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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
heard this landrieu dude all over the radio this morning.  very impressive as a white man talking about race.  not running yet, but maybe.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/mitch-landrieu-2020-democrats-473648
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 21, 2018, 09:06:06 AM
He gets the herp derps down here so butthurt and riled up, it's amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 21, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
he looks like cal ripken jr
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 21, 2018, 09:20:01 PM
Out of work BOOK SELLER.   :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
Empty chair could beat Donald Trump at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 21, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
The speech about removing the statues was a pretty good speech
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 21, 2018, 11:54:53 PM
The speech about removing the statues was a pretty good speech

Not according to guys who rode their motorcycles down here from Oklahoma and camped outside of their loser participation trophies for two weeks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2018, 08:36:37 AM
https://twitter.com/patrickhealynyt/status/982217302874574849
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 06, 2018, 08:39:08 AM
Bernie was too old in 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 08:46:07 AM
Ben Sasse is going to bodybag the rest of the 'pubs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 06, 2018, 08:47:02 AM
lol. Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
Joe Biden is super old now, still spry AF. hopefully he runs. he's my fav 'crat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 06, 2018, 08:51:27 AM
The democrats really need to put somebody out there that is under the age of 60. Honestly, a law that says you have to be under 65 to run, even for re-election, would be great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
bernie's not coming back to get his ass whipped again. hopefully. he seems like a generally great human being and I don't want him to have to endure that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 06, 2018, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: steve dave link=topic=40358.msg1823467#msg1823467 date=15230he 22367
Ben Sasse is going to bodybag the rest of the 'pubs

he doesn't seem like the type to primary his president.  but he does seem like the type that his party has firmly rejected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 06, 2018, 11:27:44 AM
Empty chair could beat Donald Trump at this point.

I don't know, he did beat an empty pantsuit last time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
Sys brings up a pretty good point that Ben sasse isn't a big enough piece of crap to get the required republican votes. Sorry sd  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 06, 2018, 11:45:38 AM
Ben Sasse would have better odds running as a democrat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 06, 2018, 12:04:51 PM
Ben Sasse is whitebread Marco Rubio.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
Ben Sasse is whitebread Marco Rubio.

take it to the 'crats section of the 'crats presidential candidate thread 'crat kid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 06, 2018, 01:06:32 PM
I think Joe Biden, Bernie, and this Landrieu fucktard would all make excellent cannon fodder for Trump.  Good choices!

I'd add Elizabeth Warren and HRC.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on April 06, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
It'll be Biden. Would love if he chose Kander as running mate. Bernie could try I suppose, he would rob a lot of trump's base supporters. But the democratic party should give him a more fair shake.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Old people can eff off
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 06, 2018, 01:36:08 PM
Old people can eff off
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
Old people can eff off

They won’t though, because old people are still alive for two things: to get the mail and vote. And there’s no mail today because of rough ridin' flag day or some crap.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on April 06, 2018, 08:14:22 PM
my $ is on Booker...I also think Biden would wax Trump if he got the nom...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 06, 2018, 08:49:56 PM
my $ is on Booker...I also think Biden would wax Trump if he got the nom...

Obviously he would, good grief at any downgrade wondering at this point


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 06, 2018, 09:03:36 PM
Seriously the dems could trot out the corpse of JFK and beat Trump at this point.  His approval rating is like 25%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 06, 2018, 09:12:31 PM
Seriously the dems could trot out the corpse of JFK and beat Trump at this point.  His approval rating is like 25%.

:dunno:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar05 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar05)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 06, 2018, 10:09:04 PM
Old people can eff off

They won’t though, because old people are still alive for two things: to get the mail and vote. And there’s no mail today because of rough ridin' flag day or some crap.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 07, 2018, 01:07:29 AM
Kamala Harris  :crossfingers:

Love Jason Kander too, guy with the greatest political ad OAT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqOApBLPio)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 07, 2018, 07:44:40 AM
The whackadoos centralizing their entire voting block in a dozen broke dick cities has proven a poor strategy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 07, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
The Democrats could take an enormous risk and run the most popular politician and the country, but they definitely won't do that. Instead they could run a former prosecutor or a guy who's greatest political moment thus far was losing statewide office.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 07, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
Surely the most ambitious of Democrats are lickong their chops to take on the most unpopular President in modern history.  I mean no way the DNC attempts to subvert their own parties nomination process again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 07, 2018, 09:09:52 AM
The Democrats could take an enormous risk and run the most popular politician and the country, but they definitely won't do that. Instead they could run a former prosecutor or a guy who's greatest political moment thus far was losing statewide office.

Yeah, Kander’s not a great choice right now, but he is an awesome dude.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 07, 2018, 09:26:16 AM
I have full confidence that the Democrats (my party) will find spectacular ways to eff this up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 07, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
Kamala Harris  :crossfingers:

Love Jason Kander too, guy with the greatest political ad OAT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqOApBLPio)
TY SinBen, for finding the next POTUS!!!  Won't be a Dem thou; they are gun hating a-holes.  Can't be a Pub thou; they are in love with Dumpht.  Would need to be write in.   :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2018, 11:16:19 AM
The Democrats could take an enormous risk and run the most popular politician and the country, but they definitely won't do that. Instead they could run a former prosecutor or a guy who's greatest political moment thus far was losing statewide office.
Lots of Democrats really really hate Bernie. Probably more than any Republicans
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 07, 2018, 08:32:16 PM
The Democrats could take an enormous risk and run the most popular politician and the country, but they definitely won't do that. Instead they could run a former prosecutor or a guy who's greatest political moment thus far was losing statewide office.
Lots of Democrats really really hate Bernie. Probably more than any Republicans
It's not Dems and Pubs, but upper class that fear him.  He's for the working class, and therefore, a threat to the way big gov. collects tax.  That's why the majority of his supporters were middle class.  He was very poplar with young people, due to his speeches about getting big gov. off the working man's back. 

I know he sounds like a commie, but is he?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2018, 08:31:30 AM
https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/986231405024817153

Yes, will be very stupid for all involved.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 17, 2018, 10:22:55 AM
As long as the Dems run a somewhat normal functioning white adult male not named Bernie sanders, they will run away with a win.

Stevedave or millions of other white adult males would crush trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 18, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/holder.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)


said he is thinking of running.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 18, 2018, 10:11:49 AM
Ted Lieu checks all the boxes, imho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 18, 2018, 12:10:55 PM
As long as the Dems run a somewhat normal functioning white adult male not named Bernie sanders, they will run away with a win.

Stevedave or millions of other white adult males would crush trump.

Martin Heinrich is your man



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 18, 2018, 12:16:30 PM
is he running for president?  i only know him from gazing lovingly into jeff flake's eyes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
Name sounds too nazi-ish
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 18, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
Andrew Cuomo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 18, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
Jay Inslee
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2018, 05:16:53 PM
Senate Candidate LOL

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/988886046925623296?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 24, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 24, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
That is very funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 25, 2018, 11:44:30 PM
this guy needs a wedgie.

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/989233537646841857
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: renocat on July 04, 2018, 05:31:59 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/04/politics/michael-avenatti-trump-2020-presidential-run/index.html
Whorey Daniel's lawyer thinks that he can beat Trump.
Whorey can beat the Trump, but not Avenatti
What should his campaign slogan be?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 04, 2018, 08:00:10 PM
this guy needs a wedgie.

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/989233537646841857

He’s a giant nerd, but ima vote for him anyway


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 04, 2018, 09:44:03 PM
He’s a giant nerd, but ima vote for him anyway

you should look at how he votes and not how he talks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 04, 2018, 10:46:08 PM
Trump plz!#MAGA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 15, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1018482780072706048
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2018, 10:18:14 AM
Joe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
i'm intrigued by o'rourke.  be interested to see his demographics in the senate vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on July 15, 2018, 04:50:51 PM
Joe is too rough ridin' old, he missed his chance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 15, 2018, 04:53:16 PM
I’d vote for a 110 year old Joe at this point
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 05:11:26 PM
here's my o'rourke argument.  he's young and charismatic, good-looking and can talk policy without making a fool of himself.  he's a white man at a time when white men are running screaming from the democratic party.  his support in texas shows he's rough ridin' catnip to suburban whites (i wanna say suburban white women, but i don't know if that's true or if i'm just making a pandering assumption).  he should be able to pull hispanics, although it hasn't shown up yet.

and he's from texas and if the democrats can take texas, basically no matter what happens elsewhere, they win.


but, i'd like to see that he can at least hold his own among blacks and hispanics this fall before going too far down this road.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Beto is interesting. Tons of vocal support in texas, but I can't help but think he's going to still get decimated by Ted rough ridin' cruz
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on July 15, 2018, 05:17:03 PM
No way he can avoid the trump moniker death trap. The graveyard is littered with lyin ted crooked Hillary and little Marco
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 05:24:03 PM
I can't help but think he's going to still get decimated by Ted rough ridin' cruz

i'm not sure that matters to me in terms of his 2020 viability.  i guess the margin does matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2018, 05:34:17 PM
It was 56-40 in 2012, what is your acceptable margin?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
he's probably gotta be up around 46 at a minimum.  maybe i could talk myself into 44 or 45 if there's a huge turnout.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 15, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
Let’s have Beto actually beat Cruz before we wonder if he is a presidential candidate. Good grief.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 05:52:00 PM
actually that's just talking out my ass.  i'd want to see demographics and turnouts more than one particular overall number.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 05:56:13 PM
Let’s have Beto actually beat Cruz before we wonder if he is a presidential candidate. Good grief.

nah.  he doesn't need to beat cruz to be an attractive candidate.  i'd have a lot more confidence in someone who can come close in texas than (as an example) a first-term senator from california who didn't face a competitive primary challenge and barely even had to campaign to win the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 15, 2018, 06:46:24 PM
Let’s have Beto actually beat Cruz before we wonder if he is a presidential candidate. Good grief.

nah.  he doesn't need to beat cruz to be an attractive candidate.  i'd have a lot more confidence in someone who can come close in texas than (as an example) a first-term senator from california who didn't face a competitive primary challenge and barely even had to campaign to win the general.

Well the dems aren’t going to win Texas in 2020 so your reason for liking Beto is doomed to begin with.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 07:44:41 PM
well, that wasn't my argument, obviously.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 15, 2018, 07:55:02 PM
The Dems need a white male who is liberal enough to satisfy their whackadoodle base while at the same time having a relatively scant paper trail to plausibly run as a moderate in the general. It becomes a tougher balancing act as the Dems get more extreme. So who is that?

It’s defintiely not Booker, Harris, or Fauxahontas. LOL. Biden seems like legitimately their best shot and he’ll be 76? Good lord, what 8 years of Obama/Clinton did to the Dems....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 08:10:26 PM
The Dems need a white male who is liberal enough to satisfy their whackadoodle base while at the same time having a relatively scant paper trail to plausibly run as a moderate in the general. It becomes a tougher balancing act as the Dems get more extreme. So who is that?

ksu_w has betomania.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 15, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
I’ve found it is always a good idea to listen to your ideological enemies who would never vote for you and wish to completely destroy your entire political project for strategic election advice.

The odd part about this is Hillary Clinton tried to appeal to moderate republicans and suburban whites and got completely owned because they all have hated her for 30 years.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 09:18:37 PM
I’ve found it is always a good idea to listen to your ideological enemies who would never vote for you and wish to completely destroy your entire political project for strategic election advice.

The odd part about this is Hillary Clinton tried to appeal to moderate republicans and suburban whites and got completely owned because they all have hated her for 30 years.

i'll be honest, ksu_w coming along with my exact same hypothesis does make me question it.


not really the same thing as clinton.  white people mostly didn't like her in 2016 (she did get something of a white bonus in 2008), so even though she tried to go get white women, she was the wrong person for the job.  oth, basically no one hates orourke.  they either don't know him or they like him.  but if you look at his poll numbers, white urbans and suburbans just melt in his hand, at least in texas.  he's also pretty different on policy (although he's enough of an unknown quantity at this point that he can probably go anywhere).  he's pretty liberal but projects a moderate persona.  kinda the opposite of clinton.

he has to prove he can get blacks to turn out for him.  obviously, it does nothing to hold onto the last few white male democrats left in america if you can't turn out minorities (i'm pretty confident that eventually he'd get hispanics.  he's not doing great with them statewide now, but he did fine in his district previously).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 09:27:10 PM
he also needs to prove he can actually get white women.  when liblib asked earlier about what % i'd want to see in the senate election, i should have said:  i want to see him win women overall, overperform with white women and to turnout black voters. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 15, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Pretty sure all white women are now Democrats and pretty enthusiastic about voting against Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 15, 2018, 10:37:56 PM
Beto is going to be another Jason Kander.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 15, 2018, 11:02:50 PM
Pretty sure all white women are now Democrats and pretty enthusiastic about voting against Trump.

without looking at any numbers, i'd guess white women in texas are somewhere around 70% r/lean r.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 15, 2018, 11:34:20 PM
Pretty sure all white women are now Democrats and pretty enthusiastic about voting against Trump.

You can't be serious.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 16, 2018, 12:08:05 AM
Quote
white women, a majority of whom backed Trump in 2016, now say they intend to vote for Democratic House candidates in 2018 by a 14-point margin

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/trump-midterms-gender-gap.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 16, 2018, 12:41:01 AM
I’m gonna go ahead and assume that that polling won’t turn out to be as accurate as you think it will. Sure, some will flip, but if the pussy grabbing tape didn’t make them cross over in 2016, I doubt the things he’s done since will have the earth-shattering effect some people think. Just my hunch though, so who knows.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 16, 2018, 12:46:48 AM
The majority of Trump’s support was women and people of color.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 16, 2018, 01:00:54 AM
I doubt the things he’s done since will have the earth-shattering effect some people think.

Rowe v. Wade??? Separating toddlers from mothers???
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 16, 2018, 06:04:37 PM
I mean yeah, but these people are stupid and have bad memories. Also, not all women are pro-choice. Look at anti-abortion protests. Lots of women want to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 11:26:11 AM
ok.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/23/tim-ryan-presidential-run-2020/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 26, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22554864/beto-orourke-interview-texas-senate/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 29, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22554864/beto-orourke-interview-texas-senate/

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1022535484755648513
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 30, 2018, 07:52:17 AM
Really though? I just don’t see him having a snowball’s chance in hell.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
a snowball's chance in hell at what?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 30, 2018, 01:05:42 PM
Responding to the article you posted:

Quote
He's a Kennedyesque longshot in a roiling red state, but the Democrat from Texas just might have a chance at unseating Ted Cruz.

I just don't think there is any chance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
i think silver has said he'd guess that orourke has something like a 20% chance at the senate seat.  that was just a ballpark guess, not a result from a model and it was several polls ago, so he might guess a little lower now.

but regardless, this is a thread for 2020 presidential candidates, not 2018 texas senate candidates.  winning the senate seat might be detrimental to him deciding to run for president.  at any rate, it certainly isn't necessary for him to win the senate seat in order to run for president.  i mention him in this thread because he's the only young democrat i've noticed with a shred of charisma (other than deval patrick, maybe).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 06:11:57 PM
ammendum - booker is charismatic as eff, but it's that old school bill clinton style "i feel your pain" charisma that reads as super fake.  i think he's out of step with the authenticity mood of the current electorate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 30, 2018, 06:20:53 PM
i think silver has said he'd guess that orourke has something like a 20% chance at the senate seat.  that was just a ballpark guess, not a result from a model and it was several polls ago, so he might guess a little lower now.

but regardless, this is a thread for 2020 presidential candidates, not 2018 texas senate candidates.  winning the senate seat might be detrimental to him deciding to run for president.  at any rate, it certainly isn't necessary for him to win the senate seat in order to run for president.  i mention him in this thread because he's the only young democrat i've noticed with a shred of charisma (other than deval patrick, maybe).

yeah booker is a consumate politician.  I don't think deval patrick is very charismatic, but I've never really seen him speak much at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 06:30:36 PM
i've seen patrick speak, and he's a very good speaker, but i don't know how charismatic he comes across in less formal interactions.  he's also got a bain capital cross hanging around his neck that probably isn't helpful.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on July 30, 2018, 06:36:20 PM
The democrats cater to all the excitable minorities, how can they not have a bevy of charismatic candidates?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 06:37:38 PM
how can they not have a bevy of charismatic candidates?

perhaps they will emerge.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 30, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
ammendum - booker is charismatic as eff, but it's that old school bill clinton style "i feel your pain" charisma that reads as super fake.  i think he's out of step with the authenticity mood of the current electorate.

Julian Castro is the real deal.  I'd put him well ahead of Beto and at least equal to Booker.  He also has a pretty Obama-esque vibe that a lot of people will probably be craving after another year of this crap show.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 07:30:33 PM
he would be interesting.  i wasn't aware he was that serious about running.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 30, 2018, 07:34:09 PM
Super long shot I guess but I like the Garcetti guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 30, 2018, 07:51:57 PM
I don't know who any of these crazy ass losers are, but without a substantive platform that is something other than the b.o. train wreck I don't see a viable option against the freight train economy delivered by trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 30, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
And "we have to stop trump from doing whatever it is he isn't doing" is not a substantive policy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 08:14:07 PM
if castro was president he could do all sorts of fun switcheroo stuff with his brother.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Generic Dem is the best candidate I’ve seen from them so far

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1026224927425417217?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 06, 2018, 07:40:01 PM
I am about 40% sure the DNC is going to eff this up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on August 06, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
 The only way trump doesn’t get re-elected is if mueller takes him down.  The democrats don’t have a viable candidate to beat an incumbent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 06, 2018, 09:05:05 PM
I'm sure running a communist will swing 40 midwest electoral votes back to the dems. Afterall, its what everyone is too scared to say they really want...to be more like russia and Venezuela
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2018, 09:10:59 PM
I'm sure running a communist will swing 40 midwest electoral votes back to the dems. Afterall, its what everyone is too scared to say they really want...to be more like russia and Venezuela

I see your communist and I raise you a Corey Stewart and Holocaust denier.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 06, 2018, 09:12:59 PM
The black guy from new jersey and Bernie's running mate???

I thought they were socialists
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 06, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
I'm sure running a communist will swing 40 midwest electoral votes back to the dems. Afterall, its what everyone is too scared to say they really want...to be more like russia and Venezuela

I see your communist and I raise you a Corey Stewart and Holocaust denier.

The black guy from new jersey and Bernie's running mate???

I thought they were socialists

No big surprise here that FSD thinks all Coreys look alike
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 06, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/films/2016/09/21/550585-lost-boys_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqRTDFWzFp3E-4o7BA6arqd6aG0-VOuS4NOOWkNcNI5uE.jpg?imwidth=1240
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on August 07, 2018, 08:43:32 AM
The only way trump doesn’t get re-elected is if mueller takes him down.  The democrats don’t have a viable candidate to beat an incumbent.

i'm with you here ww; there are just so many dusty white people
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2018, 08:46:09 AM
The only way trump doesn’t get re-elected is if mueller takes him down.  The democrats don’t have a viable candidate to beat an incumbent.

i'm with you here ww; there are just so many dusty white people

One really bad flu season would doom Trump, too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 07, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
The only way trump doesn’t get re-elected is if mueller takes him down.  The democrats don’t have a viable candidate to beat an incumbent.

i'm with you here ww; there are just so many dusty white people
JFC  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on August 07, 2018, 09:09:55 AM
I think Biden is just about the perfect candidate to go against Trump.  He has experience and can be presidential while also shooting back at Trump's cheapshots.  Carrying PA would help. Downsides are that he is pretty old and may have a tough time building momentum being an established candidate.

I don't think Elizabeth Warren or other long established candidate is a great bet.  I would worry some about the demographics in running a Dem from California or Texas, but if Beto beats Cruz then :dunno:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on August 07, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
See I told you guys there are people who are serious about joe Biden as a serious candidate. It’s amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 07, 2018, 09:24:27 AM
i'm with you here ww; there are just so many dusty white people

good example here of mocat engaging in social signaling, more or less as described in the free speech thread.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on August 07, 2018, 09:30:28 AM
i'm with you here ww; there are just so many dusty white people

good example here of mocat engaging in social signaling, more or less as described in the free speech thread.

this is accurate. the term came from a black person (dave chappelle)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 07, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
the term isn't relevant.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on August 07, 2018, 09:45:57 AM
See I told you guys there are people who are serious about joe Biden as a serious candidate. It’s amazing.

I mean, Trump is president and you're dismissing candidates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 07, 2018, 09:50:35 AM
The only way trump doesn’t get re-elected is if mueller takes him down.  The democrats don’t have a viable candidate to beat an incumbent.
Yep, and they look like they might tea party themselves with the democratic socialist/SJW wing of the party too. 

Could argue Bernie already did this in 2016
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on August 07, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
See I told you guys there are people who are serious about joe Biden as a serious candidate. It’s amazing.

I mean, Trump is president and you're dismissing candidates

The double down!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 19, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
the only other democratic politician that gets coverage like this is ocasio-cortez.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-texas-senate-midterms
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 19, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
Quote
O’Rourke may actually be the once-in-a-lifetime candidate his supporters claim he is. He has a distinct presidential aura, and there’s a certain romance to his campaign, as Frank Bruni recently put it in the New York Times.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 19, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
Did you guys hear what Cuomo said recently at a rally? I think he was considered a likely 2020 candidate. Well not anymore but at least up until last week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on August 19, 2018, 08:38:47 PM
The only one the Crats would have any kind of a chance with would be Kennedy.  He looks just like his grandpa.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 19, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Beto?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on August 19, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
Beto?


Sweaty Beto?   :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 19, 2018, 08:54:06 PM
Beto?

are you a texan, spracne?
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 19, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Beto?

are you a texan, spracne?

He went to KU and since he goes to UT now thinks he is a Texan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 19, 2018, 09:03:34 PM
Beto?

are you a texan, spracne?
I suppose so. I've lived in Texas for 15 years, cumulatively. Graduated from the University of Texas. That said, it's not important to me to be considered a "Texan," and I know little about Beto other than the fact that he seems to be generating a ton of buzz with folks.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 19, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
and a white fellow, if i don't miss my guess?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 19, 2018, 09:13:57 PM
Or so I'm lead to believe.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 19, 2018, 09:19:44 PM
well, then.  by my calculations, there's about a 72% chance you'll come down with betomania.  please post your symptoms here as soon as you recognize them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 20, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1031181201191653376?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 20, 2018, 01:34:14 PM
Imma vote for him (although I probably would have voted for most Dems over Ted Cruz).  I still don't think he's even going to come close to winning, but hey it would be a nice surprise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 20, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1031181201191653376

Welp. He's got my vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on August 20, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
Need to know what he ordered or if he was just boardin' and loiterin'.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
Need to know what he ordered or if he was just boardin' and loiterin'.

(https://imagexshirts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/triple-meat-whataburger-liberal-shirt.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 21, 2018, 08:45:15 PM
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1032017750829531142
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on August 21, 2018, 09:14:04 PM
Kinda Joel osteen-y delivery
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 21, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
David hogg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 21, 2018, 09:26:29 PM
Too facts-y. We don’t need to know all the stuff you learned in history of the civil rights movement.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 22, 2018, 03:53:03 PM
another beto and ted's excellent senate race story.

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1032291493606842369
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 22, 2018, 04:41:36 PM
David hogg
Don't ruin him for me.  :shakesfist: I'd vote for that guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 05:08:36 PM
David hogg
Don't ruin him for me.  :shakesfist: I'd vote for that guy.

YES!

WC has a big heart and should probably be a lib.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 22, 2018, 06:26:49 PM
Nice call there chum


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
So a guy with a criminal record whose family launders cartel drug money is the demotards answer to trump???


Pfffft, bwahahahaha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 23, 2018, 11:06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1032430108290756608
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 31, 2018, 06:27:19 AM
peter hamby gets it.

Quote
The blue checkmark Twitter experts will say that O’Rourke can’t run if he wins in November, especially after attacking Cruz for his own presidential run in 2016. That might be true. Winning a Senate race and flying straight to Iowa would be audacious, way more brazen than Obama’s decision to run after just two years in Washington. But what the wise men of Washington are absolutely wrong about is this: O’Rourke can absolutely run for president if he loses.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/could-beto-orourke-be-the-next-obama?mbid=social_twitter

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 31, 2018, 06:28:02 AM
libby watson has betomania.

https://splinternews.com/the-texas-gop-cant-stop-pointing-out-how-hot-beto-orour-1828684175
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 31, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Only Ted Cruz would think of pointing out how cool someone is as an attack ad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on August 31, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
peter hamby gets it.

Quote
The blue checkmark Twitter experts will say that O’Rourke can’t run if he wins in November, especially after attacking Cruz for his own presidential run in 2016. That might be true. Winning a Senate race and flying straight to Iowa would be audacious, way more brazen than Obama’s decision to run after just two years in Washington. But what the wise men of Washington are absolutely wrong about is this: O’Rourke can absolutely run for president if he loses.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/could-beto-orourke-be-the-next-obama?mbid=social_twitter

That guy actually seems pretty real, genuine, cool, down to earth, smart, etc.  But then I remember he has political aspirations and is running for office so he is actually a piece of human garbage.  Sad a guy like that has decided to go into politics rather than trying to make a difference with his life.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 05, 2018, 11:49:20 PM
the people crave beto news, so beto news they must have.

https://twitter.com/amanbatheja/status/1037444049609912327
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 14, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
Maybe not the best thread, but Beto related...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/09/13/willie-nelson-fans-furious-over-announcement-that-hell-headline-rally-for-democratic-candidate-beto-orourke.html

Bunch of dumb Republicans are shocked and offended that the nation's most famous hippie stoner is supporting a goddamn librul.

:ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 17, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1041723805331345409
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407369-poll-beto-orourke-leads-cruz-by-2-points-in-texas-senate-race

These Texas polls are all over the place.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on September 19, 2018, 02:37:40 PM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407369-poll-beto-orourke-leads-cruz-by-2-points-in-texas-senate-race

These Texas polls are all over the place.

I have a hard time believing that Cruz is as close to Beto among Hispanic voters as the Quinnipiac poll suggests.  On the other hand, I have a hard time believing Beto has a 2 point lead. 

I'd imagine Cruz will win but Trump saying he knew Ted was a loser since the primaries could be fun.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 19, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407369-poll-beto-orourke-leads-cruz-by-2-points-in-texas-senate-race

These Texas polls are all over the place.

I have a hard time believing that Cruz is as close to Beto among Hispanic voters as the Quinnipiac poll suggests. 

not saying you're a white progressive, but white progressives have a hard time believing latinos aren't as interested in voting for them as they think they should be.  the last bad beto poll had some great twitter examples.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on September 20, 2018, 11:34:24 AM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407369-poll-beto-orourke-leads-cruz-by-2-points-in-texas-senate-race

These Texas polls are all over the place.

I have a hard time believing that Cruz is as close to Beto among Hispanic voters as the Quinnipiac poll suggests. 

not saying you're a white progressive, but white progressives have a hard time believing latinos aren't as interested in voting for them as they think they should be.  the last bad beto poll had some great twitter examples.

This is probably accurate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 20, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
I don't think we want a guy whose family launders money for Mexican drug cartels being president, which is his sole source of wealth. I mean, that could create some pretty big problems.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 20, 2018, 05:42:35 PM
It's what really held back cocaine mitch
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2018, 06:46:47 PM
I don't think we want a guy whose family launders money for Mexican drug cartels being president, which is his sole source of wealth. I mean, that could create some pretty big problems.

He will never make it past the FBI background check
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 20, 2018, 08:39:55 PM
beto will absolutely not beat cruz in texas. which isn't important to this tread but is a fact. it's like a kansas beto beating whatever wet bag we republicans trot out in ks. it's impossible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 21, 2018, 01:51:42 AM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/beto-orourke-is-crafting-his-own-mythology/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 21, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
https://twitter.com/forrest4trees/status/1043348671163719680?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 12:21:45 AM
at this point, i'm more afraid that cruz is going to fumble this away and let beto win than i am that he'll lose by so much that he's dismissed as a presidential contender.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
Holy crap

https://twitter.com/johnjharwood/status/1043289369954668549?s=21


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2018, 07:48:52 AM
There can’t be a more dislikable morally corrupt person out there than Ted Cruz. I’m even counting Trump and Hillary here.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2018, 08:12:05 AM
https://twitter.com/hemantmehta/status/1043481075043815424?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 22, 2018, 09:09:37 AM
It's very curious that the libtard moderates never have anything hateful to say about the leftist whackadoos (eg Feinstein, Gillibrand) who regularly say and do horrible things.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 22, 2018, 09:13:41 AM
Ted Cruz tweeted this like it was a negative for Beto to be talking to those blacks about injustice. What an unbelievable self-own

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1043278255740973058?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 22, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
It's very curious that the libtard moderates never have anything hateful to say about the leftist whackadoos (eg Feinstein, Gillibrand) who regularly say and do horrible things.
Were either of them nearly the party candidate for president recently? I’m guessing 8/10 people have no idea what Gillibrand even looks like. I know I couldn’t pick either one out of a police lineup.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 22, 2018, 01:00:44 PM
There can’t be a more dislikable morally corrupt person out there than Ted Cruz. I’m even counting Trump and Hillary here.


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Yeah, I’m still glad that Trump beat Cruz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
Ted Cruz tweeted this like it was a negative for Beto to be talking to those blacks about injustice. What an unbelievable self-own

unfortunately, this makes sense.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1043503957501517825
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 22, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
Beto won that debate, but not by much. The moderators on average asked very Beto-friendly questions which isn’t too surprising given Dallas definitely leans blue. His biggest challenge will be getting his supporters to register and actually vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on September 22, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
Beto will likey lose by 9+ points in November.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 02:08:02 PM
Beto will likey lose by 9+ points in November.

i bet he's under 6.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
He’s going to for certain lose though. It’s Texas.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 02:44:20 PM
it's likely, but not certain.  it all depends on turnout, and turnout is pretty hard to predict.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1043530060823703552
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 22, 2018, 05:32:43 PM
That video makes me dislike Beto.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
That video makes me dislike Beto.

you've already had your chance to catch betomania.  if you haven't fallen yet, you're unconvertible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 22, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
I really never took spracne for a Ted Cruz supporter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 22, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
Don't like Cruz (but admire his lawyering). I was pretty wait-and-see about Beto. I know he's supposed to be the cool guy or w/e, but after watching that video and thinking about it, I've realized that no, I don't want to hang out with that guy either. He's a spazz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 23, 2018, 03:26:49 PM
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1043958214117793794
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 23, 2018, 03:34:58 PM
Dang, spracne as a Cruz fanatic is disappointing


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 23, 2018, 11:06:11 PM
This person is a rough ridin' senator

Quote
"Guess who's perpetuating all of these kinds of actions?" Sen. Mazie Hirono explained, boiling down the Senate Democrats' position on Brett Kavanaugh. "It's the men in this country. I just want to say to the men in this country, just shut up. And step up. Do the right thing for a change."


I think she's the perfect dem candidate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on September 25, 2018, 11:48:41 AM
I'm off the Beto 2020 train. Most politicians, fine. Ted Cruz? eff that guy.

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1044585907204976642
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 25, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044552538689802240
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 25, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1044688463377756160
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 19, 2018, 01:37:37 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1053347275013935104
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 20, 2018, 06:35:54 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1053450757838639104
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on October 20, 2018, 06:37:05 PM
Dems have learned nothing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 20, 2018, 06:45:09 PM
Dems have learned nothing

They are bad at elections. It sucks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2018, 11:58:02 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/10/18/kamala-harris-tax-break-913131

It would be interesting to see how many Republicans vote against giving themselves a $6000 tax credit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2018, 12:11:24 PM
I like Harris but I am not at all in favor of more tax credits. We should be working to get rid of all of them in the first place
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 01, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
i assume that election day votes would be expected to close the margin.  but 8 points would not be impressive.  maybe it's time to look at gillum.


https://twitter.com/KonitzerTobias/status/1058103386141220864
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 06, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
good article.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-last-days-of-beto-mania-in-texas
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 07, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
i haven't looked at the demographics of his support yet, but beto's overall numbers were great.  hopefully dem primary voters will learn the lesson that people like to vote for likeable people.  beto says he's not interested in running for the presidency, and unfortunately, i believe him.  however, he has a year or so to change his mind.  he'd be crazy not to consider it.

on the other hand, gillum, my second choice couldn't beat a horrible candidate in de santis.  he even got outperformed by nelson, who may be legally dead.  he seems like a good candidate on paper, but he did not demonstrate that with the voters.

right now my third choice (i guess now moving up to second choice) is klobuchar.  she outperformed fellow minnesota democrat senate candidate smith by a good seven points.  solid if not spectacular, which is very on brand for her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 07, 2018, 10:16:54 AM
I’m just pumped that we can finally get this race started!  Get ready folks, it’s election time!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 07, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Did Beto get super hammered and try to kill innocent people on the highway last night?

Or is that only a celebratory act?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 07, 2018, 10:52:00 AM
Did Beto really cuss in front of his kids after the loss last night?  :frown: Man, right when I thought I kind of liked this guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 07, 2018, 11:01:30 AM
Do people actually care about DWIs from 20 years ago?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2018, 11:04:35 AM
Do people actually care about DWIs from 20 years ago?

Yes and strip club activity
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 07, 2018, 11:41:50 AM
Depends, do you care about your loved ones?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 07, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
Do people actually care about DWIs from 20 years ago?

Naw, anything from 10+ years ago that would make you question someones character should be forgotten.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 07, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
Do people actually care about DWIs from 20 years ago?

Naw, anything from 10+ years ago that would make you question someones character should be forgotten.

I just think there is a pretty big difference in maturity in most people at age 26 compared to age 46. 26 is a little old to still be drinking and driving, but as long as it's his only brush with the law, I don't see it as a big deal. A DUI at 36 would indicate a high likelihood of a pretty serious drinking problem and would be harder for me to ignore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
It’s a factor for sure


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 07, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1060324749472088064
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 08, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1060602932889030658
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 08, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1060602932889030658
Who?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on November 08, 2018, 01:22:38 PM
Best to get started early if nobody knows who the hell you are
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 09, 2018, 01:47:21 PM
Do people actually care about DWIs from 20 years ago?

Naw, anything from 10+ years ago that would make you question someones character should be forgotten.

I just think there is a pretty big difference in maturity in most people at age 26 compared to age 46. 26 is a little old to still be drinking and driving, but as long as it's his only brush with the law, I don't see it as a big deal. A DUI at 36 would indicate a high likelihood of a pretty serious drinking problem and would be harder for me to ignore.

I was being sarcastic. A level headed person understands how someone can develop and mature.

When it comes to people in politics, though. Thoughts on how someone has developed/matured from past mistakes/events depends completely on which side is providing the narrative.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 11, 2018, 12:21:15 AM
some good words on betomania and texas democrats.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/beto-orourke-lostbut-profoundly-changed-texas/575521/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 11, 2018, 12:21:35 PM
So now we're gonna look for deep meaning bw the mids and presidential election. It's cute how much you enjoy telling yourself what you want to hear.  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 12, 2018, 09:34:10 AM
I like this guy a lot.

https://twitter.com/JessicaWehrman/status/1062003739224088582
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2018, 12:04:37 PM
Add another old white dude to the lineup!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 12, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/11/richard-ojeda-2020-president/  (https://theintercept.com/2018/11/11/richard-ojeda-2020-president/)   :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 15, 2018, 12:34:10 PM
 :love:

https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1063122644227317763
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2018, 12:50:20 PM
Cusses in front of his kids and endangers you loved ones by driving drunk on the reg.  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 19, 2018, 08:03:06 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353


i've heard a fair bit of stacy abrams on the radio the last few days.  she's very impressive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 19, 2018, 08:56:24 PM
Pffffft.  :lol:

Why pick a loser, when that Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) girl from NY is available???
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on November 19, 2018, 09:05:22 PM
Cusses in front of his kids and endangers you loved ones by driving drunk on the reg.  :frown:

no offense, and i understand it's a serious problem now, and wouldn't do it, but if you weren't dd-ing a little bit in the 90s you weren't partying
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 19, 2018, 09:08:26 PM
Cusses in front of his kids and endangers you loved ones by driving drunk on the reg.  :frown:

no offense, and i understand it's a serious problem now, and wouldn't do it, but if you weren't dd-ing a little bit in the 90s you weren't partying

His willingness to do it shows lack of judgment, which one could conceivably contribute to youth. But more importantly, his inability to ride dirty cleanly shows lack of competence.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 19, 2018, 09:10:36 PM
Also, we shouldn't just brush aside statistical indicators of chemical dependency. Not sure if he's addressed this publicly, but most DUI cases tend to coincide with same.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 19, 2018, 09:11:36 PM
I'm just gonna be brave and say it: Don't drink and drive, folks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 19, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
When applied to an individual, yes we should probably brush those aside. Especially an individual we have a lot more information about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 19, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
So, white guy goes by beto to pretend he's Hispanic. Acts like a self-centered pos. Yeah, I can see the the Obama comparison.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on November 19, 2018, 10:54:41 PM
So, white guy goes by beto to pretend he's Hispanic. Acts like a self-centered pos. Yeah, I can see the the Obama comparison.

right, just like barry owens went by barack obama to seem like some middle eastern terrorist...wait, what?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/1067161094005841923

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 26, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
so dumb
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 08:11:24 PM
I'm sure it's been covered somewhere, but why/how/when did he start going by "Beto"?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 26, 2018, 08:38:16 PM
A fourth-generation Irish American, his family always called him "Beto" (a common Spanish nickname for first names ending in "-berto") initially to distinguish him from his namesake grandfather.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:20:00 PM
A fourth-generation Irish American, his family always called him "Beto" (a common Spanish nickname for first names ending in "-berto") initially to distinguish him from his namesake grandfather.

Like as a joke, or?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
so dumb

your fat face is so dumb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
Shouldn’t blow his load in 2020, Trump is getting a second term.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
Shouldn’t blow his load in 2020, Trump is getting a second term.

I wouldn't be so certain. A market correction--quite likely--could turn the tide.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
Shouldn’t blow his load in 2020, Trump is getting a second term.

I wouldn't be so certain. A market correction--quite likely--could turn the tide.

that's backwards.  if the election was held today, trump would lose and it wouldn't be particularly close.  but two years is a long time and he might be in better shape when the election actually occurs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:47:07 PM
Shouldn’t blow his load in 2020, Trump is getting a second term.

I wouldn't be so certain. A market correction--quite likely--could turn the tide.

that's backwards.  if the election was held today, trump would lose and it wouldn't be particularly close.  but two years is a long time and he might be in better shape when the election actually occurs.

I'll defer to your alleged knowledge on these issues, but it's not clear to me how the mid-terms would map to a predictive model of a general election + electoral college. Seems to me like the economy is Trump's prize pig, and if it tanks, his newly found blue-collar, working-class base won't be energized. But I'm no wonk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2018, 09:51:26 PM
the generic ballot polls are basically the same as pres approval polls, and would almost certainly be very predictive of a presidential election.


you're right that in two years it's at least as likely that he's in worse shape as in better shape.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 03, 2018, 06:43:08 AM
Yes. Good.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1069565160216567808
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 03, 2018, 06:49:22 AM
Kamela is about the perfect age IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 04, 2018, 11:25:19 AM
Bad news for everyone.

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1070000911559192577
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 04, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2018, 07:24:10 AM
I'm all in on Beto.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1070091729599152128
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 05, 2018, 09:06:32 AM
he should pick abrams as his vp.

(separate thought) people seem apt to talk up harris as candidate.  i'm convinced most of them have very limited exposure to her and simply approve of her resume and/or identity.  she's an extremely boring candidate who radiates whatever the opposite of charisma is. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
Her age is in the sweet spot is basically all I was commenting on. How old is Beto?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
I agree with this tweet

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1062139391836147714

Personally I'm on the Klobuchar/Beto ticket train
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
What are the cliffs on Klobuchar?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 05, 2018, 09:28:39 AM
I’m curious how you can even call Beto underrated. He raised an insane amount of money for his senate campaign and people are still talking about him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
Possibly too old for ww (58), just won her third term for Minnesota senator
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 05, 2018, 09:32:46 AM
i like klobuchar too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 05, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
I’m curious how you can even call Beto underrated. He raised an insane amount of money for his senate campaign and people are still talking about him.

there are a lot of people that see him as the frontrunner, but there are also a lot of (really stupid) people that are like - "he hasn't even won a state-wide office, lol."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2018, 09:38:39 AM
Possibly too old for ww (58), just won her third term for Minnesota senator


I’d be fine if it was just for one term, then let Beto run in 2024.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
Look at this stud

Quote
Food policy   Edit
When the Healthy Hungry-Free Kids Act of 2010 raised the possibility that pizza would be eliminated from schools, threatening the $3 billion-dollar Schwan Company of Minnesota, Klobuchar petitioned the USDA to protect frozen pizzas in school lunches. This resulted in the sauce used in pizzas being counted as a serving of vegetables.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2018, 10:41:31 AM
I think Trump would suffer the biggest possible ass kicking against Beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2018, 10:45:50 AM
Trump crushed Cruz, Cruz crushed Beto, so I can see why you'd think that.

At this point, however, I kind of expect Trump to not run for reelection.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on December 05, 2018, 11:39:49 AM
there are a lot of people that see him as the frontrunner, but there are also a lot of (really stupid) people that are like - "he hasn't even won a state-wide office, lol."

imagine trumpers telling you with a straight face how Beto is unqualified
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on December 05, 2018, 11:55:40 AM
Look at this stud

Quote
Food policy   Edit
When the Healthy Hungry-Free Kids Act of 2010 raised the possibility that pizza would be eliminated from schools, threatening the $3 billion-dollar Schwan Company of Minnesota, Klobuchar petitioned the USDA to protect frozen pizzas in school lunches. This resulted in the sauce used in pizzas being counted as a serving of vegetables.

Any politician who doesn't stand up and fight to protect pizza will not get my vote.  That's a deal breaker.  It should be a litmus test IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Look at this stud

Quote
Food policy   Edit
When the Healthy Hungry-Free Kids Act of 2010 raised the possibility that pizza would be eliminated from schools, threatening the $3 billion-dollar Schwan Company of Minnesota, Klobuchar petitioned the USDA to protect frozen pizzas in school lunches. This resulted in the sauce used in pizzas being counted as a serving of vegetables.

Any politician who doesn't stand up and fight to protect pizza will not get my vote.  That's a deal breaker.  It should be a litmus test IMO.

Those bastards took that good will and sold to the Koreans, sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1072525084345188354
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
Someone else/DK/other: 28.8 percent
Beto O’Rourke: 15.6 percent
Joe Biden: 14.9 percent
Bernie Sanders: 13.1 percent
Kamala Harris: 10 percent
Elizabeth Warren: 6.4 percent
Sherrod Brown: 2.9 percent
Amy Klobuchar: 2.8 percent
Michael Bloomberg: 2.7 percent
Cory Booker: 2.6 percent

https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1072531894271655936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 12, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1072878783273807874
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
Would vote for Latino more down to earth Obama.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 25, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
David hogg

He will have to hustle through Harvard
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on December 25, 2018, 06:27:35 PM
gabbard is my jam

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
So you guys gonna go with old man Biden?  Yep that’s what you will do......
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on December 26, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Pervy Grandpa Joe v Pervy Don the Pussy Grabber.

What a race it will be!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 26, 2018, 06:49:16 PM
I do hope joe at least runs for the amazing entertainment that will be.  Especially if he makes it into the main debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Joe will try to get the upper hand and then Don will big time the crap out of him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on December 26, 2018, 06:56:37 PM
Joe is a great debater. I'll never forget how he shredded Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2018, 08:59:17 AM
Biden is upset at how much attention Obama is showing Beta
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 27, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFromWithin/status/1078020002727542784
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 27, 2018, 11:19:38 PM
Biden would be a good candidate if he were 15 years younger.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 27, 2018, 11:40:57 PM
Biden would be a good candidate if he were 15 years younger.
I wish Bernie was younger
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on December 28, 2018, 07:23:43 AM
[tweet]1078020002727542784[/tweet]
Yep. Definitely establishment dem. Not new school libby.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 08:35:45 AM
Biden would be a good candidate if he were 15 years younger.
If he were 15 years younger he'd still  be a huge homophobe voting against gay marriage.
Biden would be a good candidate if he were 15 years younger.
I wish Bernie was younger
WOOF!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 09:24:34 AM
The dem debates are going to be toughman-toughgirl contests with loads of toughtalk about who is     
rough, who is tough, and creme puff enough to take on Big Don.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 10:49:02 AM
The dem debates are going to be toughman-toughgirl contests with loads of toughtalk about who is     
rough, who is tough, and creme puff enough to take on Big Don.

No doubt.  Going to be quite a show
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/JaneMayerNYer/status/1081647563772751874
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 05, 2019, 09:46:40 PM
'crats should embrace Bernie fully, his platform is what they believe in, no reason to patty-cake around it just go for what ya know!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1082305464027754496
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2019, 06:42:07 PM
The frustrating part about "Bernie would've won" is there is a pretty good chance Bernie will win and then we can all agree that he would've won.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
The frustrating part about "Bernie would've won" is there is a pretty good chance Bernie will win and then we can all agree that he would've won.

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 09:32:59 PM
compared to my assumptions about how much people liked each candidate, gillibrand leaps off that graph.  wish they'd have included abrams.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 08, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
https://twitter.com/davidshor/status/806610986111291393
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
it's good when people aren't stupid.

https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1083106888089305088
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 10, 2019, 10:44:48 AM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1083402337417334785
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1083718104738349056
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 07:29:30 PM
sorry if already posted. dax, come get her ass.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/649615636088365058
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:13:55 PM
I have no idea who that person is.

Just let us know who is going to buy off the DNC this time. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
I have no idea who that person is.

Just let us know who is going to buy off the DNC this time.

You’re cruising the 20 crats thread and don’t know who tulsi is? I know you’re lying Dax. we all know.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 11, 2019, 08:20:54 PM
I have no idea who that person is.

Oh no, you bring her up randomly in this post and now don't know who she is. confused again  :frown:

I reckon using the "your friendly you have to be getting paid" logic. 

We can assume that Assad is paying off Tulsi Gabbard and the Saudi's, well, they apparently own everybody.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:21:36 PM
I have no idea who that person is.

Just let us know who is going to buy off the DNC this time.

You’re cruising the 20 crats thread and don’t know who tulsi is? I know you’re lying Dax. we all know.


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Never heard of this person.  Has she got enough cash and clout to buy control of the DNC?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:23:01 PM
I have no idea who that person is.

Oh no, you bring her up randomly in this post and now don't know who she is. confused again  :frown:

I reckon using the "your friendly you have to be getting paid" logic. 

We can assume that Assad is paying off Tulsi Gabbard and the Saudi's, well, they apparently own everybody.

Lib pawns of thug dictators all start running together after awhile.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 11:16:50 PM
hahahahaha


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 12, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
I have no idea who that person is.

Oh no, you bring her up randomly in this post and now don't know who she is. confused again  :frown:

I reckon using the "your friendly you have to be getting paid" logic. 

We can assume that Assad is paying off Tulsi Gabbard and the Saudi's, well, they apparently own everybody.

:frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/us/politics/beto-orourke-democrats-president.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 19, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Oh crap dax got really really embarrassed
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 19, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
Yeah I felt bad for him too.  Old age and memory loss is a hell of a thing :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
https://twitter.com/patrickhealynyt/status/1087423054886498306
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2019, 02:31:54 PM
dax self own
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2019, 02:39:02 PM
i've said it before but it really does seem like self-owning is a uniquely trumper thing. i'm sure there are plenty of examples of "liberal" people self-owning but i don't remember seeing one
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
I hope he stays with "they all roll together" excuse for lying as it's the most trumpy excuse

but the "I am very old and get pretty confused at times" is the most likely non-lie reason
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 21, 2019, 02:57:15 PM
No need to pile on guys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 21, 2019, 05:14:54 PM
I don’t think the progressives will support her at all
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
I don't think the stuff from when she was AG will hurt her that much. Medicare for all is popular, but every dem candidate is going to support that. Harris is proposing a $6k tax credit for people making less than $100k, and I think a lot of people will vote for the extra $500 per month. It will be interesting to see how much taxes on the wealthy would need to be increased to pay for all of that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 21, 2019, 05:38:48 PM
Ugh, the tax credit crap has to stop
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 21, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
people should remember that none of this crap is gonna get through the senate and just ignore everything the candidates are proposing that would require legislation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 21, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
people should remember that none of this crap is gonna get through the senate and just ignore everything the candidates are proposing that would require legislation.

What is her foreign policy position
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 21, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
i dunno.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2019, 08:43:18 PM
 :combofan:
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.

Definitely a radical but the "Kamala's a Cop" thing is something you're hear a lot among less extreme progressives who should have shown that they can influence campaigns and elections.

What makes you call him an "admitted racist" though?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
:combofan:
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.

Definitely a radical but the "Kamala's a Cop" thing is something you're hear a lot among less extreme progressives who should have shown that they can influence campaigns and elections.

What makes you call him an "admitted racist" though?

Did you read his twitter feed? He admits to being a racist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2019, 09:10:08 PM
:combofan:
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.

Definitely a radical but the "Kamala's a Cop" thing is something you're hear a lot among less extreme progressives who should have shown that they can influence campaigns and elections.

What makes you call him an "admitted racist" though?

Did you read his twitter feed? He admits to being a racist.
I follow him but haven't seen that specific tweet.  He's retweeting a lot of compliments right now. He has definitely always had some strong views but I don't ever remember him saying "I'm a racist" which is why I was hoping you could provide something more specific.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 21, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
Everybody around here is very careful about throwing around the R word
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
:combofan:
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.

Definitely a radical but the "Kamala's a Cop" thing is something you're hear a lot among less extreme progressives who should have shown that they can influence campaigns and elections.

What makes you call him an "admitted racist" though?

Did you read his twitter feed? He admits to being a racist.
I follow him but haven't seen that specific tweet.  He's retweeting a lot of compliments right now. He has definitely always had some strong views but I don't ever remember him saying "I'm a racist" which is why I was hoping you could provide something more specific.

I didn't say he said "I'm a racist." That's obviously not required in order to brand someone a racist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
good grief I was just wondering what he specifically said that made you call him an "admitted racist" if it wasn't him saying "I'm a racist". I don't care now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
good grief I was just wondering what he specifically said that made you call him an "admitted racist" if it wasn't him saying "I'm a racist". I don't care now.

Just read his words?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2019, 11:54:46 PM
Obvious racist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2019, 12:54:32 AM
ok
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 22, 2019, 12:58:07 AM
Maybe I misjudged him if he's smart enough to monetize white guilt. Still racist tho. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/c3cc628e38536fd4f1fa196387a6d705.jpg)

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2019, 01:12:27 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1087929187174895616?s=19

Pretty funny replies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2019, 06:22:28 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1087929187174895616?s=19

Pretty funny replies

Man those replies delivered

https://twitter.com/avner_d/status/1087958775506583552?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 23, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
Spracne, have you considered that maybe you aren't the bellwether for the democratic primary?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2019, 09:49:37 AM
:combofan:
I see Harris as the most likely candidate to emerge at this point.

she is going to get a lot of flack for her stint as California AG.
A thread about this:

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1087395254930534400?s=19

That's a pretty radical, non-mainstream take, fwiw. I actually think Kamala is a pretty good candidate. That Blake guy is what I would call an admitted racist.

