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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: ksufearless on April 03, 2018, 03:37:22 PM
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https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/us-marshals-arrest-k-state-basketball-player
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thats pretty cool
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Go big or go home
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MCMW?
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#TheRightWay
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https://twitter.com/Ian__Cummings/status/981278859441135618
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:Wha:
Kind of a mean way to free up a scholarship space.
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Its pretty normal for US Marshals to get involved with basic fleeing type cases, right?
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Its pretty normal for US Marshals to get involved with basic fleeing type cases, right?
Yep. See The Fugitive starring Harrison Ford.
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wainwright would never have the stones to jump off of the dam
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Maybe he would if he didn't really kill his wife.
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:Wha:
Kind of a mean way to free up a scholarship space.
gE post of the day.
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i’m going to camp out on the tuttle creek dam to see if wainwright jumps
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oscar you sly dog you.
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oscar you sly dog you.
anonymous tip suggested they reopen the case :surprised:
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oscar probably heard him bragging about it in the locker room. Anyways, thanks Wainright for that rebound and free throw in Kentucky game. I'll always cherish that.
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Is it bad I have been waiting and looking for his mugshot? Hahahaha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/88471eb1d763380ce08e966c8d5c47a3.jpg)
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Is it bad I have been waiting and looking for his mugshot? Hahahaha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/88471eb1d763380ce08e966c8d5c47a3.jpg)
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if you are looking for an honest answer to your question, then yes of course it's bad that you've been sitting around and waiting for this. idk what kind of sick f you are but I suggest counseling.
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Is it bad I have been waiting and looking for his mugshot? Hahahaha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/88471eb1d763380ce08e966c8d5c47a3.jpg)
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What the eff is funny, Greg?
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Is it bad I have been waiting and looking for his mugshot? Hahahaha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/88471eb1d763380ce08e966c8d5c47a3.jpg)
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What the eff is funny, Greg?
Mugshots duh!
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Best sports mugshot of all time? Definitely Tiger Woods.
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hey, here's a kstater that is going to get a mugshot! sure can't wait to sit around and lol at it! :flush:
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lighten up guys.
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lighten up guys.
Bunch of butthurt nancies.
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Sheesh.
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Greg has his own agenda.
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At least he wasn't smiling like this douche eff(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/f317f9ba2c761b3ac12d91f47acae330.jpg)
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nothing as funny as a photo of what’s probably the worst day of this dude’s life lmao!
hey wainwright you’re hilarious bro!
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What a someone who makes me uncomfortable culture we've turned into these days. Sad.
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Hey guys, one of the only college kids left on gE that posts wants to look at a mugshot, let's get him!!! :shakesfist:
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LOL idk what to tell you guys, mugshots are funny and if he didn't want to be in this situation then don't put yourself in this situation. :excited:
I can pull up threads where Jevon has been trashed for recent events. goEMAW land of hypocrisy. :horrorsurprise:
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LOL idk what to tell you guys, mugshots are funny and if he didn't want to be in this situation then don't put yourself in this situation. :excited:
I can pull up threads where Jevon has been trashed for recent events. goEMAW land of hypocrisy. :horrorsurprise:
Just matters what side of the bed some of these geriatrics wake up on that day, bud.
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I think the worst day of his life was when his passenger was shooting a firearm at motorists who made him angry on a busy highway where there are lots of kids and then he fled, not the day he actually got caught for it. Or at least I sure as eff hope that is a worse day
Now he can defend himself against these allegations if they are false. Would be nice to actually catch the guy who thinks its fine to discharge a pistol into cars, on the highway where my kids travel, because of a traffic dispute. maybe this Cat hero can help us?
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well said. :crossfingers:
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goEMAW land of hypocrisy. :horrorsurprise:
This Wainwright situation has produced a much better example of hypocrisy than anything on gE.
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I think the worst day of his life was when his passenger was shooting a firearm at motorists who made him angry on a busy highway where there are lots of kids and then he fled, not the day he actually got caught for it. Or at least I sure as eff hope that is a worse day
Now he can defend himself against these allegations if they are false. Would be nice to actually catch the guy who thinks its fine to discharge a pistol into cars, on the highway where my kids travel, because of a traffic dispute. maybe this Cat hero can help us?
Ammad is the HERO gotham needs!
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goEMAW land of hypocrisy. :horrorsurprise:
This Wainwright situation has produced a much better example of hypocrisy than anything on gE.
Still not involved with the FBI though, #AskFran :cheers:
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And I hope Wainright didn't do anything wrong and is exonerated
but giving his mugshot a lol on gE is really pretty benign imo
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
as someone said, this is how its done in Lawrence.
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“We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
:impatient:
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LOL idk what to tell you guys, mugshots are funny and if he didn't want to be in this situation then don't put yourself in this situation. :excited:
I can pull up threads where Jevon has been trashed for recent events. goEMAW land of hypocrisy. :horrorsurprise:
Just matters what side of the bed some of these geriatrics wake up on that day, bud.
here's a thought you m'fing morons...if you can pull up a mugshot of Jevon where I said anything remotely similar, then i'll apologize. if not then maybe we can act like adults and assume that some of us have different opinions than others and its OK to debate it and my opinion is not GEland or GEhypocrisy or GEwhatever. i can think you are a weirdo on my own account. post away by all means. thoughts?
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You do you, doc! :cheers:
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Basketball board got all Joe Birther pit-y real quick now didn't it? :curse: :lol:
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Basketball board got all Joe Birther pit-y real quick now didn't it? :curse: :lol:
Don't be a knob Greg.
Everyone is entitled to have different opinions about this as the doc said.
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i don't have a problem with lol'ing at mugshots, but this particular mugshot is like not funny at all...? idk
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“We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status if we need his scholarship.”
the moral stance of my beloved alma mater is simply disgusting. how shameful.
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the good news is AW can help crack this crime open
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You do you, doc! :cheers:
the hypocrisy though? care to back that up?
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I think I was being called a hypocrite at some point...even though I know I am not and if someone wants to make a silly joke about his mugshot on a snarky website then I don't see it as a big deal. Or any deal
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I can be a hypocrite. We all can be. We all have been. Sorry. I'll do better. I'm cheering for my guy, Amaad. I'm just happy i'm not a public figure. Although I have had my crap out there before for being a dumbass.
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You do you, doc! :cheers:
the hypocrisy though? care to back that up?
They can't, they won't. They're acting like it's the entire board instead of just @ing the two posters who took exception. They also know that neither of us mocked Jevon Thomas. I don't even know what the hell they are even referring to.
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I am now completely lost. I will just show myself out
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Greg, this would have been a perfect fit in Wacky's World.
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You do you, doc! :cheers:
the hypocrisy though? care to back that up?
I don't understand why everyone is so damned personal all of sudden, anything to get a rise out of the serious people. :bawl:
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Hey MIR, get over yourself and look at my post above. I'll follow you 'stone. :buh-bye:
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This board can be dead serious, or just complete bbs. I apparently need to come back in the afternoon, so i don't offend as many people. :Crybaby:
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I think I was being called a hypocrite at some point...even though I know I am not and if someone wants to make a silly joke about his mugshot on a snarky website then I don't see it as a big deal. Or any deal
Ironically, the hypocrisy now isn't about whether or not anyone has laughed at a mugshot or not. The hypocrisy is now about wacky overreacting about people taking exception to Greg's post as Greg acting like he wasn't going for a reaction when he posted it. Should we not point out things we disagree with on a message board?
