a militia to a) defend themselves against a foreign enemy if your national military is compromised or b) against our national military if the federal government is compromised.

There is a fear among conservative minded people of a future federally controlled state where guns are made illegal thus allowing a totalitarian take over without resistance. I know several people who view gun rights as our nations ability to keep the federal government from considering blatant overreach.

I don't personally believe that some of the measures we have discussed here would lead to making gun ownership illegal, but as with many single issue people they see a "slippery slope" where letting up an inch will eventually mean giving up guns all together.

what is logically confounding is that the same people that argue the 2nd amendment is necessary to protect against a tyrannical gov't also support arming a 2 billion dollar a day military that they could never protect themselves from
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: nicname on October 04, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
What is a militia weapon?

I may be getting this wrong but I made sure to read ahead to make sure it wasn't addressed already.

The idea here (in my understanding) is that the citizenry has the ability to gather as a militia to a) defend themselves against a foreign enemy if your national military is compromised or b) against our national military if the federal government is compromised.

There is a fear among conservative minded people of a future federally controlled state where guns are made illegal thus allowing a totalitarian take over without resistance. I know several people who view gun rights as our nations ability to keep the federal government from considering blatant overreach.

I don't personally believe that some of the measures we have discussed here would lead to making gun ownership illegal, but as with many single issue people they see a "slippery slope" where letting up an inch will eventually mean giving up guns all together.

what is logically confounding is that the same people that argue the 2nd amendment is necessary to protect against a tyrannical gov't also support arming a 2 billion dollar a day military that they could never protect themselves from

yep
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 12:26:45 PM
We have bought invisible jets for Christ sakes
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
I'm assuming none of you fellas have seen the original Red Dawn...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Yard Dog on October 04, 2017, 12:28:57 PM
What is a militia weapon?

I may be getting this wrong but I made sure to read ahead to make sure it wasn't addressed already.

The idea here (in my understanding) is that the citizenry has the ability to gather as a militia to a) defend themselves against a foreign enemy if your national military is compromised or b) against our national military if the federal government is compromised.

There is a fear among conservative minded people of a future federally controlled state where guns are made illegal thus allowing a totalitarian take over without resistance. I know several people who view gun rights as our nations ability to keep the federal government from considering blatant overreach.

I don't personally believe that some of the measures we have discussed here would lead to making gun ownership illegal, but as with many single issue people they see a "slippery slope" where letting up an inch will eventually mean giving up guns all together.

what is logically confounding is that the same people that argue the 2nd amendment is necessary to protect against a tyrannical gov't also support arming a 2 billion dollar a day military that they could never protect themselves from

The more likely thing is that the people who truly want to defend against tyranny at home are not the same people who want to protect us from harm abroad with a massive military. A constitutionalist libertarian is generally against foreign war/foreign interference all together (see Ron and Rand Paul).

I believe that more than one large group of individuals use this as an argument because it does have basis in constitutional law, but don't actually believe it. They truly want to have guns for the kicks (it looks cool and feels cool to own/shoot badass weaponry) and often to defend against other groups that are different from them (by race, religious views, and/or political views).
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
I'm assuming none of you fellas have seen the original Red Dawn...

Like a million times

And all of the Wolverines were killed
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
I'm assuming none of you fellas have seen the original Red Dawn...

Like a million times

And all of the Wolverines were killed

I remember so sad when C Thomas Howell's character died. He was my favorite.

And the son of the mayor that was a traitor made me really mad.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 04, 2017, 12:45:23 PM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/

Pretty sure that whole family is batshit crazy.

Take Eric Paddock's guns away immediately.

He definitely doesn't appear to be the most stable at this time.....
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
Paddock's brother interviewed a second time. Bizarre interview.

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/

Pretty sure that whole family is batshit crazy.

Take Eric Paddock's guns away immediately.

He definitely doesn't appear to be the most stable at this time.....
Would you?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 04, 2017, 12:50:49 PM
Would I what?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 12:51:55 PM
Would I what?
Be clam and stable after what he's been and going thru.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 04, 2017, 12:54:49 PM
Would I what?
Be clam and stable after what he's been and going thru.

Probably not.  However, I wouldn't be in front of the media at every turn.  Also, my hunch is that what we see in the interview isn't too different than how this dude is on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
Looked pretty shook up to me.  And I think you have it backwards; the media is chasing him around.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:

Move to the things trump supporters say/believe
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Great point about the cars kd
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2017, 01:16:22 PM
was stephen paddocks main job actually a gambler? his brother thinks so, but he was definitely punting 6/7 figures away if he was playing table games and getting all sorts of comps
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 04, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:
You have licenses and registration and taxes on cars regulating them... And they weren't invented to kill.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:
You have licenses and registration and taxes on cars regulating them... And they weren't invented to kill.
Hey wait a minute, are you forgetting about nail guns, vaccine guns, tag guns, and guns to put animals to sleep so good people can fix them.
Not all guns are for killing, Phil.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
Another great point kd
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 04, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:
You have licenses and registration and taxes on cars regulating them... And they weren't invented to kill.
Hey wait a minute, are you forgetting about nail guns, vaccine guns, tag guns, and guns to put animals to sleep so good people can fix them.
Not all guns are for killing, Phil.
Funny forget tshirt guns, paintball guns, potato guns, Nintendo guns
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:
You have licenses and registration and taxes on cars regulating them... And they weren't invented to kill.
Hey wait a minute, are you forgetting about nail guns, vaccine guns, tag guns, and guns to put animals to sleep so good people can fix them.
Not all guns are for killing, Phil.
Funny forget tshirt guns, paintball guns, potato guns, Nintendo guns
You are correct, my good man.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2017, 01:43:01 PM
was stephen paddocks main job actually a gambler? his brother thinks so, but he was definitely punting 6/7 figures away if he was playing table games and getting all sorts of comps

money laundering?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
He was a successful accountant stunted.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2017, 01:56:55 PM
was stephen paddocks main job actually a gambler? his brother thinks so, but he was definitely punting 6/7 figures away if he was playing table games and getting all sorts of comps

money laundering?

