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« on: August 16, 2010, 07:37:41 AM »
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world/15shadowwar.html?sort=oldest&offset=1

Once again, ask yourself why a trillion dollar plus (a year) war and intelligence machine can't keep guys/gals operating up in the rocks or out in the middle BFE bottled up?   The answer again is quite clear . . . it doesn't want to "just" keep them bottled up.   War Inc.  needs bombs dropping and private contractor pockets stuffed. 

All the wailing and crying from the Obamabots about the human rights abuses of the previous administration.   Yet what has history told us time and time again.   Anytime you push a war deeper into the shadows the probability of human rights abuses increases.   

Face it Obamabots . . . you elected a bigger war monger than W ever dreamed of being . . . and now your masses are littered with people who defend the process with great zeal simply because Barry has got a (D) next to his name.   

But least we forget.   The current VP was one of the biggest cheerleaders for invading Iraq. 





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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 09:19:24 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 09:28:49 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

To keep the pitchfork industrial complex happy.

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 11:00:52 PM »
Complacency.
Distance from home/lack of political will
The French

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 12:31:27 AM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.






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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 12:36:07 AM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 12:54:28 PM »
Complacency.
Distance from home/lack of political will
The French

Not to mention the fact that it was the mother-rough ridin' eighteenth century.

Lack of communication and an army totally unequipped for the kind of fighting they were facing.

Hard to win a war when you're spending weeks and months sending supplies and soldiers across the Atlantic.

I see what you're getting at 06wildcat but it's tough to make that comparison. It just doesn't apply to todays warfare.

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 01:00:55 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

06wildcat, do you talk to people who've been in a battle? I'm assuming you're military, but if you are I'm confused... I have family and friends over there right now and if I asked they would tell me and have told me that they're really not sure what the hell they are doing over there, but they definitely aren't trying to "win a war".

I personally believe that it's best that we are over there at the moment, to protect America's interests and future. But definitely not for any feel-good freedom-protecting "war on terror". You sound a little naive.

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 01:39:18 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

You float around all over the map . . . 10 minutes ago your a quasi liberal apologist, now your a hardcore "you've never been in battle" conservative.    Tell me Captain Genius, in what part of any of my posts did I say this was easy?? 

But it's a simple question.   Why can't a trillion dollar plus annual military and intelligence complex be called upon to keep these guys in check to the point where they can't do any real harm to the United States and its interests??    It's a simple answer, they can . . . but keeping them "in check" doesn't advance U.S. hegemony.    This really has nothing to do with your Sarah Palin/tea party/conservative talk radio derived "You've never been in battle" obfuscatory B.S.    Now just waiting on you to do your multiple personality disorder flip-flop again in your reply.




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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 07:10:08 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

You float around all over the map . . . 10 minutes ago your a quasi liberal apologist, now your a hardcore "you've never been in battle" conservative.    Tell me Captain Genius, in what part of any of my posts did I say this was easy?? 

But it's a simple question.   Why can't a trillion dollar plus annual military and intelligence complex be called upon to keep these guys in check to the point where they can't do any real harm to the United States and its interests??    It's a simple answer, they can . . . but keeping them "in check" doesn't advance U.S. hegemony.    This really has nothing to do with your Sarah Palin/tea party/conservative talk radio derived "You've never been in battle" obfuscatory B.S.    Now just waiting on you to do your multiple personality disorder flip-flop again in your reply.





This is an impossibility even if every cent of every dollar in the U.S. went to defense.

That aside however, the fact you're still trying to trot out the OMG Obama's the worst's socialist dictator warmonger ever bullshit, shows how truly dumb you are in regards to military strategy. There's a centuries-old playbook for winning (relatively speaking) conflicts such as Afghanistan. The current buildup in Afghanistan is following that book in most regards except for the fact that Obama has set a deadline to reduce troop numbers BEFORE the 2012 election.

What's also incredibly funny is that Obama has to use this strategy to clean up the clusterfuck left by GWB and Co., who went adventuring in Iraq while leaving a token force in Afghanistan. Then everyone was surprised that things had gone to crap because they left 50,000 soldiers to do the job of at least 120,000. You want to talk about perpetual war, let's start with the guy who kept the war going on the back burner for the better part of a decade and compare him to the guy that has set a deadline to end major operations less than a year from now.

Stick to owning beems on athletic department arguments. You obviously understand what you're talking about in those matters. Until you either learn a little more about battle history, the structure of our armed forces or actually talk to people that know about these things, stop spouting off dumbshit talking points you thought up yourself.

