Obama. Ashamed we won WWII.

[MakeItRain]

The extreme partisans on this board who claim not to be partisan seem to have trouble at times.   I never said R's didn't kill people, but gosh golly, the pile of bodies, particularly American bodies left behind by D's dwarfs that of R's.

Reno's ignored post notwithstanding you are the sole person that made this and continue to make this particular thread a partisan one. It's super weird that you fight something that's so completely obvious. Do you think we'll think less of you for admitting something we all already know? Of all of the people on this board who are "extreme partisans," whatever the hell that means, you're the only one not willing to admit it.

[ednksu]

Dropping the bomb was necessary but acknowledging how awful it was isn't a problem.

Debateable now.

Not really

Actually it really is.  See everything from the info that was blocked for the Smithsonian's Enola Gay exhibit a few years ago, to info about the perceptions of Russian involvement in theater or showing them the force of the new toy. 

[eastcat]

Dropping the bomb was necessary but acknowledging how awful it was isn't a problem.

Debateable now.

Not really

Actually it really is.  See everything from the info that was blocked for the Smithsonian's Enola Gay exhibit a few years ago, to info about the perceptions of Russian involvement in theater or showing them the force of the new toy.

Uh no. If the US had to invade mainland Japan, it would have made Stalingrad look like a school yard.

[michigancat]

Uh no. If the US had to invade mainland Japan, it would have made Stalingrad look like a school yard.

True or not, this is exactly how someone would try to maintain moral justification for committing a war crime. Not entirely different from how folks try to justify torture.

[Emo EMAW]

michigancat are you saying you believe the bomb was a war crime? 

[michigancat]

michigancat are you saying you believe the bomb was a war crime? 

No, I shouldn't have insinuated that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Uh no. If the US had to invade mainland Japan, it would have made Stalingrad look like a school yard.

True or not, this is exactly how someone would try to maintain moral justification for committing a war crime. Not entirely different from how folks try to justify torture.

You mean like hiding behind stopping "ethnic cleansing"?

[ednksu]

Dropping the bomb was necessary but acknowledging how awful it was isn't a problem.

Debateable now.

Not really

Actually it really is.  See everything from the info that was blocked for the Smithsonian's Enola Gay exhibit a few years ago, to info about the perceptions of Russian involvement in theater or showing them the force of the new toy.

Uh no. If the US had to invade mainland Japan, it would have made Stalingrad look like a school yard.

Lots of evidence that suggests otherwise and that the Japanese could have been brought to heel without the bomb.  Lots of evidence that this was a show of force and a move to end the war before the Russians could move further into the theater. 

[mocat]

THEY DIDN'T EVEN SURRENDER UNTIL WE DROPPED A SECOND ONE WTF JAPAN

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THEY DIDN'T EVEN SURRENDER UNTIL WE DROPPED A SECOND ONE WTF JAPAN

Bushido

[sys]

i'm kinda sad germany didn't win so we could watch them try to sort out what to apologize for and when.

[Skipper44]

THEY DIDN'T EVEN SURRENDER UNTIL WE DROPPED A SECOND ONE WTF JAPAN

and some of them still didn't surrender after that!  The thinking of the day that a successful invasion of the Japanese home islands would of required killing every man, woman and child seems to have some validity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

[renocat]

Cruelty and war crimes = Japan's prison camps, Battan Death March, and dick on a stick.
Our fire bombings of Japan and Germany were more horrific.  Obama just being there sends the message we are ashamed and will never be war meanies again.  Sheik Abdullah Hajithroatcutter laughs at pussy weak president.

[Dugout DickStone]

The amount of attention being paid to this is astounding.  It's good to be us

[renocat]

Today is a sad day.  Obama pronounced to the world the reason why we dropped the nuclear bomb was because of religious zeal and national fervor.  )$'+2+@?/&!!!

[Dugout DickStone]

amazing the amount of media obsession with his visit

[Cartierfor3]

amazing the amount of media obsession with his visit

he's the president of the united states

[Dugout DickStone]

amazing the amount of media obsession with his visit

he's the president of the united states

I'm trying to make fun of people

[Cartierfor3]

amazing the amount of media obsession with his visit

he's the president of the united states

I'm trying to make fun of people

oh

[renocat]

No apologies. Bull crap.  Hugging that Japanese guy for Americans doing somerhing horible.to him. My uncles saw.firt.hand what the Japanese did to Americans.  No hugs from the Japanese premier.  All obama did was rip off old scabs and urinate on the wounds.

[Dugout DickStone]

No apologies. Bull crap.  Hugging that Japanese guy for Americans doing somerhing horible.to him. My uncles saw.firt.hand what the Japanese did to Americans.  No hugs from the Japanese premier.  All obama did was rip off old scabs and urinate on the wounds.

Like I said, victory lap

[ednksu]

www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-27/its-time-to-confront-painful-truths-about-using-the-atomic-bombs-on-japan

[renocat]

Will Obama hug a rabid Islamist? He has bombed innocent families with drones to kill the combatants. 

[Dugout DickStone]

www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-27/its-time-to-confront-painful-truths-about-using-the-atomic-bombs-on-japan

Klinger is much more convincing

[Brock Landers]

No apologies. Bull crap.  Hugging that Japanese guy for Americans doing somerhing horible.to him. My uncles saw.firt.hand what the Japanese did to Americans.  No hugs from the Japanese premier.  All obama did was rip off old scabs and urinate on the wounds.

I bet that was one of those super awkward hugs where their faces are sort of close together but they're both sticking their butts way out.