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This board can be dead serious, or just complete bbs. I apparently need to come back in the afternoon, so i don't offend as many people. :Crybaby:
Or you can come back when you're ready to not act like a whiny bitch when people don't suck your dick when you're trying to be funny. :dunno:
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I think I was being called a hypocrite at some point...even though I know I am not and if someone wants to make a silly joke about his mugshot on a snarky website then I don't see it as a big deal. Or any deal
Ironically, the hypocrisy now isn't about whether or not anyone has laughed at a mugshot or not. The hypocrisy is now about wacky overreacting about people taking exception to Greg's post as Greg acting like he wasn't going for a reaction when he posted it. Should we not point out things we disagree with on a message board?
The moving hypocrisy target is a bit too challenging for me. greg, you are on your own to deal with the outrage
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This board can be dead serious, or just complete bbs. I apparently need to come back in the afternoon, so i don't offend as many people. :Crybaby:
Or you can come back when you're ready to not act like a whiny bitch when people don't suck your dick when you're trying to be funny. :dunno:
lol at what point was I whining MIR? :comehere:
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
oscar and Gene don't have sources within the feds. Thanks to the K-State fan in that office though for letting this sit until the season was over, he had some key moments down the stretch.
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hinky
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This board can be dead serious, or just complete bbs. I apparently need to come back in the afternoon, so i don't offend as many people. :Crybaby:
Greg, this is the part of your post in which you looked bad:
Is it bad I have been waiting and looking for his mugshot? Hahahaha
If you were really waiting and looking for his mugshot, that's weird, for a number of reasons. If you only posted that as a line you thought would be funny to preface the photo, know that it wasn't funny (and not because it was offensive or whatever, it just wasn't funny).
If I was interested in the subject beyond how it again reinforces how unethical oscar/lowery are, I'd have maybe instead gone with doing an edit of the tobias/reno roster and putting the mugshot in for wainwright's pic and also doing something showing how a bunch of them are getting oscar'd.
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
oscar and Gene don't have sources within the feds. Thanks to the K-State fan in that office though for letting this sit until the season was over, he had some key moments down the stretch.
It def didn't require needing a source within the feds.
In situations like this, should the school take issue with the behavior or whether the LEOs and prosecutors feel they have enough evidence to win a case?
In other words, why is getting charged when the line is drawn*? He's innocent until proven guilty still, correct?
* rhetorical; obviously it's because Wainwright's season is over and now more scholarships are needed
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:blindfold:
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Don’t let them get you down, Gregg. MCMW is a foundational pillar of this blogsite.
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Our spunk got ejected yesterday. I hope Wainright gets things righted in his life. He will never be reinstated. Too bad. He was willing to do the dirty work. His spunk and effort gave the team grit and gumption which have been lacking in the past. I am not sure who will be our grinder next year.
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Know your audience Greg. Prior to becoming a doctor, gEs own Rick Daris was a police officer and as such he takes all matters of law enforcement v seriously.
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I’m going to irl fight 7 of you
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
oscar and Gene don't have sources within the feds. Thanks to the K-State fan in that office though for letting this sit until the season was over, he had some key moments down the stretch.
It def didn't require needing a source within the feds.
In situations like this, should the school take issue with the behavior or whether the LEOs and prosecutors feel they have enough evidence to win a case?
In other words, why is getting charged when the line is drawn*? He's innocent until proven guilty still, correct?
* rhetorical; obviously it's because Wainwright's season is over and now more scholarships are needed
This may be hypocritical of me because I'm excited for the transfers we're going to get. However, if Ahmad somehow gets exonerated or even pleads down to misdemeanors and doesn't get his scholarship back, I'll be the loudest anti-Brucer on here.They'll be nothing he can do to bring me back either. Same can be said if Kam gets Bruced, he won't get Bruced but some people think it may be a possibility; I'll be all the way out, always and forever.
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:blindfold:
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I’m going to irl fight 7 of you
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You have to start with the wild eyed pale dude who chokes people. If you take him out the rest of us will gladly be your bitch.
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I’m going to irl fight 7 of you
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You have to start with the wild eyed pale dude who chokes people. If you take him out the rest of us will gladly be your bitch.
Well that’s not ideal
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This may be hypocritical of me because I'm excited for the transfers we're going to get. However, if Ahmad somehow gets exonerated or even pleads down to misdemeanors and doesn't get his scholarship back, I'll be the loudest anti-Brucer on here.They'll be nothing he can do to bring me back either. Same can be said if Kam gets Bruced, he won't get Bruced but some people think it may be a possibility; I'll be all the way out, always and forever.
I'm curious for how this will be handled too. I would hate to see Wainwright lose his scholarship due to some bullshit but I would struggle to see someone else get theirs pulled as we hold one for Wainwright's situation to get figured out.
I guess I would hope that, unless it is resolved quickly, they pull Wainwrights for another transfer. Provided he is not guilty or the final charges are not egregious, he is offered a scholarship to finish his degree though not necessarily a spot on the team. That still could leave him in a shitty position but at least K-State would honor the education he was offered.
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Have they arrested the guy who did the shooting?
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If the US Marshalls were sent to get him, I'm guessing it's more likely he committed a very serious crime (eg Drug Trafficking) than he gets exonerated.
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Lot of folks 'round here sure are jumping the gun in the whole "due process" thing
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“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
as someone said, this is how its done in Lawrence.
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If the US Marshalls were sent to get him, I'm guessing it's more likely he committed a very serious crime (eg Drug Trafficking) than he gets exonerated.
The charges have already been announced bud.
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Have they arrested the guy who did the shooting?
Shouldn't we assume the shooter was the snitch?
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Have they arrested the guy who did the shooting?
Shouldn't we assume the shooter was the snitch?
Have they arrested the guy who did the shooting?
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Maybe K-State is hiding that story too. :frown:
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hopefully our guy beats this bum wrap.
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Maybe K-State is hiding that story too. :frown:
I bet K-State masterminded this whole thing from the get go. Hire Huggins. Then Hire assistant death bed Frank, then Currie, eff Jamar, fire Frank, hire oscar, win a conference 'ship, "suck again", make a run and clear our 9th player off the bench & make a run, and then MCMW's this bitch by tipping him off. Case closed, folks! Screw your compliance smack talk, dipshits! - Game. Set. Match. #Kstate :clap:
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:Wha:
The foresight into a decades long scheme is almost complete.
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Pretty impressive if you think about it.
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It really is. Multiple administrations, multiple AD’s, many different staffing entities. The one thing that holds it all together tho is K-State. That single cerebral entity pulled it off. Incredible.
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I’m going to irl fight 7 of you
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You have to start with the wild eyed pale dude who chokes people. If you take him out the rest of us will gladly be your bitch.
you have to beat him in arm wrestling though
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Trim is a beast for sure.
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What if Claws was the shooter? :horrorsurprise:
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article208011619.html#storylink=twt_staff
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LOL at Barr's mugshot
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LOL at Barr's mugshot
:lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/982002030477824001
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/982002030477824001
Canco the burgers at the JCJ are not too bad.
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article208011619.html#storylink=twt_staff
Dang they both wearing the same jersey. Not good to be on the same team as Barr.
Team? ????
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/982002030477824001
Canco the burgers at the JCJ are not too bad.
:sdeek:
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Did we fork over the 50K to get him out?
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Did we fork over the 50K to get him out?
Your mom did
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:pray:
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/982002030477824001
Canco the burgers at the JCJ are not too bad.
