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Minority rule politics
« on: July 15, 2018, 12:43:45 PM »


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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2018, 12:46:32 PM »
Also feel free to expand this as the official "the electoral college is bullshit" thread.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2018, 12:57:08 PM »
What’s the solution LibBot7?


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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2018, 01:04:10 PM »
Getting rid of the electoral college is step one dax.

Undecided on what to do with the senate problem.

I would probably get rid of state boundaries for senators and have them be from geographic areas of similar populations, like the house but much less members. This of course creates a giant gerrymandering problem.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 01:11:21 PM »
Our current state lines are really dumb. we've had a few state realignment threads IIRC

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 01:14:08 PM »
Hmm, this is fascinating timing on this discussion.

But, interesting. 

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 02:11:18 PM »
Also two of the last three presidents have won elections they actually lost, so yeah, people have been talking about it for quite a while, bud.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 02:41:13 PM »
I mean, our government was designed this way specifically to protect smaller states... That's been the whole point from the beginning. "The Senate problem" - wut??

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2018, 02:42:45 PM »
Well, our government can't change so go ahead and wrap this thread up dudes
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2018, 02:44:49 PM »
In this case, that really is the case. You'd need to amend the Constitution, and the "Senate problem"--as well as the states themselves--would never do that.

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2018, 02:47:04 PM »
Not even worth discussing then, I don't even know why you felt the need to post  :dunno:
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2018, 02:54:32 PM »
Well it's a pointless exercise, but I suppose this is a message board, after all...

I think the compromise of creating the bicameral system we have is good and fair. Membership in the House is still tethered to population, and electoral votes are still tethered to population in a slightly diminished way. I think people who make the argument you make are really just saying we should do away with the concept of sovereign domestic states. And that's fine, if you want to argue that. But many/most people actually think of themselves as both citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside, and equal representation in the Senate is the only thing that prevents them from becoming jellyfish subject to the currents generated by big fish.

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2018, 02:56:57 PM »
Yes, I don't care about the states themselves at all. What they originally represented is nothing like the reality of today. Our system should change to reflect that.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2018, 02:59:53 PM »
I like the states. An all-powerful central government is boring. States make things interesting. Spices things up, you know?

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2018, 03:03:18 PM »
You can still have them, doesn't mean the senate needs to follow their arbitrary lines
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2018, 03:08:29 PM »
You can still have them, doesn't mean the senate needs to follow their arbitrary lines

I can appreciate why you feel the way you do. You're a liberal living in conservative country, and Killary CantWin just won the popular vote yet got crushed in the electoral college. The thing you gotta understand is that we don't live in a democracy. Sovereignty and the right to govern arise from the consent of the People, and the People voted for a republic... Maybe you should start advocating for a constitutional convention?

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2018, 03:20:24 PM »
You're better than a "but Hillary" spracs. I've been a very vocal opponent of the electoral college since I can remember.

The electoral college is nothing but voter suppression at this point.

And I'm not even talking about current state of the country. 8 years ago I would have said the same thing.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2018, 03:27:24 PM »
I was just testing out the Hillary stuff to see if it was a fun thing to do. Pretty fun!

It's fair to criticize the college. But I thought we were discussing the "Senate problem"?

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2018, 03:27:53 PM »
If I fully admit that the states (aka the people) will never accept a senate change proposal, will you stop bringing up the obvious that the states would have to accept them for change to happen? It's radical, I accept that.

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2018, 03:30:07 PM »
Then, ignoring the practical impossibility of the proposition, what's your plan for a new form of government?

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 03:32:27 PM »
I already posted it above.

I'm open to other solutions.

I'm also open to arguments that a senate 70% controlled by 30% of the country is working as intended or good for the county.
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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2018, 03:42:33 PM »
How about this:

The Senate goes away. We elect House reps, and then we hold a giant raffle where each rep has his name on a ping-pong ball. A girl in a bikini selects, one-by-one, 50 ping-pong balls from a giant spinning thingy. Those 50 persons are now nuSenators, rather than House reps. The whole thing is broadcast live. It's must-see tv.

Also, all reps/senators are elected for 4 years terms, in sync with the general election. We pay them like $500,000/year and/or figure out how to actually jigger with financial corruption. Each rep/senator cannot serve for more than 1 consecutive term. But they can sit out 1 4 year cycle and try again the next time.

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Re: Minority rule politics
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2018, 03:43:35 PM »
We’re the United States of America. The states aren’t just ceremonial - our union was specifically designed to give the states equal power in the Senate (and to a lesser extent in the Electoral College).  But I’m not telling the liberals anything they don’t already know - they just hate the senate and the electoral college because they refuse to acknowledge the real problem: that liberals have increasingly isolated themselves in concentrated groupthink bubbles.

The more realistic road back to political dominance is for liberals to continue colonizing Texas, through illegal immigration and Californians moving to Austin.
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