Definitely a radical but the "Kamala's a Cop" thing is something you're hear a lot among less extreme progressives who should have shown that they can influence campaigns and elections.

What makes you call him an "admitted racist" though?

Actions v. words and all that, but this is pretty good.

https://twitter.com/Politidope/status/1087350482710990848
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
Looks like we need to so more research to see if Harris actually walked that walk on all that talk, or whether as claimed, she was a full blown "bring them to heel"er.

Then again, LibDerp Nation had no problem showing up 63 million strong for the lead "Bring them to heel"er.

Just liked they loved all over Barack "send them back across the border" Obama.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Spracne, have you considered that maybe you aren't the bellwether for the democratic primary?
I'm the bellwether for not being a mindless reactionary doofus. So, whatever that is. Your ilk wants to put everyone in convenient boxes.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on January 23, 2019, 10:32:48 AM
What kind of box should we put his ilk in (I assume it would be an inconvenient one of course)?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
I would vote for Harris over Trump in the general. Sadly, the sentiment in this thread makes it unlikely she emerges as the nominee.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on January 23, 2019, 10:39:46 AM
I don't think anything in this thread will have an impact either way.  If so we should be charging a lot more for access to our data.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2019, 10:59:02 AM
I said the sentiment, which has already been amplified. Otherwise, you wouldn't have your talking points in order.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2019, 11:00:37 AM
I still believe Kamala will win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on January 23, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
I gotta be honest, I have read about ten posts in this thread, #331 through the last one. Is the sentiment that Harris is not radical enough?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2019, 11:07:13 AM
I still believe Kamala will win.

If Beto is convinced to run he would dog walk her in the primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2019, 11:08:21 AM
I still believe Kamala will win.

If Beto is convinced to run he would dog walk her in the primary.

Possibly. I'm just comparing the people currently in the race. Predictions might change as more enter.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2019, 09:25:24 PM
Kamala will not survive the democratic primary. I’m still hoping for Castro to rise to the top but it’s just gonna be so crowded.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 23, 2019, 09:32:04 PM
I don't like primary debates with a whole slew of candidates on stage.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
I absolutely love those.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
I absolutely love those.

You're right. I do too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 24, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
debates with like 10 people are amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
Remember the 17 gloids in '16 being touted as the best field of republican candidates ever? And then they ended up nominating trump....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 06:14:37 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/1088660023184687104?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 07:06:29 AM
https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/1088660023184687104?s=19
This was a great comment/gif combo

https://twitter.com/demariojackson_/status/1088661875376644097?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 26, 2019, 11:53:12 AM
Schultz is gonna eff over all you people now too.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1089132395444535297
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2019, 12:09:16 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtBr3QSgQrF/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=923woz965a1z

More fun comments
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
This was my question. Many are jumping to the conclusion that Schultz would take more votes from the Democratic candidate than from Trump. That doesn't seem obvious to me.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1089980357011742722
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 08:25:41 PM
This was my question. Many are jumping to the conclusion that Schultz would take more votes from the Democratic candidate than from Trump. That doesn't seem obvious to me.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1089980357011742722
I would vote the crap out of Howard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
This is the first time I've actually felt targeted by a politician.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 28, 2019, 08:55:55 PM
I'd vote Trump over Schultz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 08:58:39 PM
I'd vote Trump over Schultz.
Ok. I'm sure you're dying to expound on this, so go ahead . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2019, 09:09:29 PM
He sold the Supersonics to people that wanted to move out of town or something like that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
He sold the Supersonics to people that wanted to move out of town or something like that.
Before Trim lived in Seattle?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 09:59:41 PM
it's not that people are sure that schultz (who spells his name wrong) would take more voters from the democratic candidate, it's that he would introduce more uncertainty.  right now in a 1 on 1 race, trump loses.  a three-way race is less certain.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 10:12:43 PM
it's not that people are sure that schultz (who spells his name wrong) would take more voters from the democratic candidate, it's that he would introduce more uncertainty.  right now in a 1 on 1 race, trump loses.  a three-way race is less certain.

Schultz believes that Trump will get reelected if the Dems nominate a far-light candidate, and he's concerned they'll do so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 28, 2019, 10:21:32 PM
I'm with Spracne, fiscal conservatism and social libratarianism speaks to me.  I could be swayed under the right conditions especially if I thought he would be treated with respect by both fringes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 10:22:47 PM
Schultz offers this country an opportunity for absolution in a way no other candidate does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 10:34:42 PM
Schultz believes that Trump will get reelected if the Dems nominate a far-light candidate, and he's concerned they'll do so.

his solution to those concerns suggests that he's either stupid or that he has other concerns that outweigh his concern for trump's reelection.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 28, 2019, 10:36:04 PM
I'm leery about "outsiders" in the WH.  Historically they either seem easy to take advantage of or just suck at dealing with other politicians.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Schultz believes that Trump will get reelected if the Dems nominate a far-light candidate, and he's concerned they'll do so.

his solution to those concerns suggests that he's either stupid or that he has other concerns that outweigh his concern for trump's reelection.

Sadly, I don't give one single crap what you think, because you've proven to be blinded by your own biases.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 10:37:08 PM
fiscal conservatism and social libratarianism speaks to me.

trump campaigned on the exact opposite quadrant from fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism, and you latched onto him very early in the process.  voters are weird.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
Sadly, I don't give one single crap what you think, because you've proven to be blinded by your own biases.

that's quite funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 10:39:48 PM
Sadly, I don't give one single crap what you think, because you've proven to be blinded by your own biases.

that's quite funny.

Explain. I like humor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 10:40:11 PM
I'm leery about "outsiders" in the WH.  Historically they either seem easy to take advantage of or just suck at dealing with other politicians.

well, you needn't worry, he has no chance whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2019, 10:42:15 PM
Explain. I like humor.

you can't even tell when i'm expressing one of my biases.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2019, 10:49:57 PM
Explain. I like humor.

you can't even tell when i'm expressing one of my biases.

No, you can't even tell when I can tell when you're expressing one of your biases. What now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 28, 2019, 11:13:17 PM
fiscal conservatism and social libratarianism speaks to me.

trump campaigned on the exact opposite quadrant from fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism, and you latched onto him very early in the process.  voters are weird.

Trump campaigned on fiscally conservative policy all over the yard, and he transparently doesn't give an eff about much else, obviously he gives the appropriate amount of lip service to the social issues. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2019, 03:52:22 AM
The disconnect between what trump says and what trump voters hear is pretty fascinating
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
Trump is the most fiscally liberal president we have ever had.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2019, 09:00:35 AM
Trump literally DNGAF about spending and never has said anything indicating to the contrary. I don’t think it would be possible to elect a less fiscally responsible politician.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 29, 2019, 09:06:33 AM
The dems have backed themselves into a corner. The nominee has to be a minority woman since everyone else is a misogynist racist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 29, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
Trump is the most fiscally liberal president we have ever had.

easily
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on January 29, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
The dems have backed themselves into a corner. The nominee has to be a minority woman since everyone else is a misogynist racist.

meanwhile pubs have shown to have no idealistic base

nom just has to be old and white hate dems
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on January 29, 2019, 10:43:45 AM
Republicans really have a problem with minorities and women being elected to office.  Not only that they don't want to do it, but that they're upset that their opposition is doing it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
The dems have backed themselves into a corner. The nominee has to be a minority woman since everyone else is a misogynist racist.

Republicans have backed themselves into a corner where only old, racist misogynists are willing to call themselves republican.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2019, 10:50:03 AM
Wasn't like Collin Powell the first black president candidate ever pushed by a party? Didn't they want the first women VP in American history too? :confused:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2019, 10:52:59 AM
Wasn't like Collin Powell the first black president candidate ever pushed by a party? Didn't they want the first women VP in American history too? :confused:

no and no
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2019, 10:56:17 AM
Oh, so they never pushed for minorities in the white house within their own party? Got it!

CASE CLOSED!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 29, 2019, 10:58:33 AM
that's very funny wacky and rage.


apropos of schultz, this is a good graph to view his likely appeal.

https://twitter.com/cmcarter425/status/1090272038881701888
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2019, 11:02:55 AM
Oh, so they never pushed for minorities in the white house within their own party? Got it!

CASE CLOSED!!!

Colin Powell has never run for president and the democrats ran Geraldine Ferraro for vice president in 1984.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 29, 2019, 11:04:26 AM
Jesse Jackson ran in '84 and '88.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on January 29, 2019, 11:09:56 AM
Oh, so they never pushed for minorities in the white house within their own party? Got it!

CASE CLOSED!!!

I don't think this is the question he was answering
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2019, 11:17:01 AM
Oh, so they never pushed for minorities in the white house within their own party? Got it!

CASE CLOSED!!!

Colin Powell has never run for president and the democrats ran Geraldine Ferraro for vice president in 1984.
He never ran for President because of his wife and the GOP wanted him too, so yeah, racists!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 29, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
In any normal election, I’d be very happy to vote for a Schultz. In this case I’m afraid of even the possibility that it would help Trump though. I think he’d have a lot of support among those that would be anti-Trump but don’t want any part of the far left types being pushed forward (like me).  My hope is that this would moderate the democratic choice, but I’m not optimistic that it would have that effect.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2019, 11:45:15 AM
It will be interesting to see who gets the democratic nomination. I'm hoping Warren and Sanders stay in the race long enough to pull votes from each other.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 29, 2019, 11:48:46 AM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1090241532618330114
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2019, 11:48:56 AM
Can’t Schultz just primary Trump? Or are you unable to force a delegate count if the RNC is already all in on the guy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
It's just a matter of who can grease enough palms and buy off enough loyalty for the votes in the DNC.   If Hillary runs, she'll likely still have millions in Russian (and other) cash sitting some place offshore in a fake CF account. 

In the absence of someone buying the DNC ala 2016, it's going to be a free-for-all.

Also, strongly suggest to you resident LibDerps that you rally your party to install a firewall, maybe farm that out to a Managed Security Company, have DNC staffers stay off all the Russian troll porn sites and get the DNC chair to elevate their PW beyond "password" or the mascot of their favorite college.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
How bad does dax want Hillary to run?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2019, 12:16:41 PM
How bad does dax want Hillary to run?

Another post and another swing and a miss from Parody Poster LibDerp7

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2019, 12:24:07 PM
Lol, ok bud
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on January 29, 2019, 12:57:16 PM
If it's not Joe Biden then something has gone terribly wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 29, 2019, 01:03:36 PM
My hope is that this would moderate the democratic choice, but I’m not optimistic that it would have that effect.

he could exert far more influence by funding an appealing moderate candidate in the democratic primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2019, 01:04:36 PM
Agree with that. People forget Bernie is not a Democrat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 29, 2019, 01:06:54 PM
i mean, you don't see the kochs running quixotic presidential campaigns to try and leverage their billions into public policy influence.  because they're not dumbasses.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 29, 2019, 01:07:45 PM
My hope is that this would moderate the democratic choice, but I’m not optimistic that it would have that effect.

he could exert far more influence by funding an appealing moderate candidate in the democratic primary.
Agree with that. People forget Bernie is not a Democrat.
i mean, you don't see the kochs running quixotic presidential campaigns to try and leverage their billions into public policy influence.  because they're not dumbasses.


Yes to all of these
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1090272075363672065
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 29, 2019, 01:32:10 PM
yeah, he's right about that.  he would get his ass destroyed in a democratic primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
The last nominee was moderate neocon Hillary and people still think democrats are too far left

Smdh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
No real thread to put this in but @sys

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1090320213801869313
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 29, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
 :excited:

i think they just want her to run for the ga senate though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 29, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
If it's not Joe Biden then something has gone terribly wrong.

Joe Biden isn't winning a single primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on January 29, 2019, 05:34:58 PM
 :emawkid:
If it's not Joe Biden then something has gone terribly wrong.

Joe Biden isn't winning a single primary.

WHY?!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 30, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
That's a very smart 5 year old! :surprised:

https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1090616439730515969
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 11:43:29 AM
if you're considering voting for harris based on her health care or tax proposals, this is important information.

https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/1090339377815920642
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
More tax cuts :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
"this is our America"   :love: :love: :love: :love:

How positively anti Big Tent . . . fantastic!!



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2019, 11:52:38 AM
I don’t think she has a chance with that as her top priority
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2019, 11:56:35 AM
Besides "restoring dignity" or whatever, healthcare will be the top issue for any democrat
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
I don’t think she has a chance with that as her top priority

people still like money, i think.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 30, 2019, 12:01:38 PM
if you're considering voting for harris based on her health care or tax proposals, this is important information.

https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/1090339377815920642

This article is dumb. Harris is dumb too.

Quote
Harris is saying something Democrats, including many who support Medicare-for-all in theory, sometimes elide: True single-payer would mean the end of private insurance. The left wants America to catch up with most of the developed world, where health insurance is more or less a right of citizenship and costs are still lower, and they think the best, simplest way to do it is to put everybody into one national health care plan.

This is not true. Even Britain has private medical system with private insurance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
i can never keep track of which of the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), non-descriptive names for hypothetical american healthcare goes with which specific hypothetical healthcare idea.

"medicare for all" is good because it can still mean almost anything, although some idiots are trying to assert that it can't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
good (correct) thread talking about the politics of medicare for all.

https://twitter.com/JonWalkerDC/status/1090629449505067008
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2019, 12:59:05 PM
Unfortunately it’s just a political issue now. And I think Obama does deserve some blame for that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
when was health care not a political issue?  pre fdr?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2019, 01:37:02 PM
Tribal issue? Idk what is best to call it, but I mean there’s really no opportunity to discuss the merits of single payer with Republicans in the current climate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
polarized along partisan lines.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on January 30, 2019, 01:48:59 PM
Unfortunately it’s just a political issue now. And I think Obama does deserve some blame for that.


Tribal issue for sure.

ACA was largely a conservative position before Obama touched it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
a more interesting centrist billionaire.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1090938357293699073
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
Is Beto really not running?  It would be like stealing candy from a baby with all these idiots.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 01, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
warren is an interesting candidate.  it is perhaps unfortunate that she's a very poor politician.

https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1091451705273843712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 01, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
oh and booker made it official today.  kinda weird to do it on a friday, imo.  and even worse the friday before the super bowl.  nonetheless, he's probably the most underrated candidate at the moment.  if i was interested in betting on 2020 candidates at this point in time, i'd probably be putting money on him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
booker sucks imo but prob a good horse to back
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 01, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
why do you think he sucks, sd?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2019, 09:18:08 PM
why do you think he sucks, sd?

as a candidate or to me personally? to me personally I would vote TF out of him if he was the Dem against Schulz/Trump Indy/Pub tickets. I think he sucks crap as a realistic Dem candidate in that he is (for better explanation) a cop. He's (relatively) moderate, pro-biz, (again, relateively). I like him, should have worded my post better about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 01, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
yeah, to you.  it's good (for him) that you like him.  it's interesting that you think of him as a moderate, since his voting record as a senator is far to the left, but all of the crazy lefty people hate him and think of him as a centrist piece of crap.

he'd kinda be mumped if all the centrists believed his senate record and no one on the hard left did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 12:31:26 AM
she is so bad at running for president.


https://splinternews.com/no-elizabeth-doesn-t-take-drugs-and-other-gems-from-wa-1832269376
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 02, 2019, 07:05:47 AM
she is so bad at running for president.


https://splinternews.com/no-elizabeth-doesn-t-take-drugs-and-other-gems-from-wa-1832269376

she's just so awkward. she should drop out now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 02, 2019, 07:38:35 AM
I'm also interested in the line of thought that booker is 100% for certain corrupt based on his time in NJ and it being a 100% certainty that anyone in NJ politics for that length of time is corrupt.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2019, 08:18:03 AM
His cameo in parks and rec with Orrin Hatch was funny so he is already culturally relevant.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2019, 08:53:35 AM
Booker’s endorsement from Chris Christie probably won’t do him any favors.  I honestly think sys still hasn’t processed where the Democratic Party is, and as such, should only be read so that you can learn that the opposite of whatever he thinks is happening or who he likes will do well in the Dem primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 02, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
I think the Democratic Party hasn’t processed that, despite their media wing’s best efforts, in a non-Trump election they are going to lose the support of all the centrists they have now. Might be a good strategy to push 2020 left, but I think it will fall hard after that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2019, 09:59:18 AM
I think the Democratic Party hasn’t processed that, despite their media wing’s best efforts, in a non-Trump election they are going to lose the support of all the centrists they have now. Might be a good strategy to push 2020 left, but I think it will fall hard after that.

You are right but not for the reason you are saying.  There isn't a mass of "centrist" voters that hate the policies you are complaining about.  There are way more people in this country that are very conservative socially that want New Deal economic policies, not that there is a force of people like you that will swing an election.  The problem is that none of these policies will ever get through even a pretty favorable Senate unless there is some real magic and the filibuster is gone.  So, since we are in the realm of ideas, all the better to stake out some actually valuable real estate instead of the centrist think tank means tested garbage that appeals to no one and allows people like Trump to prosper by rightfully pointing out that nothing ever changes and the politicians don't care about you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2019, 10:09:14 AM
Not interested in booker. I think many Dems will flock to Harris but someone much further left will draw some stiff competition. Castro is still very much my preference, but with being out of the national public eye for a while he’s gonna have to do something to grab people’s attention. Should do well at the debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
Not interested in booker. I think many Dems will flock to Harris but someone much further left will draw some stiff competition. Castro is still very much my preference, but with being out of the national public eye for a while he’s gonna have to do something to grab people’s attention. Should do well at the debates.

Castro is a weirdo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2019, 11:59:21 AM
Go on
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-z-8ElgJIY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-z-8ElgJIY)
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2019, 12:43:25 PM
You think he’s weird because he believes emphasizing education is the key to staying economically competitive?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
You think he’s weird because he believes emphasizing education is the key to staying economically competitive?

the way he talks and his phrasing is weird. also, if the solution is just everyone going to college to get a "better job" eventually you just have college educated garbage men and janitors and pay them more? While education is important and essential for every person, not sure that we need the middle step there if the claimed goal is to help people out of poverty.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
Booker’s endorsement from Chris Christie probably won’t do him any favors.  I honestly think sys still hasn’t processed where the Democratic Party is, and as such, should only be read so that you can learn that the opposite of whatever he thinks is happening or who he likes will do well in the Dem primary.

with the caveat that i didn't say that i like booker, or even that i thought he was going to win, i said i thought he was undervalued, which is not the same thing.


i think i have a decent understanding of who the democratic primary electorate is.  i am very aware that i am not in the center of that electorate.

i also don't think where candidates were eight years ago is going to be as important to people as some think.  what is booker saying now that you think is out of step with primary voters?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2019, 04:13:08 PM
You think he’s weird because he believes emphasizing education is the key to staying economically competitive?

the way he talks and his phrasing is weird. also, if the solution is just everyone going to college to get a "better job" eventually you just have college educated garbage men and janitors and pay them more? While education is important and essential for every person, not sure that we need the middle step there if the claimed goal is to help people out of poverty.

Well there’s plenty of policy to be debated that’s for sure. I took his comment to mean that for America to stay competitive in the global market we need to focus on developing a highly skilled workforce cause were not gonna do it through manufacturing or coal mining. Which I agree with.

As for the phrasing, yeah it’s worded weird but if political catchphrases were important to me I’d probably be voting Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 04:29:08 PM
I think the Democratic Party hasn’t processed that, despite their media wing’s best efforts, in a non-Trump election they are going to lose the support of all the centrists they have now. Might be a good strategy to push 2020 left, but I think it will fall hard after that.

2024 is a very long ways away.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
The problem is that none of these policies will ever get through even a pretty favorable Senate unless there is some real magic and the filibuster is gone.

even then.  there aren't 50 dem senators that would vote for any of these and there probably aren't 30 that would vote to get rid of the filibuster.


while you're right that they shouldn't campaign on crap that no one likes, there's also a danger in campaigning too hard on stuff that can't be enacted.  most voters aren't that tuned in, they're just gonna look up in four years and be like "this lying liar didn't do any of the stuff she said she was going to.  must be in the pocket of the big banks or whoever it is i think is secretly ruling the country."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 06:13:03 PM
kat kid, i'd also like to get your thoughts on obama's presidency and on sherrod brown.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 02, 2019, 07:12:55 PM
this is good, on beto.


https://www.statesman.com/news/20190201/does-beto-still-have-lightning-in-his-bottle
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2019, 07:41:40 PM
He’s the perfect age too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2019, 07:27:36 AM
kat kid, i'd also like to get your thoughts on obama's presidency and on sherrod brown.
I don't know how to answer the Obama question, I have a lot of thoughts on it.  Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 07:40:59 AM
Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.

He supports lowering age for Medicare eligibility to 55 or 50 as a next step. He says this is because Medicare for all would never pass, which seems similar to what you were saying above.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2019, 07:49:56 AM
Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.

He supports lowering age for Medicare eligibility to 55 or 50 as a next step. He says this is because Medicare for all would never pass, which seems similar to what you were saying above.

I think offering people a vision of what things should look like and then explaining how we would get there is a much better path forward than compromising with yourself before you even start negotiating.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 03, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
I watched 20/20 friday the story was on BTK, it was fascinating how cavalier he was with describing horrific atrocities and how certain he was that serial killing was like respectable honorable work.  I don't know why this thread made me think of that but here we are.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 08:05:14 AM
Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.

He supports lowering age for Medicare eligibility to 55 or 50 as a next step. He says this is because Medicare for all would never pass, which seems similar to what you were saying above.

I think offering people a vision of what things should look like and then explaining how we would get there is a much better path forward than compromising with yourself before you even start negotiating.

I don't claim to know much about politics, but it seems this strategy would definitely hinder him in the primary, though could help him in the general election. Which is a bit of a catch-22.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.

He supports lowering age for Medicare eligibility to 55 or 50 as a next step. He says this is because Medicare for all would never pass, which seems similar to what you were saying above.

I think offering people a vision of what things should look like and then explaining how we would get there is a much better path forward than compromising with yourself before you even start negotiating.

I don't claim to know much about politics, but it seems this strategy would definitely hinder him in the primary, though could help him in the general election. Which is a bit of a catch-22.

I don't actually believe that there are more people that would like some sort of "compromise" position than just being all-in on Medicare For All.  The precise thing everyone hates about Obamacare is navigating the "marketplace" and all of the shitty parts about private insurance and Republicans are going to call it a government takeover of medicine and socialism anyway, so why not actually offer some actual benefits instead of trying to come up with a "market based solution" that will just leave people off and make the coverage worse and more expensive for those it does cover?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 03, 2019, 11:17:40 AM
I was very surprised when I learned Sherrod Brown was white.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 03, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
Did you know that BTK sent lead detective Ken Landwehr a floppy disc that exposed who he was via metadata, and that before he did he asked Ken if it would be safe for him to do so,  Landwehr responded in a classified ad that It will be ok. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
I was very surprised when I learned Sherrod Brown was white.
White people name...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 03, 2019, 01:16:37 PM
I was very surprised when I learned Sherrod Brown was white.
White people name...

this is legit how I found out

https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson/status/1067832305643794433

https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson/status/1091475783799848960

:D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
kat kid, i'd also like to get your thoughts on obama's presidency and on sherrod brown.
I don't know how to answer the Obama question, I have a lot of thoughts on it.  Sherrod Brown is a very good union guy, but he's not on the Medicare 4 All train and I don't really understand why and so he's irrelevant for now.

it would seem to me that he's been the most consistently populist/social welfare dude other than sanders.  i understand the vision thing and it's probably the better politics.  campaign in poetry, govern in prose and all that.  but for someone like yourself who views the senate through the exact same lens as he does, you're kind of docking him points for not being willing to lie to voters.

anyways, if there is someone i'm not fair to due to my biases, i think it's brown.  something about him rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 02:47:36 PM
anyways, if there is someone i'm not fair to due to my biases, i think it's brown.  something about him rubs me the wrong way.

He may be too virtuous for your taste.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 03:00:51 PM
no, it's the populist stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 03:17:38 PM
no, it's the populist stuff.

Is Robin Hood virtuous?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
2024, the dignity of theft tour.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 04:43:06 PM
I think offering people a vision of what things should look like and then explaining how we would get there is a much better path forward than compromising with yourself before you even start negotiating.

if you accept an incrementalist approach, this is self-evidently a much better approach in terms of both politics and policy that brown's outline.

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1091883389626580992
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
Agree.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Almost no voters in that group.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Almost no voters in that group.

0-30 would be better politically.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 03, 2019, 05:28:17 PM
you would need to triple our tax rates to pay for this, probably more than that for some because people at the top would be over 100%
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Almost no voters in that group.

0-30 would be better politically.

Would also cost way, WAY less than 50-current eligible age.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 03, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
dems will need to significantly broaden the tax base to ever do anything big again, they have mumped themselves into a corner.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2019, 05:35:29 PM
Pubs will start acting like deficits are life or death situations again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2019, 06:12:31 PM
no, it's the populist stuff.

Is Robin Hood virtuous?
No
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/1092467991772565506
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
Isn’t Pete like way too young?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 04, 2019, 10:27:01 PM
I told you guys it should be Biden.  Should I be some kind of political commentator/predictor or something?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
I told you guys it should be Biden.  Should I be some kind of political commentator/predictor or something?

should be pres right now. he'll be too old in a couple years. sucks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on February 05, 2019, 11:50:03 AM
I’m on the Booker train, mostly because he’s now dating Rosario Dawson and I’m a fan. She’d be the most attractive First Lady since Michelle :love:


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2019, 11:55:19 AM
Have we ever had a non married president?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Have we ever had a non married president?

We've had several widowers elected. The only 2 who had never been married are James Buchanon and Grover Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2019, 06:46:39 PM
And ........ Warren is out


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 05, 2019, 06:57:20 PM
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1092944963677999104?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 05, 2019, 07:01:50 PM
what do you guys think about pete?

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1090993282669260800

i've liked everything i've heard from him so far but i don't think i know a single thing about his policies.  he's pleasant to listen to tho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 05, 2019, 10:45:46 PM
sounds like beto and klobuchar are in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2019, 10:47:36 PM
sounds like beto and klobuchar are in.

Beto!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 05, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
what do you guys think about pete?

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1090993282669260800

i've liked everything i've heard from him so far but i don't think i know a single thing about his policies.  he's pleasant to listen to tho

He’s like 40 years too young to run.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2019, 11:20:48 PM
I would love to have a president Pete's age.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 06, 2019, 12:00:54 AM
No way that guy is 35, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2019, 12:35:11 AM
South Bend????
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 07:23:08 AM
37!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 06, 2019, 07:31:10 AM
who is your best commie to own Trump with?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2019, 08:21:57 AM
I don't know if anyone could own the pubs as much as Obama did. Ivy League, scholarly, politically progressive, embraces science, truth, facts, and is black. All the things the pubs hate most. And no one was even trying to own the pubs at the time. The pubs were just all about owning themselves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2019, 08:26:31 AM
I don't know if anyone could own the pubs as much as Obama did. Ivy League, scholarly, politically progressive, embraces science, truth, facts, and is black. All the things the pubs hate most. And no one was even trying to own the pubs at the time. The pubs were just all about owning themselves.

You forgot immigrant
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2019, 08:26:48 AM
That said, Kamala Harris and Cory Booker would be some at the top of the pubs' hate list.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 08:27:35 AM
Also muslim and "arrogant"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
It's kind of interesting that the last few dem presidents have been self-made men and the last few pub presidents have been trust fund brats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2019, 08:42:27 AM
It's kind of interesting that the last few dem presidents have been self-made men and the last few pub presidents have been trust fund brats.

Given the demographics of the parties I don’t find that surprising at all


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 06, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
So it seems like Warren is toast.  Thank goodness.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 08:50:07 AM
She was never going anywhere to begin with. She's the liberal Ted cruz but like more likeable on a personal level.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2019, 09:52:11 AM
I kind of wish she were still in the race, because I think she would take votes from Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 09:55:16 AM
i don't think many dem primary voters will care about warren's bar registration.  it might become part of a very slightly damaging narrative in a general, but i don't think she's highly likely to get to the general.`
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 06, 2019, 09:55:19 AM
I kind of wish she were still in the race

well she's like 1023/1024ths in my race
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee link=topic=40358.msg1893671#msg1893671 date=15 :Lurk:49468331
I kind of wish she were still in the race, because I think she would take votes from Bernie.

she yet persists.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
I honestly think it's very endearing that Warren lied about her race so many times. She would be my favorite person in this race if she had better policy positions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 09:58:13 AM
I honestly think it's very endearing that Warren lied about her race so many times. She would be my favorite person in this race if she had better policy positions.

i wouldn't call it lying.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
I don’t care for Warren as a candidate but I don’t really GAF about her claiming Native American heritage on a bar registration. That’s not even gonna get you anything.

On a college or job application I put it on the same level as a DUI. Yeah, not ideal and possibly a symptom of a bigger issue but I can easily get over it if you’re otherwise solid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2019, 10:43:45 AM
It only gets so much press because it's one of those things that pos pubs make a lot of noise pretending to care about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 10:44:58 AM
This primary is going to be so fun

https://twitter.com/SlowNewsDayShow/status/1092500558559072266
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2019, 10:53:55 AM
I don’t care for Warren as a candidate but I don’t really GAF about her claiming Native American heritage on a bar registration. That’s not even gonna get you anything.

On a college or job application I put it on the same level as a DUI. Yeah, not ideal and possibly a symptom of a bigger issue but I can easily get over it if you’re otherwise solid.

It's not even in the same ballpark as a DUI.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2019, 12:15:08 PM
That’s a matter of opinion. Even though it doesn’t put other people in danger, I take more seriously any issues involving deception or dishonesty when looking at political candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
polls today have me rethinking my anti biden/old people bias.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2019, 01:27:01 PM
I don't think Biden is too old to win an election. He's just too old to be a good president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on February 06, 2019, 01:28:08 PM
More presidents have been super old than not


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2019, 01:30:46 PM
Not only is Biden old af, I'm just pretty rough ridin' sick of baby boomers at this point. rough ridin' retire already. Or die. Whatever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2019, 04:44:14 PM
Well besides worrying about his age, you could focus on the fact that Biden's politics are pretty awful.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
Well besides worrying about his age, you could focus on the fact that Biden's politics are pretty awful.

my interest is in who is going to win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2019, 05:02:13 PM
:Lurk:
Well besides worrying about his age, you could focus on the fact that Biden's politics are pretty awful.

my interest is in who is going to win.

Then start getting excited about a second term for Trump, because that seems more likely than most of these dud candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 05:06:06 PM
i meant who is going to win the dem primary.


also, if the general were held today, trump would lose to basically any of them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 06, 2019, 05:25:11 PM
sys, come back to us.  KSU beat KSU last night, did you hear?  I'm afraid you're going full chunkles.  STOP DISCUSSING THE DEM PRIMARY AND COME TO THE HOOPS BOARD.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2019, 05:45:57 PM
Dem Primary sd rankings (not on quality, on chance of winning the nom):

1. Biden (I'd only give him like a 30% chance of even running to begin with)
2. Beto
3. NJ Cop
4. CA Cop
5. HI Cop
6. OH guy who talks weird

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 06, 2019, 06:05:56 PM
Dem Primary sd rankings (not on quality, on chance of winning the nom):

1. Biden (I'd only give him like a 30% chance of even running to begin with)
2. Beto
3. NJ Cop
4. CA Cop
5. HI Cop
6. OH guy who talks weird

Tulsi Gabbard?  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2019, 07:07:31 PM
Dem Primary sd rankings (not on quality, on chance of winning the nom):

1. Biden (I'd only give him like a 30% chance of even running to begin with)
2. Beto
3. NJ Cop
4. CA Cop
5. HI Cop
6. OH guy who talks weird

Tulsi Gabbard?  :lol:

Yeah, I mean, she's certainly a long shot with her foreign policy blunders but I'd put her top 5 at the moment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
It's going to be either Beto or CA cop.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 08:43:15 PM
 :Woohoo:
sys, come back to us.  KSU beat KSU last night, did you hear?  I'm afraid you're going full chunkles.  STOP DISCUSSING THE DEM PRIMARY AND COME TO THE HOOPS BOARD.

yeah, i saw part of the game.  i'm more interested in the primaries for now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2019, 08:45:51 PM
i don't have a rankings yet.  too many variables.  however many candidates there are, though, that's where gabbard ranks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
They're all pretty much equally likely at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
Debates start in just 4 months, article from Dec that I just now read. Pretty interesting format, but the two night thing is a gamble.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/politics/democrats-presidential-debates.html

I also really like Tom Perez and think he's a great choice for DNC chair.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2019, 10:11:29 PM
I will watch the crap out of all the debates as long as they’re later in the evening so they don’t need to worry about me in whatever format they choose
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 06, 2019, 10:53:26 PM
:Woohoo:
sys, come back to us.  KSU beat KSU last night, did you hear?  I'm afraid you're going full chunkles.  STOP DISCUSSING THE DEM PRIMARY AND COME TO THE HOOPS BOARD.

yeah, i saw part of the game.  i'm more interested in the primaries for now.

Damnit.  Well, at least you watched part of it.  Cartier Diarra had a windmill dunk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 07, 2019, 04:24:47 PM
these sonsofbitches claim i'm a biden bro.

https://www.isidewith.com/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2019, 04:57:40 PM
these sonsofbitches claim i'm a biden bro.

https://www.isidewith.com/

welcome to the resistance sys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
I got Pete  :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2019, 05:07:53 PM
Tie between Kirsten and Pete at 83%. Biden was a distant third at 80%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 05:08:25 PM
Didn't like 4 people show up at a Beto thing the other night?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 07, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
Didn't like 4 people show up at a Beto thing the other night?
I think that was bannon and it was topeka
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 07, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
I got Pete  :D
P-Butt bros
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
This whole thing has been a little crazy.

https://twitter.com/mtredden/status/1094013868081324032
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 08, 2019, 07:06:49 PM
Yikes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2019, 07:18:50 PM
The only two people I’m worried about giving Trump a serious run at this point are Biden and Beto. If you really want to beat Trump, you should be Very Worried about the rest of these loons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
The only two people I’m worried about giving Trump a serious run at this point are Biden and Beto. If you really want to beat Trump, you should be Very Worried about the rest of these loons.

Biden is like 78 he won’t last on the campaign circuit
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 08, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
I got Pete  :D
P-Butt bros

https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1093289716798103557
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 08, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
Pete has "it"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 08, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
How's his Twitter game? That's mostly what I care about in my president. It's a pretty tough ask for the next president to equal Trump in terms of pure entertainment value.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2019, 10:21:15 AM
Anyone else in the Yang gang?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2019, 10:22:40 AM
Also seems pretty accurate for me on the ideology scale. Although weird that my top match is a socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 09, 2019, 12:27:56 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/0239090191dbd673aabdd6c443f0be81.jpg)

A motley crew
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 09, 2019, 12:29:50 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/384ebfc3bff1bdea04d8ba32c8e37619.jpg)

There's no one in my quadrant :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 09, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/82032536237adf0d3c2a5fbe682630c3.jpg)
Personal freedom line, right where I should be.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/9fef8e58217c88981fb66f9362f5bbd6.jpg)
:dubious:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 09, 2019, 01:53:41 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/82032536237adf0d3c2a5fbe682630c3.jpg)
Personal freedom line, right where I should be.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/9fef8e58217c88981fb66f9362f5bbd6.jpg)
:dubious:

There are no politicians for us personal freedom bros, bro.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
that thing is rigged against Bernie

:don'tcare:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 02:11:24 PM
eff, i didn't notice the ideology thing.  now i'm gonna have to take it again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 02:13:32 PM
Pete has "it"

he was really good in that clip.  he has a huge uphill battle to be taken seriously, but i'm not going to lump him in with the the tulsi gabbards of the world anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
it still had my answers, so i didn't have to retake it, but somehow i'm now closest to pete and biden's all the way down to third.  this goddamn test is in the pocket of big buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2019, 02:45:32 PM
I can never stay interested in those things past 1 question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 03:24:14 PM
that thing is rigged against Bernie

:don'tcare:

arguably, it usefully contrasts bernie's 2020 situation v 2016 - in 2020, there's a stack of candidates in a similar ideological space and many of them are perceived to have more appealing personality traits.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
this is also a good answer.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1094321782851624961
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 09, 2019, 06:26:25 PM
that thing is rigged against Bernie

:don'tcare:

arguably, it usefully contrasts bernie's 2020 situation v 2016 - in 2020, there's a stack of candidates in a similar ideological space and many of them are perceived to have more appealing personality traits.

On the one hand, I agree that most of the 2020 candidates have adopted some of Bernie's long time policy priorities like Medicare 4 All, but I think it is fool hardy to think that they will be anywhere near as committed to his ideology. Warren probably comes closest, but there is still a pretty big leap there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 06:28:24 PM
this is really good, and i think it is also exactly where beto should position himself if/when he runs.  let the other crowd each other on health care - if he can own immigration all to himself while trump is out pushing the salience of the issue, i think he has a pretty easy way to stand out from the crowd.

https://medium.com/@BetoORourke/the-president-is-coming-to-el-paso-monday-bbd4a023c77c
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 06:32:33 PM
On the one hand, I agree that most of the 2020 candidates have adopted some of Bernie's long time policy priorities like Medicare 4 All, but I think it is fool hardy to think that they will be anywhere near as committed to his ideology. Warren probably comes closest, but there is still a pretty big leap there.

i don't disagree, but what is the % of the electorate that is going to vote based on a sanders purity test?  i think he probably needs warren to fizzle out fairly early and a bunch of moderates or perceived moderates to hang around splitting the vote for a long while to have a viable path.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 06:35:23 PM
the sanders nightmare is if warren becomes perceived as the sensible/electable/realistic choice for his 2016 constituency.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
DNR whatever has happened but sanders/warren are also rans. Just quit now.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Sanders should stay in to keep forcing the narrative to the left but Warren is pretty awful at campaigning
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 09, 2019, 08:39:23 PM
Warren has no chance. None.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 05:35:21 PM
https://twitter.com/JZTessler/status/1095078745592025091
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
people who know a lot more than me think the field is going to narrow quickly (as the 'pubs did).  but looking at stuff like this, i don't understand why anyone with any realistic support would fold before super tuesday.

https://twitter.com/2020Delegates/status/1094633345131008001
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2019, 07:22:44 PM
It’s going to fantastic to see who plays the best game of identity politics. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 07:29:41 PM
the winner of the nomination of the grievance party goes to the candidate with the best grievances dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2019, 08:43:26 PM
the winner of the nomination of the grievance party goes to the candidate with the best grievances dax

It's going to be a good 12 to 18 months of airing of the grievances.   Can't wait.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 11, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
gE has hosted a 9-year airing of dax’s grievances.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 09:53:31 PM
 :lol:  ge 'pubs put forth less than .001 of the total grievances in the pit, the grievance business is dominated by betas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 13, 2019, 06:37:40 AM
Haha

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1095343439338713088
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2019, 07:40:14 PM
 :dunno:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/schumer-beto-castro-2020-senate-bid-1168554
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2019, 08:18:59 PM
“Best chance” of unseating him. Beto was helped by boatloads of money and an extremely disliked opponent (even among Republicans). No way either of them do better in 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2019, 09:07:56 PM
“Best chance” of unseating him. Beto was helped by boatloads of money and an extremely disliked opponent (even among Republicans). No way either of them do better in 2020.

i think i probably agree.  but to devil's advocate - castro v cornyn would probably bring out the latino vote more heavily dem than beto v cruz did.  and if you could count on the presidential election to turnout the black and anti-trump white vote, you could get a more favorable result.

also, cornyn has a lower net favorability than cruz.  people don't hate him as much, but they also don't like him as much.  so i'm not sure how that translates into votes.

finally, texas gets, probably, something like about 0.5 % more dem every year, demographically.  so it should be about a point less of an uphill climb in 2020 than 2018.


all that said, if beto thinks he could win the nomination, beating trump would be a lot easier than beating cornyn.  the hard part is getting nominated.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
another wrinkle is that i've seen a completely unsubstantiated rumor that cornyn may not run again.  rumor suggesting patrick would then run.  no idea on how much texans like or hate him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
He’s liked well enough. I think he’s kind of a pos based on FB posts but that’s not gonna be a deal breaker for anyone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 13, 2019, 10:13:39 PM
DP (lol) has two first names, and as a two-first-names guy, my research shows he is well-liked by moderates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2019, 06:47:32 PM
https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1096161689345708032
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on February 14, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
^ya'll talking Dan Patrick?  Makes Greg Abbott look same.  Also his real last name is not Patrick.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 15, 2019, 12:36:10 AM
beto's not afraid to make the case for immigration and border reform.   :love:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-border-has-never-been-as-safe-and-secure-as-it-is-now-1442974787669
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on February 15, 2019, 01:16:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

i like what he has to say.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2019, 09:54:03 AM
I hate Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton more than I hate Trump, that's saying alot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 09:55:27 AM
It’s cause they know exactly how stupid it sounds to say most of the things they do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2019, 10:21:16 AM
It’s cause they know exactly how stupid it sounds to say most of the things they do.

Yes, exactly why I'm disappointed in kdub for being a trump acolyte
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2019, 11:13:14 AM
I'm Team Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2019, 11:22:46 AM
this is also v good imo

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2019, 11:24:22 AM
this is also v good imo

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/
I like listening to him talk. Probably too clinical to appeal to the masses, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
Haha

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1095343439338713088

WTF
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
beto's not afraid to make the case for immigration and border reform.   :love:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-border-has-never-been-as-safe-and-secure-as-it-is-now-1442974787669

Did I miss something? Who is?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1096444302929117184
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 03:15:33 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?
Who even is Barbara Lee?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 15, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?
Who even is Barbara Lee?
Oh yeah, her... I liked her on Last Week Tonight I think.  That’s pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 15, 2019, 04:08:13 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?

I follow more than a few of them and haven't seen evidence of this beyond:  "I obviously really respect Barbara Lee but I think she is wrong about this."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2019, 04:14:55 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1096444302929117184

That’s pretty great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 15, 2019, 08:35:48 PM
aside from the senate poll, pretty competitive presidential numbers for biden and harris.

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1096513104677097472
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 15, 2019, 08:42:06 PM
beto's not afraid to make the case for immigration and border reform.   :love:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-border-has-never-been-as-safe-and-secure-as-it-is-now-1442974787669

Did I miss something? Who is?

i'd love it if you can show me any of them addressing the issue in anything other that anti-trump platitudes.  i guess harris has proposed h-1b quota reform, but that'd like, almost offensively minor in ambition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?

I follow more than a few of them and haven't seen evidence of this beyond:  "I obviously really respect Barbara Lee but I think she is wrong about this."
Yeah it hasn't got much traction all. I bet some of the absurd Bernie haters are pushing this narrative pretty hard though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 16, 2019, 08:50:42 PM
https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1096895391885393921
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 16, 2019, 10:20:26 PM
beto's not afraid to make the case for immigration and border reform.   :love:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-border-has-never-been-as-safe-and-secure-as-it-is-now-1442974787669

Did I miss something? Who is?

i'd love it if you can show me any of them addressing the issue in anything other that anti-trump platitudes.  i guess harris has proposed h-1b quota reform, but that'd like, almost offensively minor in ambition.

Not addressing it doesn't mean they don't believe it should be a priority. It will certainly come through in the debates, it's not an issue you stump on unless you are from a border town.
Border security and immigration reform have been tackled by the last two Democrat presidents. Just because there's pushback on what Trump considers immigration reform doesn't mean there's a million miles of space for others to fit in. I want to abolish ice but that doesn't mean I don't think there should be millions, if not billions spent to technology at the borders, not enough focus on the northern border.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 16, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?

I follow more than a few of them and haven't seen evidence of this beyond:  "I obviously really respect Barbara Lee but I think she is wrong about this."
Yeah it hasn't got much traction all. I bet some of the absurd Bernie haters are pushing this narrative pretty hard though

No, it was definitely Bernie supporters, I mean all you have to do do is search Barbara Lee cancelled on twitter. There were several others not using her full name. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I was a Bernie Sanders delegate for heaven's sakes. There was a strong contingent of African Americans leery of Bernie Sanders supporters and their reaction to that endorsement didn't help and was the first real sign I saw that they may have a point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 16, 2019, 11:43:49 PM
Not addressing it doesn't mean they don't believe it should be a priority. It will certainly come through in the debates, it's not an issue you stump on unless you are from a border town.
Border security and immigration reform have been tackled by the last two Democrat presidents. Just because there's pushback on what Trump considers immigration reform doesn't mean there's a million miles of space for others to fit in. I want to abolish ice but that doesn't mean I don't think there should be millions, if not billions spent to technology at the borders, not enough focus on the northern border.

i mean, yeah that's what it means.  candidates talk about their priorities.  and every president since reagan has been a complete failure on immigration and worse on the border.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2019, 12:26:52 AM


Is this where we discuss the litany of unaware white Berniebots professing on twitter that "Barbara Lee is canceled" because she had the temerity to endorse Kamala Harris?

I follow more than a few of them and haven't seen evidence of this beyond:  "I obviously really respect Barbara Lee but I think she is wrong about this."
Yeah it hasn't got much traction all. I bet some of the absurd Bernie haters are pushing this narrative pretty hard though

No, it was definitely Bernie supporters, I mean all you have to do do is search Barbara Lee cancelled on twitter. There were several others not using her full name. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I was a Bernie Sanders delegate for heaven's sakes. There was a strong contingent of African Americans leery of Bernie Sanders supporters and their reaction to that endorsement didn't help and was the first real sign I saw that they may have a point.

Most of the tweets are like this

https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1096202354003664896?s=19

https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1096234527733751810?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2019, 10:06:31 AM
Not addressing it doesn't mean they don't believe it should be a priority. It will certainly come through in the debates, it's not an issue you stump on unless you are from a border town.
Border security and immigration reform have been tackled by the last two Democrat presidents. Just because there's pushback on what Trump considers immigration reform doesn't mean there's a million miles of space for others to fit in. I want to abolish ice but that doesn't mean I don't think there should be millions, if not billions spent to technology at the borders, not enough focus on the northern border.

i mean, yeah that's what it means.  candidates talk about their priorities.  and every president since reagan has been a complete failure on immigration and worse on the border.

Well at this point that doesn't make Beto a differentiator.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2019, 04:34:23 PM
 Donald Harris said in a statement to Jamaica Global Online:

Quote
“My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics. Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.” -Jamaica Global Online
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
https://twitter.com/RBPundit/status/1097607132978049024?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 09:34:22 AM
bernie is in.   :party:

https://twitter.com/xenocryptsite/status/1097876541592272896
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2019, 10:00:56 AM
Did Bernie go on this rant from one of his multiple Dacha's?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 10:03:56 AM
Enjoyed the yang Rogan episode but I can't take him seriously as a candidate. Happy for him to get the ubi issue out there though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 10:31:56 AM
It's really crazy how much centrists hate Bernie. He's not perfect, but damn they make him a villain.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2019, 10:32:37 AM
I think Bernie sucks, personally.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 11:12:14 AM
I think Bernie sucks, personally.
But do you blame him for getting Trump elected or think he's a maniacal racist and misogynist?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 11:13:08 AM
I'm over Bernie, Pete 2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2019, 11:14:44 AM
I think Bernie sucks, personally.
But do you blame him for getting Trump elected or think he's a maniacal racist and misogynist?

I think Bernie sucks for reasons unrelated to those items


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 11:20:17 AM
this is interesting.  would love to see similar data for other states.  semi-unrelated, completely anecdotally, amongst retired professors in manhattan and on twitter i haven't seen much that supports the conventional view that sanders and warren cannibalize each other's support.  i'd love to see some ranked choice polls to see how many have them 1, 2.


https://twitter.com/jacobfhsmith/status/1097894417518739461
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 11:21:23 AM
another complete anecdote-driven observation - beto doesn't seem to be many people's second choice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 11:24:20 AM
I think Bernie sucks, personally.
But do you blame him for getting Trump elected or think he's a maniacal racist and misogynist?

I think Bernie sucks for reasons unrelated to those items


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 11:28:53 AM
Sys, I saw a tweet likening Bernie '16 to Santorum '12. Santorum was the "conservative" candidate to oppose Romney and got like 20% primary votes and won a handful of states. In '16 with a large field he got under 1 percent of primary votes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 11:32:34 AM
Sys, I saw a tweet likening Bernie '16 to Santorum '12. Santorum was the "conservative" candidate to oppose Romney and got like 20% primary votes and won a handful of states. In '16 with a large field he got under 1 percent of primary votes.

i don't think sanders' support has collapsed like that at all.  he still has a core (probably a larger and stronger core than any other candidate) and if the field stays large for a long time, i think he could have a path to winning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2019, 11:34:56 AM
I think Bernie sucks, personally.
But do you blame him for getting Trump elected or think he's a maniacal racist and misogynist?

Nope.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2019, 11:36:41 AM
Sys, I saw a tweet likening Bernie '16 to Santorum '12. Santorum was the "conservative" candidate to oppose Romney and got like 20% primary votes and won a handful of states. In '16 with a large field he got under 1 percent of primary votes.

I think Santorum or someone like him will make a strong showing in 2024. The republicans are sure to reflect on what has happened at some point and decide that they strayed too far from their core Christian values when they decided Donald Trump was the right man for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Yeah, I don't expect that low either, but the large field will definitely hurt him.

Also when you Google Bernie 2020 the first result is an ad for Warren 2020 :lol:

https://twitter.com/eaweiss/status/1097880115323777027
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Yeah, I don't expect that low either, but the large field will definitely hurt him.

Also when you Google Bernie 2020 the first result is an ad for Warren 2020 :lol:

https://twitter.com/eaweiss/status/1097880115323777027

I mean you just pay google for that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 12:00:48 PM
Oh, no kidding?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 12:05:08 PM
like, traditionally, candidates drop out of primaries pretty quick, mostly because they run out of money.  i'm not sure candidates are going to run out of money so fast in 2020.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1097881486588444673
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 19, 2019, 12:09:53 PM
He raises money very well
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 19, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
I think we can go ahead and call this thing for Pete now.

Pete 2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
I think we can go ahead and call this thing for Pete now.

Pete 2020

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 02:07:03 PM
2nd choice data!  22% of liz lads switch to sanders; 16% of bernie bros switch to warren.

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2019, 02:33:29 PM
2nd choice data!  22% of liz lads switch to sanders; 16% of bernie bros switch to warren.

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Those numbers are shockingly far from the 100%s I was expecting


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 19, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
I am super excited that Bernie is officially in the race. He’s like the Dem version of Dr. Ron Paul in terms of annoying the other Dems and damaging their primary, but much more entertaining. Yes please!

Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren.... :lol: My gawd the liberals are going to absolutely piss away money this primary. Man it’s gonna be fun watching them try to out-crazy each other.

Ok, anyway, I have to acknowledge I can’t objectively evaluate this field. Progressivism is just too foreign a concept for my right-wing brain. For example, I cannot even fathom any of the foregoing clowns beating Trump (and that’s saying something, because I don’t have a high opinion of Trump).