Human trafficking.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 02:02:52 PM
was stephen paddocks main job actually a gambler? his brother thinks so, but he was definitely punting 6/7 figures away if he was playing table games and getting all sorts of comps

money laundering?

Here's my conspiracy theory.  He sold his brain as a oregon donation to someone who has a lot(and I mean a lot of money); and then it came to light that he has a brain tumor.   Gave his last batch of cash to his GF and said he would come up with a replacement so they wouldn't come after her cash.  He gave them 59 choices, so now Big Daddy Warbucks is satisfied and his family is safe... rich people just don't care about others.  So let that be the lesson here. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 02:05:43 PM
Solid theory with no real holes
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Katpappy on October 04, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
Solid theory with no real holes
Thanks for the support... I knew I could count on you, Lib.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2017, 02:26:12 PM
was stephen paddocks main job actually a gambler? his brother thinks so, but he was definitely punting 6/7 figures away if he was playing table games and getting all sorts of comps

He was retired and that was his post retirement "job." In that interview Eric said they got rich from real estate in Southern California.

I feel horrific for Eric, my heart bled for that dude watching that interview. His life is ruined and he did absolutely nothing to cause it to happen. His brother just shot 600 people and he has no explanation. I nearly cried when he talked about texting his brother instead of calling him, the last time they interacted. I wonder if he's thought about the litany of attorneys that are going to come after his money since he essentially admitted that his wealth is due to his brother?

I'm sure he did want to talk to the media, it seems clear to me that the stream of consciousness he was doing there was him trying to process his thoughts. You guys need to remember that those people are parked outside of his house, he isn't calling press conferences, he isn't an attention whore.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: LickNeckey on October 04, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
there dad was a bank robber...

just sayin
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
Their dad went to prison for bank robbery when they were children, why does that matter? My dad got paid to shoot Vietnamese people, what does that have to do with me?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 04, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Their dad went to prison for bank robbery when they were children, why does that matter? My dad got paid to shoot Vietnamese people, what does that have to do with me?

You don't think your Dad's experiences shaped the way he parented? Of course not a 1:1 correlation but its relevant who our parents are.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 04, 2017, 03:18:02 PM
Their dad went to prison for bank robbery when they were children, why does that matter? My dad got paid to shoot Vietnamese people, what does that have to do with me?

You don't think your Dad's experiences shaped the way he parented? Of course not a 1:1 correlation but its relevant who our parents are.

The brother said they were raised by a single mother.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 04, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
The bank robber dad was schizophrenic
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 04, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
This guy planned this.  He went to extraordinary steps to fully automate guns and to set up cameras.
He didn't just snap.  Something was fueling a blinding rage that caused this evil.  Politics, race, sex, money, and religion are the usual fuel.   It may be just unexplainable evil like someone who murders a victim and eats them; I am sure it's not for the protein.  Most likely wanted to go down infamously in history.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2017, 05:35:04 PM
Just a thought, but why don't we outlaw cars, trucks, or anything that can run over people.  I mean, crap people run over people all the time; where's the outrage.  :th_twocents:

I've been waiting so patiently for this post. thank you.

THE USE, OWNERSHIP, AND SALE OF CARS ARE STRICTLY CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNEMNT. TITLED, REGISTERED, TAXED, PLUS COMPULSORY LIABILITY INSURANCE.

are you in favor of these common sense measures for guns too?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 04, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
Incred
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: steve dave on October 04, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
The airplane 9/11 one also
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2017, 07:13:31 PM
The airplane 9/11 one also

if you think owning and operating a car is burdensome, try a jetliner
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 05, 2017, 03:14:46 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-sheriff-says-stephen-paddock-had-to-have-help-at-some-point/
CONSPIRACY NUTS UNLEASHED
Wow.   It is unnerving to thank there may be a group somewhere planning more similar carnage.  I have to agree with the sheriff this guy had to have help.  This was a sophisticated plan.  Not a nut going into a crowd and randomly killing.  Other reports say Paddock planeed to escape.  Some security guard stumbled upon him.  Paddock had stairwell door blocked. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-sheriff-says-stephen-paddock-had-to-have-help-at-some-point/
CONSPIRACY NUTS UNLEASHED
Wow.   It is unnerving to thank there may be a group somewhere planning more similar carnage.  I have to agree with the sheriff this guy had to have help.  This was a sophisticated plan.  Not a nut going into a crowd and randomly killing.  Other reports say Paddock planeed to escape.  Some security guard stumbled upon him.  Paddock had stairwell door blocked.

The security guard who "stumbled upon" Paddock was shot through Paddock's door. That sheriff is a dumbass for putting that out there without making it an official theory backed with evidence.
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 06, 2017, 05:36:22 PM
Putting what out there?  That the security guard was shot?  That there was possibly an accomplice?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 06, 2017, 11:00:48 PM
FINALLY Dax made an appearance. I’m excited for this and how it’s Obama and Hillary’s fault.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 06, 2017, 11:03:46 PM
We have to ban huntin' and fishin' .  According to peta hunting and fishing made cowpie Paddock become a mass murderer.

"our nation recoils from the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, familiar new details are emerging about the shooter, Stephen Paddock.

The man suspected of killing 59 people and injuring more than 500 at a country music festival in Las Vegas reportedly had a history of verbally abusing his girlfriend and killing animals. Employees at a Starbucks in Mesquite, Nevada, that Paddock frequented with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, told authorities that he regularly berated her in front of them and was “mean” and “rude” to her. According to news reports, he was also a “hunting enthusiast” and held licenses both to hunt and to fish."

Stupidist horse dung yet.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2017, 07:41:33 AM
Seems more appropriate for the PETA thread.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 07, 2017, 08:00:16 AM
Constipated.  I bet this bastard was mad at the FDA for pulling his favorite constipation drug from the market.  His woman said he would moan and groan luxly.  Sounds like a gut ache.  FDA pulled the drug in march.  This is when he started planning on finding a location to kill people for making his life miserable.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506393&page=1
Constipation Drug Pulled From Market
By BY STEVEN REINBERGHEALTHDAY REPORTER
Mar. 23
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2017, 09:33:13 AM
FINALLY Dax made an appearance. I’m excited for this and how it’s Obama and Hillary’s fault.

