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« Reply #1000 on: October 03, 2017, 05:19:25 AM »
I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

As long as you don't express racial superiority, jmho.

1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.   YD said "pursue", whatever that means
2. If you find someone attractive but their race stops you from wanting to do whatever with her, that's absolutely an expression of racial superiority. You're saying her race doesn't reach your standard of acceptability.


See where your coming from.  It appears to me the ever changing definition of racism (or race) seems to perpetuate this discussion/argument to no end.  Does one physical attribute define one's race?
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« Reply #1001 on: October 03, 2017, 05:28:58 AM »
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1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.
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« Reply #1002 on: October 03, 2017, 11:09:50 AM »
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

I think the politically correct way to say it is "we all have racial bias" which is the nice way of saying we are all racist but we are not all necessarily crap people.

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« Reply #1003 on: October 03, 2017, 11:27:59 AM »
I think you're confusing prejudice with racism. We all prejudge things based on prior experiences and biases, but we don't have to allow prejudice (especially based on racial stereotypes) to affect how we act towards others. Racism is where you hold those prejudices out as truth and choose to act on them rather than what you perceive/learn about an individual.

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« Reply #1004 on: October 03, 2017, 11:32:30 AM »
So prejudice: that black guy in the hoodie looks suspicious to me, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he's actually up to something.

Racism: "hi, police? There is a suspicious black man near the grocery store who is up to something."
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« Reply #1005 on: October 03, 2017, 12:39:54 PM »
So prejudice: that black guy in the hoodie looks suspicious to me, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he's actually up to something.

Racism: "hi, police? There is a suspicious black man near the grocery store who is up to something."

So I'll restate my position with these facts. We are all prejudiced against one or many people. These prejudices will often change as we interact with these different groups. Certain instances and interactions only reinforce stereotypes making the prejudices lean towards racism.

The true difference I am finding in research is that a labeled racist perceives that their race is superior. Id be intrigued going forward trying to define instances as whether they occurred due to prejudice or due to racism.

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« Reply #1006 on: October 03, 2017, 12:42:41 PM »
Speak for yourself YD

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« Reply #1007 on: October 03, 2017, 03:05:15 PM »
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

No we aren't, no we don't.

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« Reply #1008 on: October 03, 2017, 03:11:15 PM »
Here's some data to back up YD's theory...



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« Reply #1009 on: October 04, 2017, 10:08:03 AM »
Speak for yourself YD

I am. I definitely include myself in that list. Since I am aware of it I will be able to make better decisions that don't base themselves around those judgements. People who openly deny that they have any prejudice are destined to make decisions that go along with their prejudice because they are ignoring its existence.

Here's some data to back up YD's theory...





That's pretty spot on. I am actually going to see this musical when I am in NYC this weekend for a work conference.

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« Reply #1010 on: October 04, 2017, 10:14:18 AM »
AVE Q is on my list of musicals I want to see. Kinda far down, but firmly on the list.

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« Reply #1011 on: October 04, 2017, 11:50:25 AM »
AVE Q is on my list of musicals I want to see. Kinda far down, but firmly on the list.

I had a buddy in college who liked to listen to show tunes and Avenue Q was one of the shows he played the most often. We got really good seats through groupon for like $40 a ticket.

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« Reply #1012 on: October 06, 2017, 08:39:42 AM »


1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.


Where did I say I pursue White girls??




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« Reply #1013 on: October 06, 2017, 02:09:51 PM »
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

No we aren't, no we don't.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #1014 on: October 06, 2017, 02:24:04 PM »
it's not kdub's fault he's racist, it's the media's fault

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« Reply #1015 on: October 06, 2017, 03:25:06 PM »
TBH, I'm no more racist than most people, and probable less than many. I just go about my life, being friendly and respectful (or being a jerk) to people regardless of their skin pigmentation. I work with people of many different races and consider many of them friends. I'm hardly "color blind" but I don't treat people differently based upon race. I just don't obsess over the topic or really care, but maybe that's easy for me to do because of my white privilege.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #1017 on: November 01, 2017, 05:37:25 PM »
congrats, k-s-u-w and fox news. you guys deserve this

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« Reply #1018 on: February 01, 2018, 08:43:23 PM »
Apparently the Kurds are fighting back at ISIS by using humor in an SNL mocking musical parody the has the following lyrics about Jihadist fighters:

“We are bearded, dirty and filthy. … We are brainless with nothing in our heads.” “We are ISIS. We are ISIS,” “We milk the goat even if it is male.”

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« Reply #1019 on: February 03, 2018, 01:44:12 PM »
Apparently the Kurds are fighting back at ISIS by using humor in an SNL mocking musical parody the has the following lyrics about Jihadist fighters:

“We are bearded, dirty and filthy. … We are brainless with nothing in our heads.” “We are ISIS. We are ISIS,” “We milk the goat even if it is male.”

man the Kurds are savage AF

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« Reply #1020 on: February 04, 2018, 08:40:28 AM »
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« Reply #1021 on: February 04, 2018, 12:21:08 PM »
Mike Pence is so jelly right now.