During the 2016 GOP primary, I saw several candidates who I thought could both win the primary and the general. Trump wasn’t one of them, so that’s another strike against me. But I thought we had a handful of strong candidates that would do quite well against Hillary.

So give me your honest opinion, libs. Who do you think have the best shot of winning the primary, and who do you think is the best matchup for Trump. Please don’t cite any of the bullshit polling - it’s worthless. I want your gut take as a liberal. I’m not gonna laugh at you. Do you want a moderate, and if so who is that and how do they win the primary? Do you want a liberal champion? How do you figure someone on the far left winning the general?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
I think Kamala would be the strongest candidate in the general election. I think her proposal give low income earners an extra $6,000 per year would be an interesting social experiment to see if Trump's base likes money more than racism and misogyny. My gut tells me Beto comes out of the primaries, though. No real reason there. I don't like Trump's chances against anyone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 19, 2019, 03:45:21 PM
I’m in with Pete at this point because I don’t know who’s actually being talked about there and read the posts as being about our Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 19, 2019, 03:54:22 PM
I think Kamala would be the strongest candidate in the general election. I think her proposal give low income earners an extra $6,000 per year would be an interesting social experiment to see if Trump's base likes money more than racism and misogyny. My gut tells me Beto comes out of the primaries, though. No real reason there. I don't like Trump's chances against anyone.

I think you’re forgetting that Trump’s base, despite being very poor overall, see themselves as a couple years away from being very rich and therefore resent poor people getting any kind of handouts from the hard earned millions they’re about to hard earn but haven’t hard earned yet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
I think Kamala would be the strongest candidate in the general election. I think her proposal give low income earners an extra $6,000 per year would be an interesting social experiment to see if Trump's base likes money more than racism and misogyny. My gut tells me Beto comes out of the primaries, though. No real reason there. I don't like Trump's chances against anyone.

I think you’re forgetting that Trump’s base, despite being very poor overall, see themselves as a couple years away from being very rich and therefore resent poor people getting any kind of handouts from the hard earned millions they’re about to hard earn but haven’t hard earned yet.

$500 per month covers rent for a lot of them. It is a huge pay increase. I don't think they will be able to easily brush it aside. They will consider it a hand up, while still considering most other government programs hand outs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 04:21:12 PM
Decent thread

https://twitter.com/samsanders/status/1097952991078805504
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 04:42:07 PM
Who do you think have the best shot of winning the primary, and who do you think is the best matchup for Trump. Do you want a moderate, and if so who is that and how do they win the primary? Do you want a liberal champion? How do you figure someone on the far left winning the general?

1) harris.
2) brown.
3) i'd prolly prefer beto.  not sure who you consider moderate and who you don't (for my purposes here, call moderates: biden, booker, klobuchar and some western gov or senator).  if biden runs, he prolly just has to not eff up and not look too old (i don't think he will run).  if booker consolidates the black vote he probably wins.  klobuchar has to win iowa and then be the only moderate left standing.  the anon westerner has to do the same but prolly can't.
4) dunno what that means.
5) sanders or warren would probably have the same strategy as any other dem, except sanders would maybe lean heavier on the upper midwest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 05:14:12 PM
i don't think this is a winning argument.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1097909024673185793
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2019, 05:48:33 PM
chuckled at this

https://twitter.com/kashanacauley/status/1097872478729203712?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
 :lol: at Booker winning, he cant orate like Obama, he comes across angry, he actually has a record and its not good, and we are living in a post Obama world.  He has no prayer, anyone who thinks differently doesn't have a clue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 06:37:16 PM
:lol: at Booker winning, he cant orate like Obama, he comes across angry, he actually has a record and its not good, and we are living in a post Obama world.  He has no prayer, anyone who thinks differently doesn't have a clue.

"comes off as angry".  good lord.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 19, 2019, 06:42:28 PM
 would win good grief
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2019, 06:45:08 PM
he's not angry? I was afraid he would eat the peoples faces off at the hearings
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 19, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
most people think his political personality challenge is convincing people that he actually is a giant goofy ball of hugs and not a slick politician pretending to be the friendliest person in the world.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2019, 06:51:11 PM
Booker is grandstanding, not angry
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 19, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
I can't wait for Booker to answer questions about his very real friend T-Bone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 19, 2019, 07:44:35 PM
he's not angry? I was afraid he would eat the peoples faces off at the hearings

This is the tone that his primary voters were wanting
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 19, 2019, 08:23:01 PM
You guys really should be talking about Pete more.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 19, 2019, 09:43:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Lis_Smith/status/1098031322348617729

I'm listening...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
That's the best 2020 platform I've heard from a candidate yet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 19, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
You know what, Pete, I think that WOULD actually be a bit more of a departure from the norms than what Republicans have done up to this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
You know what, Pete, I think that WOULD actually be a bit more of a departure from the norms than what Republicans have done up to this point.

Very true, but watch the resident lipderp lapdogs lap it up!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2019, 11:35:51 PM
I really enjoy this genre of tweet right next to the "Kamala is a cop" genre
 
https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1098075808722272256

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1097897255904829440

https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/1097937858122399744

https://twitter.com/_celia_bedelia_/status/1097914219507404801
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 19, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
I know what the James Gandolfini's of the world will say when it comes to Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2019, 11:43:10 PM
I know what the James Gandolfini's of the world will say when it comes to Pete

I'm reserving judgment until T.I. weighs in on our guy Pete Butt.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
I would have thought that Breadline Bernie would be what resident LibDerp Nation wanted and clamored for . . . .weird.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 20, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
(https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/mp/products/T48A2MPA78PT17X0Y34D11163906S43/views/1,width=800,height=800,appearanceId=228,backgroundColor=F2F2F2,version=1527144656/mad-team-pete-men-kids-t-shirt.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2019, 12:24:33 PM
for comparison, harris raised something like 1.5 million on her first day.

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1098226061475790849
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 20, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would have thought that Breadline Bernie would be what resident LibDerp Nation wanted and clamored for . . . .weird.

you would have thought a lot of zany ass crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 20, 2019, 03:40:44 PM
PETE! PETE! PETE!

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1098284402134593536?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2019, 03:44:20 PM
Peeeeeeeeete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2019, 07:32:01 PM
https://twitter.com/andreagrimes/status/1098334969242411009

Enjoy the replies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2019, 08:03:44 PM
Oh whatever will Bernie do with hostile opposition against his candidacy within the Democratic Party?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 20, 2019, 09:54:25 PM
I appreciate that being gay didn't alter Petes speaking style, never have figured out what thats all about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2019, 10:36:31 PM
I appreciate that being gay didn't alter Petes speaking style, never have figured out what thats all about.

MAGA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 20, 2019, 11:06:10 PM
I appreciate that being gay didn't alter Petes speaking style, never have figured out what thats all about.

MAGA

Do you know what its about stevedave, why would somebody talk differently because they kiss the same sex.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2019, 07:00:28 AM
I appreciate that being gay didn't alter Petes speaking style, never have figured out what thats all about.

MAGA

Do you know what its about stevedave, why would somebody talk differently because they kiss the same sex.

Put your two posts on a picture of tea lizard and post to the Meade, KS buy/sell/trade Facebook group immediately


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on February 21, 2019, 07:03:05 AM
Ha (@ Steve Dave. The other guy is gross)


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 21, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
I appreciate that being gay didn't alter Petes speaking style, never have figured out what thats all about.

MAGA

Do you know what its about stevedave, why would somebody talk differently because they kiss the same sex.

Put your two posts on a picture of tea lizard and post to the Meade, KS buy/sell/trade Facebook group immediately


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
this is very well said.

Quote
electability is the ability to project diff images to diff groups simultaneously.

https://twitter.com/databyler/status/1098668607276572674
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
Trump was very successful with that too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2019, 02:48:48 PM
In '16 I mean, I think 2 years of actually having to choose and implement policy has hurt him a lot. In '16 he was basically whatever each voter wanted him to be
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 21, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/beto-orourke-says-hes-open-to-being-a-vice-presidential-candidate-in-2020-2019-02-20?mod=mw_share_facebook&fbclid=IwAR32cOaqefZU9Bk5fiy0yLEF2DQEZ6PY2iABDSZePxome2HdJJtRVBz-E7E
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2019, 03:27:31 PM
vp beto needs to attach himself to the basically in the grave bern'dog now. he'll be crowned in no time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2019, 08:36:57 PM
maybe pete should get his own thread

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1098373366099177472
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 09:57:51 AM
really interesting (long) article on beto's senate campaign.  as the article mentions, it's hard to see how the same strategy could be adapted to a primary campaign.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/22/beto-orourke-campaign-strategy-2020-225193
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/reid-praises-former-staffers-on-sanders-team-says-no-presidential-endorsement-until-after-caucus

hiring three reid staffers - one as campaign manager, seems like he's giving away the strategy.  win the early white states, forget about south carolina and try to tap into the reid machine to make nevada three wins out of the first four.  seems pretty realistic, but how much that momentum would help him survive super tuesday isn't clear to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 22, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1099026751710216193
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2019, 01:33:52 PM
Man, she sounds like a real bitch.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2019, 01:36:02 PM
Apparently Selina Meyer on veep is heavily based on Klobuchar stories
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 01:42:42 PM
use two pens as chopsticks next time, klobsie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
Apparently Selina Meyer on veep is heavily based on Klobuchar stories

link me to her gary asap pls
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 22, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
link me to her gary asap pls

Quote
Erikka Knuti, a former communications aide to the senator, described her experience as broadly positive and said Ms. Klobuchar could be contrite at times, remembering a gesture of regret from the senator once after she snapped at Ms. Knuti in an elevator in front of another lawmaker. “That wasn’t O.K.,” she recalled Ms. Klobuchar telling her. “It made me feel valued,” Ms. Knuti said.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2019, 01:53:54 PM
wow chum that was quick!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1099752324195590145
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 24, 2019, 06:52:25 PM
Sys do Hispanics lean more conservative in the American political spectrum outside of the obvious immigration issues?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 24, 2019, 07:07:35 PM
Depends
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
Sys do Hispanics lean more conservative in the American political spectrum outside of the obvious immigration issues?

lean more conservative than whom?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 24, 2019, 07:18:09 PM
The general populous
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2019, 07:24:27 PM
less conservative than the general populace.  no where close to as single party as black voters.  highly variable by nationality of origin and region.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2019, 12:28:35 PM
Fight the good fight, Pete

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1100006265382674433
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2019, 01:18:41 PM
It’s so obvious idk why we’re even still talking about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 25, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
It would require a constitutional amendment, which will never happen because those small states that currently have all the power would have to concede that power to have the amendment ratified.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
What power? No one gaf about how the small states vote precisely because of the electoral college.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 26, 2019, 08:22:33 AM
Small states have more votes than their population would proportionately have.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 26, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/431425-colorado-governor-will-sign-bill-aimed-at-bypassing-electoral-college
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
It's just as stupid as the electoral college smdh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2019, 08:35:17 AM
It's just as stupid as the electoral college smdh

It's even dumber, really.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2019, 09:04:27 AM
very good poll (natl) for sanders.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1100391403165806592
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
very good poll (natl) for sanders.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1100391403165806592

many trumpers, like dax, are coming over to the socialist plank of Bernie's platform
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 11:48:35 AM
very good poll (natl) for sanders.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1100391403165806592

many trumpers, like dax, are coming over to the socialist plank of Bernie's platform

Strong words from a "just this past week" strong lined anti-farm subsidy guy.   Odd (but not surprising) timing.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 26, 2019, 12:21:50 PM
It's just as stupid as the electoral college smdh

It's even dumber, really.
Explain to me why it's dumb. It seems that it's effectively a popular vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
I probably should read the link, but I'm assuming it is the plan I heard was in their house a few weeks ago that pledges Colorado's electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular vote.

I don't like the idea that theoretically the states votes could go to a candidate that not a single person in the state voted for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2019, 12:32:21 PM
Yeah seems like a good move to me. Maybe the only realistic way to make the popular vote matter with how hard it is for congress to do literally anything significant.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2019, 12:33:29 PM
I probably should read the link, but I'm assuming it is the plan I heard was in their house a few weeks ago that pledges Colorado's electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular vote.

I don't like the idea that theoretically the states votes could go to a candidate that not a single person in the state voted for.

It isn’t effective until enough states join to give the equivalent of the 270 needed to win.

If your concern is that could happen without any of Colorado’s citizens actually voting for the winning candidate, then you simply don’t support a popular vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
And that is why you should read a link.

I guess that's better than nothing, but I'd rather get rid of the ec totally.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2019, 12:59:22 PM
one problem (not necessarily fatal) is that you would have a de facto national vote without any mechanism for national oversight (disfranchisement, fraud, recounts, etc.).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
It's just as stupid as the electoral college smdh

It's even dumber, really.
Explain to me why it's dumb. It seems that it's effectively a popular vote.

It's still the electoral college, only the state is disenfranchising its own voters to an even greater extent than the electoral college does, in favor of whatever people in other states vote for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 01:12:38 PM
Breadline Bernie is raking in a pretty high amount of contributions.




Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2019, 01:13:43 PM
Breadline Bernie is raking in a pretty high amount of contributions.

Yeah, he doesn't have to make bread. Plenty of people wiling to give it to him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2019, 01:20:50 PM
It's still the electoral college, only the state is disenfranchising its own voters to an even greater extent than the electoral college does, in favor of whatever people in other states vote for.

it only take effect if/when states summing 270 or more electoral votes agree to it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2019, 01:21:41 PM
It's still the electoral college, only the state is disenfranchising its own voters to an even greater extent than the electoral college does, in favor of whatever people in other states vote for.

it only take effect if/when states summing 270 or more electoral votes agree to it.

Oh, that isn't bad, then. I was thinking it was going to be effective immediately.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
one problem (not necessarily fatal) is that you would have a de facto national vote without any mechanism for national oversight (disfranchisement, fraud, recounts, etc.).

I don’t really see that as an issue since states will still have an interest in curbing voter fraud.

The bigger issue to me is enforcement. Say you have a state like California. The Republican candidate wins the popular vote by a super slim margin, but electoral college would have gone to the Democrat. Nothing is stopping the CA electors from saying, ok just this one time we think we should vote for the person who overwhelmingly won our state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2019, 01:26:32 PM
Or they could even split for that matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
i mean, there's nothing to stop electoral voters from voting for whoever the eff they want to now.  nothing changes in that regard.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2019, 01:33:31 PM
correction.  federal law allows electors to vote for whoever the eff they want; however states may pass laws to bind electors.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2019, 01:35:32 PM
The motivation changes. Right now it doesn’t make much sense for an elector to vote differently than their state does. Under this system they’re being asked to vote against their state in some circumstances. But yes, at this point there’s not much reason to think they’d defy their mandate from the state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 27, 2019, 09:34:18 PM
harris is an ice agent.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1100844398080860162
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2019, 06:40:17 AM
The Bernie/Beto ticket should be called the NOT A Cop ticket


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2019, 06:53:22 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/socialists4beto/status/1100940395977023489?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 10:12:45 AM
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1101125771295408128
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 10:20:19 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/socialists4beto/status/1100940395977023489?s=21


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I lol'd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 11:31:58 AM
https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1101107655987347456
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
he should be wearing a helmet, my goodness
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 11:39:17 AM
especially in El Paso
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 11:47:20 AM
it's the safest city in america, michigancat.  also, helmets are a scam.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 12:02:39 PM
this is the only thing i've seen so far that is legit worrisome for 2020.  someone somewhere in the responses to this mentioned that a d +5 popular vote could yield a r electoral college win.

https://twitter.com/kkondik/status/1101095095548477444
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 12:05:50 PM
helmets are a scam.

I would like to learn more about this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 12:31:54 PM
i saw a tweet with a graph yesterday (in a beto helmetgate thread).  if i run across it again, i'll post it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 12:43:15 PM
i just googled for it and found it.  not very good data, actually.  messy.

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/06/02/why-helmets-arent-the-answer-to-bike-safety-in-one-chart/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on February 28, 2019, 01:59:06 PM
I'm guessing that if you are hit by a car riding a bike helmet or not you are pretty effed.

Maybe need a bike helmet TBI chart.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 02:12:00 PM
i just googled for it and found it.  not very good data, actually.  messy.

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/06/02/why-helmets-arent-the-answer-to-bike-safety-in-one-chart/

sheesh

Quote
Despite the high rate of helmet use in the U.S., helmet campaigns have clearly failed to make cycling as safe as it should be. If anything, they’ve distracted from the much more important work of designing safer streets and reducing motor vehicle speeds in cities.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 02:18:24 PM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1101200815891464192
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
sanders is either walking warren's dog or walking her as one would walk a dog.  dunno which.

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1101219608726593537
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 03:43:31 PM
sanders is either walking warren's dog or walking her as one would walk a dog.  dunno which.

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1101219608726593537

Sanders is walking Warren as one would walk a dog
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 03:46:51 PM
I feel like New Hampshire and Vermont should be big time rivals and that New Hampshire people should hate Bernie's guts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 03:49:19 PM
actually, it looks more like it has been harris doing the walking.

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1101221916105498624
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 03:51:21 PM
I feel like New Hampshire and Vermont should be big time rivals and that New Hampshire people should hate Bernie's guts.

i think people make way too much of any sort of neighboring state effect.  despite the lack of wall, those borders are real.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Many libs are pissed at Beto for choosing not to run for Senate. I think I'll join them.

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1101123394156851200
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1101168979207487489
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 28, 2019, 04:19:27 PM
He wouldn’t have beaten Cornyn.  Cornyn is way more popular in Texas than Cruz.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
they're not actually mad that he's not running for senate.  they're mad that he's running for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 04:26:42 PM
I feel like New Hampshire and Vermont should be big time rivals and that New Hampshire people should hate Bernie's guts.

i think people make way too much of any sort of neighboring state effect.  despite the lack of wall, those borders are real.

I've heard NH is super weirdo conservative and VT is uber liberal. Like for real!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
they're not actually mad that he's not running for senate.  they're mad that he's running for president.

Why would the be pissed about that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
because they prefer a different candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
heh.

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1101552264567767045
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 03:39:16 PM
a pleasant narrative for the pete fans.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1101566601252519937
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 04:25:28 PM
 :Woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2019, 08:31:59 AM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1102213880850378752
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2019, 11:23:25 AM
For how many there are in the general population, it’s amazing how difficult it is to find a smart and reasonable presidential candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2019, 11:35:55 AM
Trump voters say loudly and clearly that they prefer someone both dumb and unreasonable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2019, 11:36:38 AM
For how many there are in the general population, it’s amazing how difficult it is to find a smart and reasonable presidential candidate.

Why would a smart, reasonable person subject themselves to a presidential campaign?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2019, 09:30:49 AM
 :excited:

they just throw this in like it's a known thing, but i have not seen it previously reported that she was seriously considering running.

Quote
Four top-tier potential Democratic Senate candidates — John Hickenlooper in Colorado, Stacey Abrams in Georgia, Beto O’Rourke in Texas and Mr. Bullock — are seriously exploring presidential campaigns

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/us/politics/senate-democrats-2020.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
Is Biden the best bet against Trump? I mean, plenty of potential Trump voters would vote for him yet never for Bernie, right?

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1102590362479218692
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
Biden would win, yes. He’s so old though.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
There seems to be an inconsistency between polls that say voters favor younger candidates and polls that say voters favor Biden and Sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2019, 09:52:54 AM
Also consider Biden would essentially negate Schulz’s impact on the race while Bernie would exacerbate it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 04, 2019, 10:00:10 AM
Schulz is going to be a non-factor the entire race.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2019, 10:06:40 AM
Schulz is going to be a non-factor the entire race.

if he actually runs, he won't be a non-factor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 04, 2019, 10:36:20 AM
At the moment the only candidates that the dems could put in front of me that would compel me to vote for president at all are Pete and Beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
good article on beto.  highlights the "is he pragmatic or inconstant" question.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/04/beto-o-rourke-progressive-2020-225441
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on March 04, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
biden beto
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2019, 11:46:34 AM
biden beto

Yeah, this is a winner


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2019, 12:56:13 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSteveCox/status/1102592484889178112
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
no beto.   :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 03:38:00 PM
bloomberg officially out.  i always assumed he was too smart to decide to run.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-05/our-highest-office-my-deepest-obligation
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 04:05:07 PM
sounds like there's a legit shot she runs.


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1102912907854180352
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2019, 06:52:39 PM
so dumb
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 07:09:14 PM
so dumb

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
A competitive race for Georgia governor or Senate or a longshot bid in a field of like 20 candidates for president?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 08:13:34 PM
she has the talent to win.  the field is wide open this year.  she may never have another chance this good.  if she has any interest in being president she'd be foolish not to run.


the deadline to declare for the senate in georgia isn't until march 9.  theoretically she could go all the way through super tuesday and still enter the senate race.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 08:14:29 PM
and ga gov isn't until 2022.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
she has the talent to win.  the field is wide open this year.  she may never have another chance this good.  if she has any interest in being president she'd be foolish not to run.


the deadline to declare for the senate in georgia isn't until march 9.  theoretically she could go all the way through super tuesday and still enter the senate race.

none of this is true.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 09:34:41 PM
it is absolutely true.  indeed, the fact that you are here complaining about her possibly running is evidence that she is a dangerous candidate.  there aren't any bernie bros roaming around lamenting that pete buttigieg won't just run for mayor of indianapolis, damnit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2019, 09:51:37 PM
just curious why are you so interested in Abrams?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
i think she's a good politician and i like her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2019, 01:38:38 AM
this is deep into campaign trivia, but it's interesting to me.

https://twitter.com/BobMooreNews/status/1103026225570693121
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2019, 08:29:43 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1103476960980799488
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 02:55:08 AM
https://twitter.com/emarvelous/status/1103479101720006656
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 07, 2019, 04:03:12 AM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/S127iGTxQr28r3o8uz84H3H4lXf6gQEApHDJLXf_at8.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=7a1dd2ed7c151a9b5f5420018aebd599cf802f56)

YANG GANG
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 07, 2019, 06:54:57 AM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1103476960980799488

My guy!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 07, 2019, 09:03:18 AM
it is absolutely true.  indeed, the fact that you are here complaining about her possibly running is evidence that she is a dangerous candidate.  there aren't any bernie bros roaming around lamenting that pete buttigieg won't just run for mayor of indianapolis, damnit.

lol ok
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2019, 09:28:54 AM
if the sad 4chan folks are making yang memes...yeesh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 07, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
if the sad 4chan folks are making yang memes...yeesh

seems like alt-right like him :\

whatever works. personally very biased. i didnt have any heros growing up that looked like me, and having one as the freaking president would be amazing for little stunteds out there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 07, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Globohomo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 07, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Biden-s-tough-talk-on-desegregation-in-1970s-13670856.php

Just so resident LibDerp Nation is clear on who they're getting in Joe "double guns trigger fingers" Biden in Ray-Bans:

On top of being for segregation.

Ol Double Guns McGrabby was for:  Bringing them to heal, Iraq War . . . pretty much any other war you can think of during his tenure in Federal Gov't, and many other things LibDerp Nation supposedly hates until a Republican decides he/she hates them as well.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
brown not running.  first one that is a bit of a surprise.  unrelated to brown's announcement, i've changed my mind on thinking that biden would eventually decide not to run.  seems like he's in.


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1103709883348721664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 03:38:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ASankin/status/1103739473827893248
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 07, 2019, 03:40:07 PM
That's amazing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 07, 2019, 06:03:26 PM
I am prepared to look like an idiot, but I think this is a two-person race.  Bernie and Harris.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 07, 2019, 06:23:12 PM
Literally everyone on here except me is an idiot that thought T-dawg wouldn't win.  So it has nothing to do with who you think will get the D nommy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 07, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
Stunted beat you to the trump train but he's on the yang gang now so...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 07, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
you have proof that stunted (not a real person afaik) was gE first Trump stud
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
https://twitter.com/VFHIVE/status/1103768442694451201
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 07:42:21 PM
I am prepared to look like an idiot, but I think this is a two-person race.  Bernie and Harris.

i'd like to hear your argument, but that's crazy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
I am prepared to look like an idiot, but I think this is a two-person race.  Bernie and Harris.

https://twitter.com/rudnicknoah/status/1101220546195456000
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
it would be interesting to see how that compares to past elections
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 08:18:20 PM
it would be interesting to see how that compares to past elections

not that people might not have already decided on who they supported, but at this point in time in past elections there were no declared candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 08:39:02 PM
michigancat, do you like harris?  not as a presidential candidate, just like, do you like her or no?  it just occurred to me that i've never seen a california approval poll for her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
found one.  her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.


Quote
California voters approve 53 - 32 percent of the job Harris is doing as a U.S. Senator.

https://poll.qu.edu/california/release-detail?ReleaseID=2599
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2019, 11:41:00 PM
her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.

completely misremembered the beto #, which should have been obvious.  50-30 is just his latino number in tx.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 07, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
found one.  her approval is almost exactly the same as beto's tx approval.


Quote
California voters approve 53 - 32 percent of the job Harris is doing as a U.S. Senator.

https://poll.qu.edu/california/release-detail?ReleaseID=2599

Link to beto's tx approval, assuming you're not just a shitty reader?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 01:04:23 AM
https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/8d20e122bdfa9fe633afa0be5c9be72c/ut-tt-2019-03-xtabs.pdf?_ga=2.218422489.1358509070.1551989965-938553833.1527863505
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 01:12:55 AM
here's the relevant part.

https://twitter.com/AlexGonzTXCA/status/1103819825397215233
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 08, 2019, 11:35:25 AM
michigancat, do you like harris?  not as a presidential candidate, just like, do you like her or no?  it just occurred to me that i've never seen a california approval poll for her.

she seems like Hillary 2.0 to me only a little more progressive to appease the shift in the party

Progressives say she's a cop and black twitter makes fun of her a lot and some of the stuff she did as DA was pretty bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 08, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
My theory of the race is pretty simple. 

There are a lot of candidates that have zero shot in this race:
gillibrand, klobuchar, buttigeg (sp?), castro, hickenlooper, yang, gabbard, inslee

then there are people that have some sort of shot:
booker, warren, sanders, harris

of those 4, we can pretty clearly divide them in to 2 groups:
warren/bernie- DNC would not like to win
booker/harris- DNC would like to win

harris is going to have much more appeal to actual voters than Booker's bizarre complete lack of a platform bromides and he will get hit hard by even Harris on Wall St. stuff

Bernie has built his own fundraising base and has a whole infrastructure from his last run that will overwhelm warren even if she surprises in Iowa

do you want me to talk about Biden?  He has no shot, he is going to get completely destroyed from all sides.
Abrams/Beto? let's wait for the roll out, but I would say Beto has the higher name ID and a slightly better shot, but I don't think he will be able to work his schtick for the whole time without getting in to policy at some point and I don't think his fundraising or style of politics will be nearly as appealing in a big dem primary as opposed to against someone as despicable as Ted Cruz in a place where he got tons of outside money from people trying to grab a Texas Senate seat. I just don't see it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2019, 12:05:43 PM
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 08, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
Pete are you seeing this crap bro?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 08, 2019, 12:14:07 PM
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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yeah this one of his problems.  I think post #metoo his grabbiness looks a lot different.  I think post-#BLM his anti-bussing is bad.  I think post-Bernie his record on Delaware Credit Card/financial services stuff looks particularly bad.  Almost any topic that is going to come up he is going to have a really hard time with.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 08, 2019, 12:16:40 PM
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Dax too  :emawkid:

Oh, I'm definitely going Biden if it's him vs Trump.  Even if I know Joe is going to be a sock puppet of the horrible Obama legacy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 08, 2019, 01:47:33 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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Dax too  :emawkid:

Oh, I'm definitely going Biden if it's him vs Trump.  Even if I know Joe is going to be a sock puppet of the horrible Obama legacy.

BUDS!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 07:45:22 PM
she seems like Hillary 2.0 to me.

i don't know what you mean by that (warpig, untalented politician, establishment shill, poll-tested say anything bot?), but it's interesting because there does seem to be more overlap than i would have guessed a priori between hillary-would-have-wonners and harris supporters, at least on twitter.  there's also this.

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1104054645612335107


i also have no idea if this possible association is good, bad or meaningless for harris.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
My theory of the race is pretty simple...

in general, i think you are a projecting far too much certainty in some aspects of the status quo (harris maintaining her lead among non-biden/bernie candidates) and far too little in other aspects (biden falling apart).  i refer you back to the graph i posted indicating that like 90%ish of the electorate are undecided.  most of those probably wouldn't be able to name more than three candidates unprompted.

i also have some quibbles with your statement of the status quo.  for example, you list warren in the top tier.  her poll numbers have been falling pretty steadily almost from since her post-launch bump and she is reportedly already experiencing money problems.  i'd consider her more likely to withdraw before iowa than end up in the top 4.


imo, anyone that a) has access to enough money to keep a legit campaign afloat for a year, and b) has demonstrated political appeal has a shot at this.  there's a reason the field is so large (and growing), there's no one with an advantage large enough to scare other candidates out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2019, 08:03:53 PM
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
and assuming ben sasse doesn't out of the blue primary trump's ancient ass I'll vote for biden's ancient ass
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 08, 2019, 08:37:23 PM
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.

#notmypresident
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
if biden runs, and is in the hunt, obama will endorse him. and he'll be your next president.

obama will not officially endorse any candidate.  he might give a soft endorsement to someone, but i very much doubt it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 08, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
quit posting about old boring white dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87M2HwkZZcw

yang is for the people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 08, 2019, 11:20:47 PM
Talk about Biden. I’d vote for his ancient old ass over some of those chumps like Bernie, Warren but I’m not a dem so won’t get to.


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So who are you voting for, if Thump is unopposed? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 11:50:06 PM
yang is for the people.

https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1104119574247677953
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2019, 06:43:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1104099981131157505
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 09, 2019, 07:12:45 AM
My theory of the race is pretty simple...

in general, i think you are a projecting far too much certainty in some aspects of the status quo (harris maintaining her lead among non-biden/bernie candidates) and far too little in other aspects (biden falling apart).  i refer you back to the graph i posted indicating that like 90%ish of the electorate are undecided.  most of those probably wouldn't be able to name more than three candidates unprompted.

i also have some quibbles with your statement of the status quo.  for example, you list warren in the top tier.  her poll numbers have been falling pretty steadily almost from since her post-launch bump and she is reportedly already experiencing money problems.  i'd consider her more likely to withdraw before iowa than end up in the top 4.


imo, anyone that a) has access to enough money to keep a legit campaign afloat for a year, and b) has demonstrated political appeal has a shot at this.  there's a reason the field is so large (and growing), there's no one with an advantage large enough to scare other candidates out.

This is my best guess and it is way too early.  I didn't know that about Warren, but I don't think she will give up before Iowa, but if she does that is another huge boost to Bernie (along with Sherrod Brown not running).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 09, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1104414108294750209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 09, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
i've been sitting on socialistsforhickenlooper.com since early '15, so you can imagine how relieved i am that he was able to keep the brand alive.

https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1104022020453478400
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
i've been sitting on socialistsforhickenlooper.com since early '15, so you can imagine how relieved i am that he was able to keep the brand alive.

https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1104022020453478400
lol that was odd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2019, 08:14:30 AM
imagine the excitement of this dinner

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1104731744153018369
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2019, 08:38:59 AM
"Liz. (arugla leafe protruding from his mouth, balsamic/pine nut mix crusting over the corner of his mouth) You can't run because you are a woman and the BernieBros will never put up with it.  Look what they did to Hillary. You know the Indian thing hurts you too, Boston Braves? Left for Atlanta.  Which, by the way, you will not make it past New Hampshire to the South.  You're done."

(https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/media/bernieeats13315722_1224924777520276_1380847445595011897_n_0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1104922631076225025
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 11, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Uh oh.... people are getting scared of Pete and are putting him in their cross-hairs.

#teampete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 10:09:15 AM
pretty sure that was positive coverage, actually.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 11, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
Sad I missed this townhall, lots of really great quotes in this.

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1105145606669037568
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1105139678594977792
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 07:20:02 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/)

in a couple of months, i think we'll have a considerably better idea of how the election is likely to play out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2019, 07:26:41 PM
Sys how many of these candidates do you think make it to the first debate? I would like to see the top 7 stick around until then at least.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
 :lol:

https://twitter.com/viaCristiano/status/1105235358596386821
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
Sys how many of these candidates do you think make it to the first debate? I would like to see the top 7 stick around until then at least.

all of them that qualify, i would think.  there's no pressure point that would force them out beforehand.


i've seen people that seem like they know what they're talking about say that candidates basically never withdraw until they run out of money.  and they don't really need money before the debate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2019, 07:33:31 PM
That’s great news, I’m considering breaking my own rule and voting for Biden despite a near certainty he has dementia.  Would like to see some good theatrics in the leadup to doing so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 11, 2019, 07:37:58 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-iii/)

in a couple of months, i think we'll have a considerably better idea of how the election is likely to play out.

Why?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 11, 2019, 07:43:53 PM
kinda going off that silver article you posted.  i think you can key off biden and bernie.  if a month after biden is in his polls are up, he's more likely than not gonna win.  if he's down, then look at bernie.  if biden is falling and bernie moves over 30% then he's more likely than not gonna win.

if biden falls and bernie is static or falls then it's more likely than not gonna be one of the newcomers.  maybe you'll be able to pick out a favorite, or maybe not, but at least you'll have an idea that there's a good chance it'll be one of them.


if neither biden nor bernie moves, then i dunno.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2019, 08:03:01 PM
https://twitter.com/LedPast/status/1105060876929839104
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on March 11, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
walker, lol.  probably one repub who would be worse than trump even.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 11, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
Sys how many of these candidates do you think make it to the first debate? I would like to see the top 7 stick around until then at least.
I gave $3 to Pete tonight so he gets enough donors to qualify for the debate.

#teampete


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 11, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
Someone link me a video where Pete pronounces his own last name, tia
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2019, 09:02:45 AM
How many candidates did the republicans have in their first debate? I remember they used polling and everyone who didn't make the cut had to debate at the little kids' table with Lindsey. To me, that would be the first clear sign that you need to end your candidacy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2019, 09:08:21 AM
The pubs had the top 10 in the first debate.

The first dem debate is actually 2 nights because they expect so many people. They are going to randomly assign nights so it's not the big kids v little kids. There are some qualifications like raising a certain amount of money from a certain amount of people. I don't know if polling is part of it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2019, 09:09:27 AM
I donated $10 to Pete to help him make the debates. First political contribution ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/1105206792429154309
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 04:02:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1105550061499486211
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 04:05:27 PM
Bernie needs to start talking to his peers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on March 12, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/1105206792429154309

i know you have to have a pretty big ego to get into politics, but how do you say crap like "20 years ago, I never thought I would be ready to run for President until 2028" and not know how big of an eyeroll that gets from normal people
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2019, 05:28:58 PM
Bernie needs to start talking to his peers.

Most of Bernie’s peers lived through decades of indoctrination about how bad socialism is and how great American bootstrap capitalism is. It’s a pretty big hurdle to overcome for what he’s preaching.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 06:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RaisingDemizona/status/1105568032875667456
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
Seems pretty accurate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 07:57:38 PM
 :dunno:

https://twitter.com/AndrewGillum/status/1105546394016862210
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
less conservative than the general populace.  no where close to as single party as black voters.  highly variable by nationality of origin and region.

lol, meet more black people. I don't even know what this single issue is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
gmafb.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 10:15:48 PM
Sorry, I read "single party" as "single issue," I'm a dumbass and offer my sincerest apologies. I'm amazed at the sheer number of socially conservative blacks who are democrats, in some ways they are the 21st century dixiecrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 10:27:04 PM
Pete's going to play very well in Iowa. I hope his ground game is strong because he's going to generate a lot of headlines the longer this goes. He could be to the gay candidate what Obama was for the black candidate.
https://twitter.com/BrennaSimonSays/status/1105012462087270400
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 10:34:56 PM
offer my sincerest apologies.

my goodness.  you've mellowed in your time away from the politics board.  truly, our board culture has died.


Pete's going to play very well in Iowa.

yeah, he's good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 10:53:51 PM
offer my sincerest apologies.

my goodness.  you've mellowed in your time away from the politics board.  truly, our board culture has died.


Pete's going to play very well in Iowa.

yeah, he's good.

I apologize and admit fault a lot. If the search function wasn't so mumped I bet I've said some form of I'm sorry or I was wrong at least a dozen times. Strong opinions lead to being wrong on occasion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2019, 11:01:27 PM
yeah, i know you do.  just using the opportunity to observe how inoffensive everyone has become these days.  myself included (most of the time).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2019, 11:33:18 PM
yeah, i know you do.  just using the opportunity to observe how inoffensive everyone has become these days.  myself included (most of the time).

United against a common fool
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 13, 2019, 11:45:33 AM
it may not matter in a primary, but biden really does occupy (or at least start from) a unique position compared to all other dem candidates.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1105865656803700736
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2019, 09:26:19 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?
There are legitimate outside reasons to not support a Clinton
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2019, 09:34:36 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?
There are legitimate outside reasons to not support a Clinton

What percentage of people who would favor Biden over Hillary do you think could articulate what those things are? Are we holding her accountable for her husband's misdeeds? Where I sit Biden and Hillary have spent 30 years playing in the same pig pen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 13, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RaisingDemizona/status/1105568032875667456

LMAO


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?
There are legitimate outside reasons to not support a Clinton

What percentage of people who would favor Biden over Hillary do you think could articulate what those things are? Are we holding her accountable for her husband's misdeeds? Where I sit Biden and Hillary have spent 30 years playing in the same pig pen.
3%? I personally think you could fairly hold her complicit in some of those misdeeds and the aftermath.

90% of politics is likability not issues and Biden comes across much better than Hillary does. A vocal minority cares enough to know more than a 2 line description of a candidate. For the rest? :ck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 13, 2019, 09:45:13 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?

imo 99% of voters have a shitload of fudge when it comes to positions but zero when it comes to would they beat trumps entire ass into the ground and make him cry to his momma in a debate. Also Biden can work the other side of the aisle much better than Hillary would have. I know being a moderate old guard rino is not really a thing anymore but I’m resistant to change.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 13, 2019, 10:16:53 PM
I simply do not understand people who didn't like Hillary but favor Biden. Is it just misogyny because politically they're basically identical twins?

You have gone too far this time you son of a bitch!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 13, 2019, 11:27:48 PM
Progressives are going to have to consolidate around 1 candidate very quickly or you are going to get a moderate old white guy.  It's another setup so you better move fast.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 13, 2019, 11:41:16 PM
definitely read the vanity fair article when you have a half hour to spare, but this alt-beto article is more informative.


https://theintercept.com/2019/03/13/beto-orourke-running-president-started-weed/
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2019, 12:43:05 AM
I’ll read neither and let Twitter judge boths importance thank you very rough ridin' much


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 08:08:13 AM
more evidence that, for whatever reason, the people want joe biden and only joe biden.

https://twitter.com/gbennettpost/status/1106159132309184513
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 14, 2019, 08:36:07 AM
I go back and forth on Beto. And right now, I'm cold again. He needs to go out for tacos on his skateboard or something.

https://twitter.com/rudnicknoah/status/1106185070942044160
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2019, 09:11:08 AM
VP Beto on a Biden ticket is a winner


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 14, 2019, 09:25:08 AM
This logo sucks.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ji4m1ij20h/images/stencil/500x659/products/136/403/bfa-shirt-ladies-white-logo-min__26011.1552415849.png)

https://store.betoorourke.com/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 14, 2019, 09:28:07 AM
BETO:

(http://kicknkmotocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/generic-food-labels-historys-dumpster-generic-products-of-the-80s-templates.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2019, 09:29:31 AM
Beto will do well in this race. Just you wait.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 14, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
In for Biden/Beto 2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 10:01:09 AM
This logo sucks.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ji4m1ij20h/images/stencil/500x659/products/136/403/bfa-shirt-ladies-white-logo-min__26011.1552415849.png)

https://store.betoorourke.com/

his senate logo was fantastic.  love the simplicity and black/white instead of red/blue.  i'm not crazy about the "for america" part, i think just straight "beto" would be better, or maybe "beto 2020".  but maybe they're going to use the beto part on it's own and with other stuff and the "for america" is just one iteration.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2019, 10:01:22 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1106207984634466310
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 10:07:35 AM
heh.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1106204148142407680
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
VP Beto on a Biden ticket is a winner

evidence suggests that biden on his own is a winner.  and i think he should 1) pick a woman as a running mate and 2) not pick a vp that makes him seem even older than he already seems.

i'd advise most white male candidates to go convince abrams to run with them, but that might run afoul #2 with biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on March 14, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
I’m sick of super old guys being president, we should not do that


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on March 14, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
Don't trust anyone over 30.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 14, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
I go back and forth on Beto. And right now, I'm cold again. He needs to go out for tacos on his skateboard or something.

Good try. Not enough.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1106254450501529600
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on March 14, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
Don't trust anyone over 30.
or a man who plays guitar
[youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SdFvMiI-WE[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 09:01:31 PM
she's a premier vp pick, but she should try for the top of the ticket.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1106234587452198914
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2019, 12:10:00 AM
I go back and forth on Beto. And right now, I'm cold again. He needs to go out for tacos on his skateboard or something.

Good try. Not enough.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1106254450501529600

The homie sisco has eaten on that very counter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2019, 12:49:20 AM
why do all the alt-lite and IDW guys like Yang?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2019, 06:14:43 AM
https://twitter.com/prophethusband/status/1106330421640470528?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 15, 2019, 06:37:23 AM
This logo sucks.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ji4m1ij20h/images/stencil/500x659/products/136/403/bfa-shirt-ladies-white-logo-min__26011.1552415849.png)

https://store.betoorourke.com/

his senate logo was fantastic.  love the simplicity and black/white instead of red/blue.  i'm not crazy about the "for america" part, i think just straight "beto" would be better, or maybe "beto 2020".  but maybe they're going to use the beto part on it's own and with other stuff and the "for america" is just one iteration.

lmao

https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1106167996752510977
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 15, 2019, 07:25:19 AM
texans love whataburger.  unfortunately, that doesn't carryover nationally, but it's still a great logo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 15, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
Beto the misogynist.  SMDH


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/politics/beto-orourke-wife-amy.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 15, 2019, 07:51:35 AM
:jerk: (not you Dax, the NYT)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2019, 07:52:31 AM
texans love whataburger.  unfortunately, that doesn't carryover nationally, but it's still a great logo.

Yeah. It’s funny that people outside of Texas are just now reacting to that logo. Everyone in Texas knew what it was nodding to, and they loved it.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2019, 07:55:15 AM
Oh and to be clear for those who weren’t following: that’s the exact same logo he used in his senate campaign. It just switches the “for senate” (maybe it was “for Texas”?) to “for America.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 15, 2019, 08:26:17 AM
Oh, wait. Now that I know it's a Whataburger rip-off, I love it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
https://twitter.com/prophethusband/status/1106330421640470528?s=19

that is a good tweet
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2019, 02:04:08 PM
Beto the misogynist.  SMDH


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/politics/beto-orourke-wife-amy.html

For fucks sake. We live in a society of miserable haters who can't stand to see others happy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2019, 02:08:08 PM
https://twitter.com/prophethusband/status/1106330421640470528?s=19

that is a good tweet

yeah it was an irl lol. what a punch line
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 15, 2019, 03:32:17 PM
Beto the misogynist.  SMDH


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/politics/beto-orourke-wife-amy.html

For fucks sake. We live in a society of miserable haters who can't stand to see others happy.

Note.  I think the article and response by some to the announcement is absolutely silly. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
He had some medium post where he was rough ridin' around in like western kansas or colorado and called his wife who was driving the kids around in the minivan and he felt like they "couldn't connect" and my wife read it and was super pissed off.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
He had some medium post where he was rough ridin' around in like western kansas or colorado and called his wife who was driving the kids around in the minivan and he felt like they "couldn't connect" and my wife read it and was super pissed off.

I had no idea who this dude was until dax posted that article but it appears as if he's either friends or family with Chris Lowery.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 16, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/a4e695d554e1c062a5fba119b21b41c4.png)

LOOK AT HIM GOOO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
stunted, can you explain why people like him?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/amanbatheja/status/1106695963807309828
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 16, 2019, 02:23:46 PM
stunted, can you explain why people like him?

1000/month, young, seems smart and trustworthy, interesting platform. Need someone to calm the waters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2019, 02:30:21 PM
k that's fair. do you think the 4chan guys like him for these reasons?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on March 16, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
i don't know, what are you thinking?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
 :surprised:
lmao

i'm almost positive that the reason they haven't released the fundraising numbers yet is not that they were very poor.  we'll see, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2019, 05:18:32 PM
:surprised:
lmao

i'm almost positive that the reason they haven't released the fundraising numbers yet is not that they were very poor.  we'll see, though.

Yes, it is very common for campaigns to not immediately release fundraising numbers when they look great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 05:29:33 PM
they're going to be released eventually, in some form.  if they were really bad, i think the move to would be to get it out of the way quickly.  and i don't think the idea that the numbers were really bad fits the available information.

i've been curious about this since it became an issue and i've cycled through various hypotheses, none of which has convinced me for more than a couple of hours.  so, i'm just kinda waiting to see when it comes out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2019, 05:38:28 PM
they're going to be released eventually, in some form.  if they were really bad, i think the move to would be to get it out of the way quickly.  and i don't think the idea that the numbers were really bad fits the available information.

i've been curious about this since it became an issue and i've cycled through various hypotheses, none of which has convinced me for more than a couple of hours.  so, i'm just kinda waiting to see when it comes out.

What are your other hypotheses?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 05:46:51 PM
they're going to be released eventually, in some form.  if they were really bad, i think the move to would be to get it out of the way quickly.  and i don't think the idea that the numbers were really bad fits the available information.

i've been curious about this since it became an issue and i've cycled through various hypotheses, none of which has convinced me for more than a couple of hours.  so, i'm just kinda waiting to see when it comes out.

What are your other hypotheses?

1st was that his numbers were poor, 2nd was that his number was middling good, but worse than bernie's 24 hr numbers so he was going to wait and report a 72 or 96 hr number that beat bernie's 24 hr number, 3rd was that he's just weird and his senate campaign was weird and apparently also refused to comment on numbers and then released huge numbers in FEC filings.

haven't come up with a 4th yet.  kinda stopped trying.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 08:36:07 PM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1106938266778025990
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 16, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
#Buttimentum

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 07:55:53 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/e6f5935ef650aa94a159524d7e4e80c0.jpg)

#teampete.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2019, 08:12:17 AM
I’m getting some Pete fever over here


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 08:27:27 AM
Pete is about to be on Chris Matthew’s show on Fox.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on March 17, 2019, 08:40:36 AM
Do you mean Chris Wallace or did I wake up in some sort of bizarro world alternate dimension?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 09:31:44 AM
Do you mean Chris Wallace or did I wake up in some sort of bizarro world alternate dimension?
Oh yeah.. Chris Wallace.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
1st was that his numbers were poor, 2nd was that his number was middling good, but worse than bernie's 24 hr numbers so he was going to wait and report a 72 or 96 hr number that beat bernie's 24 hr number, 3rd was that he's just weird and his senate campaign was weird and apparently also refused to comment on numbers and then released huge numbers in FEC filings.

i'm back to half-believing #2, but more based on some money guy's theory of how to squeeze the most money out of donors than as a pr thing.  i'm on beto's fundraising list.  i got like 4 emails and a text asking for money on day 1.  nothing on days 2 & 3 and now have gotten one email begging for money today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
With Biden in, I think Bernie cruises.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 06:53:48 PM
really good number for sanders.  this is the third straight poll (that i've seen) with better numbers for warren too.  suggests her apparent swoon a couple weeks back was probably random polling error.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1107372365346938881
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 06:56:28 PM
 Biden isn’t even running.


#teampete.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
1st was that his numbers were poor, 2nd was that his number was middling good, but worse than bernie's 24 hr numbers so he was going to wait and report a 72 or 96 hr number that beat bernie's 24 hr number, 3rd was that he's just weird and his senate campaign was weird and apparently also refused to comment on numbers and then released huge numbers in FEC filings.

i'm back to half-believing #2, but more based on some money guy's theory of how to squeeze the most money out of donors than as a pr thing.  i'm on beto's fundraising list.  i got like 4 emails and a text asking for money on day 1.  nothing on days 2 & 3 and now have gotten one email begging for money today.

There is no rough ridin' way Beto is raising $6 million his first week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2019, 09:06:04 PM
Who TF is giving Beto any cash? Who does he appeal to over some other candidate?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2019, 09:08:21 PM
Who TF is giving Beto any cash? Who does he appeal to over some other candidate?


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People are looking at his big donor list on ActBlue and how he can leverage that in to big fundraisng numbers and forgetting the fact that a bunch of people wanted him to beat TED rough ridin' CRUZ IN TEXAS FOR A SENATE SEAT! NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HIM ANY MORE!

sys' weird idea that losing a senate/governor race in a red state is a good launch point for a dem presidential campaign is going to be the funniest part of 2020 election.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 09:21:33 PM
I gave money to Pete. Everyone should be.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2019, 09:22:58 PM
Yeah, if I’m donating to anyone it’s gonna be Pete or mys pub challenger


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 17, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
I would vote for Pete. I like the fact that he highlighted Millennial as a reason to vote for him.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 09:52:19 PM
Who TF is giving Beto any cash? Who does he appeal to over some other candidate?

me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 09:55:22 PM
People are looking at his big donor list on ActBlue and how he can leverage that in to big fundraisng numbers and forgetting the fact that a bunch of people wanted him to beat TED rough ridin' CRUZ IN TEXAS FOR A SENATE SEAT! NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HIM ANY MORE!

obviously that's true.  but having a list is better than not.  and dems are throwing money everywhere this year.  hickenlooper and inslee raised over a million each, iirc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 17, 2019, 09:56:46 PM
Yeah, if I’m donating to anyone it’s gonna be Pete or mys pub challenger


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If all of gE could get behind Pete and take the fight to Twitter, we could probably swing this election to TeamPete.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 09:59:36 PM
There is no rough ridin' way Beto is raising $6 million his first week.

#3 might end up the most accurate.  we'll find out eventually.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 10:02:07 PM
good beto campaign article.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1107393509999472643
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2019, 10:35:45 PM
People are looking at his big donor list on ActBlue and how he can leverage that in to big fundraisng numbers and forgetting the fact that a bunch of people wanted him to beat TED rough ridin' CRUZ IN TEXAS FOR A SENATE SEAT! NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HIM ANY MORE!

obviously that's true.  but having a list is better than not.  and dems are throwing money everywhere this year.  hickenlooper and inslee raised over a million each, iirc.

yeah so did klobuchar. who cares?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2019, 10:52:14 PM
well, i find it very difficult to believe that beto was outraised by hickenlooper, inslee and klobuchar.  which makes it difficult to believe in the hypothesis that he hasn't released his numbers because they'd foster a poor narrative.

if he released numbers in the range of harris, election nerds would look askance, but it wouldn't get any negative attention otherwise.  not releasing makes it a bigger story.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2019, 10:57:20 PM
I like the fact that he highlighted Millennial as a reason to vote for him.