You're such a dork.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on October 07, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/07/nevada-professor-suggests-trump-deserves-blame-for-las-vegas-massacre.html
I kind of have a like-minded line of thinking too.  Trump every day seems to be agitating or pissing off someone.  He is making us all meaner and wishing we could jam something up someone's butt.  Maybe he pushed this nut into action.   Baseball republican shooter last spring blamed trump for getting all frothed up and going beserk.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2017, 01:05:20 AM
He's a mega dork dax
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 10, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
So now Dana White is mad at Jason Aldean for singing on SNL instead of at his PPV. WTF.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 10, 2017, 09:56:41 AM
Who is Dana White?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 09:57:42 AM
Ufc owner, who is Jason Aldean?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2017, 10:01:41 AM
Aldean was performing when the shooting began
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
He knew that.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 11:12:24 AM
He knew that.
Why would anyone know that?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
Because it's been all over the news the last week. He's just being a smart ass, because country music. hur hur hur.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 11:43:51 AM
Because it's been all over the news the last week. He's just being a smart ass, because country music. hur hur hur.
Who was playing hasn't been on any news report I have seen. That's about as significant as how much it cost to enter the concert
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
Jesus Phil, ok! He listens to 980 24/7/365. He's been interviewed, etc. do you guys even know what you're bitching about half the time?


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2017, 11:46:17 AM
I have trouble remembering his name because the shooting is the only reason I've ever heard of him. I don't have trouble remembering terrorists set off a bomb at an Ariana Grande concert, though.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
Radical change to timeline.  Security guy shot full 6 minutes prior to shooter opening up on crowd below. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 11:51:20 AM
Also lol at knowing who the UFC owner is but acting like you didn't know who was performing at the time. One of thee biggest country music stars out there right now. And I don't even like country music.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 11:52:23 AM
Wackycat08, you make a lot of assumptions about people, maybe stop doing that and you won't be wrong so often. Just some friend to friend advice
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
Radical change to timeline.  Security guy shot full 6 minutes prior to shooter opening up on crowd below. 
And?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 12:11:10 PM
Well dummy.    There was a "security" guy shot right outside the dudes hotel room before he started strafing the crowd.

The police didn't get there for another 15 minutes or so.

Work it out. 

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
Classic Obamaarapchinik MO
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 10, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
Well dummy.    There was a "security" guy shot right outside the dudes hotel room before he started strafing the crowd.

The police didn't get there for another 15 minutes or so.

Work it out.
What are we working out, Dax? 


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
eff those cops for not rushing in on a guy barricaded in a room who just fired 100+ rounds at a security guard!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
Someday they will make a movie about how the government and Las Vegas police conspired with a shooter to mass murder people and the one brave Mandalay Bay security guard who tried to stop it.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 10, 2017, 12:33:30 PM
Someday they will make a movie about how the government and Las Vegas police conspired with a shooter to mass murder people and the one brave Mandalay Bay security guard who tried to stop it.

Better be set to the outro music of "Freedom isn't free"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
Wackycat08, you make a lot of assumptions about people, maybe stop doing that and you won't be wrong so often. Just some friend to friend advice
To be fair, you do this daily with conservatives down here.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 12:44:58 PM
No, I don't.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 10, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
We gonna figure out who shot Tupac itt?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
Now that is a conspiracy theory I can get in on. #TeamVegasPDDidIt
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2017, 01:09:03 PM
No, I don't.
Sure thing, man.   :blindfold:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 02:12:56 PM
Try looking at Hotel Security first Gooch.   The guy didn’t have a radio?   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 02:28:44 PM
Try looking at Hotel Security first Gooch.   The guy didn’t have a radio?
Does this have to go on for 13 pages of hinting around or can you just post what hair brained thing you want everyone to believe in one post?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 02:32:03 PM
Try looking at Hotel Security first Gooch.   The guy didn’t have a radio?
Does this have to go on for 13 pages of hinting around or can you just post what hair brained thing you want everyone to believe in one post?

Nothing besides the lawsuits that are going to come along with an even greater vengeance. 

Damn, y’all are so butthurt. 

Oh and Gooch, that’s kind of what SWAT does.  Unless their plan is just to let the guy blast away until he’s out of ammo.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 02:34:34 PM
Obviously dax is talking about the future lawsuits guys
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
There is no conspiracy.   But that’s a huge change in the timeline. 

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
There is no conspiracy.   But that’s a huge change in the timeline.


Dammit
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 10, 2017, 02:44:48 PM
15 minutes for a SWAT team to get to a 32nd floor casino hotel room doesn’t seem like a long time. Unless the SWAT team was hanging out in the lobby of the casino.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
15 minutes for a SWAT team to get to a 32nd floor casino hotel room doesn’t seem like a long time. Unless the SWAT team was hanging out in the lobby of the casino.


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go on....

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 10, 2017, 02:57:47 PM
I can’t go on... I’m just saying that 15 minutes for SWAT to arrive after the guard was shot sounds reasonable.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
I don’t think it was SWAT.   Reportedly 5-6 mins between when casino security got shot and when the guy opened up on the crowd.   Again, the casino guy didn’t have a radio? Reportedly a maintenance guy got off the elevator after the Casino guy got shot completely unaware that a casino staffer had been wounded by gunfire on that floor.  The injured security guy reportedly stopped him from going down the hall further.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: treysolid on October 10, 2017, 03:05:37 PM
does this change in the timeline help establish motive?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2017, 03:06:55 PM
Guys, Dax isn't saying, he's just saying, you know?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 10, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
Quote
9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They no longer hear gunfire.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to Paddock’s room.

