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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #625 on: December 07, 2016, 01:57:23 PM »
Okay, I'll indulge your ridiculous hypothetical. Lets say Thompson has this incredibly unique skill set that he can only maximize his ability in the two minutes drill. Would he still have this amazing skill after sitting for three hours and not having any sense at all of the speed of the game he's entering?

Don't indulge him, please.

I think he's proposing we use Thompson as a closer.  Don't risk injury and keep that cannon fresh.  Genius.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #626 on: December 07, 2016, 02:01:20 PM »
Has anyone insinuated Ertz won't improve?

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #627 on: December 07, 2016, 02:19:29 PM »
i'm somewhat insinuating that it won't much matter because he'll be on the sideline with an injury to some part of his body


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« Reply #628 on: December 07, 2016, 02:46:07 PM »
I've always felt that it's mostly (not entirely) a byproduct of the coaching staff allowing the QB's to do more in the offense.  The diversity of play calls in year two for all of these guys is much greater, and they're allowed more freedom to spread the ball down the field.

Of course, there's always the fact that we drill the crap out of them over the winter in the film room, they get added reps in the Spring and Summer as the clear #1, etc.  But there is something systemic in what we do that accounts for this jump, and I remember how much they opened the book up for Ell, Klein, Waters, etc. in year two.  I feel that's a pretty significant variable.

I agree and its very significant.

I would guess Ertz's biggest jumps will come in YPA and TDs. Its possible, if not likely, that INT% and YPC will get slightly worse, but mostly because he will be allowed to take a few more chances and defenses will have better gameplans against him. Overall, the efficiency of the offense will go up, especially since he'll be paired with the best SO running back besides Sproles and a very good JR in Silmon. Plus a pretty good group of playmakers at WR. IMO, next year's offense is going to be really good, at least top 30 and probably top 20.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #629 on: December 07, 2016, 02:59:31 PM »
Who is Thompson and why does Steffy think he is good?


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Because he isn't from Iowa or a walk on from Kansas.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #630 on: December 07, 2016, 03:54:42 PM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.
I missed most of the OSU game but the only times I remember Ertz throwing the ball over the defense downfield were in the early games of the season (Stanford and WVU) and even then they were touch throws, the "put a fade in a shoebox" TD to Zuber v Stanford is probably his TD pass that traveled the farthest in the air.

The big play on the double move or play action is easily the biggest place for Ertz to improve and we should have a ton of opportunities with what will be the best running game since 2001.  Unless there is another 1Y hidden away on our roster we will have to beat OU and OSU in shootouts and that is hard to do if they don't respect Ertz's arm.

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« Reply #631 on: December 07, 2016, 04:10:26 PM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.
I missed most of the OSU game but the only times I remember Ertz throwing the ball over the defense downfield were in the early games of the season (Stanford and WVU) and even then they were touch throws, the "put a fade in a shoebox" TD to Zuber v Stanford is probably his TD pass that traveled the farthest in the air.

The big play on the double move or play action is easily the biggest place for Ertz to improve and we should have a ton of opportunities with what will be the best running game since 2001.  Unless there is another 1Y hidden away on our roster we will have to beat OU and OSU in shootouts and that is hard to do if they don't respect Ertz's arm.

Does anyone keep stats for yards traveled in the air? We must rank similarly to triple option teams.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #632 on: December 07, 2016, 04:41:15 PM »
Okay, I'll indulge your ridiculous hypothetical. Lets say Thompson has this incredibly unique skill set that he can only maximize his ability in the two minutes drill. Would he still have this amazing skill after sitting for three hours and not having any sense at all of the speed of the game he's entering?

Never was a problem for Mariano Rivera.

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« Reply #633 on: December 07, 2016, 05:24:00 PM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.
I missed most of the OSU game but the only times I remember Ertz throwing the ball over the defense downfield were in the early games of the season (Stanford and WVU) and even then they were touch throws, the "put a fade in a shoebox" TD to Zuber v Stanford is probably his TD pass that traveled the farthest in the air.

The big play on the double move or play action is easily the biggest place for Ertz to improve and we should have a ton of opportunities with what will be the best running game since 2001.  Unless there is another 1Y hidden away on our roster we will have to beat OU and OSU in shootouts and that is hard to do if they don't respect Ertz's arm.

Does anyone keep stats for yards traveled in the air? We must rank similarly to triple option teams.

Well, maybe not triple, but we are an option team.

As for that stat, no, but here are a ton of advanced stats here:

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/pages/2016-kansas-state-advanced-statistical-profile

And yes, we are a very effective and efficient running team with very few big plays, especially in the passing game.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #634 on: December 07, 2016, 06:51:13 PM »
I've always felt that it's mostly (not entirely) a byproduct of the coaching staff allowing the QB's to do more in the offense.  The diversity of play calls in year two for all of these guys is much greater, and they're allowed more freedom to spread the ball down the field.

Of course, there's always the fact that we drill the crap out of them over the winter in the film room, they get added reps in the Spring and Summer as the clear #1, etc.  But there is something systemic in what we do that accounts for this jump, and I remember how much they opened the book up for Ell, Klein, Waters, etc. in year two.  I feel that's a pretty significant variable.

I agree and its very significant.

I would guess Ertz's biggest jumps will come in YPA and TDs. Its possible, if not likely, that INT% and YPC will get slightly worse, but mostly because he will be allowed to take a few more chances and defenses will have better gameplans against him. Overall, the efficiency of the offense will go up, especially since he'll be paired with the best SO running back besides Sproles and a very good JR in Silmon. Plus a pretty good group of playmakers at WR. IMO, next year's offense is going to be really good, at least top 30 and probably top 20.