Never having a Gen X president would be the most Gen X thing ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Beto, BTW, is doing a pretty good job of being the representation of a stereotypical Gen X candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2019, 12:58:11 AM
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1107469806759002115
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1107472019506032641
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1107469417045262338
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2019, 06:15:10 AM
$6.1 million.  Beto owned me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 18, 2019, 06:37:29 AM

There is no rough ridin' way Beto is raising $6 million his first week.
Not in his first week, in his first day!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/18/politics/beto-orourke-first-day-fundraising-record/index.html

Everyone come see how owned Kat Kid is!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2019, 06:43:21 AM
The people are ready for the Gen X Prez.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 07:03:23 AM
come to beto, th coates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 07:04:55 AM
$6.1 million.  Beto owned me.

so, i think hypothesis 2b was probably the closest to correct - they delayed releasing the numbers to squeeze a little more money out of donors over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on March 18, 2019, 08:47:38 AM
Beto/Harris!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
Beto/Harris!!!

No
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2019, 09:15:29 AM
Wow at Beto $


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
oh wait.  2b is stupid too.  it's still approaching it as if holding the release was some weird mystery, which can now be seen as the wrong framing.  they just saw that they had a beat and held it for 7 am monday instead of releasing it at midday friday.  pr 101.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 09:22:04 AM
Beto/Harris!!!

not that a good fundraising number means much to his chances, but if he (or any other white male) does win, abrams is a superior vp candidate to harris in every way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2019, 09:32:08 AM
Beto/Harris!!!

not that a good fundraising number means much to his chances, but if he (or any other white male) does win, abrams is a superior vp candidate to harris in every way.

Yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 18, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
sys's political prognosticating re Beto $ is scary accurate.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2019, 10:01:36 AM
sys is the Scott Adams of Beto's appeal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 10:21:41 AM
sys is the Scott Adams of Beto's appeal.

i like to think of myself as more of an amateur nate silver, but at least with respect to beto, amateur scott adams is probably a more accurate comparison.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
this is a necessary but not sufficient condition of a successful beto campaign.  if the non-biden/sanders candidates aren't frustrated beyond belief that the camera loves beto and not them, he probably isn't winning.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1107649962299613185
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on March 18, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Managing to keep the CotDC in his hip pocket till now was brilliant strategy, both cementing credibility with the younger half or so of voters and creating an, as of now, benign "novelty" about it all with the rest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on March 18, 2019, 04:00:22 PM
why do all the alt-lite and IDW guys like Yang?
i know some of the incels like him because his UBI policy appeals to the NEET ("Not in Education, Employment or Training) lifestyle which is popular among that group.  then they started doing some memes and the rest is history.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
bidenmania continues.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1107827599663919105
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1107748552137195520
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
i enjoy this photo an extraordinary amount.


https://twitter.com/travishelwig/status/1107728583290556416
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2019, 11:33:15 PM
the lower one, obviously.  i don't understand why it does that sometimes with tweet embeds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2019, 12:50:16 AM
Amazing thread

https://twitter.com/bananafitz/status/1107756767000223744?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2019, 07:07:28 AM
Amazing thread

https://twitter.com/bananafitz/status/1107756767000223744?s=19
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2019, 07:14:45 AM
This reply
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2019, 08:13:29 AM
He really likes that joke.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 19, 2019, 08:53:22 AM
He’s so weird, lmao

https://twitter.com/betoorourke/status/1108001161704062976?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2019, 08:56:16 AM
Perfect for Texas, wrong for America
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 19, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
Perfect for Texas, wrong for America

how so?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2019, 10:02:51 AM
I think it is a lot easier for a democrat to win the presidency than it is for him to become a Texas senator.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 19, 2019, 10:06:12 AM
I think it is a lot easier for a democrat to win the presidency than it is for him to become a Texas senator.

probably about the same.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 19, 2019, 10:06:52 AM
oh, you said a democrat, not beto.  nevermind.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2019, 11:34:08 AM
He looks like a Bushian big oil kind of guy, will attempt to deny though.   Lots of denim.

You guys should really lean towards Joe "bombs away" Biden.   All the hegemony with less guilt (or actually none, as long as D)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
We are all team Pete here dax except sysderp who is wasting his time with big oil beto
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2019, 12:05:56 PM
I like Big Oil Beto! Much better nickname than Pete Butthead!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
Though Bombs Away Biden is awesome too!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 19, 2019, 04:08:29 PM
https://twitter.com/BrenslyB/status/1108109807876296706
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1108099799251931136
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 19, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190320/eb131fb4e76222db90f36b5c7ffebc9b.jpg)

#teampete.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 19, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
Hell yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 19, 2019, 09:23:58 PM
I think we should change the name of the site to goPETE.com


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 19, 2019, 09:25:24 PM
I think we should change the name of the site to goPETE.com


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Taken  :frown:

HOWEVER go-PETE.com is available.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2019, 02:30:39 AM
https://twitter.com/alexbirnel/status/1108054046647242752
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2019, 06:15:11 AM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 20, 2019, 01:09:23 PM
I know he's not a millennial, but he tries to act like one and therefore dumb by association.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 20, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
I know he's not a millennial, but he tries to act like one and therefore dumb by association.

The baby boomers([you]) time running the world is over.  We are the cool ones now :cool:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 20, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Beto is not a baby boomer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2019, 04:32:49 PM
Beto may be the last hope for the Gen X slacker weirdos.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1108475138130014208
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 21, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1108676350393622529
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
Smart move
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on March 21, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
Desperate old white dude?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
abrams should not accept that offer, should it come.  she can win the nomination herself, or remain available as an option to other candidates that might win it.  tying herself to biden might help biden, but it doesn't help her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 21, 2019, 03:19:03 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

she should contracts to accept a vpship for either biden or bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
yep.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1108772679098597376

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on March 21, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

she should contracts to accept a vpship for either biden or bernie.

Would it create a sideshow that the billing of the ticket is upside down? Would that discourage/fragment Dems or be a point to rally around?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 21, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
The whole idea of selecting a VP before you even start the primary doesn't make much sense to me. You see it sometimes as a last ditch effort to turn around a failed campaign, like when Cruz made Fiorina his VP, but you never see it this early.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2019, 05:01:00 PM
I'd view a candidate much more positively if they had a bunch of their team lined up early in the process.  It's impossible for a president to be informed on all the stuff a president has to be involved with.  Rather than them faking it, I'd rather the whole crew be running for election as a unit so I could evaluate the actual people who'd be doing crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 21, 2019, 06:22:01 PM
abrams should not accept that offer, should it come.  she can win the nomination herself, or remain available as an option to other candidates that might win it.  tying herself to biden might help biden, but it doesn't help her.

Where do you get this idea?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2019, 06:25:34 PM
I'd view a candidate much more positively if they had a bunch of their team lined up early in the process.  It's impossible for a president to be informed on all the stuff a president has to be involved with.  Rather than them faking it, I'd rather the whole crew be running for election as a unit so I could evaluate the actual people who'd be doing crap.

Jim Leavitt attempted this in his bid for president of kstate football.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2019, 06:28:44 PM
Biden Abrams is a ticket


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 21, 2019, 06:30:32 PM
I'd view a candidate much more positively if they had a bunch of their team lined up early in the process.  It's impossible for a president to be informed on all the stuff a president has to be involved with.  Rather than them faking it, I'd rather the whole crew be running for election as a unit so I could evaluate the actual people who'd be doing crap.

They do this in Britain, called the shadow cabinet.  I wish we did it too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2019, 06:45:10 PM
KK, post your candidate!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2019, 06:54:28 PM
she can win the nomination herself

Where do you get this idea?



she's a very, very good politician with demographic appeal to large parts of democratic primary voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 21, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
KK, post your candidate!


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Who do I want to win?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2019, 08:19:41 PM
KK, post your candidate!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 21, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
Biden Abrams is a ticket


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So disappointed in you, SD.

#teampete


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2019, 09:25:13 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

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the fact he was so beta not to run after 8 years of momentum would worry me as a voter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 21, 2019, 09:34:11 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

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the fact he was so beta not to run after 8 years of momentum would worry me as a voter.

His son died  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 21, 2019, 09:39:42 PM
nobody here is serious about wanting Joe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 21, 2019, 11:14:28 PM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

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the fact he was so beta not to run after 8 years of momentum would worry me as a voter.

His son died  :dunno:

What changed?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2019, 01:44:47 AM
What changed?

clinton isn't running.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 22, 2019, 07:20:51 AM
On the other hand, Biden might die in office.

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the fact he was so beta not to run after 8 years of momentum would worry me as a voter.

His son died  :dunno:

What changed?

He doesn’t have to campaign right after the funeral
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2019, 07:20:56 AM
Listened to a Pete interview, I'm now #TeamPete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 22, 2019, 07:28:27 AM
Listened to a Pete interview, I'm now #TeamPete

YES!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2019, 08:00:31 AM
Like I said, the great thing about Joe “bombs away” Biden  is that you get all that guilt free NeoCon.

Just a shame he’s so old, otherwise you LibDerps could have had another 8 years of complicity. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2019, 08:09:23 AM
Listened to a Pete interview, I'm now #TeamPete

YES!

Whoa this is a big get for #teampete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2019, 08:26:35 AM
Listened to a Pete interview, I'm now #TeamPete

YES!

Whoa this is a big get for #teampete
I'd still vote for a Pub primary challenger given any viable opportunity, but Pete's a smart dude. A little too far left for me probably, but you can't get everything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2019, 08:40:51 AM
YES! SHOW THOSE BOOMER DINOSAURS WHO'S THE BOSS NOW!!!

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1109079801359466499
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2019, 09:09:19 AM
Based on what we know, he seems like the kind of complete weirdo LibDerp Nation can really get behind.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 22, 2019, 09:12:52 AM
Pete is the sort of person who should be campaigning with his whole crew and readily acknowledging, "I don't have all of the necessary experience myself in ______, so that's why I have ______ here with me who will be in charge of ______..."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2019, 10:19:16 AM
https://theweek.com/articles/830443/why-are-2020-democrats-weird

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 22, 2019, 10:54:51 AM
https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1109063705055150081
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2019, 01:39:22 PM
buttigieg is transitioning into a real candidate.


https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1109104762010652672
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 22, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
buttigieg is transitioning into a real candidate.


https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1109104762010652672

fundraising is important, but it isn't the only thing. just ask Jeb Bush.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 22, 2019, 06:50:09 PM
buttigieg is transitioning into a real candidate.


https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1109104762010652672

fundraising is important, but it isn't the only thing. just ask Jeb Bush.
Pretty clear that ButtGuy has more charisma than Jeb in his pinky finger alone
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 22, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PKaUWZu.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2019, 08:34:24 PM
fundraising is important, but it isn't the only thing. just ask Jeb Bush.

not even remotely analogous situations.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
KK, post your candidate!


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just whenever. it's not like we're irl friends or anything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
he's a bernie bro, sd.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2019, 11:13:46 PM
he's a bernie bro, sd.

I was hoping for something more profound but feared this was true


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on March 23, 2019, 12:14:01 AM
Bootyjudge  :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2019, 03:35:55 AM
Beto needs to take much stronger policy positions, frankly any policy positions really, or he's going to be chewed up to the point where it'll do damage to his future political aspirations. They'll bully him on the debate stage this summer. Pete is a real bad look for Beto, he's a young relatable white dude but he's coming out of the gate strongly with policy positions and not skateboarding photo ops.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 23, 2019, 07:21:00 AM
If Beto starts getting serious about policy (or anything else), he'll risk losing those of us who will vote for him as the last hope for a Gen X president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 23, 2019, 07:41:01 AM
https://twitter.com/iSmashFizzle/status/1109282942621224961
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 23, 2019, 08:10:58 AM
If Beto starts getting serious about policy (or anything else), he'll risk losing those of us who will vote for him as the last hope for a Gen X president.
What do you mean by last hope for GenX?  Obama was GenX.  Booker, Gilibrand, Harris and Castro are all GenX.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 23, 2019, 08:17:30 AM
If Beto starts getting serious about policy (or anything else), he'll risk losing those of us who will vote for him as the last hope for a Gen X president.
What do you mean by last hope for GenX?  Obama was GenX.  Booker, Gilibrand, Harris and Castro are all GenX.

I mean the stereotype. (Which pretty much only applies to middle to upper class, white people in the first place.)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 23, 2019, 09:19:59 AM
he's a bernie bro, sd.

I was hoping for something more profound but feared this was true


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Most of KK's pit posts go over my head so I've always assumed he was one of those niche people who support like bill weld or something. Bernie bro would certainly be disappointing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 09:49:52 AM
KK, post your candidate!


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just whenever. it's not like we're irl friends or anything.

Sorry, been interacting with our country's fantastic health care system. Bronchitis for sonofkk no. 1.

I honestly have not gone super in depth on candidate policy platforms yet.  Most candidates, other than Bernie, don't even have much beyond vague statements and the only candidate that has a comprehensive platform is Andrew Yang (who now is going to debate Ben Shapiro on circumcision?) and his platform is some good concepts (UBI, Free College) sprinkled in with half-baked tech-bro garbage
(Automatic Sunsetting of all laws???, Self-driving vehicles, "Create Department of Attention Economy", create an app to encourage volunteering, outlaw circumcision??).

I think Bernie is the most committed on stuff that will matter to me--Pro-Family, Pro-Education policies:
Medicare 4 ALL, free college (my kids probably won't qualify, but will increase enrollments at schools like K-State),
child care/early childhood education (my kids will be too old, but it is a really meaningful policy that will make a big difference)
Climate change (my grandkids are going to be War Boys)

I also think Bernie will be the best on foreign policy because he has so few pressure points. Are the Israeli's really going to call him anti-Semitic? Do you think he cares if he gets called a commie by the generals when he closes some bases or tries to rein in spending on the military? We could use with a lot less empire and Bernie seems the most committed to that idea.

I like Warren, I just think she is probably less good on each individual issue, has less of a movement behind her to advance the policy agenda.

Now, I honestly think that Bernie's agenda would be suffocated by McConnell and would stall out.  But he would put the choices in stark relief and beat a drum that would give the American people a clear choice about what is actually going on.  I can't say whether that would get the job done (I don't think it would in the short term), but it would clearly advance the ball. We went from a weak voiced defense of Obamacare under Hillary to now demanding Medicare 4 All in 4 years. So who knows?

I am interested in Boot-edge-edge, I don't think I've heard enough about his actual policies other than he is a "good guy" and very bright.

I think the rest of the bunch are all likely to massively disappoint in terms of even bothering to pushing for any reforms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2019, 11:23:01 AM
https://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/hugo_chavezs_economic_miracle/

Written by Bernie’s TelePrompTer guy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
KK, post your candidate!


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just whenever. it's not like we're irl friends or anything.

Sorry, been interacting with our country's fantastic health care system. Bronchitis for sonofkk no. 1.

I honestly have not gone super in depth on candidate policy platforms yet.  Most candidates, other than Bernie, don't even have much beyond vague statements and the only candidate that has a comprehensive platform is Andrew Yang (who now is going to debate Ben Shapiro on circumcision?) and his platform is some good concepts (UBI, Free College) sprinkled in with half-baked tech-bro garbage
(Automatic Sunsetting of all laws???, Self-driving vehicles, "Create Department of Attention Economy", create an app to encourage volunteering, outlaw circumcision??).

I think Bernie is the most committed on stuff that will matter to me--Pro-Family, Pro-Education policies:
Medicare 4 ALL, free college (my kids probably won't qualify, but will increase enrollments at schools like K-State),
child care/early childhood education (my kids will be too old, but it is a really meaningful policy that will make a big difference)
Climate change (my grandkids are going to be War Boys)

I also think Bernie will be the best on foreign policy because he has so few pressure points. Are the Israeli's really going to call him anti-Semitic? Do you think he cares if he gets called a commie by the generals when he closes some bases or tries to rein in spending on the military? We could use with a lot less empire and Bernie seems the most committed to that idea.

I like Warren, I just think she is probably less good on each individual issue, has less of a movement behind her to advance the policy agenda.

Now, I honestly think that Bernie's agenda would be suffocated by McConnell and would stall out.  But he would put the choices in stark relief and beat a drum that would give the American people a clear choice about what is actually going on.  I can't say whether that would get the job done (I don't think it would in the short term), but it would clearly advance the ball. We went from a weak voiced defense of Obamacare under Hillary to now demanding Medicare 4 All in 4 years. So who knows?

I am interested in Boot-edge-edge, I don't think I've heard enough about his actual policies other than he is a "good guy" and very bright.

I think the rest of the bunch are all likely to massively disappoint in terms of even bothering to pushing for any reforms.

You are the best, that's a wonderful breakdown. Yes, Bernie will be called anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist. Post truth America, there are plenty of Jewish people called those things. I also think that being Jewish doesn't automatically exempt you from being those things, no more so than being a black or brown racist, see the Dinesh dude and that crap brain old Milwaukee sheriff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 01:07:17 PM
Beto needs to take much stronger policy positions, frankly any policy positions really, or he's going to be chewed up to the point where it'll do damage to his future political aspirations. They'll bully him on the debate stage this summer. Pete is a real bad look for Beto, he's a young relatable white dude but he's coming out of the gate strongly with policy positions and not skateboarding photo ops.


he has policy positions.  the criticism that he doesn't is pure laziness.  what position do you want to know about?  i can tell you what it is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 03:03:48 PM
Beto needs to take much stronger policy positions, frankly any policy positions really, or he's going to be chewed up to the point where it'll do damage to his future political aspirations. They'll bully him on the debate stage this summer. Pete is a real bad look for Beto, he's a young relatable white dude but he's coming out of the gate strongly with policy positions and not skateboarding photo ops.


he has policy positions.  the criticism that he doesn't is pure laziness.  what position do you want to know about?  i can tell you what it is.

Free College? Child Care/Pre-K? Medicare 4 All? Reparations? Foreign Policy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 03:24:32 PM
Free College? Child Care/Pre-K? Medicare 4 All? Reparations? Foreign Policy?

affordable college:  free community college, student loan forgiveness for public service jobs (currently exists, but is unusable, proposed to be made functional and widely available), increase federal subsidies to public universities and pressure them to control costs (this last one from his senate run, i haven't heard if he's said anything about it lately).

child care:  some form of universal pre-k, i haven't paid attention to the specifics if they've been outlined.

medicare 4 all:  supports medicare for america bill

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/18103087/medicare-for-all-explained-single-payer-health-care-sanders-jayapal

reparations:  supports the "study reparations" thing most candidates seem to be settling on as their preferred way to dodge the issue.

foreign policy:  foreign policy is very broad.  an aspect that you might find appealing is that he is pretty opposed to intervention in almost all situations.  it's an area that i think will be highly entertaining over the next few months as people that have been told is a bland centrist discover how out of step he is with the status quo.  i'll post a few clips and an article in separate posts.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/jslovegrove/status/1109236512523251712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 03:26:15 PM
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1109485642629763073
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 03:27:34 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/beto-orourke-was-rare-vote-against-tough-on-russia-bills-after-invasion-of-ukraine
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2019, 03:56:45 PM
Beto needs to take much stronger policy positions, frankly any policy positions really, or he's going to be chewed up to the point where it'll do damage to his future political aspirations. They'll bully him on the debate stage this summer. Pete is a real bad look for Beto, he's a young relatable white dude but he's coming out of the gate strongly with policy positions and not skateboarding photo ops.


he has policy positions.  the criticism that he doesn't is pure laziness.  what position do you want to know about?  i can tell you what it is.

It isn't laziness, he hasn't made them as a part of his campaign. Of course he has opinions about health care, education, foreign policy (who the hell is going to go on record as being someone who doesn't want to bring the troops home from Afghanistan?), drug policy, etc.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/beto-orourke-was-rare-vote-against-tough-on-russia-bills-after-invasion-of-ukraine
Did you post this to show that he might be a policy lightweight? Did you see the line in there about him making these votes without an on the record explanation at the time or since?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
Thanks. Honestly, trying to track down a place that shows his positions is pretty scatter shot.  His congressional record is a real mixed bag.  The New Democrats liking him so much and some of his votes on health care, consumer protections and environment. It isn't a big record anyway, but I just don't trust him. He is now saying that he "looks to Barbara Lee" for foreign policy leadership but he is reliable AIPAC vote, even though J Street gave him some money in the Cruz Senate race and it was a minor issue. 

I just legitimately don't know what to make of a lot of what I read.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 04:17:36 PM
His congressional record is a real mixed bag.

he is not ideologically pure, in many ways, true.  he has positions both to the right and left of the dem consensus.  i would (very broadly) describe him as an obama democrat with a slight left libertarian lean.  he's also quite pragmatic, which, at times, also pushes him into positions that cut against ideology.


but I just don't trust him.

that's fine.  it's completely fair to say you don't agree with him on some particular issue or on a broad range of issues.  it's not accurate to say he avoids taking positions.


He is now saying that he "looks to Barbara Lee" for foreign policy leadership but he is reliable AIPAC vote, even though J Street gave him some money in the Cruz Senate race and it was a minor issue.

that is not accurate in several ways.  1) he did not accept pac or lobbyist money for the 2018 senate race.  2) he voted against funding iron dome, he was a strong supporter of the iran deal, he's repeatedly criticized netanyahu and israeli settlements and in general has not been what i would call a reliable aipac vote.  3) he has been saying the same thing about 9/11 and barbara lee for at least two years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1109485642629763073

How positively Trumpian.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00033540
 (https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00033540)

what does "top contributors" mean here?  Is this like the thing where a bunch of oil & gas employees gave him money but not actually the companies themselves?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 04:33:38 PM
It isn't laziness, he hasn't made them as a part of his campaign.

he doesn't emphasize specific policy positions in his stump speech in the way sanders, as an example, does.  but he takes questions from the public and the press at pretty much every event he does.  he avoids specifics on a few issues, but generally answers questions as directly as any politician i've ever seen.

he doesn't have an issue section on his website yet, but only a couple of candidates do.  it's still very early in the campaign.



(who the hell is going to go on record as being someone who doesn't want to bring the troops home from Afghanistan?), drug policy, etc.

trump just caught all sorts of crap for talking about doing so.  as far as i can tell the bipartisan consensus is that it would be irresponsible to withdraw troops from afghanistan.


Did you post this to show that he might be a policy lightweight? Did you see the line in there about him making these votes without an on the record explanation at the time or since?

i posted it to show katkid that beto has an extended record of being pretty extreme in opposition to intervention in almost all situations, even ones where his party was almost unanimous in supporting it.


not many people were terribly interested in how beto voted before he ran for the senate.  one of the interesting (at least to me) things about beto is that he put together a six year record in the house acting like a completely unambitious lifer-to-be, mostly avoiding publicity, concentrating on constituent services, voting for district issues, and quietly breaking from consensus on a few pet issues (especially, immigration, drugs, interventionism).  and then, kinda out of nowhere, he took on a suicide race for the senate and then decided to run for president.

i think he'd promised to only serve eight years when he ran his first campaign for the house, so perhaps the senate run was related to fulfilling that promise.  still unusual, i think.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
It isn't so much that he is ideologically "impure" it is that I think there is some evidence his position on the same issues have changed significantly over time. This is a challenge for Kirsten Gillibrand too. What can you be counted on for and who is your true constituency?  The fact that he never talks about what he actually would like to accomplish compounds this issue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00033540
 (https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00033540)

what does "top contributors" mean here?  Is this like the thing where a bunch of oil & gas employees gave him money but not actually the companies themselves?

as i understand it, yes.  the "j street" would be individual contributions from employees of lobbyist firms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
It isn't so much that he is ideologically "impure" it is that I think there is some evidence his position on the same issues have changed significantly over time. This is a challenge for Kirsten Gillibrand too. What can you be counted on for and who is your true constituency?  The fact that he never talks about what he actually would like to accomplish compounds this issue.

yeah.  there are definitely issues on which his position has changed significantly.  but there are others where people sort of accuse him of having changed where it's really more just he pragmatically voted for something or other because he supported half of the bill or some crap like that.

he talks about what he would like to accomplish constantly.  i honestly don't know what to make of people saying crap like that.  it's like, buttigieg proposes some crap like changing how we select supreme court justices, which would require a constitutional amendment and hence is obviously outside the realm of something that could actually happen between 2020 and 2028 and people love it.  beto, at every event he's been to since declaring, has talked about supporting medicare for america, which is an actual bill in the house that possibly (although it is unlikely) could be pushed through in some form in the next eight years and people accuse him of not having any policies.

i mean on some level i get it.  i basically have no idea what, if anything, buttigieg supports other than the supreme court thing.  but that's because i haven't developed enough of a curiosity to find out.  i don't equate me not caring enough to look to him not having positions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2019, 04:52:11 PM
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the Supreme Court shall be compromised of 9 Justices. In fact, the Court as-formed had 6 Justices.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
It isn't so much that he is ideologically "impure" it is that I think there is some evidence his position on the same issues have changed significantly over time. This is a challenge for Kirsten Gillibrand too. What can you be counted on for and who is your true constituency?  The fact that he never talks about what he actually would like to accomplish compounds this issue.

yeah.  there are definitely issues on which his position has changed significantly.  but there are others where people sort of accuse him of having changed where it's really more just he pragmatically voted for something or other because he supported half of the bill or some crap like that.

he talks about what he would like to accomplish constantly.  i honestly don't know what to make of people saying crap like that.  it's like, buttigieg proposes some crap like changing how we select supreme court justices, which would require a constitutional amendment and hence is obviously outside the realm of something that could actually happen between 2020 and 2028 and people love it.  beto, at every event he's been to since declaring, has talked about supporting medicare for america, which is an actual bill in the house that possibly (although it is unlikely) could be pushed through in some form in the next eight years and people accuse him of not having any policies.

i mean on some level i get it.  i basically have no idea what, if anything, buttigieg supports other than the supreme court thing.  but that's because i haven't developed enough of a curiosity to find out.  i don't equate me not caring enough to look to him not having positions.

just go back and look at the roll out of Harris, Inslee, Warren, hell even Booker.  They all came out with very specific, 3-5 top line agenda items and most of them have a very identifiable "signature" issue, I know these off the top of my head.
Harris- $500/month&Medicare4All
Inslee- Environment- Green New Deal?
Warren- Medicare4All/Toughen Consumer Protection Bureau/Break Up Big Banks
Booker- Baby Bonds

What is Beto's issue?  I'm not saying he is the only candidate with this problem, but it is a problem for him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the Supreme Court shall be compromised of 9 Justices. In fact, the Court as-formed had 6 Justices.

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Is this Pete's thing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the Supreme Court shall be compromised of 9 Justices. In fact, the Court as-formed had 6 Justices.

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Is this Pete's thing?

As far as I can tell, he responded to a question and said he had not formed a considered opinion on court-packing, but it's something to consider?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
I think sys has Beto-brain.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 23, 2019, 05:22:22 PM
Positions should change when new information becomes available. Distrust anyone who tells you otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the Supreme Court shall be compromised of 9 Justices. In fact, the Court as-formed had 6 Justices.

his proposal to have parties select five each and then those ten select an additional five.  increasing the numbers would not require an amendment, but changing the selection process would, would it not?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 06:10:34 PM
just go back and look at the roll out of Harris, Inslee, Warren, hell even Booker.  They all came out with very specific, 3-5 top line agenda items and most of them have a very identifiable "signature" issue, I know these off the top of my head.
Harris- $500/month&Medicare4All
Inslee- Environment- Green New Deal?
Warren- Medicare4All/Toughen Consumer Protection Bureau/Break Up Big Banks
Booker- Baby Bonds

What is Beto's issue?  I'm not saying he is the only candidate with this problem, but it is a problem for him.

saying he does not have a unique policy that he emphasizes is not the same thing as saying he doesn't have policies.


i expect that he will lean into immigration and criminal justice and drug legalization stuff quite a bit more than the other candidates.  but you're right that so far he hasn't really pushed a signature issue or proposal.  despite what i speculated about on immigration and criminal justice, to some extent, i suspect that will remain true.  health care, for example is going to be a huge thing for all the candidates and he's already decided to push an existing bill rather than to come up with something unique.

he seems to have been fairly deliberately vague on green new deal stuff so far, so i'd guess he's going to be coming out with a unique environmental policy at some point, but i don't know have a guess as to how hard he'll push it.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 06:12:50 PM
I think sys has Beto-brain.

just in the last two weeks i have been very surprised, and at least a little concerned, with how open i am to changing my opinions to better align them with beto's.  i don't know that i've ever really experienced anything similar before.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2019, 06:19:07 PM
There's nothing in the Constitution that says the Supreme Court shall be compromised of 9 Justices. In fact, the Court as-formed had 6 Justices.

his proposal to have parties select five each and then those ten select an additional five.  increasing the numbers would not require an amendment, but changing the selection process would, would it not?

There's nothing in Article III about that. The pertinent part of Article II states: " . . . and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint . . . Judges of the supreme Court . . . ." Maybe you could shoehorn an act of Congress changing the selection process into the advice-and-consent clause, especially if you had a friendly Executive Branch, as this would undeniably by a power grab by the Legislative Branch. But, yeah, I think the most likely scenario is that an amendment would be required. Can you link me to Pete proposing this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2019, 07:23:33 PM
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Some of Buttigieg’s ideas are un­or­tho­dox, though he’s not alone in the Democratic field in that regard. He is outspoken about his desire to abolish the electoral college, for example, and has suggested a Supreme Court composed of 15 justices, including five who would be appointed by the other 10. Both ideas would probably require a constitutional amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pete-buttigieg-the-young-and-openly-gay-midwest-mayor-finds-a-voice-in-crowded-democratic-presidential-field/2019/03/16/839f4f3c-474c-11e9-90f0-0ccfeec87a61_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6713f4e53ce5


i'm sure you can find video of him saying it or something like that, if you want something first hand.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2019, 07:39:19 PM
KK, post your candidate!


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Who do I want to win?

Yes, also post whatever other things you think I was asking.


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just whenever. it's not like we're irl friends or anything.

Sorry, been interacting with our country's fantastic health care system. Bronchitis for sonofkk no. 1.

I honestly have not gone super in depth on candidate policy platforms yet.  Most candidates, other than Bernie, don't even have much beyond vague statements and the only candidate that has a comprehensive platform is Andrew Yang (who now is going to debate Ben Shapiro on circumcision?) and his platform is some good concepts (UBI, Free College) sprinkled in with half-baked tech-bro garbage
(Automatic Sunsetting of all laws???, Self-driving vehicles, "Create Department of Attention Economy", create an app to encourage volunteering, outlaw circumcision??).

I think Bernie is the most committed on stuff that will matter to me--Pro-Family, Pro-Education policies:
Medicare 4 ALL, free college (my kids probably won't qualify, but will increase enrollments at schools like K-State),
child care/early childhood education (my kids will be too old, but it is a really meaningful policy that will make a big difference)
Climate change (my grandkids are going to be War Boys)

I also think Bernie will be the best on foreign policy because he has so few pressure points. Are the Israeli's really going to call him anti-Semitic? Do you think he cares if he gets called a commie by the generals when he closes some bases or tries to rein in spending on the military? We could use with a lot less empire and Bernie seems the most committed to that idea.

I like Warren, I just think she is probably less good on each individual issue, has less of a movement behind her to advance the policy agenda.

Now, I honestly think that Bernie's agenda would be suffocated by McConnell and would stall out.  But he would put the choices in stark relief and beat a drum that would give the American people a clear choice about what is actually going on.  I can't say whether that would get the job done (I don't think it would in the short term), but it would clearly advance the ball. We went from a weak voiced defense of Obamacare under Hillary to now demanding Medicare 4 All in 4 years. So who knows?

I am interested in Boot-edge-edge, I don't think I've heard enough about his actual policies other than he is a "good guy" and very bright.

I think the rest of the bunch are all likely to massively disappoint in terms of even bothering to pushing for any reforms.
I liked this post and agree with most of it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
https://twitter.com/zachheltzel/status/1109500646787432449?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Much like sys has Beto-brain, Booker has Senate brain.  JFC

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1109823172017381378
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 24, 2019, 01:02:19 PM
Pete being criticized for not being divisive enough.

https://twitter.com/charlesppierce/status/1109834047432417280?s=21.

#teampete


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2019, 01:04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/zachheltzel/status/1109500646787432449?s=19
This is a really great tweet. Seriously though, how many languages does Pete speak?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2019, 01:09:02 PM
7? I think
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
I've really taken a shining to Polyglot Pete (TM)

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 01:17:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1109803524165156864
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Pure name recognition, at this point.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1109842543334903813
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
Pure name recognition, at this point.

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mostly.  for the non-biden/sanders candidates, i also suspect the order in which they are presented matters.  there are too many candidates for good phone interview polls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 01:52:56 PM
this poll is not like most.

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1109887043105099776
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2019, 01:55:00 PM
Go Pete, Go!

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2019, 02:07:31 PM
The petenomenon
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
#TeamComPETE
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
probably a timely example of my comment above about presentation order.  buttigieg was #1, harris was #2.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1109893292135714816
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 02:14:38 PM
sanders was 3rd and warren 4th, btw.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
 :love:

https://twitter.com/gromerjeffers/status/1109911243496652800
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2019, 08:48:30 PM
:love:

https://twitter.com/gromerjeffers/status/1109911243496652800

LOL, real thought provoking stuff there
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2019, 09:23:52 PM
Has anyone asked Beto if he still favors raising the retirement age for Social Security?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 10:22:16 PM
LOL, real thought provoking stuff there

you seem to think there are other candidates saying this.  there aren't (afaik, at least not the major candidates).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Has anyone asked Beto if he still favors raising the retirement age for Social Security?

https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/1108485799585243138
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2019, 10:43:13 PM
LOL, real thought provoking stuff there

you seem to think there are other candidates saying this.  there aren't (afaik, at least not the major candidates).

Jesus Christ, is this real? You're rough ridin' with us, right? None of the other candidates are saying they're opposed to school shootings either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2019, 11:02:05 PM
thinking back, i think gillibrand did indicate an openness to consider removing existing barriers on the border.  so that's two.  pretty sure no one else has.  i know when harris was pressed on it she was a hard no and talked up a bunch of trump reinforcing crap about border security.

please do link me up if there are other candidates pushing back on continuing to have a militarized southern border forever.  i'd be very happy to know of them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
https://twitter.com/REALpunknews/status/1110179528834334720?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 25, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1110200512161431552
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 25, 2019, 06:35:26 PM
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1110317958990127104
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 25, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1110333147017818113
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 25, 2019, 08:22:01 PM
i think having the justices pick the justices is a great idea

i dont want any more of them tho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 08:29:32 PM
i think having the justices pick the justices is a great idea

i dont want any more of them tho
I haven't really formed an opinion on it myself one way or the other, but I'm just curious: What's your thought process for the second point?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 25, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
i think having the justices pick the justices is a great idea

i dont want any more of them tho
I haven't really formed an opinion on it myself one way or the other, but I'm just curious: What's your thought process for the second point?

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the fewer there are, the more you can get to know each of them and it makes it more fun. If there were 15, I wouldnt know the name of a single one or care even a little bit about their appointments or opinions
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
i think having the justices pick the justices is a great idea

i dont want any more of them tho
I haven't really formed an opinion on it myself one way or the other, but I'm just curious: What's your thought process for the second point?

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the fewer there are, the more you can get to know each of them and it makes it more fun. If there were 15, I wouldnt know the name of a single one or care even a little bit about their appointments or opinions
So, 9 is good, but 15 is right out?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 25, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
yup
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 09:30:10 PM
Last I saw, something like 25% of people can name 2 Supreme Court justices. I don't see name recallability of 9 versus 15 being a material issue.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 25, 2019, 09:39:59 PM
it should really be sized on workload. each case normally has 2 opinions. how many cases do we want a year and how many justices does it take to hear them and generate the necessary opinions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
it should really be sized on workload. each case normally has 2 opinions. how many cases do we want a year and how many justices does it take to hear them and generate the necessary opinions.
Something like 1% of writs for certiorari are granted. Based on memory, that accounts for fewer than 100 out of ~10,000/year. I don't think we *need* more justices. Nor do I think the political will exists to pack the court. But I think status quo is that case load tracks capacity, and not the other way around.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 25, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
I am not opposed to the idea of more judges, but I don't want it to happen because of some power grab, which is the most likely scenario.

I'm also a fan of 9 judges at 16 year terms, 2 appointed each presidential term
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 25, 2019, 10:11:06 PM
what if each dying president gets to appoint a justice with his or her last breath
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 10:16:42 PM


I am not opposed to the idea of more judges, but I don't want it to happen because of some power grab, which is the most likely scenario.

I'm also a fan of 9 judges at 16 year terms, 2 appointed each presidential term

Thing is, that would require an amendment, and most Constitutional scholars agree that we are likely living in a post-Constitutional-amendment country. It's just too difficult to amend it, absent broad bi-partisan consensus. And every issue gets polarized immediately. Especially a politically motivated thing like packing the court. Lol. No.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2019, 10:39:42 PM
I’m against appointing more justices because once that seal is broken it would just keep going up. Every president campaigning would be like, and we’ll take control back of the Supreme Court by appointing X more justices, and then you’ll end up with like 400 justices and omg can you imagine oral argument then? It would just be ridiculous. Anyway 9 seems like a good number.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 25, 2019, 10:46:21 PM
I’m against appointing more justices because once that seal is broken it would just keep going up. Every president campaigning would be like, and we’ll take control back of the Supreme Court by appointing X more justices, and then you’ll end up with like 400 justices and omg can you imagine oral argument then? It would just be ridiculous. Anyway 9 seems like a good number.

before we get to that point, some smart president will figure out that it's more efficient and better p.r. to just assassinate the opposing party's justices.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2019, 11:43:26 PM
Doesn’t work. Look at what happened when Obama had Scalia murdered.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 25, 2019, 11:50:53 PM
LOL

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 12:23:36 AM
Obama had Scalia murdered.

i have had irl people tell me that happened.  also irl people tell me that he obviously died rough ridin' a prostitute.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 26, 2019, 12:50:15 AM
I’m against appointing more justices because once that seal is broken it would just keep going up. Every president campaigning would be like, and we’ll take control back of the Supreme Court by appointing X more justices, and then you’ll end up with like 400 justices and omg can you imagine oral argument then? It would just be ridiculous. Anyway 9 seems like a good number.

before we get to that point, some smart president will figure out that it's more efficient and better p.r. to just assassinate the opposing party's justices.

the seal has already been broken

there have been 6, 7, 9, and 10 justice courts. the constitution does not define the size of the court
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 26, 2019, 12:57:09 AM
I’m against appointing more justices because once that seal is broken it would just keep going up. Every president campaigning would be like, and we’ll take control back of the Supreme Court by appointing X more justices, and then you’ll end up with like 400 justices and omg can you imagine oral argument then? It would just be ridiculous. Anyway 9 seems like a good number.

before we get to that point, some smart president will figure out that it's more efficient and better p.r. to just assassinate the opposing party's justices.

the seal has already been broken

there have been 6, 7, 9, and 10 justice courts. the constitution does not define the size of the court
I already made that point. But the status quo is pretty relevant in the least-understood branch of government. How long has it been since there have been not 9 Justices? Rhetorical question. I know the answer. You know who doesn't want a shake up in the high court? The high court, because it would undermine their legitimacy as an independent and coequal branch of government.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on March 26, 2019, 01:26:03 AM
I’m against appointing more justices because once that seal is broken it would just keep going up. Every president campaigning would be like, and we’ll take control back of the Supreme Court by appointing X more justices, and then you’ll end up with like 400 justices and omg can you imagine oral argument then? It would just be ridiculous. Anyway 9 seems like a good number.

before we get to that point, some smart president will figure out that it's more efficient and better p.r. to just assassinate the opposing party's justices.

the seal has already been broken

there have been 6, 7, 9, and 10 justice courts. the constitution does not define the size of the court
I already made that point. But the status quo is pretty relevant in the least-understood branch of government. How long has it been since there have been not 9 Justices? Rhetorical question. I know the answer. You know who doesn't want a shake up in the high court? The high court, because it would undermine their legitimacy as an independent and coequal branch of government.

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i know the answer because i obviously just looked it up on wikipedia
i think there is a law currently mandating the 9, so they would have to write a new law, which is as impossbile as any other law
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2019, 03:09:29 AM
thinking back, i think gillibrand did indicate an openness to consider removing existing barriers on the border.  so that's two.  pretty sure no one else has.  i know when harris was pressed on it she was a hard no and talked up a bunch of trump reinforcing crap about border security.

please do link me up if there are other candidates pushing back on continuing to have a militarized southern border forever.  i'd be very happy to know of them.

Instead of wasting my time looking for something so patently stupid, why don't you find me and Democratic candidate on record for wanting to build any type of border barrier. Even the two potential candidates to primary the cheeto aren't fully invested in a barrier.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 26, 2019, 07:15:05 AM
what if each dying president gets to appoint a justice with his or her last breath

Would require an amendment, I can't believe spracne let you get away with this one
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 26, 2019, 09:55:39 AM
what if each dying president gets to appoint a justice with his or her last breath

Would require an amendment, I can't believe spracne let you get away with this one

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
probably a timely example of my comment above about presentation order.  buttigieg was #1, harris was #2.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1109893292135714816
Seems like this has an echo effect.  Lot of articles in the last couple of days about Pete emerging as a legitimate candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 26, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
He's basically doubled support each of the last 3 weeks I think, it's very exciting
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 10:17:53 AM
Instead of wasting my time looking for something so patently stupid, why don't you find me and Democratic candidate on record for wanting to build any type of border barrier. Even the two potential candidates to primary the cheeto aren't fully invested in a barrier.

maybe you should go back and look at what beto said instead of wasting our time with thinking he said one thing when he said something else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 10:20:03 AM
Seems like this has an echo effect.  Lot of articles in the last couple of days about Pete emerging as a legitimate candidate.

i'm not sure what you mean by an echo effect, but two things are both true, 1) buttigieg has become an legitimate candidate, and 2) the iowa emerson poll was laughably bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 26, 2019, 10:20:45 AM
#teampete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
clinton,  :jerk:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1110411901836709893
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2019, 10:31:59 AM
Seems like this has an echo effect.  Lot of articles in the last couple of days about Pete emerging as a legitimate candidate.

i'm not sure what you mean by an echo effect, but two things are both true, 1) buttigieg has become an legitimate candidate, and 2) the iowa emerson poll was laughably bad.
Sorry, I mean referring to the Iowa poll as a reason for him being seen as a more legitimate candidate, which gets him more coverage, which makes him be seen as a more legitimate candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 26, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
every time i see O'Rourke it takes me a second
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2019, 10:49:44 AM
Instead of wasting my time looking for something so patently stupid, why don't you find me and Democratic candidate on record for wanting to build any type of border barrier. Even the two potential candidates to primary the cheeto aren't fully invested in a barrier.

maybe you should go back and look at what beto said instead of wasting our time with thinking he said one thing when he said something else.

He says he opposes any type of border barrier. If in 2019 any Democratic candidate expresses any support for a border barrier they can not only shut up shop in the 2020 primary but if they are currently in any office they can probably definitely kiss that goodbye too.

Also comparing the climate now to that of 2006 is total bullshit. Obviously Trump has changed what border security means, a barrier has a totally different connotation now, politically and practically, than it did 13 years ago. The party platform is now using technology at the border, I bet he'll fall right in line with the other 18 candidates with that.

This brings us back to the point that his campaign is extremely void when it comes to policy and that's amazing considering he spent 6 years in Washington. Cory Booker has been a senator for 6 years, same for Elizabeth Warren. Kamala Harris has been in Washington for a year and a half. I was down with Beto being a vice presidential candidate but I'm starting to think he's a shallow candidate placed here for suckers to glom onto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
He says he opposes any type of border barrier. If in 2019 any Democratic candidate expresses any support for a border barrier they can not only shut up shop in the 2020 primary but if they are currently in any office they can probably definitely kiss that goodbye too.

all the dems are against trump's addition to border barriers.  that's rough ridin' easy.  beto is attacking that the bush and obama additions and concomitant militarization of the border that has already occurred.  beto has also separately said that he would like to remove at least some sections of the bush/obama wall (which gillibrand also said she was open to considering, when asked about beto's comments).

there's a big rough ridin' difference between the two.


Trump has changed what border security means, a barrier has a totally different connotation now, politically and practically, than it did 13 years ago.

not really.  when i was living in mexico, everyone knew exactly what message the border walls that already existed and were then being added to were intended to convey.


This brings us back to the point that his campaign is extremely void when it comes to policy.

i mean, it's not.  but if you're not paying attention, it's easy to think that. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
Sorry, I mean referring to the Iowa poll as a reason for him being seen as a more legitimate candidate, which gets him more coverage, which makes him be seen as a more legitimate candidate.

ah.

i don't know that the emerson poll has that much impact.  he was already legitimized before it came out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
every time i see O'Rourke it takes me a second

i wonder about that.  being a one word candidate is an obvious plus, and beto is a great brand.  but i wonder if a first name brand is a little too informal for a presidential candidate.  especially as it reinforces other informal elements of his style.

i think, although i have never seen any data remotely on this, that it was a great branding move for trump in 2016 that he had all his surrogates calling him "mr. trump" on all the cable shows.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
He says he opposes any type of border barrier. If in 2019 any Democratic candidate expresses any support for a border barrier they can not only shut up shop in the 2020 primary but if they are currently in any office they can probably definitely kiss that goodbye too.

all the dems are against trump's addition to border barriers.  that's rough ridin' easy.  beto is attacking that the bush and obama additions and concomitant militarization of the border that has already occurred.  beto has also separately said that he would like to remove at least some sections of the bush/obama wall (which gillibrand also said she was open to considering, when asked about beto's comments).

there's a big rough ridin' difference between the two.


Trump has changed what border security means, a barrier has a totally different connotation now, politically and practically, than it did 13 years ago.

not really.  when i was living in mexico, everyone knew exactly what message the border walls that already existed and were then being added to were intended to convey.


This brings us back to the point that his campaign is extremely void when it comes to policy.

i mean, it's not.  but if you're not paying attention, it's easy to think that.

They're not different at all. If the question is asked at the debates, would you keep those sections up, no one is saying yes to that. Maybe Harris, maybe Biden, that's it; but I'd seriously doubt they would either. If he could say that he fought against this in 2006, that's one thing, but he can't do that either. There's not going to be any centrist views on a border barrier, it's political suicide, if for nothing else it would be played on repeat for the four to five months of the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
They're not different at all. If the question is asked at the debates, would you keep those sections up, no one is saying yes to that. Maybe Harris, maybe Biden, that's it; but I'd seriously doubt they would either. If he could say that he fought against this in 2006, that's one thing, but he can't do that either. There's not going to be any centrist views on a border barrier, it's political suicide, if for nothing else it would be played on repeat for the four to five months of the general.

i mean, you're just wrong.  trust me, i pay quite a bit of attention to what democrats are messaging on "border security" and the notion of taking down existing barriers is just not on the table for the party as a whole.  criticizing obama is maybe on the table, but it's definitely not mainstream.

beto's record is mixed in terms of border security.  he fought very hard to not have barriers put up in downtown el paso (lost the fight) and has been outspoken about opposing the militarization of the border (wrote a book about legalizing marijuana that focused on the deleterious effects of the drug war on the border and border policing).  but he voted for several bills with "secure the border" funding.  presumably for district jobs and that sort of crap.

however you interpret his record, there is no one even close in either record or rhetoric on border issues.  it's not even debatable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 01:06:24 PM
clearly an effect of beto's campaign.  sorry, resident bernie bros.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1110602053649424384
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 26, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
I’ve not studied it at all, but are there any negative consequences to just having a public healthcare option and let it compete with private insurers?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2019, 02:18:00 PM
They're not different at all. If the question is asked at the debates, would you keep those sections up, no one is saying yes to that. Maybe Harris, maybe Biden, that's it; but I'd seriously doubt they would either. If he could say that he fought against this in 2006, that's one thing, but he can't do that either. There's not going to be any centrist views on a border barrier, it's political suicide, if for nothing else it would be played on repeat for the four to five months of the general.

i mean, you're just wrong.  trust me, i pay quite a bit of attention to what democrats are messaging on "border security" and the notion of taking down existing barriers is just not on the table for the party as a whole.  criticizing obama is maybe on the table, but it's definitely not mainstream.

beto's record is mixed in terms of border security.  he fought very hard to not have barriers put up in downtown el paso (lost the fight) and has been outspoken about opposing the militarization of the border (wrote a book about legalizing marijuana that focused on the deleterious effects of the drug war on the border and border policing).  but he voted for several bills with "secure the border" funding.  presumably for district jobs and that sort of crap.

however you interpret his record, there is no one even close in either record or rhetoric on border issues.  it's not even debatable.

You seem to be giving Beto credit for saying something that doesn't really need voiced. I know taking existing barriers down isn't on the table, and he wouldn't do it either. I'll state again that if any of the rest were asked if they support removing existing barriers they would all be amenable to it or their campaign would be over. Maybe Julian Castro can get ahead of the curve and say that he'd support a nationwide ban on assault weapons. Never mind that the rest would support the same if asked and the ban would never happen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
You seem to be giving Beto credit for saying something that doesn't really need voiced. I know taking existing barriers down isn't on the table, and he wouldn't do it either. I'll state again that if any of the rest were asked if they support removing existing barriers they would all be amenable to it or their campaign would be over. Maybe Julian Castro can get ahead of the curve and say that he'd support a nationwide ban on assault weapons. Never mind that the rest would support the same if asked and the ban would never happen.

it needed to be voiced for me.

you're asserting a hypothetical.  i don't think you're right, but it's impossible to prove you're wrong.  i'd say let's wait and see what they say when asked, but i probably watched (or read) beto answer 50-100 voter questions last week and if there was a single question asked about anything about related to the border or even about non-daca immigration, i missed it.  americans just don't give a crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 10:52:50 AM
I’ve not studied it at all, but are there any negative consequences to just having a public healthcare option and let it compete with private insurers?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/18/18270857/medicare-for-all-beto-orourke-2020-policies-voxcare
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Health insurance costs began to skyrocket in 94 when most of the BCBS's converted from non-profit mutual companies to for-profit publicly traded companies. For the life of me, I'll never know why they were allowed to do that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:11:52 AM
Quote
“I am thinking about it,” she voluntarily admitted, as she has before.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stacey-abrams-2020-813613/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:12:55 AM
 :Ugh:
Health insurance costs began to skyrocket in 94 when most of the BCBS's converted from non-profit mutual companies to for-profit publicly traded companies. For the life of me, I'll never know why they were allowed to do that.

health insurance in the united states is expensive because health care in the united states is expensive.  not the other way around.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
Why is healthcare so expensive?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
Not enough doctors, patent laws, too many FDA regs...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dmartin on March 27, 2019, 11:21:10 AM
https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1110928778790764544
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:28:25 AM
the math on this is wrong ($27 is per contributor not per contribution, iirc), but it should be well over 15 million and 20 million seems possible.  in addition to sanders and beto, i'll be most interested in seeing donations for harris, buttigieg and warren.

https://twitter.com/PoliticoScott/status/1110916371586654209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1110928778790764544

eff yeah.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
I don't appreciate how sys two times Beto with Stacy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2019, 12:51:35 PM
Not enough doctors, patent laws, too many FDA regs...