:lol:
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Heh, not cool! :shakesfist:
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Pretty disgusting to see MIR join in on making fun of one of our K-State'rs enjoying a burger at the Johnson County Jail. It's like he doesn't even care about Wainwright. Sad, really.
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How dare MIR laugh and have fun on this site. Sickening.
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Did you guys know someone had to process that meat? Probably under paid too. What an incentive bad person. Smgdh.
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oscar Weber allowed a player that went on a highway shooting spree to continue to play on his basketball team without even blinking an eye. Bill Self is blushing at this disregard for human life that oscar Weber is ok with. oscar Weber also let 1 of his Illinois players drive and crash drunk and leave his teammate for dead while he covered it up for him.
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Holy crap. Yes plz!
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I laughed because it was actually funny. Is this a complicated concept?
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oscar Weber allowed a player that went on a highway shooting spree to continue to play on his basketball team without even blinking an eye. Bill Self is blushing at this disregard for human life that oscar Weber is ok with. oscar Weber also let 1 of his Illinois players drive and crash drunk and leave his teammate for dead while he covered it up for him.
Where have you been since the elite 8 run, ole friend?
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I laughed because it was actually funny. Is this a complicated concept?
Disgusting, bud.
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I laughed because it was actually funny. Is this a complicated concept?
Disgusting, bud.
Don't steal my thunder WC8.
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:D
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Did you guys know someone had to process that meat? Probably under paid too. What an incentive bad person. Smgdh.
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This is a fantastic wackyism
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hey wacks, head back down to wackyworld bud!
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/982002030477824001
Canco the burgers at the JCJ are not too bad.
lol
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We should have just told Wainwright to transfer quietly over spring break.
I'll have no respect for Weber being a party to dirty deeds until 5 sexual assault witnesses disappear.
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/983902813330829312
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/984868391726051328
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/984868391726051328
Well, we needed to clear up some scholarship slots... so I guess this works
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How large is the group of K-State family that supported him through this process?
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Is he talking work release from prison?
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If released, he should walk on at KU. He can be their token criminal instead of a stealth shoe crook.
If not, prison team star.
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article209219954.html
Pretty unreal he got to play the rest of the season
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article209219954.html
Pretty unreal he got to play the rest of the season
No it's not. oscar is a sack of crap
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
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Man, that was right by my house. Pretty crazy stuff. What a dumbass.
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
There is a good chance they knew none of these details as the investigation was taking place. They suspended him as soon as he was detained and the media now is just getting accounts of what happened.
Can't blame anyone for not taking action when nothing is known of the situation.
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
There is a good chance they knew none of these details as the investigation was taking place. They suspended him as soon as he was detained and the media now is just getting accounts of what happened.
Can't blame anyone for not taking action when nothing is known of the situation.
I really don't think the chances are that good that he told the police more than he told his coach.
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Dean, don't respond to ppl who are lumping this with oscar. They're gE'ing you.
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
There is a good chance they knew none of these details as the investigation was taking place. They suspended him as soon as he was detained and the media now is just getting accounts of what happened.
Can't blame anyone for not taking action when nothing is known of the situation.
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Don't care, if we got some mileage out of him knowing what happened kudos to oscar and Gene
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doesn't feel right to accept the Elite 8 trophy anymore
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
There is a good chance they knew none of these details as the investigation was taking place. They suspended him as soon as he was detained and the media now is just getting accounts of what happened.
Can't blame anyone for not taking action when nothing is known of the situation.
“We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
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“We are aware of Amaad’s situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy. We take matters such as these very seriously and will re-evaluate his status as we learn more information.”
That first official statement is from early February, after the incident became known to the public and after Wainwright had told KSU's cops his side of things being that he "sped off and ran from the police after he was stopped on Jan. 17 and went home after he got away."
KSU knew what had happened. They allowed him to stay based on his not having been charged yet.
Conveniently, he wasn't charged until the season concluded and roster spots needed to be opened.
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oscar being a little more like bill self is the only positive of this story
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oscar absolutely deserves a lot of flack for this. Eluding cops following a shooting was admitted to months ago and is not something that should be glossed over. This isn't some victimless weed crime.
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Wainright should have hired a damn lawyer
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Wainright should have hired a damn lawyer
Definitely. I don't understand the point of running if you're just going to admit to it later.
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oscar looks as dirty as Tom Osborne. :frown:
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the dude was a non factor for us. king oscar may be the dirtiest son of a bitch this side of the pecos but he’s not going out on a limb for this loser to ride the pine and contribute 3 pts a game.
i’m going to just assume that weber was too dumb to realize what was going on around him to take any real action against this player.
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another likely scenario is that oscar tried to kick wainwright off of the team but wainwright ran away and king oscar just couldn’t catch him. later that day, king oscar forgot all about it.
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not geing even slightly - i am proud to not have supported this team. that account is horrendous and there is no possible justification for allowing him to have continued on as part of the team.
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Propa to the JoCo sheriff for tracking down a known fugitive in just a shade under 3 months. That's some whiz bang sleuthing that only the taxpayers of JoCo can afford
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I remember when this board was staunchly pro MCMW.... sad to see the pussification come full circle.
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not geing even slightly - i am proud to not have supported this team. that account is horrendous and there is no possible justification for allowing him to have continued on as part of the team.
More personal growth? Bravo :clap: you've come from posts like this
yeah, i've never heard even a single person say that too many cops were being killed.
"When a cop shows up, I don't care if it is your house, you're not the one in charge"
Altered(possibly destroyed) evidence. Lied on the formal report. No discipline noted on his record. Full pension. Not fired.
Allowed to retire.
Just absolutely amazing.
the only thing amazing about it is that you're amazed. have none of you people ever actually interacted with cops?
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.
What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning. This is accelerating, not slowing. Cops don't get that yet? Cities/Munis don't get that yet? That is amazing.
everyone needs a camera/phone. it's your only protection.
they've had a long, long, long time of it's your word against mine. it will take time, but eventually they will adjust.
To leading an outrage parade against someone who chose to run from the cops. Very impressive growth
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Pretty crazy that we still let him play but again he wasn't charged with anything at the time. Old school Currie would have kicked him out so I'm considering all of this a positive. Go catszz.
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Disgusting behavior by the Gene Taylor-oscar Weber led thug patrol who are doing their their best to walk a mile in Dave Bliss' shoes. What a shitstain program we have become under the leadership of those 2 sacks of crap
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I'm probably misremembering, but didn't Wainright initially deny that he was in the car?
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Look at the MCMW's anti-Weber'ers trying to make this a deal. :love:
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Look at the anti-Weber'ers trying to make this a deal. :love:
Maybe he can get some players to kidnap and rape some children while he's at it, perhaps gun down and hang a few minorities while they are at it and really give you trumpsters a boner for his brand of basketball :driving:
Anyone that supports what happened here is a huge pile of crap, but I'm not surprised
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#Life, have you seen how shitty Sams rap videos have been of late? Yikes!
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#Life, have you seen how shitty Sams rap videos have been of late? Yikes!
Nope. Been too busy watching known sack of crap oscar Weber cover up felonies
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:lol:
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:lol:
How about you defend what this disgusting piece of crap covered up rather than use an emoji because you think it's perfectly fine for known sack of crap oscar Weber to have his players driving down the interstate shooting people
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:love: :driving:
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I'm probably misremembering, but didn't Wainright initially deny that he was in the car?
Seems not.
Wainright is listed as the driver on the investigation page of the report.
The February report of his involvement is definitely vague, though.
