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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #200 on: May 31, 2018, 12:32:39 PM »
I think everyone will agree economies operate most efficiently with lots of government intervention

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #201 on: May 31, 2018, 01:03:27 PM »
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?

Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.

GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles.  Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy.   To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.

Any other questions?

I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.

Are Tariff's permanent things?  Was the EU invited to the negotiating table?   Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?

No. You think European Steel and Aluminum companies are going to build mills in the US?  :lol:  :lol:  Sure, I mean, if they like losing money  :lol:  :lol:

It was a pretty simple question.  Why would they lose money?   

For example the I-85 corridor between CLT and ATL and particularly around the GVSP area is filled with offices and plants from Euro based companies. 


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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #202 on: May 31, 2018, 01:22:22 PM »
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?

Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.

GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles.  Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy.   To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.

Any other questions?

I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.

Are Tariff's permanent things?  Was the EU invited to the negotiating table?   Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?

No. You think European Steel and Aluminum companies are going to build mills in the US?  :lol:  :lol:  Sure, I mean, if they like losing money  :lol:  :lol:

It was a pretty simple question.  Why would they lose money?   

For example the I-85 corridor between CLT and ATL and particularly around the GVSP area is filled with offices and plants from Euro based companies.

...in other industries. None of those are steel mills. You correctly noted a handful of posts ago that American steel is failing. With disadvantages like a highly-paid workforce and a relative dearth of local ore, why would a foreign company do better here?

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #203 on: May 31, 2018, 02:31:01 PM »
I don't know trey, you'll have to tell me why they would or wouldn't.

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #204 on: May 31, 2018, 02:44:28 PM »
Instead of constantly changing the parameters of your argument, you should really just give up the ghost alot quicker during your bullshitting sessions

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #206 on: May 31, 2018, 03:36:33 PM »
Instead of constantly changing the parameters of your argument, you should really just give up the ghost alot quicker during your bullshitting sessions

What parameters changed?  Seems like pretty logical questions being that I live in part of the world that has a substantial Euro industrial presence, and a fairly substantial steel industry as well.


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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2018, 09:21:54 PM »
I'm not sure anyone really GAF about President Trump pardoning the racist guy but good points here echo'ing what sys posted:

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #208 on: May 31, 2018, 09:25:09 PM »
Looks like those sum bitches south of the border are going to pay for that wall after all!
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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #209 on: May 31, 2018, 09:30:06 PM »
Looks like those sum bitches south of the border are going to pay for that wall after all!

should help our trade deficit south of the border that our president keeps tweeting about for sure

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Re: The trade wars begin
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Re: The trade wars begin
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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #212 on: June 01, 2018, 09:27:29 PM »
reagan is a pinko commie social justice warrior compared to the new right

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #213 on: June 02, 2018, 10:07:54 AM »
He dunked on Russia.  Run ruled them

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #215 on: June 14, 2018, 11:40:53 AM »
I predict we win these wars handily
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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #216 on: June 15, 2018, 09:18:59 AM »

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #217 on: June 15, 2018, 09:57:38 AM »
Reagan is the reason we have a lot of the problems we have now. He decimated unions, increased wealth inequality through his disastrous tax cuts, tripled the debt during his time, deregulated everything he could. However, for some reason people believe he’s a saint I have no idea why people love him. The dream of Reagan and his ilk was to make the US entirely as broke and screwed as Kansas and Mississippi.

Well friend, in the context of the Great Recession nothing was as painful as the repeal of Glass Steagill and the constant pressure by the Clinton Administration to loosen mortgage lending requirements.  Which even had the hated W administration warning on Fannie and Freddie straight out. 

In regards to unions.  What was the primer for the biggest bailout in US corporate history? 

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #219 on: June 18, 2018, 06:53:55 PM »
Alright! Retaliate against the retaliation!


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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #220 on: June 19, 2018, 07:33:11 AM »
Will Trump be the first to say Uncle (Xi)?  <--- Elite cult of personality joke

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #221 on: June 19, 2018, 08:27:59 AM »
Very exciting to see prices of everything go up right in front of our eyes....all in the name of dinger waging.


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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #222 on: June 19, 2018, 08:31:25 AM »
If these other countries would just tack 200% tariffs on all Trump-owned businesses, we would give them everything they want and more in any potential trade deal. They aren't going about this the right way.

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #223 on: June 19, 2018, 09:38:43 AM »
Trump said trade wars are easy to win, so we should have this all wrapped up by the weekend right?

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Re: The trade wars begin
« Reply #224 on: June 19, 2018, 10:53:14 AM »
Look at the Berners whining about trump doing bernie stuff!!!!
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