Good Lord, big pharma speaks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
I don't appreciate how sys two times Beto with Stacy.

gE's Temptation Island.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 27, 2019, 01:14:52 PM
Why is healthcare so expensive?

It’s a little complicated, but if you get the chance you should definitely talk to someone in the healthcare business industry like pharma reps and medical device providers. It’s one of the swampiest of swampy industries in America, with all kinds of kickbacks where everyone is scratching each other’s backs to get rich off of people who just take their doctor’s advice because they trust them.

It really is pretty disgusting even if you only get a tiny piece of the picture.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 27, 2019, 01:22:43 PM
this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

In essence, make sure you have the best identity politics platform and you'll capture LibDerp Nation.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on March 27, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
Why is healthcare so expensive?

It’s a little complicated, but if you get the chance you should definitely talk to someone in the healthcare business industry like pharma reps and medical device providers. It’s one of the swampiest of swampy industries in America, with all kinds of kickbacks where everyone is scratching each other’s backs to get rich off of people who just take their doctor’s advice because they trust them.

It really is pretty disgusting even if you only get a tiny piece of the picture.

In a previous life I was employed at a mental health benefits third party administrator.  There was a definite pay to play aspect that existed to get with the "right" brokers in order to get in front of the end client.  This was back 15 years ago or so, nothing even approaching parity with medical benefits, so it was quite a bit more wild-west as to how skeevy you wanted to play.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 27, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

In essence, make sure you have the best identity politics platform and you'll capture LibDerp Nation.
:shooturmouth:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2019, 02:30:48 PM
sys, would you prefer a beto/abrams, abrams/beto, beto/myscan, or abrams/myscan ticket?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
if i could unilaterally appoint the president and vice president i would appoint abrams/beto and i also think that abrams/beto would be the best ticket for the general, so if i only was able to unilaterally appoint the democratic ticket it would also be abrams/beto.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
with the caveat that i know a lot more about beto, so i could change my mind on abrams with more exposure.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2019, 03:43:07 PM
:Ugh:
Health insurance costs began to skyrocket in 94 when most of the BCBS's converted from non-profit mutual companies to for-profit publicly traded companies. For the life of me, I'll never know why they were allowed to do that.

health insurance in the united states is expensive because health care in the united states is expensive.  not the other way around.

It's actually both but more the insurance companies than the healthcare provider.  Insurance companies set the pricing for most of healthcare thru PPO contracts with providers to Usual and Customary limits written into policies.  A hospital can charge a person without insurance any price they want, they are not bound by a contract.  Providers have a payment schedule established with the insurance company they are legally obligated to accept as payment in full. They offset those reduced amounts by over-charging the uninsured.

As someone who worked in the health insurance industry for 15 years I can tell you that skyrocketing premiums and the increase in lesser coverage plans like HMOs can all be correlated to 1994 when they started having to answer to stockholders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
profit margins for health insurance companies average in the low single digits.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2019, 04:12:25 PM
And over 50% of hospitals lose money every year.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
I assumed it was because we are really unhealthy as a population
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
And over 50% of hospitals lose money every year.

so i think we can rule out profit seeking by insurance companies and hospitals as principal drivers of elevated health care costs in the us.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not enough doctors, patent laws, and FDA regs being very costly to meet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 05:19:45 PM
How about technology? And progress allowing for more/better treatments?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 05:26:28 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not enough doctors, patent laws, and FDA regs being very costly to meet.

yeah, i think those are all important factors. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
A lot of it is med mal


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 27, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
uh oh sys. Stacey Abrams said no to Biden and is now coming after Beto.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
i'd rather see s carolina, but a poll from anywhere in the south is nice.

https://twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/1110700712542040064

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 07:11:27 PM
uh oh sys. Stacey Abrams said no to Biden and is now coming after Beto.

one of the things i like about abrams is that, like beto, she usually responds to questions with what she actually thinks rather than what she intuits she's supposed to say.


not withstanding what i just said, if she's going to run she probably should steer clear of anything that comes even close to self pity.  although i guess self pity has worked very well for trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 08:25:26 PM
that alabama poll reinforces my gut feeling that harris support is softer than people appear to think.  if abrams decides to run, i think she would pretty much torpedo her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 08:41:49 PM
sanders seems to think nevada is either going to make or break him.

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1110970731389771777
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 09:12:54 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1111004262354636800
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not enough doctors, patent laws, and FDA regs being very costly to meet.

Our number of doctors per 1000 people is roughly the same as the UK and the EU average, and more than Canada and Japan. Scandinavia, Australia, and New Zealand have significantly more but I'm certain that if you developed an equation of number of doctors per 1000 with the cost of health care we'd still significantly outpace those counties. There are pockets of the country that are healthy with an abundance of doctors like Southern California and Colorado but health care isn't cheaper in these places when compared to say South Dakota.

Those other three things don't really speak to things like the absurd cost of insulin, and before we go there let's not act as if the insulin example is isolated.

Those things are certainly factors but they are far from anything close to the greatest factor. Whomever said that the driving force is accountability to share holders had it correctly.

I'm not sure where sys got his numbers on insurers and hospitals not profiting from increased healthcare costs but they are either misleading, inaccurate, or both.
https://www.axios.com/health-care-industry-on-track-massive-q2-profits-1533226387-dacec8f8-c9f5-406c-a49e-1103e3316c64.html
Download the chart they link. UnitedHealth Group (unfortunately my insurer, pretty much everyone) had over $12 billion in profits last year.  HCA Healthcare, one of if not the largest hospital conglomos in the country only had a reported $4 billion in profits last year.
The healthcare industry have annual profits larger than the GDP's of most of those counties that have better doctor to patient ratios than the United States.

The talk of universal Medicare is frustrating because it's not going to happen, the healthcare industry is just way too big of a sector of our economy.  I wish the democrats would come up with a plan to heavily regulate the industry with price controls but provide incentives for innovation for pharmaceutical companies and tie incentives to desired incomes for providers. I'd also be perfectly fine with protecting providers from malpractice claims if doing so can directly have a positive effect on the number of providers and the lowering of costs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:06:34 PM
https://www.axios.com/health-care-industry-on-track-massive-q2-profits-1533226387-dacec8f8-c9f5-406c-a49e-1103e3316c64.html

per the numbers in your axios link, profit margins are now in the high single digits, the difference being mostly due to the tax cuts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2019, 11:09:24 PM
What a thread!

https://twitter.com/SenatorMeow/status/1110600867080794113?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2019, 11:12:29 PM
this is good.

https://thinkprogress.org/2020-progressives-face-hard-truths-race-cornell-belcher-interview-739ce3010f3f/

Yeah, good article and as the remaining black voice of gE, there's a bit to unpack here.
1.Most importantly, I think and hope he's wrong about the reparations issue. The fix du jour is simply too easy for anyone to say "I'll commission a group to study it." If you're going to make something that big of an issue it should probably be something that will actually have an outcome.

2. I also hope he's wrong, and I'm pretty sure he is, about Bernie losing because of Black Lives Matter. Sure he didn't give the desired sound bite that one time, but holy hell do people really need an education on how many black people the Clintons happily locked up? You can make a very strong argument that they are most responsible for African-American mass incarceration since Jim Crow ended. Yeah,.I know some people absolutely "cancelled" Bernie because he said "all people matter," I don't think that amount of people were significant enough to cost him the primary. The biggest issue with Bernie is/was...

3. I do agree with Mr. Belcher that South Carolina is the most important primary to judge on how the candidates are connecting with black voters. He didn't come out and say it but he talked around this fact. Southern blacks mostly are evangelical and don't at all share the platform priorities that other African Americans throughout the country, like me. Black evangelicals are still a lot more socially conservative, it's why Obama ran as a moderate when he really wasn't one and he opened himself up to mockery from Republicans when he "switched" his position on equal rights for all. He didn't switch at all, he just couldn't parade gay rights in the face of Black evangelicals. I worry that the Democrats will never be able to have a 21st century liberal win the nomination because of that Southern firewall. The shitty conundrum is because of the electoral college a liberal is much more likely to be elected, but less likely to win the nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2019, 11:16:49 PM
What a thread!

https://twitter.com/SenatorMeow/status/1110600867080794113?s=19

This is really good lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:55:53 PM
1.Most importantly, I think and hope he's wrong about the reparations issue. The fix du jour is simply too easy for anyone to say "I'll commission a group to study it."

i think he's right.  reparations are massively unpopular with white voters.  there's not much point in winning the primary if you have to take positions that will doom you in the general.


holy hell do people really need an education on how many black people the Clintons happily locked up?

he's not running against clinton this time.  even worse he's running against like 14 people.  he might not be distinguishably unpalatable against some (biden, harris), but he's also going to be compared to others much more willing and able to draw a contrast (booker, beto, castro).  and i'll be very interested to see where abrams lines up if she runs


Southern blacks mostly are evangelical and don't at all share the platform priorities that other African Americans throughout the country, like me.

i'm not sure i buy the assertion that black voters outside the south share a uniformly liberal view.  but regardless, in states where black voters are not concentrated, they just don't have the same kind of influence.  and even in the south, they may not have the influence they once had.  we may see the black vote in sc and super tuesday get meaningfully split among multiple candidates in 2020, for the first time in a long time.


The shitty conundrum is because of the electoral college a liberal is much more likely to be elected, but less likely to win the nomination.

oh, i quite disagree.  actually the most electable candidate is the one that best conforms to my own policy preferences, not to yours.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2019, 12:26:47 AM
i think he's right.  reparations are massively unpopular with white voters.  there's not much point in winning the primary if you have to take positions that will doom you in the general.

I missed a key sentence in his paragraph, I agree with his point on this.



he's not running against clinton this time.  even worse he's running against like 14 people.  he might not be distinguishably unpalatable against some (biden, harris), but he's also going to be compared to others much more willing and able to draw a contrast (booker, beto, castro).  and i'll be very interested to see where abrams lines up if she runs

I don't really agree or disagree with you on this because I don't think the BLM issue or any race issue doomed him, for people who actually care about these things he's definitely liberal enough, far more so than Harris. Not that I can possibly know this but I'm willing to bet more voting African Americans cared far more about his history with the civil rights movement than him saying "all lives matter" that one time.



i'm not sure i buy the assertion that black voters outside the south share a uniformly liberal view.  but regardless, in states where black voters are not concentrated, they just don't have the same kind of influence.  and even in the south, they may not have the influence they once had.  we may see the black vote in sc and super tuesday get meaningfully split among multiple candidates in 2020, for the first time in a long time.



oh, i quite disagree.  actually the most electable candidate is the one that best conforms to my own policy preferences, not to yours.

I don't think that black voters outside of the South share the same view, just that we are generally more socially progressive, particularly when it comes to civil rights and reproductive rights. While I'll shout "we are not a monolith" until the day I die, those issues make Southern blacks more of one and they geographical area also represents the largest concentration of us.

As to your last point, I don't know what your positions are, but I definitely agree that confirming your policies that suit a black socialist from the high plains probably isn't a winning formula.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 12:50:28 AM
I don't think that black voters outside of the South share the same view, just that we are generally more socially progressive, particularly when it comes to civil rights and reproductive rights.

i don't have any first hand knowledge, nor have i seen any data, but it "feels" to me like southern blacks have gotten quite a bit more liberal over the last decade or so.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 07:08:03 AM
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1111207858425810945
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2019, 08:41:55 AM
I don't think that black voters outside of the South share the same view, just that we are generally more socially progressive, particularly when it comes to civil rights and reproductive rights.

i don't have any first hand knowledge, nor have i seen any data, but it "feels" to me like southern blacks have gotten quite a bit more liberal over the last decade or so.

When it comes to LGTB rights, no not really, not any more than other evangelicals. There's also another sector of African Americans that are resentful of these issues being brought under the same umbrella as equal rights based on race and gender, doesn't even consider it a civil rights issue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/pete-buttigieg-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html

The takeaway here is that he was on The Breakfast Club, he's here to stay.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2019, 08:45:06 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/zunsfxjyOAE[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 28, 2019, 09:03:12 AM
https://twitter.com/jacobonpurpose/status/1111020261200019456?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
There's also another sector of African Americans that are resentful of these issues being brought under the same umbrella as equal rights based on race and gender, doesn't even consider it a civil rights issue.

yeah, i can see that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 09:28:34 AM
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1111247860207632384
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1111231420012347394
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 28, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
another good iowa number for buttigieg.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1111280059912863744
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on March 28, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1111231420012347394

Interesting....This is someone to take a good look at.  At first glance, comes across as too innocent for the brutality of this coming cycle, but mos def want to know more.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 28, 2019, 10:32:54 AM
Broward County!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on March 29, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
See ya, Joe.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1111752368872456192?s=19

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2019, 09:50:29 PM
See ya, Joe.

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1111752368872456192?s=19

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That is the most believable story ever, Joe might be the handiest public figure O.A.T.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 29, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
NOT JOE!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on March 30, 2019, 05:19:56 AM
Just a matter of time before the creepy Uncle Joe clips started going again.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 30, 2019, 07:45:00 AM
PETE! swoop in!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2019, 09:47:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ztsamudzi/status/1111999098419204096?s=19

https://twitter.com/MrProfChanda/status/1112001536404701185?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 30, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/30/stacey-abrams-2020-1243850
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 30, 2019, 04:44:27 PM
welcome to being considered to be a real candidate, buttigieg.


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 30, 2019, 06:21:42 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2019, 03:18:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1112168510048755712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1112331904030834688
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
https://twitter.com/LatinoPPF/status/1112424164445425664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 31, 2019, 04:38:30 PM
look at pete halfway to double digits  :Woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 31, 2019, 06:57:18 PM
Democrats are warning pervey-Joe to stay out of the race.....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2019, 09:22:34 PM
1st quarter fec numbers won't come out for another couple of weeks, but some campaigns are probably going to disclose partial info before then, so i want to get a few guesses in for candidates of interest.  individual q1 donations only, not including any super pac or money transferred from previous campaigns.

where i include a range, i have more confidence.  a single number less so.

sanders - 22-27 million
harris - 18
beto - 12-15
buttigieg - 8
warren - 6

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2019, 09:50:39 PM
https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1112497560177070081
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2019, 02:43:23 AM
welcome to being considered to be a real candidate, buttigieg.


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

I didn't read the whole thing. I thought the critiques of the lack of policy positions and Mayor Pete's bullshit reasons for not solidifying his positions were great. The article should have stopped there. The author's resentment of privilege has lead to blinding bias. The breakdown of Mayor Pete's assessment of Harvard Square is some of the dumbest and most intentionally inaccurate crap I've ever read. Yes, most of Cambridge is poor and filled with immigrants, but not Harvard Square, not close to Harvard Square. In fact you'd have to go out of your way to see that Cambridge if you're a Harvard student and just because Mayor Pete may or may not have that's not an indictment of his willingness to fight for those in that Cambridge. He very well might be a warmongering, fiscally moderate, wall street loving, DubyaO'Clinton clone but some of the reasoning laid out in that piece ain't it, chief.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 01, 2019, 08:29:24 AM
Are 'crats going to dump their only chance to beat Trump with uncle Joe?  This principled stand against misogyny and racism is impressive and while costing the party the 2020 election might be a step toward credibility.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
1st quarter fec numbers won't come out for another couple of weeks, but some campaigns are probably going to disclose partial info before then, so i want to get a few guesses in for candidates of interest.  individual q1 donations only, not including any super pac or money transferred from previous campaigns.

where i include a range, i have more confidence.  a single number less so.

sanders - 22-27 million
harris - 18
beto - 12-15
buttigieg - 8
warren - 6

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1112648652781170694
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2019, 10:09:18 AM
The Pete snowball is just starting to build


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 01, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
What do candidates do with all that money?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
What do candidates do with all that money?

Ads, travel, infrastructure. Most money = most ads and biggest staffs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 01, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
If you don't win the election you should have to pay everyone back.  Politicians are unconscionable monsters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2019, 02:59:31 PM
I think they generally give their money to a remaining candidate if they drop out of the race. It will all eventually roll downhill to the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 01, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Political ads should be abolished.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 01, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
I have no real reason for thinking this, but I always sort of assumed that the end of a campaign is usually completely determined by the point at which the candidate runs out of money.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 01, 2019, 05:13:10 PM
#TeamPete

https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1112814757944414209?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 01, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
Lol, Pete's going to be out of this thing within 6 weeks when it's proven that was all staged.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 08:19:29 PM
I have no real reason for thinking this, but I always sort of assumed that the end of a campaign is usually completely determined by the point at which the candidate runs out of money.

yes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 08:25:55 PM
1st quarter fec numbers won't come out for another couple of weeks, but some campaigns are probably going to disclose partial info before then, so i want to get a few guesses in for candidates of interest.  individual q1 donations only, not including any super pac or money transferred from previous campaigns.

where i include a range, i have more confidence.  a single number less so.

sanders - 22-27 million
harris - 18
beto - 12-15
buttigieg - 8
warren - 6

not a great guess by me.  not a great number for harris.

https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/1112879196202848258
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on April 01, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
I’ve been a Beto guy but I’m very close to being #TeamPete


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 08:40:25 PM
i'm allowing myself to pile on a little due to her poor numbers.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1112886230193143808
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 09:49:04 PM
i'm allowing myself to pile on a little due to her poor numbers.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1112886230193143808

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1112892761332703232
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2019, 10:29:35 PM
So what? This primary season is already completely insufferable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 10:47:47 PM
i think politicians know what they're good at and what they aren't good at, mir.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2019, 11:01:23 PM
Sure. But it's rough ridin' April 1 and people are comparing gaggle counts. The democrats can't help themselves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2019, 11:12:01 PM
it's something i'm interested in at this particular point in time.  i'm not trying to persuade you that you should be as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2019, 11:42:19 PM
Yeah, I'm just #peteing until the debates and then I'll continue #peteing while also starting to pay attention to other candidates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 02, 2019, 06:40:12 AM
The people on left side don't even vote.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1112877379125379077
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 07:29:02 AM
I'll be honest, my confidence that the Democrats won't eff this up is very low.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 10:09:05 AM
I'll be honest, my confidence that the Democrats won't eff this up is very low.

they have a lot of candidates that are probably broadly acceptable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
so far, my guesses have been too high for everyone.  good number of donors for sanders, but his avg donation dropped to $20.  i kinda assumed they managed that with donation level suggestions to try and always hit $27.

https://twitter.com/laurenegambino/status/1113085414049529857
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 10:36:31 AM
true.

https://twitter.com/DavidChalian/status/1113083148416548864
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1113099536224997376
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 10:51:40 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3KD0bKXkAAdyEG.jpg)

(Gregorian Style)
Hear us, O Beto, and have mercy, because we have sinned against Thee.
Hear us, O Beto, and have mercy, because we have sinned against Thee.

To Thee, highest Beto,
Redeemer of all,
do we lift up our eyes
in weeping:
Hear, O Beto, the prayers
of your servants.

Hear us, O Beto, and have mercy, because we have sinned against Thee.

Right hand of the Beto,
corner-stone,
way of salvation,
gate of utopia,
wash away our
stains of sin.

Hear us, O Beto, and have mercy, because we have sinned against Thee.

We beseech Thee, Beto,
in Thy great majesty:
Hear our groans
with Thy holy ears:
calmly forgive
our crimes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 02, 2019, 10:55:38 AM
Holy Christ if Bernie wins...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
Biden's real problems have nothing to do with him being overly affectionate (LibDerp Nation circling the wagons word).

It's:  Ukraine, Burisma Holdings, Rosemont-Seneca Partners LLC, Poroshenko, Shokin, Biden Jr. (with help from Barry Obama)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 02, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
Wackycat08, what is the scariest part of a Bernie presidency for you?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 02, 2019, 11:18:53 AM
Do we really want an 80 year old president.  I mean 80 is incredibly old.  80!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 11:26:46 AM
Do we really want an 80 year old president.  I mean 80 is incredibly old.  80!

yes, it's time to start governing for the future instead of the past.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 02, 2019, 11:39:40 AM
sys, is the money raised an actual indicator of who the people want to win and/or will be good at the job, or an indicator of who could win based on having suckered the most money out of people with which to survive campaign costs?

A lot of this seems like the dumb way movies are ranked based on how much money they brought in, when that's really just a function of how good a movie's marketing was and how much tickets were at the time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 02, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Wackycat08, what is the scariest part of a Bernie presidency for you?

let's not do this again
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
sys, is the money raised an actual indicator of who the people want to win and/or will be good at the job, or an indicator of who could win based on having suckered the most money out of people with which to survive campaign costs?

A lot of this seems like the dumb way movies are ranked based on how much money they brought in, when that's really just a function of how good a movie's marketing was and how much tickets were at the time.

it's both (in a presidential primary).  money raised from small donations is a pretty good indicator of the size of, and intensity of feeling among, core supporters.  people that may volunteer, may convince friends and family to vote, etc.  that doesn't directly translate to the number of people that might vote for you, but it's meaningful.

it's also the case that to seriously compete in a presidential primary, you need a fair bit of money.  at this point in the cycle, more than anything you need to be able to hire and pay staff.  if you can't do that it's pretty impossible to win.  and you need to be stockpiling money for advertising later in the cycle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 02, 2019, 12:34:40 PM
it's something i'm interested in at this particular point in time.  i'm not trying to persuade you that you should be as well.

My concern isn't what I'm interested in, my concern comes from the democrats and the ardent followers from some of these candidates muddying up this process by giving value to things that ultimately have nothing to do with an ability to govern and lead, simply because their guy/gal does thing X better than candidate B, C, and D.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 02, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
sys, is the money raised an actual indicator of who the people want to win and/or will be good at the job, or an indicator of who could win based on having suckered the most money out of people with which to survive campaign costs?

A lot of this seems like the dumb way movies are ranked based on how much money they brought in, when that's really just a function of how good a movie's marketing was and how much tickets were at the time.

Mostly the former.

At this early point, 10 months from the Iowa Caucuses, 11 months from Super Tuesday, the ability to raise money is very closely tied to how much money you already have, your name recognition, and media coverage. There are absolutely people donating to certain campaigns now that will change their horse at some point in this process. I've been contacted by Bernie Sanders campaign 6 times already, twice by Delaney, none from anyone else.

The media coverage is incredibly important. Mayor Pete got a CNN town hall because he has a unique story to tell. His candidacy got a huge boost from that town hall specifically his line about Mike Pence. If he didn't have that town hall, he wouldn't have anywhere close to the amount of money he has now. He is a prime example of being the beneficiary of a kingmaker.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 02, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Wackycat08, what is the scariest part of a Bernie presidency for you?
He won't beat Trump, mainly....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 01:08:11 PM
Amen, Wacky.  Elizabeth Warren won't beat Trump either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 02, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
sys, is the money raised an actual indicator of who the people want to win and/or will be good at the job, or an indicator of who could win based on having suckered the most money out of people with which to survive campaign costs?

A lot of this seems like the dumb way movies are ranked based on how much money they brought in, when that's really just a function of how good a movie's marketing was and how much tickets were at the time.

Mostly the former.

At this early point, 10 months from the Iowa Caucuses, 11 months from Super Tuesday, the ability to raise money is very closely tied to how much money you already have, your name recognition, and media coverage. There are absolutely people donating to certain campaigns now that will change their horse at some point in this process. I've been contacted by Bernie Sanders campaign 6 times already, twice by Delaney, none from anyone else.

The media coverage is incredibly important. Mayor Pete got a CNN town hall because he has a unique story to tell. His candidacy got a huge boost from that town hall specifically his line about Mike Pence. If he didn't have that town hall, he wouldn't have anywhere close to the amount of money he has now. He is a prime example of being the beneficiary of a kingmaker.
I think CNN is giving town halls for all the candidates. I watched Hickenlooper stink it up about 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 02, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
If we don’t break up the united states, there’s gotta be a more equitable way to do this that attracts good people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
there’s gotta be a more equitable way to do this that attracts good people.

if we permit ourselves to include biden and abrams, i don't think there's been a stronger group of candidates in a primary in my lifetime.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
https://twitter.com/benfolds/status/1112909441526124544?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 02, 2019, 03:07:09 PM
Buttigieg is Bizarro Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 03:10:03 PM
like, at this point I wouldn't even be surprised if someone posted a vid of him dunking
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
there’s gotta be a more equitable way to do this that attracts good people.

if we permit ourselves to include biden and abrams, i don't think there's been a stronger group of candidates in a primary in my lifetime.

If you're 10.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 02, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
there’s gotta be a more equitable way to do this that attracts good people.

if we permit ourselves to include biden and abrams, i don't think there's been a stronger group of candidates in a primary in my lifetime.

Stronger in that they can win an election (or specifically this election), or that they'd be good at president'n?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 06:23:06 PM
If you mean stronger in that there are a record number that would beat trump then absolutely yes


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 02, 2019, 06:34:17 PM
Stronger in that they can win an election (or specifically this election), or that they'd be good at president'n?

stronger in that they are either traditionally credentialed, skilled at being a politician or both.  i'm sure most of them would be fine as presidents as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 08:16:57 PM
Newt sees it.

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1113125398320218112?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 02, 2019, 08:26:47 PM
The chances of it happening are my newt, but I really, really want a President Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 02, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
The chances of it happening are my newt, but I really, really want a President Pete.

So spracne is a wacky sock? Never would’ve guessed it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 08:48:01 PM
The chances of it happening are my newt, but I really, really want a President Pete.

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 08:53:25 PM
The chances of it happening are my newt, but I really, really want a President Pete.

So spracne is a wacky sock? Never would’ve guessed it.
Maybe Wacky is a Spracne sock.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
https://twitter.com/timrunshismouth/status/1112793349453430784?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 02, 2019, 10:53:33 PM
Meaningless tweet but check the comments. It’s a who’s who of the people that post responses to your moms Facebook political posts.

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1113067056071630848?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 11:21:56 PM
Meaningless tweet but check the comments. It’s a who’s who of the people that post responses to your moms Facebook political posts.

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1113067056071630848?s=21


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Once again, how positively . . . Trumpian
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2019, 12:48:00 AM
Meaningless tweet but check the comments. It’s a who’s who of the people that post responses to your moms Facebook political posts.

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1113067056071630848?s=21


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Once again, how positively . . . Trumpian

Pfft. Trump's personal keebler elf, Jeff Sessions, reversed Obama administration protections for states that had legalized weed. This happened in January of 2018, 14 months ago. Republican Colorado Governor Cory Gardner asked Trump to chill and he said he would, 13 months later the administration has done nothing legally to reverse what they did in January 2018. This literally happened yesterday.
https://twitter.com/RepDianaDeGette/status/1112806856571977728
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 03, 2019, 02:09:45 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 03, 2019, 04:50:42 PM
1st quarter fec numbers won't come out for another couple of weeks, but some campaigns are probably going to disclose partial info before then, so i want to get a few guesses in for candidates of interest.  individual q1 donations only, not including any super pac or money transferred from previous campaigns.

where i include a range, i have more confidence.  a single number less so.

sanders - 22-27 million
harris - 18
beto - 12-15
buttigieg - 8
warren - 6

not great.  i'd mentally revised down to more like 10-12 after sanders and harris came in under my expectations.  this is even worse.

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1113494957032132608
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 03, 2019, 05:33:33 PM
sys, a range should mean less confidence and a single number more so. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 03, 2019, 08:24:10 PM
sys, a range should mean less confidence and a single number more so.
Do not question the maestro.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 03, 2019, 08:38:02 PM
Pete has "it." I think he could handle any crisis that befalls him, and that's all I could ask for in a President.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 08:38:50 PM
alternatively a republican challenger that can say "donde esta la cerveza" would get my vote in the primary. and sys can say that the esta isn't needed and makes me seem like an idiot. I'll still vote for that, either way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

I'll clarify that old AF people probably aren't getting on board. But honestly eff them. imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 03, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
https://twitter.com/StephMurr_Jour/status/1113529957005889536
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 03, 2019, 09:29:31 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

buttigieg is somewhere between a non-woke beto and a white cory booker.  if that appeals to you, no reason not to donate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 03, 2019, 09:30:25 PM
sys, a range should mean less confidence and a single number more so.

that's why i had to explain that i meant them to mean the opposite.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 09:41:39 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

buttigieg is somewhere between a non-woke beto and a white cory booker.  if that appeals to you, no reason not to donate.

lmao beto is a non-woke beto


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 03, 2019, 10:14:27 PM
lmao beto is a non-woke beto

it makes it very hard to take people seriously when they can't identify where the different candidates are running.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 03, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
A Pete presidency would be hella boring and also very relieving
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2019, 10:30:11 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

buttigieg is somewhere between a non-woke beto and a white cory booker.  if that appeals to you, no reason not to donate.

lmao beto is a non-woke beto


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Exactly
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
A Pete presidency would be hella boring and also very relieving

I am ready to take on the challenge of never knowing how to say the president’s last name and it not ever mattering that I can’t.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 03, 2019, 11:23:42 PM
It would be so refreshing to have the president make me feel like I'm stupid for a change.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 03, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

I'll clarify that old AF people probably aren't getting on board. But honestly eff them. imo.

If this ass eff can't speak Pig Latin, he's no Pig Fuker! 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 03, 2019, 11:58:11 PM
A Pete presidency would be hella boring and also very relieving

I am ready to take on the challenge of never knowing how to say the president’s last name and it not ever mattering that I can’t.

I think Butt-rough rider would do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 03, 2019, 11:59:24 PM
Exactly

this makes me question whether you've listened to more than five minutes of either beto or buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 04, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
Pete to announce he's officially running on April 14th.

https://www.peteforamerica.com/april14/

#teampete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2019, 07:53:56 AM
Just want to congratulate Pete on becoming the 2nd least vetted Presidential Election nominee from a major party in modern American Presidential Electoral history. 

Good for you, Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2019, 07:56:13 AM
Wow, congratulations to Pete on becoming the nominee, and avoiding any vetting over the next year or so!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:01:22 AM
remember when everyone was like, "oh wow, beto speaks spanish and skateboards sort of!" LMAOMAO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:15:14 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservatives-have-no-idea-how-to-handle-mayor-pete-buttigieg
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2019, 08:24:40 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservatives-have-no-idea-how-to-handle-mayor-pete-buttigieg

I just want to thank this blogs 2nd biggest Limbaugh Fan, Steve Dave for posting that link.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 04, 2019, 08:26:15 AM
I was literally coming here to post that link... I probably won't get a thank you. Thanks a lot, steve dave.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2019, 08:27:07 AM
It would be so refreshing to have the president make me feel like I'm stupid for a change.

You should have just said how well spoken he is and left it at that. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2019, 08:28:58 AM
I'm a moderate republican and I'm going to donate to Pete. Because he's smart AF and can play the piano and speak like 12 languages. And if anyone thinks those aren't good reasons I'd like to hear why their candidate of choice is more deserving. and I think america will follow suit once they hear about this multi-lingual piano playing dude who isn't old AF.

I'll clarify that old AF people probably aren't getting on board. But honestly eff them. imo.

Old people have nothing better to do than take public transportation to the polls and drink coffee and vote for other old AF’s. We need to start denying olds the right to vote.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
Exactly

this makes me question whether you've listened to more than five minutes of either beto or buttigieg.

I haven't decided what, if any, Democrat I'm supporting yet. I'm pretty far left on most of the candidates but I'm a little bothered by this trend of progressives wanting everything to be free instead of offering actual solutions to issues. I'm going to eventually support the candidate who can express the best and most practical solutions to the issues that are most important to me. Mayor Pete seems like he can be someone who is an innovative consensus builder but he better get going with some ideas. If we're being honest and I had to caucus today, I'm probably going with Klobushar.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
 :clap:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1113820195708198913
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2019, 11:00:55 AM
I haven't decided what, if any, Democrat I'm supporting yet. I'm pretty far left on most of the candidates but I'm a little bothered by this trend of progressives wanting everything to be free instead of offering actual solutions to issues. I'm going to eventually support the candidate who can express the best and most practical solutions to the issues that are most important to me. Mayor Pete seems like he can be someone who is an innovative consensus builder but he better get going with some ideas. If we're being honest and I had to caucus today, I'm probably going with Klobushar.

i don't object to you not liking beto.  i object to people that very obviously have spent very little time watching his campaign think they can credibly dispute my characterization of the lane he's running in when i've been obsessively watching his every move for the last three weeks.

admittedly, i've spent much much less time watching buttigieg, but it's been enough to observe that their most notable difference is in how they approach race and identity stuff.

i'm certainly not the only person to have observed this.  there are plenty in the media that have said the same.


btw, you being in the far left of dem voters and leaning towards klobuchar is why primaries are so rough ridin' ridiculously hard to forecast - all or most of the candidates are broadly acceptable to most of the voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
Most people are going to just vote for whoever they find the most likable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 04, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
Which is Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 11:14:05 AM
Honestly, I can't imagine spending that much time right now looking into candidates like you have, especially after what happened last election. I appreciate your effort tho, SYS. It seems to have consumed you these last 2 years. I miss the basketball SYS tho.  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2019, 11:17:00 AM
I love following the primary, even though it's usually all but decided by the time I actually get to vote for one of the 2 or 3 candidates left when it gets to Kansas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2019, 11:18:41 AM
Honestly, I can't imagine spending that much time right now looking into candidates like you have, especially after what happened last election. I appreciate your effort tho, SYS. It seems to have consumed you these last 2 years. I miss the basketball SYS tho.  :frown:

i have serial hobbies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/MikeDrucker/status/1113860811662008321
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 04, 2019, 06:14:25 PM
That can’t be a real quote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 04, 2019, 06:15:42 PM
That can’t be a real quote.
It’s real, I heard it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 04, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
After Obama & Trump, the only things I care about in a President anymore is above average intelligence and work ethic, plus actual principles and a willingness to call out both parties in Congress for being idiots when they refuse to do things that way over half the country is in favor of.

I’m anxious to see the debates but right now I think those candidates are Pete and Yang: Tier 1. Beto, Sanders, Harris: Tier 2.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 04, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
That can’t be a real quote.
It’s real, I heard it.


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Vote for me so I can mess with the market and make my daughter stop crying.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2019, 06:49:03 PM
My 4th grade daughters best friend had to move away last year.  She was sad so I took her out for ice cream.  Should I have ran for president?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 06:50:19 PM
I’d have voted for you. So yes.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
releasing 10 years of taxes should be a condition for participating in any debates.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1113956258900512768
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
yikes


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2019, 08:05:46 PM
Socialist elites don’t want their wealth known. 

Banana Republic:  Population Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
bernie needs to go away imo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2019, 08:27:27 PM
Jesus Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 04, 2019, 08:40:10 PM
Jesus Bernie

this is anti-semitic
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:50:42 PM
Jesus Bernie

this is anti-semitic

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
hey kat kid, check your pms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

Biden Abrams is the play

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1113976578520776704
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2019, 10:09:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AthertonKD/status/1113949002016251904?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 10:22:48 PM
He’s so cringey


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2019, 11:06:51 PM
I like how he talks like the boyfriend of the eldest daughter on Modern Family.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1113992157902397440
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: j rake on April 04, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
i endorse mayor pete. i have read every article and watched every interview.

very good candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2019, 03:01:26 AM
I haven't decided what, if any, Democrat I'm supporting yet. I'm pretty far left on most of the candidates but I'm a little bothered by this trend of progressives wanting everything to be free instead of offering actual solutions to issues. I'm going to eventually support the candidate who can express the best and most practical solutions to the issues that are most important to me. Mayor Pete seems like he can be someone who is an innovative consensus builder but he better get going with some ideas. If we're being honest and I had to caucus today, I'm probably going with Klobushar.

i don't object to you not liking beto.  i object to people that very obviously have spent very little time watching his campaign think they can credibly dispute my characterization of the lane he's running in when i've been obsessively watching his every move for the last three weeks.

admittedly, i've spent much much less time watching buttigieg, but it's been enough to observe that their most notable difference is in how they approach race and identity stuff.

i'm certainly not the only person to have observed this.  there are plenty in the media that have said the same.


btw, you being in the far left of dem voters and leaning towards klobuchar is why primaries are so rough ridin' ridiculously hard to forecast - all or most of the candidates are broadly acceptable to most of the voters.

I don't dislike Beto at all, not even a little bit. Your Beto zealotry makes it impossible for anyone to take any position of the slightest bit of skepticism and it makes you have some petty sizeable blind spots that you sway away with some version of "you don't know him like I know him" which of course is very counterproductive when attempting to discuss strengths and weaknesses of candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 05, 2019, 09:40:45 AM
I don't dislike Beto at all, not even a little bit. Your Beto zealotry makes it impossible for anyone to take any position of the slightest bit of skepticism and it makes you have some petty sizeable blind spots that you sway away with some version of "you don't know him like I know him" which of course is very counterproductive when attempting to discuss strengths and weaknesses of candidates.

i'm open that i'm partial to beto, but i don't think i've spent much time here advocating for him.  i don't think that would be either entertaining or productive.

it's just a fact that i've watched his campaign more than anyone else here has.  when people post facts that are obviously wrong or opinions that aren't supported by fact, i'll correct them.  with respect to beto or any of the other candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 05, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
some interesting commentary.

https://news.yahoo.com/httpseditpublishingoathcomcmsentry5ca69164e4b0a00f6d3d245a-090000121.html

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 05, 2019, 03:08:58 PM
Has it been discussed in here that it was recently unearthed that Pete was an ALM'er and not a BLM'er?

You had a nice run Pete, sorry bro.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 05, 2019, 03:14:45 PM
Pete is adorably disgusting
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 05, 2019, 03:24:30 PM
Has it been discussed in here that it was recently unearthed that Pete was an ALM'er and not a BLM'er?

You had a nice run Pete, sorry bro.

he gets a free pass because the mayor is like the boss of all the cops. next.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 05, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
Pete is adorably disgusting

c27 disapproving makes me more #teamPete than j rake endorsing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 05, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
Pete is adorably disgusting

c27 disapproving makes me more #teamPete than j rake endorsing

I think there is one specific thing about Pete that "homosexuality is a mental disorder" 27 can't make it past.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 07, 2019, 01:48:28 AM
I haven't decided what, if any, Democrat I'm supporting yet.

i'm open that i'm partial to beto, but i don't think i've spent much time here advocating for him.  i don't think that would be either entertaining or productive.

somehow it only just occurred to me that mir's vote, unlike my vote and everyone else on this messageboard's vote, is incredibly valuable.  almost certainly more valuable than any amount of money i could send beto's way.  i'm going to try and resist, but it's like 50:50 that my posts in this thread are going to become extremely unentertaining and unproductive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 07, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
Pete is adorably disgusting

c27 disapproving makes me more #teamPete than j rake endorsing

I think there is one specific thing about Pete that "homosexuality is a mental disorder" 27 can't make it past.

 :sdeek: did he really say that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 07, 2019, 01:33:26 PM
https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1114904450907496449
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 07, 2019, 01:45:12 PM
Well Putin is homophobic, so yeah.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2019, 01:52:06 PM
Putin fears anyone he can’t control. So I’d say yeah.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 07, 2019, 01:57:13 PM
Does Patrick think putin fears trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on April 07, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
Well Putin is homophobic, so yeah.
:D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 07, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
very good for buttigieg, very bad for warren.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1114993347272245249
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2019, 04:25:22 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1114952355823390722?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 07, 2019, 07:32:26 PM
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1115037832274489345
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 07, 2019, 09:46:57 PM
this link is for mir only.

https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1115046949726691329
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
this link is for mir only.

https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1115046949726691329
I read anyway and it's so gross that those gross Iowans get so much influence
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 12:56:35 AM
I read anyway and it's so gross that those gross Iowans get so much influence

we could move to iowa if choosing a president mattered to us, you and i.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 02:28:32 AM
this link is for mir only.

https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1115046949726691329

I want to see him here but I'm not about going to stranger's houses, I don't care how liberal they are. I'll wait until the fall, I guess. I would like to see the top seven or eight or so before the brown and black forum in January.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 02:29:53 AM
this link is for mir only.

https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1115046949726691329
I read anyway and it's so gross that those gross Iowans get so much influence

Watch your goddamn mouth
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 10:16:59 AM
someone finally included abrams in a poll!

https://twitter.com/jslovegrove/status/1115209908264345600
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2019, 10:29:08 AM
lmao Warren


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on April 08, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Yeah nobody wants her as President, she should stay in the Senate where she might be able to get something done or maybe see if she can get a cabinet position later on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 10:47:18 AM
I think it's pretty early to be shitting on Warren. She may or may not win the nomination but she's going to get hot, probably after the debates start. She's certainly not going to poll well in South Carolina, definitely not at this point, but she's going to be in this race for the long haul, she has too many things going for her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 10:53:06 AM
Yeah nobody wants her as President

I don't agree with this at all. At this point, she's the most likely choice for Hillary voters, she's what they wanted Hillary to be. She's also popular with progressives. She probably has the most defined positions on the relevant issues at this point. Just because she doesn't have the ability to be on screen as much as Pete and Beto right now doesn't mean she isn't wanted. She's got great support here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on April 08, 2019, 10:54:17 AM
She's polling a distant 3rd in her own state.......
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Yeah nobody wants her as President

I don't agree with this at all. At this point, she's the most likely choice for Hillary voters, she's what they wanted Hillary to be. She's also popular with progressives. She probably has the most defined positions on the relevant issues at this point. Just because she doesn't have the ability to be on screen as much as Pete and Beto right now doesn't mean she isn't wanted. She's got great support here.
I think she's great. I don't know if it's the DNA test or media not paying attention to her or what  makes her poll so poorly
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 08, 2019, 11:27:31 AM
I like Liz a lot as a senator and someone who bangs the progressive drum at all times, but I just don't see her as a president. She's similar to Ted cruz... She's intelligent, passionate, and good at what she does but has hit the ceiling.

I would def support her if she's the nominee, but she's like 4th down the list.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
At this point, she's the most likely choice for Hillary voters.

twitter isn't a good substitute for polls, but on twitter i see the most overlap between people who really, really liked clinton and harris supporters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 08, 2019, 12:11:48 PM
At this point, she's the most likely choice for Hillary voters.

twitter isn't a good substitute for polls, but on twitter i see the most overlap between people who really, really liked clinton and harris supporters.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if a rigorous analysis of ideology said that Harris was the 2020 candidate most similar to Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
At this point, she's the most likely choice for Hillary voters.

twitter isn't a good substitute for polls, but on twitter i see the most overlap between people who really, really liked clinton and harris supporters.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if a rigorous analysis of ideology said that Harris was the 2020 candidate most similar to Hillary.

Oh she most definitely is, there will be a sector of the country who won't find Harris "relatable" but didn't have that issue with Hillary and won't with Warren.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
She's polling a distant 3rd in her own state.......

That's not really consequential, certainly not right now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 08, 2019, 01:22:38 PM
Beto, Beto, Beto, Beto . . .

(https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/1ecf6cd/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2290x1322+0+0/resize/2290x1322!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F7a%2F3f%2F90ecb45f40fd9bc5c40b0c732bd9%2Fbeto-orourke-rally-iowa.jpg)

(https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/994fa97/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2290x1322+0+0/resize/2290x1322!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F24%2F7c%2F7c5463c54ab4a6fc80f013a588c8%2Fbeto-rally.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
Beto, Beto, Beto, Beto . . .

(https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/1ecf6cd/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2290x1322+0+0/resize/2290x1322!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F7a%2F3f%2F90ecb45f40fd9bc5c40b0c732bd9%2Fbeto-orourke-rally-iowa.jpg)

(https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/994fa97/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2290x1322+0+0/resize/2290x1322!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F24%2F7c%2F7c5463c54ab4a6fc80f013a588c8%2Fbeto-rally.jpg)

LOL, dude has done well over a dozen appearances in Iowa in a very short time frame. Not every appearance will draw thousands.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/833880/elizabeth-warren-lot-policy-ideas-beto-orourke-lot-baseball-caps
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 01:34:12 PM
i think my phrasing was a little more succinct.  although, i was more proud of white cory booker and no one cared about that one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 08, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
I think Warren would be a good president but I don't think she can beat Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 03:41:20 PM
release your fundraising numbers, warren.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115347005423980544
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 04:22:21 PM
Good for my homie Klo, that's more than I thought she would have had.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 04:46:59 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.
Mostly. Or maybe an extremist with some views on both sides, but that makes me a moderate democrat on the 2-D Trump-Dem ideological line.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on April 08, 2019, 05:07:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.

Along these lines - this came out last week. Thought it was an interesting take.

Things Stacey Abrams and Pete Buttigieg get that most other pols don’t (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/things-stacey-abrams-and-pete-buttigieg-get-that-most-other-pols-dont/ar-BBVExow)
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 08, 2019, 06:44:48 PM
I’d take a Pete/Stacey or Stacey/Pete ticket.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 07:39:12 PM
 :party:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1115401366929924096
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 07:45:02 PM
biden 28%, sanders 20%, everyone else in single digits.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/437871-new-poll-biden-still-leads-democratic-presidential-pack-despite
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 07:50:54 PM
same poll in handy tweet form (but you miss out on the user friendly subtabs, although the sample isn't really big enough for subtabs).

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1115413421770588161
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
weekly morning consult (probably the best national poll) is out.

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1115436345202282496
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 09:32:10 PM
same poll in handy tweet form (but you miss out on the user friendly subtabs, although the sample isn't really big enough for subtabs).

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1115413421770588161

https://twitter.com/TxTrialAttorney/status/1115415706491936769

I've said this before but didn't look up the numbers to back it up. Polls this time in the cycle, historically, have been a horrific indicator of who the nominee will be. The last three elected Democrats have trailed by a lot at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 09:34:08 PM
Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.

Name recognition. He's the least liberal relevant candidate and he's going to get rocked if he enters and then becomes subject to scrutiny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 09:37:21 PM
I've said this before but didn't look up the numbers to back it up. Polls this time in the cycle, historically, have been a horrific indicator of who the nominee will be. The last three elected Democrats have trailed by a lot at this point.

yeah, i thing the odds have better than 50% that the nominee won't be biden or sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2019, 09:41:05 PM
:party:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1115401366929924096
https://twitter.com/eastbaycitizen/status/1115423101087412224?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
is swalwell your rep, michigan?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 10:02:40 PM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
is swalwell your rep, michigan?
No, Barbara Lee is mine
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 10:47:26 PM
this, plus the next few posts, is among the stupidest things i've ever seen a smart person say.

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1115375794803695616
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 11:34:37 PM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

Well I think you're right but the centrists you are talking about are who the parties are voting for. A lot of those moderate democrats, particularly between Pennsylvania and the Rockies, voted for the Republican because the Democrat was not likeable or relatable. I also think that the current administration has pushed the party left. I don't think fighting the current administration with centrism will energize the base. It's also going to be tough to raise money as a centrist running against a field of liberals. That being said, I don't see the union's endorsing the Bernie wing of candidates. Whomever gets the AFL-CIO to love them as much as they love Joe will have a strong leg up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2019, 07:31:57 AM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

Well I think you're right but the centrists you are talking about are who the parties are voting for. A lot of those moderate democrats, particularly between Pennsylvania and the Rockies, voted for the Republican because the Democrat was not likeable or relatable. I also think that the current administration has pushed the party left. I don't think fighting the current administration with centrism will energize the base. It's also going to be tough to raise money as a centrist running against a field of liberals. That being said, I don't see the union's endorsing the Bernie wing of candidates. Whomever gets the AFL-CIO to love them as much as they love Joe will have a strong leg up.

I think voting against trump will energize the base no matter who the candidate is. Getting those tweener votes is more important imo.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2019, 07:42:36 AM
Yeah, most years I wouldn't even bother with the democrat candidate, but I'll be voting against someone for the first time so they can nominate W and I'd vote for him.

I really hate voting against people but it's what the situation calls for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2019, 07:47:58 AM
Of course my vote doesn't matter at all because for some reason the only national office that's voted on values winning arbitrary geographic areas instead of the country as a whole.

Oh well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2019, 07:50:39 AM
Your state is purple now. Democrat Governor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2019, 07:52:11 AM
We have split electoral votes so I tell myself my vote matters but I don’t know what math would have to play out for that to actually be the case.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2019, 08:27:52 AM
Your state is purple now. Democrat Governor.

Missouri  :angry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2019, 09:10:27 AM
We have split electoral votes so I tell myself my vote matters but I don’t know what math would have to play out for that to actually be the case.


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Don't worry SD, when the meltdown finally hits critical mass (and we're a long way away from that) the electoral college will be abolished and your vote will no longer matter.   Grab some swag off the table on your way out . . . kids just love those bouncy balls with the LED lights in them, so grab a couple of those for the youngsters.   Thanks for stopping in.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2019, 09:22:31 AM
Wait, wouldn’t that be opposite?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
Wait, wouldn’t that be opposite?


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Nope
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2019, 09:37:08 AM
Please explain, dax.

tia
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2019, 09:43:44 AM
Please explain, dax.

tia

There won't be an electoral college to worry about in a few years and then you can be assured that your fly over country vote won't matter at all. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 09, 2019, 09:45:44 AM
I live in Texas, my vote already doesn't count.

I think the primary process needs to change.  Basically 4-5 states determine who the nominee for each party will be.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
dax, that's opposite.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
Nope
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: OK_Cat on April 09, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
My vote has never mattered living in Oklahoma.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2019, 10:51:04 AM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

I promise I just saw this now and not before I posted last night...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2019, 11:06:29 AM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

I promise I just saw this now and not before I posted last night...
https://twitter.com/ghgtobias/status/1115626884178616320?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on April 09, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
Please explain, dax.

tia

There won't be an electoral college to worry about in a few years and then you can be assured that your fly over country vote won't matter at all. 



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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2019, 11:31:42 AM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

I promise I just saw this now and not before I posted last night...
https://twitter.com/ghgtobias/status/1115626884178616320?s=19
That’s all well and good, but the research they actually cited and linked in that claim is here: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/9630e74d811ef3b29b40293438763f4b.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
lolol. Moxie!

https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1115395352172089344
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
8man, that last one more likely shows movement in how voters perceive the ideological direction of the democratic party than movement in the ideological direction of voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
I live in Texas, my vote already doesn't count.