His involvement in the incident is unclear. To his knowledge, Lacy said Overland Park police have not interviewed Wainright.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article198562424.html
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It's all very bizarre
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It's nice to see that K-State has an in with the Kansas Police Department for once. This could be very beneficiary moving forward.
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lol what is this?
Wainright did not play in K-State’s win over TCU on Jan. 20, three days after the incident. After the game, Weber said it was because other players earned the minutes.
On Tuesday, Weber admitted it could have been because of a suspension.
“Obviously the timeline would look like that, I guess,” Weber said. “Yes.”
Wainright, who is from Kansas City, has logged at least four minutes in every other game this season.
http://themercury.com/k_state_sports/weber-expects-wainright-to-travel-with-team-to-texas/article_57d6e45b-8acc-538c-8c69-63870f1d4acb.html
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Liar and crap human being. Art Briles of the hardwood
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To leading an outrage parade against someone who chose to run from the cops. Very impressive growth
he helped another man shoot a gun into an occupied vehicle, mir.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
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"If you hang out with turds you will probably end up smelling like one."
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
Exactly. Didn’t Daniel Sams find himself in a similar situation driving a getaway car after an unplanned murder? I think he certainly is guilty of hanging out with a shithead but I’m pretty sure we all have at one point in our life.
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i have not hung out with anyone that has fired a gun at someone, for the record
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.
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It's nice to see that K-State has an in with the Kansas Police Department for once. This could be very beneficiary moving forward.
What’s that mean?
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For them not to come after Wainright until after the Tournament was done was very generous of them. I'm sure they knew before. oscar! :thumbs: :cheers:
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did not know about the KPD
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
There is a good chance they knew none of these details as the investigation was taking place. They suspended him as soon as he was detained and the media now is just getting accounts of what happened.
Can't blame anyone for not taking action when nothing is known of the situation.
I really don't think the chances are that good that he told the police more than he told his coach.
You have a lot of faith in oscar’s interrogation skills.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
I think it’s debatable whether immediately stopping the car in that scenario shows good or bad judgment considering the dude with a loaded gun right next to you was already pissed enough to shoot at a stranger.
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Order of culpability:
1. Shooter - for shooting
2. Wainwright- for fleeing the scene after being pulled over and possibly contributing in the first place
3. Police - for taking a long ass time to charge the guy with what seems (especially now) to have been pretty obvious connections
4. oscar - for not cracking the case mid-season after the police investigation stalled
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
I think it’s debatable whether immediately stopping the car in that scenario shows good or bad judgment considering the dude with a loaded gun right next to you was already pissed enough to shoot at a stranger.
Yeah, drive the guy wherever he wants to go and then turn him in to the cops. When you fail to turn him in, you are part of the crime.
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I'm never telling a black person that they should call the police.
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Yeah, drive the guy wherever he wants to go and then turn him in to the cops. When you fail to turn him in, you are part of the crime.
I agree that would be the best course of action, but it’s not hard to imagine how he justified himself keeping quiet:
1. Hey, we might get away with it
2. It was only property damage
3. If he gets arrested, they’re gonna ask me to testify against him
4. He’s not gonna go to jail for life and he’ll definitely want to beat my ass when it’s over
5. Even if I turn myself in, I could easily get kicked off the team
So I agree with one of the above posters. If he was on board before the incident he deserves to be charged as an accomplice. If not, I’d probably just stick to the fleeing the scene/obstruction charge and leave it at that. Would not be surprised if he just pleaded guilty to that (maybe he has already?).
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Order of culpability:
1. Shooter - for shooting
2. Wainwright- for fleeing the scene after being pulled over and possibly contributing in the first place
3. Police - for taking a long ass time to charge the guy with what seems (especially now) to have been pretty obvious connections
4. oscar - for not cracking the case mid-season after the police investigation stalled
That's great and all but according to the law the getaway driver gets charged with the exact same crime as the person they are driving who committed the crime, so
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there is absolutely no way that wainright got out of the lane he was in and pulled up next to the car that had hit the brakes in front of him without having an idea that his passenger was preparing to do something untoward. it's simply not realistic.
maybe he thought the dude was just going to brandish the gun, or something short of actually firing into the vehicle. but the idea that he was just peacefully continuing on with his commute, presumably not even realizing he had pulled up alongside the car that had enraged his passenger (when is a passenger road enraged while the driver is not?) and suddenly his passenger whipped out a gun is preposterous.
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Maybe Wainright just wanted to stare them down. Or give them the finger eye to eye. Or some other chest puffing type of activity to demonstrate exactly how mad he was. People aggressively confront each other all the time without guns getting fired.
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Maybe Wainright just wanted to stare them down. Or give them the finger eye to eye. Or some other chest puffing type of activity to demonstrate exactly how mad he was.
that sounds like something that cannot be completely dismissed as out of the realm of possibility, in theory.
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To leading an outrage parade against someone who chose to run from the cops. Very impressive growth
he helped another man shoot a gun into an occupied vehicle, mir.
You're making a leap that the authorities, armed with more information than us, didn't make.
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oscar should be fired for cause here, honestly. Probably Gene, too.
Did I miss a further explanation of this? It's patently ridiculous.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.
I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
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I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
That maybe a way not to get caught, sure, but I don't think that's the point. He was the driver when somebody shot at another car and eluded police at 100 mph. That's a crime and should be treated as such by both the police and K-State. There are reasons why he might not feel safe around police, but the alternative can't be just to get away with crimes.
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Sounds like according to MIR, Wainright's only real crime was being black. :frown:
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.
I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
For all you would know, there could be a dead toddler in the car your friend just shot into. Are you really not going to turn him in?
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White ppl made that person shoot that gun, rage. Idiot. Not his problem. Don't let the man get you down.
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They’re lucky the car didn’t blow up in a big fireball like when you shoot them in video games.
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Would be interested to hear from our resident lawyers and spracne if they think he will do time.
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(Not gE-ing) If he were white, I think the odds are zero. I still think the odds are low given how little damage was actually caused.
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The fact we're discussing race at all in this matter is rediculous.
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We're talking about how people interact with police officers and how they are treated in the justice system. I don't know what to tell you if you think race does not play a factor in either of those.
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It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.
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You're making a leap that the authorities, armed with more information than us, didn't make.
correct. i am not a court of law, nor is the kstate men's bball program.
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It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.
I have not seen a single person ITT saying he should not be punished.
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It has nothing to do with him breaking the law. Stop acting like he's the victim. Take it to the pit.
It could have a lot to do with him fleeing police
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:lol:
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He fled the police because he didn't want to get caught. Just stop already. :ROFL:
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He fled the police because he didn't want to get caught. Just stop already. :ROFL:
:rollseyes:
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I understand the police vs BLM agenda and it's totally relevant to discuss downstairs. Truth is, Wainwright was an accessory to a potential murder attempt, he fled, and here we are discussing that because of his skin color, "that's why he fled". I know it's 2018, ppl are over the top about this crap, but that take shows the lowest IQ take of all time. A bullet entered another car from said vehicle. I would hope the cops would be aggressive about a said case without knowing the details. White trash Independence guy would be persued the same way.
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I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
That maybe a way not to get caught, sure, but I don't think that's the point. He was the driver when somebody shot at another car and eluded police at 100 mph. That's a crime and should be treated as such by both the police and K-State. There are reasons why he might not feel safe around police, but the alternative can't be just to get away with crimes.
My point isn't about getting caught or not caught either, just pointing out how it may not be nearly as easy as diming out your buddy for putting gum a girl's hair in fourth grade.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.