11:20 p.m.: Officers enter the room. They see Paddock on the ground and a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

11:27 p.m.: A second breach is set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-timeline-revised-20171009-story.html
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
:lol: oh Dax
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 10, 2017, 03:40:40 PM
I would've never guessed that a deadly and chaotic event involving thousands of people and hundreds of police officers would ever have a change in the timeline, and a purposely aloof bad person in North Carolina would provide us the clairvoyance hot takes seen ITT to set us all straight.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: ChiComCat on October 10, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
I don’t think it was SWAT.   Reportedly 5-6 mins between when casino security got shot and when the guy opened up on the crowd.   Again, the casino guy didn’t have a radio? Reportedly a maintenance guy got off the elevator after the Casino guy got shot completely unaware that a casino staffer had been wounded by gunfire on that floor.  The injured security guy reportedly stopped him from going down the hall further.

I'm not sure how long after security was shot that the maintenance guy got there, but there is a 1000% chance that the maintenance guy doesn't use the same radio channel that the security guy does. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
19 minute lag time between when security guy was shot and when he tells law enforcement where shooter is located. 

Again, he didn’t have a radio?

EABOD’s candyman. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 10, 2017, 03:47:11 PM
I'm still not sure what's going on here but I think maybe dax is calling the security guard a FP, TC, etc.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 04:03:38 PM
One thing for sure, a Casino that had nearly a half a billion in NET REVENUE during the last 6 months of FY 2017 isn't going to have much of an internal security command and control situation.    Probably just a couple of Paul Blart mall cop guys with pretend earpieces, really just listening to Pandora.

 

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
What's your... theory... here dax?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
What's your... theory... here dax?
8 pages to go for that. I already tried
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Skipper44 on October 10, 2017, 04:21:59 PM
is the "what happens in Mandalay Bay stays in Mandalay Bay" so strong that the security guy gets shot in his damn leg and doesn't call 911 for himself but stays there to tell the maintenance guy to stay back?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 10, 2017, 04:43:25 PM
19 minute lag time between when security guy was shot and when he tells law enforcement where shooter is located. 

Again, he didn’t have a radio?

EABOD’s candyman.

Oh daxy, do we want to keep playing this game of speculating before knowing all the facts. Keep standing on some dumbass hill like you always do just to make some weird point you geriatric windbag.

Also, how many bags should I send to you instead? I think a bunch of old wrinkly ones since you are one. I hear they look like dried apricots until the proper amount of Viagra-Cialis-late night infomercial-"enchantments-pills and a bottle of Sutter Home White Zin gets mixed together in a cocktail to perks that bad boy right up into something more palatable for you.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: IPA4Me on October 10, 2017, 04:44:44 PM
Maybe security guard mafia rules don't allow dialing 911.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2017, 04:53:29 PM
Strange that the shooter didn't kill the security guard. He must not have wanted that on his conscience.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CHONGS on October 10, 2017, 04:54:55 PM
Guys jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 05:08:43 PM
19 minute lag time between when security guy was shot and when he tells law enforcement where shooter is located. 

Again, he didn’t have a radio?

EABOD’s candyman.

Oh daxy, do we want to keep playing this game of speculating before knowing all the facts. Keep standing on some dumbass hill like you always do just to make some weird point you geriatric windbag.

Also, how many bags should I send to you instead? I think a bunch of old wrinkly ones since you are one. I hear they look like dried apricots until the proper amount of Viagra-Cialis-late night infomercial-"enchantments-pills and a bottle of Sutter Home White Zin gets mixed together in a cocktail to perks that bad boy right up into something more palatable for you.

Speculating?  Like reading the LVPD revised timeline, for example?  Reading headlines from entities like the LA Times, asking why it took so long to find the shooter in the age of, wait for it, real time communications? 

Sure there’s going to be some confusion, but not for 20 minutes you dumbass.  Not with hotel security on the same floor; yet apparently a billion dollar a year net revenue casino doesn’t have the ability to communicate in real time with local law enforcement over the RF methods available in the year of our FSM 2017?   

There’s no security command center at one of the largest and most profitable casino’s in the world?   Only by mere happen stance LVPD ran into the guy in the hallway?  (Read the timeline).

How many people died because of that 20 minute lag time?   

Sad effort candyman, sad.

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
It's not crazy if they all are really out to get you.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 05:11:27 PM
He only fired for 10 minutes dax
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: wetwillie on October 10, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
False flag all over this thing
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 10, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
19 minute lag time between when security guy was shot and when he tells law enforcement where shooter is located. 

Again, he didn’t have a radio?

EABOD’s candyman.

Oh daxy, do we want to keep playing this game of speculating before knowing all the facts. Keep standing on some dumbass hill like you always do just to make some weird point you geriatric windbag.

Also, how many bags should I send to you instead? I think a bunch of old wrinkly ones since you are one. I hear they look like dried apricots until the proper amount of Viagra-Cialis-late night infomercial-"enchantments-pills and a bottle of Sutter Home White Zin gets mixed together in a cocktail to perks that bad boy right up into something more palatable for you.

Speculating?  Like reading the LVPD revised timeline, for example?  Reading headlines from entities like the LA Times, asking why it took so long to find the shooter in the age of, wait for it, real time communications? 

Sure there’s going to be some confusion, but not for 20 minutes you dumbass.  Not with hotel security on the same floor; yet apparently a billion dollar a year net revenue casino doesn’t have the ability to communicate in real time with local law enforcement over the RF methods available in the year of our FSM 2017?   

There’s no security command center at one of the largest and most profitable casino’s in the world?   Only by mere happen stance LVPD ran into the guy in the hallway?  (Read the timeline).

How many people died because of that 20 minute lag time?   

Sad effort candyman, sad.


It's speculation until the entire story is known you dumbass. You think this will still look like this in a week? JFC maybe we'll known then why he didnt radio down, or that he did and the LVPD took a bit to get there due to the shooting. Maybe you'll get your Mandalay Bay lawsuit you want cause the dude didn't follow protocol, or he did. I haven't heard of what and why the security guard did what he did but apparently you know all.

