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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #400 on: December 09, 2017, 05:41:35 PM »
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #401 on: December 09, 2017, 06:14:36 PM »
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #402 on: December 09, 2017, 06:30:29 PM »
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #404 on: December 09, 2017, 09:32:47 PM »

He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job.  Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.

To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince

What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?'  BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job.  From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company.  It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.


To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that?  Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #405 on: December 09, 2017, 09:35:48 PM »

He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job.  Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.

To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince

What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?'  BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job.  From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company.  It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.


To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that?  Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #406 on: December 09, 2017, 09:47:17 PM »
Sorry, crappy first post I know.  I was a long-time Scout user and before that a Rivals user... The new Scout-247-GoPowerCat message board just isn't working.  I am a K-State graduate, multiple generation K-Stater, economist by day and K-State follower by night.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #407 on: December 09, 2017, 10:03:57 PM »

He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job.  Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.

To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince

What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?'  BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job.  From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company.  It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.


To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that?  Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?

I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching.  His degree is in Law as in Lawyer.  Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level.
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #409 on: December 09, 2017, 10:09:14 PM »
he didn't play high school football?


and yeah he's just trolling the crap out of everyone at this point.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #410 on: December 09, 2017, 10:13:58 PM »
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #411 on: December 09, 2017, 10:14:55 PM »
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching.  His degree is in Law as in Lawyer.  Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level.

Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #412 on: December 09, 2017, 10:16:36 PM »
Sorry, crappy first post I know.  I was a long-time Scout user and before that a Rivals user... The new Scout-247-GoPowerCat message board just isn't working.  I am a K-State graduate, multiple generation K-Stater, economist by day and K-State follower by night.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #413 on: December 09, 2017, 10:17:37 PM »
he didn't play high school football?


and yeah he's just trolling the crap out of everyone at this point.

Must be because his list of items that should put Sean chance of being a good HC unattainable, amounts to a pile of dribble.
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #414 on: December 09, 2017, 10:20:33 PM »
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching.  His degree is in Law as in Lawyer.  Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level.

Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)

You could still apply your list to Leach.  So what does that prove.
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #415 on: December 09, 2017, 10:30:50 PM »
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Sean is not getting the HC job, he is leaving for a Special Teams job elsewhere, Bill will not remain at K-State minus Sean. Let us welcome Coach Bret Bielema :zzz:

Seans tweets do seem like he is reminiscing about the early days like he's gonna miss BSFS here shortly..... my guess is Sean leaves, Bill retires, demands K-State remove all symbols and mentions of him from the university because he's done with us and tired of all the negativity ( mentioning GE by name as the biggest culprit), and casts a wizard spell on us to send us back to the pit of misery of college footbal, aka - pre 1989. Bill moves to a community in Florida or Scottsdale and puts Manhattan behind him.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #416 on: December 09, 2017, 10:34:11 PM »
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching.  His degree is in Law as in Lawyer.  Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level.

Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)

You could still apply your list to Leach.  So what does that prove.

That Leach (who I too like) proved he was a great offensive coordinator under multiple head coaches before he was given a shot at an average school.  It may not be a whole lot more than Sean, but at some point most folks have to admit that handing over the team to Sean is at least a little uncomfortable due to a flimsy resume and obvious inside track.

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« Reply #417 on: December 09, 2017, 10:40:42 PM »
If Sean leaves, doesn't that mean he's not actually loyal? And is he suggesting that the ONLY way for K-State to be loyal to him is to let him be head coach? Goodness, that's asking a lot.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #418 on: December 09, 2017, 10:41:41 PM »
I don't know, since the Pirate didn't have a lick of college football experience before he started coaching.  His degree is in Law as in Lawyer.  Most feel like he's a great HC at the P5 level.

Mike Leach was an offensive coordinator for 11 years under 4 difference head coaches (including SEC and B12 stops) setting multiple NCAA records, a head football coach in Finland and 2 years assistant offense and defense coach... all of that earned him the right to take over the TTech program which was decent under Spike Dykes in the B12 (19-13 in conference)

You could still apply your list to Leach.  So what does that prove.

That Leach (who I too like) proved he was a great offensive coordinator under multiple head coaches before he was given a shot at an average school.  It may not be a whole lot more than Sean, but at some point most folks have to admit that handing over the team to Sean is at least a little uncomfortable due to a flimsy resume and obvious inside track.

If the rumors are true, we'll get to see how good of an OC he will be next season. Maybe after we see how that works out we will have a better opportunity to guess what kind of a HC he'll be.
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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #419 on: December 10, 2017, 02:46:55 AM »

He's just been told that his decades-long internship isn't going to result in getting the job.  Perfectly normal to be a little erratic under the circumstances.