I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
For all you would know, there could be a dead toddler in the car your friend just shot into. Are you really not going to turn him in?
If I thought I was going to lose everything for something someone else did? Hell no.
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Sounds like according to MIR, Wainright's only real crime was being black. :frown:
White ppl made that person shoot that gun, rage. Idiot. Not his problem. Don't let the man get you down.
The fact we're discussing race at all in this matter is rediculous.
I didn't come anywhere close to listing race as a factor, white people can absolutely be afraid and skeptical of the authorities. You need to figure out why you made race an issue because I didn't.
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You're making a leap that the authorities, armed with more information than us, didn't make.
correct. i am not a court of law, nor is the kstate men's bball program.
Right, I'm not sure why you're telling me that. You are the one who is holding oscar Weber and Gene Taylor to a higher standard than the Overland Park Police Department and the damn US Marshals. If you think they had knowledge that these charges were impending, and still decided to keep a 13 minute 2 points per game player around you clearly have an agenda. What's the upside in that?
If you think they had enough information to suspend him, maybe you should direct the outrage to the people who allowed a fugitive to continue to be a danger to the community. This is very clearly all about oscar for you, it's laughable to even pretend otherwise.
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We can fire oscar, though. Good luck firing cops.
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Right, I'm not sure why you're telling me that.
because i don't believe there was enough information provided in the article for me to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that wainright knowingly aided and abetted the shooter. but there was more than enough for me to conclude that it was more likely than not that he did and thus judge him as a piece of crap human and the kstate men's bball program as ethically lacking for continuing their relationship with him.
i find it incomprehensible that you and everyone else in this thread focuses on what wainright did after the shooting. whether and how he eluded the police after the fact is about .00001x as ethically important as the question of whether he knowingly participated in the shooting.
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I don't think we got our share of winning out of this criminal behavior, whatever it was.
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because i don't believe there was enough information provided in the article for me to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that wainright knowingly aided and abetted the shooter. but there was more than enough for me to conclude that it was more likely than not that he did and thus judge him as a piece of crap human and the kstate men's bball program as ethically lacking for continuing their relationship with him.
“We are aware of Ahmad’s [sic] situation, and due to the seriousness of the charges he has been indefinitely suspended from our men’s basketball team per athletic department policy," said Kansas State Director of Athletics Gene Taylor.
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indeed, catastrophe. as soon as the season ended, they took a hard stand.
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They took action once the US Marshals arrested him. It happened to be after the season. I doubt they knew it was going to happen and I also doubt they somehow encouraged all law enforcement agencies involved to wait until the season was over to do so. Were they supposed to sit him out after they knew he wasn't changed with anything? He sat right after it first happened, but after it looked like it was over and no charges were brought he played. It seems pretty simple to me.
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Someone get an extra long body bag!
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US Marshals are EMAW AF apparently
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Maybe they will arrest Weber and Taylor for aiding and abetting a fugitive. For example, if Weber had not kept Wainright on the bench so much, the Overland Park police might have found him sooner.
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Were they supposed to sit him out after they knew he wasn't changed with anything?
yes. there wasn't any additional information about his role in the shooting that came to light when he was charged, it was just a legal proceeding.
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You are equating speculation with information.
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You are equating speculation with information.
no i'm not.
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Were they supposed to sit him out after they knew he wasn't changed with anything?
yes. there wasn't any additional information about his role in the shooting that came to light when he was charged, it was just a legal proceeding.
Yeah, none of the facts changed. K-State knew it was a distinct possibility that he'd eventually be charged for his role in this situation. Which means they knew there was a good chance that he was guilty. Nothing has changed about the likelihood of his guilt since the day this news originally broke.
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To me, pretty much every judgement about this entirely hinges on whether or not Wainright knew his buddy would shoot at the car when he pulled alongside it. I'm not comfortable with assuming either of those.
To me, he became a getaway driver immediately after the shots were fired, making him complicit.
lol what would you do if you were driving the car?
I would have driven to wherever we were going and then called the cops immediately after it was safe to do so.
I'm 42 years old with clear judgment and no record and I absolutely would not have done that. I'm sorry but there is no way he has any reason to trust the criminal justice system to do what's just. Your and sys's reactions to this is enough to know that if he didn't know that dude was going to shoot up no one was going to believe him anyway. His best bet was to just drive off. His mistake was foolishly going to Oak Park Mall, here's where me being twice his age comes into play. I would have immediately driven my black ass back to Manhattan. Everyone in the car would have been dropped off at a bus stop in KCK. If he doesn't go to the mall and keeps that car in MHK until the school year is over, he likely never gets caught.
For all you would know, there could be a dead toddler in the car your friend just shot into. Are you really not going to turn him in?
If I thought I was going to lose everything for something someone else did? Hell no.
Wow dude.....
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If the US Marshalls were sent to get him, I'm guessing it's more likely he committed a very serious crime (eg Drug Trafficking) than he gets exonerated.
The charges have already been announced bud.
Looks like my presumption were correct, per usual
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Were they supposed to sit him out after they knew he wasn't changed with anything?
yes. there wasn't any additional information about his role in the shooting that came to light when he was charged, it was just a legal proceeding.
Yeah, none of the facts changed. K-State knew it was a distinct possibility that he'd eventually be charged for his role in this situation. Which means they knew there was a good chance that he was guilty. Nothing has changed about the likelihood of his guilt since the day this news originally broke.
What have you read that led you to state this as fact? I haven't read anything that indicates that they knew he was being tracked by US Marshals.
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If the US Marshalls were sent to get him, I'm guessing it's more likely he committed a very serious crime (eg Drug Trafficking) than he gets exonerated.
The charges have already been announced bud.
Looks like my presumption were correct, per usual
Wait, what? You posted that after his charges were made public and unless I missed something, he hasn't been exonerated.
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What have you read that led you to state this as fact? I haven't read anything that indicates that they knew he was being tracked by US Marshals.
Obviously, we thought it was," Taylor said Tuesday before K-State's basketball banquet in Manhattan. "There were no charges when we first heard about it, so that's why we thought it was closed. Now he has been arrested, and department policy is that if you are arrested for a felony, you are indefinitely suspended. We found out he was arrested today, so we immediately suspended him."
"We were told that he was cooperating, and there weren't any charges at the time," Taylor said. "We went with the information that we had. Now that we have more information, obviously that he has been charged with a felony, our decision is to suspend him indefinitely.
taylor made it fairly clear that the change in his status following the end of the season was solely related to the charges, not to any new information about his actions. if kstate released a statement when wainright announced his intention to transfer, i haven't seen it.
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If the US Marshalls were sent to get him, I'm guessing it's more likely he committed a very serious crime (eg Drug Trafficking) than he gets exonerated.
The charges have already been announced bud.
Looks like my presumption were correct, per usual
wait....you do realize this was probably the US Marshals' warrant squad working a local warrant with city/county not an actual federal warrant right?
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What have you read that led you to state this as fact? I haven't read anything that indicates that they knew he was being tracked by US Marshals.
Obviously, we thought it was," Taylor said Tuesday before K-State's basketball banquet in Manhattan. "There were no charges when we first heard about it, so that's why we thought it was closed. Now he has been arrested, and department policy is that if you are arrested for a felony, you are indefinitely suspended. We found out he was arrested today, so we immediately suspended him."
"We were told that he was cooperating, and there weren't any charges at the time," Taylor said. "We went with the information that we had. Now that we have more information, obviously that he has been charged with a felony, our decision is to suspend him indefinitely.
taylor made it fairly clear that the change in his status following the end of the season was solely related to the charges, not to any new information about his actions. if kstate released a statement when wainright announced his intention to transfer, i haven't seen it.
