Post by: Trim on November 03, 2017, 09:29:37 AM
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"I did not perform very well in front of Sean," McCrane recalled of that camp, which followed many others in a short span, thus the sore leg and errant kicks. "He said, 'Ignore that. I don't care if it goes in. I'm watching your technique.' That's when it kind of stuck out to me that at this place, special teams are of importance."
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/2017/11/2/football-k-state-special-teams-continues-tradition-of-high-level-performance.aspx
Post by: catastrophe on November 03, 2017, 09:39:01 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2017, 09:56:08 AM
Sean is a really good special teams coach.
Pretty consistent during Snyder 2.0.
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 03, 2017, 10:00:47 AM
Keep Sean at special teams. Make stud hire for HCSean is a really good special teams coach.
Pretty consistent during Snyder 2.0.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
Guys like Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cohwer, & Bill Belichick did have short OC/DC roles, but came up mainly as ST guys.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 03, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on November 03, 2017, 01:00:51 PM
Just because its rare (especially in college), doesn't mean it can't work. John Harbaugh only had STC roles before becoming a head coach. The Chief's STC Dave Toub was interviewed by multiple teams for HC spots and has only been a ST guy.
Guys like Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cohwer, & Bill Belichick did have short OC/DC roles, but came up mainly as ST guys.
so why has this not happened at college football? Are we to believe Bill is truly that much smarter than every single AD in the country and that 9 seasons as a Special Teams coach and 14 years working in an administrative role makes him the best hire K-State can make?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2017, 01:02:59 PM
Just because its rare (especially in college), doesn't mean it can't work. John Harbaugh only had STC roles before becoming a head coach. The Chief's STC Dave Toub was interviewed by multiple teams for HC spots and has only been a ST guy.
Guys like Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cohwer, & Bill Belichick did have short OC/DC roles, but came up mainly as ST guys.
so why has this not happened at college football? Are we to believe Bill is truly that much smarter than every single AD in the country and that 9 seasons as a Special Teams coach and 14 years working in an administrative role makes him the best hire K-State can make?
No one said that. I certainly didn't and that wasn't my point.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 03, 2017, 01:06:13 PM
Just because its rare (especially in college), doesn't mean it can't work. John Harbaugh only had STC roles before becoming a head coach. The Chief's STC Dave Toub was interviewed by multiple teams for HC spots and has only been a ST guy.
Guys like Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cohwer, & Bill Belichick did have short OC/DC roles, but came up mainly as ST guys.
so why has this not happened at college football? Are we to believe Bill is truly that much smarter than every single AD in the country and that 9 seasons as a Special Teams coach and 14 years working in an administrative role makes him the best hire K-State can make?
No one said that. I certainly didn't and that wasn't my point.
fair, i shouldn't have tried to put that on you but even if i change that statement to "makes him a succesful hire" i stand by it.
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Post by: scottwildcat on November 03, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
I think consistently good st play shows a tremendous attention to detail and focus. Good teaching ability too. It’s not just lining up more talented people.
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isn't the fun old talking point about how k-state plays their starters on ST contradictory to your not lining up more talented people statement?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2017, 01:32:16 PM
I think consistently good st play shows a tremendous attention to detail and focus. Good teaching ability too. It’s not just lining up more talented people.
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isn't the fun old talking point about how k-state plays their starters on ST contradictory to your not lining up more talented people statement?
I don't think they we really do though. We have skilled returners (like everyone else), but the guys getting tackles against returns usually aren't starters.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 03, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
I think consistently good st play shows a tremendous attention to detail and focus. Good teaching ability too. It’s not just lining up more talented people.
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isn't the fun old talking point about how k-state plays their starters on ST contradictory to your not lining up more talented people statement?
I don't think they we really do though. We have skilled returners (like everyone else), but the guys getting tackles against returns usually aren't starters.
you're probably right, but i hear that talking point like 4 times a season so i was just being an ass.
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 03, 2017, 03:23:59 PM
our special teams excellence extends far beyond sean’s tenure, remember too that he was an all american on special teams himself
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 03, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Just because its rare (especially in college), doesn't mean it can't work. John Harbaugh only had STC roles before becoming a head coach. The Chief's STC Dave Toub was interviewed by multiple teams for HC spots and has only been a ST guy.
Guys like Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cohwer, & Bill Belichick did have short OC/DC roles, but came up mainly as ST guys.
Sure, but due to the family thing, I'd feel better (as I think many would) if he proved himself elsewhere in addition to being successful here.
Post by: LickNeckey on November 03, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
If it works you know immediately.
If it doesn't you know immediately.
Coaches kids don't get long ropes.
see Knight/Sutton situ's
Post by: meow meow on November 03, 2017, 03:33:56 PM
I have convinced myself that if you do not get Venables/Leavitt that Sean is the correct hire.
If it works you know immediately.
If it doesn't you know immediately.
Coaches kids don't get long ropes.
see Knight/Sutton situ's
wtf
he goes 6-6 his first 2 years what happens?
Post by: catastrophe on November 03, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
Post by: meow meow on November 03, 2017, 03:38:07 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 03, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
If he loses to KU either of those years he’s out. Otherwise he gets another year.
KSU would never fire a 2 year coach unless they went 0 fer...
Post by: kslim on November 03, 2017, 03:45:55 PM
id say it all depends on how he got to 6-6 if its not trending up in year two and especially year 3 he would be out. i mean hell what is he 58?I have convinced myself that if you do not get Venables/Leavitt that Sean is the correct hire.
If it works you know immediately.
If it doesn't you know immediately.
Coaches kids don't get long ropes.
see Knight/Sutton situ's
wtf
he goes 6-6 his first 2 years what happens?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 03, 2017, 03:49:25 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 03, 2017, 03:56:34 PM
Hiring Sean is just such a waste of time. I want Venables or some up-and-comer from the non-FBS ranks.
we aren't getting Venables, he'll go someplace but not here after the run he's had.
We really should have run at PJ Fleck
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2017, 03:58:14 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 03, 2017, 04:03:49 PM
Ppl say that every year about venebles, but somehow he's still there. :dunno:
this is his 5th year at Clemson. He was at OU for 12. I'm sure he's not in a big hurry, but I think he'll start trying to get started as a HC in the next 2 years.
Post by: kslim on November 03, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
Ppl say that every year about venebles, but somehow he's still there. :dunno:crazy to think but he may actually be happy where he is at, he is paid very well after all. i mean hell bill had offers and never left maybe thats it, i dont know. it could also be that the only time our hc position was open our ad mumped it up and now that it will be open again he might be interested
Post by: pissclams on November 03, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Ppl say that every year about venebles, but somehow he's still there. :dunno:sad that people like to come up with some conspiracy theory about him
like slime said, he’s happy coaching at primo schools and is waiting for the job that he wants, (which isn’t ours)
Post by: 3gQ@T on November 03, 2017, 04:19:20 PM
Post by: kslim on November 03, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
ouchPpl say that every year about venebles, but somehow he's still there. :dunno:sad that people like to come up with some conspiracy theory about him
like slime said, he’s happy coaching at primo schools and is waiting for the job that he wants, (which isn’t ours)
Post by: kslim on November 03, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?throw in hayes and you got yourself a deal
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
if Sean were to become a good, not even great head coach at K-State that would be the first time in major college sports a son takes over for his dad and is successful and the first P5 football HC to be successful with only special teams experience.
So?
Post by: The Big Train on November 03, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
if Sean were to become a good, not even great head coach at K-State that would be the first time in major college sports a son takes over for his dad and is successful and the first P5 football HC to be successful with only special teams experience.
So?
Yeah I don’t get what this has to do with anything.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 03, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
Honestly, the prospect is only palatable to me if he keeps Dimel because I don't have much faith in his ability to go hire quality coaches. This season has really soured me on the idea of Sean because the offense has been so bad under Dimel, but we have had pretty good offenses with him more years than not.
Post by: bones129 on November 03, 2017, 11:50:52 PM
if Sean were to become a good, not even great head coach at K-State that would be the first time in major college sports a son takes over for his dad and is successful and the first P5 football HC to be successful with only special teams experience.
So?
Yeah I don’t get what this has to do with anything.
Not very inspiring. Doesn't make me want Sean. Can't even give him any points for it.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 04, 2017, 06:39:44 AM
if Sean were to become a good, not even great head coach at K-State that would be the first time in major college sports a son takes over for his dad and is successful and the first P5 football HC to be successful with only special teams experience.
So?
I’m pointing out how stupidly unlikely he’ll be successful based on the history of coaching.
Post by: goCats101 on November 04, 2017, 07:34:33 AM
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
if Sean were to become a good, not even great head coach at K-State that would be the first time in major college sports a son takes over for his dad and is successful and the first P5 football HC to be successful with only special teams experience.
So?
I’m pointing out how stupidly unlikely he’ll be successful based on the history of coaching.
Well if we get Venables it would be the first time a P5 head coach was successful after being a defensive coordinator in the state of South Carolina and then coming to Kansas to follow after a coach of at least 70 years old whose name is on the stadium.
So there are risks all around I guess is what I’m saying.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 04, 2017, 09:53:58 AM
Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
That's fair, Prince had Top 20 special teams every year he was here.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
Are we really not giving Sean credit for having good special teams for twenty years running?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2017, 04:29:15 PM
Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
Are we really not giving Sean credit for having good special teams for twenty years running?
My theory is that some have just become so used to good special teams that they just assume everyone is like that :dunno:
Post by: goCats101 on November 04, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
Are we really not giving Sean credit for having good special teams for twenty years running?
Not taking anything away from Sean's accomplishments coaching special teams.
Point I was trying to make is that it may be necessary but certainly not sufficient criteria alone to forecast his success as a head coach. Case in point being Tim Tibesar, who did very poorly as a DC when handed the keys in Ron's 2nd year.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 04, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
Stop trying to give him credit for the last twenty years. He wasn’t coaching until 2009Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
Are we really not giving Sean credit for having good special teams for twenty years running?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Stop trying to give him credit for the last twenty years. He wasn’t coaching until 2009Meh, I seem to remember Tim Tibesar coaching a respectable special teams in Ron's first year.
Are we really not giving Sean credit for having good special teams for twenty years running?
I'm not going to look up the documented evidence but I'm 100% certain that Sean did special teams work before 2009. Maybe other person can back this up, but I believe the reason he was named an actual coach in 2009 because the rules on how many coaches you're allowed changed from 05 to 09. Either that and/or we had less budgetary restrictions during Snyder 2.0.
He wasn't allowed to be on the field during games but I know for a fact he was working with kickers during the DOD.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 04, 2017, 09:45:09 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on November 04, 2017, 09:48:38 PM
https://issuu.com/k-statesports/docs/11fbmediaguide
Post by: scottwildcat on November 04, 2017, 09:49:37 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2017, 10:27:38 PM
Scott, I truly don't care enough. Give him credit, don't give him credit, constantly talking about Sean Snyder is ridiculous and exhausting.Had anyone mentioned that he should have been a coordinator at another school if he wanted to be head coach yet?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 10:30:43 PM
Scott, I truly don't care enough. Give him credit, don't give him credit, constantly talking about Sean Snyder is ridiculous and exhausting.Had anyone mentioned that he should have been a coordinator at another school if he wanted to be head coach yet?
Nope. Never. Not once.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 10, 2017, 11:14:53 AM
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 10, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
From footballscoop:
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LOL
Post by: LickNeckey on November 10, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
From footballscoop:
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this is an interview process i could support.
however i think football scoop should be made aware of the candidacy of Sean Snyder and his 20 plus years of special team dominance
Post by: kso_FAN on November 10, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
Pretty funny piece IMO. http://footballscoop.com/news/footballscoops-nuclear-winter-3-0/
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Post by: LickNeckey on November 10, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 10, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
is it troublesome that footballscoop.com has probably just conducted a more thorough and legitimate hiring process than we used to hire Weber?
:lol:
Post by: ben ji on November 10, 2017, 12:17:11 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 10, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Post by: manpow5 on November 10, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
I am definitely outing my identy to some here by making this statement, but oh well.
Heard from a friend who talked with an intoxicated Sean Snyders son that his dad deserves a chance and his first order of business would be to clean house (keeping coleman and klein and some other small guys) and bring in younger coordinators. Apparently Seans son was drunk at the KU game and yelled so many slurs towards dimel that Dimel's wife got up and left pissed off.
Post by: Trim on November 10, 2017, 01:19:36 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
I am definitely outing my identy to some here by making this statement, but oh well.
Heard from a friend who talked with an intoxicated Sean Snyders son that his dad deserves a chance and his first order of business would be to clean house (keeping coleman and klein and some other small guys) and bring in younger coordinators. Apparently Seans son was drunk at the KU game and yelled so many slurs towards dimel that Dimel's wife got up and left pissed off.
Hmmm, the timelines don’t match up but sean snyder might be pvegs’ dad.
Post by: IPA4Me on November 10, 2017, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 10, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
:lol:
Post by: scottwildcat on November 10, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
I am definitely outing my identy to some here by making this statement, but oh well.
Heard from a friend who talked with an intoxicated Sean Snyders son that his dad deserves a chance and his first order of business would be to clean house (keeping coleman and klein and some other small guys) and bring in younger coordinators. Apparently Seans son was drunk at the KU game and yelled so many slurs towards dimel that Dimel's wife got up and left pissed off.
i still wouldn't want Sean, but i don't really care anymore. I just want Bill to retire.
Post by: meow meow on November 10, 2017, 03:03:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
I am definitely outing my identy to some here by making this statement, but oh well.
Heard from a friend who talked with an intoxicated Sean Snyders son that his dad deserves a chance and his first order of business would be to clean house (keeping coleman and klein and some other small guys) and bring in younger coordinators. Apparently Seans son was drunk at the KU game and yelled so many slurs towards dimel that Dimel's wife got up and left pissed off.
Well, yeah. We keep hearing about assistants getting upset when Sean was named the interim last spring, that's clearly Dimel, it can't be anyone else.
Post by: Pete on November 10, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 10, 2017, 06:12:02 PM
How much easier would it be to swallow Sean being the HC if he came out and fired Dimel the first day on the job?
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Post by: Pete on November 11, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
If Sean is head coach, we'll swap roles with Iowa State and battle KU for last place every year.
We already are.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 11, 2017, 06:37:24 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 11, 2017, 06:46:33 PM
What has happened to Dimel ?
he's a garbage coach is what has happened
Post by: ksupamplemousse on November 14, 2017, 04:19:49 PM
What has happened to Dimel ?
Del Miller retired.
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
If Sean is head coach, we'll swap roles with Iowa State and battle KU for last place every year.
Seriously, this is already happening which is just another reason Bill needs to go this year.
We need a completely new coaching staff and face of the program. People who want Sean to be the head coach are simply clinging to the idea that Bill can still work magic and another championship lies ahead. Wanting Sean to take over has very little to do with Sean's performance as a coach, and a lot to do with an unhealthy idolatry of Bill.
Post by: Winters on November 15, 2017, 11:04:58 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 15, 2017, 11:17:37 AM
Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Post by: MadCat on November 15, 2017, 02:11:34 PM
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on November 15, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Oh god, are you implying that our Admin might actually consider Dimel as the head guy? Tell me I'm wrong.
Post by: kslim on November 15, 2017, 02:44:54 PM
could be wrong but i think what he is saying is that dana is calling plays to help his position at another school after this year (which we all know isnt working very well for him)Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Oh god, are you implying that our Admin might actually consider Dimel as the head guy? Tell me I'm wrong.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 15, 2017, 03:06:46 PM
could be wrong but i think what he is saying is that dana is calling plays to help his position at another school after this year (which we all know isnt working very well for him)Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Oh god, are you implying that our Admin might actually consider Dimel as the head guy? Tell me I'm wrong.
Yes, pretty much this.
Whether or not the admin would consider it or not, its not crazy that Dimel would think he has a chance at the job considering he's been a head coach before. He probably sees the only in-house competition as Sean and I'm sure Dana would believe that he is the better candidate.
Post by: DQ12 on November 15, 2017, 03:16:36 PM
Back in 2014, I remember thinking that Dana would be a natural fit to replace Snyder. At the time, it made sense. He'd put together a string of some effective offenses (save for '13), and he had "CEO" experience.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 15, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
Neither are great candidates.
Back in 2014, I remember thinking that Dana would be a natural fit to replace Snyder. At the time, it made sense. He'd put together a string of some effective offenses (save for '13), and he had "CEO" experience.
I thought the same. No way now though. You just can't have the last 3 seasons and think anyone on the current staff is worthy of the job.
Post by: DQ12 on November 15, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
Oh absolutely not.Neither are great candidates.
Back in 2014, I remember thinking that Dana would be a natural fit to replace Snyder. At the time, it made sense. He'd put together a string of some effective offenses (save for '13), and he had "CEO" experience.
I thought the same. No way now though.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on November 15, 2017, 03:44:20 PM
could be wrong but i think what he is saying is that dana is calling plays to help his position at another school after this year (which we all know isnt working very well for him)Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Oh god, are you implying that our Admin might actually consider Dimel as the head guy? Tell me I'm wrong.
Yes, pretty much this.
Whether or not the admin would consider it or not, its not crazy that Dimel would think he has a chance at the job considering he's been a head coach before. He probably sees the only in-house competition as Sean and I'm sure Dana would believe that he is the better candidate.
I see, makes sense. Dana would definitely think he has a shot, even if it is a long shot from any objective analysis. I mean, wouldn't they hire Sean before Dana?