I think the primary process needs to change.  Basically 4-5 states determine who the nominee for each party will be.

texas is a contested state now.  although maybe you're talking about the primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2019, 01:44:07 PM
8man, that last one more likely shows movement in how voters perceive the ideological direction of the democratic party than movement in the ideological direction of voters.
I would agree that voters perceive that the party has shifted.  Seems they would like it to be more moderate than their current perception.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 01:53:41 PM
i guess i'm trying to draw a distinction between whether the party has shifted and whether voters perceive that the party has shifted.

like there could be perfect stasis in both the party ideology and the mean voter ideology, but the response could differ if voters perceived that the party ideology had not been static.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 09, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
i guess i'm trying to draw a distinction between whether the party has shifted and whether voters perceive that the party has shifted.

like there could be perfect stasis in both the party ideology and the mean voter ideology, but the response could differ if voters perceived that the party ideology had not been static.
Certainly.  I think what has happened is that they have all moved left in different increments. Party perception furthest, party ideology in the middle, and mean voter ideology least.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 03:52:47 PM
Certainly.  I think what has happened is that they have all moved left in different increments. Party perception furthest, party ideology in the middle, and mean voter ideology least.

that seems like a probable scenario.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2019, 05:50:48 PM
I have to say I respect that sys has shifted his off-season focus on to a kenpom like obsession with weird candidates for president that will never win and don't seem to even have any consistent ideology.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 08:26:31 PM
there are obsessive elements to my personality.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1115707164402900992
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 09, 2019, 11:11:39 PM
Which will promptly plummet if she becomes more popular, just like everyone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2019, 11:31:29 PM
 :Woohoo:
Which will promptly plummet if she becomes more popular, just like everyone else.

yeah.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2019, 12:33:15 AM
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1115707164402900992

Dubious as eff. No one knows who the hell she is. Nationality she may as well be that Florida
mayor that played at FSU.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 10, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
Dubious as eff. No one knows who the hell she is. Nationality she may as well be that Florida
mayor that played at FSU.

i haven't seen a favorability poll on her (annoyingly, g elliot didn't link wherever he saw those numbers he tweeted), but i'd guess she's at 60-70% no opinion/never heard of.  for comparison harris, beto and booker are at like 40-45% on that.  buttigieg is at 65%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 10, 2019, 02:14:05 PM
1st quarter fec numbers won't come out for another couple of weeks, but some campaigns are probably going to disclose partial info before then, so i want to get a few guesses in for candidates of interest.  individual q1 donations only, not including any super pac or money transferred from previous campaigns.

where i include a range, i have more confidence.  a single number less so.

sanders - 22-27 million
harris - 18
beto - 12-15
buttigieg - 8
warren - 6

i finally got one right - although after overshooting on everyone else i'd have reguessed at like 4 for warren if reguessing was allowed.  six is a pretty good number for her, comparatively.

she's spending a ton of money, which probably makes sense.  seeing what other candidates are spending will be interesting.

https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/1116045751556030464
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 10, 2019, 08:20:06 PM
interesting format for this wisconsin poll.  i think i like it better than preference + 2nd choice for basically the same information.

https://twitter.com/jdjmke/status/1116056120282447875
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
interesting format for this wisconsin poll.  i think i like it better than preference + 2nd choice for basically the same information.

https://twitter.com/jdjmke/status/1116056120282447875

FMK as the teeens say
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on April 10, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
but more like MFK
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2019, 10:50:14 PM
interesting format for this wisconsin poll.  i think i like it better than preference + 2nd choice for basically the same information.

https://twitter.com/jdjmke/status/1116056120282447875

really interesting. crazy that only Biden and Bernie have a larger share of "top choice" over "would not support" and Pete and Warren are the only ones close to having more
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 11, 2019, 12:08:42 PM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1116385435561938944
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 11, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
Go Pete!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 11, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
GO BETO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 11, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
Pete, wow
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
when biden goes, i think his followers will be spread among the non-bernie others
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 11, 2019, 08:35:16 PM
Howard Dean beyahhhhhh moment seems inevitable for Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2019, 09:09:10 PM
there is 0% chance he has sniffed his last female ear
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 11, 2019, 09:46:48 PM
there is 0% chance he has sniffed his last female ear

irl lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2019, 07:33:34 AM
I don't think Biden creeping women out will really hurt him. He's been doing it in plain sight for his entire career, and it really isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 12, 2019, 08:24:37 AM
It would have been a big deal a few years ago but trump has moved those goalposts into orbit and the only telescope that can see them is the one that took the black hole picture.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
I don't even think it would have been that big of a deal a few years ago. It didn't hurt him when he was on Obama's ticket.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2019, 08:48:19 AM
It would have been a big deal a few years ago but trump has moved those goalposts into orbit and the only telescope that can see them is the one that took the black hole picture.


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trump and biden have completely different voting bases, tho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2019, 08:51:17 AM
I don't even think it would have been that big of a deal a few years ago. It didn't hurt him when he was on Obama's ticket.
That's because the same ppl who were bitching about all of Trump's alleged offenders, didn't gaf about Biden doing the same crap during that time. #Politics101
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on April 12, 2019, 08:51:58 AM
when biden goes, i think his followers will be spread among the non-bernie others

I was wondering about this too, like who would get the lion's share.  Somebody should create a poll without Biden as an option!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 12, 2019, 08:53:08 AM
I don't even think it would have been that big of a deal a few years ago. It didn't hurt him when he was on Obama's ticket.
That's because the same ppl who were bitching about all of Trump's alleged offenders, didn't gaf about Biden doing the same crap during that time. #Politics101

I mean, it's not the "same crap"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2019, 09:01:22 AM
Hmmm, so Joe "gave multiple ringing endorsements of current AG Barr" Biden is in the lead.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 12, 2019, 09:07:05 AM
Hmmm, so Joe "gave multiple ringing endorsements of current AG Barr" Biden is in the lead.

Not my pick, for the record.  I would vote for him over, Trump, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
I don't even think it would have been that big of a deal a few years ago. It didn't hurt him when he was on Obama's ticket.
That's because the same ppl who were bitching about all of Trump's alleged offenders, didn't gaf about Biden doing the same crap during that time. #Politics101

I mean, it's not the "same crap"

Yeah, there is a pretty big difference between making somebody uncomfortable and having sex with that person or assaulting them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Are you saying Trump raped these girls? Or touched them inappropriately? I think you met the latter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 12, 2019, 09:25:35 AM
Are you saying Trump raped these girls? Or touched them inappropriately? I think you met the latter.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2019, 09:29:37 AM
What are you gawking at, weirdo?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
I have no doubt that trump has raped and sexually assaulted multiple women.

I wouldn't be surprised if Joey bides has too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
Are you saying Trump raped these girls? Or touched them inappropriately? I think you met the latter.

Trump has been accused of rape, and he has admitted to sexual assault.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 12, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
I was wondering about this too, like who would get the lion's share.  Somebody should create a poll without Biden as an option!

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

go to second choice, biden supporters.  there've been a few state polls that have asked people choices wo biden, but i don't want to look for them.


also see this new 538 article, which discusses one of the state polls wo biden.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-biden-doesnt-run-or-flops/

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2019, 12:02:44 PM
Biden's ear sniffing would be a problem in the primary but not the general. At least against Trump. And it wasn't a problem with Obama because those were different rough ridin' times. I mean Obama didn't even support gay marriage until the very end of his first term.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2019, 12:07:08 PM
Got to update my Joe Biden tally sheet:

-Loves war: Check
-Hands on guy:  Check
-Huge advocate of draconian sentencing legislation:  Check
-Always there with a hearty endorsement of people LibDerp Nation hate:  Check
-Family heavily engaged in former Easter Bloc corrupt governments and business entities:  Check

Looks and feels like Hillary Part Three.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 12, 2019, 08:37:44 PM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 13, 2019, 08:31:04 AM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too

The person who knows about and GAF about that is the person who attends all local political rallies, spreadsheets the candidates by position, and ultimately votes third party or writes in some obscure shitbags name. Nobody is chasing that vote nor should they.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 13, 2019, 08:54:33 AM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too

The person who knows about and GAF about that is the person who attends all local political rallies, spreadsheets the candidates by position, and ultimately votes third party or writes in some obscure shitbags name. Nobody is chasing that vote nor should they.


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@libstradamus
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 13, 2019, 09:12:04 AM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too

The person who knows about and GAF about that is the person who attends all local political rallies, spreadsheets the candidates by position, and ultimately votes third party or writes in some obscure shitbags name. Nobody is chasing that vote nor should they.


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@libstradamus
How dare you call Tom a shitbag.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 13, 2019, 09:15:43 AM
 :lol:

Tom is most definitely not a shitbag. He's a ge treasure.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 13, 2019, 10:06:06 AM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too

The person who knows about and GAF about that is the person who attends all local political rallies, spreadsheets the candidates by position, and ultimately votes third party or writes in some obscure shitbags name. Nobody is chasing that vote nor should they.


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Warren and Bernie will hit him hard on stuff like this and he won't have a good response.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 13, 2019, 10:19:31 AM
Nobody will GAF other than people who aren’t voting for him to begin with.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 13, 2019, 02:03:05 PM
:Ughhh:

https://twitter.com/RebeccaBuck/status/1117087455587512323
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 14, 2019, 01:44:47 AM
very good interview.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-319-beto-orourke-tv/id1043593599?i=1000434862553
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 14, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
:surprised:

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 14, 2019, 07:45:33 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 14, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
good logo for buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 14, 2019, 11:09:48 PM
Just in case anyone is wondering how to pronounce Pete's last name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OypBRrwv8
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 15, 2019, 01:10:06 AM
I’d like to know more about mayor Pete, but at this point I can already say I would be proud of Democrats if they pick this guy as their nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2019, 08:21:54 PM
eff you, bernie sanders.

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1117931106823811073
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 15, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
https://twitter.com/cedricfaiche/status/1117938448818683909?s=21.

#teampete.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 15, 2019, 09:11:05 PM
He's just the best.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 15, 2019, 09:16:17 PM
America’s mayor


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 16, 2019, 08:09:24 PM
https://twitter.com/shanegoldmacher/status/1118176763526434817?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 16, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathancohn/status/1118147621321883649?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2019, 08:58:15 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathancohn/status/1118147621321883649?s=21
:jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 16, 2019, 09:06:15 PM
More and more convinced that Trump is going to get re-elected.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 16, 2019, 09:19:04 PM
More and more convinced that Trump is going to get re-elected.

Bernie is the rough ridin' worst.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 16, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
Just another rough ridin' millionaire trying to relate to the working man.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
the delaware credit card/corporate stuff will be tough too

The person who knows about and GAF about that is the person who attends all local political rallies, spreadsheets the candidates by position, and ultimately votes third party or writes in some obscure shitbags name. Nobody is chasing that vote nor should they.


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:cry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 16, 2019, 10:27:17 PM
i'm hesitant to post this, because people will think it's beto propaganda.  feel free to replace beto with the candidate of your choice, they all have to do this crap.  beto just happens to be the one i'm following, so i see his clips.

this is rough ridin' hell on earth.  no job is worth this.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1118305708578156544
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
i'm hesitant to post this, because people will think it's beto propaganda.  feel free to replace beto with the candidate of your choice, they all have to do this crap.  beto just happens to be the one i'm following, so i see his clips.

this is rough ridin' hell on earth.  no job is worth this.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1118305708578156544

Good answer from Beto on the inclusion answer although I wish the person asking the question would have excluded the word racial. Diversity and inclusion should go well beyond race, if not why even use the phrase diversity and inclusion if you only believe in one aspect of it?

That video pisses me off, good for Beto but people are selfish as eff. Is a damn picture of a presidential candidate worth subjecting a person to that? We are a society of rapacious narcissists.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
Mayor Pete was the lead story on the DSM news tonight. He had 1650 people for a rally tonight, they had to move it outside to accommodate the attendees.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2019, 08:35:15 AM
Mayor Pete was the lead story on the DSM news tonight. He had 1650 people for a rally tonight, they had to move it outside to accommodate the attendees.

He’s got the momentum that can only come from speaking 26 languages and getting randomly pulled out of the crowd to do the piano part of November Rain and just rough ridin' nailing it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2019, 12:11:45 PM
lolollllll

https://twitter.com/marcusdipaola/status/1118523568437043200
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2019, 12:14:21 PM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 02:08:55 PM
people are selfish as eff. Is a damn picture of a presidential candidate worth subjecting a person to that? We are a society of rapacious narcissists.

they have no self-respect.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 02:09:22 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/bernie-sanders-thinking-he-will-win-it-all-2020/587326/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on April 17, 2019, 02:17:32 PM
I consider myself pretty moderate and Bernie doesn't move the needle one bit for me.

Don't see him winning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on April 17, 2019, 02:20:26 PM
people are selfish as eff. Is a damn picture of a presidential candidate worth subjecting a person to that? We are a society of rapacious narcissists.

they have no self-respect.
I think it also says something about the type of person that has the gall to do something so egotistical as to run for president of the USA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
I consider myself pretty moderate and Bernie doesn't move the needle one bit for me.

Don't see him winning.

Same. He moves the needle for me but in the garbage direction.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
https://twitter.com/USCDornsife/status/1118293871987793920

https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/2996/usc-dornsife-and-la-times-presidential-race-poll/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 02:34:16 PM
I consider myself pretty moderate and Bernie doesn't move the needle one bit for me.

Don't see him winning.

i'm going to create a poll to take the temperature of the moderate electorate.  everyone go vote as soon as i do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2019, 02:41:20 PM
I'm not moderate and I don't want Bernie as the nominee. Defeating Trump should be top priority.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
I'm not moderate and I don't want Bernie as the nominee. Defeating Trump should be top priority.

Yup. Priority one is dump trump. Priority two is get Pete as much exposure as possible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
somehow it only just occurred to me that mir's vote, unlike my vote and everyone else on this messageboard's vote, is incredibly valuable.  almost certainly more valuable than any amount of money i could send beto's way.  i'm going to try and resist, but it's like 50:50 that my posts in this thread are going to become extremely unentertaining and unproductive.

@MakeItRain

this is one of the better campaign event vids.  very short speech and then mostly questions.  also, better questions than normal because they're from local dem pols rather than the public.

https://www.facebook.com/betoorourke/videos/299746034285143/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 18, 2019, 09:05:42 AM
https://twitter.com/Reductress/status/1118877012221992962
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 18, 2019, 09:48:43 AM
Pete is enraging the libs.  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 18, 2019, 09:49:21 AM
Pete is enraging the libs.  :love:

he's a moderate dreamboat
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
Pete Buttigieg's South Bend Indiana:

A 26% poverty rate:

https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rate/indiana/south-bend

An eviction rate 3x the national average:

https://www.abc57.com/news/abc57-investigates-south-bend-eviction-rate-3-times-the-national-average-

At or near record high opiod overdoses

High rates of homelessness:

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/is-south-bend-doing-enough-to-address-homelessness/article_12aa297e-e589-594d-93d5-6ef37fd0c067.html

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 18, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
Pete is enraging the cons.  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
Running scared
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
Elect Pete B:  He talked a really great game while running a Rust Belt crap hole town with a well known university


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 18, 2019, 11:55:07 AM
He talked that game in several different languages.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 18, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Well Dax acting scared of a Pete presidency is all I needed to push me over to #TeamPete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
Well Dax acting scared of a Pete presidency is all I needed to push me over to #TeamPete

Why would anyone be scared.   Just trying to avoid another Dem getting the "least vetted presidential nominee" in history moniker.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 18, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
Pete is enraging the libs.  :love:

Not this lib. Check in with me two years into his potential term though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 19, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
in 2016, 43% of eligible voters were boomers or older.  in 2020, they will be 37% of eligible voters.


https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/an-early-look-at-the-2020-electorate/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2019, 11:13:57 AM
 :Woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 19, 2019, 12:34:10 PM
:excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on April 19, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
die baby die
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on April 19, 2019, 02:41:59 PM
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1119322391325360128

welcome Joe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2019, 02:50:38 PM
 :Yuck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 19, 2019, 03:11:41 PM
good.  now maybe we can get some action.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 03:43:22 PM
http://time.com/5574272/joe-biden-campaign-launch/

I’ve never seen anything so half-assed,” a former Biden aide said. “They’re improvising and doing last-minute planning. The guy has been running for President since 1987 and can’t figure the basics out, like where to stand on his first day? This should make everyone very nervous.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
Biden is trump without the need to be the most horrible person in the room.  :Yuck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Biden is trump without the need to be the most horrible person in the room.  :Yuck:

You know Joe is whispering racist and off color jokes at the shrimp cocktail bowl down at the club with all the other white guys.   One of Joe's buds just raises his voice a little and says something like "I had to winterize the yacht the other day, yeah, can't get her down to Florida/Bahamas this year" when someone gets close.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 19, 2019, 03:56:09 PM
Biden is trump without the need to be the most horrible person in the room.  :Yuck:

You know Joe is whispering racist and off color jokes at the shrimp cocktail bowl down at the club with all the other white guys.   One of Joe's buds just raises his voice a little and says something like "I had to winterize the yacht the other day, yeah, can't get her down to Florida/Bahamas this year" when someone gets close.

because he's an old AF white guy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 04:02:05 PM
Biden is trump without the need to be the most horrible person in the room.  :Yuck:

You know Joe is whispering racist and off color jokes at the shrimp cocktail bowl down at the club with all the other white guys.   One of Joe's buds just raises his voice a little and says something like "I had to winterize the yacht the other day, yeah, can't get her down to Florida/Bahamas this year" when someone gets close.

because he's an old AF white guy?

Only you guys get broad brushes?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
Dax sounds like he's describing his personal interactions in Alabama
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 04:25:02 PM
Dax sounds like he's describing his personal interactions in Alabama

I just won a $1, thanks.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2019, 04:33:26 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60157031/i-just-lost-a-buck-to-myself.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 04:37:24 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60157031/i-just-lost-a-buck-to-myself.jpg)

Wrong
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 19, 2019, 07:58:36 PM
Congrats on that $1, dax.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 19, 2019, 08:01:11 PM
Who is Nick Saban hugging?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 11:15:41 PM
? https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-buttigieg-campaign-trump-20190417-story.html?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 20, 2019, 07:31:57 AM
WTF Bernie supporters?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190420/514c8fb84494d45979d3bda0d7de7596.jpg)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2019/04/17/5-weird-items-in-the-new-bernie-buttigieg-poll/


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 20, 2019, 07:45:31 AM
Bernie and his supporters are the rough ridin' worst.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 20, 2019, 07:50:35 AM
Bernie and his supporters are the rough ridin' worst.

yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on April 20, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
Congrats on that $1, dax.

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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 20, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
Bernie and his supporters are the rough ridin' worst.

I’m pretty annoyed at the whole “Bernie bros” critique that’s come out so strong this go around, but that is a really really weird statistic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2019, 09:21:10 AM
Look up the number of Clinton supporters that voted for McCain instead of Obama. 26% is likely not the real number anyways, but it isn’t much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 20, 2019, 09:38:47 AM
Bernie voters suck because if they're not voting for Bernie, they stay home.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 20, 2019, 09:49:06 AM
Look up the number of Clinton supporters that voted for McCain instead of Obama. 26% is likely not the real number anyways, but it isn’t much.
A lot more similarities between Clinton and McCain than Sanders and Trump.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2019, 10:03:22 AM
Bernie voters suck because if they're not voting for Bernie, they stay home.

This is a feeling you have because it isn’t based on any data.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 20, 2019, 10:22:28 AM
Bernie voters suck because if they're not voting for Bernie, they stay home.

This is a feeling you have because it isn’t based on any data.

Quote
One out of every four Bernie Sanders supporters said they will not support Hillary Clinton in the general election

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 20, 2019, 10:27:03 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 20, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Pet peeve cross post: people who equate voting for someone other than R or D as “staying home”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2019, 02:46:44 PM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx)

https://web.archive.org/web/20081108082743/http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20081108082743/http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/)

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds (https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds)

To review. In 2008 Clinton and Obama had a primary that was, without question, much more nasty and lasted longer than Clinton/Sanders. In 2008, 28% of Clinton voters “said” they were going to vote for McCain and 15% (according to exit poll data, which is not super reliable) ultimately said they did.

In 2016, 25% of Sanders voters said they were going to vote for Trump and 10-12% did according to exit poll data.

The only difference I can figure is Obama won and Clinton lost.  I guess another difference is Clinton and all of her supporters are incapable of placing any blame on Clinton so have tried to scapegoat a long list of people but mostly Bernie. And since Sanders is running again he is the most visible scapegoat, so he must be destroyed.

Feel feee to correct me on what your actual claim is about how Bernie blew it for Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2019, 03:09:28 PM
Feel feee to correct me on what your actual claim is about how Bernie blew it for Hillary.

Quote
The only difference I can figure is Obama won and Clinton lost.

you kinda answered your own question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 20, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Guessing Kat Kid was a Bernie-Trumper
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
Feel feee to correct me on what your actual claim is about how Bernie blew it for Hillary.

Quote
The only difference I can figure is Obama won and Clinton lost.

you kinda answered your own question.

If he wants to run with that, then I won't waste my time with the rest of the discussion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2019, 09:17:58 PM
i mean, it's perfectly reasonable to think that bernie '16 supporters are trash and mumped over clinton and also think that clinton '08 supporters are trash but weren't able to eff over obama despite their best efforts.  and it's rational to have different emotional responses to those groups based upon outcome.


fwiw, most '08 clinton/mccain voters are now 'pubs (or dead).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 20, 2019, 11:33:46 PM
 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 20, 2019, 11:43:21 PM
I mean Hilary and the DNC literally rigged the primary so...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 20, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
The system was already rigged
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 21, 2019, 07:28:24 AM
It's hard for me to imagine someone who cares about the sorts of things that Sanders says he cares about not making it a super high priority to keep Trump out of office. It's also hard for me to imagine someone who votes for Sanders without caring about the sorts of things that Sanders says he cares about not being the rough ridin' worst.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 21, 2019, 01:53:16 PM
It's hard for me to imagine someone who cares about the sorts of things that Sanders says he cares about not making it a super high priority to keep Trump out of office. It's also hard for me to imagine someone who votes for Sanders without caring about the sorts of things that Sanders says he cares about not being the rough ridin' worst.

I don’t know what any of this means.  I obviously want to beat Trump.  I also care a lot about issues like Medicare 4 All and expanding the social services provided by the state to the poor and middle class.  I also don’t like the policies offered up by many of the other dems and would prefer someone like Warren or Sanders was nominated. If they aren’t I will still pull the lever (which won’t matter because I live in Kansas) but I don’t understand the desire to not have a primary about issues.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2019, 09:20:50 PM
I think we know who Vlad Putin will be pulling for.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/04/17/bernie-sanders-raises-bar-even-further-climate-vow-ban-fracking-all-new-fossil-fuel
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 11:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/adamkotsko/status/1120304379775549440?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
What a whiny dork


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 22, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Yeah, sorry your policy wonk isn't cool enough to be taken seriously, adam
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 22, 2019, 12:11:16 PM
Charisma matters, just ask Jeb Bush.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 12:12:49 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1120362349532200963
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Warren actually got a lot of press today
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 22, 2019, 12:17:38 PM
Warren should have run in 2016. She deserves to be punished this go around for bowing out to Hillary.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 22, 2019, 12:18:42 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1120362349532200963
I don’t really think Warren is particularly charismatic or likable, am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1120362349532200963
I don’t really think Warren is charismatic or likable, am I missing something?
I honestly don't know, she hasn't gotten much coverage
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 22, 2019, 12:19:30 PM
Will is just trying to fake it until she makes it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 12:23:56 PM
Lotta misogynists in here, smh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1120368802145996800
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 22, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Warren is like Bernie except for not being the rough ridin' worst.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 12:32:17 PM
Warren is like Bernie except for not being the rough ridin' worst.

Second worst.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 12:36:19 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1120362349532200963

this dorks over the top descriptors make me dislike warren even more. congrats will, you impossibly hulking giant of a dumbass.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
I am so incredibly intelligent

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 12:39:48 PM
Warren is like Bernie except for not being the rough ridin' worst.

you're going to vote for Bernie and like it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 22, 2019, 12:41:57 PM
she is the opposite of charming
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
Hahaha enraged
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 22, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1120362349532200963

this dorks over the top descriptors make me dislike warren even more. congrats will, you impossibly hulking giant of a dumbass.

Is Warren tough enough to be president tho?  The lack of an over-the-top descriptor in front of it makes me doubt.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 22, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 22, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
I love how Warren describes herself as a native American. She's probably the most charming of all candidates to me. I just want someone more moderate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 01:16:08 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeElk/status/1120390366950195201
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 01:18:21 PM
the "let's not glorify war" take is a little better

https://twitter.com/MikeElk/status/1120390712967802880
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 22, 2019, 01:26:41 PM
I'm shocked, he saw as much combat as Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 22, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
Yes, getting deployed overseas to a desk job is exactly the same as dodging the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 22, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
Yes, getting deployed overseas to a desk job is exactly the same as dodging the draft.

lol
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 22, 2019, 02:02:40 PM
the "let's not glorify war" take is a little better

https://twitter.com/MikeElk/status/1120390712967802880

Good point from Mr. “covered a war with only a pen in his pocket” tough guy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 22, 2019, 02:10:59 PM
Is that guy suggesting that he was never accompanied by armed soldiers or was never in a heavily fortified military base? He only had his pen for self defense and security?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
cool and patriotic: enlisting so you can buy a camero
lame and sad eagle: enlisting for political reasons
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
Fantastic username

https://twitter.com/Yelix/status/1120311694918586368?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
these people are like the socialist versions of the MAGA roseanne/tim allen fans when their shows got cancelled.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 22, 2019, 02:40:26 PM
Listening to music in the 90s is a pretty central platform issue if you're The Gen X Candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 22, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
Wasn’t sure where to put this.

https://twitter.com/saraqdavid/status/1120414930946207744?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
Wasn’t sure where to put this.

https://twitter.com/saraqdavid/status/1120414930946207744?s=21.


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LOL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 07:59:09 PM
Had to turn on some gerbil superhero movie starring Zach galafanakis but Warren was very good at the town hall.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on April 22, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
Had to turn on some gerbil superhero movie starring Zach galafanakis but Warren was very good at the town hall.

G-Force?!  :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 09:36:39 PM
Had to turn on some gerbil superhero movie starring Zach galafanakis but Warren was very good at the town hall.

G-Force?!  :excited:

that's the one!  I believe it is a coalition that includes a mole, and some other rodents, but the "G" stands for Guinea Pig.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1120524891072208896
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 22, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
I will not stand for the zealots of the Left cannibalizing Pete. But, go ahead and eat your best candidate, if you wish . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1120525251681693696
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:23:39 PM
like 90% of election twitter has been people whining about other people not liking warren.


i like wilkinson a lot when he's not slobbering all over warren though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 10:24:27 PM
Had to turn on some gerbil superhero movie starring Zach galafanakis but Warren was very good at the town hall.
She's very good. I mean, she would destroy Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 10:25:10 PM
like 90% of election twitter has been people whining about other people not liking warren.


i like wilkinson a lot when he's not slobbering all over warren though.
There's been a lot of Mayor Pete hate lately
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:25:24 PM
 :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:

https://twitter.com/DavidLauter/status/1120440021935427602

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:26:21 PM
There's been a lot of Mayor Pete hate lately

just the normal background noise level of hate, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 10:27:32 PM
Pete was the candidate that came out of the "what to do about Bernie?" meetings with Nancy, Chuck, Neera Tanden and some big democratic donor. 

He is the Terminator sent to destroy Bernie.  I think he'll be even less successful than Arnold, but let's not be coy about his mission.

https://splinternews.com/im-going-to-have-a-rage-stroke-over-this-story-about-de-1834076284 (https://splinternews.com/im-going-to-have-a-rage-stroke-over-this-story-about-de-1834076284)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 22, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
I actually thought Warren did a pretty good job. She's probably the most credible regarding substantive policy. But, promising student loan forgiveness seems like a cheap tactic. Maybe I'd feel differently, if it would allegedly apply to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
She's very good. I mean, she would destroy Trump

open evidence of trump flagrantly being very criminal hasn't destroyed trump, so i doubt if any of the democratic candidates are going to do it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 10:30:28 PM


She's very good. I mean, she would destroy Trump

open evidence of trump flagrantly being very criminal hasn't destroyed trump, so i doubt if any of the democratic candidates are going to do it.

Hillary was pretty close
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:33:19 PM
oh yeah, most of them can probably garner more votes than him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:34:40 PM
you should go see beto, michigancat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2019, 10:44:39 PM
This is not fair, but another reason I am very uneasy about Pete is he has an extremely John Currie energy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 22, 2019, 10:47:20 PM
Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 10:50:43 PM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 22, 2019, 10:52:30 PM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 22, 2019, 10:53:45 PM
no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though.

you're not going to be able to complain about iowans any more.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2019, 11:17:21 PM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.

I mean I think this is normal progression for a candidate? Like, he did well in a general sense and then people want to get a better idea of what he stands for in more detail. And then it's normal to react to that next step.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 22, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.

I mean I think this is normal progression for a candidate? Like, he did well in a general sense and then people want to get a better idea of what he stands for in more detail. And then it's normal to react to that next step.
He got 50 minutes of critical questions and then the final 10 minutes were softballs. Everyone else got at least 30-40 minutes of applause questions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 12:22:58 AM


you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.

I mean I think this is normal progression for a candidate? Like, he did well in a general sense and then people want to get a better idea of what he stands for in more detail. And then it's normal to react to that next step.
He got 50 minutes of critical questions and then the final 10 minutes were softballs. Everyone else got at least 30-40 minutes of applause questions.

I was referring to Twitter/media backlash, not the town hall. But I might watch it sometime.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 12:29:45 AM
He got 50 minutes of critical questions and then the final 10 minutes were softballs. Everyone else got at least 30-40 minutes of applause questions.

no idea if this is an accurate recounting, but if it is, that is to buttigieg's advantage.  no one is impressed by a candidate answering a layup question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 23, 2019, 05:46:17 AM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.
It’s mostly scared Bernie bros, and their candidate isn’t even a democrat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
Pete was the candidate that came out of the "what to do about Bernie?" meetings with Nancy, Chuck, Neera Tanden and some big democratic donor. 

He is the Terminator sent to destroy Bernie.  I think he'll be even less successful than Arnold, but let's not be coy about his mission.

https://splinternews.com/im-going-to-have-a-rage-stroke-over-this-story-about-de-1834076284 (https://splinternews.com/im-going-to-have-a-rage-stroke-over-this-story-about-de-1834076284)

lmao


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 23, 2019, 06:48:40 AM
Nothing but an opportunist trying to take advantage of the Democratic Party infrastructure. The Dem elites are right to to take him down now, and were right to do it in 2016.

He couldn’t even pretend to be a democrat outside of the presidential election cycle

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 07:58:52 AM
https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1120534968059486209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2019, 08:04:52 AM
How is there someone people are less interested in learning about than Bernie!?!?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 23, 2019, 08:50:40 AM
I’m guessing time of day had to do with it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
you should go see beto, michigancat.

no thanks. I might watch his town hall thing though

Why are the knives out re: Pete? Did his star burn too brightly too quickly?

He became a serious candidate
Why do the Dems eat their own? Sorry if I'm skeptical given the last presidential primary experience.
It’s mostly scared Bernie bros, and their candidate isn’t even a democrat.

lots of Warren fans upset with the amount of attention he was getting without any detailed policy proposals when that is one of her strengths.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 09:15:45 AM
Well, incessantly crying about it and claiming the fix is in are certainly two options they have. Shitty ones for sure, but both are available.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 09:20:15 AM
Nothing but an opportunist trying to take advantage of the Democratic Party infrastructure. The Dem elites are right to to take him down now, and were right to do it in 2016.

He couldn’t even pretend to be a democrat outside of the presidential election cycle

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bernie is the worst
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 23, 2019, 09:28:07 AM
https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1120522097808244738
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on April 23, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy proposals?  How can she not win?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 09:34:28 AM
Well, incessantly crying about it and claiming the fix is in are certainly two options they have. Shitty ones for sure, but both are available.


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lmao spracs was crying about mayor pete getting mean questions
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 23, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy procedures?  How can she not win?

Because of MEDIA :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 09:53:20 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy procedures?  How can she not win?

it's basically inevitable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
Well, incessantly crying about it and claiming the fix is in are certainly two options they have. Shitty ones for sure, but both are available.


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lmao spracs was crying about mayor pete getting mean questions

Seemed more like a compliment than a complaint.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 10:02:05 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy procedures?  How can she not win?

Because of MEDIA :curse:

also sexism
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 10:03:00 AM
they hate her because she's a broad
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on April 23, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
MAGA will try to pocahontas her into defeat. I'm not looking forward to the mean orange man and this election cycle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
MAGA will try to pocahontas her into defeat. I'm not looking forward to the mean orange man and this election cycle.

yeah they will find something similar for everyone
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
i was going to vote for warren, because of how she's charming as hell and also policies.  but then i checked on twitter and found out that the media hates her and america is biased against women.  so now i'm going to vote for an underqualified man undeservedly glorified by the media because i don't want to lose the general election.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1120507005859500032
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 23, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy procedures?  How can she not win?

Because of MEDIA :curse:

also sexism

Harris does not seem to be suffering as much from this despite worse policies and less charm.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 10:30:23 AM
So Warren is CHARMING AS HELL and has a knack for detailed policy procedures?  How can she not win?

Because of MEDIA :curse:

also sexism

Harris does not seem to be suffering as much from this despite worse policies and less charm.

well yeah she has the media helping her obviously
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2019, 10:35:07 AM
 :angry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 10:36:22 AM
kamala's also a friend of big banks and a cop so of course the establishment dems like her a lot more than liz, too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 23, 2019, 10:45:34 AM
Bernie bros calling Mayor Pete “Mayo Pete.”  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
Bernie bros calling Mayor Pete “Mayo Pete.”  :lol:

i think those are harris fans.  at least it started with harris people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
Good nickname


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 11:08:55 AM
lmao

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 23, 2019, 11:10:54 AM
tactical glasses  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 23, 2019, 11:15:30 AM
there is a good don't ask don't tell joke about why Pete is out in the middle of nowhere getting his picture taken but i'm no writer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2019, 11:19:30 AM
I bet there are some pretty sweet photos out there of Trump from when he served in Vietnam.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 23, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
I bet there are some pretty sweet photos out there of Trump from when he served in Vietnam.

lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 23, 2019, 11:25:00 AM
I'm sorry was it the Tonto Paronto Tac glasses crack that set you off?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
i was going to vote for warren, because of how she's charming as hell and also policies.  but then i checked on twitter and found out that the media hates her and america is biased against women.  so now i'm going to vote for an underqualified man undeservedly glorified by the media because i don't want to lose the general election.

I literally died :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 'taterblast on April 23, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
i am pro-Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
i was going to vote for warren, because of how she's charming as hell and also policies.  but then i checked on twitter and found out that the media hates her and america is biased against women.  so now i'm going to vote for an underqualified man undeservedly glorified by the media because i don't want to lose the general election.

I literally died :lol:

it was very good
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2019, 12:52:25 PM
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1120507005859500032
This poll says to me that the majority of the electorate hasn't really started paying attention to this election yet. Thots?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Had lunch with my mom yesterday and she is a Pete acolyte as well. Go Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2019, 01:07:28 PM
I'd 100% vote for Millennial Pete before I voted for a Baby Boomer, but never before Beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 01:42:28 PM
Thots?

nothing you can't get thought at you by a thousand voices on twitter.  biden and sanders are weak front runners.  buttigieg's rise is real.  last week's polls looked like buttigieg had taken support from harris.  this week's polls make it look more like it has come from beto.  either or neither could be true.  all variation (other than buttigieg's rise) is within margin of error.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
This poll says to me that the majority of the electorate hasn't really started paying attention to this election yet.

oh, on the majority of the electorate - i don't want to look for the tweet that said it, but i saw poll this morning that said that like 84% of the electorate was undecided in march and now it's 77% (77% i recall for sure, 84% is in the ballpark).  the 23% includes definitely decided and people with a favorite but still open.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on April 23, 2019, 02:02:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1120507005859500032
This poll says to me that the majority of the electorate hasn't really started paying attention to this election yet. Thots?

Definitely Harris, not sure about the others.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 02:13:11 PM
OC from my progressive politician friend!

Quote
The more Mayor Pete talks about real issues instead of his personal story, the more he shows himself to be just an unprepared mayor of a small town in Indiana.

California has 70 cities with more than 100,000 people (the population of South Bend) and you don't see the mayors of Elk Grove, Rancho Cucamonga, Fontana or Oxnard (all much bigger than South Bend) suddenly running for President.

You think small town Mayor Pete would get this far if he was a woman?

Let's not forget that even though Mayor Pete is gay, he's also a white Ivy League educated male.

Meanwhile Senator (not small town mayor) Elizabeth Warren is coming up with smart, realistic and progressive policy platforms every day that would solve real problems in our society and the media pays no attention to her.

:excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
"even though Mayor Pete is gay"

lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 23, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
why would the mayors of all cities over 100k suddenly run for president?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 02:40:11 PM
He needs to know his place and first run for >100k mayor, then the various steps after. Our Liz has spent an absolute shitload of time doing all those steps.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
 And then he'll be 70 by the time he runs for president and the preferred age of Democratic candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 23, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Mayor Pete is gaining popularity because he’s young and a good talker who comes off as very genuine. I’m sure a lot of people assume Bernie was popular because he promised free college and healthcare, but I think a lot of people were actually more like myself and liked him just because it was clear he sincerely believed in the issues he addressed and wasn’t trying to appease the masses or major lobbies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2019, 02:50:34 PM
And then he'll be 70 by the time he runs for president and the preferred age of Democratic candidates.

She has aged well I’ll give her that, I thought she was early 60’s.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
I agree she looks good for a 69 year old woman but she will 71 at the time she takes office.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 02:57:29 PM
She has aged well I’ll give her that.

100%.


also, i haven't spent much time on it, but my initial impression of sanders photos from this spring is that he got himself botoxed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 03:04:20 PM
And then he'll be 70 by the time he runs for president and the preferred age of Democratic candidates.

She has aged well I’ll give her that, I thought she was early 60’s.

holy smokes, didn't realize she was that old. "clean livin' liz" is what I'd call her if I was trump but just thought up fun and mildy mysoginistic names for my competition instead of gross/stupid ones.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 03:18:12 PM
She has aged well I’ll give her that.

100%.


also, i haven't spent much time on it, but my initial impression of sanders photos from this spring is that he got himself botoxed.

he is a millionaire, after all
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1120783402465054720
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 03:20:50 PM
he is a millionaire, after all

and a 77 year old man running for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 23, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
I don't think the anti-Tulsi policy is restricted to just MSM.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2019, 03:23:58 PM
Pete gained support organically and has only recently been getting any press. Tulsi and Liz should try that first part
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2019, 03:29:49 PM
Russia and Facebook are also good options
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2019, 04:02:14 PM
I like that Gabbard is like the MAGA of the Democratic Party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2019, 05:38:23 PM
I like that Gabbard is like the MAGA of the Democratic Party.

She’s bonkers


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 23, 2019, 05:45:25 PM
My first thought was who tf gets deployed to Maine? :(
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 23, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
https://twitter.com/freddiecampion/status/1120732173152034817?s=21

By far the worst Pete policy position.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
 :excited:

https://twitter.com/ksusys/status/1120869336330096646
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 10:24:14 PM
:excited:

https://twitter.com/ksusys/status/1120869336330096646
Lol you didn't say you'd be there! And no I still won't go but I'm more likely to than I would have otherwise
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 10:49:42 PM
i only just decided.  they're supposed to have an event in the valley, but it'll be monday and they haven't released a time and place yet.  if the valley event(s?) ends up being something i can get to without missing work, i'll go to it instead.

you should definitely go, though.  why even live in the bay area if you aren't going to take advantage.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
Does signing up guarantee entry? Or do you have to stand in line all day?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2019, 11:29:55 PM
i only just decided.  they're supposed to have an event in the valley, but it'll be monday and they haven't released a time and place yet.  if the valley event(s?) ends up being something i can get to without missing work, i'll go to it instead.

you should definitely go, though.  why even live in the bay area if you aren't going to take advantage.
Also it's by the zoo. WTF. Wake me up when he comes to Oakland. :zzz:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 11:30:45 PM
Does signing up guarantee entry? Or do you have to stand in line all day?

i'm not completely sure how it works, but i think that signing up just gives them an idea of how many people to expect.  so they can rebook to a larger or smaller venue as necessary.

i think getting in is just first come, first served.  but i don't really know.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 11:31:34 PM
good lord, michigancat.  at the very least, take your children to the zoo. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 12:24:56 AM
good lord, michigancat.  at the very least, take your children to the zoo.
I will take them to the Oakland zoo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 24, 2019, 12:53:02 PM
This has the neo-lib rino flavors I crave!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1121104024944693249?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
That's no surprise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 05:46:04 PM
https://twitter.com/behindyourback/status/1120837665052680193?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 06:09:07 PM
Liberals annoy me as much as conservatives these days. If a candidate doesn’t check every box then they’re garbage.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 24, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
I love it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
Liberals annoy me as much as conservatives these days. If a candidate doesn’t check every box then they’re garbage.


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I don't think that's what's happening with Mayo Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
what do you think is happening?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 24, 2019, 07:33:36 PM
They are so jelz
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 07:38:34 PM
what do you think is happening?

He's performing well without even having a policy page on his website and if he is pressed on any issue he seems to be about the furthest right candidate in the field (except Biden and maybe Kloubachar).

And yes people are definitely jealous
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 07:45:34 PM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 07:47:22 PM
i'm not sure i'm deciphering your comment correctly.  you're saying that some people decided they liked him, or at least found him interesting, but are now finding out that he is more conservative than they assumed and are losing interest?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 08:17:03 PM
They act like he has an obligation to be uber-liberal because he’s gay.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
I really like that Pete was the only one with the balls to say, "Yeah, uh, nope" when asked that stupid Boston Bomber voting question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 08:29:53 PM


i'm not sure i'm deciphering your comment correctly.  you're saying that some people decided they liked him, or at least found him interesting, but are now finding out that he is more conservative than they assumed and are losing interest?

Yeah, I think many had an initial favorable impression that faded when they learned more about him. There's also people who never liked him that are lashing out because he's doing as well as he is compared to their preferred candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 08:31:13 PM
I really like that Pete was the only one with the balls to say, "Yeah, uh, nope" when asked that stupid Boston Bomber voting question.
Overall I don't think Bernie did too well but it took a lot more balls to answer "yes" to that question imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 24, 2019, 08:33:51 PM
I really like that Pete was the only one with the balls to say, "Yeah, uh, nope" when asked that stupid Boston Bomber voting question.
Overall I don't think Bernie did too well but it took a lot more balls to answer "yes" to that question imo.
Thots on Kamala's response?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 08:35:22 PM
I really like that Pete was the only one with the balls to say, "Yeah, uh, nope" when asked that stupid Boston Bomber voting question.
Overall I don't think Bernie did too well but it took a lot more balls to answer "yes" to that question imo.

political courage is doing something your supporters won't like.  i think it's pretty balanced, but i'd say that sanders' answer was slightly more courageous and buttigieg's was slightly more advantageous.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 08:38:19 PM
Yeah, I think many had an initial favorable impression that faded when they learned more about him. There's also people who never liked him that are lashing out because he's doing as well as he is compared to their preferred candidate.

i think, at least as far as twitter goes, it's almost a given that any criticism of a candidate is being delivered by individuals that support a different candidate.  but you can still evaluate whether that criticism strikes a valid mark or not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 08:40:00 PM
I really like that Pete was the only one with the balls to say, "Yeah, uh, nope" when asked that stupid Boston Bomber voting question.
Overall I don't think Bernie did too well but it took a lot more balls to answer "yes" to that question imo.
Thots on Kamala's response?
I mean it  was definitely the laziest/safest of the three. I didn't watch much of her, I really only saw that clip
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
Yeah, I think many had an initial favorable impression that faded when they learned more about him. There's also people who never liked him that are lashing out because he's doing as well as he is compared to their preferred candidate.

i think, at least as far as twitter goes, it's almost a given that any criticism of a candidate is being delivered by individuals that support a different candidate.  but you can still evaluate whether that criticism strikes a valid mark or not.
Yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 08:54:15 PM
Letting convicts vote while incarcerated is probably one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.  Right up there with letting 16 year olds vote.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 09:07:05 PM
Letting convicts vote while incarcerated is probably one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.  Right up there with letting 16 year olds vote.


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It's not that bad

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/prisoners-convicts-felons-inmates-right-to-vote-enfranchise-criminal-justice-voting-rights-213979

TIL prisoners count in the census for population of census districts in some states (but then aren't allowed to vote). That's pretty crazy!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:07:17 PM
i think i agree with sanders myself, although i can live with beto's version.


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121146176894590976
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:08:31 PM
they're citizens.  they're more dependent on government than basically anyone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:10:28 PM
TIL prisoners count in the census for population of census districts in some states (but then aren't allowed to vote). That's pretty crazy!

it is pretty perverse that people leaving near prisons have a greater voice than other citizens do.  kinda 3/5thy, tbh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 09:11:32 PM
i think i agree with sanders myself, although i can live with beto's version.


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121146176894590976
Pretty good non-answer. It's an interesting discussion that kind of leads to questioning what the goal of incarceration is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
it's very weird that you perceive that to be a non-answer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 24, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
Letting convicts vote while incarcerated is probably one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.  Right up there with letting 16 year olds vote.


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It's not that bad

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/prisoners-convicts-felons-inmates-right-to-vote-enfranchise-criminal-justice-voting-rights-213979

TIL prisoners count in the census for population of census districts in some states (but then aren't allowed to vote). That's pretty crazy!
It’s ridiculous. I’m all for them having their voting rights restored as soon as they’re released.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 09:34:56 PM
it's very weird that you perceive that to be a non-answer.

Maybe I should have called it non committal. "I would think that we should rethink removing voting rights" could also just be considered to be really shitty editing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 09:37:11 PM


Letting convicts vote while incarcerated is probably one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.  Right up there with letting 16 year olds vote.


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It's not that bad

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/prisoners-convicts-felons-inmates-right-to-vote-enfranchise-criminal-justice-voting-rights-213979

TIL prisoners count in the census for population of census districts in some states (but then aren't allowed to vote). That's pretty crazy!
It’s ridiculous. I’m all for them having their voting rights restored as soon as they’re released.


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"It's dumb" and "it's ridiculous" aren't very compelling counterarguments
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:47:44 PM
it's very weird that you perceive that to be a non-answer.

Maybe I should have called it non committal. "I would think that we should rethink removing voting rights" could also just be considered to be really shitty editing

he said yes for non-violent felons voting, no for violent felons voting.  hope that helps.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 09:48:27 PM
"It's dumb" and "it's ridiculous" aren't very compelling counterarguments

i agree.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
it's very weird that you perceive that to be a non-answer.

Maybe I should have called it non committal. "I would think that we should rethink removing voting rights" could also just be considered to be really shitty editing

he said yes for non-violent felons voting, no for violent felons voting.  hope that helps.
More like a "maybe" for non-violent and "probably not" for violent
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 10:12:34 PM
 :rolleyes:

i mean, these are basically state decisions (dunno the numbers but the huge, huge majority of prisoners are state, not federal, and afaik, as long is compliant with federal constitution, the state has oversight over voting).  the president has no direct role in this policy, it's just a question of what do you believe with no policy consequence whatsoever.  he stated what he believes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 10:50:38 PM
pretty good, on buttigieg.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/magazine/pete-buttigieg-smart-harvard-rhodes-scholar-norwegian-language.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 11:24:20 PM
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1121250269889744896
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2019, 12:16:27 AM
pretty good, on buttigieg.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/magazine/pete-buttigieg-smart-harvard-rhodes-scholar-norwegian-language.html

I really don't care what any of these erudite people have to say about Pete's eruditeness.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 12:18:27 AM
i mean, it's perfectly reasonable to think that bernie '16 supporters are trash and mumped over clinton and also think that clinton '08 supporters are trash but weren't able to eff over obama despite their best efforts.  and it's rational to have different emotional responses to those groups based upon outcome.


fwiw, most '08 clinton/mccain voters are now 'pubs (or dead).

I think there a measurable number of Bernie primary voters who weren't democrats, those people, ME, didn't screw Hillary at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 12:34:47 AM
yeah.  i don't want to look for it, but i just saw a tweet that mentioned that 16% of sanders primary voters in south carolina were 'pubs.  no surprise that most of those would vote trump in the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 01:20:20 AM
https://twitter.com/behindyourback/status/1120837665052680193?s=19

That's perfect
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 01:27:04 AM
They act like he has an obligation to be uber-liberal because he’s gay.


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Or in a field of 20 candidates a party of liberals are finding out they aren't enamored with a moderate the more they find out about him.

I love that this thread has turned into several moderate Republicans outraged that liberals aren't willing to throw away their convictions before the primaries even start because they are stuck with a dumb crap, pathological lying, psychopath as their representative. I can't wait to see the outrage when the democrats collectively crap all over Joe W. Obiden-Clinton and he gets Jeb'd out of the primaries.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 01:31:43 AM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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For some people it's a big deal, for me it's a deal breaker. My great grandmother, the only great parent I ever knew, her house, neighborhood, and many childhood memories for me were razed in gentrification for Bricktown in okc. I can't take my kids to the place I spent a lot of time at and, made many memories. White people, for the most part, don't have to worry about that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 01:44:11 AM
So my journey has taken me to where I should have been in the first place. Warren's support of Ilhan Omar, her unapologetic progressive agenda, and her well stated plan on paying for student loan forgiveness, I'm team Liz and I ain't leaving. I'll probably support the Democratic candidate no matter what unless it's Biden. Trump is winning Iowa in the general anyway, so who cares if I vote green or independent?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2019, 01:44:51 AM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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For some people it's a big deal, for me it's a deal breaker. My great grandmother, the only great parent I ever knew, her house, neighborhood, and many childhood memories for me were razed in gentrification for Bricktown in okc. I can't take my kids to the place I spent a lot of time at and, made many memories. White people, for the most part, don't have to worry about that

That's an interesting take.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 01:52:08 AM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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For some people it's a big deal, for me it's a deal breaker. My great grandmother, the only great parent I ever knew, her house, neighborhood, and many childhood memories for me were razed in gentrification for Bricktown in okc. I can't take my kids to the place I spent a lot of time at and, made many memories. White people, for the most part, don't have to worry about that

That's an interesting take.

lol, glad I could help. I couldn't give two shits about what king white bread thinks about my personal view of gentrification.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2019, 02:04:08 AM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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For some people it's a big deal, for me it's a deal breaker. My great grandmother, the only great parent I ever knew, her house, neighborhood, and many childhood memories for me were razed in gentrification for Bricktown in okc. I can't take my kids to the place I spent a lot of time at and, made many memories. White people, for the most part, don't have to worry about that

That's an interesting take.

lol, glad I could help. I couldn't give two shits about what king white bread thinks about my personal view of gentrification.
You are of course entitled to your personal views of whatever. Your comment just made me reflect on the current appearance of the various stomping grounds of my youth, and it made me wistful. That reflection made me realize I have no control over the economic forces that shape the various places I have lived, though they remain in my memory and dreams in a special sheen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2019, 02:19:26 AM
Here's a thread!

https://twitter.com/riotarchitect/status/1120014240566468608
If you don’t actually click on the links in that thread it looks pretty bad for Pete but the articles themselves are not that damning.  Two of the articles are about supporting the gentrification of South Bend. The horror.


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For some people it's a big deal, for me it's a deal breaker. My great grandmother, the only great parent I ever knew, her house, neighborhood, and many childhood memories for me were razed in gentrification for Bricktown in okc. I can't take my kids to the place I spent a lot of time at and, made many memories. White people, for the most part, don't have to worry about that

That's an interesting take.

lol, glad I could help. I couldn't give two shits about what king white bread thinks about my personal view of gentrification.
You are of course entitled to your personal views of whatever. Your comment just made me reflect on the current appearance of the various stomping grounds of my youth, and it made me wistful. That reflection made me realize I have no control over the economic forces that shape the various places I have lived, though they remain in my memory and dreams in a special sheen.