To be clear this "internship" to be a P5 head football coach amounts to:
0 years of playing high school football
0 years playing offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of coaching offense or defense at the high school, college or professional level
0 years of head coaching experience at the high school, college or professional level
3 years as a collegiate punter under his father, a total of 142 snaps
7 years of coaching special teams under his father at a school that has multiple highly successful special teams coordinators (even under Ron Prince)
17 years as an administrator under his father and Ron Prince

What about this resume says 'Yes, Sean should be a Power 5 head coach in charge of multiple highly paid coaches, support staff, 85 scholarship athletes, walk-ons and a multi-million dollar revenue stream?'  BY the way, he'll be paid millions for this job.  From my viewpoint, this similar to a lifelong Human Resources and Internal Audit specialist being promoted to a CEO of a publicly traded Fortune 500 company.  It only makes sense because Bill says so. To some, that's enough to most it doesn't pass the mustard of accountability.


To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that?  Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #420 on: December 10, 2017, 03:11:54 AM »
i think being groomed to be the head coach by a hall of famer is going to teach him more ceo skills than most coordinators.

since he was kind of the head coach he did at least a mediocre job the last few years. if he can keep all of the things bill did well and improve on the other things, he would be great. a younger bill. plus he would stay forever.

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« Reply #421 on: December 10, 2017, 07:28:11 AM »
i think being groomed to be the head coach by a hall of famer is going to teach him more ceo skills than most coordinators.

since he was kind of the head coach he did at least a mediocre job the last few years. if he can keep all of the things bill did well and improve on the other things, he would be great. a younger bill. plus he would stay forever.

As with many HCs, his choice of OC and DC will be the determining factor.  I bet he would make sure and bring in some good assistant coaches to prove that he isn't his dad.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #422 on: December 10, 2017, 09:35:37 AM »
Sorry, crappy first post I know.  I was a long-time Scout user and before that a Rivals user... The new Scout-247-GoPowerCat message board just isn't working.  I am a K-State graduate, multiple generation K-Stater, economist by day and K-State follower by night.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #423 on: December 10, 2017, 09:39:37 AM »
wait sean didn't play high school football?!?? That must have required a lot of dedication to become successful at something without typical experience.

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Re: Use this to support whatever your position is on Sean
« Reply #424 on: December 10, 2017, 09:45:13 AM »


To the poster above who claims that Sean will go to a small school, dominate and then turn around KU, why hasn't he already done that?  Wouldn't that be the most logical path to earn the KSU job?

It was sarcasm and pointing out a worst case kitn.  As a fellow scouty, it's low hanging fruit.

I am conflicted presently.   LHCBC deserves to end his storybook career as he sees fit.  But every year is closer to the finale.  It is simply smart business to be prepared for the future.  This off-season, KSU has a somewhat unique opportunity in that several viable candidates are possibly available.  If this is not coaches last game, we are looking at Sean vs a watered down talent pool.

Venables has desired this job since coach first retired.   He's a very hot commodity,  and his defenses have been the best in the nation.  I see their style/intensity and think back to Howard, ,Leber,  Simoneau,  etc.   It's a far cry from the bend, don't break philosophy.   

OTOH, he's unproven as a CEO.  He is able to recruit the finest athletes; we cannot.  Winning is paramount at Clemson,; but is part of the equation at KSU.  If successful,  southeastern schools will court him vigorously.

Leavitt has wanted the job since being fired from USF.  His intensity is unmatched, and he has a great track record at CU and Oregon of excellent defenses.  He's going to FSU and it's probably a win-win.  Just wanted to mention him as a till recent candidate.

Bielma is probably the second most successful Snyder disciple.  He's won 3 big 10 titles, been painfully close to playing for national championships.   Has numerous elite players in the NFL.  He has made mistakes and seems to learn the lesson.  He's been humbled and shown resilience.  His present circumstances probably ensure he will interested in long-term position.

OTOH. (This is a short list)  He has burned bridges at a former school (UW) and failed at another  (ARK).  There are those that claim his physical appearance and professional results have changed due to poor life choices. His wife has been publicly immature.  Nothing that indicates MHK is important to him.

I mention Coach Stoops out of respect and the fact that he is not currently coaching.  He's highly respected,  successful,  etc.  If I was AD, I would pitch him knowing my odds were akin to playing Powerball.

Sean has been groomed and is promoted by his father.  A father with a pretty good track record for being able to develop leaders.  He's been successful with prior responsibility.   He would remain loyal to the program regardless of success.

OTOH. We have very little public evidence of his responsibilities.   Father says he basically has/can run the program.   The history of sons following HOF coaches footsteps is dismal.  If he fails, it will be difficult for both sides to make tough decisions.
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All of this.

I think it is important for K-Staters to realize this is a difficult decision, with no clear, easy answers.  What tends to happen is that people think their perspective is 100% right (Sean sucks, I trust Bill, etc), without appreciating there are two sides to every coin.  And then people dig in their hills and start posting nasty stuff directly to Sean’s twitter account.  That doesn’t help at all.