If we are going to go the non-Sean, continuity route, than I want to bring in an up and comer. The trouble of course is that if you land someone like Matt Campbell who turns out well, then he'll probably leave for a more prestigious job. Of course, this brings me back to Gary Patterson, (or some quality guy with a KSU connect) but he is in the midst of becoming a Snyder like figure in Fort Worth. Things are not well my friends. Things are not well. The idea of Venables is pretty laughable. His first choice would never be to take over for a legend in MHK. Being a high paid assistant coach has to be a very nice gig. Why leave that for KSU?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 08:38:08 AM
I see, makes sense. Dana would definitely think he has a shot, even if it is a long shot from any objective analysis. I mean, wouldn't they hire Sean before Dana?
If we are going to go the non-Sean, continuity route, than I want to bring in an up and comer. The trouble of course is that if you land someone like Matt Campbell who turns out well, then he'll probably leave for a more prestigious job. Of course, this brings me back to Gary Patterson, (or some quality guy with a KSU connect) but he is in the midst of becoming a Snyder like figure in Fort Worth. Things are not well my friends. Things are not well. The idea of Venables is pretty laughable. His first choice would never be to take over for a legend in MHK. Being a high paid assistant coach has to be a very nice gig. Why leave that for KSU?
This is bad reason to not consider a coach IMO. If a guy is only here 3-5 seasons but has great enough success to leave for a bigger program, I have no problem with that. It will only make K-State football better. Of course we all would like a 20+ year guy like Snyder, but I don't think that is realistic. If we get a guy that is successful and stays 10-15 years that would exceed my expectations at this point.
Post by: meow meow on November 16, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
I see, makes sense. Dana would definitely think he has a shot, even if it is a long shot from any objective analysis. I mean, wouldn't they hire Sean before Dana?
If we are going to go the non-Sean, continuity route, than I want to bring in an up and comer. The trouble of course is that if you land someone like Matt Campbell who turns out well, then he'll probably leave for a more prestigious job. Of course, this brings me back to Gary Patterson, (or some quality guy with a KSU connect) but he is in the midst of becoming a Snyder like figure in Fort Worth. Things are not well my friends. Things are not well. The idea of Venables is pretty laughable. His first choice would never be to take over for a legend in MHK. Being a high paid assistant coach has to be a very nice gig. Why leave that for KSU?
This is bad reason to not consider a coach IMO. If a guy is only here 3-5 seasons but has great enough success to leave for a bigger program, I have no problem with that. It will only make K-State football better. Of course we all would like a 20+ year guy like Snyder, but I don't think that is realistic. If we get a guy that is successful and stays 10-15 years that would exceed my expectations at this point.
People like this are why we're gonna get Sean
Post by: #LIFE on November 16, 2017, 09:05:11 AM
I see, makes sense. Dana would definitely think he has a shot, even if it is a long shot from any objective analysis. I mean, wouldn't they hire Sean before Dana?
If we are going to go the non-Sean, continuity route, than I want to bring in an up and comer. The trouble of course is that if you land someone like Matt Campbell who turns out well, then he'll probably leave for a more prestigious job. Of course, this brings me back to Gary Patterson, (or some quality guy with a KSU connect) but he is in the midst of becoming a Snyder like figure in Fort Worth. Things are not well my friends. Things are not well. The idea of Venables is pretty laughable. His first choice would never be to take over for a legend in MHK. Being a high paid assistant coach has to be a very nice gig. Why leave that for KSU?
This is bad reason to not consider a coach IMO. If a guy is only here 3-5 seasons but has great enough success to leave for a bigger program, I have no problem with that. It will only make K-State football better. Of course we all would like a 20+ year guy like Snyder, but I don't think that is realistic. If we get a guy that is successful and stays 10-15 years that would exceed my expectations at this point.
People like this are why we're gonna get Sean
And why we are stuck with #Bruce4eva. "oh no we might hire someone that is worse than the bottom half of the conference every year!". I have 0 faith in our athletic department to do anything right at this point, regardless of who is running it. K-State sports is a complete shitshow and we seem happy just to be in a P5 conference. AFAIC we can just drop athletics altogether here, we're never going to amount to crap in anything ever again anyways.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 16, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 09:12:42 AM
And why we are stuck with #Bruce4eva. "oh no we might hire someone that is worse than the bottom half of the conference every year!". I have 0 faith in our athletic department to do anything right at this point, regardless of who is running it. K-State sports is a complete shitshow and we seem happy just to be in a P5 conference. AFAIC we can just drop athletics altogether here, we're never going to amount to crap in anything ever again anyways.
I mean I get it, but this is a bit ridiculous. The oscar hire had much more to do with Currie being in charge than it did with the culture of K-State athletics IMO.
And we could have done much, much worse than oscar, see someone like Anderson at Missouri.
I mean, do you truly believe K-State will never be "good" in athletics again? Might as well just go be a Kentucky basketball and Alabama football fan.
Post by: DQ12 on November 16, 2017, 09:14:55 AM
Snyder has one of the best coaching trees in CFB history. It would be incredibly stupid to disregard that.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 09:23:09 AM
I think it's all but a certainty that whoever we go after is going to have K-State ties in some fashion, and frankly, I don't think I mind that. Sure, "what if he leaves in 3-5 years" shouldn't be the focal point of a coaching search, but it should at least be a consideration, all else being equal.
Snyder has one of the best coaching trees in CFB history. It would be incredibly stupid to disregard that.
That's fair.
I just don't want something Weiser level stupid because of a binder or Currie level stupid because its extremely safe.
Post by: DQ12 on November 16, 2017, 10:17:49 AM
For sure. If Taylor/Myers go outside of some of the more obvious names that come to mind, I'll be very surprised. I don't think they should, and they don't strike me as the types to do that. Especially given the Prince case study.I think it's all but a certainty that whoever we go after is going to have K-State ties in some fashion, and frankly, I don't think I mind that. Sure, "what if he leaves in 3-5 years" shouldn't be the focal point of a coaching search, but it should at least be a consideration, all else being equal.
Snyder has one of the best coaching trees in CFB history. It would be incredibly stupid to disregard that.
That's fair.
I just don't want something Weiser level stupid because of a binder or Currie level stupid because its extremely safe.
Post by: Katpappy on November 16, 2017, 10:27:03 AM
Double the money, my friend. Plus is an Alum and home town is around 50 miles away. Bingo!!!could be wrong but i think what he is saying is that dana is calling plays to help his position at another school after this year (which we all know isnt working very well for him)Sean doesn't like Dana. A+ source.
This is probably part of the problem. I sure in some ways he sees Dana as a threat as these guys position themselves for the future as much as he sees him as not good at his job.
Then we have this group of guys that are only here because they are loyal to Snyder and waiting for him to retire so they can as well.
When a season goes south with that mix its bound to turn into a mess.
Oh god, are you implying that our Admin might actually consider Dimel as the head guy? Tell me I'm wrong.
Yes, pretty much this.
Whether or not the admin would consider it or not, its not crazy that Dimel would think he has a chance at the job considering he's been a head coach before. He probably sees the only in-house competition as Sean and I'm sure Dana would believe that he is the better candidate.
I see, makes sense. Dana would definitely think he has a shot, even if it is a long shot from any objective analysis. I mean, wouldn't they hire Sean before Dana?
If we are going to go the non-Sean, continuity route, than I want to bring in an up and comer. The trouble of course is that if you land someone like Matt Campbell who turns out well, then he'll probably leave for a more prestigious job. Of course, this brings me back to Gary Patterson, (or some quality guy with a KSU connect) but he is in the midst of becoming a Snyder like figure in Fort Worth. Things are not well my friends. Things are not well. The idea of Venables is pretty laughable. His first choice would never be to take over for a legend in MHK. Being a high paid assistant coach has to be a very nice gig. Why leave that for KSU?
Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2017, 10:48:17 AM
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Post by: DQ12 on November 16, 2017, 10:58:50 AM
Post by: Joker on November 16, 2017, 10:59:02 AM
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Jim Leavitt had a verbal agreement last year to become Kansas State’s head coach-in-waiting and become its current coach in 2018, but KSU coach LHC Bill Snyder nixed it because he wanted his son Sean as his replacement.
Sources said Kansas State’s top officials, including president Richard Myers, and the school’s highest-profile boosters were all on board with Leavitt, then a Colorado assistant, joining KSU's staff and then replacing the legendary
Snyder after the 2017 season. Leavitt and the school had an agreement, guaranteeing Leavitt $3 million if he wasn’t named K-State’s coach by Jan. 1, 2018.
However, last December, Snyder pushed back on Leavitt, a former KSU assistant, being named his replacement because Snyder wanted his son Sean, currently KSU’s associate head coach and special teams coordinator, to replace him, sources said.
Snyder’s K-State contract stipulates when he’s done coaching at KSU he will be a “special assistant to the athletic director” and “shall also have appropriate input … regarding the selection of the next head football coach.”
After Snyder refused to give his approval of Leavitt as his replacement, Leavitt left Colorado to become defensive coordinator at Oregon. Leavitt’s contract at Oregon includes a clause
that he won’t have to pay UO a buyout “should he voluntarily terminate this agreement to become the head football coach at Kansas State University.”
In late 2016/early 2017, Kansas State officials were prepared to approach Snyder again about approving Leavitt as his replacement. However, Snyder, who turned 78 on Oct. 7, was diagnosed with throat cancer, so the school
opted to no longer pursue the plan for Leavitt to replace Snyder.
In 2015, Snyder told me he wanted his son Sean to follow in his footsteps.
“I have a strong belief, and my preference is Sean,” Snyder said. “He knows more about our football program than anyone. He runs our program. I have great confidence in him.
“It's easy to say, ‘He's your son,’ but I don't wish coaching on anyone,” he said, adding he would support his son “if that's what he wants to do.”
In his 26th season at KSU, Snyder is 207-110-1. A member of the College Football Hall of Fame, Snyder is responsible for the greatest turnaround of a program in college football history.
The desire to have Leavitt return to Kansas State as its coach-in-waiting wasn’t the first time the Wildcats reached out to Leavitt.
Late in the 2005 season, K-State contacted Leavitt, then USF’s head coach, about being Snyder’s replacement when Snyder first retired. USF had two games remaining and if the Bulls won out, they could have played in a BCS bowl. KSU wanted an immediate commitment from Leavitt, who told KSU he wouldn’t talk to them until after the season. KSU wouldn’t wait and hired Ron Prince instead.
Leavitt came to USF from K-State, where he was an assistant from 1990-95, the final four seasons as a co-defensive coordinator with Bob Stoops.
Leavitt was at USF from 1995 to 2009. He was a San Francisco 49ers assistant from 2011-14 and Colorado’s defensive coordinator in 2015 and 2016 before taking the Oregon DC job in December.
https://www.facebook.com/TheBrettMcMurphy/posts/1743061529051237 (https://www.facebook.com/TheBrettMcMurphy/posts/1743061529051237)
Post by: Woogy on November 16, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Post by: Winters on November 16, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 16, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 11:15:07 AM
I fvcking pissed. I mean, I feel like we knew this, but I'm pissed... and I should be, right?
I think we all knew this was probably going on, but chose not to "really" believe it.
Post by: Joker on November 16, 2017, 11:16:37 AM
Who's going to coach special teams now? :ohno:
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 16, 2017, 11:18:11 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 16, 2017, 11:22:35 AM
I hope Taylor knows how pissed people will be if we hire Sean.Sure, "we" will be pissed, but remember. KSU has a lot more dumbass fans than non dumbass fans. There is a large segment that want Sean to be the next coach. Those fans would rather be terrible at basketball than have a coach that cursed on the sidelines. My hope is that this is at least embarrassing enough for some of the more important dumbasses to not be such dumbasses.
Post by: chum1 on November 16, 2017, 11:22:51 AM
Post by: manpow5 on November 16, 2017, 11:36:23 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 16, 2017, 11:37:44 AM
I hope Taylor knows how pissed people will be if we hire Sean.Sure, "we" will be pissed, but remember. KSU has a lot more dumbass fans than non dumbass fans. There is a large segment that want Sean to be the next coach. Those fans would rather be terrible at basketball than have a coach that cursed on the sidelines. My hope is that this is at least embarrassing enough for some of the more important dumbasses to not be such dumbasses.
lolwut? I know hundreds of fans and only a few "wanted" Sean, and that was only after K-State finished strong last year and they thought he could keep the program where it was. Now, I don't think I know a single person that would say Sean is their #1 choice.
Post by: DQ12 on November 16, 2017, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 16, 2017, 12:32:24 PM
Post by: #LIFE on November 16, 2017, 12:34:13 PM
And why we are stuck with #Bruce4eva. "oh no we might hire someone that is worse than the bottom half of the conference every year!". I have 0 faith in our athletic department to do anything right at this point, regardless of who is running it. K-State sports is a complete shitshow and we seem happy just to be in a P5 conference. AFAIC we can just drop athletics altogether here, we're never going to amount to crap in anything ever again anyways.
I stand behind my earlier post
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 12:35:20 PM
Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
Yep.
Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2017, 12:41:33 PM
Well, people also do it because an awful lot of people care about football and think Snyder and his tree are the only ones who hold the "secret sauce" necessary to win at KSU.Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
Yep.
Post by: kslim on November 16, 2017, 12:41:58 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 16, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
You know to be honest, I don't give two shits about basketball. We were a shity BB school for way to long. Thank god football brought us out of the hellhole that the crappy birds to the east had us trapped in. Look at how shitty they have become. I don't want us to be in the same shithole as KU football. So plz. AD don't eff this up.Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
Yep.
P.S. The football fanatics are all calling for Dimel's head and a change in coaching.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 16, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
Well, people also do it because an awful lot of people care about football and think Snyder and his tree are the only ones who hold the "secret sauce" necessary to win at KSU.Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
Yep.
The problem with most kstate fans is the blind faith that they have in their leaders. We are not a group that likes to question.
Post by: pissclams on November 16, 2017, 01:01:00 PM
Well, people also do it because an awful lot of people care about football and think Snyder and his tree are the only ones who hold the "secret sauce" necessary to win at KSU.Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
Yep.
The problem with most kstate fans are is the blind faith that they have in their leaders. We are not a group that likes to question.
good conservative midwest values.
and a good portion of our fanbase are incredibly stupid and naive. need proof just go to a catbacker event. or wildcat pride or whatever that website is called.
when your entrance criteria is "graduate high school", you're not pumping out rhodes scholars
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 16, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
Some people on this board have a bad habit of assuming that other k-state fans are incredibly stupid or naive. They do this because of oscar, but forget that a good portion of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about basketball.
It's Wildcat Salute's fault, really.
Post by: chum1 on November 16, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
- Paraphrase from multitudes of fans online
- Also paraphrase from LHC Bill Snyder
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 01:20:02 PM
You think you know what program needs better than LHC Bill Snyder?
- Paraphrase from multitudes of fans online
- Also paraphrase from LHC Bill Snyder
:lol:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 16, 2017, 01:27:28 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 16, 2017, 01:35:24 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on November 16, 2017, 01:36:41 PM
I hope Taylor knows how pissed people will be if we hire Sean.Sure, "we" will be pissed, but remember. KSU has a lot more dumbass fans than non dumbass fans. There is a large segment that want Sean to be the next coach. Those fans would rather be terrible at basketball than have a coach that cursed on the sidelines. My hope is that this is at least embarrassing enough for some of the more important dumbasses to not be such dumbasses.
Part of me believes this to be true, but the fallout that I'm seeing on the internet and Facebook from this is not positive at all. At the moment, it doesn't look like their are a lot of people who want Sean to take over.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
https://twitter.com/kkwhb/status/931243560107696128
https://twitter.com/kkwhb/status/931244111436419073
Post by: manpow5 on November 16, 2017, 01:40:13 PM
https://twitter.com/kkwhb/status/931244111436419073
Danny Manning is the son Bill Self wish he had.
Post by: Woogy on November 16, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
https://twitter.com/kkwhb/status/931244111436419073
Wasn't "Tanner" Hayes already out the door, until he suddenly wasn't?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 01:41:36 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 16, 2017, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 01:59:48 PM
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A report earlier Thursday stated that Jim Leavitt had a verbal agreement last year to become Kansas State’s head coach-in-waiting and assume head coaching duties in 2018.
Leavitt, the current Oregon defensive coordinator and one-time Snyder assistant coach tells GoPowercat.com that “I have no desire nor I ever had had a desire to be a coach in waiting.”
Leavitt made a statement to GoPowercat.com hours after a Facebook post by former ESPN writer Brett McMurphy went live Thursday morning, with details creating a stir among a K-State fan base after a source told McMurphy that top school officials, including K-State President Richard Myers, along with top boosters were all for Leavitt joining the K-State coaching staff in 2017 with plans to slide into the head coach position after the season.
The plan, according to the report, was nixed by K-State head coach LHC Bill Snyder because he wanted his son Sean, the team’s associate head coach and special teams coordinator, to serve as his replacement.
“I have no desire nor I ever have had a desire to be coach in waiting,” Leavitt said in a message. “I always have been and always will be Coach Snyder’s number one fan. If Coach ever retires, which may not be for some time, I would want whatever is best for KSU and the people of Kansas. Hopefully sometime soon I will have the opportunity to be a head coach again. For now my only concern is to help build our defense at Oregon.”