We're going to keep going round and round on this so I'm not going to post on it again. Your position on this and interpretation of Gene's quotes all hinge upon K-State knowing what he did and then knowing there was still an open investigation. This quote in the February article leads me to believe that they didn't have a complete picture painted for them by either the Overland Park Police Department or Amaad himself:
On Monday night, K-State athletics released a statement that read: “Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved.”
Your stance hinges on them overly lying about this quote. You are completely dismissing the possibility that Amaad lied to them. It's pretty obvious that at the time OPPD didn't have all the evidence they needed either. It's completely plausible that they told K-State that his car was involved in a drive by shooting them Amaad told them that he loaned his car to his friend and he didn't know they did that. Then OPPD determined they needed to review the surveillance videos and eyewitness accounts to solidify that he was in fact the shooter.
You may be right about what they knew and when they knew it, but you absolutely do not have the facts, now as we know them, to be resolute about it. You being firmly planted on your high horse about this, a stance you seemingly don't take on anything at all, is completely agenda driven.
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KSU's rationale for not taking further action was almost simultaneously shot down:
So far, there have been no arrests in the case, but police say they are still working on it. The incident report shows the gunfire came from Kansas State basketball player Amaad Wainwright's car.
Wainwright had just come off a huge upset after the Wildcats beat Oklahoma in Manhattan the night before.
Wainwright is from Kansas City.
Overland Park police say they do know there was more than one person in Wainwright's car.
"We know there were two, and the reason I say that is because someone is driving the vehicle and the other person I guess the door opened a little bit and that's when the person shot at the victim's vehicle," Officer John Lacy said
K-State issued the following statement to KCTV5 News on Monday:
"We are aware of the situation involving Amaad Wainright. Amaad fully cooperated with authorities and was not charged. To our knowledge, this matter is resolved."
Police say they are still working on this case. At this point, Wainwright's involvement in the alleged crime is unclear.
Investigators say they want to hear from anyone who may have seen that alleged road rage incident happen to call them.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/37432138/k-states-amaad-wainwrights-car-may-be-linked-to-overland-park-road-rage-shooting
Knowing KSUPD's relationship w/kstatesports, it's hard to believe kstatesports didn't know all of this prior to deciding to let him keep playing and putting out that statement:
On Jan. 26, Overland Park police contacted the K-State Police Department. The affidavit says K-State police spoke with Wainright, who said he "sped off and ran from the police" after he was stopped Jan. 17 and went home after he got away.
The affidavit contains Wainright's account of the shooting. He said he was driving his car when a high school friend named Trevon Barr shot at another vehicle on I-435. Wainright said the other car had cut him off and slammed on the brakes in front of him. He said Barr was in the front right seat of his vehicle. Wainright said Barr told him that the other driver reached for something, so Barr pulled out a black pistol and fired a shot at the other car as Wainright drove beside it.
Wainright said there was a third passenger in the car, according to the affidavit. That person, who has not been charged, told police he did not see the gun, did not see Barr shoot at anyone and did not notice road rage.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article209219954.html
Kstatesports could've decided exactly what their statements imply, that until a player is charged and so long as there's a chance of getting away with something, he can keep playing. Or they could have known everything that happened or at least what Wainwright admitted to and decided that was cool for the time being.
When you know as much as it appears kstatesports (or if wanting to alleviate them of some responsibility, likely at least KSU from a security standpoint) did, it's pretty arbitrary to let "getting charged" be the determining factor on whether a roster spot is freed. Prosecutors routinely choose when and when not to charge for purely strategic reasons.
It'll probably be clearer once all the documentation can be seen rather than the snippets of stuff Kellis chose to put in an article.
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Agree with MIR that it’s a weird look for sys. But hey, none of us have enough facts to authoritatively say his presumptions are wrong, so crusade away.
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@Trim The question is how much circumstantial evidence is enough to suspend a player in anticipation of criminal charges being brought.
I totally get that people have differing views on this. IMO, a school has no obligation to sit a player during an investigation so long as the school and player are fully cooperative. Obviously other people feel differently: that even a chance of being charged with something is enough to sit them. But to act like either side has some kind of moral high ground is ridiculous. No one here was calling for oscar to turn Foster into the feds for smoking marijuana.
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@Trim The question is how much circumstantial evidence is enough to suspend a player in anticipation of criminal charges being brought.
I totally get that people have differing views on this. IMO, a school has no obligation to sit a player during an investigation so long as the school and player are fully cooperative. Obviously other people feel differently: that even a chance of being charged with something is enough to sit them. But to act like either side has some kind of moral high ground is ridiculous. No one here was calling for oscar to turn Foster into the feds for smoking marijuana.
I could understand waiting on the investigation if he were claiming that he was innocent. He told the campus police that he was driving the vehicle, his friend fired shots into another vehicle, and then he got into a high speed chase after a cop tried to talk to him about it. Are you saying K-State should have waited to see if the investigation found he actually didn't do all of what he said he did, or that what he said he did isn't enough that he should be kicked off the team?
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My hero is the third passenger who did not see anything at all, including any road rage.
Huh? Road rage? :dunno:
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@Trim The question is how much circumstantial evidence is enough to suspend a player in anticipation of criminal charges being brought.
From KSU's perspective, there was no circumstantial evidence. There was Wainwright's own statement to KSU's cops that he'd driving a car with his buddy as a passenger, that there'd been a driving dispute with another driver, that his passenger had shot at the other driver or his car, and that Wainwright had then sped off and ran from the police.
My point is that Wainwright's statement alone could've warranted the final decision on his playing status right then. It should've warranted KSU doing more digging, or at least not issuing a statement of "he's not charged, all good!"
KSU, maybe intentionally or maybe inadvertently, took advantage (twice!) of the timing of a criminal procedure that should've been irrelevant to their decision. Like I said pages ago, judging someone's character worthy of having a roster spot should involve examining what they actually did, not whether they got away with something or not.
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The question is how much information K-State got from the initial police investigation. I'm going to guess that Wainright wasn't completely forthcoming with the coaching staff about what happened. I'm pretty sure he and his friends didn't head out intending on some sort of drive by, but once it happened Wainright wasn't going to rat out his friends no matter what.
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The question is how much information K-State got from the initial police investigation. I'm going to guess that Wainright wasn't completely forthcoming with the coaching staff about what happened. I'm pretty sure he and his friends didn't head out intending on some sort of drive by, but once it happened Wainright wasn't going to rat out his friends no matter what.
He definitely wasn't completely forthcoming. We know that because we can see what he told KSU's cops (and that information certainly would've gone to KSU's athletics staff and basketball coaches) and we know that doesn't jive with having gone to the mall after escaping the highway.
However, what he's been charged with jives with what he himself admitted to. Even if the story is worse than what he's admitted to and what the prosecutors felt they could charge him with, nothing's changed from KSU's perspective as to what they 100% know Wainwright did.
In other words, they've decided that Wainwright, by his own admission in late January, had driven a car from which his buddy shot at another driver and car and that Wainwright had then sped away and fled police is cool, but that getting charged with it in April is not cool.
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My hero is the third passenger who did not see anything at all, including any road rage.
Huh? Road rage? :dunno:
yes. mystery 3rd person in back seat does not hear gun go off inside car he is riding in. nor notice cop chasing them as they speed down 435 at 100 mph. seems plausible.