You're entire existence is a pathetic worthless attempt. Maybe once we know more information those precious Q's you asked will get answered buttercup. Keep up
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
Dax is over here kneeling all over on PD and the work they do...NFL players have nothing on ole Daxie right now. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 10, 2017, 05:39:29 PM
Oh look another thread where a pack of hyenas try to outsmart Dax and make themselves look dumb
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 05:41:11 PM
What's your "theory" tubesock?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
19 minute lag time between when security guy was shot and when he tells law enforcement where shooter is located. 

Again, he didn’t have a radio?

EABOD’s candyman.

Oh daxy, do we want to keep playing this game of speculating before knowing all the facts. Keep standing on some dumbass hill like you always do just to make some weird point you geriatric windbag.

Also, how many bags should I send to you instead? I think a bunch of old wrinkly ones since you are one. I hear they look like dried apricots until the proper amount of Viagra-Cialis-late night infomercial-"enchantments-pills and a bottle of Sutter Home White Zin gets mixed together in a cocktail to perks that bad boy right up into something more palatable for you.

Speculating?  Like reading the LVPD revised timeline, for example?  Reading headlines from entities like the LA Times, asking why it took so long to find the shooter in the age of, wait for it, real time communications? 

Sure there’s going to be some confusion, but not for 20 minutes you dumbass.  Not with hotel security on the same floor; yet apparently a billion dollar a year net revenue casino doesn’t have the ability to communicate in real time with local law enforcement over the RF methods available in the year of our FSM 2017?   

There’s no security command center at one of the largest and most profitable casino’s in the world?   Only by mere happen stance LVPD ran into the guy in the hallway?  (Read the timeline).

How many people died because of that 20 minute lag time?   

Sad effort candyman, sad.


It's speculation until the entire story is known you dumbass. You think this will still look like this in a week? JFC maybe we'll known then why he didnt radio down, or that he did and the LVPD took a bit to get there due to the shooting. Maybe you'll get your Mandalay Bay lawsuit you want cause the dude didn't follow protocol, or he did. I haven't heard of what and why the security guard did what he did but apparently you know all.

You're entire existence is a pathetic worthless attempt. Maybe once we know more information those precious Q's you asked will get answered buttercup. Keep up

Nothing but the usual Captain Obvious takes from the mind of a butthurt simpleton.   

It doesn’t take weeks to determine the apparent lack of communication between LVPD and MB.   This isn’t 9-11 with 10 different federal agencies trying to figure it all out and multiple air control centers across multiple Federal platforms trying to figure out WTH is going on.  This is people on scene with phones and radios.  Two entities MB and LVPD with one asset with MB on the same floor apparently with a radio, 19 minutes, and only because LVPD and the security guy reportedly ran into each other did LVPD figure out where the perp was actually located. 

You apparently would rather be a butthurt DB, than ask WTF was going on with these people.   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
don't talk dax out of this guys
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 10, 2017, 06:04:29 PM
What's your... theory... here dax?
8 pages to go for that. I already tried

Actually I already said it pages ago.

FINALLY Dax made an appearance. I’m excited for this and how it’s Obama and Hillary’s fault.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 10, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
I know you guys are having fun with Dax... but doesn't it seem a little odd that it took 20 minutes from shooting that security guard to cops arriving at the 32nd floor? I mean, security have radios and there are cameras in every hallway. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but we haven't heard it yet. And that was a pretty important 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 06:27:41 PM
I know you guys are having fun with Dax... but doesn't it seem a little odd that it took 20 minutes from shooting that security guard to cops arriving at the 32nd floor? I mean, security have radios and there are cameras in every hallway. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but we haven't heard it yet. And that was a pretty important 20 minutes.

Slow, panicked, don't want to die?  Ultimately though he didn't shoot for the last 10 minutes of that so maybe they tried to seal off building, work their way up to make sure this nut job doesn't escape?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 10, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
pretty wild

I think its clear that in the chaos people just didn't connect the dots between a shooting in a hotel and the assault on the concert

they were probably like "forget that hotel garbage and get to the concert on the double!"
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2017, 06:30:30 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 06:31:09 PM
i think dax maybe expected the 10 dollar an hour security guys to swat this crap up and get the perp
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Gooch on October 10, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
Nope, the cops were too preoccupied by all the black helicopters circling.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 10, 2017, 06:32:57 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 06:35:23 PM
I don't think it would be surprising if the security guard called it in and they took some time to formulate a plan. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
In all seriousness I bet the big casinos don't involve police every time there's a gun shot in a room. Handle that crap internally, it's the Bill Self model.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 06:36:50 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
In all seriousness I bet the big casinos don't involve police every time there's a gun shot in a room. Handle that crap internally, it's the Bill Self model.

Or they take more than 6 minutes to consider the guest, circumstances etc.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
In all seriousness I bet the big casinos don't involve police every time there's a gun shot in a room. Handle that crap internally, it's the Bill Self model.

Or they take more than 6 minutes to consider the guest, circumstances etc.
Also reasonable!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
cia radio jammers?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2017, 06:40:04 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
In all seriousness I bet the big casinos don't involve police every time there's a gun shot in a room. Handle that crap internally, it's the Bill Self model.

Or they take more than 6 minutes to consider the guest, circumstances etc.
Also reasonable!
Not reasonable theory: Mandalay Bay and LVPD let this guy shoot 400 people because conspiracy
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 10, 2017, 06:40:17 PM
I don't think it would be surprising if the security guard called it in and they took some time to formulate a plan.

exactly.

Sad to see Dax attack our law enforcement professionals.  Daddy trump would not be happy with his disrespecting the flag/nation/pd like that.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 10, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
Is it actually that surprising that a billion dollar casino would not want to involve law enforcement instantly? I mean I'd think they would want as much as they can internally. Granted this is an insane case but still, watch oceans 11.

maybe they thought it was one of their resident mobsters just carrying-on and they were going to sweep it under the rug
In all seriousness I bet the big casinos don't involve police every time there's a gun shot in a room. Handle that crap internally, it's the Bill Self model.