The 78-year-old Snyder has made no public announcement about a possible retirement, although he has publicly endorsed Sean as a possible successor on a few occasions in recent years.
Leavitt served under Snyder between 1990 and 1995 and spent the final four seasons at K-State as co-defensive coordinator with Bob Stoops.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 02:04:22 PM
it's possible Brett McMurphy was CLOSE to knowing the full/correct story but i've heard something slightly different and way more dramatic.
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Post by: Woogy on November 16, 2017, 02:05:20 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 02:05:43 PM
1. snyder finding out he had cancer
2. telling his boss
3. k-state clause being included in leavitt's oregon contract
4. currie suddenly gone for tennessee
Post by: That_Guy on November 16, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
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Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2017, 02:31:49 PM
what i heard wasn't a HCIW situation, but was related to the timeline of
1. snyder finding out he had cancer
2. telling his boss
3. k-state clause being included in leavitt's oregon contract
4. currie suddenly gone for tennessee
that was actually way less dramatic but ok
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2017, 02:37:36 PM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
I thought the source was someone currently at K-State or a booster but this makes perfect sense.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
I thought the source was someone currently at K-State or a booster but this makes perfect sense.
Yes it does.
Post by: michigancat on November 16, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
I thought the source was someone currently at K-State or a booster but this makes perfect sense.
lol yeah
Post by: Testy Westy on November 16, 2017, 02:39:55 PM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
I would pay top dollar to hear the conversation between Gruden and Bill.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2017, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 16, 2017, 03:18:08 PM
BTW, if any coach is doing that, they are an unconfident loser. Any successful football coach in the P5 is far more powerful than any AD. Stoops and Castiglione got along well, but if they didn't Stoops could have gotten him fired and he's been the most powerful AD in America since Deloss retired.
Doesn't make it any easier to work with the AD. Additionally, the coach has to be a badass to have that power. Any rough patches and the AD has all the leverage in the relationship. I completely get a coach wanting to know what their boss is like.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 16, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
BTW, if any coach is doing that, they are an unconfident loser. Any successful football coach in the P5 is far more powerful than any AD. Stoops and Castiglione got along well, but if they didn't Stoops could have gotten him fired and he's been the most powerful AD in America since Deloss retired.
Doesn't make it any easier to work with the AD. Additionally, the coach has to be a badass to have that power. Any rough patches and the AD has all the leverage in the relationship. I completely get a coach wanting to know what their boss is like.
Plus, this is LHC Bill Snyder we're talking about. Say what you want about the current state of the program, he is still revered among almost any coach in college football. I'm sure a lot of guys would call and say "Coach Snyder, is this stuff I'm hearing about you and John Currie really true?" I don't think you'd have to be some unconfident loser to do that.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 16, 2017, 03:31:00 PM
what i heard wasn't a HCIW situation, but was related to the timeline of
1. snyder finding out he had cancer
2. telling his boss
3. k-state clause being included in leavitt's oregon contract
4. currie suddenly gone for tennessee
that was actually way less dramatic but ok
lol, yeah.
Post by: Steffy08 on November 16, 2017, 03:31:20 PM
I would like to think our current President and AD is way above trying to use the media to achieve results.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
what i heard wasn't a HCIW situation, but was related to the timeline of
1. snyder finding out he had cancer
2. telling his boss
3. k-state clause being included in leavitt's oregon contract
4. currie suddenly gone for tennessee
that was actually way less dramatic but ok
the drama being snyder demanded currie gtfo or he would sue currie/the university for a hipaa violation.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 16, 2017, 03:49:11 PM
what i heard wasn't a HCIW situation, but was related to the timeline of
1. snyder finding out he had cancer
2. telling his boss
3. k-state clause being included in leavitt's oregon contract
4. currie suddenly gone for tennessee
that was actually way less dramatic but ok
the drama being snyder demanded currie gtfo or he would sue currie/the university for a hipaa violation.
That would be rich coming from the guy who disclosed failed drug tests on an athlete that was trying to transfer from his program.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
BTW, if any coach is doing that, they are an unconfident loser. Any successful football coach in the P5 is far more powerful than any AD. Stoops and Castiglione got along well, but if they didn't Stoops could have gotten him fired and he's been the most powerful AD in America since Deloss retired.
Doesn't make it any easier to work with the AD. Additionally, the coach has to be a badass to have that power. Any rough patches and the AD has all the leverage in the relationship. I completely get a coach wanting to know what their boss is like.
Plus, this is LHC Bill Snyder we're talking about. Say what you want about the current state of the program, he is still revered among almost any coach in college football. I'm sure a lot of guys would call and say "Coach Snyder, is this stuff I'm hearing about you and John Currie really true?" I don't think you'd have to be some unconfident loser to do that.
Let's not act like Snyder has some spotless rep as someone easy to work with. I just don't get not taking the Tennessee job because LHC Bill Snyder and John Currie didn't get along.
Post by: BackPayne on November 16, 2017, 04:17:18 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 16, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
Seems like a reasonable question to me. No clue if this theory is true -- my gut says it's pretty unlikely -- but i wouldn't be shocked if coaches being courted by UT consulted with Snyder about Currie.
I would if I were them.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 16, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on November 16, 2017, 04:21:00 PM
BTW, if any coach is doing that, they are an unconfident loser. Any successful football coach in the P5 is far more powerful than any AD. Stoops and Castiglione got along well, but if they didn't Stoops could have gotten him fired and he's been the most powerful AD in America since Deloss retired.
Doesn't make it any easier to work with the AD. Additionally, the coach has to be a badass to have that power. Any rough patches and the AD has all the leverage in the relationship. I completely get a coach wanting to know what their boss is like.
Plus, this is LHC Bill Snyder we're talking about. Say what you want about the current state of the program, he is still revered among almost any coach in college football. I'm sure a lot of guys would call and say "Coach Snyder, is this stuff I'm hearing about you and John Currie really true?" I don't think you'd have to be some unconfident loser to do that.
Let's not act like Snyder has some spotless rep as someone easy to work with. I just don't get not taking the Tennessee job because LHC Bill Snyder and John Currie didn't get along.
If I recall, I don't think Frank Martin and John Currie got along either.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 04:21:36 PM
Yeah LOLs at the HIPAA rumor right after Snyder recently violated it
this was all before the sutton stuff happened
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2017, 04:25:19 PM
"Hey do you think my potential new boss is an bad person?"
Seems like a reasonable question to me. No clue if this theory is true -- my gut says it's pretty unlikely -- but i wouldn't be shocked if coaches being courted by UT consulted with Snyder about Currie.
I would if I were them.
Maybe I'm desensitized to this because I worked for an bad person that no one liked and ran through directors like nothing. He's an amoral liar, but that hasn't stopped me from whippin ass.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 16, 2017, 04:29:06 PM
"Hey do you think my potential new boss is an bad person?"
Seems like a reasonable question to me. No clue if this theory is true -- my gut says it's pretty unlikely -- but i wouldn't be shocked if coaches being courted by UT consulted with Snyder about Currie.
I would if I were them.
Maybe I'm desensitized to this because I worked for an bad person that no one liked and ran through directors like nothing. He's an amoral liar, but that hasn't stopped me from whippin ass.
Wouldn't you rather whip ass without dealing with an amoral liar?
Post by: Trim on November 16, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
For such a middling athletics department, we get into some crazy crap.
Post by: KITNfury on November 16, 2017, 04:56:40 PM
Just caught up on today. :lol:Yea I really enjoyed the last couple pages. I find it hilarious, if true, that ole Bill and John are still going at it.
For such a middling athletics department, we get into some crazy crap.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 05:19:23 PM
Post by: That_Guy on November 16, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 16, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 16, 2017, 05:35:18 PM
I've decided our athletic department is incompetant.
The national Rivals guy just said they were discussing how big time of a move this (releasing it) was by K-State, similar to what an Alabama or top SEC school would do.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 16, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
I've decided our athletic department is incompetant.
The national Rivals guy just said they were discussing how big time of a move this (releasing it) was by K-State, similar to what an Alabama or top SEC school would do.
that's our guy @Rob_Cassidy
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
"Hey do you think my potential new boss is an bad person?"
Seems like a reasonable question to me. No clue if this theory is true -- my gut says it's pretty unlikely -- but i wouldn't be shocked if coaches being courted by UT consulted with Snyder about Currie.
I would if I were them.
Maybe I'm desensitized to this because I worked for an bad person that no one liked and ran through directors like nothing. He's an amoral liar, but that hasn't stopped me from whippin ass.
Wouldn't you rather whip ass without dealing with an amoral liar?
Sure, but I have a great job that I can succeed in despite this dude's bullshit. There aren't too many $4 million college coaching jobs in the SEC where you're playing in front of 100,000 fans every game.
Post by: The Whale on November 16, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
Any way that can come out of the Snyder family paycheck?
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Post by: BackPayne on November 16, 2017, 10:08:26 PM
Post by: bones129 on November 16, 2017, 10:42:41 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Tate and Prince?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 17, 2017, 07:18:18 AM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
Post by: meow meow on November 17, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
Hard pass
Post by: Joker on November 17, 2017, 08:11:20 AM
So Leavitt's about 2 months away from getting $3m to NOT coach at K-State?
Any way that can come out of the Snyder family paycheck?
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Negative. McMurphy pointed out that the 3 mil would only apply if Leavitt had been hired as an assistant.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 17, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Post by: Joker on November 17, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
He should bring in Waters for OC. I hear he's turning heads at ISU.
Would be fun referring to our new offense as "the shred-fest".
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2017, 08:39:05 AM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Post by: kso_FAN on November 17, 2017, 08:40:03 AM
Klein - OC/RBs
Coleman - OC/WRs
Waters - QBs
Beasley - OL
Post by: MadCat on November 17, 2017, 08:40:47 AM
We could expect a long line of satandout QBs.He should bring in Waters for OC. I hear he's turning heads at ISU.
Would be fun referring to our new offense as "the shred-fest".
Post by: TownieCat on November 17, 2017, 08:45:17 AM
Beasley - OL
:D
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 17, 2017, 01:36:33 PM
the 1/1/18 deadline or leavitt gets $3m makes no sense to me. seems like such a stupid date to agree to since it's in the middle of bowl season. maybe it was actually just "before the 2018 season" but mcmurphy keeps saying 1/1/18 specifically.
been thinking more about this. the timeline that mcmurphy is reporting still just doesn't make sense to me. there was no real reason to be looking for a HCIW before snyder found out he had cancer. snyder wasn't retiring any time soon and was planning to return with a "loaded" team. you can argue that currie might have insisted on his own that we start planning to replace bill, but i don't buy that.
as much as currie and snyder disliked each other, i really don't think currie was planning on forcing snyder out any time soon pre-cancer. the cancer is what STARTED this whole thing, not ended it. it was basically an insurance policy in case snyder's cancer got worse and he wouldn't be able to coach in 2017. it was a complete unknown at the time how bad the cancer was.
here's what i think happened: snyder found out he had cancer, told currie, and currie used that information as motivation to reach out to leavitt to let him know and insist that he put the k-state clause in his contract. snyder found out about it, and got extremely pissed and threatened to sue currie and the university for a hipaa violation.
i believe leavitt when he says he wouldn't want to be HCIW, and i don't think that was ever a thing here. that's the only thing he really admitted to. and i'll say it again - the specific detail of the 1/1/18 deadline makes absolutely no sense, which makes me think mcmurphy is getting bad information. no athletic director would offer that in this situation, especially with a team that everyone thinks is going to be good. if you were to make a nyd bowl game, you're not going to make leavitt the head coach before the bowl game.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 17, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
the 1/1/18 deadline or leavitt gets $3m makes no sense to me. seems like such a stupid date to agree to since it's in the middle of bowl season. maybe it was actually just "before the 2018 season" but mcmurphy keeps saying 1/1/18 specifically.
been thinking more about this. the timeline that mcmurphy is reporting still just doesn't make sense to me. there was no real reason to be looking for a HCIW before snyder found out he had cancer. snyder wasn't retiring any time soon and was planning to return with a "loaded" team. you can argue that currie might have insisted on his own that we start planning to replace bill, but i don't buy that.
as much as currie and snyder disliked each other, i really don't think currie was planning on forcing snyder out any time soon pre-cancer. the cancer is what STARTED this whole thing, not ended it. it was basically an insurance policy in case snyder's cancer got worse and he wouldn't be able to coach in 2017. it was a complete unknown at the time how bad the cancer was.
here's what i think happened: snyder found out he had cancer, told currie, and currie used that information as motivation to reach out to leavitt to let him know and insist that he put the k-state clause in his contract. snyder found out about it, and got extremely pissed and threatened to sue currie and the university for a hipaa violation.
i believe leavitt when he says he wouldn't want to be HCIW, and i don't think that was ever a thing here. that's the only thing he really admitted to. and i'll say it again - the specific detail of the 1/1/18 deadline makes absolutely no sense, which makes me think mcmurphy is getting bad information. no athletic director would offer that in this situation, especially with a team that everyone thinks is going to be good. if you were to make a nyd bowl game, you're not going to make leavitt the head coach before the bowl game.
Jump in the contract thread where we discuss Snyder's Contract and how there is no financial commitment to Snyd's after January of 18? Coincidence?
Post by: 'taterblast on November 17, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Jump in the contract thread where we discuss Snyder's Contract and how there is no financial commitment to Snyd's after January of 18? Coincidence?
after 1/31/18. that doesn't change anything, you'd still have to pay leavitt $3m on 1/1/18 if he wasn't named head coach by then. if mcmurphy just has the wrong date that changes things, but again, he keeps specifying that particular date.
Post by: 3gQ@T on November 17, 2017, 02:03:32 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 17, 2017, 02:06:44 PM
Jump in the contract thread where we discuss Snyder's Contract and how there is no financial commitment to Snyd's after January of 18? Coincidence?
after 1/31/18. that doesn't change anything, you'd still have to pay leavitt $3m on 1/1/18 if he wasn't named head coach by then. if mcmurphy just has the wrong date that changes things, but again, he keeps specifying that particular date.
You're right.
Not sure, but my only guess is that was part of the "hand shake deal" to get everyone to commit. And once it would be in a written contract with everyone signing off on having Leavitt as HCIW/Bill step down following the season, it would basically become a buyout or some crap if things change? Forcing everyone to fully commit to the succession plan or don't agree to it? I really don't know.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 17, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on November 17, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
Post by: BackPayne on November 17, 2017, 02:47:31 PM
It now seems more likely that Bill pulls a Bob Stoops. Next August (or some future August), cancer will be back or something else will "pop up" and we will be stuck with Sean as our head coach.
Or would Dimel get the nod as HC?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2017, 03:27:09 PM
It now seems more likely that Bill pulls a Bob Stoops. Next August (or some future August), cancer will be back or something else will "pop up" and we will be stuck with Sean as our head coach.
Or would Dimel get the nod as HC?
I don't think Dimel and Sean can coexist here if Bill stays
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 17, 2017, 03:32:13 PM
From the contract posted on CJ, KSA can terminate Bill as coach, without penalty, anytime after 1/14/2018, at which time he then becomes the $250,000 a year man in the Athletic Department.
(https://imgur.com/7xWu9ii)
Post by: WildcatPower on November 18, 2017, 12:03:15 AM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 01:14:58 AM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Post by: pvegs on November 18, 2017, 02:40:03 AM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on November 18, 2017, 01:52:22 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Mainly joking, yes.
But this is has always been my contention with Sean, ie. what kind of coordinator is going to come work for him knowing his career? Granted, K-State can likely attract better than those 2 because we are a legit P5 conference school, but I don't see the ceiling for who is going to come work for Sean being very high. And the issue is that Sean will need high quality coordinators because from everything I've ever heard, his overall football knowledge simply is not that high.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 03:25:51 PM
Would it make a difference if Sean had had the same incredible success as an offensive or defensive coordinator that he's had as a special teams coordinator? There is no way you can make an argument for BV and in the same breath say Sean needs to get a job as a HC somewhere to prove himself. I'm not advocating for Sean, i'm just playing devils advocate. His success as a ST coordinator is incredibly impressive.
Thank you!
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 03:29:49 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Mainly joking, yes.
But this is has always been my contention with Sean, ie. what kind of coordinator is going to come work for him knowing his career? Granted, K-State can likely attract better than those 2 because we are a legit P5 conference school, but I don't see the ceiling for who is going to come work for Sean being very high. And the issue is that Sean will need high quality coordinators because from everything I've ever heard, his overall football knowledge simply is not that high.
He's going to face the same challenge that any non head coach will face. It's not like Venables is going to be able to raid the Clemson staff or the Muppet raiding Oregon's staff. Any of these dudes are going to have to find a strong group of group of 5 coordinators or P5 position coaches willing to take a leap of faith.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 18, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 03:50:58 PM
I also have no idea if Sean Snyder would be a good coach.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
gtfo with a serious comparison between Venables resume and Sean Snyder’s - not being a HC is the only similarity between the two
Who are you talking to?
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on November 18, 2017, 04:07:47 PM
I have no idea of Venebles would be a good coach, but I (and all of football) know he is a great recruiter.
I also have no idea if Sean Snyder would be a good coach.
I kinda screwed up the question by adding a variable. My real question is what if Sean Snyder was an OC (or DC) with the same type of success he has had as a ST coordinator. Wouldn't he be one of the hottest coaching commodities, ala a Lincoln Riley or take your pick of any recent OC or DC that has moved into a high profile head coaching position??