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« Reply #1022 on: February 04, 2018, 12:25:02 PM »
Man even radical muslims are getting hit with the flu.
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« Reply #1023 on: March 05, 2018, 10:42:17 AM »
What a difference a year makes!

New York Times, February 20, 2017: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/world/europe/trump-pursues-his-attack-on-sweden-with-scant-evidence.html

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PALM BEACH, Fla. — On Friday night, Fox News aired an alarming six-minute segment in which the host, Tucker Carlson, interviewed a documentary filmmaker about a crisis of violence in Sweden ignited by the recent wave of Muslim migration.

“The government has gone out of its way to try to cover up some of these problems,” declared Ami Horowitz, the filmmaker.

“That is grotesque,” Mr. Carlson responded.

One of his viewers agreed, and in that moment was born a diplomatic incident that illustrates the unusual approach that President Trump takes to foreign policy, as well as the influence that television can have on his thinking. After watching the program, Mr. Trump threw a line into a speech the next day suggesting that a terrorist attack had occurred in Sweden the night before.

Just like that, without white papers, intelligence reports, an interagency meeting or, presumably, the advice of his secretary of state, the president started a dispute with a longtime American friend that resented his characterization and called it false. The president’s only discernible goal was to make the case domestically for his plans to restrict entry to the United States.

The Swedes were flabbergasted.

“We are used to seeing the president of the U.S. as one of the most well-informed persons in the world, also well aware of the importance of what he says,” Carl Bildt, a former prime minister of Sweden, said by email on Monday. “And then, suddenly, we see him engaging in misinformation and slander against a truly friendly country, obviously relying on sources of a quality that at best could be described as dubious.”

While aides sought to clarify that Mr. Trump’s remarks were about a rising tide of crime in general, rather than any particular event or attack, the president chose to escalate. In a Twitter post on Monday, he accused American journalists of glossing over a dark and dangerous situation in Sweden. “Give the public a break,” he wrote. “The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!”

Sweden’s prime minister, Stefan Lofven, responded hours later at a news conference, noting that Sweden ranks highly on international comparisons of economic competitiveness and human development.

“We have challenges, no doubt about that,” he allowed. But he added pointedly, “We must all take responsibility for using facts correctly and for verifying anything we spread.”

Sweden is hardly the first American friend to find itself uncomfortably at odds with the new president. Mexico’s president canceled a meeting with Mr. Trump over his plans to build a border wall and bill the United States’ southern neighbor for it. Mr. Trump reportedly lit into Australia’s prime minister over refugees in a telephone call that was said to have ended abruptly.

But the episode underscored that Mr. Trump obtains, processes and uses information differently from any modern president. He watches television at night and tends to incorporate what he sees into his Twitter feed, speeches and interviews.

“It begs the question of where the president gets his information as he articulates his administration’s global approach,” said Mark Brzezinski, the ambassador to Sweden under President Barack Obama. “To do so in an improvisational way, based on snippets picked up from cable news, is a major mistake.”

Immigration is a hotly debated issue in Sweden, Germany and many other European countries. Sweden, which prides itself as a humanitarian leader, processed a record 163,000 asylum applications in 2015. But statistics in Sweden do not back up the suggestion that immigrants have created a major crime wave.

New York Times, March 3, 2018: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.html

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Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security. The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.

Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. Last week two men from Uppsala, both in their 20s, were arrested on charges of throwing grenades at the home of a bank employee who investigates fraud cases.

An earlier jolt came with the death of Mr. Zuniga, who on Jan. 7 picked up the grenade, which the police believe had been thrown by members of a local gang targeting a rival gang or police officers.

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The influx of heavy weapons has caught Sweden’s criminal justice systems unprepared.

The border with Denmark is open, with insufficient personnel to search every vehicle entering the country. Hand grenades were, until last year, classified as “flammable products” rather than weapons, so sentences for detonating them were mild. The police are struggling to gather information in immigrant neighborhoods, and clearance rates for gun homicide cases have fallen steadily since the 1990s.

“We have lost the trust from the people who lived and worked in this area,” said Gunnar Appelgren, a police superintendent and specialist in gang violence.

Sweden’s far right-wing party blames the government’s liberal immigration policy for the rising crime, and will thrust the issue to the fore in the fall campaign.

Last year, Peter Springare, 61, a veteran police officer in Orebro, published a furious Facebook post saying violent crimes he was investigating were committed by immigrants from “Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown country, unknown country, Sweden.” It was shared more than 20,000 times; Mr. Springare has since been investigated twice by state prosecutors, once for inciting racial hatred, though neither resulted in charges.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #1024 on: June 26, 2018, 11:13:17 AM »
 https://www.yahoo.com/news/
Travel ban upheld by SCOTUS.
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