Or they take more than 6 minutes to consider the guest, circumstances etc.
Also reasonable!
Not reasonable theory: Mandalay Bay and LVPD let this guy shoot 400 people because conspiracy

Are Trumpers reasonable logical people?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: CHONGS on October 10, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
He's just asking questions guys.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 10, 2017, 07:48:12 PM
Again though, security guard gets shot and the first guy to bump into him is a maintenance dude? How did the casino not at least have security up to that floor to rescue the guy within a few minutes? How long did it take the casino to call the police? I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, but it appears one or more people at MB seriously mumped up.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 10, 2017, 09:12:37 PM
i think i recognize that security guard as a sandy hook dad crisis actor

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 10, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
i think i recognize that security guard as a sandy hook dad crisis actor

Knew it
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2017, 03:05:24 AM
The timeline and narrative now says “200 rounds” fired at the security guard, 5-6 minutes before Paddock opens up on the crowd. 

A 5-6 minute warning something was seriously wrong on the 32nd floor of the MB.  Yet no one from LVPD or armed MB security (they have them per LA Times) gets there for nearly 20 minutes and they reportedly only figure out where the shooter was located after running into the MB security guy who has reportedly been on the 32nd floor either on a house phone or radio nearly the entire time?

The hotel has high speed express elevators. 

Time stamps from security cameras are off.  (LA Times).

MB is going to get their asses sued off.



Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2017, 03:16:00 AM
MGM/MB through a NYC PR firm now disputing revised LVPD timeline.   But with no details.

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
Second hotel employee told NBC news he was on 32nd floor and both he and wounded security guy radioed in that there was a shooter on 32nd floor 5-6 minutes before Paddock opened up on concert. 

“Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline “changes everything.”

“There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could’ve been mitigated,” he said.”  (AP News)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 11, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
Why again is it surprising the cops did not bust down a door and prevent this? I honestly don't understand why 20 minutes or so is surprising for the cops to respond.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 11, 2017, 04:15:28 PM
Dax hates police
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: michigancat on October 11, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Why again is it surprising the cops did not bust down a door and prevent this? I honestly don't understand why 20 minutes or so is surprising for the cops to respond.


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I mean they say he fired 200 rounds at the security guard? Like yeah maybe don't just bust down the door storm trooper style here.
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
I don’t think anyone said rush the rough ridin' room on your own, ya dumbasses.

Per the latest timeline it took them 20 minutes just to find the floor the guy was on, and per the timeline that sounds like shear happenstance.    Yet two dudes were telling hotel security et al it was the 32nd floor.

FFS, this is not hard.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: treysolid on October 11, 2017, 04:30:09 PM
so the point that you're trying to make is that the hotel is partially culpable? ok.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
Why didn't they get a sniper on a helicopter stat?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
That's my question.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2017, 04:34:32 PM
Lmao at everyone thinking they had to come through the door. Amateurs.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 11, 2017, 04:43:34 PM
Maybe when they completely revise the timeline to include the above, the facts are not all known and there is a lot more to come out?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Phil Titola on October 11, 2017, 04:58:34 PM
True lies taught us how to end this sitch
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 11, 2017, 05:28:38 PM
This sheriff makes that Arapio look like a pro
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 11, 2017, 05:34:32 PM
This sheriff makes that Arapio look like a pro

He would have had a human shield of 10 messicans bust in that place within 5 minutes
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 11, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
Haven’t read the thread in a long time, but is dax in here doing his daxpiracies yet?? :excited:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 11, 2017, 06:29:57 PM
And someone give me a TL; DR on how this was all funded by George Soros, tia
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 11, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Haven’t read the thread in a long time, but is dax in here doing his daxpiracies yet?? :excited:

this thread most definitely deserves a good read
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
SB never wasting a moment to remind people he’s a dumbass.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2017, 08:15:09 AM
Now audio of maintenance calling in the shooter, very noticeably saying it was the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline,  LVPD didn’t  arrive for nearly 20 minutes and only discovered it was the 32nd floor by encountering the wounded MB security guy.   Who was also reportedly telling his people it was the 32nd floor. 

MB maintenance guy told his people to call the police because someone was shooting at him (them) on the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline Paddock doesn’t start firing on the crowd until 6 minutes after MB personnel had encountered him and reportedly radioed in their encounter. 

Per AP and LA Times there were already LVPD officers in the hotel before the incident started. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2017, 08:54:37 AM
Links are appreciated as we expose this farce together, Dax.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 12, 2017, 08:55:50 AM
Now audio of maintenance calling in the shooter, very noticeably saying it was the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline,  LVPD didn’t  arrive for nearly 20 minutes and only discovered it was the 32nd floor by encountering the wounded MB security guy.   Who was also reportedly telling his people it was the 32nd floor. 

MB maintenance guy told his people to call the police because someone was shooting at him (them) on the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline Paddock doesn’t start firing on the crowd until 6 minutes after MB personnel had encountered him and reportedly radioed in their encounter. 

Per AP and LA Times there were already LVPD officers in the hotel before the incident started.

K. So what do you think explains the length of time it took the police to get up there?


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Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2017, 08:59:14 AM
Either MB was trying to throw them off the trail by feeding them false information or the police were hesitant to run guns blazing toward a heavily armed barricaded suspect who may have had accomplices throughout the building. Unclear at this point, but me and Dax are getting close to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2017, 08:59:47 AM
Now audio of maintenance calling in the shooter, very noticeably saying it was the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline,  LVPD didn’t  arrive for nearly 20 minutes and only discovered it was the 32nd floor by encountering the wounded MB security guy.   Who was also reportedly telling his people it was the 32nd floor. 

MB maintenance guy told his people to call the police because someone was shooting at him (them) on the 32nd floor. 

Per the revised timeline Paddock doesn’t start firing on the crowd until 6 minutes after MB personnel had encountered him and reportedly radioed in their encounter. 

Per AP and LA Times there were already LVPD officers in the hotel before the incident started.

K. So what do you think explains the length of time it took the police to get up there?


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Lack of communication between MB and LVPD.  Which if so is very surprising at a place that handles so much money, events and tourists etc etc.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2017, 09:00:52 AM
The one time I stayed in Las Vegas it honest to God took me twenty minutes to walk from my room at the far end of the hotel to the strip.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 12, 2017, 09:11:04 AM
The one time I stayed in Las Vegas it honest to God took me twenty minutes to walk from my room at the far end of the hotel to the strip.