Post by: Skipper44 on November 18, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 04:18:50 PM
Post by: sys on November 18, 2017, 04:28:55 PM
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 04:43:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 04:48:50 PM
You think KU would let Sean coach from Manhattan, and just commute?
They let Charlie commute from Florida
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 04:50:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 18, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
Post by: Joker on November 18, 2017, 06:45:17 PM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932044509482975232
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
i love LHC Bill Snyder
Me too. I'm happy for him tonight.
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2017, 07:34:56 PM
Post by: The Big Train on November 18, 2017, 07:35:57 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on November 18, 2017, 10:07:38 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Mainly joking, yes.
But this is has always been my contention with Sean, ie. what kind of coordinator is going to come work for him knowing his career? Granted, K-State can likely attract better than those 2 because we are a legit P5 conference school, but I don't see the ceiling for who is going to come work for Sean being very high. And the issue is that Sean will need high quality coordinators because from everything I've ever heard, his overall football knowledge simply is not that high.
I wasn't sure if it was joking or not, so I just wanted to find out some clarity. I can understand the inexperienced argument, but I would also present the same rebuttal when Venables, Stoops, and Leavitt were also inexperienced and started as a GA.
Leavitt started as a GA in Iowa (prior to that, he was a GA in Missouri) before coming to K-State as a LB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position, which he shared with Bob Stoops.
Stoops started as a GA in Iowa as well before coming to K-State as a DB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position as well.
Venables also started as a GA in K-State and moved up to the LB coach for two years before joining Stoops in Oklahoma as a Co-DC.
So what's the difference between those three and compare to Klein and Seiler (in terms of experience-wise at their respective ages/time)?
Klein was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons before going to NI for one season as a QB coach then back to K-State for the same position.
Seiler was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons as well before being a End coach and then the LB coach this year.
It wouldn't surprise me if those two happen to be future OC/DC at some point in their careers. I'd like them to at least have that opportunity here in Kansas State, rather than retain Dimel and Hayes.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 10:12:45 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Mainly joking, yes.
But this is has always been my contention with Sean, ie. what kind of coordinator is going to come work for him knowing his career? Granted, K-State can likely attract better than those 2 because we are a legit P5 conference school, but I don't see the ceiling for who is going to come work for Sean being very high. And the issue is that Sean will need high quality coordinators because from everything I've ever heard, his overall football knowledge simply is not that high.
I wasn't sure if it was joking or not, so I just wanted to find out some clarity. I can understand the inexperienced argument, but I would also present the same rebuttal when Venables, Stoops, and Leavitt were also inexperienced and started as a GA.
Leavitt started as a GA in Iowa (prior to that, he was a GA in Missouri) before coming to K-State as a LB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position, which he shared with Bob Stoops.
Stoops started as a GA in Iowa as well before coming to K-State as a DB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position as well.
Venables also started as a GA in K-State and moved up to the LB coach for two years before joining Stoops in Oklahoma as a Co-DC.
So what's the difference between those three and compare to Klein and Seiler (in terms of experience-wise at their respective ages/time)?
Klein was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons before going to NI for one season as a QB coach then back to K-State for the same position.
Seiler was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons as well before being a End coach and then the LB coach this year.
It wouldn't surprise me if those two happen to be future OC/DC at some point in their careers. I'd like them to at least have that opportunity here in Kansas State, rather than retain Dimel and Hayes.
I'm not saying never, I'm saying not yet. If I were to guess I'd put money on Andre Coleman being the next OC. He's usually the first one who talks to the QBs, remember CK stays in the box. I notice Andre also sticks his head in the running back huddles at times as well.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 18, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Ok, let's assume Sean gets the job. :dubious: Who does he bring in as DC and OC?
Klein and Seiler.
I don't think so
Why? Because of the continuation of the Snyder tree? Inexperience?
Completely inexperienced, I'd question those two as coordinators at a FCS school, at this point in their careers.
_FAN was also joking, btw.
Mainly joking, yes.
But this is has always been my contention with Sean, ie. what kind of coordinator is going to come work for him knowing his career? Granted, K-State can likely attract better than those 2 because we are a legit P5 conference school, but I don't see the ceiling for who is going to come work for Sean being very high. And the issue is that Sean will need high quality coordinators because from everything I've ever heard, his overall football knowledge simply is not that high.
I wasn't sure if it was joking or not, so I just wanted to find out some clarity. I can understand the inexperienced argument, but I would also present the same rebuttal when Venables, Stoops, and Leavitt were also inexperienced and started as a GA.
Leavitt started as a GA in Iowa (prior to that, he was a GA in Missouri) before coming to K-State as a LB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position, which he shared with Bob Stoops.
Stoops started as a GA in Iowa as well before coming to K-State as a DB coach for two years before moving up to the Co-DC position as well.
Venables also started as a GA in K-State and moved up to the LB coach for two years before joining Stoops in Oklahoma as a Co-DC.
So what's the difference between those three and compare to Klein and Seiler (in terms of experience-wise at their respective ages/time)?
Klein was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons before going to NI for one season as a QB coach then back to K-State for the same position.
Seiler was a GA/Defensive Quality Coach for two seasons as well before being a End coach and then the LB coach this year.
It wouldn't surprise me if those two happen to be future OC/DC at some point in their careers. I'd like them to at least have that opportunity here in Kansas State, rather than retain Dimel and Hayes.
I'm not saying never, I'm saying not yet. If I were to guess I'd put money on Andre Coleman being the next OC. He's usually the first one who talks to the QBs, remember CK stays in the box. I notice Andre also sticks his head in the running back huddles at times as well.
Oh, good point, I almost forgot about Coleman as another option. I'm good with Coleman as well. Really, I think at this point, I'll be glad it'll be anyone but Dimel.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
Mainly Whisker Biscuit but comparing a Sean's ability to assemble a staff with someone that has worked at two big time programs is a joke
He really wasn't comparing them, I think his larger point is SEA Sean has been wildly successful and you guys treat him like he's a GA handling special teams at a Missouri Valley school.
Also I want to take a dive into this Venables thing and his ability to attract top assistants because of his last two jobs.
Who exactly do you guys think he's getting? The next best defensive coach at Clemson is getting his job. The Clemson OC isn't coming here. Whoever Mike Stoops' #2 is at OU is likely someone not closely tied to Brent. None of the so called top assistants aren't leaving OU or Clemson. Like I said already, Sean, Brent, and to a lesser extent the muppet are going to have to build their staffs in a similar way. Leavitt may have a leg up if Taggart leaves.
If Brent is such a sure shot to get heralded coordinators, we should be able to identify some of these people, but we can't because they don't exist.
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 10:44:45 PM
Honestly Brent has been in the business longer (and I mean really in the business) and worked on more places and that alone makes me think he could assemble a better staff than Sean. I don't need to have a staff lined in my head for that to be valid.Mainly Whisker Biscuit but comparing a Sean's ability to assemble a staff with someone that has worked at two big time programs is a joke
He really wasn't comparing them, I think his larger point is SEA Sean has been wildly successful and you guys treat him like he's a GA handling special teams at a Missouri Valley school.
Also I want to take a dive into this Venables thing and his ability to attract top assistants because of his last two jobs.
Who exactly do you guys think he's getting? The next best defensive coach at Clemson is getting his job. The Clemson OC isn't coming here. Whoever Mike Stoops' #2 is at OU is likely someone not closely tied to Brent. None of the so called top assistants aren't leaving OU or Clemson. Like I said already, Sean, Brent, and to a lesser extent the muppet are going to have to build their staffs in a similar way. Leavitt may have a leg up if Taggart leaves.
If Brent is such a sure shot to get heralded coordinators, we should be able to identify some of these people, but we can't because they don't exist.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Honestly Brent has been in the business longer (and I mean really in the business) and worked on more places and that alone makes me think he could assemble a better staff than Sean. I don't need to have a staff lined in my head for that to be valid.Mainly Whisker Biscuit but comparing a Sean's ability to assemble a staff with someone that has worked at two big time programs is a joke
He really wasn't comparing them, I think his larger point is SEA Sean has been wildly successful and you guys treat him like he's a GA handling special teams at a Missouri Valley school.
Also I want to take a dive into this Venables thing and his ability to attract top assistants because of his last two jobs.
Who exactly do you guys think he's getting? The next best defensive coach at Clemson is getting his job. The Clemson OC isn't coming here. Whoever Mike Stoops' #2 is at OU is likely someone not closely tied to Brent. None of the so called top assistants aren't leaving OU or Clemson. Like I said already, Sean, Brent, and to a lesser extent the muppet are going to have to build their staffs in a similar way. Leavitt may have a leg up if Taggart leaves.
If Brent is such a sure shot to get heralded coordinators, we should be able to identify some of these people, but we can't because they don't exist.
You just repeated _FAN's and Skipper's argument. That particular argument can be made to reason Dana Dimel over Brent, is that what you guys want?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 11:05:16 PM
I have no idea of Venebles would be a good coach, but I (and all of football) know he is a great recruiter.
I also have no idea if Sean Snyder would be a good coach.
The recruiter argument is THE tangible differentiator between the two. It's worth noting that the head coach won't be needed as the ace recruiter, he's only the closer, but it's safe to assume that Brent knows how to put together a team of recruiters. It seems unfair to put Bill's wack recruiting philosophy on Sean but unfortunately it's all he's known and it isn't rational to think he's going to turn into some 5 star magnet without the anchor of Bill's recruiting philosophy.
My belief is that if Brent asked Sean to be the director of football operations, Sean would do it. My belief is that Brent would not come work for Sean.
To be fair, Brent isn't working for anyone other head coach in America. Not for Urb because of geography and not for Saban because he burns through assistants and they hate him.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 18, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932044509482975232
Yeah, Snyder has to either be senile or lying. Snyder has been on TV with Brett McMurphy.
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
Honestly Brent has been in the business longer (and I mean really in the business) and worked on more places and that alone makes me think he could assemble a better staff than Sean. I don't need to have a staff lined in my head for that to be valid.Mainly Whisker Biscuit but comparing a Sean's ability to assemble a staff with someone that has worked at two big time programs is a joke
He really wasn't comparing them, I think his larger point is SEA Sean has been wildly successful and you guys treat him like he's a GA handling special teams at a Missouri Valley school.
Also I want to take a dive into this Venables thing and his ability to attract top assistants because of his last two jobs.
Who exactly do you guys think he's getting? The next best defensive coach at Clemson is getting his job. The Clemson OC isn't coming here. Whoever Mike Stoops' #2 is at OU is likely someone not closely tied to Brent. None of the so called top assistants aren't leaving OU or Clemson. Like I said already, Sean, Brent, and to a lesser extent the muppet are going to have to build their staffs in a similar way. Leavitt may have a leg up if Taggart leaves.
If Brent is such a sure shot to get heralded coordinators, we should be able to identify some of these people, but we can't because they don't exist.
You just repeated _FAN's and Skipper's argument. That particular argument can be made to reason Dana Dimel over Brent, is that what you guys want?
Well I could also mention Brent's rep as an excellent recruiter and national championships at two spots as additional factors but I think you'll continue to make whatever inane argument you've set your sights on regardless.
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
I have no idea of Venebles would be a good coach, but I (and all of football) know he is a great recruiter.
I also have no idea if Sean Snyder would be a good coach.
The recruiter argument is THE tangible differentiator between the two. It's worth noting that the head coach won't be needed as the ace recruiter, he's only the closer, but it's safe to assume that Brent knows how to put together a team of recruiters. It seems unfair to put Bill's wack recruiting philosophy on Sean but unfortunately it's all he's known and it isn't rational to think he's going to turn into some 5 star magnet without the anchor of Bill's recruiting philosophy.
You acknowledged it!
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 11:31:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 11:33:18 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 11:50:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2017, 12:11:47 AM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932044509482975232
Yeah, Snyder has to either be senile or lying. Snyder has been on TV with Brett McMurphy.
You should be a detective
Post by: michigancat on November 19, 2017, 01:15:54 AM
I think Snyder is both!
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932044509482975232
Yeah, Snyder has to either be senile or lying. Snyder has been on TV with Brett McMurphy.
You should be a detective
Post by: scottwildcat on November 19, 2017, 06:43:55 AM
McMurphy was the first guy who Bill was on the record with in saying he wanted Sean as the next HC.:lol:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932044509482975232
Yeah, Snyder has to either be senile or lying. Snyder has been on TV with Brett McMurphy.
Post by: catastrophe on November 19, 2017, 08:16:31 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 19, 2017, 10:47:27 AM
Man, some people just don’t understand how dissing works.Who are you? Do you even post here?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 19, 2017, 09:51:26 PM
Post by: daBish7 on November 19, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
If goEMAW really wanted to they could figure out who Brent Venables would bring in on staff, with the resources some people on this website have. Brent Venables would have to look toward some good buddies he has had at Clemson or who are up and coming. If Venables wants to have immediate success for his alma mater he would have to bring in a kickass staff. Sean can stay if he likes, but only as a Special teams coach, it's his calling and frankly at this point Bill is off his rocker and I think Gene 'The Mustang' Taylor should be trusted with making a great hire because I believe he has a good idea of who to hire. I do think that ADGT is gonna ride Snyder Senior out as long as he can so that way he can avoid the hiring process
goEMAW sucks Greg
Post by: Trim on November 19, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
If goEMAW really wanted to they could figure out who Brent Venables would bring in on staff, with the resources some people on this website have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=293EJU0TR2Y
Post by: manpow5 on November 19, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
Levitt let them have a Turnover chain... Bill would never let us do this...
Post by: Trim on November 19, 2017, 11:46:04 PM
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648400083914754
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648971234836480
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Leavitt would've made sense as DC, but Snyder wasn't going to fire Hayes.
Post by: manpow5 on November 20, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Oh?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648400083914754
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648971234836480
I'm so confused now..... LHC LHC Bill Snyder is messing with all of us. He probably dropped the Leavitt story. Bill wanted Leavitt to be the DC and help his son become the next HC and kinda mentor his son in his Defensive ways... Leavitt wanted the HCIW, but Snyder refused essentially leaving Leavitt to be a DC for Sean for the remainder of his career or go to Oregon and try one last resume builder.
It coukd have happened.
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 11:02:05 AM
Makes sense. After he fired one of the only guys he's ever fired he needed a linebacker coach.
Leavitt would've made sense as DC, but Snyder wasn't going to fire Hayes.
It does, but it doesn't. Unless there was some sort of incentive attached (HCIW), why in the world would Leavitt give up a P5 DC gig and take a pay cut to coach linebackers for Bill?
I suppose it could have just been wishful thinking on Bill's part.
Post by: manpow5 on November 20, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
Makes sense. After he fired one of the only guys he's ever fired he needed a linebacker coach.
Leavitt would've made sense as DC, but Snyder wasn't going to fire Hayes.
It does, but it doesn't. Unless there was some sort of incentive attached (HCIW), why in the world would Leavitt give up a P5 DC gig and take a pay cut to coach linebackers for Bill?
I suppose it could have just been wishful thinking on Bill's part.
Maybe Tom wants to retire but Bill wouldn't let him unless he got the replacement he wanted?
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
https://twitter.com/davidubben/status/932648244903063554
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2017, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 11:19:25 AM
Makes sense. After he fired one of the only guys he's ever fired he needed a linebacker coach.
Leavitt would've made sense as DC, but Snyder wasn't going to fire Hayes.
It does, but it doesn't. Unless there was some sort of incentive attached (HCIW), why in the world would Leavitt give up a P5 DC gig and take a pay cut to coach linebackers for Bill?
I suppose it could have just been wishful thinking on Bill's part.
I took it as Snyder showing respect for Leavitt. He knew he'd turn it down, but if there was anyone he would want on staff to coach LBs it would be Leavitt.
Post by: manpow5 on November 20, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
How can you make someone not retire?
It's LHC Bill Snyder... idk, wizard powers?
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 20, 2017, 12:03:20 PM
How can you make someone not retire?
Im not certain how him staying another 2-3 years is the best course for KSU Football.
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2017, 12:07:02 PM
Post by: kslim on November 20, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Did anyone else see bill and Sean get into it when they called timeout before the onside? Pretty sure I read Sean’s lips say I rough ridin' got it when bill came into the huddle and bill walked away talking to himself
well sean you absolutely didn't have it if you were thrown off guard by an onside there
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
bill can stay as long as he wants. and he should. people act like he's ruining the program but we still have good athletes in place at most positions for the next coach and that hasn't really changed much in 2.0.Bill can and will stay as long as he wants. But I hope he wants to leave in about 5 weeks.
The program is stale and boring. I'd like the next coach to have 3 years with Thompson.
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2017, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: wazucat on November 20, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
We've made some dumb decisions and have been badly outcoached in several games, but I don't think the program is "boring" at all.
:) LOL
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 12:54:28 PM
bill can stay as long as he wants. and he should. people act like he's ruining the program but we still have good athletes in place at most positions for the next coach and that hasn't really changed much in 2.0.
I agree with this.
We've made some dumb decisions and have been badly outcoached in several games, but I don't think the program is "boring" at all.