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The third guy probably has narcolepsy or something.
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You guys have never gotten out of the backseat of a car and days later found out that while you were in the backseat a gun battle was waged by front seat occupants going 100MPH down the Interstate in the middle of a major metroplex?
SMDH, sheltered kids.
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good work in this thread, trim.
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We’ve come a long way from finding Jamar’s receipt in a trashcan to letting our bench players commit felonies and still play to beat Kentucky.
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Where can we see what Wainwright told the campus police? The article I read did not mention it.
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Where can we see what Wainwright told the campus police? The article I read did not mention it.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40448.msg1826881#msg1826881
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Ok so that was it. The article is pretty poorly written, especially here:
On Jan. 26, Overland Park police contacted the K-State Police Department. The affidavit says K-State police spoke with Wainright, who said he "sped off and ran from the police" after he was stopped Jan. 17 and went home after he got away.
So it says OP police contacted KSU PD on Jan. 26, but it doesn’t say when KSU PD spoke to Wainwright or whether that was the statement he gave the KSU PD or the statement he eventually gave after being arrested. I think that’s definitely part of the disconnect here.
I guess the reason I’m less inclined to read that the way sys and Trim read it (that OP talked to KSU PD who same day got a confession from Wainwright) is that it makes zero sense that the OP PD would take THAT long to actually move on the info and not at least try to get that in writing ASAP.
By all appearances that means they would have had a guy who as of Jan. 26 seemed to be willing to give them the information they needed to apprehend everyone involved. But instead they tell KSU sports they aren’t going to be pursuing any charges at the time?
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Holy eff.
The statement Wainwright gave to KSUPD took place after OPPD asked KSUPD on 1/26 to question him and before the story came out about the investigation and Wainwright's involvement and KSU saying that Wainwright had cooperated with authorities. That cooperation is KSUPD's interview of Wainwright.
The statement is not a statement he gave after being arrested. The statement was used in the affidavit that supported the filing of the case on 3/27, for which he was arrested on 3/28.
Perhaps you're unaware that it's common for arrests to happen after a case is filed, under the prosecutor's direction. Arresting prior to there being a case is usually when someone is caught in the act and/or could flee. Alternatively, when there's an investigation to be done, the cops will do that and present their findings to the prosecutor, who'll direct on what else can or should be done in order for the prosecutor to file the case at the ideal time.
It doesn't do any good for cops to arrest people during investigations without knowing if the prosecutor will actually file the case. The prosecutor's case is what defines what a defendant is charged with, not a cop's opinion.
The January cops did not and could not have told KSU charges wouldn't be pursued. KSU took advantage of Wainwright not having been charged yet in January while there were still minutes to be played and while the roster spot couldn't have been filled. In April, with no minutes to be played for months and players available to fill a roster spot, the procedural step of the criminal complaint being filed was when KSU chose to announce its intolerance for the alleged behavior and send Amaad on his way.
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Also, even as I typed that after figuring out my spelling error, I still spell it Wainwright. It took me a couple minutes to realize the reason I was having trouble pulling up the actual case info was because it's Wainright.
That spelling just doesn't look right. Or wright!
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I mean your last paragraph basically is a cream dream endorsement of Gene Taylor.
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I mean your last paragraph basically is a cream dream endorsement of Gene Taylor.
I suspect it was Lowery that was in charge of that whole sequence.
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because the mustang let him
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it was taylor's responsibility. whether or not he abdicated that responsibility to someone down the food chain doesn't matter.
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it was taylor's responsibility. whether or not he abdicated that responsibility to someone down the food chain doesn't matter.
sure it matters. people hated currie for being too involved, the mustang has chosen to ignore his players involvement in an attempted murder. for some, this should be celebrated
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This thread becomes more entertaining every time I open it.
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This thread becomes more entertaining every time I open it.
The gift that keeps on giving.
(Big fan of MCMW Gene Taylor FTR)
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The next step is the Mustang getting dudes cleared after this kind of thing.
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Holy eff.
The statement Wainwright gave to KSUPD took place after OPPD asked KSUPD on 1/26 to question him and before the story came out about the investigation and Wainwright's involvement and KSU saying that Wainwright had cooperated with authorities. That cooperation is KSUPD's interview of Wainwright.
The statement is not a statement he gave after being arrested. The statement was used in the affidavit that supported the filing of the case on 3/27, for which he was arrested on 3/28.
Perhaps you're unaware that it's common for arrests to happen after a case is filed, under the prosecutor's direction. Arresting prior to there being a case is usually when someone is caught in the act and/or could flee. Alternatively, when there's an investigation to be done, the cops will do that and present their findings to the prosecutor, who'll direct on what else can or should be done in order for the prosecutor to file the case at the ideal time.
It doesn't do any good for cops to arrest people during investigations without knowing if the prosecutor will actually file the case. The prosecutor's case is what defines what a defendant is charged with, not a cop's opinion.
The January cops did not and could not have told KSU charges wouldn't be pursued. KSU took advantage of Wainwright not having been charged yet in January while there were still minutes to be played and while the roster spot couldn't have been filled. In April, with no minutes to be played for months and players available to fill a roster spot, the procedural step of the criminal complaint being filed was when KSU chose to announce its intolerance for the alleged behavior and send Amaad on his way.
I hear you, and it's a plausible scenario. I just wanted to point out that there are other explanations for the same facts here. And honestly, no. I was not aware it was common for police to rely on the investigative efforts of campus PD who I guess also reports to Gene Taylor and/or oscar Weber?
Along the same lines, don't you think Wainright's flight risk would have gone up pretty substantially in the middle of the investigation had he been kicked off the team?
Also, I actually am interested to see the affidavit if you know where to find it, cause that article was crap.
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FWIW, the unethical thing done here was kicking Wainright off the team.
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If the OPPD took 3 months to file felony charges on a guy hiding in plain site on national television while in possession of a confession, that's on them. The OPPD is like the most overstaffed and overfunded PD in the world.
You don't get to claim the crime is heinous and the AD allowing him to play as outrageous, while explaining away the absence of any urgency exhibited by the prosecuting law enforcement body as "routine". That's asinine. goE dumbfuckery at its finest.
EDIT: It's difficult to tell, but a beautiful mind may be asserting the confession wasn't given until a day before charges were filed in late March, which makes the whole KSUAD knew in Jan because the KSUPD knew in Jan completely baseless (except for maybe colored yarn and thumbtacks)
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FWIW, the unethical thing done here was kicking Wainright off the team.
Nonsensical.
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@Trim The question is how much circumstantial evidence is enough to suspend a player in anticipation of criminal charges being brought.
I totally get that people have differing views on this. IMO, a school has no obligation to sit a player during an investigation so long as the school and player are fully cooperative. Obviously other people feel differently: that even a chance of being charged with something is enough to sit them. But to act like either side has some kind of moral high ground is ridiculous. No one here was calling for oscar to turn Foster into the feds for smoking marijuana.
I could understand waiting on the investigation if he were claiming that he was innocent. He told the campus police that he was driving the vehicle, his friend fired shots into another vehicle, and then he got into a high speed chase after a cop tried to talk to him about it. Are you saying K-State should have waited to see if the investigation found he actually didn't do all of what he said he did, or that what he said he did isn't enough that he should be kicked off the team?
I'd say a sworn confession would be sufficient to file charges (assuming the ksupd affidavit is real), but you know procedure and strategery most likely bogged down getting a dangerous felon off the streets of south joco.