BTW, I love that you have no idea of my political leaning. And you're guesses are just like the rest of this thread ... grasping at straws.

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 07:22:02 PM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

06wildcat, do you talk to people who've been in a battle? I'm assuming you're military, but if you are I'm confused... I have family and friends over there right now and if I asked they would tell me and have told me that they're really not sure what the hell they are doing over there, but they definitely aren't trying to "win a war".

I personally believe that it's best that we are over there at the moment, to protect America's interests and future. But definitely not for any feel-good freedom-protecting "war on terror". You sound a little naive.

Was in, got out before 9-11, have lost plenty of friends in both wars and keep in close contact with some that are still in. And it's not uncommon for most soldiers in a warzone to not know what their individual part is. They know what they're doing on their daily missions, most have a fairly general idea of their overall mission for their deployment but very few are cognizant of the entire chessboard. All they know is what they're doing in their location. They don't know what Unit X is doing in the next village and they can't see what the endgame is from where they're located.

The armed forces are a very, very large machine and it's impossible to know if you as an individual are helping in any meaningful way because you you don't have enough information on what's going on around you. You can only trust that the people who are high up than you know what they're doing.

I believe the war in Afghanistan was a just war that was mumped up when we invaded Iraq. We could be looking at a force of 50,000-75,000 in Afghanistan right now with relative peace and have it well on its way to being a functioning government sans the Taliban and al-quaeda.

I'm glad I sound naive to you though. Especially since my posts are laden with war on terror and protecting freedom jingoism.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2010, 12:30:50 AM »
Guessing he actually got out shortly after 9/11N cause he seems like the kind of pussy that would do that.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 10:43:07 AM »
Please explain to me how the greatest army in all the world (at the time) lost it's most important colony to a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. TIA.

LOL . . .  by the time the deciding battles rolled around there was virtually no difference between the "technology" either army had. 

Let me know when Al CIAda has a Stealth Bomber dropping JDAM's from 35,000 feet, or has a carrier battle group, or is flying $220 million dollar fighter planes and has their own space based guidance, battlefield management and targeting systems.







Thanks for making it as clear as day that you're an academic warrior. You're probably too old to sign up, but it would do you some good to talk to some people that have actually been in a battle once or twice.

06wildcat, do you talk to people who've been in a battle? I'm assuming you're military, but if you are I'm confused... I have family and friends over there right now and if I asked they would tell me and have told me that they're really not sure what the hell they are doing over there, but they definitely aren't trying to "win a war".

I personally believe that it's best that we are over there at the moment, to protect America's interests and future. But definitely not for any feel-good freedom-protecting "war on terror". You sound a little naive.

Was in, got out before 9-11, have lost plenty of friends in both wars and keep in close contact with some that are still in. And it's not uncommon for most soldiers in a warzone to not know what their individual part is. They know what they're doing on their daily missions, most have a fairly general idea of their overall mission for their deployment but very few are cognizant of the entire chessboard. All they know is what they're doing in their location. They don't know what Unit X is doing in the next village and they can't see what the endgame is from where they're located.

The armed forces are a very, very large machine and it's impossible to know if you as an individual are helping in any meaningful way because you you don't have enough information on what's going on around you. You can only trust that the people who are high up than you know what they're doing.

I believe the war in Afghanistan was a just war that was mumped up when we invaded Iraq. We could be looking at a force of 50,000-75,000 in Afghanistan right now with relative peace and have it well on its way to being a functioning government sans the Taliban and al-quaeda.

I'm glad I sound naive to you though. Especially since my posts are laden with war on terror and protecting freedom jingoism.

In all seriousness, thanks for your service, whether you saw any action or not. I come from a family with one side where everyone goes military, and one side where everyone goes to college. Honestly if it wasn't for an ACT score and a full ride I'd almost definitely have gone straight to boot camp after high school.

My uncle is a marine captain, and he told me once that the soldier who gets lost in the who/what/when/why big picture thinking-game is the one that isn't doing their job. Or the one that missed the bullet they just caught square between the eyes. I know I'd be the same way. Military guys, at least active ones are usually the last people you'd want to get opinions about the war from, and rightfully so.

Didn't mean much by the naive comment by the way... I just hear this "war on terror" and "fighting the good fight" talk so much and wonder if any of them actually really believe it.

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 10:53:30 AM »
Guessing he actually got out shortly after 9/11N cause he seems like the kind of pussy that would do that.

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