Canco it can take a long time. Just walking on the big ass sidewalk from where Caesar's begins at the Mirage to Flamingo Rd is a legit 10 minute walk, and I don't walk very slow. That's outside.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 06:15:21 AM
A single perp and two weeks later the timeline is still all over the map.  Now MGMMB says perp opened up on crowd seconds after shooting at MGMMB personnel.   

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 13, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
A single perp and two weeks later the timeline is still all over the map.  Now MGMMB says perp opened up on crowd seconds after shooting at MGMMB personnel.

This seems more believable as he knew the heat would be coming and his little bell tower fantasy was about to be interrupted.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: cfbandyman on October 13, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
A single perp and two weeks later the timeline is still all over the map.  Now MGMMB says perp opened up on crowd seconds after shooting at MGMMB personnel.

This seems more believable as he knew the heat would be coming and his little bell tower fantasy was about to be interrupted.

Only fuels the daxspiracy that Mandalay is trying to protect it's ass but normal people still will wait until all people got things in order. 11 days is not some ungodly amount of time to make something is sure for something of this magnitude.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 09:00:59 PM
A single perp and two weeks later the timeline is still all over the map.  Now MGMMB says perp opened up on crowd seconds after shooting at MGMMB personnel.

This seems more believable as he knew the heat would be coming and his little bell tower fantasy was about to be interrupted.

Only fuels the daxspiracy that Mandalay is trying to protect it's ass but normal people still will wait until all people got things in order. 11 days is not some ungodly amount of time to make something is sure for something of this magnitude.

It’s a single perp, you don’t need weeks to put together a proper timeline for an incident that occurred inside a modern billion dollar casino with thousands of security cameras, and law enforcement operating on a 911 platform that records and time stamps everything etc etc etc.

You and Gooch need to get a room in the perpetually butthurt hotel. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: treysolid on October 13, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
dax is obviously upset that motive hasn't been established yet
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
To be fair, I'd like to learn more before making a conclusion. I obviously don't think it was the government pinning some POS gambling addict up the road, but I'm still a lil curious if there's more to the story. It's just a super weird event with many questions unanswered.
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
Using candyman logic, why even release timeline as fast as they did  if it’s such an expansive process that takes weeks upon weeks?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 13, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
To be fair, I'd like to learn more before making a conclusion. I obviously don't think it was the government pinning some POS gambling addict up the road, but I'm still a lil curious if there's more to the story. It's just a super weird event with many questions unanswered.

Why would you want concrete facts when you can wear your Dax2047 aluminum helmet and have new facts beamed to you every hour?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love a good conspiracy theory, but now is not the time. So weird this guy was some what "normal" tho.  I follow this story daily because I want answers, but there's nothing so far.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 09:45:59 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love a good conspiracy theory, but now is not the time. So weird this guy was some what "normal" tho.  I follow this story daily because I want answers, but there's nothing so far.


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Questioning the massively fluctuating timeline from an incident involving one guy in a modern American city is not a conspiracy theory.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4978254/Vegas-guard-disappears-moments-talking-press.html


Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 13, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
That’s a link I would trust
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 09:49:09 PM
That’s a link I would trust

It’s in multiple sources edn.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 13, 2017, 09:49:57 PM
That’s a link I would trust

It’s in multiple sources edn.

Infowars I’m sure.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
It's Friday night guys! Come on.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: The Big Train on October 13, 2017, 09:52:52 PM
It's Friday night guys! Come on.

I just don’t want this to effect his business travel.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
It's Friday night guys! Come on.

i just woke up from a 3 hour nap.  now i'm hungry  :frown:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
Such an amazing butthurt dumbass.

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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
https://nyti.ms/2z5Ks3J
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
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Emergency radio traffic from that evening, however, details a chaotic scene in which the police were fielding reports of multiple shooters and mass casualties in the minutes after Mr. Paddock began firing on the crowd. While officers almost immediately identified a high floor of the Mandalay Bay as a source of gunfire, they believed that there were suspects on more than one floor. Hotel dispatchers also received multiple calls with conflicting information, according to a person familiar with the security response inside the hotel.

imagine that...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2017, 10:13:28 PM
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Emergency radio traffic from that evening, however, details a chaotic scene in which the police were fielding reports of multiple shooters and mass casualties in the minutes after Mr. Paddock began firing on the crowd. While officers almost immediately identified a high floor of the Mandalay Bay as a source of gunfire, they believed that there were suspects on more than one floor. Hotel dispatchers also received multiple calls with conflicting information, according to a person familiar with the security response inside the hotel.

imagine that...

Never disputed that at all.  Still doesn’t explain why only a happenstance meeting allowed LVPD to determine it was the 32nd floor when 2 MGMMB employees were saying it was the 32nd floor from the moment it started. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2017, 10:37:10 PM
It's Friday night guys! Come on.

i just woke up from a 3 hour nap.  now i'm hungry  :frown:
I need deets on what you choose. :lick:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
you're gonna hate it but i just ordered picklemans (sorry mrs wackycat08)
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: catastrophe on October 13, 2017, 10:48:42 PM
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Emergency radio traffic from that evening, however, details a chaotic scene in which the police were fielding reports of multiple shooters and mass casualties in the minutes after Mr. Paddock began firing on the crowd. While officers almost immediately identified a high floor of the Mandalay Bay as a source of gunfire, they believed that there were suspects on more than one floor. Hotel dispatchers also received multiple calls with conflicting information, according to a person familiar with the security response inside the hotel.

imagine that...