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Indefinitely suspended = kicked off the team
In this hokie ksuad coverup to get a 2ppg guy on the floor for a completely unforeseeable E8 run.
It all makes sense if you connect the paraphrased news article together with yarn on a bulletin board in your mom's basement.
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What percentage of posters in this thread do you believe are irl nuts FSD?
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FWIW, the unethical thing done here was kicking Wainright off the team.
And now I’m really confused. It makes perfect sense to me that you would suspend a charged player pending the results of a criminal trial. It also makes sense that you would distinguish between players who have been formally accused and those who are only part of an ongoing investigation.
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:dubious: Do you know who you're talking to?
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FWIW, the unethical thing done here was kicking Wainright off the team.
And now I’m really confused. It makes perfect sense to me that you would suspend a charged player pending the results of a criminal trial. It also makes sense that you would distinguish between players who have been formally accused and those who are only part of an ongoing investigation.
KSU knew what he did because he admitted to it, at least in part. KSU was cool with what he did*. This has now moved along in the process to where the case is filed w/the corresponding charges. Only now, despite nothing having changed in KSU's understanding of what he did, has KSU decided to dismiss him*.
*coincidentally, when KSU still needed/wanted him on the team for basketball reasons
**coincidentally, when KSU wanted him off the team for basketball reasons
And despite being "formally accused," he's still innocent until proven guilty. If KSU is going to try to relate its basketball moves to criminal proceedings, maybe a conviction should be the trigger (ha!)?
What you should be taking away is that it's silly to base college sports roster spots on criminal proceedings, especially when the behavior that could potentially earn or has earned a criminal proceeding is known. If a coach or AD is going to be granting the privilege to be on a team based in part on character qualities, the behavior is what matters, not what one can get away with.
Pressure is on Lowery to get someone good now to fill the Wainright spot they created.
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I get what you’re saying, I just disagree there is anything problematic about it. There are 4 phases to stuff like this:
1. The story
2. Investigation
3. Charges / trial
4. Conviction / Acquittal
From an AD perspective, you could choose to draw a line at any of these phases in deciding how to treat players, regardless of what you think as far as the truth or falsity if the claims.
It seems pretty clear to me that the Mustang has drawn a red line at step 3 for all cases. You might disagree and think an AD should draw that line at steps 1, 2, or only 4, but I don’t have a problem with it personally.
In this case, the KSU AD sat Wainright once the story broke expecting that he might get charged. That didn’t happen, so he was not suspended. Once more information came out and charges were filed, Wainright was suspended pending a final judicial decision as whether or not he did anything wrong (which sure seems likely in this case). Again, I don’t see a problem with this process and I certainly don’t think it was unfairly applied to Wainright.
Your issue seems to come from the fact that you think the KSU AD should have done its own investigation independent of the police and made a preliminary determination as to Wainright’s culpability. I get that, and if that is what we did here I wouldn’t be complaining either. But as far as I can tell the Mustang is going with a process that defers completely to the discretion of law enforcement as far as likelihood of guilt, and that seems totally appropriate to me.
Obviously this all changes if there is ANY indication KSU had information that the OP PD did not and chose not to share that information. I just haven’t seen even a whiff of that in this case.
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But as far as I can tell the Mustang is going with a process that defers completely to the discretion of law enforcement as far as likelihood of guilt, and that seems totally appropriate to me.
As far as I can tell, the Mustang has authorized the coaches to defer completely to what suits their roster situation best.
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the mustang was hired to defer the entire athletic department to the team’s respective coaches and/or their sons/daughters
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oscar Weber's daughters really need to get in on this nepotism action.
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Would be nice if we had an AD and coaching staff that cared about public safety and innocent people's lives being affected by gunfire just minding their own business. Oh well I guess.
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What percentage of posters in this thread do you believe are irl nuts FSD?
I'd say ~15-25% are irl delusional and/or on the spectrum.
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oscar Weber's daughters really need to get in on this nepotism action.
i updated my post
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What percentage of posters in this thread do you believe are irl nuts FSD?
I'd say ~15-25% are irl delusional and/or on the spectrum.
yeah, that's about what I got.
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@ someone
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75-85% are huge oscar Weber aka Dave Bliss fans. Sad
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Would be nice if we had an AD and coaching staff that cared about public safety and innocent people's lives being affected by gunfire just minding their own business. well I guess.
They got his butt off of streets and made him play basketball.
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#freeamaad
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FWIW, the unethical thing done here was kicking Wainright off the team.
Trim, you've done good work ITT and you swung me. This final point was the best one made. Their stance is inconsistent at best. Sure oscar and Gene can hide behind charges being leveled but that's definitely them pissing on our leg and telling us it raining.
I was going to clown you for previous MCMW stances but you're clearly more consistent than oscar & Gene.
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This is gE at its best
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#freeamaad
Really, if they strike out recruiting, it'll be easy enough to manufacture justification to sign him again.
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The next step is the Mustang getting dudes cleared after this kind of thing.
Yep. Could be fantastic
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The next step is the Mustang getting dudes cleared after this kind of thing.
Yep. Could be fantastic
It’s really too bad Gene is old and we won’t be able to reap too many years of look the other way handle it internally bliss.
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The next step is the Mustang getting dudes cleared after this kind of thing.
Yep. Could be fantastic
It’s really too bad Gene is old and we won’t be able to reap too many years of look the other way handle it internally bliss.
The best of times are handling it internally times.
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#freeamaad
Really, if they strike out recruiting, it'll be easy enough to manufacture justification to sign him again.
You mean like if he’s acquitted or charges are dropped? Are you suggesting that would be problematic?
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#freeamaad
Really, if they strike out recruiting, it'll be easy enough to manufacture justification to sign him again.
You mean like if he’s acquitted or charges are dropped? Are you suggesting that would be problematic?
Regardless of how that criminal case plays out, in a world where KSU wanted Wainright on the team, it could articulate a position to justify it.
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Well unless KSU starts up a new work-release bball program, I don't really see that panning out if he is found guilty of conspiracy to commit a felony.
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If he pleas down to a misdemeanor and we don't let him transfer back on full scholarship to play a few minutes a game justice won't be served
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If he pleas down to a misdemeanor and we don't let him transfer back on full scholarship to play a few minutes a game justice won't be served
True that. Not a coincidence the Golden State rapist finally got caught. Wonder how long sack of crap oscar has been keeping that under wraps? We have the dirtiest coach in college basketball. Congrats guys
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The next step is the Mustang getting dudes cleared after this kind of thing.
Yep. Could be fantastic
It’s really too bad Gene is old and we won’t be able to reap too many years of look the other way handle it internally bliss.
The best of times are handling it internally times.
Oh please let this happen.
Then, 4 years later, nothing has happened.
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https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/1016537364481609728
https://twitter.com/AmaadW/status/1016537425571667968
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:frown:
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Maybe someone should have helped him out with his life rather than giving him a high five and a pat on the back for his role in the attempted murder and felony eluding spree
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It really sucks, his minutes in the Kentucky game were very valuable. I hope he finds peace moving forward.
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Maybe someone should have helped him out with his life rather than giving him a high five and a pat on the back for his role in the attempted murder and felony eluding spree
That's police's fault.
Source: itt
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So his scholarship/roster spot got freed up for nothing?
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https://twitter.com/kcstar/status/1031954090824224768?s=21
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transferring to LSU-Shreveport supposedly, so can't be that bad of a sentence
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I'm gonna give Gene an 8 out of 10. Let this kid play on after the charges.
Should have been a 10/10 and still with the program, tho.