Yeah, I don't even know what this means. (people saying the program is boring) Its not much different than 11/12, it just wasn't boring then because we won a lot. I suppose people want HUNH and stuff like that.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
Did anyone else see bill and Sean get into it when they called timeout before the onside? Pretty sure I read Sean’s lips say I rough ridin' got it when bill came into the huddle and bill walked away talking to himself
well sean you absolutely didn't have it if you were thrown off guard by an onside there
We were set up for an onsides kick. We were set up for a squib style onsides, Sean saw they were set up for a traditional onside kick and called a time out. Sean adjusted but they kicked the squib style we were defending against before the time out.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
Oh?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648400083914754
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/932648971234836480
I'm so confused now..... LHC LHC Bill Snyder is messing with all of us. He probably dropped the Leavitt story. Bill wanted Leavitt to be the DC and help his son become the next HC and kinda mentor his son in his Defensive ways... Leavitt wanted the HCIW, but Snyder refused essentially leaving Leavitt to be a DC for Sean for the remainder of his career or go to Oregon and try one last resume builder.
It coukd have happened.
This sounds crazy but I've been thinking about this situation and I think this may actually be possible. The only reason being is Bill's response to the story when asked and then McMurphy's silence after. First, of all everyone knows that Snyder knows who McMurphy is, this whole Sean thing started with a conversation that he had with Bill. Then anyone who reads or listens to McMurphy knows that he's super serious about being minimized and questioned. The only other thing he takes more seriously is protecting his sources. If Bill talked to McMurphy about this then called him out, McMurphy couldn't clap back, and he always claps back. I find it completely odd that he's had nothing to say about being slighted so publicly by Snyder.
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
I find it completely odd that he's had nothing to say about being slighted so publicly by Snyder.
I had the same thought. He's made reference to his initial interview with Bill several times since this story broke.
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
I assume it's not typical to offer one of the highest paid P5 coordinators a lower tier job for (what I can only imagine to be) less money, so I assume something else was going on here. Something tells me Venables didn't get the same call...
Significantly less money compared to what Cox was making.
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Oregon pays Leavitt a salary of $1.15 million, more than double what K-State paid Cox.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article185615598.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article185615598.html)
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
Yeah, I don't even know what this means. (people saying the program is boring) Its not much different than 11/12, it just wasn't boring then because we won a lot. I suppose people want HUNH and stuff like that.I do not care about HUNH, but I will concede that winning more would make the program less boring to me. What I mean by boring is that I feel like I've been watching the same season for the last three years:
Mediocre defense. Quarterback injuries. Frustrating play calling. Irrelevant in the conference championship picture.
Obviously there have been a few outlier games (Texas bowl, OSU game come to mind), but on the macro level, it's the same old crap. Maybe it's due to my preseason expectations, but by week 5 this year, I was largely uninterested in our season. I'm not advocating that we fire Bill, I'm just pointing out that while we've been "fine" to "pretty good" during the last 5 years, we've finished no better than third in the conference. I can stomach 6 win seasons like 2015 if this year went like it was supposed to. Instead, we're decidedly average, again.
Maybe I'm just becoming less interested in CFB?
Post by: kslim on November 20, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
This is exactly how I feel, it’s very predictable to the point of hard to watch sometimes. Cfb is great no matter how good we are. As the saying goes water will find its level. And waiting for the inevitable makes it toughYeah, I don't even know what this means. (people saying the program is boring) Its not much different than 11/12, it just wasn't boring then because we won a lot. I suppose people want HUNH and stuff like that.I do not care about HUNH, but I will concede that winning more would make the program less boring to me. What I mean by boring is that I feel like I've been watching the same season for the last three years:
Mediocre defense. Quarterback injuries. Frustrating play calling. Irrelevant in the conference championship picture.
Obviously there have been a few outlier games (Texas bowl, OSU game come to mind), but on the macro level, it's the same old crap. Maybe it's due to my preseason expectations, but by week 5 this year, I was largely uninterested in our season. I'm not advocating that we fire Bill, I'm just pointing out that while we've been "fine" to "pretty good" during the last 5 years, we've finished no better than third. I can stomach 6 win seasons like 2015 if this year went like it was supposed to.
Maybe I'm just becoming less interested in CFB?
Post by: pissclams on November 20, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
Post by: everyone shut up on November 20, 2017, 06:01:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
If you found the vandy, tcu, and ku games anything other than boring, then we were watching different games.
to be fair, I didn't watch the Vandy and KU games.
is the football program all that different than the basketball program? no, it’s not.
pretty accurate, Bill just has way more built up goodwill
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2017, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 20, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2017, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on November 20, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
beating osu and losing to vandy was super predictable, i agreeAre you being sarcastic, because Snyder 2.0 never beats ranked teams unless he has a Heisman finalist as his QB, has never won in Stillwater, that win was the biggest point spread upset under Bill and in he has traditionally beaten crap teams which Vanderbilt is. So if by super predictable you mean not predictable in any way at all then you’re correct
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2017, 08:21:37 PM
Post by: muqluk on November 20, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
... and not for Saban because he burns through assistants and they hate him.
Sounds quite a bit like another HC Ive heard of on occasion.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 20, 2017, 10:15:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
I can agree with anyone that says up until the OSU game, this season has been boring.
yeah that tech game was a real snoozefest
:lol:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 21, 2017, 06:09:54 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2017, 06:40:56 AM
Post by: meow meow on November 21, 2017, 08:34:10 AM
Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 21, 2017, 10:37:33 AM
Post by: #LIFE on November 21, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 21, 2017, 12:20:47 PM
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching)
Lol, I miss ADJC and Veatch.
The Mustang is boring AF.
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2017, 12:28:53 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 21, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching)
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“It would be big $ and a hassle to fly from NYC to Little Rock and back to NYC, but it certainly would make for excellent message board fodder and succession theatre,” Currie said in an email to Veatch.
:love:
Post by: Joker on November 21, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcjonline.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fslideshow__640x360%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4287766_web1_spt_112117_kstateEmails.jpg%3Fitok%3DZwIPSJwy&hash=052282076b21bdedccf2013bcdf301c084d27bc2)
Post by: Gooch on November 21, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Confirmed. Currie read (and loved) gE.com.http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-11-21/k-state-officials-exchanged-emails-story-jim-leavitt-s-coaching)Quote“It would be big $ and a hassle to fly from NYC to Little Rock and back to NYC, but it certainly would make for excellent message board fodder and succession theatre,” Currie said in an email to Veatch.
:love:
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on November 21, 2017, 01:31:02 PM
Trolled the (captain) crap out of us:ROFL:
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2017, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: Trim on November 21, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
That was really poorly written. Would have been much easier to just read the emails.
Yep. Almost every article I read about stuff gotten through records requests is like that.
Post by: Trim on November 21, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2017, 02:42:52 PM
i never said the games were boring, i said our program is boring, you pinheads.
pretty vague/meaningless IMO
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 21, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2017, 09:42:59 AM
We've had mediocre results since 2012. This year was supposed to be a breakout year. But instead we got mediocre results.i never said the games were boring, i said our program is boring, you pinheads.
pretty vague/meaningless IMO
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 22, 2017, 09:48:16 AM
We've had mediocre results since 2012. This year was supposed to be a breakout year. But instead we got mediocre results.i never said the games were boring, i said our program is boring, you pinheads.
pretty vague/meaningless IMO
Before Saturday, we had won 2 of our last 20 games against ranked teams. 2! and one of those was a #25 ranked Tech team that probably ended up not making a bowl game.
So yeah, I'll side with Dlew on this one. Win most of the games you're supposed, lose basically every game you're supposed to.
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2017, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: Pete on November 22, 2017, 10:13:34 AM
Post by: Pete on November 22, 2017, 10:15:44 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 12:57:19 PM
We've had mediocre results since 2012. This year was supposed to be a breakout year. But instead we got mediocre results.i never said the games were boring, i said our program is boring, you pinheads.
pretty vague/meaningless IMO
so you just want to win more. That's fair.
In all seriousness, this season hasn't been terribly different than 2011. That team was just luckier.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2017, 01:06:08 PM
Also the use of the word "succession" was never part of the vernacular until a buzzed up Pete and myself cornered Currie at the old 810 Zone on the plaza and demanded he tell us what his succession plan was. It was amazing and is even more amazing now considering everything that has happened.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 22, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
In all seriousness, this season hasn't been terribly different than 2011. That team was just luckier.
Pretty much.
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Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 22, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
Pretty interesting. It also feels like to me the teams in the big Xii were overall better this year.not the defenses
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 02:00:09 PM
http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/KansasState.htm
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2017, 02:09:53 PM
I'm not saying this season or our program couldn't be worse. It could. I'm saying that we've been watching the same 6-9 win seasons for the last 5 years. Shitty defense for the most part. QB injuries. Take care of business against the bad teams. Lose to the good teams. Be irrelevant in the conference title picture.
I fully admit that if we were a 10 win team this year (like I expected) i'd be whistling a different tune. But i feel like it's fair to say that Snyder and the gang have plateaued.
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 02:17:59 PM
I'm not sure what your point is. I remember 2011. It was a lucky season, but it was a 10 win season nonetheless.
I'm not saying this season or our program couldn't be worse. It could. I'm saying that we've been watching the same 6-9 win seasons for the last 5 years. Shitty defense for the most part. QB injuries. Take care of business against the bad teams. Lose to the good teams. Be irrelevant in the conference title picture.
I fully admit that if we were a 10 win team this year (like I expected) i'd be whistling a different tune. But i feel like it's fair to say that Snyder and the gang have plateaued.
My general point is we could easily have another 2011 or 2012 type season over the next couple of seasons. Everything you're saying is pretty accurate, I just think the line between 7 wins and 10 wins this season is much more fine than you do.
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 02:20:02 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
We haven't been ranked any later than the month of October since 2014. I give quite a bit of leeway season to season, but when it's been that long since we've been relevant, dlew gets restless and grumpy. Especially when this was supposed to be our season.I'm not sure what your point is. I remember 2011. It was a lucky season, but it was a 10 win season nonetheless.
I'm not saying this season or our program couldn't be worse. It could. I'm saying that we've been watching the same 6-9 win seasons for the last 5 years. Shitty defense for the most part. QB injuries. Take care of business against the bad teams. Lose to the good teams. Be irrelevant in the conference title picture.
I fully admit that if we were a 10 win team this year (like I expected) i'd be whistling a different tune. But i feel like it's fair to say that Snyder and the gang have plateaued.
My general point is we could easily have another 2011 or 2012 type season over the next couple of seasons. Everything you're saying is pretty accurate, I just think the line between 7 wins and 10 wins this season is much more fine than you do.
Also, my other point is that Snyder can consistently maintain a program that always finishes in the top half of the conference and had earned enough goodwill to lead that type of program as long as he wants. I get what you mean by that being "boring" now but I just disagree.I'm not saying we should fire snyder. I'm saying I'd like it if Snyder decided to retire this year.
Post by: 'taterblast on November 22, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 22, 2017, 02:38:52 PM
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2017, 02:52:15 PM
Post by: #LIFE on November 22, 2017, 03:00:30 PM
it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s point
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
Maybe the football cats need to become the most hated team in the country too
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 03:28:04 PM
it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s pointI get it now. And I agree oscar and Snyder are pretty similar in that respect but I think Snyder's baseline is a bit higher.
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2017, 03:41:37 PM
it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s pointI get it now. And I agree oscar and Snyder are pretty similar in that respect but I think Snyder's baseline is a bit higher.
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
What big 12 bowl is the play-in or less equivalent?
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2017, 03:58:05 PM
The worst one? :dunno:it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s pointI get it now. And I agree oscar and Snyder are pretty similar in that respect but I think Snyder's baseline is a bit higher.
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
What big 12 bowl is the play-in or less equivalent?
Post by: chum1 on November 22, 2017, 04:07:00 PM
20% of D1 basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
60% of D1 football teams make bowl games.There's triple the amount of D1 bball teams tho
20% of D1 basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2017, 06:58:12 PM
it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s point
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
I don't agree with that. The football program has high expectations that the basketball program hasn't had. You can't have lofty expectations and be stagnant at the same time.
We'll finish this season with 6-8 wins this year and there will absolutely be talk of 10 wins and contention for the conference title next year, and there should be.
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2017, 07:44:08 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 22, 2017, 08:17:16 PM
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Do you know how percentages work?60% of D1 football teams make bowl games.There's triple the amount of D1 bball teams tho
20% of D1 basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.
We'll finish this season with 6-8 wins this year and there will absolutely be talk of 10 wins and contention for the conference title next year, and there should be.those same expectations existed this year
Post by: sys on November 22, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
What would you define as growing in a positive way
hcss.
Post by: The Big Train on November 23, 2017, 07:11:22 AM
Do you know how percentages work?60% of D1 football teams make bowl games.There's triple the amount of D1 bball teams tho
20% of D1 basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.
:lol:
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on November 23, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
it’s really odd that people are having a hard time w dlew12’s point
I made the snyder-weber comparison and it’s the same thing
our program is stagnant and certainly isn’t growing in any positive way, that gets boring
I don't agree with that. The football program has high expectations that the basketball program hasn't had. You can't have lofty expectations and be stagnant at the same time.
We'll finish this season with 6-8 wins this year and there will absolutely be talk of 10 wins and contention for the conference title next year, and there should be.
This is why i think Bill returns....that and I'm sure he thinks if he retires (and Sean isn't the pick) he will die, soon. And i'd be totally ok with it. Really wish he'd upgrade coordinators but of course that won't happen. If he wouldn't insert Levitt as at least co-DC ("we didn't have a coordinator position available") then he's certainly not going to make a move at OC or DC.
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:28:18 AM
Do you know how percentages work?60% of D1 football teams make bowl games.There's triple the amount of D1 bball teams tho
20% of D1 basketball teams make the NCAA tournament.
:lol:
Wacky gets to a fair point, though. The autobid conferences definitely skew the numbers with so many bball teams that have no way of making the tournament without winning their conference tournament. I’d like to see the relative figures from just the schools that play both D1 FB and BB.
Post by: tdaver on November 23, 2017, 08:53:50 AM
# of tournament teams = 6, 7, 7, 7, 5 = 6.4 avg
# of bowl team = 6, 7, 7, 6, 9 = 7.0 avg
So the last B12 bowl team is roughly equivalent to the tourney play in game.
Post by: chum1 on November 23, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
Just look at the Big 12. Here's the last 5 seasons.
# of tournament teams = 6, 7, 7, 7, 5 = 6.4 avg
# of bowl team = 6, 7, 7, 6, 9 = 7.0 avg
So the last B12 bowl team is roughly equivalent to the tourney play in game.
Good comparison. I do think the minimum standard for KSU sports should be making the NCAA tournament/ bowl game, competing for a conference championship every few years, and making a top tier bowl/deep tournament run every few years. By those standards Bill 2.0 is clearly more successful than oscar, but not by a very wide margin.
Post by: Joker on December 01, 2017, 10:16:41 AM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
https://twitter.com/LifeofFitz/status/936619066319568896
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
Kietzman saying Fitz is saying it was Currie that talked because coaches are calling Snyder asking what it's like to work with Currie and Bill is telling all of them not to do it and Currie is horrible.
https://twitter.com/LifeofFitz/status/936619066319568896
Uh, I don't understand how that confirms their theory, what does one have to do with the other?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 01, 2017, 10:29:06 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2017, 10:35:06 AM
I think the logic is that McMurphy can't be that "sourced" in UT and KSU unless it's Currie. That's how I read Fitz's tweets.
That's something I guess.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 01, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 01, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
With all this Tennessee fun, i have forgotten. Why did Currie decide to leak the Snyder story to McMurphy when he did?
Here's the theory as I understand it: coaches were calling Snyder to ask what working with Currie was like. As you can imagine, Snyder wasn't saying nice things, so Currie leaked the Snyder/Leavitt story to make Snyder seem crazy/difficult to work with himself.
Post by: IPA4Me on December 01, 2017, 12:51:51 PM
With all this Tennessee fun, i have forgotten. Why did Currie decide to leak the Snyder story to McMurphy when he did?Butch Jones fired Nov 12
Calls being made by other coaches to Snyder.
Currier is butt hurt.
Leaks story to McMurphy on Nov 15.
JC feels smugly better.
EMAW still wins in the end.
That's the general idea.
Post by: Cire on December 01, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
With all this Tennessee fun, i have forgotten. Why did Currie decide to leak the Snyder story to McMurphy when he did?
Here's the theory as I understand it: coaches were calling Snyder to ask what working with Currie was like. As you can imagine, Snyder wasn't saying nice things, so Currie leaked the Snyder/Leavitt story to make Snyder seem crazy/difficult to work with himself.
Post by: wazucat on December 01, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
With all this Tennessee fun, i have forgotten. Why did Currie decide to leak the Snyder story to McMurphy when he did?
Here's the theory as I understand it: coaches were calling Snyder to ask what working with Currie was like. As you can imagine, Snyder wasn't saying nice things, so Currie leaked the Snyder/Leavitt story to make Snyder seem crazy/difficult to work with himself.
When is Captain Crap going to weigh in on this issue?
Post by: Katpappy on December 01, 2017, 08:31:00 PM
He's busy traveling to Washington to hunt down an animal.With all this Tennessee fun, i have forgotten. Why did Currie decide to leak the Snyder story to McMurphy when he did?
Here's the theory as I understand it: coaches were calling Snyder to ask what working with Currie was like. As you can imagine, Snyder wasn't saying nice things, so Currie leaked the Snyder/Leavitt story to make Snyder seem crazy/difficult to work with himself.
When is Captain Crap going to weigh in on this issue?