Don't....don't ruin this for Dax.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 13, 2017, 10:51:06 PM
Yes yes yes
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 14, 2017, 12:02:34 AM
you're gonna hate it but i just ordered picklemans (sorry mrs wackycat08)
That's on her. Deets on what is in between the loaf.  :love:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
Turkey bacon and provolone  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2017, 08:51:02 AM
“Another timeline shift marks days of confusion” New York Times

Resident Libs who will believe anything from any source, even government agencies they typically revile and distrust to their core . . . as long as it advances their cause:  Oh but ya see this is typical and not surprising at all, ya see.   
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
I had such high hopes for this thread.  Multiple shooters in hotel, shooters in the concert crowd, medical assistance intentionally delayed to raise death toll, crisis actors.  It's all fizzled into a muddled dispute over a not final timeline which at worst indicates lvpd was slow in crashing the room.

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
“Another timeline shift marks days of confusion” New York Times

Resident Libs who will believe anything from any source, even government agencies they typically revile and distrust to their core . . . as long as it advances their cause:  Oh but ya see this is typical and not surprising at all, ya see.

but srsly what cause is being advanced?
Title: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
“Another timeline shift marks days of confusion” New York Times

Resident Libs who will believe anything from any source, even government agencies they typically revile and distrust to their core . . . as long as it advances their cause:  Oh but ya see this is typical and not surprising at all, ya see.

but srsly what cause is being advanced?

Why do you think there’s a cause?  It’s just an observation of the inherent weirdness of the predominantly Lib faction in this forum and the wholesale course of the lib movement that never trusted The Man. 
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 14, 2017, 09:02:31 AM
when the feds announce in their presser tomorrow that this attack was precipitated by an insensitive youtube video, SWHTF*

*crap will hit the fan, for you non-prepers
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 14, 2017, 09:09:35 AM
when the feds announce in their presser tomorrow that this attack was precipitated by an insensitive youtube video, SWHTF*

*crap will hit the fan, for you non-prepers
I think you mean SWHTO (crap will hit the oscillator).
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
I think the conspiracy folks would say the gov does this to create a backlash significant enough to enact tougher gun control with the long game of disarming the populace so they can take over.

Obviously if that's the plan it has been insanely unsuccessful but some people think our own government crashed 2 commercial jetliners in to the WTC so...
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 09:16:52 AM
That being said our gov is capable of some devious crap.  They just aren't capable of doing this time after time.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 14, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
My personal hope is that Mandalay Bay did not involve themselves in the murder of a bunch of innocent people and also that their rooms are still very cheap in November because I really like their hotel.


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
MB: we didn't conspire to domestic terrorisn/loosest slots on the strip!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: SdK on October 14, 2017, 09:27:43 AM
My personal hope is that Mandalay Bay did not involve themselves in the murder of a bunch of innocent people and also that their rooms are still very cheap in November because I really like their hotel.


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Canary checked for his annual half marathon. They were not very cheap during the weekend of the Hard Rock Cafe Run.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
My personal hope is that Mandalay Bay did not involve themselves in the murder of a bunch of innocent people and also that their rooms are still very cheap in November because I really like their hotel.


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Canary checked for his annual half marathon. They were not very cheap during the weekend of the Hard Rock Cafe Run.

Domestic terrorism conspiracies are expensive AF.  They have to pass it on to consumer
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 14, 2017, 10:11:49 AM
MB CEO:  if we are going to help this guy machine gun the Aldean concert we need to get our cash reserves up
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: mocat on October 14, 2017, 01:05:20 PM
I think the conspiracy folks would say the gov does this to create a backlash significant enough to enact tougher gun control with the long game of disarming the populace so they can take over.

Obviously if that's the plan it has been insanely unsuccessful but some people think our own government crashed 2 commercial jetliners in to the WTC so...
As I think puni said earlier, we already decided that nothing needed to be done after 20 six year olds were killed
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 20, 2017, 11:27:54 AM
sigh
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 20, 2017, 07:25:39 PM
Cmon guys, how about a second shooter, for old times sake?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: puniraptor on October 20, 2017, 08:48:54 PM
everything is already back to normal. even the people who got shot in the head are out of the hospital and forgot all about it.

see you guys next time!
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 20, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
Successful bump stock grab by the government
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 22, 2017, 06:40:31 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473328/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-12-bursts.html (https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473328/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-12-bursts.html)

This is the most definitive timeline I've seen.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Kat Kid on October 25, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
https://twitter.com/LisaGinKC/status/923231783377952768 (https://twitter.com/LisaGinKC/status/923231783377952768)

seems like a normal family
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Tobias on October 25, 2017, 12:41:23 PM
have they figured out who actually did it yet?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Trim on October 25, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Gonna need to hear more from the bro in florida now.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 25, 2017, 01:19:02 PM
have they figured out who actually did it yet?
OJ


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Institutional Control on October 27, 2017, 06:55:16 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/las-vegas-shooting-victims-slammed-death-threats-article-1.3591391?cid=aol


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Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: bucket on December 15, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
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Oregon Senior T Tyrell Crosby will wear No. 58 in the Las Vegas Bowl against Boise State on Saturday to honor the victims of the mass shooting in October.

Crosby normally wears No. 73, but will change it to 58 to honor the 58 victims who were killed at a concert event in the city in early October. Crosby is from Las Vegas, and has made mention that the game means a great deal to him personally. He's considered one of the best senior tackle prospects in the country, and had the highest rated pass-blocking grade of any Pac-12 lineman according to Pro Football Focus. Dec 15 - 5:26 PM

Source: College Football Talk

Nothing political about this. Sounds like a great kid.
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 15, 2017, 04:50:28 PM
Yeah Bucket, and the flow of information about that tragedy has been like a rampaging river over the last 8 weeks.

Really makes you feel good about the transparency of the situation to see that kind of public communication of what exactly happened that terrible night.

Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
What's your theory dax?
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 16, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Yeah Bucket, and the flow of information about that tragedy has been like a rampaging river over the last 8 weeks.

Really makes you feel good about the transparency of the situation to see that kind of public communication of what exactly happened that terrible night.

 :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Vegas shooting
Post by: renocat on December 16, 2017, 04:57:26 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3453393/Is-revolver-red-planet-Conspiracy-theorists-claim-spotted-hand-gun.html
Ever notice how things go quiet when aliens enter the conversation.
I bet one of those gangly green gun toting martians from Area 51.