I'm sure you have loads of relevant experience in having your friends and families entire neighborhood knocked down for a fake river, a Dave and Busters, and some condos, only to not have affordable housing put in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2019, 02:27:48 AM
I wish. Dave & Buster's is amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 07:16:22 AM
They act like he has an obligation to be uber-liberal because he’s gay.


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Or in a field of 20 candidates a party of liberals are finding out they aren't enamored with a moderate the more they find out about him.

I love that this thread has turned into several moderate Republicans outraged that liberals aren't willing to throw away their convictions before the primaries even start because they are stuck with a dumb crap, pathological lying, psychopath as their representative. I can't wait to see the outrage when the democrats collectively crap all over Joe W. Obiden-Clinton and he gets Jeb'd out of the primaries.

I assume this is @ spracne and myself? If so I don’t feel outraged.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 25, 2019, 07:51:29 AM
I don't have experience with my family and friends old homes being knocked down and replaced by new developments but I'm sure that most in the area would benefit from some type of economic infusion into their community.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 25, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
They act like he has an obligation to be uber-liberal because he’s gay.


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Or in a field of 20 candidates a party of liberals are finding out they aren't enamored with a moderate the more they find out about him.

I love that this thread has turned into several moderate Republicans outraged that liberals aren't willing to throw away their convictions before the primaries even start because they are stuck with a dumb crap, pathological lying, psychopath as their representative. I can't wait to see the outrage when the democrats collectively crap all over Joe W. Obiden-Clinton and he gets Jeb'd out of the primaries.

I assume this is @ spracne and myself? If so I don’t feel outraged.


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It can't be about me, I'm not Republican.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 07:56:20 AM
LOL

https://twitter.com/just_jenna/status/1121389955656372224?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2019, 07:59:44 AM
What about when the feds show up and tell you to leave or eventually drown?   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 08:18:29 AM
https://twitter.com/laurenoyler/status/1121371567093682176?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 25, 2019, 08:33:01 AM
that is just a phil titola post
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 25, 2019, 08:33:20 AM
MAGA (D)

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1121395797080387585

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Phil Titola on April 25, 2019, 09:25:10 AM
that is just a phil titola post

I have not once opened this thread till today and I come on see my name being besmirched. I'll have you know I've broken myself of the ... habit thank you very much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 09:43:53 AM
the biden argument in one kickass graph.  also, it seems like seth moulton officially entered the race and i didn't notice till now.  so we're at 20 candidates.   :cool:

https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1121077175019556870
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
the biden argument in one kickass graph.  also, it seems like seth moulton officially entered the race and i didn't notice till now.  so we're at 20 candidates.   :cool:

https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1121077175019556870

538 had a similar chart, and the tweets made me think of what's going on with the moderate republicans ITT

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1121410113577811969

https://twitter.com/RyanDEnos/status/1121420170944110596

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1121427910815039488
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 25, 2019, 10:06:03 AM
What a bunch of Nancy negs having 0% conference in the candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 10:25:42 AM
the 538 graph left off warren?  she's probably the most interesting one, along with buttigieg, for electability, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
I think that Warren is the least likely of the candidates to beat Trump. A lot of people just don't like her. I think any of the democrats easily win the popular vote and probably win the election, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 10:30:25 AM
Yeah, she and Bernie are pretty polarizing. But so was trump and he won.


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 10:30:46 AM
Catch me in the middle with my medium gang


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 10:34:40 AM
buttigieg would also be pretty low, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 25, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
These graphs are starting to get ridic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
i was going to get my first 2020 bet in last week, but i got lazy and didn't get to it.  now biden has jumped way up.  hopefully i can catch him in trough in a bit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 10:50:25 AM
the 538 graph left off warren?  she's probably the most interesting one, along with buttigieg, for electability, imo.
She was last if you click through
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
I also think liz will be way less polarizing the more people hear her speak
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
I also think liz will be way less polarizing the more people hear her speak

her voice/accent is annoying.  i think that is a big part of her electability perception.  on the plus side, she looks very good and seems younger than she is.  of the women (legit contenders only) in the race, i think she has the most electable appearance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 11:01:12 AM


I also think liz will be way less polarizing the more people hear her speak

her voice/accent is annoying.  i think that is a big part of her electability perception.  on the plus side, she looks very good and seems younger than she is.  of the women (legit contenders only) in the race, i think she has the most electable appearance.

She's folksy! As a Kansan, I'm offended that you think a slight Oklahoma twang is annoying. You should be ashamed of yourself
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
Damn Feinstein endorsed Biden???

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1121444918185082880?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
(I know the ideological stance makes sense but Harris isn't wildly different compared to Biden)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1121431543686340608
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
You people better get on the Biden/Abrams train before it leaves the station.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
lol.

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1121432362712227841
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 01:10:03 PM
VERBAL NUKE!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
unlike almost all endorsements, this one matters, i think.  nevada is stealth a super important state.  harris and sanders both seem to think it is the key to them winning.  beto's campaign hasn't given that indication yet, but they should, because it is.

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1121425423861211137
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 01:37:57 PM
oh.  maybe not as important as i thought then.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1121426951002972161
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 01:44:30 PM
TOO WONKY! unsubscribe


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on April 25, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
https://therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/michael-avenatti-joe-biden-endorsement.jpg

This is pretty important I think?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on April 25, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
Team Biden now.

4 years, reset button

Maybe Mayor Pete can be VP

I think Biden is the only one who is smug enough to outsmug trump on the trail.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Team Biden now.

4 years, reset button

Maybe Mayor Pete can be VP

I think Biden is the only one who is smug enough to outsmug trump on the trail.



I disagree with the notion that you need to be a white male shitbag to beat trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 02:13:44 PM
I would honestly rather not vote for anyone over age 40, which is where most of Pete's appeal comes from.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
Team Biden now.

4 years, reset button

Maybe Mayor Pete can be VP

I think Biden is the only one who is smug enough to outsmug trump on the trail.



I disagree with the notion that you need to be a white male shitbag to beat trump

Nobody:
Liz Fans: OH, YOU LIKE MEN?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 25, 2019, 02:59:41 PM
Team Biden now.

4 years, reset button

Maybe Mayor Pete can be VP

I think Biden is the only one who is smug enough to outsmug trump on the trail.



I disagree with the notion that you need to be a white male shitbag to beat trump
No one said anything about white males, weirdo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 03:03:20 PM
Team Biden now.

4 years, reset button

Maybe Mayor Pete can be VP

I think Biden is the only one who is smug enough to outsmug trump on the trail.



I disagree with the notion that you need to be a white male shitbag to beat trump
No one said anything about white males, weirdo

no way in hell anyone would claim that a non-white male could find success with acting smug in a presidential campaign
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 03:03:46 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/jpbrammer/status/1121422528373755914?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 25, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
Pick this font here. It's cursive-y like The Constitution!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 03:12:49 PM
i really like the idea that his campaign message is the declaration of independence.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
i really like the idea that his campaign message is the declaration of independence.

he also came out strong against nazis
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
i think it's ok.   :dunno:

https://thebulwark.com/joe-bidens-high-crimes-against-logo-design/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 25, 2019, 03:24:52 PM
Oh hell yes
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
He makes me so hot


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
Damn, I’m so horny for these middle of the road solutions.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
He makes me so hot


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his advanced age lets you know he's "experienced" :fatty:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on April 25, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
He can squeeze my shoulders any time

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 25, 2019, 03:50:25 PM
Oh hell yes
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oh my
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 04:12:55 PM
I’m super randy (old/uk person word) for it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Joe Biden:  An old White Neo-Con most of LibDerp Nation can get behind

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 04:39:14 PM

Yeah, just quote my tweet dax


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 04:47:15 PM
Liz would be 71 upon taking office. Why would anyone vote for someone that old to be president of the United States?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2019, 04:48:36 PM

Yeah, just quote my tweet dax


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I don't read all your tweets SD and besides, I've been on the Joe NeoCon shtick for years.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 25, 2019, 05:04:34 PM
You still going Joe over trump dax?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 05:04:37 PM

Yeah, just quote my tweet dax


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I don't read all your tweets SD and besides, I've been on the Joe NeoCon shtick for years.

Be more positive about him bruh!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
You still going Joe over trump dax?

Is Joe gonna just play the game or is he gonna sell out to LibDerp Whack-A-Doo Nation?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 25, 2019, 05:09:00 PM
You still going Joe over trump dax?

Is Joe gonna just play the game or is he gonna sell out to LibDerp Whack-A-Doo Nation?



I have no idea what this means
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 25, 2019, 05:10:48 PM
Joe Biden:  An old White Neo-Con most of LibDerp Nation can get behind



His siren song draws me in but I’m sticking to my guns and saying no.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2019, 06:59:09 PM
Dax, yes


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on April 25, 2019, 07:03:26 PM
finally a republican that dems can get behind
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 25, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1121590229792485376
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 25, 2019, 11:37:09 PM
lmao

Trump says he is rooting for mayor Pete, but sadly he's not going to make it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 11:42:07 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1121590229792485376

that's a great tweet by Yang
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 26, 2019, 01:41:43 AM
the biden argument in one kickass graph.  also, it seems like seth moulton officially entered the race and i didn't notice till now.  so we're at 20 candidates.   :cool:

https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1121077175019556870

538 had a similar chart, and the tweets made me think of what's going on with the moderate republicans ITT

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1121410113577811969

https://twitter.com/RyanDEnos/status/1121420170944110596

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1121427910815039488

All of that is far too much analysis of numbers that have no consequence at this point. All of these people are 100% aware of what the history of candidates who are "leading" nine months before the first caucus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 26, 2019, 01:46:50 AM
I think that Warren is the least likely of the candidates to beat Trump. A lot of people just don't like her.

That's patently untrue, 95% of the electorate don't know her. The people who don't like her, especially compared to the rough ridin' cheeto, wouldn't vote for any Democrat. There isn't a liberal in this country who doesn't like her. The Warren takes itt have been lazy as eff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 26, 2019, 01:56:01 AM
Liz would be 71 upon taking office. Why would anyone vote for someone that old to be president of the United States?

I think you have an unbalanced amount of animus towards Warren, we should figure out why you're so put off by this woman. She's one of several liberals, she isn't the youngest or oldest, she's polling 5th at best. What's your deal?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on April 26, 2019, 07:54:29 AM
Not a good look if you're courting the worker / union vote.

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1121542813743767553
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 26, 2019, 08:13:28 AM
Liz would be 71 upon taking office. Why would anyone vote for someone that old to be president of the United States?

I think you have an unbalanced amount of animus towards Warren, we should figure out why you're so put off by this woman. She's one of several liberals, she isn't the youngest or oldest, she's polling 5th at best. What's your deal?

I like Warren. I just don't like the idea of voting for someone over age 70 to a 4 year term. And lots of people really don't like her, whether it's for the native American claims (I love this about her, personally), her policy positions being too far left, or whatever. Lots of people didn't like Hillary, and now we have President Donald Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 08:28:29 AM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
i'm not sure these data are great arguments for sanders and klobuchar's electability, but i do think they're pretty good evidence that warren has electability concerns.

i'm kinda halfway either way on harris/booker.


https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1121427976078483456
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 26, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed

Meanwhile, the suspicion that his candidacy is an anachronism makes it an extreme test-case for the Democrats’ biggest dilemma: how to reconcile the ideological purity demanded by an activist wing increasingly dedicated to racial, gender and sexual equality, with the real world of muddy compromises and more mixed social attitudes.

No way in hell Joe "Ray-Bans" Biden is LibDerp Whack-a-Doo enough for the new LibDerp Nation.    Unless it turns as I expect, that most of LibDerp Whack-A-Doo nation is what they are because Hillary lost, and as soon as anyone with (D) next to their name is in office, they'll fall back in line like the good little Brownshirts that they are . . . fully down with Washington business as usual:  As long as a Democrat is President.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 11:34:45 AM
Or they are in general more moderate than the news cycle suggests


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on April 26, 2019, 12:07:12 PM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed

Meanwhile, the suspicion that his candidacy is an anachronism makes it an extreme test-case for the Democrats’ biggest dilemma: how to reconcile the ideological purity demanded by an activist wing increasingly dedicated to racial, gender and sexual equality, with the real world of muddy compromises and more mixed social attitudes.

No way in hell Joe "Ray-Bans" Biden is LibDerp Whack-a-Doo enough for the new LibDerp Nation.    Unless it turns as I expect, that most of LibDerp Whack-A-Doo nation is what they are because Hillary lost, and as soon as anyone with (D) next to their name is in office, they'll fall back in line like the good little Brownshirts that they are . . . fully down with Washington business as usual:  As long as a Democrat is President.

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 01:42:38 PM
good fundraising numbers for biden.  higher % of the money from large donors than for beto and sanders 1st day numbers, but that was expected.  97k is still an impressive number of donors for an establishment campaign without access to a fresh list.

https://twitter.com/CNNValentine/status/1121842704084811778
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
“And folks” lmao. Peak Biden.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 02:03:42 PM
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1121850778036129792
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 26, 2019, 02:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1121850778036129792
Damn Biden seems to be getting quite an Obama boost. Also looks like his shoulder rubs won't matter much
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 26, 2019, 02:26:54 PM
Nevermind about waiting in line all day.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121855715780354048
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 26, 2019, 02:28:07 PM
Like, just show up two minutes beforehand. Or fashionably late.

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1121855507889827840
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 02:35:06 PM
his advance team mumped that up, big time.  i also think they're overdoing it with university events - his polls don't suggest his support skews young.  but they've yet to ask me for advice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 03:14:34 PM
lmao, we heckled the crap out of them for being a commuter school at Vegas pak


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
Yeah, nobody that age GAF about Beto. He should concentrate on his mini van driving orange theory going base.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 26, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
lmao, we heckled the crap out of them for being a commuter school at Vegas pak

 :emawkid:


Yeah, nobody that age GAF about Beto. He should concentrate on his mini van driving orange theory going base.

And Baylor hoops fans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 26, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
good fundraising numbers for biden.  higher % of the money from large donors than for beto and sanders 1st day numbers, but that was expected.  97k is still an impressive number of donors for an establishment campaign without access to a fresh list.

https://twitter.com/CNNValentine/status/1121842704084811778

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-2016-fundraising-11-million-in-16-days-119908 (https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-2016-fundraising-11-million-in-16-days-119908)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 06:01:08 PM
clinton also raised a lot of money from large donors.  she won, iirc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 26, 2019, 06:08:30 PM
clinton also raised a lot of money from large donors.  she won, iirc.

I don't know that Biden won't win. He certainly could just go ahead and lead the thing the whole way and win it. But there are more similarities to the Republican field of '16 and Biden than Clinton vs. what was supposed to be a completely token opposition and almost being disliked enough to lose to Bernie and then getting her ass kicked by Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 06:19:49 PM
there are some pretty important differences between biden and jeb too.  biden is much more popular with dems than jeb was with pubs in 2015.  and by 2015 gwb was pretty unpopular w pubs, while obama is still v popular w. dems.  tea party/house freedom caucus voters were a bigger share of 'pubs than dsa/justice dems are of dems, etc.


oth, jeb wasn't a super old man.  if biden loses (and i think his chances of winning are well under 50%), i think it will be because voters decide he's  too old, not because they reject him politically.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 26, 2019, 06:25:54 PM
i'm not sure these data are great arguments for sanders and klobuchar's electability, but i do think they're pretty good evidence that warren has electability concerns.

i'm kinda halfway either way on harris/booker.


https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1121427976078483456

1. Again, it's April, of 2019
2. She won 60% of the vote in Massachusetts, 6 months ago. The same percentage Hillary got in 2016. The junior senator got 62% of the vote in 2014. Least anyone think statewide elections in Massachusetts are layups for democrats, they currently have a two term Republican governor and Warren unseated an incumbent republican governor.

There is far more compelling evidence that she's just as popular in Massachusetts than she's ever been.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 06:32:26 PM
i don't think outperforming your state lean is everything.  like, manchin outperforms his state lean by more than any democrat anywhere and no one thinks that means he's the most electable democrat nationally.

still, i don't think it means nothing either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 26, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
i don't think outperforming your state lean is everything.  like, manchin outperforms his state lean by more than any democrat anywhere and no one thinks that means he's the most electable democrat nationally.

still, i don't think it means nothing either.
Great point, Beto

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 06:57:15 PM
no idea what that is supposed to mean.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 26, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
It means everything, but also nothing . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 26, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1121943259196956672
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 09:08:39 PM
same question, different reporter.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121943366604742656
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 26, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1121850778036129792
Damn Biden seems to be getting quite an Obama boost. Also looks like his shoulder rubs won't matter much
Trump has lowered the bar for inappropriate behavior.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 26, 2019, 10:08:23 PM
same question, different reporter.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121943366604742656
Both versions are bad
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 26, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
what is bad about his answer?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 27, 2019, 07:57:04 AM
https://twitter.com/chueyburns/status/1121151951763202048?s=21

This is really bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 27, 2019, 08:10:28 AM
a lot of her proposals are pretty stupid.  people just seem to be excited that she generates them at a prodigious rate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
https://twitter.com/chueyburns/status/1121151951763202048?s=21

This is really bad.

Really really bad


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 08:25:20 AM
what is bad about his answer?
I was definitely doing a lot of projection but it sounds like not letting people use SNAP to buy unhealthy foods. Which is bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 08:28:57 AM
https://twitter.com/chueyburns/status/1121151951763202048?s=21

This is really bad.

Really really bad


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Definitely not good. She should just quietly remove all mention of it and never speak if it again and everyone will forget about it in time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 09:07:05 AM
I think in general, it doesn't seem like Warren has a very good campaign team. Her campaign launch was crappy, her website sucks, and she could probably just have ridden the wave of the student loan debt policy and speak about everything else in a non-specific manner. Plus they've allowed so many folks to believe she's unlikeable which is pretty absurd.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
It’s so unfathomable that people think the person I like is unlikeable!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 27, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
what is bad about his answer?
I was definitely doing a lot of projection but it sounds like not letting people use SNAP to buy unhealthy foods. Which is bad.

What is bad about it? I mean, I have come around to the idea that straight cash is the most efficient use of the government’s money, but if you are gonna have a program where you allow some things and not others, why not cut out the junk?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 27, 2019, 09:19:37 AM
what is bad about his answer?
I was definitely doing a lot of projection but it sounds like not letting people use SNAP to buy unhealthy foods. Which is bad.

yeah, i agree that that would be bad.  i hope that wasn't what he said, but it might have been.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 27, 2019, 09:22:35 AM
I think in general, it doesn't seem like Warren has a very good campaign team. Her campaign launch was crappy, her website sucks, and she could probably just have ridden the wave of the student loan debt policy and speak about everything else in a non-specific manner. Plus they've allowed so many folks to believe she's unlikeable which is pretty absurd.

she was floundering until they decided to brand her as elizabeth "i have a plan for that" warren, the ideas candidate.  i don't think it's a great strategy, but it's working a lot better than what she was doing before.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
It’s so unfathomable that people think the person I like is unlikeable!


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Ha! But seriously a lot of people were surprised by her performance in the cnn town hall and she the people event, including myself and our Republican friend dLew12. I can totally see why people thought Hillary was uptight, unnatural and awkward (or unlikeable) but you didn't seem to hear that narrative about her as much as you have about Warren, who in my opinion is much more naturally warm and friendly and is a better speaker in general.

FWIW I also think Mayor Pete is extremely likeable. He's also gay!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 09:59:46 AM
I think in general, it doesn't seem like Warren has a very good campaign team. Her campaign launch was crappy, her website sucks, and she could probably just have ridden the wave of the student loan debt policy and speak about everything else in a non-specific manner. Plus they've allowed so many folks to believe she's unlikeable which is pretty absurd.

she was floundering until they decided to brand her as elizabeth "i have a plan for that" warren, the ideas candidate.  i don't think it's a great strategy, but it's working a lot better than what she was doing before.
The college plan announcement the same day as the town hall was well timed. May have been dumb luck though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on April 27, 2019, 10:19:14 AM
It’s so unfathomable that people think the person I like is unlikeable!


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Ha! But seriously a lot of people were surprised by her performance in the cnn town hall and she the people event, including myself and our Republican friend dLew12. I can totally see why people thought Hillary was uptight, unnatural and awkward (or unlikeable) but you didn't seem to hear that narrative about her as much as you have about Warren, who in my opinion is much more naturally warm and friendly and is a better speaker in general.

FWIW I also think Mayor Pete is extremely likeable. He's also gay!
Yeah, Liz is someone I could have a nice conversation with, even we disagree on just about everything. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 27, 2019, 10:23:32 AM
It’s so unfathomable that people think the person I like is unlikeable!


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Ha! But seriously a lot of people were surprised by her performance in the cnn town hall and she the people event, including myself and our Republican friend dLew12. I can totally see why people thought Hillary was uptight, unnatural and awkward (or unlikeable) but you didn't seem to hear that narrative about her as much as you have about Warren, who in my opinion is much more naturally warm and friendly and is a better speaker in general.

FWIW I also think Mayor Pete is extremely likeable. He's also gay!
Yeah, Liz is someone I could have a nice conversation with, even we disagree on just about everything.
Would you vote for Trump over Warren?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2019, 10:49:29 AM
https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1122152701847048192?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 27, 2019, 12:26:12 PM
My gawd Ron Paul generated more enthusiasm on college campuses then Beto "Denim Guy" O'Rourke   :lol: :lol: :lol:


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on April 27, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Would you vote for Trump over Warren?
No.  I'd vote third party before either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2019, 04:47:20 PM
Would you vote for Trump over Warren?
No.  I'd vote third party before either.

Same.


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 27, 2019, 05:11:52 PM
Would you vote for Trump over Warren?
No.  I'd vote third party before either.

Same.


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Yep, Bernie too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2019, 05:52:53 PM
I'll probably write in Tom again no matter who the nominee is because the electoral college is a joke.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 27, 2019, 06:07:59 PM
I'll probably write in Tom again no matter who the nominee is because the electoral college is a joke.
I thought you were in MO now, no?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 27, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/joe-biden-shylocks-reaction-111053.html (https://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/joe-biden-shylocks-reaction-111053.html)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
I'll probably write in Tom again no matter who the nominee is because the electoral college is a joke.
I thought you were in MO now, no?


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Trump won Missouri by like 20 points, it's a racist redneck wasteland.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 29, 2019, 06:33:24 PM
WHAT NOW PETE

https://twitter.com/miblogestublog/status/1122615470992048129
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 29, 2019, 06:51:22 PM
https://twitter.com/nandorvila/status/1122962868352081920?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 29, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
lol


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 29, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
that's not what he said.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 29, 2019, 09:29:41 PM
good post announcement bump for biden in this week's morning consult.  warren also bumps up a bit, everyone else down or even.


https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1123049157349072896


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
https://news.grabien.com/story-old-man-joe-biden-slurs-his-way-through-first-speech-preside

To much Botox?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 30, 2019, 08:20:17 AM
https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1123209026823651330?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 08:26:24 AM
https://news.grabien.com/story-old-man-joe-biden-slurs-his-way-through-first-speech-preside

To much Botox?

grabie news explodes into my awareness
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 08:32:38 AM
https://news.grabien.com/story-old-man-joe-biden-slurs-his-way-through-first-speech-preside

To much Botox?

grabie news explodes into my awareness

You guys need to get a BidenPrompter that helps Joe out, it just scrolls slower than ObamaPrompter.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 08:34:02 AM
Nobody close to that old should be allowed to run for president to begin with.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2019, 08:41:01 AM
https://news.grabien.com/story-old-man-joe-biden-slurs-his-way-through-first-speech-preside

To much Botox?

grabie news explodes into my awareness

Amazing comments section, they are all such dax's.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on April 30, 2019, 08:41:57 AM
I think we can close this thread as I don't see anyone catching Biden.  It will be a battle of the old people in Nov 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2019, 08:45:18 AM
Quote
Steve Robbins
30 points
23m
Just imagine our great country, the United States of America ... the leader of the free world ... awkwardly stumbling through four years of such pseudo-inspirational gibberish spewed by some blithering-jivering fool who even now at 76 -- well more than a full year prior to election day -- somehow cannot manage to complete a lucid English sentence without slipping into moments of incomprehensible balderdash!



Sadly, Joe is beginning to sound like he is involuntarily mimicking the late 'Professor' Irwin Corey, the Communist entertainer (often billed as the 'World's Foremost Authority') whose double-talk shtick was amusing fodder to Hollywood audiences for so many years.



And yet, former Vice-President Biden, and 77-year old Senator Bernie Sanders (I- VT) are still somehow clinging to a combined polling preference of half or more of the Democrat Party faithful, in spite of their Party's oft-expressed contempt for old white men!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 08:50:15 AM
amaze


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 08:55:56 AM
The comments section in sources like that are no where close to the whack-A-doo world of LibDerp Nation Twitter and related comments sections.   

gE couldn't afford the server horsepower needed to document all of that. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2019, 09:01:44 AM
Dax, it's ok to laugh at a guy who uses a reference from the 40's while slamming someone for being old lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 09:07:06 AM
Dax, it's ok to laugh at a guy who uses a reference from the 40's while slamming someone for being old lol

I wasn't even talking about that post.  Try to keep up here Lib, FFS
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2019, 09:10:42 AM
Lol calm down, friend
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 30, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1123209026823651330

I don't like how he underestimates the ability of these women to think strategically. If they think that there are lots of people who wouldn't vote for a candidate for sexist reasons, they are correct. But I'm guessing I'd also disagree with him on the idea that Democrats could have done better in 2016 with a different candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 09:49:23 AM
https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1123209026823651330?s=19

clinton apologists (and supporters of every other female candidate) should be able to understand that when they complain about sexism, etc., they are communicating to voters that they shouldn't support female candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
I think we can close this thread as I don't see anyone catching Biden.  It will be a battle of the old people in Nov 2020.

give it a month for everyone to see, and fully process, how old he is.  if he's still polling well over 30 a month from now, then i'll agree.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
incidentally, my candidate did his first prime-time mainstream cable interview last night, and he kinda mumped it up.  i'm pretty disappointed they haven't figured out a better message than he communicated last night during this first month of declining interviews.


oth, news leaked that abrams isn't going to run the senate, so hopefully she's deciding on the presidency.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
most of my assumptions regarding how the race will play out have assumed that sanders will hold at least 20% or so, no matter what.  if his candidacy collapses, i haven't really thought about what the race might look like with a bunch of newcomers running against biden.

https://twitter.com/AlexGonzTXCA/status/1123244983698411525
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
meaningless, statistically.  but this is the first poll that hasn't had sanders nominally in 1st or 2nd, afaik.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1123286221852114944
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 30, 2019, 01:33:56 PM
Sanders is mumped. Thankfully.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Sanders is mumped. Thankfully.

our nightmare is finally coming to a close
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 30, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
most of my assumptions regarding how the race will play out have assumed that sanders will hold at least 20% or so, no matter what.  if his candidacy collapses, i haven't really thought about what the race might look like with a bunch of newcomers running against biden.

https://twitter.com/AlexGonzTXCA/status/1123244983698411525

Well give that some thought and get back to us as soon as you can.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 02:13:46 PM
Well give that some thought and get back to us as soon as you can.

of course.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
not afraid to tell the bold truths we need to hear.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1123379364836646913
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 09:51:54 PM
FOLKS!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Was/is The Bank of China a major investor in Bohai-Harvest RST and Rosemont-Seneca?

When did this “investment” get consummated if true?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 10:11:02 PM
not afraid to tell the bold truths we need to hear.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1123379364836646913

Say it enough times . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 30, 2019, 10:11:21 PM
Good questions that make sense imo dax


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 10:13:22 PM
Good questions that make sense imo dax


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If true and using the current political climate as our guide.  The Biden’s are quite clearly compromised by both the Ukrainians and even worse, the Chinese.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 30, 2019, 10:15:35 PM
Good questions that make sense imo dax


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If true and using the current political climate as our guide.  The Biden’s are quite clearly compromised by both the Ukrainians and even worse, the Chinese.

Good sleuthing Dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 30, 2019, 10:16:55 PM
I think we can close this thread as I don't see anyone catching Biden.  It will be a battle of the old people in Nov 2020.

give it a month for everyone to see, and fully process, how old he is.  if he's still polling well over 30 a month from now, then i'll agree.

Jesus, a month from now is still 6 months from the Iowa Caucuses. Is this the first primary election you guys have paid attention to? July of 2015 Donald Trump was a national joke that no one took seriously who already had people quitting his campaign because he trashed John McCain for being a POW. Can we, at the very least, get through the summer debates?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 10:20:57 PM
you're basically right, there's a lot of time left.  but silver posted analysis a few weeks back that showed there was a pretty big difference between candidates polling in the 30-40% range the spring before and candidates polling in the 20-30% range.


btw, beto is back in iowa this weekend and early next week.  several events near des moines.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 30, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
the graph on win % is in here.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-and-bernies-support-isnt-just-name-recognition/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 10:32:10 PM
Good questions that make sense imo dax


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If true and using the current political climate as our guide.  The Biden’s are quite clearly compromised by both the Ukrainians and even worse, the Chinese.

Good sleuthing Dax

Not a bad deal.  Fly to China with dad on the public dole.  While dad is over putting the finishing touches on the utterly failed “Asian Pivot” (which only emboldened China in the SCS, intellectual property theft, and compromised technology).   Sonny and friends get the papers drawn up for what would ultimately be a $3 billion dollar “investment” by the ChiComs (a little Limbaugh lingo for this boards #1 Limbaugh fan, LibDerp7). 

FFS, is there any enemy of the US, the icons of LibDerp Nation weren’t selling out to back then? 

Sorry guys, Biden is compromised and unelectable.  Time to move on.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
Who is your rebound dax?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
Who is your rebound dax?

If AOC and Beta, I mean Beto can get on the same page I will have to give Captain Denim some serious thought.

But until they decide if it’s 10 years left or 12 years left,  I’ll have to consider Beets a man bereft in a sea of indecision
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2019, 12:08:05 AM
"Beta I mean Beto" is a great nickname.

Btw sys did you go on Sunday?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2019, 12:19:07 AM
https://twitter.com/KateAurthur/status/1123387890753400833?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 12:30:09 AM
Btw sys did you go on Sunday?

no, i had to work.  saw the vid, the sf crowd was rowdy.  i'd have preferred a smaller event anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 06:50:18 AM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1123531990609924096
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
It's a real pickle for the Bidenites:  Slurring speech, can't stay on a singular thought, not a good teleprompter reader, and wholly compromised by a laundry list of foreign entities across the whole spectrum of his immediate family.   Beholden to the ChiComs (a little Limbaugh lingo for this boards biggest Limbaugh Fan, LibDerp7) to the tune of billions of dollars.   Worse, much of that came while while Ray Ban's Joe was the VPOTUS.   

If Joe is nominated, that will be two straight (D) nominees that sold out to the tune of millions/billions to foreign interests while they held some of the highest offices in the land.

SMDH, sad



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2019, 08:31:26 AM
Also he's old as crap
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on May 01, 2019, 08:37:50 AM
I hope he somehow ends up as VP again, he kicks ass at that job.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 09:50:03 AM
if he wins the nomination, chooses abrams as vp and then dies real quick, that'd be a pretty good result.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 01, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
https://twitter.com/asteadwesley/status/1123606441854676992?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
damn millenials
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2019, 01:05:43 PM
I statistically align with these results
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 01, 2019, 01:42:10 PM
I mean, if the choice is great leader / decent ideas vs great ideas / mediocre leader, I'm taking the great leader.

-- 18-34 yo disssenter
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
Part of the 38% minority here folks


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 01, 2019, 01:56:14 PM
Part of the 38% minority here folks


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For 65+!

Lol, get it? SD is OBz
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
i'll just cross out from 50-64 in my how old is steve dave notebook.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 01, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
I mean, if the choice is great leader / decent ideas vs great ideas / mediocre leader, I'm taking the great leader.

-- 18-34 yo disssenter

Yeah, when in history has a president ever been like, OH HEY GUYS I GOT AN IDEA. And congress is like wow what a great policy idea let’s put that into action.

Like 70% of a president’s job is getting people to do stuff they already know they should be doing. 10% is hiring good idea people, and the other 20% is making Americans not look like complete idiots.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 03:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/asteadwesley/status/1123606441854676992?s=21

Millennials mushing Gen Xers and boomers, again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 03:31:31 PM
you're basically right, there's a lot of time left.  but silver posted analysis a few weeks back that showed there was a pretty big difference between candidates polling in the 30-40% range the spring before and candidates polling in the 20-30% range.


btw, beto is back in iowa this weekend and early next week.  several events near des moines.

I'm on his mailing list now, I'm going to make a serious effort to see him this week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 01, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
 :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 05:05:13 PM
Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 01, 2019, 05:06:11 PM
Yang will be at a park near me Friday night.  If I end up free and the dog's up for it, I will provide some #coverage. 

The coverage will probably be mostly of the crowd.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2019, 05:08:00 PM
I hope you feel up to it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 05:30:37 PM
Yang will be at a park near me Friday night.  If I end up free and the dog's up for it, I will provide some #coverage. 

The coverage will probably be mostly of the crowd.

Can't we just get that from the politics or gaming threads on 4chan? How many yang supporters can get over the social anxiety to be seen in public?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 01, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."

Is that what you think a great leader is?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 01, 2019, 08:14:53 PM
damn millenials

 :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 09:12:43 PM
Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."

Is that what you think a great leader is?

It was an extreme counter to an extreme example. I'll say this though, our current president is absolutely an example of a great leader who knows nothing about policy or law.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 01, 2019, 09:21:59 PM
Great leaders don’t have all their decisions undermined by the ones they’re leading (aka “deep state”).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on May 01, 2019, 09:36:24 PM


Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."

Is that what you think a great leader is?

It was an extreme counter to an extreme example. I'll say this though, our current president is absolutely an example of a great leader who knows nothing about policy or law.


How is he a great leader. In my definition that implies (partly) a unifier. Parody post?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 01, 2019, 09:46:09 PM
Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."

Is that what you think a great leader is?

It was an extreme counter to an extreme example. I'll say this though, our current president is absolutely an example of a great leader who knows nothing about policy or law.
I think he is the opposite. A great ideas guy (from his base's POV), but an ineffectual leader. Pence would have gotten so much more done.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 10:16:15 PM


Millennials: "You know what we need? Ineffective policy wonks"

Gen X'ers: "You know what we need? Intellectual commoners who motivate by talking in cliches."

Is that what you think a great leader is?

It was an extreme counter to an extreme example. I'll say this though, our current president is absolutely an example of a great leader who knows nothing about policy or law.


How is he a great leader. In my definition that implies (partly) a unifier. Parody post?

A great leader has nothing to do with being a party unifier, absolutely positively literally, nothing. I don't even know if that's possible in this political climate. Is the eventual Democratic nominee not a leader, because whomever wins the nomination will definitely have about half the party pissed off. They'll eventually unite but it will be against cheeto, not for anyone.

Chubs is a leader because he can push people to places far beyond what they, or anyone else, thought they were capable of. His means are irrelevant to himself or the people he leads and there is something to be said about the sheer number of people willing to be led by him despite all that comes with that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 10:27:02 PM
yeah, he has like 95% of pubs completely wrapped around his finger.  if he has followers, he must be a leader.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 01, 2019, 10:47:29 PM
Is that what you think a great leader is?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 10:53:52 PM
it's one definition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 10:55:37 PM
Is that what you think a great leader is?

Quite rough ridin' obviously, yeah, that's what I said. There are roughly 60 million people who agree with me. He can be a great leader and I and others can completely disagree with every rough ridin' thing that person is and stands for. How many people in this world would have 60 million people willing to be led by them? I think Ronald Reagan was just as dangerous that the dumpy cheeto is, do you not think he was a leader?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 01, 2019, 11:02:33 PM
Is that what you think a great leader is?

Quite rough ridin' obviously, yeah, that's what I said. There are roughly 60 million people who agree with me. He can be a great leader and I and others can completely disagree with every rough ridin' thing that person is and stands for. How many people in this world would have 60 million people willing to be led by them? I think Ronald Reagan was just as dangerous that the dumpy cheeto is, do you not think he was a leader?

Well I already voiced my problem with your definition. Trump himself claims he is undermined at every turn by people whose only rough ridin' job is to do what he says. That makes for a pretty shitty leader in my book.

As to your question, I think a better question would be whether a sitting president in this generation could command less than 60 million  people if they tried.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2019, 11:16:44 PM
yes, i definitely think one could.  i don't underestimate trump's ability.  there is a non-zero chance he ends our democracy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2019, 11:39:47 PM
Is that what you think a great leader is?

Quite rough ridin' obviously, yeah, that's what I said. There are roughly 60 million people who agree with me. He can be a great leader and I and others can completely disagree with every rough ridin' thing that person is and stands for. How many people in this world would have 60 million people willing to be led by them? I think Ronald Reagan was just as dangerous that the dumpy cheeto is, do you not think he was a leader?

Well I already voiced my problem with your definition. Trump himself claims he is undermined at every turn by people whose only rough ridin' job is to do what he says. That makes for a pretty shitty leader in my book.

As to your question, I think a better question would be whether a sitting president in this generation could command less than 60 million  people if they tried.

You really don't think being undermined doesn't come with being in charge? Abe Lincoln was undermined more than any president in the history of the country, not a leader for you? You are conflating being a shitty president and an even shittier human with being a leader. The history of the world is littered with leaders who were bad people and others who ultimately failed. It's actually much tougher to find someone historically who fits your seemingly amazingly narrow definition.

And no, a sitting president can't command less than 60 million people if they tried? How many people in this country has what it takes to endure a primary election, a general election, then have 60 million people willing to be led by them? There are literally 7 of those people alive in this country.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 02, 2019, 12:09:45 AM
middle class joe.

https://twitter.com/marcusdipaola/status/1123760146763714562
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 02, 2019, 12:14:00 AM
I’m not going to dissect each of the points I find ridiculous, but I do find it funny that MIR & sys’s conception of a leader (someone who lots of people mimic even if their actual employees don’t respect them enough to follow orders) would put Elton John, Elvis, and Madonna as probably the three greatest leaders of the last century.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2019, 04:28:13 AM
WTF
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 02, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
Elvis never meant crap to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 02, 2019, 08:33:29 AM
Kind of agree that mir is just describing a celebrity and not a leader
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 02, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
Yang will be at a park near me Friday night.  If I end up free and the dog's up for it, I will provide some #coverage. 

The coverage will probably be mostly of the crowd.

Can't we just get that from the politics or gaming threads on 4chan? How many yang supporters can get over the social anxiety to be seen in public?

A dozen?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 02, 2019, 08:38:37 AM
Yeah lib gets it.  I'll take one more shot at explaining.  If having followers makes you a leader, then an egg on Instagram is among the greatest leaders of our day along with Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Selena Gomez, and the Rock. You are conflating leader with influencer.  Leadership is intentionally driving people to achieve a goal.  Trump sucks at that.  The fact he has been influential doesn't make him any more of a leader than Justin Bieber (105+ million followers on Twitter).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 02, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
Gen X Males that I know here in KC think Warren is a Shrill Shrieking crazy woman.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 02, 2019, 09:34:41 AM
Gen X Males that I know here in KC think Warren is a Shrill Shrieking crazy woman.

yeesh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 02, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
No one who aspires to be President will be a good leader.  We need to force a good leader to be president against their will.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 02, 2019, 10:02:11 AM
 :party:

https://twitter.com/Mr_Berman/status/1123926347426955264
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 02, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Leadership is intentionally driving people to achieve a goal.  Trump sucks at that. 

what makes you think his goal isn't to watch fox news, insult people on twitter, say racist crap, fill his hotels and clubs with paying customers and not get arrested?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2019, 10:07:47 AM
beto is doing a town hall in council bluffs saturday (council'tucky lmao) and I would irl probably go but I'm not going to be here
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 02, 2019, 10:08:52 AM
damn, that sucks.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 02, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
Leadership is intentionally driving people to achieve a goal.  Trump sucks at that. 

what makes you think his goal isn't to watch fox news, insult people on twitter, say racist crap, fill his hotels and clubs with paying customers and not get arrested?

He can do all those things in himself without any leadership of others.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 02, 2019, 10:18:24 AM
only the fox news part.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 02, 2019, 12:52:32 PM
I'd like to see the Dems put this guy up against Trump.

https://twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/1123985989981097986
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2019, 07:15:00 PM
Leadership is intentionally driving people to achieve a goal.  Trump sucks at that. 

This doesn't mean anything at all. People who believe in him can give you countless examples of him doing this but you'll dismiss them because you don't believe in him. You can play that game with every single president in the history of this country, a point you continue to ignore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2019, 07:18:15 PM
Gen X Males that I know here in KC think Warren is a Shrill Shrieking crazy woman.

Find better friends that respect women better.
shrill shrieking crazy :: women
angry threatening menacing :: black men
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2019, 07:18:53 PM
beto is doing a town hall in council bluffs saturday (council'tucky lmao) and I would irl probably go but I'm not going to be here

Heh, they call it that here too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 02, 2019, 09:59:51 PM
Leadership is intentionally driving people to achieve a goal.  Trump sucks at that. 

This doesn't mean anything at all. People who believe in him can give you countless examples of him doing this but you'll dismiss them because you don't believe in him. You can play that game with every single president in the history of this country, a point you continue to ignore.

You wound me. I’m always open to having my mind changed. Would be happy to hear examples of Trump’s leadership as president and examples of other presidents similarly undermined by their cabinets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 02, 2019, 10:03:41 PM
leadership ='s stoking fear and hate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 02, 2019, 11:24:42 PM
I hope you feel up to it

Trending towards doubtful but I saw a yang gang'r (in a subaru!) out on these streets tonight.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on May 03, 2019, 01:48:12 AM
Does Trim drive a white Jeep Wrangler?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 03, 2019, 02:51:26 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 05, 2019, 02:11:09 PM
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1124731838197637120
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
Heh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/03/biden-son-china-business/

I'd say Biden is a virtual shoe-in, he has the whole portfolio of corruption that LibDerp Nation flocks to to the tune of millions upon millions of votes and 3 years worth of melting down if he should lose.

Congrats President Biden . . . and I hope your family is putting that ChiCom money to good use (and the Ukrainian cash as well).

You think Joe gives Hillary a hard time about "only" getting a few hundred million from the Russians?





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 06, 2019, 10:34:44 AM
well Biden must be making pubs nervous

Dax brushing up on his talking points!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2019, 10:36:25 AM
Joe Biden:  Corruption worth getting behind (The DNC)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 06, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
Saw this Wang supporter on my shuttle bus at DFW last night.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 06, 2019, 11:21:24 AM
Joe Biden:  Corruption worth getting behind (The DNC)


oooh now do Trump!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2019, 11:49:28 AM
Joe Biden:  Corruption worth getting behind (The DNC)


oooh now do Trump!!!

Private citizen Trump?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 06, 2019, 03:50:45 PM
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/03/biden-son-china-business/

I'd say Biden is a virtual shoe-in, he has the whole portfolio of corruption that LibDerp Nation flocks to to the tune of millions upon millions of votes and 3 years worth of melting down if he should lose.

Congrats President Biden . . . and I hope your family is putting that ChiCom money to good use (and the Ukrainian cash as well).

You think Joe gives Hillary a hard time about "only" getting a few hundred million from the Russians?

MODS! I believe this needs moved to the opinions/rankings thread
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 06, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
 :D

https://twitter.com/geekwire/status/1125417297525395456
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2019, 03:52:56 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/us/politics/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-campaign.html

Time to get on the Joe train resident LibDerps.

ChiCom cash buys a lot of DNC palm grease. 

#hillarybiden
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 07, 2019, 07:35:11 AM
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/442310-joe-biden

ChiCom's gonna get their guy?

A Joe B presidency has to be worth a good $10-$15 billion for the Biden family.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 07, 2019, 07:41:53 AM
For anyone else curious, $15B would make someone the 80th richest person in the entire world.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 07, 2019, 08:08:13 AM
For anyone else curious, $15B would make someone the 80th richest person in the entire world.

Biden's already locked down $3B from the BoC when he was Veep, so using time and prestige I predict Pres Biden is worth $10 to $15B for the Biden family (and the ChiComs).

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 07, 2019, 08:10:54 AM
For anyone else curious, $15B would make someone the 80th richest person in the entire world.

Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 07, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
harris, beto and booker seem down to their hardcore support, the warren minibump may have been statistical noise (or not), buttigieg has plateaued and may even be fading, sanders continues to sink.  the biden surge continues.

the most interesting thing to me, beyond whether biden maintains at 40 or sees his support fade following announcement as everyone else has, is whether sanders maintains in the 20-15 range or if his support dwindles when it becomes clear he's closer to one of many in the pack chasing biden rather than a co-frontrunner.

https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1125587164358639616

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 07, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
i wish the candidates had to file fec numbers monthly.  it'd be extremely interesting to see which candidates (if any) are still raising good money with their poll numbers sinking and which candidates are not.

i expect buttigieg has been raking in money in april, which was probably very smart.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on May 07, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
Check out Biden siphoning Sanders's old white guy votes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Havs on May 07, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
I've seen five of them so far and I haven't come away liking any of them so far. #IowaThings
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 07, 2019, 01:14:49 PM
I've seen five of them so far and I haven't come away liking any of them so far. #IowaThings

Which 5?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on May 07, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
Old dudes rule, young punks get schooled.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 07, 2019, 01:21:49 PM
I've seen five of them so far and I haven't come away liking any of them so far. #IowaThings

Which 5?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-hits-new-hampshire-fresh-off-speaking-tour-clinton-heads-to-first-primary-state/
Fantastic.

Two potential Dem front runners utterly beholden to foreign interests?

May be the first time in history that not one but two potential nominees should face special counsel inquires if elected.

I'll put the total dollar value pumped into both families while they served the executive branch of these United States of America at $4.2 Billion.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 09, 2019, 05:26:33 PM
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-hits-new-hampshire-fresh-off-speaking-tour-clinton-heads-to-first-primary-state/
Fantastic.

Two potential Dem front runners utterly beholden to foreign interests?

May be the first time in history that not one but two potential nominees should face special counsel inquires if elected.

I'll put the total dollar value pumped into both families while they served the executive branch of these United States of America at $4.2 Billion.

 :lol:

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2019, 05:34:31 PM
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-hits-new-hampshire-fresh-off-speaking-tour-clinton-heads-to-first-primary-state/
Fantastic.

Two potential Dem front runners utterly beholden to foreign interests?

May be the first time in history that not one but two potential nominees should face special counsel inquires if elected.

I'll put the total dollar value pumped into both families while they served the executive branch of these United States of America at $4.2 Billion.

 :lol:

(https://i.imgur.com/V8LqHNv_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

On a LibDerp Ghoul such as you would laugh at the destruction of multiple countries.

Sad . . . SMDH

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 09, 2019, 05:44:54 PM
Scene - Dax family dinner

Dax: so I saw on www.theamericanmirror.com today that Hillary is going to run for president again and also libderp nation is so butthurt that barr is going to throw mueller in jail for treason

Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2019, 05:47:22 PM
Scene - Dax family dinner

Dax: so I saw on www.theamericanmirror.com today that Hillary is going to run for president again and also libderp nation is so butthurt that barr is going to throw mueller in jail for treason

Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear

LibDerp, always confused by the "?"

Overall:  1.5 stars on a 7 star scale



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 09, 2019, 11:46:15 PM
Scene - Dax family dinner

Dax: so I saw on www.theamericanmirror.com today that Hillary is going to run for president again and also libderp nation is so butthurt that barr is going to throw mueller in jail for treason

Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear

now do one where his grandkids chime in
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 10, 2019, 06:31:47 AM
Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear
Kids, rhythmically banging silverware on table: LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2019, 07:38:12 AM
Any perceived sleight of mega corrupt LibDerp Nation Icon Hillary Clinton immediately triggers resident LibDerp Nation.

Funny . . . but still sad.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 10, 2019, 08:34:31 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1126839450330382346

"SleepyCreepy Joe"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 10, 2019, 09:47:27 AM
Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear
Kids, rhythmically banging silverware on table: LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!

:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2019, 01:26:57 PM
SMDH, Joe, Joe, Joe (should also be double posted in Russia thread).

https://www.theepochtimes.com/joe-biden-obama-officials-influenced-ukraine-to-advance-own-interests_2896259.html

With that kind of in office corruption, Joe is a virtual shoe-in for the Dem nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 10, 2019, 02:14:00 PM
The Epoch Times


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 10, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
the url makes it look like thee poch times
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 10, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
The Epoch Times


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2019, 02:56:52 PM
The thing I appreciate about resident LibDerp Nation is that you'll believe even the most randomized Twitter person as long as they're anti-Trump, but post an article from a publication they're not that familiar with they automatically try to discredit.

Sad, closed minded . . .but not the least bit surprising.

Sorry (not really) your guy Joe is so corrupt.

Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 10, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
Dax, where do you find these things?

The Epoch Times was started in 2000 by a group of Falun Gong practitioners[12]; the founders said they were responding to censorship inside China and a lack of international understanding about the Chinese repression of Falun Gong.[13][14] In May 2000, the paper was first published in the Chinese language in New York, with the web launch in August 2000.[15]

In recent years, the newspaper's German edition has aligned with the German far right,[52][53] and the U.S. edition has favored the Trump administration.[54][55]

It also often publishes Pseudoscience including but not limited to UFOs and[58] chemtrails,[59] in a section titled "Beyond Science".[60] The section includes such articles as "12 Million-Year-Old Vehicle Tracks",[61] Sumerian spaceships,[62] hype over meditation,[63] and near-death experience.[64]


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2019, 03:31:33 PM
Dax, where do you find these things?

The Epoch Times was started in 2000 by a group of Falun Gong practitioners[12]; the founders said they were responding to censorship inside China and a lack of international understanding about the Chinese repression of Falun Gong.[13][14] In May 2000, the paper was first published in the Chinese language in New York, with the web launch in August 2000.[15]

In recent years, the newspaper's German edition has aligned with the German far right,[52][53] and the U.S. edition has favored the Trump administration.[54][55]

It also often publishes Pseudoscience including but not limited to UFOs and[58] chemtrails,[59] in a section titled "Beyond Science".[60] The section includes such articles as "12 Million-Year-Old Vehicle Tracks",[61] Sumerian spaceships,[62] hype over meditation,[63] and near-death experience.[64]


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What you really need to say is that they don't print what you want them to say, SD.

Now, shall we go through all the things that some of publications that you approve of have published over the years?   What exactly were you expecting from a section that's entitled "Beyond Science"?  That's pretty self explanatory is it not?

Here, here's the science section of their English version . . . ooo, so controversial!!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-science

Here's the main page . . . oh my gosh, they may lean a little towards Trump!!  https://www.theepochtimes.com/



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 10, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Yeah, I mean, you can go through all the stuff I’ve linked to. I’m comfortable with that.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 11, 2019, 08:30:01 AM
My goodness that is a perfect Dax type website :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2019, 09:34:03 AM
Absolutely obsessed.

SMDH #cyberstalker
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2019, 09:35:08 AM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 11, 2019, 10:11:00 AM
Absolutely obsessed.