Post by: 'taterblast on December 08, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on December 08, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2017, 10:59:02 PM
Post by: BackPayne on December 08, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
https://twitter.com/coachseansnyder/status/939340017096384513
Sean is tweeting at a community college level.
Post by: gokatgo on December 08, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Post by: bones129 on December 09, 2017, 01:11:26 AM
Post by: stunted on December 09, 2017, 01:23:44 AM
Post by: Joker on December 09, 2017, 07:11:28 AM
https://twitter.com/coachseansnyder/status/939340017096384513
Sean is tweeting at a community college level.
Maybe he's at a jedi level. Could be trolling the crap out of us.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 09, 2017, 09:02:24 AM
Post by: Joker on December 09, 2017, 09:11:59 AM
Post by: #LIFE on December 09, 2017, 09:25:28 AM
surprised he believes in loyalty when he benefits from it. i do feel better about him than when oscar was hired
I think Sean can do a good enough job keeping things afloat. I just feel like 8-9 wins is probably the ceiling there.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 09, 2017, 09:44:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 09:53:56 AM
https://twitter.com/coachseansnyder/status/939518497754894336
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2017, 10:25:29 AM
https://twitter.com/PurpleHaze_70/status/939380872150769664
Scott Thomas sucks and I think I'm going to tell him so.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 10:36:55 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on December 09, 2017, 10:49:23 AM
So bad, on so many levels.
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2017, 11:13:21 AM
also, Sean and Frank Martin should have a tweet-off
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Smdh. Sean’s tweets make me [sic].
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
I mean, it was cute when Frank would do it because A) He’s adorable; B) he’s obviously trying to preserve characters, and C) He’s bilingual and how many languages can YOU speak, Mr. Smartypants? Sean has got none of these things going on. He just wrote, “that often these Day’s...”No there's really not much of a difference if you take off your anti-Seanite goggles
Smdh. Sean’s tweets make me [sic].
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 12:17:24 PM
Post by: pvegs on December 09, 2017, 01:18:10 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 01:21:42 PM
You are correct that I dislike Sean, but you guys know that I hate unnecessary apostrophes even more. Also, I don’t really follow Sean’s tweets at all, but those two right there read with the voice, spelling/convention errors, and choppy, borderline incoherent sentence structure of Trump tweets. Sad!!!JFC SkinBen, run on much. Or is it, SkinBen a cross country runner of sentences.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2017, 01:43:01 PM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on December 09, 2017, 01:54:20 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
Why would anyone dislike Sean, that's really odd?
Wasted a schollie on Tate? :dunno:
I guess I don’t dislike him as a person or ST coach as much as I just resent and loathe the idea of his inevitable ascent to our head coaching job based purely on nepotism.
Post by: BackPayne on December 09, 2017, 01:57:36 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 09, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
Frank would never ever tweet "Day's" you assholes
rough ridin' thank you.
Post by: Trim on December 09, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 02:17:59 PM
Frank would never ever tweet "Day's" you assholes
rough ridin' thank you.
Maybe d8z or something tho
Post by: BackPayne on December 09, 2017, 02:22:09 PM
I think he's been told he's not going to get the gig and is passive-aggressively tweeting about loyalty and the lack of it to him.
I agree.
Post by: ELL3 on December 09, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
https://twitter.com/coachseansnyder/status/939340017096384513
Sean is tweeting at a community college level.
Maybe he's at a jedi level. Could be trolling the crap out of us.
Sean is not getting the HC job, he is leaving for a Special Teams job elsewhere, Bill will not remain at K-State minus Sean. Let us welcome Coach Craig Bohl :zzz:
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2017, 03:10:19 PM
Why would anyone dislike Sean, that's really odd?
Depends upon what you mean by like. Do you mean as a human, or as someone who could win ball games?
As a human, I am not so sure about Sean. He berated college CF3 in the parking lot after a little league baseball game, in which CF3 was the Ump. I know CF3 fairly well, he’s an amazingly nice guy. CF3 said Sean was pretty mean and out of line. CF3 doesn’t like Sean as a result.
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
I think he's been told he's not going to get the gig and is passive-aggressively tweeting about loyalty and the lack of it to him.
I agree.
That does seem like what I believe about Sean.
Post by: manpow5 on December 09, 2017, 03:46:34 PM
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author=justanotherguy link=topic=39851.msg1789820#msg1789820 date=1512851741]
Sean is not getting the HC job, he is leaving for a Special Teams job elsewhere, Bill will not remain at K-State minus Sean. Let us welcome Coach Bret Bielema :zzz:
Seans tweets do seem like he is reminiscing about the early days like he's gonna miss BSFS here shortly..... my guess is Sean leaves, Bill retires, demands K-State remove all symbols and mentions of him from the university because he's done with us and tired of all the negativity ( mentioning GE by name as the biggest culprit), and casts a wizard spell on us to send us back to the pit of misery of college footbal, aka - pre 1989. Bill moves to a community in Florida or Scottsdale and puts Manhattan behind him.
Post by: sys on December 09, 2017, 04:18:57 PM
Why would anyone dislike Sean, that's really odd?
people are stupid, mir. they would discard our birthright as yesterday's refuse.
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 04:20:03 PM
First day was January 1990
I'm worried about him a little bit!
Post by: sys on December 09, 2017, 04:22:54 PM
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 04:24:34 PM
Post by: Trim on December 09, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
I'm worried about him a little bit!
He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job. Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.
Post by: pissclams on December 09, 2017, 04:50:15 PM
He certainly has a way with wordshis nickname around the weight room is “wordsmith”
Post by: MadCat on December 09, 2017, 05:41:35 PM
Post by: AppleJack on December 09, 2017, 06:14:36 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 09, 2017, 06:30:29 PM
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
https://twitter.com/FrankMartin_SC/status/939677106480517120
Post by: kearneymen on December 09, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job. Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.
To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince
What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?' BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job. From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company. It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.
To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that? Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 09:35:48 PM
He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job. Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.
To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince
What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?' BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job. From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company. It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.
To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that? Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?
ZEALOUS FIRST POST!!!!!!!
Post by: kearneymen on December 09, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job. Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.
To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince
What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?' BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job. From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company. It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.
To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that? Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching. His degree is in Law as in Lawyer. Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fth_twocents.gif&hash=f118285c5d80655dcbcd43f91d450bec810ed140)
Post by: BackPayne on December 09, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on December 09, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
and yeah he's just trolling the crap out of everyone at this point.
Post by: Trim on December 09, 2017, 10:13:58 PM
Post by: kearneymen on December 09, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching. His degree is in Law as in Lawyer. Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fth_twocents.gif&hash=f118285c5d80655dcbcd43f91d450bec810ed140)
Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)
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Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
he didn't play high school football?
and yeah he's just trolling the crap out of everyone at this point.
Must be because his list of items that should put Sean chance of being a good HC unattainable, amounts to a pile of dribble. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2F%27bye%2520cruel%2520world.gif&hash=a2deaf158ed2ff0cee86c63fdf83d7573b919b94)
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 10:20:33 PM
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching. His degree is in Law as in Lawyer. Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fth_twocents.gif&hash=f118285c5d80655dcbcd43f91d450bec810ed140)
Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)
You could still apply your list to Leach. So what does that prove.
Post by: fightinsnydersksu on December 09, 2017, 10:30:50 PM
Quoteauthor=justanotherguy link=topic=39851.msg1789820#msg1789820 date=1512851741]
Sean is not getting the HC job, he is leaving for a Special Teams job elsewhere, Bill will not remain at K-State minus Sean. Let us welcome Coach Bret Bielema :zzz:
Seans tweets do seem like he is reminiscing about the early days like he's gonna miss BSFS here shortly..... my guess is Sean leaves, Bill retires, demands K-State remove all symbols and mentions of him from the university because he's done with us and tired of all the negativity ( mentioning GE by name as the biggest culprit), and casts a wizard spell on us to send us back to the pit of misery of college footbal, aka - pre 1989. Bill moves to a community in Florida or Scottsdale and puts Manhattan behind him.
Dilly dilly
Post by: kearneymen on December 09, 2017, 10:34:11 PM
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching. His degree is in Law as in Lawyer. Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fth_twocents.gif&hash=f118285c5d80655dcbcd43f91d450bec810ed140)
Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)
You could still apply your list to Leach. So what does that prove.
That Leach (who I too like) proved he was a great offensive coordinator under multiple head coaches before he was given a shot at an average school. It may not be a whole lot more than Sean, but at some point most folks have to admit that handing over the team to Sean is at least a little uncomfortable due to a flimsy resume and obvious inside track.
Post by: chum1 on December 09, 2017, 10:40:42 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching. His degree is in Law as in Lawyer. Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fth_twocents.gif&hash=f118285c5d80655dcbcd43f91d450bec810ed140)
Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)
You could still apply your list to Leach. So what does that prove.
That Leach (who I too like) proved he was a great offensive coordinator under multiple head coaches before he was given a shot at an average school. It may not be a whole lot more than Sean, but at some point most folks have to admit that handing over the team to Sean is at least a little uncomfortable due to a flimsy resume and obvious inside track.
If the rumors are true, we'll get to see how good of an OC he will be next season. Maybe after we see how that works out we will have a better opportunity to guess what kind of a HC he'll be.
Post by: pvegs on December 10, 2017, 02:46:55 AM
He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job. Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.
To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince
What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?' BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job. From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company. It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.
To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that? Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?
more kearneymen posts please. wow.
Post by: stunted on December 10, 2017, 03:11:54 AM
since he was kind of the head coach he did at least a mediocre job the last few years. if he can keep all of the things bill did well and improve on the other things, he would be great. a younger bill. plus he would stay forever.
Post by: BackPayne on December 10, 2017, 07:28:11 AM
i think being groomed to be the head coach by a hall of famer is going to teach him more ceo skills than most coordinators.
since he was kind of the head coach he did at least a mediocre job the last few years. if he can keep all of the things bill did well and improve on the other things, he would be great. a younger bill. plus he would stay forever.
As with many HCs, his choice of OC and DC will be the determining factor. I bet he would make sure and bring in some good assistant coaches to prove that he isn't his dad.
Post by: ben ji on December 10, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
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Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2017, 09:39:37 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on December 10, 2017, 09:45:13 AM
To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that? Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?
It was sarcasm and pointing out a worst case kitn. As a fellow scouty, it's low hanging fruit.
I am conflicted presently. LHCBC deserves to end his storybook career as he sees fit. But every year is closer to the finale. It is simply smart business to be prepared for the future. This off-season, KSU has a somewhat unique opportunity in that several viable candidates are possibly available. If this is not coaches last game, we are looking at Sean vs a watered down talent pool.
Venables has desired this job since coach first retired. He's a very hot commodity, and his defenses have been the best in the nation. I see their style/intensity and think back to Howard, ,Leber, Simoneau, etc. It's a far cry from the bend, don't break philosophy.
OTOH, he's unproven as a CEO. He is able to recruit the finest athletes; we cannot. Winning is paramount at Clemson,; but is part of the equation at KSU. If successful, southeastern schools will court him vigorously.
Leavitt has wanted the job since being fired from USF. His intensity is unmatched, and he has a great track record at CU and Oregon of excellent defenses. He's going to FSU and it's probably a win-win. Just wanted to mention him as a till recent candidate.
Bielma is probably the second most successful Snyder disciple. He's won 3 big 10 titles, been painfully close to playing for national championships. Has numerous elite players in the NFL. He has made mistakes and seems to learn the lesson. He's been humbled and shown resilience. His present circumstances probably ensure he will interested in long-term position.
OTOH. (This is a short list) He has burned bridges at a former school (UW) and failed at another (ARK). There are those that claim his physical appearance and professional results have changed due to poor life choices. His wife has been publicly immature. Nothing that indicates MHK is important to him.
I mention Coach Stoops out of respect and the fact that he is not currently coaching. He's highly respected, successful, etc. If I was AD, I would pitch him knowing my odds were akin to playing Powerball.
Sean has been groomed and is promoted by his father. A father with a pretty good track record for being able to develop leaders. He's been successful with prior responsibility. He would remain loyal to the program regardless of success.
OTOH. We have very little public evidence of his responsibilities. Father says he basically has/can run the program. The history of sons following HOF coaches footsteps is dismal. If he fails, it will be difficult for both sides to make tough decisions.
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All of this.
I think it is important for K-Staters to realize this is a difficult decision, with no clear, easy answers. What tends to happen is that people think their perspective is 100% right (Sean sucks, I trust Bill, etc), without appreciating there are two sides to every coin. And then people dig in their hills and start posting nasty stuff directly to Sean’s twitter account. That doesn’t help at all.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
i think being groomed to be the head coach by a hall of famer is going to teach him more ceo skills than most coordinators.
since he was kind of the head coach he did at least a mediocre job the last few years. if he can keep all of the things bill did well and improve on the other things, he would be great. a younger bill. plus he would stay forever.
my man
Post by: 8manpick on December 10, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
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Post by: kearneymen on December 10, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
I think it is important for K-Staters to realize this is a difficult decision, with no clear, easy answers. What tends to happen is that people think their perspective is 100% right (Sean sucks, I trust Bill, etc), without appreciating there are two sides to every coin. And then people dig in their hills and start posting nasty stuff directly to Sean’s twitter account. That doesn’t help at all.
This is very true and well said... I do hope that we can critically think about the issue, and I hope that those who have to make the decision are willing to think for themselves, ask the difficult questions and legitimately search the field of qualified candidates. What worries me are folks who view LHC Bill Snyder as incapable of making a bad or 'blind spot' decision; therefore, since Bill says Sean is the best then no one needs to apply any thought into the equation. I do agree that the nasty things posted to Sean's account are on the other extreme of too critical and down right mean.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 10, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
Good Christ, in the last page or two we've had a "pass the mustard" and a "dig in their hills", but somehow we're worried about Sean's poor grammar.
my man
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 10, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on December 10, 2017, 07:37:31 PM
Good Christ, in the last page or two we've had a "pass the mustard" and a "dig in their hills", but somehow we're worried about Sean's poor grammar.
I got “their”right, though :ROFL:
Post by: stunted on December 10, 2017, 10:16:46 PM
Post by: tdaver on December 10, 2017, 11:19:55 PM
John Thompson - may have been someone in between, don't remember
Post by: stunted on December 11, 2017, 12:20:46 AM
both Scott Drew and Bryce Drew
John Thompson - may have been someone in between, don't remember
i was going to say 2 failed coaches is too small of a sample size, but those names are :love:
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2017, 06:12:35 AM
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2017, 07:39:11 AM
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 11, 2017, 11:08:46 AM
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
can somebody please confirm whether Sean played highschool football? Per his wiki bio, "Snyder earned first-team all-area and second-team all-district honors as a punter and kicker at Greenville High School in Greenville, Texas. He also played baseball."He didn't go to high school in Iowa? :confused:
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
can somebody please confirm whether Sean played highschool football? Per his wiki bio, "Snyder earned first-team all-area and second-team all-district honors as a punter and kicker at Greenville High School in Greenville, Texas. He also played baseball."He didn't go to high school in Iowa? :confused:
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Bill and his first wife (and I assume Sean's mom) divorced in 1979, I'm assuming Sean stayed in Texas with her when Snyder moved on to Iowa which was at the same time.
Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2017, 12:17:33 PM
can somebody please confirm whether Sean played highschool football? Per his wiki bio, "Snyder earned first-team all-area and second-team all-district honors as a punter and kicker at Greenville High School in Greenville, Texas. He also played baseball."He didn't go to high school in Iowa? :confused:
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Bill and his first wife (and I assume Sean's mom) divorced in 1979, I'm assuming Sean stayed in Texas with her when Snyder moved on to Iowa which was at the same time.
yep I googled and was coming here to answer myself
https://www.si.com/vault/1998/11/09/251733/miracle-worker-thanks-to-tireless-coach-bill-snyder-once-moribund-kansas-state-not-only-is-a-consistent-winner-but-also-has-the-national-title-within-its-reach
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 11, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
can somebody please confirm whether Sean played highschool football? Per his wiki bio, "Snyder earned first-team all-area and second-team all-district honors as a punter and kicker at Greenville High School in Greenville, Texas. He also played baseball."He didn't go to high school in Iowa? :confused:
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Bill and his first wife (and I assume Sean's mom) divorced in 1979, I'm assuming Sean stayed in Texas with her when Snyder moved on to Iowa which was at the same time.
yep I googled and was coming here to answer myself
https://www.si.com/vault/1998/11/09/251733/miracle-worker-thanks-to-tireless-coach-bill-snyder-once-moribund-kansas-state-not-only-is-a-consistent-winner-but-also-has-the-national-title-within-its-reach
Life of Sean
A heartfelt story of a boy who watched his father leave him and his mother to chase his dreams of being a division 1 football coach. Tune in as we watch this boy struggle through his teens to join his father at the collegiate level as a player first, and then as a coach by his side...constantly seeking his father's approval.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansas.com%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fbig-12%2Fkansas-state%2Fk-stated%2F7e89qj%2Fpicture100885227%2Falternates%2FLANDSCAPE_1140%2FIMG_091814ksu_auburn_br0_8_1_CF6JOF06_L179726060&hash=1f3c6db1960603d5e397fca38593b53eddb82364)
Post by: BackPayne on December 11, 2017, 09:13:10 PM
Post by: Joker on December 11, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
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LOSER: KANSAS STATE
LHC Bill Snyder still appears to be clinging to the dream of passing the program on to his son. This has gone from selfish to sad to toxic, as the entire administration at Kansas State is ready for a change. But Snyder, 78, is still living in nepotism fantasyland that his son, Sean, is qualified to take over. That’s hurt the program, which is 20-16 the last three seasons and lacks an identity nationally outside of mediocrity and uncertainty. Every year Snyder stays and tries to bully the handoff to his son further tarnishes his legacy. This is the anti-Frank Beamer succession. (For example: With offensive coordinator Dana Dimel gone to take the UTEP job, what qualified offensive coordinator would want to work under these conditions?) It will be interesting to see if Kansas State administrators have the collective guts to engage with Snyder about his departure after Kansas State’s bowl game on Dec. 26. Snyder has had a great run, as his accomplishments can’t be overstated. But he’s completely unaware of how bad this whole situation looks or simply doesn’t seem to care.