To piggy back on this I've felt in addition to calling more plays, it's also just more grasp and command of the offense. This is season is perfect microcosm of this in that through the first 4 weeks the biggest knock we had was not just play calling, but straight up execution. Tons of false starts, delays of game, and a general lack of any offense flow. It just looked like a horribly misfiring engine. But of course as the season worse on, Ertz got more comfortable, and his ability to better command the offense improved drastically, and subsequently so did the offense. I also thought that therefore the 2nd year was basically the further extension of this. The battle no longer becomes can he get the play in time, but can he read the defense properly and make a change if he sees fit, and that's simply something that you can't simulate in practice no matter how hard you try. The expansion of the playbook and better play calling therefore is more having the command down, so the play calling improvement followed. A bit of can you even walk before I tell you to run.

To bolster this you saw this in 2011 with Klein, while we still took the clock down in 2012 plenty of times, in 2011 it was nerve wracking as hell as to whether or not we could even get the play off, and would it even be an effective play in work.

Side note for _FAN, I like that chart showing the improvement, and I am guessing you just factored the average improvement of Bishop, May, Roberson et al to apply to Ertz numbers, but I personally see his running stats go down, and at the rate of Klein's did in 2012. Not necessarily a nit pick, just it stands to reason that just like Klein Ertz's improvement in the passing game will lead him to need to run less, and the emergence of Barnes and Silmon will mean he'll need to carry the ball less anyways.
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #635 on: December 07, 2016, 06:56:21 PM »
Ertz is a better runner than Klein. I'm not sure his stats will decline there because I think he'll have a lot more big runs and we won't rely on him in short yardage situations like we did Klein.

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« Reply #636 on: December 07, 2016, 06:56:47 PM »
His jump ball throws usually are targeted to open receivers. He just underthrows them by enough that they have to stop. They wouldn't be jump ball throws if he were a better QB.
I missed most of the OSU game but the only times I remember Ertz throwing the ball over the defense downfield were in the early games of the season (Stanford and WVU) and even then they were touch throws, the "put a fade in a shoebox" TD to Zuber v Stanford is probably his TD pass that traveled the farthest in the air.

The big play on the double move or play action is easily the biggest place for Ertz to improve and we should have a ton of opportunities with what will be the best running game since 2001.  Unless there is another 1Y hidden away on our roster we will have to beat OU and OSU in shootouts and that is hard to do if they don't respect Ertz's arm.

Does anyone keep stats for yards traveled in the air? We must rank similarly to triple option teams.

Well, maybe not triple, but we are an option team.

As for that stat, no, but here are a ton of advanced stats here:

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/pages/2016-kansas-state-advanced-statistical-profile

And yes, we are a very effective and efficient running team with very few big plays, especially in the passing game.

And I'm personally very glad to be. In a conference where all teams are supremely challenged defensively, and where we as a team maybe don't lack the horses, being a ridiculously hard offense to stop, and a ponderous one at that is our greatest asset. Don't mind the theatrics of throwing in some big plays now and then, but the 4-6 YPP every play nickel-and-dime, dink-and-dunk, checkdown the field is one of our greatest assets in winning games.
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #639 on: December 11, 2016, 09:00:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/808083488289198080

Man if Kstate goes for it on 4th down against Ostate I bet we win that game....

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #640 on: December 12, 2016, 09:14:58 AM »
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/808083488289198080

Man if Kstate goes for it on 4th down against Ostate I bet we win that game....

Same with TCU last year and probably a handful of other games in my 4 years at K-State

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #641 on: December 12, 2016, 01:08:25 PM »
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/808083488289198080

Man if Kstate goes for it on 4th down against Ostate I bet we win that game....

Same with TCU last year and probably a handful of other games in my 4 years at K-State

Oh dammit you like the Dallas Cowboys... ugh!

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #642 on: December 12, 2016, 02:47:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/808083488289198080

Man if Kstate goes for it on 4th down against Ostate I bet we win that game....

Same with TCU last year and probably a handful of other games in my 4 years at K-State

Oh dammit you like the Dallas Cowboys... ugh!

I hate it, too.

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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #643 on: December 12, 2016, 03:30:12 PM »
starsbravesksu kinda reminds people of stevedaveksu. you are off to a strong start dude.  :thumbs:

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« Reply #644 on: December 12, 2016, 03:37:00 PM »
starsbravesksu kinda reminds people of stevedaveksu. you are off to a strong start dude.  :thumbs:

Just tryin to be like the best. 

Which reminds me, I've got a killer Husker vanity plate to take a pic of thanks to a Corny co-worker.  I'll try to get it today.

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« Reply #645 on: December 12, 2016, 03:39:14 PM »
since no one else wants these all run, no pass qbs, why can't we recruit enough of them to have one for every game instead of living in dread that the only good one in any given year will die before snyder has used up every last drop of him?
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« Reply #646 on: December 12, 2016, 07:21:15 PM »
since no one else wants these all run, no pass qbs, why can't we recruit enough of them to have one for every game instead of living in dread that the only good one in any given year will die before snyder has used up every last drop of him?

we try sys, but they keep transferring away
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« Reply #647 on: December 12, 2016, 11:11:58 PM »
well sonofabitch.
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Re: what if jimmy ertz is a complete badass??
« Reply #648 on: December 28, 2016, 11:56:39 PM »
HI EVERYBODY! :cool:

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« Reply #649 on: December 28, 2016, 11:57:49 PM »
Guys, he's a badass. And the future is bright.