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
:love:
Post by: PurpleOil on December 11, 2017, 11:21:33 PM
can somebody please confirm whether Sean played highschool football? Per his wiki bio, "Snyder earned first-team all-area and second-team all-district honors as a punter and kicker at Greenville High School in Greenville, Texas. He also played baseball."He didn't go to high school in Iowa? :confused:
if this information is inaccurate, Wikipedia needs to know. and our fans deserve to know.
Bill and his first wife (and I assume Sean's mom) divorced in 1979, I'm assuming Sean stayed in Texas with her when Snyder moved on to Iowa which was at the same time.
yep I googled and was coming here to answer myself
https://www.si.com/vault/1998/11/09/251733/miracle-worker-thanks-to-tireless-coach-bill-snyder-once-moribund-kansas-state-not-only-is-a-consistent-winner-but-also-has-the-national-title-within-its-reach
Life of Sean
A heartfelt story of a boy who watched his father leave him and his mother to chase his dreams of being a division 1 football coach. Tune in as we watch this boy struggle through his teens to join his father at the collegiate level as a player first, and then as a coach by his side...constantly seeking his father's approval.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansas.com%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fbig-12%2Fkansas-state%2Fk-stated%2F7e89qj%2Fpicture100885227%2Falternates%2FLANDSCAPE_1140%2FIMG_091814ksu_auburn_br0_8_1_CF6JOF06_L179726060&hash=1f3c6db1960603d5e397fca38593b53eddb82364)
Jesus... I know we're all goEMAW-ing here, but the fact that scenario is even plausible when you spend half a second thinking about it...
Post by: Winters on December 12, 2017, 09:43:54 AM
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Post by: CHONGS on December 14, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 14, 2017, 11:52:25 AM
i'm wavering on my stance of #NeverSean Bill has worn me down. I know he's coming back next year, but i'm to the point where i'd be willing to accept Sean as our coach.
lol yeah. I'm just like whatever at this point
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 14, 2017, 12:38:43 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 14, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
Post by: _33 on December 14, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 14, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 14, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 14, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
Maybe Sean could bring Saban on as DC!!
Not sure if this is serious but if it's meant in jest you are a kstate small time mentality loser. We should at least CALL him. We have nice facilities.
Also, how many hires have been made this year at major programs that have the fan bases totally pumped? Anyone expecting KSU to make a big hiring splash if it's not Sean is likely going to be very disappointed.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2017, 01:34:27 PM
Are you saying Sean is a big hiring splash? Support him if you want but the hire will largely be met with skepticism.Maybe Sean could bring Saban on as DC!!
Not sure if this is serious but if it's meant in jest you are a kstate small time mentality loser. We should at least CALL him. We have nice facilities.
Also, how many hires have been made this year at major programs that have the fan bases totally pumped? Anyone expecting KSU to make a big hiring splash if it's not Sean is likely going to be very disappointed.
K-State has a pretty unique opportunity to call and offer the job to as many people as they want. No matter how bad the job looks because of it, Sean and/or Leavitt would still jump at it. No reason to start with them if we think there could be a better candidate out there.
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 14, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Are you saying Sean is a big hiring splash? Support him if you want but the hire will largely be met with skepticism.Maybe Sean could bring Saban on as DC!!
Not sure if this is serious but if it's meant in jest you are a kstate small time mentality loser. We should at least CALL him. We have nice facilities.
Also, how many hires have been made this year at major programs that have the fan bases totally pumped? Anyone expecting KSU to make a big hiring splash if it's not Sean is likely going to be very disappointed.
K-State has a pretty unique opportunity to call and offer the job to as many people as they want. No matter how bad the job looks because of it, Sean and/or Leavitt would still jump at it. No reason to start with them if we think there could be a better candidate out there.
No absolutely not...what i meant was a lot of major programs made hires but i would suggest very few were met with overwhelming joy. Sean's hire would be as pedestrian as it comes...nothing at all to be excited about and most likely pretty polarizing. My point is that we have next to a zero percent chance of making a "big splash" hire.
Post by: That_Guy on December 14, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
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Post by: Gooch on December 14, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
Ucla is pretty pumped. Nubb is pretty pumped. Cult Aggie is pretty pumped. Florida fans* are pretty pumped.Maybe Sean could bring Saban on as DC!!
Not sure if this is serious but if it's meant in jest you are a kstate small time mentality loser. We should at least CALL him. We have nice facilities.
Also, how many hires have been made this year at major programs that have the fan bases totally pumped? Anyone expecting KSU to make a big hiring splash if it's not Sean is likely going to be very disappointed.
*completely based off of EDSBS reaction.
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2017, 02:23:34 PM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 14, 2017, 02:51:11 PM
Ucla is pretty pumped. Nubb is pretty pumped. Cult Aggie is pretty pumped. Florida fans* are pretty pumped.Maybe Sean could bring Saban on as DC!!
Not sure if this is serious but if it's meant in jest you are a kstate small time mentality loser. We should at least CALL him. We have nice facilities.
Also, how many hires have been made this year at major programs that have the fan bases totally pumped? Anyone expecting KSU to make a big hiring splash if it's not Sean is likely going to be very disappointed.
*completely based off of EDSBS reaction.
Agreed! And in no way would i suggest that we are not on par with these programs and should not expect an equally exciting hire...I am not a KSU small minded loser...in fact a case could be made that we are a far more attractive program than any of those 4. we have nice facilities! However, outside of BV i'm not sure who we could get excited about (other than if we make a run at Saban or Meyer, which we obviously should because facilities). And i'm not sure BV wants to be a HC or maybe more accurately I'm worried why he isn't already a HC.
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
Post by: KITNfury on December 14, 2017, 02:55:36 PM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 14, 2017, 03:28:54 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on December 14, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
this mothertrucker has to be a sock, right?
I'm sure Chingon got bored and came up with something new. Makes sense.
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 14, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
this mothertrucker has to be a sock, right?
I'm sure Chingon got bored and came up with something new. Makes sense.
et tu, _Fan?
Post by: The Big Train on December 14, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
this mothertrucker has to be a sock, right?
I'm sure Chingon got bored and came up with something new. Makes sense.
Been around since March so it might be a real person. :dunno:
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2017, 03:47:04 PM
Case closed
Post by: manpow5 on December 14, 2017, 03:50:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
Venzy would make a HUGE splash, and he's someone we should totally be able to get.
:lol: I see why your opinions are few and far between. Tennessee hired Nick Saban's DC and literally everyone was like
(https://i.redd.it/bjycjk55v9lx.gif)
There is literally one fan base in the P5 who would think of Brent Venables, or any other coordinator, as a dream hire
Post by: _33 on December 14, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
Venzy would make a HUGE splash, and he's someone we should totally be able to get.
:lol: I see why your opinions are few and far between. Tennessee hired Nick Saban's DC and literally everyone was like
(https://i.redd.it/bjycjk55v9lx.gif)
There is literally one fan base in the P5 who would think of Brent Venables, or any other coordinator, as a dream hire
I think he was saying that it would make a huge splash for KSU cat fans.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2017, 04:21:53 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G-jacUj2g6M/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2017, 04:26:34 PM
Venzy would make a HUGE splash, and he's someone we should totally be able to get.
:lol: I see why your opinions are few and far between. Tennessee hired Nick Saban's DC and literally everyone was like
(https://i.redd.it/bjycjk55v9lx.gif)
There is literally one fan base in the P5 who would think of Brent Venables, or any other coordinator, as a dream hire
I think he was saying that it would make a huge splash for KSU cat fans.
Okay, got it. If this is the case I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies to m2. That's not the point wb was making though, everyone is excited with their own hire. We were excited for Ron, hell Tennessee was happy with their hire despite him being 100% off of the radar.
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2017, 04:28:22 PM
Post by: BackPayne on December 14, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2017, 04:41:18 PM
Unfortunately splash hire and KSU don't usually go together. At this point anyone other than Sean or Leavitt getting the HC job would surprise the hell out of me.
Huggins?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2017, 04:52:41 PM
Post by: PIPE on December 14, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
Weber was a splash of sorts
Turd Splash?
Post by: Pete on December 14, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
We can offer like a bajillion coaches who are long shots, and still get Sean. We should publicly announce now that Sean is a safety net option. Don't even ask Sean, just announce it. Sean's not going to rough ridin' do anything about it! LOL Sean! Just sitting there waiting to be told where we want him. God bless his soul.
Post by: Pete on December 14, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 14, 2017, 06:08:12 PM
Post by: Pete on December 14, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
If it's truly his dream job, he'd take minimum wage.
Agreed, but I truly believe Sean has earned the right to receive a $75K offer.
Post by: schreds21 on December 14, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
Belly FlopWeber was a splash of sorts
Turd Splash?
Post by: kso_FAN on December 14, 2017, 10:50:53 PM
this mothertrucker has to be a sock, right?
I'm sure Chingon got bored and came up with something new. Makes sense.
et tu, _Fan?
:peek:
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2017, 11:32:00 PM
yes, clearly i meant Venzy would be considered a huge splash with K-State fans. but hey, Darnell McDonald didn't play MY playstation so i will just kindly stfu
You probably should, but you won't. Just keep entertaining us with your impressive run of shitty posting.
Post by: meow meow on December 15, 2017, 09:00:04 AM
yes, clearly i meant Venzy would be considered a huge splash with K-State fans. but hey, Darnell McDonald didn't play MY playstation so i will just kindly stfu
You probably should, but you won't. Just keep entertaining us with your impressive run of shitty posting.
will do
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 15, 2017, 11:26:16 AM
he didn't come on my radar until his "facilities" stuff.
30 years ago we were the laughing stock of college football. Today we should consider ourselves on par with some of the very elite schools in CFB...so much so that if we so much as question at least CALLING Chip Kelly and Bob Stoops we are small minded loser KSU fans. We should EXPECT to hire the very best available HC. Well there are only 2 things that have changed in the past 30 years: 1. LHC Bill Snyder and 2. Facilities. LHC Bill Snyder is a senile old bastard that needs go. So facilities.
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 15, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
he didn't come on my radar until his "facilities" stuff.
30 years ago we were the laughing stock of college football. Today we should consider ourselves on par with some of the very elite schools in CFB...so much so that if we so much as question at least CALLING Chip Kelly and Bob Stoops we are small minded loser KSU fans. We should EXPECT to hire the very best available HC. Well there are only 2 things that have changed in the past 30 years: 1. LHC Bill Snyder and 2. Facilities. LHC Bill Snyder is a senile old bastard that needs go. So facilities.
Yes i am quoting my own post :gocho: The reality is that we are Iowa State, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Texas Tech, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, you get the idea...and our HC hire will be on par with any of these other "mid-level" P5 schools. We aren't getting Chip Kelly, Bob Stoops or any other highly sought after candidate. It's not a loser mentality, it's reality. Reality that a lot of our fans can't accept for whatever reason....probably because in their lifetime they've only known pretty good cat football.
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 01:19:37 PM
The reality is that we are Iowa State, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Texas Tech, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, you get the idea...and our HC hire will be on par with any of these other "mid-level" P5 schools.
This is accurate.
BUT, there have been elite jobs that reached out to Venables. Which means K-State could make that hire which would basically be an upper tier hire. ALSO, no one, absolutely not a single P5 job would consider Sean for their HC position. So that would be less than a lowest tier hire.
So if Sean is seriously a possibility, you can offer guys like Brent, or hell even Stoops since his kids will be here, maybe Leavitt, then lots of others. And if every single person you can name says no, let Sean have it. In no world, should Sean ever be offered the job before at least 8-10 others have said no.
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 01:22:45 PM
Post by: meow meow on December 15, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
The reality is that we are Iowa State, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Texas Tech, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, you get the idea...and our HC hire will be on par with any of these other "mid-level" P5 schools.
This is accurate.
BUT, there have been elite jobs that reached out to Venables. Which means K-State could make that hire which would basically be an upper tier hire. ALSO, no one, absolutely not a single P5 job would consider Sean for their HC position. So that would be less than a lowest tier hire.
So if Sean is seriously a possibility, you can offer guys like Brent, or hell even Stoops since his kids will be here, maybe Leavitt, then lots of others. And if every single person you can name says no, let Sean have it. In no world, should Sean ever be offered the job before at least 8-10 others have said no.
is Stoops kid walking on here next year a done deal, has he came out and said that?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2017, 02:21:53 PM
The reality is that we are Iowa State, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Texas Tech, Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, you get the idea...and our HC hire will be on par with any of these other "mid-level" P5 schools.
This is accurate.
BUT, there have been elite jobs that reached out to Venables. Which means K-State could make that hire which would basically be an upper tier hire. ALSO, no one, absolutely not a single P5 job would consider Sean for their HC position. So that would be less than a lowest tier hire.
I hate that people use this as a criteria, Sean is uniquely qualified to only coach here, no one doubts that, but coaches get hired under that scenario all of the time. The best example of this is Chip Kelly. He was a OC at Oregon for two years before he got that job, it was his only FBS experience, he wasn't going to get another decent P5 job based on that. He got the Oregon job because he was familiar with the system and after working with him for two years they were comfortable with him taking over.
Lincoln Riley is another example. He was thought of as a rising star but he wasn't likely to get another job last season. He probably would have gotten a chance this season, but he wasn't a serous candidate for the open jobs last season. He got the OU job because he was there, they were comfortable handing him the keys because they saw him work everyday.
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 02:31:47 PM
If Sean would be OC for two years and be impressive, I would 100% be behind him (I think). I'm not sure he'd even be able to know what to call/influence the call on a 4th and short or something at this point.
I guess we'll see, cause he could be great, or absolutely terrible. I would just rather not put ourselves in the situation to find out.
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
and not for nothing, but i think the jury is still out on Riley. i want to see what he does without the best QB in big 12 history taking snaps.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
Chip and Lincoln had top 5-10 offenses their two years as OC's.
If Sean would be OC for two years and be impressive, I would 100% be behind him (I think). I'm not sure he'd even be able to know what to call/influence the call on a 4th and short or something at this point.
I guess we'll see, cause he could be great, or absolutely terrible. I would just rather not put ourselves in the situation to find out.
Yeah and they both inherited those offenses. The point wasn't to challenge their bonafides but to illustrate that at the time of their hires they almost certainly wouldn't have landed like jobs if not for familiarity.
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 03:54:11 PM
Chip and Lincoln had top 5-10 offenses their two years as OC's.
If Sean would be OC for two years and be impressive, I would 100% be behind him (I think). I'm not sure he'd even be able to know what to call/influence the call on a 4th and short or something at this point.
I guess we'll see, cause he could be great, or absolutely terrible. I would just rather not put ourselves in the situation to find out.
Yeah and they both inherited those offenses. The point wasn't to challenge their bonafides but to illustrate that at the time of their hires they almost certainly wouldn't have landed like jobs if not for familiarity.
I just feel that guys like Chip and Lincoln had proven to be creative minds and could develop offensive schemes with the best coaches in the country. And the same can be said for Leavitt and Venables on the defensive side.
Which means as head coaches, they can HEAVILY influence schemes/game plans on that side of the ball and even on the other side with how that plays out. I'm really not sure what Sean brings to that table at all, besides the handful of SP plays each game. Which means he would have to rely completely on his coordinators, and that scares the absolute crap out of me if he doesn't catch lightning in a bottle with really good young coordinators.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on December 15, 2017, 04:22:30 PM
Bishop does not play for ou, Dlew12
Or Vince Young
Post by: meow meow on December 15, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Bishop does not play for ou, Dlew12
Or Vince Young
Or Todd Reesling
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
Or Sam (#1) BradfordBishop does not play for ou, Dlew12
Or Vince Young
Or Todd Reesling
Post by: Trim on December 24, 2017, 12:45:36 PM
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"Sean's like a musician when it comes to special teams," Pringle, at Friday's Cactus Bowl media day, said of the 2015 National Special Teams Coordinator of the Year and one of 56 candidates for the 2017 Broyles Award, given to the nation's top assistant coach.
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/2017/12/24/football-se-special-teams-a-consistent-deep-force-for-k-state-in-2017.aspx
Post by: KSURFC8 on December 27, 2017, 03:47:17 PM
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DO WHAT WE DID
LHC Bill Snyder closed out his 26th season as Kansas State head coach last night, coming back with four unanswered touchdowns in the second half to beat UCLA 35-17 in the Cactus Bowl. The former Iowa assistant is godlike in Manhattan, having built the program from quite literally nothing; attendance was so low before he arrived at KSU in 1989 that the program was threatened with moving to D-IAA or disbanding altogether. The stadium is named after his family.
With his future as coach in question due to his age, it's Snyder's family that's a bit of a problem now. Snyder has a perpetual contract, allowing him four years on the same terms going forward. In other words, there is no negotiation pushing the issue of Snyder's retirement. Snyder has done nothing to put his job in jeopardy, and could not be fired even if he did -- HIS FAMILY'S NAME IS ON THE STADIUM -- and he holds the absolute right to remain in the job for as long as he wants. And Snyder has made it clear that he wants his son to have the head job when he retires.
Sean Snyder is the Kansas State associate head coach and special teams coordinator. He started his collegiate football career as a punter at Iowa, moved to Kansas State with his dad in 1990, and was an all-American punter for Kansas State in 1993. He has been an assistant on staff since 1994. Sean Snyder has never called a play, and never been a serious candidate to leave the school. As Sam Mellinger at the Kansas City Star pointed out last month, he would not be a serious candidate to be a head coach at any other program.
The previous athletics administration tried to short circuit the Snyder succession plan by hiring then-Colorado defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt as a coach in waiting. Leavitt's resume would make him a more obvious choice for KSU: He's a former Wildcat assistant, he essentially built the USF program from scratch, and while he's had his share of scandal, his on-field track record is excellent. Snyder would have none of it, not because Leavitt is unqualified or deficient, but because his name isn't Snyder. Of course, there is another former Kansas State assistant on the market who has called plenty of plays and won a few more games than Sean Snyder. Again, there is no sign that Snyder would allow Bret Bielema to take over should he step aside. On Signing Day last week, Snyder was noncommittal about his future, clearly indicating that he'll wait until the coaching carousel has stopped long enough that Kansas State would have no choice but to promote Sean.
LHC Bill Snyder announced Wednesday he is a definite maybe to be back at Kansas State next season.
In other words, a continuing example of how not to run a college football program on National Signing Day. Or perhaps more accurately -- a textbook example of how to take out that same program at the knees.
"I'm in the process [of deciding]," Snyder told reporters. "It will be a little bit."
The guess here is that Snyder -- the game's oldest coach -- absolutely knows whether he is coming back for a 27th season. But for reasons both petty and stubborn, he's stringing out his announcement.
Better for his agenda. Bad for K-State football. Really bad.
I'm not saying this is Iowa's situation. For one, Brian Ferentz has now called some plays. For another, Brian Ferentz did coach somewhere else for at least a few years. But there is little doubt that Kirk Ferentz has the same unbreakable bargaining position as LHC Bill Snyder -- Ferentz's created more by contract than reputation, but that contract was built on twenty years of stability and success -- and the same end goal. Frankly, the same candidates at Kansas State would likely be in play at Iowa; both Leavitt and Bielema have ties to the program, though Leavitt's are obviously not as pronounced as having a Tiger Hawk tattoo.
I asked Twitter one day earlier this month if it would be OK with Ferentz retiring in January if it meant Brian Ferentz got the job:
The most common response was something like "Sure, because at least he could be fired if he was unsuccessful." And that seems to be where Kansas State is headed at some point in the next few years, a move not toward the best candidate but toward some semblance of accountability from a coach for the first time in years. And man, that's an uninspired reason to make a hire. But watch KSU closely over the next few weeks (and, if Snyder doesn't leave, the next few years), because it could be a look at our future.
https://www.goiowaawesome.com/iowa-hawkeyes-news/2017/12/2473/its-not-plagiarism-if-you-link-to-it-is-in-waiting
Incredibly well written/said.
Post by: manpow5 on December 27, 2017, 04:31:43 PM
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DO WHAT WE DID
LHC LHC Bill Snyder closed out his 26th season as Kansas State head coach last night, coming back with four unanswered touchdowns in the second half to beat UCLA 35-17 in the Cactus Bowl. The former Iowa assistant is godlike in Manhattan, having built the program from quite literally nothing; attendance was so low before he arrived at KSU in 1989 that the program was threatened with moving to D-IAA or disbanding altogether. The stadium is named after his family.
With his future as coach in question due to his age, it's Snyder's family that's a bit of a problem now. Snyder has a perpetual contract, allowing him four years on the same terms going forward. In other words, there is no negotiation pushing the issue of Snyder's retirement. Snyder has done nothing to put his job in jeopardy, and could not be fired even if he did -- HIS FAMILY'S NAME IS ON THE STADIUM -- and he holds the absolute right to remain in the job for as long as he wants. And Snyder has made it clear that he wants his son to have the head job when he retires.
Sean Snyder is the Kansas State associate head coach and special teams coordinator. He started his collegiate football career as a punter at Iowa, moved to Kansas State with his dad in 1990, and was an all-American punter for Kansas State in 1993. He has been an assistant on staff since 1994. Sean Snyder has never called a play, and never been a serious candidate to leave the school. As Sam Mellinger at the Kansas City Star pointed out last month, he would not be a serious candidate to be a head coach at any other program.
The previous athletics administration tried to short circuit the Snyder succession plan by hiring then-Colorado defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt as a coach in waiting. Leavitt's resume would make him a more obvious choice for KSU: He's a former Wildcat assistant, he essentially built the USF program from scratch, and while he's had his share of scandal, his on-field track record is excellent. Snyder would have none of it, not because Leavitt is unqualified or deficient, but because his name isn't Snyder. Of course, there is another former Kansas State assistant on the market who has called plenty of plays and won a few more games than Sean Snyder. Again, there is no sign that Snyder would allow Bret Bielema to take over should he step aside. On Signing Day last week, Snyder was noncommittal about his future, clearly indicating that he'll wait until the coaching carousel has stopped long enough that Kansas State would have no choice but to promote Sean.
LHC LHC Bill Snyder announced Wednesday he is a definite maybe to be back at Kansas State next season.
In other words, a continuing example of how not to run a college football program on National Signing Day. Or perhaps more accurately -- a textbook example of how to take out that same program at the knees.
"I'm in the process [of deciding]," Snyder told reporters. "It will be a little bit."
The guess here is that Snyder -- the game's oldest coach -- absolutely knows whether he is coming back for a 27th season. But for reasons both petty and stubborn, he's stringing out his announcement.
Better for his agenda. Bad for K-State football. Really bad.
I'm not saying this is Iowa's situation. For one, Brian Ferentz has now called some plays. For another, Brian Ferentz did coach somewhere else for at least a few years. But there is little doubt that Kirk Ferentz has the same unbreakable bargaining position as LHC LHC Bill Snyder -- Ferentz's created more by contract than reputation, but that contract was built on twenty years of stability and success -- and the same end goal. Frankly, the same candidates at Kansas State would likely be in play at Iowa; both Leavitt and Bielema have ties to the program, though Leavitt's are obviously not as pronounced as having a Tiger Hawk tattoo.
I asked Twitter one day earlier this month if it would be OK with Ferentz retiring in January if it meant Brian Ferentz got the job:
The most common response was something like "Sure, because at least he could be fired if he was unsuccessful." And that seems to be where Kansas State is headed at some point in the next few years, a move not toward the best candidate but toward some semblance of accountability from a coach for the first time in years. And man, that's an uninspired reason to make a hire. But watch KSU closely over the next few weeks (and, if Snyder doesn't leave, the next few years), because it could be a look at our future.
https://www.goiowaawesome.com/iowa-hawkeyes-news/2017/12/2473/its-not-plagiarism-if-you-link-to-it-is-in-waiting
He's not wrong
Post by: Trim on December 27, 2017, 04:32:27 PM
QuoteSnyder has a perpetual contract, allowing him four years on the same terms going forward. In other words, there is no negotiation pushing the issue of Snyder's retirement.
Well, there is that whole issue of whether he keeps getting paid or not a little over a month from now.
Post by: catastrophe on December 27, 2017, 04:47:22 PM
Post by: ben ji on December 29, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
What a cruel cruel joke.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Post by: BackPayne on December 29, 2017, 04:54:18 PM
Post by: bones129 on December 29, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
So, any rumors coming out about Bill staying or going?
Some.
Post by: BackPayne on December 29, 2017, 08:17:53 PM
So, any rumors coming out about Bill staying or going?
Some.
:dubious:
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on January 01, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Post by: Pete on January 01, 2018, 09:20:50 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 01, 2018, 09:25:41 PM
Post by: kearneymen on January 01, 2018, 10:47:01 PM
I’m assuming Pete thinks Bill is still the mastermind behind KSU special teams.
Several episodes ago on the GPC podcast, Watts and Fitz broke down the special teams duties like this:
Coordinator: Sean
Punters, kickers and snappers: Sean
Returners: Coleman
Blocking / coverage: Dimel and Fabris
Post by: kearneymen on January 01, 2018, 10:53:40 PM
Dave Toub, special teams coordinator for KC Chiefs (never been a DC or OC) is on the short list for next NFL head coaching hire.
Interesting resume:
- Played as an OL in college
- Drafted but only made practice teams for two years
- 12 years as strength and conditioning coach for UTEP and MU
- 3 years DL coach at MU
- 3 years special teams coach for the Eagles
- 14 years special teams coordinator for Bears and Chiefs
Certainly a non-traditional resume for an NFL head coach, but has some variation to it. Thanks for posting.
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
http://footballscoop.com/news/resume-means-nothing-notes-afca-graduate-assistant-career-forum/
Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2018, 09:32:17 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on January 17, 2018, 09:34:38 PM
Post by: Winters on January 17, 2018, 09:42:46 PM
Post by: Havs on January 17, 2018, 09:49:03 PM
Post by: Winters on January 17, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
This is terrible. I feel sick.Same, man.
Post by: pissclams on January 17, 2018, 10:22:32 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 17, 2018, 10:35:16 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 17, 2018, 11:01:41 PM
Post by: ednksu on January 17, 2018, 11:46:36 PM
Post by: BackPayne on January 18, 2018, 12:17:51 AM
Post by: waks on January 18, 2018, 03:11:52 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 18, 2018, 03:37:28 AM
In yesterday's police report...QuoteOfficers filed a report for aggravated battery, criminal damage to property, and reckless driving at Kimball Ave. and N. Seth Child Rd. on January 16, 2017 at approximately 10:05 PM. Officers listed Alison Burton, 23, of Manhattan, and Roy Jones, 26, of Manhattan, as victims when they reported that a suspect intentionally struck their vehicle with his own. Matthew Snyder, 21, of Manhattan, was arrested for aggravated battery, criminal damage to property, and reckless driving. Snyder’s bond was set at $8,000.00. Snyder was not confined at the time of this report.
Sad, regardless.
That was 1/17/2017
Post by: kearneymen on January 18, 2018, 06:45:27 AM
Post by: mocat on January 18, 2018, 06:49:27 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on January 18, 2018, 06:53:21 AM
Post by: MadCat on January 18, 2018, 07:02:07 AM
Post by: Deez Nutz on January 18, 2018, 07:21:32 AM
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DO WHAT WE DID
LHC LHC Bill Snyder closed out his 26th season as Kansas State head coach last night, coming back with four unanswered touchdowns in the second half to beat UCLA 35-17 in the Cactus Bowl. The former Iowa assistant is godlike in Manhattan, having built the program from quite literally nothing; attendance was so low before he arrived at KSU in 1989 that the program was threatened with moving to D-IAA or disbanding altogether. The stadium is named after his family.
With his future as coach in question due to his age, it's Snyder's family that's a bit of a problem now. Snyder has a perpetual contract, allowing him four years on the same terms going forward. In other words, there is no negotiation pushing the issue of Snyder's retirement. Snyder has done nothing to put his job in jeopardy, and could not be fired even if he did -- HIS FAMILY'S NAME IS ON THE STADIUM -- and he holds the absolute right to remain in the job for as long as he wants. And Snyder has made it clear that he wants his son to have the head job when he retires.
Sean Snyder is the Kansas State associate head coach and special teams coordinator. He started his collegiate football career as a punter at Iowa, moved to Kansas State with his dad in 1990, and was an all-American punter for Kansas State in 1993. He has been an assistant on staff since 1994. Sean Snyder has never called a play, and never been a serious candidate to leave the school. As Sam Mellinger at the Kansas City Star pointed out last month, he would not be a serious candidate to be a head coach at any other program.
The previous athletics administration tried to short circuit the Snyder succession plan by hiring then-Colorado defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt as a coach in waiting. Leavitt's resume would make him a more obvious choice for KSU: He's a former Wildcat assistant, he essentially built the USF program from scratch, and while he's had his share of scandal, his on-field track record is excellent. Snyder would have none of it, not because Leavitt is unqualified or deficient, but because his name isn't Snyder. Of course, there is another former Kansas State assistant on the market who has called plenty of plays and won a few more games than Sean Snyder. Again, there is no sign that Snyder would allow Bret Bielema to take over should he step aside. On Signing Day last week, Snyder was noncommittal about his future, clearly indicating that he'll wait until the coaching carousel has stopped long enough that Kansas State would have no choice but to promote Sean.
LHC LHC Bill Snyder announced Wednesday he is a definite maybe to be back at Kansas State next season.
In other words, a continuing example of how not to run a college football program on National Signing Day. Or perhaps more accurately -- a textbook example of how to take out that same program at the knees.
"I'm in the process [of deciding]," Snyder told reporters. "It will be a little bit."
The guess here is that Snyder -- the game's oldest coach -- absolutely knows whether he is coming back for a 27th season. But for reasons both petty and stubborn, he's stringing out his announcement.
Better for his agenda. Bad for K-State football. Really bad.
I'm not saying this is Iowa's situation. For one, Brian Ferentz has now called some plays. For another, Brian Ferentz did coach somewhere else for at least a few years. But there is little doubt that Kirk Ferentz has the same unbreakable bargaining position as LHC LHC Bill Snyder -- Ferentz's created more by contract than reputation, but that contract was built on twenty years of stability and success -- and the same end goal. Frankly, the same candidates at Kansas State would likely be in play at Iowa; both Leavitt and Bielema have ties to the program, though Leavitt's are obviously not as pronounced as having a Tiger Hawk tattoo.
I asked Twitter one day earlier this month if it would be OK with Ferentz retiring in January if it meant Brian Ferentz got the job:
The most common response was something like "Sure, because at least he could be fired if he was unsuccessful." And that seems to be where Kansas State is headed at some point in the next few years, a move not toward the best candidate but toward some semblance of accountability from a coach for the first time in years. And man, that's an uninspired reason to make a hire. But watch KSU closely over the next few weeks (and, if Snyder doesn't leave, the next few years), because it could be a look at our future.
https://www.goiowaawesome.com/iowa-hawkeyes-news/2017/12/2473/its-not-plagiarism-if-you-link-to-it-is-in-waiting
He's not wrong
Yes he is wrong. Snyder's AA season was 1992, not 1993.
Post by: The Big Train on January 18, 2018, 07:27:34 AM
Post by: KITNfury on January 18, 2018, 07:32:52 AM
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 18, 2018, 09:31:00 AM
I'm lucky to not have someone close to me commit suicide and can only imagine the wreckage it leaves with close friends and family.
as someone who had a sibling do it, it is something you think about every day. It is really the worst, knowing that it was a decision someone made and not an accident or unavoidable illness. :cry:
Post by: MadCat on January 18, 2018, 09:35:04 AM
I'm lucky to not have someone close to me commit suicide and can only imagine the wreckage it leaves with close friends and family.
as someone who had a sibling do it, it is something you think about every day. It is really the worst, knowing that it was a decision someone made and not an accident or unavoidable illness. :cry:
OMG, sorry to hear that Mikeyis4dcats :frown:
Post by: KITNfury on January 18, 2018, 10:29:50 AM
Very sorry to hear that, man. In my youth I battled depression for several years and contemplated suicide often (daily). FWIW, your sibling simply could not see through the cloud of depression, and probably thought it would never end. I hope you don't blame yourself in any way, it's difficult to know where suicidal people are emotionally unless you've been there before. I don't know how to make it better until people are more willing to talk about their feelings. Most people hide those demons. :(I'm lucky to not have someone close to me commit suicide and can only imagine the wreckage it leaves with close friends and family.
as someone who had a sibling do it, it is something you think about every day. It is really the worst, knowing that it was a decision someone made and not an accident or unavoidable illness. :cry:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 18, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Same. http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40143.0Very sorry to hear that, man. In my youth I battled depression for several years and contemplated suicide often (daily). FWIW, your sibling simply could not see through the cloud of depression, and probably thought it would never end. I hope you don't blame yourself in any way, it's difficult to know where suicidal people are emotionally unless you've been there before. I don't know how to make it better until people are more willing to talk about their feelings. Most people hide those demons. :(I'm lucky to not have someone close to me commit suicide and can only imagine the wreckage it leaves with close friends and family.
as someone who had a sibling do it, it is something you think about every day. It is really the worst, knowing that it was a decision someone made and not an accident or unavoidable illness. :cry:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 18, 2018, 10:44:35 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 18, 2018, 11:01:52 AM
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Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 07, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
I wrote Sean Snyder a brief email after he lost his son, and he did sent a thoughtful response. He seems to have Bill's penchant for writing well-considered notes.
I suppose this fits the pro-Sean talking point on consistency. Aren't we destined to have Sean for some period of time; it is the most likely outcome, right?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 07, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
At this point I say Sean is most definitely our next coach.I wrote Sean Snyder a brief email after he lost his son, and he did sent a thoughtful response. He seems to have Bill's penchant for writing well-considered notes.
I suppose this fits the pro-Sean talking point on consistency. Aren't we destined to have Sean for some period of time; it is the most likely outcome, right?
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