SMDH #cyberstalker

For commenting on something YOU posted on a public blog?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 11, 2019, 01:44:23 PM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21

Good response lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 12, 2019, 06:49:37 AM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21

Good response lol

Thanks, I knew you'd respond.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 12, 2019, 08:12:29 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 12, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
They're good.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190512/89b4e963b493f22da933cf780e643246.jpg)

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 12, 2019, 08:27:50 AM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21

Good response lol

Thanks, I knew you'd respond.

I was talking about mad magazine you weird old man lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 12, 2019, 08:42:48 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 12, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Scene - Dax family dinner

Dax: so I saw on www.theamericanmirror.com today that Hillary is going to run for president again and also libderp nation is so butthurt that barr is going to throw mueller in jail for treason

Mrs. Dax: that's nice dear

now do one where his grandkids chime in

or when he mentions how many contrails were in the sky today and damn, this meatloaf is excellent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 12, 2019, 10:36:31 AM
I think this thread is now irrelevant. Biden is going to roll.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 13, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
he's like a week from hugging a cardboard cutout of obama on stage.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1127981906639892480
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 13, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
backbone like a ramrod. that's some 10/10 boomer power language.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 12:59:00 PM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21

Good response lol

Thanks, I knew you'd respond.

I was talking about mad magazine you weird old man lol

Post less when you’re HAF
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 01:08:06 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/12/beto-o-rourke-2020-disappearing-act-what-happened-popularity-texas-politician


Beta, I mean Beto, understands as soon as LibDerp Nation gets the most mega corrupt nominee that they can possibly get, that’s who they’re going for. 

As soon as ChiCom Joe stepped in, with a family backed by billions of ChiCom (and Ukrainian) dollars, Beta, I mean Beto didn’t stand a chance. 

Pew Pew (holsters the double guns) ChiCom Joe takes down another one
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 13, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
backbone like a ramrod. that's some 10/10 boomer power language.

Probably a phrase someone should tell Joe to try to avoid in the future, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 13, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
https://twitter.com/madmagazine/status/1127076926676393984?s=21

Good response lol

Thanks, I knew you'd respond.

I was talking about mad magazine you weird old man lol

Post less when you’re HAF

Getting mad because you got confused and embarrassed is a staple of daxdom
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 13, 2019, 01:25:31 PM
All of Dax's news and world view comes from far right European propaganda outlets that are really probably run through Russian Troll farms.

sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 01:35:31 PM
The Guardian, far right?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 01:45:02 PM
Joe Biden:  The kind of NeoCon LibDerp Nation can get behind (again and as usual):

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/biden-lobbying-usmca-nafta/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
Speaking again of Beto, if he'd just take a page a page from the glorious love affair LibDerp Nation has for NeoCon Joe, and let this guy begin the process of formulating the Beto back channel policy platform that's going to appeal the power brokers of this nation.  He might stand a chance . .

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/11/beto-orourke-campaign-staff-lobbyist-keystone-xl/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 02:10:20 PM
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/03/biden-son-china-business/

Hunter Biden’s investment company in China, known as Bohai Harvest RST, has pooled money, largely from state-owned venture capital, to buy or invest in a range of industries in the U.S. and China. Bohai Harvest has put money into an automotive firm, mining companies, and technology ventures, such as Didi Chuxing Technology, one of the largest ride-hailing companies in the world after Uber. (Hunter Biden, Bohai Harvest, and Joe Biden’s presidential campaign did not respond to a request for comment.)

Bohai Harvest relies heavily on an international subsidiary of the state-owned Bank of China to finance its investments, referring to itself as an “investment platform under BOC” on its website. The investment fund has also partnered with a subsidiary of HNA Group, a controversial conglomerate that has snapped up investments in a wide range of businesses across the


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 02:21:04 PM
Those replies, tho . . .  :lol:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1127744015158382592
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2019, 09:44:21 PM
Good God, will you shut the eff up? Jesus, take it to stormfront where they actually give a crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
Good God, will you shut the eff up? Jesus, take it to stormfront where they actually give a crap.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 13, 2019, 10:28:39 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobfhsmith/status/1128120434468237312
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
Completely owned by China

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-china-is-not-competition-for-us-prompting-pushback-from-republicans/2019/05/01/4ae4e738-6c68-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.8ae9ec48fb59
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 13, 2019, 11:19:05 PM
Do the polls poll the same people, which would truly reflect if people are changing their minds as things go?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 14, 2019, 12:14:53 AM
Yeah, she won’t win, but she’s smart and cool. I’m in. Hope she gets enough mic time in the debates to make a difference and stays in race long enough to get her message out some on the campaign trail.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/kR8UcnwLH24[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 14, 2019, 08:45:31 AM
Yep

Quote
as the first real Gen X candidates make a run for president

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/14/style/generation-xers.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 14, 2019, 10:55:27 AM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2019, 11:20:25 AM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19

LOL.  Just say you only want softballs and sycophants, Liz.  Save the time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 14, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
My super lib boomer mom does NOT like Elizabeth Warren.  Was shocked. 

"Shrill" "going to get drilled with Pocahontas" over and over again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 14, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
My super lib boomer mom does NOT like Elizabeth Warren.  Was shocked. 

"Shrill" "going to get drilled with Pocahontas" over and over again.

i've got a shocking revelation for everyone: dems have their own sizable equivalent to trump voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 14, 2019, 11:34:53 AM
She's not really a Bernie Bro.  Is that the equivalent?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 14, 2019, 11:51:50 AM
She's not really a Bernie Bro.  Is that the equivalent?
Who's her favorite candidate?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 14, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
Obvious case of women hate women
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 14, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
Yeah, she won’t win, but she’s smart and cool. I’m in. Hope she gets enough mic time in the debates to make a difference and stays in race long enough to get her message out some on the campaign trail.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/kR8UcnwLH24[/youtube]

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party
Quote
Before she became a progressive darling for endorsing Sanders, Gabbard became a conservative darling for relentlessly hawking the idea — later popularized by Trump — that Obama’s foreign policy was failing because he refused to use the term “Islamic extremism,” or some variation of it.

We could do much worse but I'm gonna pass
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 14, 2019, 12:25:03 PM
She's not really a Bernie Bro.  Is that the equivalent?
Who's her favorite candidate?


Mayor Pete

Then Biden probably.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 14, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
She's not really a Bernie Bro.  Is that the equivalent?
Who's her favorite candidate?


Mayor Pete

Then Biden probably.
She's not a super lib lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on May 14, 2019, 12:32:37 PM
Compared to what?  San Francisco?

White, middle class liberal?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 14, 2019, 01:01:37 PM
Compared to what?  San Francisco?

White, middle class liberal?
Moderate dem
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 14, 2019, 01:04:38 PM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19

Interesting for sure, but I (still) don’t like the idea of a presidential candidate fighting a crusade against a private tv/news network.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 14, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
I do like a presidential candidate fighting a crusade against propaganda.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 14, 2019, 01:12:08 PM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19

Interesting for sure, but I (still) don’t like the idea of a presidential candidate fighting a crusade against a private tv/news network.

How do you feel about candidates turning down interviews on infowars?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2019, 01:14:35 PM
I do like a presidential candidate fighting a crusade against propaganda.

Hopefully this means she'll never appear with Rachel Maddow.

But Liz probably didn't pay much attention to the Twitter take down of Rach a few weeks back, replete with and amazing array of video clips of Rach in full blown  :jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy: mode
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 14, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19

Interesting for sure, but I (still) don’t like the idea of a presidential candidate fighting a crusade against a private tv/news network.

How do you feel about candidates turning down interviews on infowars?

If the reason is she’s concerned Alex will sell a few extra taint wipes out of the deal, I feel about the same.

If the reason is because it’s not a forum designed or even remotely conducive to serious discussion of issues, then it makes a lot more sense for the ideas lady to turn down.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 14, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
https://twitter.com/justicedems/status/1128348912513880064

Quote
The Green Revolution, or Third Agricultural Revolution, is a set of research technology transfer initiatives occurring between 1950 and the late 1960s, that increased agricultural production worldwide, particularly in the developing world, beginning most markedly in the late 1960s.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 14, 2019, 03:11:06 PM
@MakeItRain

Most of the stuff at the top of the article makes little difference to me.

I strongly Di sagree with most of the assertions the writer is making in the
“Unfortunate and Disturbing” section. She understands why Islamic Extremism happens, isn’t afraid to call it what it is, and seems to have a pretty decent idea on how to go about lessening it.

The author is correct. She’s not a dove. She doesn’t like to waste citizens money and creating thousands of endless deaths overthrow bad dictators so US companies can make money hand over fist.

All of that money could be better spent at home, and it wouldn’t create the type of power vacuums that allow zealots to influence otherwise rational people into extremism.

That’s just my opinion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2019, 02:28:48 AM
@MakeItRain

I strongly Di sagree with most of the assertions the writer is making in the
“Unfortunate and Disturbing” section. She understands why Islamic Extremism happens, isn’t afraid to call it what it is, and seems to have a pretty decent idea on how to go about lessening it.


Why are we differentiating "Islamic Extremism" from per se "Christian Extremism?" There are a whole lot of extreme Christians in this country and they have a much greater impact on our day to day lives. If we are going to insist on making our government priorities non-secular I'd rather us focus our efforts on the millions of people living here that are using their influence to strip people of their constitutional rights. The longer that goes unchecked, the harder they'll push.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 15, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 15, 2019, 08:19:24 AM
So if we start calling all of the spades spades, they will stop being spades?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
Like clockwork . . .

https://thehill.com/homenews/the-memo/443737-2020-dems-line-up-for-maddow-primary

Good to see the Dems lining up to talk with the Alex Jones of the Left.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 15, 2019, 09:15:40 AM

I know it's been brought up by dax. I like to read stories that connect the dots.

[tweet]1128062465030254592[/tweet]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
ChiCom Joe . . . the kind of corruption LibDerp Nation can believe in (again)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 09:25:16 AM
A real pickle for Twitter Prog-Libs.   You've been marginalized.  In 2016 the Clinton's put those millions in foreign cash laundered through their fake Foundation to working buying the DNC and thus the Dem nomination. 

Joe "the NeoCon" Bident (except China) is going to play the older whiter version of Obama (so more domestic spying and asymmetric wars of aggression) all the way to the nomination in 2020.    No doubt pushed by the steady of hand of ChiCom financed media influencers. 

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-apos-early-dominance-tests-080000231.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2019, 09:31:13 AM
Fake news
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 15, 2019, 09:36:06 AM
New poll shows that Biden is leading the democratic primary 100% to zip.  This poll is based on who dax's ire is aimed at currently.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Interesting thread

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249?s=19

She's just copying the Trump game plan which is actually smart. She's betting that calling a news organization racist is going to win her more supporters than appearing on the network and talking about her ideas. And she's probably right because all anyone wants in a candidate these days is someone to pander to them on twitter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 15, 2019, 09:48:47 AM
Trump appeared on every news network. He was all any of them would talk about and he personally called in to their shows, sometimes even unexpectedly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2019, 10:41:20 AM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

Well if we're calling spades a spade we can be honest about the fact that anyone who's every used the terms Islamic Terrorism or Islamic Extremism has never used the terms Christian Terrorism or Christian Extremism interchangeably. The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold. No one is inspecting Christianity when some freak commits a crime in the name of Jesus, nor should they. Inspecting Islam when a supposed Muslim commits a crime is bigotry. crap, we're to the point now where white people are assigning crimes, like the boy thrown off of the balcony at the Mall of America, to Muslims, when the perp wasn't even Muslim. Or how about the people discussing the role of Islam with that Minneapolis cop that murdered that blonde Australian woman. As if there hasn't been hundreds of thousands of god fearing pigs kill or maim innocent people.

Acting like the term Islamic Extremism isn't coded is some real all lives matter bullshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2019, 10:50:46 AM
Can you give an example of what you’re talking about that you would call Christian Extremism?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 15, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
Can you give an example of what you’re talking about that you would call Christian Extremism?

To be fair, most people who are perceived as Christians or are self-proclaimed Christians and also extremists/domestic terrorists don't seem to be committing their acts in the name of Jesus. They're usually white supremists, anti-semites, homophobes or whatever, and they're usually labeled as such. 

Pro-life zealots who kill abortion doctors are another story. They often claim to have the bible on their side when they destroy abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. I think it's pretty fair to call the dude who killed George Tiller a Christian extremist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 15, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
Some could argue that our middle East intervention is Christian extremism
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 15, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
@MakeItRain

I don't know what you mean by "inspecting" Islam. Inspecting the factors that motivate people into becoming radicalized by zealots, islamic or otherwise, is definitely a good idea.

I just saying I don't have a problem with her calling people who openly claim to be committing atrocities in the name of Islam Islamic terrorists. It's not saying "Muslims are bad." It's not the same thing.

I agree with Gabbard's position on how to combat such atrocities, which I think is far more important than what people call it. I believe taking a non-interventionalist approach also happens to be beneficial to us in the US and folks in the Middle East.

Just leave them the hell alone and stay out of their business. None of this crap would be happening if we hadn't been toppling governments and occupying countries in the middle east since WWI (before? i dunno).

It saddens me that you would allow that to sour you on her when you agree with a lot of what she has to say.

Granted, it won't matter much because Biden is going to kick everyone's ass probably anyway. Maybe he can even beat Trump. Hopefully.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 15, 2019, 11:45:57 AM
Some could argue that our middle East intervention is Christian extremism

I think that is partially true, but we all know it's all about the benjamins baby.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2019, 12:25:40 PM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold.

(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/apple/198/thinking-face_1f914.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 15, 2019, 12:50:33 PM
https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1128717007816462336
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 15, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
ChiCom Joe . . . the kind of corruption LibDerp Nation can believe in (again)
Hunter has made a killing not knowing a thing about the industry. If only we all had a daddy to get us deals...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 15, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold.

(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/apple/198/thinking-face_1f914.png)
Ha. I think somebody is conveniently forgetting 9/11.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2019, 01:07:05 PM
https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1128717007816462336

Dax is going to hate TF out of Biden
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
Now that we know that most of you will talk a great game for (insert utterly marginalized candidate name here) while stepping into the voting both and pulling the lever for ChiCom Joe the NeoCon, who represents everything that at one time your movement used to hate.

We can shut down this thread.

MIR and the rest can start a new thread on Christian extremism

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
Dax, what has changed since 2016 when you said you'd vote for Biden over trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 01:41:23 PM
Dax, what has changed since 2016 when you said you'd vote for Biden over trump?

Was not fully versed on the fact that Joe used the power of his previous office to make his family billionaires, collectively.

The guy literally outdid the Clinton's on a $3:$1 ratio in that regard.   Impressive, but still sad



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2019, 01:45:10 PM
Who's your guy (or girl!) now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
Cause tbh it seems like Biden is your new crush just saying...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 15, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
Good thing Trump isn't making any money off of his current position.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
Good thing Trump isn't making any money off of his current position.

Agreed, Joe has set the all time record by "if you have to ask . . . " amounts of money

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 01:59:52 PM
Who's your guy (or girl!) now?

Probably Gabbard. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
Dax, what has changed since 2016 when you said you'd vote for Biden over trump?

Was not fully versed on the fact that Joe used the power of his previous office to make his family billionaires, collectively.

The guy literally outdid the Clinton's on a $3:$1 ratio in that regard.   Impressive, but still sad

We should lock him up then, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 15, 2019, 02:53:05 PM
Now that we know that most of you will talk a great game for (insert utterly marginalized candidate name here) while stepping into the voting both and pulling the lever for ChiCom Joe the NeoCon, who represents everything that at one time your movement used to hate.

We can shut down this thread.

MIR and the rest can start a new thread on Christian extremism

dax, I would pull the lever for you or KSUW before I voted for Trump.  So the bar is set pretty low.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
Now that we know that most of you will talk a great game for (insert utterly marginalized candidate name here) while stepping into the voting both and pulling the lever for ChiCom Joe the NeoCon, who represents everything that at one time your movement used to hate.

We can shut down this thread.

MIR and the rest can start a new thread on Christian extremism

dax, I would pull the lever for you or KSUW before I voted for Trump.  So the bar is set pretty low.

I am quite centrist and even very liberal on many issues.   I'd be a fantastic president.   Infrastructure projects alone would be amazing . . . and fewer world destinations and more home time for our men and women in uniform.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 15, 2019, 05:12:14 PM
23?

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1128778806016315392
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2019, 05:13:05 PM
I have no doubt President Dax would have good intentions for our Union, but I’m concerned he would too easily be manipulated by foreign leaders and corrupt officials based on his tendency to parrot authoritarian talking points.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 15, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
New poll shows that Biden is leading the democratic primary 100% to zip.  This poll is based on who dax's ire is aimed at currently.

This is irl the only relevant poll


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 15, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
Now that we know that most of you will talk a great game for (insert utterly marginalized candidate name here) while stepping into the voting both and pulling the lever for ChiCom Joe the NeoCon, who represents everything that at one time your movement used to hate.

We can shut down this thread.

MIR and the rest can start a new thread on Christian extremism

dax, I would pull the lever for you or KSUW before I voted for Trump.  So the bar is set pretty low.

I am quite centrist and even very liberal on many issues.   I'd be a fantastic president.   Infrastructure projects alone would be amazing . . . and fewer world destinations and more home time for our men and women in uniform.

You’ve got my attention and possibly my vote. What are the very liberal issues?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on May 15, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
I’d vote for dax purely on the fact that the entire country would have 1 GB/s fiber internets
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 15, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
23?

24.  bullock got in yesterday or the day before.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2019, 11:11:52 PM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold.

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Ha. I think somebody is conveniently forgetting 9/11.

How about the Civil War? Christianity was then, and continues in some circles today, used as justification for slavery.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 16, 2019, 09:28:19 AM
That doesn’t really seem like the same thing at all. Why not also chalk up the American Revolution to Christian zealotry since the Declaration of Independence references God given rights?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 16, 2019, 11:46:25 AM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold.

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Ha. I think somebody is conveniently forgetting 9/11.

How about the Civil War? Christianity was then, and continues in some circles today, used as justification for slavery.

Well, the abolitionist movement and an overwhelming majority of its leaders were Christian.  But you are right, many in the South cherry-picked scripture to justify slavery.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 16, 2019, 11:48:21 AM
Yeah bro, I don’t have a problem with calling a spade a spade. If some guy blows up a mosque or whatever in the name of Christianity they’re a Christian extremist. That kid that shot up the black church in SC is a White Nationalist extremist.

Edit to add: I think differentiating between different types of terrorism (or any problem) is important, because combatting each one probably takes a different approach.

It’s my belief that Islamic terrorism is more about US/European intervention in the Middle East than anything else. They don’t attack us because we have money or we’re free or whatever. They attack us because we don’t mind our own business. We’ve created enemies and it’s been happening for decades.

The amount of people killed in this country because of Christian zealotry dwarfs that of Muslim zealotry, thousands fold.

(https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/240/apple/198/thinking-face_1f914.png)
Ha. I think somebody is conveniently forgetting 9/11.

How about the Civil War? Christianity was then, and continues in some circles today, used as justification for slavery.

Well, the abolitionist movement and an overwhelming majority of its leaders were motivated to end slavery because of their Christian beliefs.  But you are right, many in the South cherry-picked scripture to justify slavery.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2019, 12:24:35 AM
That doesn’t really seem like the same thing at all. Why not also chalk up the American Revolution to Christian zealotry since the Declaration of Independence references God given rights?

The American Revolution was about taxation without representation, the Civil War was about states rights and those rights were the ability to keep slaves. As _33 pointed out, the bible was used as a justification for slavery. No one used the bible as justification for not paying exorbitant taxes or dumping tea in the Atlantic. I'm not going to call you a name like I'm tempted to do, but man, go read a 4th grade social studies book.

I'd also like to acknowledge the fantastic point that _33 made that many abolitionists were Christians. Very similar to the 99% of Muslims who follow the peaceful teachings of the religion and are horrified by terrorism. I think it's also appropriate to point out that Muslims are far and away the greatest victims of terror. The phrase Islamic Extremism isn't used when a suicide bomber kills 8 children in a Somali park or when 10 Syrians are gunned down, it's only used when acts of terror are perpetrated against white people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2019, 06:24:07 AM
That doesn’t really seem like the same thing at all. Why not also chalk up the American Revolution to Christian zealotry since the Declaration of Independence references God given rights?

No one used the bible as justification for not paying exorbitant taxes or dumping tea in the Atlantic. I'm not going to call you a name like I'm tempted to do, but man, go read a 4th grade social studies book.

Quote from: Samuel rough ridin' Adams
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.

II. The Rights of the Colonists as Christians.

These may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 17, 2019, 06:51:01 AM
Federalist Papers?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2019, 06:55:10 AM
Eh, doesn’t show up on Tapatalk I guess. It’s a quote from Sam Adams: https://history.hanover.edu/texts/adamss.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 17, 2019, 07:03:30 AM
Thanks

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2019, 07:37:38 AM
Samuel Adams should have just stuck to making beer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 17, 2019, 08:13:07 AM
He's not really that good at beer making IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2019, 08:14:15 AM
He's not really that good at beer making IMO.

Probably because he spent so much time blogging about politics.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2019, 08:53:36 AM
Sam's a pretty average brewer, his OctoberFest isn't bad.  The rest is pretty meh or worse.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 17, 2019, 09:05:16 AM
Dax is mostly right on this one, but the Rebel IPA series is p good IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
T&P's to all the marginalized resident ProgLib Derps . . . the majority of your party just wants their corrupt Neo-Con with a (D)  next to their name, back in the oval office.



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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
fighting fire with fire

the last election proved that this is what america demands from a candidate

no way are we just going to sit on the sideline and let pubs corner the market on creepy, draft dodging, corrupt, septuagenarians

fool us once bro,
fool us once
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2019, 11:54:14 AM
fighting fire with fire

the last election proved that this is what america demands from a candidate

no way are we just going to sit on the sideline and let pubs corner the market on creepy, draft dodging, corrupt, septuagenarians

fool us once bro,
fool us once

Well friend, NeoCon Joe never met a war he didn't want (hopefully Trump can avoid this), was a huge advocate of the Clinton's "bring them to heal" sentencing initiative (Trump has been the opposite), and the personal/family financial enrichment while in office is TBD on the Trump side, right now ChiCom Joe and family sit in the billions. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
so he is way better at being a pub than Don.

what's the prob
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
so he is way better at being a pub than Don.

what's the prob

It's not my problem, it's just sad (to once again) see the majority of LibDerp Nation essentially saying they have no true ideals beyond partisanship.  FTR, many pubs have the same problem.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
Yes it is the problem of partisan politic.

that being said I am not sure pubs currently have a moral high ground to speak from.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2019, 11:08:51 PM
Sam's a pretty average brewer, his OctoberFest isn't bad.  The rest is pretty meh or worse.

That Cherry Wheat is fire. Incidentally the first time I had that was at my first ever Pak.

RIP Wichita Pak'rs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on May 18, 2019, 12:31:28 AM
Lm entire ao at anybody ever drinking a sam adams
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 18, 2019, 01:52:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1129812714308734976

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2019, 04:25:20 PM
Lm entire ao at anybody ever drinking a sam adams

I drank several dozen Winter Lagers at Washington Reagan one 4 hour delay. I have a soft spot for that one to this day.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2019, 11:59:10 AM
Oh mo, you can just stop the too cool for school bullshit now. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2019, 12:06:55 PM
https://twitter.com/jfnyc1/status/1129964564085465089?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 19, 2019, 12:57:39 PM
Is he blind?  That's not right in the pussy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 19, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 19, 2019, 01:01:32 PM
At this point Joe might as well just lean into it. He’ll need to do something to steal some Trump airtime if he’s the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 19, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Joe has been dishing out extremely horny embraces his entire life. You can’t just flip that switch to non-horny over night.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 19, 2019, 05:31:21 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2019, 05:39:20 PM
Joe appears to have this wrapped up. 

Resident, utterly marginalized and ignored ProgLibs please post your thoughts below. 

Joe Biden:   A corrupt NeoCon that mainstream LibDerp Nation can believe in!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 19, 2019, 06:39:40 PM
Joe Biden, bottom 5 Dem currently running and huge improvement over Trump.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 19, 2019, 06:43:04 PM
2016: DRAIN THE SWAMP

2020: Ok let’s at least bring the swamp level back down to where it was in 2016
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on May 19, 2019, 06:47:41 PM
If the best the ‘crats can offer is Joe they deserve 4 more years of trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 20, 2019, 04:30:13 AM
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She's the best.
Also
https://twitter.com/emarvelous/status/1129757243816255488
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 20, 2019, 08:16:10 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/status/1130258092569124865?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 09:19:02 AM
Joe Biden, bottom 5 Dem currently running and huge improvement over Trump.


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 . . . I'm going to hold my nose . . .

I finished it off for you.   Sorry your party hates you.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 20, 2019, 09:49:04 AM
Joe Biden, bottom 5 Dem currently running and huge improvement over Trump.


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 . . . I'm going to hold my nose . . .

I finished it off for you.   Sorry your party hates you.

Thanks for the condolences.  I assume you had to hold your nose when you voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 20, 2019, 09:50:16 AM
And it will be easier for me to vote for Biden then it was to vote for Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 11:43:49 AM
And it will be easier for me to vote for Biden then it was to vote for Hillary.

If you need to vote for a guy who clearly used the power of his office as VPOTUS to enrich his family to the tune of billions of dollars of Chinese money, knock yourself out, friend.   He even flew his son to China on AF2 to close the deal with the Bank of China.

Ballsy.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2019, 11:52:49 AM
Agree with dax that Biden is clearly a better choice than trump
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 20, 2019, 12:52:49 PM
I mean, if being a significantly better option than Trump is the requirement we’ve got a lot of viable candidates in both parties and indy.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 01:11:11 PM
Joe Biden:  The kind of mega corruption LibDerp Nation can look past because Orange Man:Bad

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2019, 01:12:41 PM
I mean, you still defend trump because you think Hillary Clinton is literally a demon from hell that smells like sulfur
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on May 20, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
I’m not going to vote for Biden in the primary. But if he wins the nomination I most certainly will vote for him. 


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 01:29:52 PM
I mean, you still defend trump because you think Hillary Clinton is literally a demon from hell that smells like sulfur

Of your 1000's of awful posts, that's probably the most awful-awful.  Congrats . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
I’m not going to vote for Biden in the primary. But if he wins the nomination I most certainly will vote for him. 


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If . . .  :lol:

I will give him credit, he's not going to have to use any of his ChiCom money to buy the DNC.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on May 21, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1130486501517778945?s=21

:thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 21, 2019, 09:51:52 AM
She's the best.
Also
https://twitter.com/emarvelous/status/1129757243816255488

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1130847896432046082

other thing to note, Pete doesn't even register for black men
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 21, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1130895217903710209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 21, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
https://twitter.com/jfnyc1/status/1129964564085465089?s=21

welp, just found out this is his wife. incredibly horny hugs are ok with her I guess. still lol though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 21, 2019, 03:12:38 PM
As ChiCom Joe puts a headlock on the Dem nomination, please list below some of the tricks the Biden campaign, along with their willing accomplices in the DNC will employ to keep the "competition" at arms length, I'll start:

-Biden campaign will push for highly restrictive, highly controlled debates
-Lobby DNC hard for super pacs to fall in line
-Friendly interviews only

Now you disenfranchised resident ProgLibs add to the list in your responses.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 21, 2019, 03:16:59 PM
It will never not be amazing how dax totally freaks out about any candidate that is not Trump, who also happens to be the candidate that BY FAR warrants the most freaking out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 21, 2019, 03:21:10 PM
It’s worrying


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 21, 2019, 05:06:17 PM
It will never not be amazing how dax totally freaks out about any candidate that is not Trump, who also happens to be the candidate that BY FAR warrants the most freaking out.

It truly is amazing that anyone thinks that I'm "freaking out".   

First off, I'm leaning towards preferring Trump not run again, and Haley moving up her Presidential aspirations 4 years.

What is amazing is knowing that right now the Dem front runner is 100% at his core everything that New LibDerp Nation supposedly hates.    Watching you guys vacillate back and forth between New Neo Cons and ProgLibs is just amazing.     Joe will keep invoking Obama and that's all it takes for 98% of LibDerp Nation.   No matter how f_cked up Obama's policies were, and how in so many ways he only made all the things you guys melted down about Bush . . . worse.  It doesn't matter to LibDerp Nation.   That's why Joe Biden is your guy, and it's hilarious.   :lol: :lol: :lol:



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 21, 2019, 05:16:22 PM
You can say eff on gE.c
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 21, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
You can say eff on gE.c

Family board
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 21, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jfnyc1/status/1129964564085465089?s=21

welp, just found out this is his wife. incredibly horny hugs are ok with her I guess. still lol though.

Without even looking it up you could tell because he kisses her first. That doesn’t stop a Dax freak out though. :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 21, 2019, 08:48:06 PM
I have faith that diamond joe would lay a smooch on a random broad


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 21, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
The funny/awkward thing about the exchange is that she pulls the hands away like she’s thinking “damnit Joe we talked about this.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 07:11:12 AM
Harris announces wage gap plan, reporters instantly discover wage gap on her campaign staff

Sadly, stories like this will be muted because mega corrupt ChiCom Joe has a stranglehold on the Dem nomination, the usual suspects are falling in line. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 07:14:42 AM
https://twitter.com/jfnyc1/status/1129964564085465089?s=21

welp, just found out this is his wife. incredibly horny hugs are ok with her I guess. still lol though.

Without even looking it up you could tell because he kisses her first. That doesn’t stop a Dax freak out though. :lol:

Yeah a “freak out”.  Don’t start getting even more ragey because your guy is so compromised.  But I suspect you’re gonna lose your mind about every criticism of mega corrupt ChiCom Joe, just like you lose your mind about every perceived criticism of mega corrupt Hillary Clinton.  T&P’s
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2019, 07:30:28 AM
Biden loving on his wife reminds me of trump getting all horny grabbyhands with his daughter at the republican convention.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 07:31:58 AM
Biden loving on his wife reminds me of trump getting all horny grabbyhands with his daughter at the republican convention.

My fav is Ted Cruz’s entire family being unable to mask their repulsion of him.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 07:34:52 AM
All of Biden’s groping of other women/little girls is just an extension of his love for his wife. 

Fantastic re-direction guys.  Circling the wagons like pros as always.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2019, 07:49:33 AM
Dax, I apologize, I should have included a trigger warning for you on that last post.

@Chingon can ge.c get a trigger warning feature? I don't want to be responsible for extending dax's freak outs  :frown:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 07:52:55 AM
Dax, I apologize, I should have included a trigger warning for you on that last post.

@Chingon can ge.c get a trigger warning feature? I don't want to be responsible for extending dax's freak outs  :frown:

I’m commending you for not only clearly hopping on the Biden train, but already flying air cover for ChiCom Joe The Groper.

Reading you talk about how you’re so torn up about who to vote for the next two years is going to be fascinating.  Please post your Biden 2020 bumper stickers, signs, and lapel pins ASAP.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
All of Biden’s groping of other women/little girls is just an extension of his love for his wife. 

Fantastic re-direction guys.  Circling the wagons like pros as always.

dax, nobody said anything close to that. I think I'm pretty hilariously on record ITT on joe's daytime night moves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 07:56:14 AM
All of Biden’s groping of other women/little girls is just an extension of his love for his wife. 

Fantastic re-direction guys.  Circling the wagons like pros as always.

dax, nobody said anything close to that. I think I'm pretty hilariously on record ITT on joe's daytime night moves.

The one guy who I thought got gE’ing, doesn’t get gE’ing. 

#sad
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
so all these posts are just you goof'in? I will admit I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 22, 2019, 07:57:59 AM
It will never not be amazing how dax totally freaks out about any candidate that is not Trump, who also happens to be the candidate that BY FAR warrants the most freaking out.

It truly is amazing that anyone thinks that I'm "freaking out".   

First off, I'm leaning towards preferring Trump not run again, and Haley moving up her Presidential aspirations 4 years.

What is amazing is knowing that right now the Dem front runner is 100% at his core everything that New LibDerp Nation supposedly hates.    Watching you guys vacillate back and forth between New Neo Cons and ProgLibs is just amazing.     Joe will keep invoking Obama and that's all it takes for 98% of LibDerp Nation.   No matter how f_cked up Obama's policies were, and how in so many ways he only made all the things you guys melted down about Bush . . . worse.  It doesn't matter to LibDerp Nation.   That's why Joe Biden is your guy, and it's hilarious.   :lol: :lol: :lol:

No one on Earth could read Dax's post history and come to the conclusion that he has ever freaked out about anything. Mr. Cool.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:00:09 AM
It will never not be amazing how dax totally freaks out about any candidate that is not Trump, who also happens to be the candidate that BY FAR warrants the most freaking out.

It truly is amazing that anyone thinks that I'm "freaking out".   

First off, I'm leaning towards preferring Trump not run again, and Haley moving up her Presidential aspirations 4 years.

What is amazing is knowing that right now the Dem front runner is 100% at his core everything that New LibDerp Nation supposedly hates.    Watching you guys vacillate back and forth between New Neo Cons and ProgLibs is just amazing.     Joe will keep invoking Obama and that's all it takes for 98% of LibDerp Nation.   No matter how f_cked up Obama's policies were, and how in so many ways he only made all the things you guys melted down about Bush . . . worse.  It doesn't matter to LibDerp Nation.   That's why Joe Biden is your guy, and it's hilarious.   :lol: :lol: :lol:

No one on Earth could read Dax's post history and come to the conclusion that he has ever freaked out about anything. Mr. Cool.

Stick to cinder block walls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:01:21 AM
so all these posts are just you goof'in? I will admit I don't get it.

Watching you guys explain Joe is great stuff.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 08:03:50 AM
so all these posts are just you goof'in? I will admit I don't get it.

Watching you guys explain Joe is great stuff.

like, what do you mean here in non dax code? I assume since you quoted me I am included in the "you guys". can you direct me to my posts and what is great about them? because I know for a fact they are great, but don't think we mean the same thing by great in this instance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:16:14 AM
so all these posts are just you goof'in? I will admit I don't get it.

Watching you guys explain Joe is great stuff.

like, what do you mean here in non dax code? I assume since you quoted me I am included in the "you guys". can you direct me to my posts and what is great about them? because I know for a fact they are great, but don't think we mean the same thing by great in this instance.

If I have to explain . . .

Parody Poster LibDerp7 clearly jumped aboard this attempt to mitigate ChiCom McGropy . . . so now it's a joke, "Oh that Joe".   It's now not completely creepy, it's cute . . .  see, he does the same thing to his wife, it's just good ol Joe, he's never gonna change ha ha, gosh he's gonna do it again, oh, we're gonna cringe, but also chuckle a little, that crazy Joe . . . .   

Why is this so hard?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
Dax, I'm truly sorry that Biden embraces his wife in the same mcgropey way trump embraces his daughter. I'd stop it if I could.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:26:42 AM
Dax, I'm truly sorry that Biden embraces his wife in the same mcgropey way trump embraces his daughter. I'd stop it if I could.

Sadly your guy ChiCom Joe also gropes every other female that have the misfortune of being on stage with him or crossing his path, including little girls.

Parody Poster LibDerp7:  Proof the negative Flynn Effect has hit American shores

Sad

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 08:28:07 AM
massive sigh of relief as I learn I am not part of the "you guys". you're on your own Libderpposter69.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:39:41 AM
massive sigh of relief as I learn I am not part of the "you guys". you're on your own Libderpposter69.

Nope
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 22, 2019, 08:46:55 AM
I was finally motivated to look up "ChiCom."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 22, 2019, 08:48:13 AM
I was finally motivated to look up "ChiCom."

chicago comiskey park
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 22, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
I was finally motivated to look up "ChiCom."

chicago comiskey park

I'd thought it was a slam on chingon for something I'd missed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 08:57:00 AM
ChiCom, it's what Rush calls the Chinese and I post it because I know it rustles LibDerp7's jimmies a little since he's such a huge Limbaugh fan (and InfoWars).

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
Dax, I think you might be a little confused about my relationship with el rushbo and infowars.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 09:06:44 AM
Dax, I think you might be a little confused about my relationship with el rushbo and infowars.

I always say be true to yourself Parody Poster LibDerp7, you should give it a try.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 22, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/taibbi-tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/

Rolling Stone calls out smear campaign vs. progs Gabbard, Sanders
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 03:59:52 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/taibbi-tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/

Rolling Stone calls out smear campaign vs. progs Gabbard, Sanders

Considering that the ChiCom's have, like a whole crap ton of poser entities in the U.S. . . . you can bet Xi and company are going to ensure their guy, ChiCom Joe gets the nomination. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2019, 09:03:30 AM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/843150/pete-buttigieg-says-joe-biden-hasnt-already-earned-democratic-nomination

Oh Pete, it’s cute that you think that Big Dem  hasn’t already placed the first big order of T-Shirts, stickers, hats and custom labeled hand sanitizers for ChiCom Joe 2020.   (Select events will have ChiCom Joe Thumb Drives with hidden Chinese malware and phishing software pre-installed).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on May 24, 2019, 05:35:26 PM
poor Pete studs, I feel bad for them
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 26, 2019, 01:59:44 PM
his polling numbers are declining, my sense is that people are getting a little bored with him and i don't see any realistic pathway for him to win the nomination, but dude is going to bring in a shitload of money in q2.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/26/pete-buttigieg-fundraising-2020-1345001
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
It's building . . .

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Hillary-Clinton-in-Houston-on-Friday-13882043.php
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 26, 2019, 10:58:54 PM
Smart move by ChiCom Joe . . .

Keep the gaffes to a minimum, fewer opportunities to grope in public, no tough question on those ChiCom and Ukrainian billions.

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Biden-s-campaign-is-one-of-limited-exposure-13898011.php
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 27, 2019, 07:58:24 AM
Guess Joe's plagiarism isn't an issue since he withdrew and apologized in 1988.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2019, 11:37:38 AM
Biden-Clinton: 2020-twice the corruption

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 27, 2019, 06:17:12 PM
this is very interesting.  but i think the shorter-term volatility is important too.  i think it shows that there is a lot of room to change people's minds, even as these numbers suggest not many have changed their minds thus far.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1132296972789059584
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 27, 2019, 06:22:13 PM
my take on biden is that he's the +50% favorite, but not an overwhelming favorite.  in very round, very approximate numbers i'd put his odds at about 60%.

and without getting into specific %s, order the others as below in most likely to win.

harris, beto, booker, sanders, warren, the rest of the field not named individually, buttigieg.


note that this is not a predicted order of finish.  i can envision many, many iterations of the race when warren or sanders finishes second but not many where either wins.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on May 27, 2019, 06:28:44 PM
Sys's love affair with Beto is a study in adoration. Now he's showing his jealz abt Pete out-youthful-white-guy-ing Beto. It's really remarkable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 27, 2019, 06:45:16 PM
 :comehere:
Sys's love affair with Beto is a study in adoration. Now he's showing his jealz abt Pete out-youthful-white-guy-ing Beto. It's really remarkable.

i've tried to keep my beto propaganda in the other thread, and my analysis here.

i have beto as third most likely to win because he's a good fit to replace biden in the centrist/electability lane if biden falters.  as i said, it is not a predicted order of finish.  if biden doesn't falter, beto is likely to finish much lower than third.

i have buttigieg with a lower probability to win because his support is concentrated in a single demographic (highly educated white voters), because non-white voters show no discernible interest in supporting him and because i don't think he is going to be considered one of the most electable candidates by voters who are prioritizing electability.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 27, 2019, 07:07:12 PM
I mean if you go by supposed electability, you pretty much have to put all the white males on top, so advantage Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 27, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
 :comehere:
I mean if you go by supposed electability, you pretty much have to put all the white males on top, so advantage Pete.

no, i don't think so.  i think people perceive black candidates to be fairly electable, thanks to obama.  that's part of why i'm bullish on harris and especially booker.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 27, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
Harris = woman
Booker = Jersey

no chance
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
https://twitter.com/christianllamar/status/1133121879827337216?s=21

The cornerstones of the “bring them to heel”  draconian sentencing legislation.

Clinton-Biden
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2019, 10:45:43 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/28/biden-energy-crisis-1345359

It won't matter, the old guard is going to grease all the palms to ensure their guy gets the nomination.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2019, 10:51:00 PM
Beto apolotized to his staff for being an bad person.

Check-That one thing that Beto did right
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 29, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1133505331416453121?s=21

I don’t know whether to reverse course to my initial read of the situation that Biden will completely collapse once people are paying attention during debate season or whether he is the Democrat’s Trump and nothing matters any more and he just steamrolls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2019, 08:51:49 AM
We wouldn't have to deal with any of this crap if we would just set the maximum voting age at 60.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 29, 2019, 09:43:49 AM
sys, I made this for you.

(https://i.imgur.com/Gj8WZpK.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 29, 2019, 09:44:35 AM
Also working on Butti-ful, Bernie-ful, and Joe Say Can You See.  And maybe My Country Liz Of Thee, for MIR.  And By The Don's Early Light for KSUW and Dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 29, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on May 29, 2019, 10:39:02 AM
Will they be in the store later?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
So it begins;  the slow, steady, yet sure . . .choke out.

Get your Biden (Clinton?) 2020 Stickers Now!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/29/abc-univision-democratic-debate-1346099
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 29, 2019, 12:59:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/N2jO1XL.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 29, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
Well I am getting that.  Put up a link.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/the-beto-orourke-hangover-movie/

O’Rourke’s curious strategy for unseating Ted Cruz in the Senate combined oversharing boring stuff, which made him look vapid, and playing to liberals, which made him look liberal. He mistook Texas for California, and with his curious combination of affectless diction and random pauses, he even sounded like ur-Californian Keanu Reeves: “So thank you, for being part. Of something really. Exciting. That’s taking place in Texas right now.” Siri and Alexa have more lifelike intonations.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/N-BmxK-0Jts?t=26[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 29, 2019, 03:39:47 PM
Well I am getting that.  Put up a link.

https://shop.spreadshirt.com/100162802/-A110883165
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2019, 11:44:54 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/taibbi-tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/

Rolling Stone calls out smear campaign vs. progs Gabbard, Sanders

I posted about Gabbard the day after the presidential election, when I was researching her then the stuff Tabbi is crying about were already issues for her nationally and in Hawaii. To act like she's being victimized by hit pieces because she's a candidate is laughable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2019, 11:54:39 PM
_33 those shirts are fantastic, if you do a Liz one I'm definitely buying. Your KC shirts are :love: especially the LoCain one, but the Chiefs and Roys aren't by thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dmartin on May 30, 2019, 07:54:13 AM
_33 those shirts are fantastic, if you do a Liz one I'm definitely buying. Your KC shirts are :love: especially the LoCain one, but the Chiefs and Roys aren't by thing.

Perhaps an "America the Busio-ful" or "A-Melia the Beautiful" shirt for the Sporting KC fans? Looking at the roster, it's the best I could come up with.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
It's a bit dated, but I am proud of Liz "special treatment" Warren for proclaiming that she's not going to get "Hillary'd" in 2020.

Bold . . .

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
Is there a more internally corrupt political entity in the United States than the DNC?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/29/bernie-sanders-supporters-distrust-joe-biden-poll-/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 30, 2019, 04:10:31 PM
So it begins;  the slow, steady, yet sure . . .choke out.

Get your Biden (Clinton?) 2020 Stickers Now!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/29/abc-univision-democratic-debate-1346099

You've been on such a meltdown the last 2 days that I forgot to ask you what exactly you find unseamly about raising the entrance bar at the third debate from polling at 1% to 2%?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 04:11:58 PM
So it begins;  the slow, steady, yet sure . . .choke out.

Get your Biden (Clinton?) 2020 Stickers Now!

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/29/abc-univision-democratic-debate-1346099

You've been on such a meltdown the last 2 days that I forgot to ask you what exactly you find unseamly about raising the entrance bar at the third debate from polling at 1% to 2%?

Nothing unseemly at all, but the DNC is involved, so it's likely a process laced with corruption, the entire organization should be investigated . . . smells like, RICO.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 30, 2019, 04:14:38 PM
They will have 20+ candidates for the first 2, you have to pare down at some point.

Of course this is prime daxspiracy material tho rofl
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 30, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
Just remembering when dax melted down when the Republicans limited their first 2016 primary debate to 10 of 17 candidates  :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
Just remembering when dax melted down when the Republicans limited their first 2016 primary debate to 10 of 17 candidates  :curse:

The DNC has earned the tag of a corrupt organization.   You of all people should be outraged.   





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on May 30, 2019, 05:00:53 PM
Everyone stay out of Joe's way, He says he knows whats best for the Negro.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 30, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
the debate reqs seem pretty well calibrated to me.  inclusive at first, gives less known candidates two opportunities to get attention.

then a pretty harsh paring down to serious candidates.  we'll see if lesser candidates can game the system, but 130k donors and 2% would cull down to like 6 candidates right now.  maybe 8 or 9 by the time the time the third debate comes in?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 30, 2019, 06:01:44 PM
the debate reqs seem pretty well calibrated to me.  inclusive at first, gives less known candidates two opportunities to get attention.

then a pretty harsh paring down to serious candidates.  we'll see if lesser candidates can game the system, but 130k donors and 2% would cull down to like 6 candidates right now.  maybe 8 or 9 by the time the time the third debate comes in?

Sys, I think the main question that is on everyone's mind regarding this election is:  Do you like that Beto shirt I made for you?!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 31, 2019, 12:11:18 AM
Do you like that Beto shirt I made for you?!

not really.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2019, 06:29:06 AM
Heartless


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2019, 07:25:25 AM
Sys keeps it real, respect.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on May 31, 2019, 08:09:45 AM
Do you like that Beto shirt I made for you?!

not really.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/45368dab052be954c89aa3e9121be880/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2019, 10:40:34 PM
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1134661778338484224
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 31, 2019, 11:00:05 PM
Like, 1 BTC worth!?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 01, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

she's getting tons of momentum (still polling at about half of sanders) at overtaking sanders for the lead in left lane in the primary.  sanders had that lane all to himself in 2016 and he still got his ass kicked.

if you go back a week to when i updated my very approximate odds by candidate, i basically put all the moderate lane candidates in order and then ordered the left lane candidates after them.  because there are a lot more moderate voters than left-wing voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 01, 2019, 10:06:21 PM
No crap?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 03, 2019, 11:03:40 AM
People criticize Bernie as having plans that are “utopian” or “never going to happen” but this crap is just next level.  Bernie has goals like universal healthcare, free public college and other things that exist in dozens of other industrialized first world countries. Pete is ready to risk it all for a 3 episode arc in the Weat Wing reboot.  Pete’s plan also has the downside of not actually helping anyone at all even if enacted.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190603/8eaafcc65bc786ac056c54feb3966244.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2019, 11:22:49 AM
No thanks, we brought our government mandated trolls . . .

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/elizabeth-warren-corporatism-progressive-ideological-ends/


Using corporations as instruments of politics is attractive to politicians for many reasons, cowardice prominent among them. If Senator Warren wants to increase the purchasing power of low-income workers by $1 trillion, she could propose legislation that would entail the appropriation of money for this purpose and distribute that $1 trillion to the workers in question on any terms she saw fit. But that would bring with it difficulties: That $1 trillion appropriation would show up on the budget, which would mean an uncomfortable discussion about raising taxes to pay for it (Senator Warren has fanciful views about taxation, the progressive version of “voodoo economics”) or its contribution to the deficit (which is why the Obama administration leaned on the CBO to endorse, jaw clenched, its ludicrous claims about the debt-reducing features of the Affordable Care Act) and more. The politically expedient alternative to that is to impose a mandate on businesses to pay those workers an additional $1 trillion in wages or benefits, which shows up on the books as a regulation rather than as an expenditure. When government proposes to spend money, somebody — Senator Paul, Representative Amash — can be counted on to ask, “How do we pay for this?” The corporatist model says to businesses: “You can figure out how to pay for this.”

Subordinating business interests to political mandates in the matter of economic policy is old hat. But politics is more than a question of taxing and spending, and American progressives are now pushing corporatism to purely ideological ends, for instance by deputizing Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other tech companies to act as proxy censors to suppress political speech that progressives do not wish to be spoken, and using employers ranging from Silicon Valley giants to Starbucks and fast-food restaurants as enforcers of political discipline, dismissing senior executives and obscure food-service workers alike for their private political views and speech. The business corporation has become the disciplinary corporation, an instrument of direct social domination put to explicitly political and ideological ends.


The perverse aspect of the contemporary progressives’ remix of classic corporatism is that the very people who believe themselves to be the main check on corporate power are working to aggrandize corporate power in ways that are without close precedent, their nearest analogue being the old “company town” model of corporate paternalism, which is not universally admired by the American Left. The danger is that the ability and inclination to satisfy the cultural, political, and social sensibilities of the Fortune 500 will become in practice a condition of full citizenship.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 03, 2019, 04:05:46 PM
People criticize Bernie as having plans that are “utopian” or “never going to happen” but this crap is just next level.  Bernie has goals like universal healthcare, free public college and other things that exist in dozens of other industrialized first world countries. Pete is ready to risk it all for a 3 episode arc in the Weat Wing reboot.  Pete’s plan also has the downside of not actually helping anyone at all even if enacted.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190603/8eaafcc65bc786ac056c54feb3966244.jpg)

I kinda like the idea in principal, but don't think there's any way to get there without a constitutional amendment (and even then not sure how you'd word it).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 03, 2019, 04:46:01 PM
I don't like anything that involves "sides"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on June 03, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
pete, no.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 03, 2019, 06:21:34 PM
Whoa whoa whoa hands off Joe! Chicom and libderp nation bend over to the man and Hillary Clinton at the DNC Barry at it again.

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1135575368050577408

(https://i.giphy.com/media/wWT7Clw42FKXC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 03, 2019, 06:45:56 PM
The Big Tuck prefers his straight party (D) ballot to be as corrupt as possible.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on June 03, 2019, 09:21:43 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/K5ZxS7x/Screen-Shot-2019-06-03-at-1-06-50-PM.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2019, 10:16:45 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: j rake on June 04, 2019, 10:52:29 AM
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1134661778338484224

i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

that said, i agree with you, warren is a much bigger threat than her longshot odds suggest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 04, 2019, 11:36:08 AM
i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

lol.  unless you've cashed out, in which case, good call.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 04, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
it's very funny that people are just now noticing that buttigieg's court crap is stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 04, 2019, 11:40:13 AM
https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/1135633462038339589
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2019, 11:40:33 AM
Oakland . . . good stop for Lyin Liz, near the Technocrats she's going to empower exponentially.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2019, 11:42:22 AM
https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/1135633462038339589

None of ChiCom Joe's confusion is going to deter the majority of LibDerp Nation from supporting him.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: j rake on June 04, 2019, 11:52:35 AM
i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

lol.  unless you've cashed out, in which case, good call.

i did it back when all he had was an exploratory committee, mostly at odds of 15-1 or better, so i'll say it was a good call regardless of what happens considering his odds are now 4-1 to win the dem nomination. :)

that said, even as his poll numbers are increasing, i haven't seen a ton of substance in the last month or so. and he spent way too much time preaching his values rather than putting out policy ideas. i still think he has a better chance than bernie, and a slightly better chance (for now) than warren. but the more coverage warren gets, the more she'll climb. i don't agree with much of her stuff, but she talks about issues people care about, comes off as super sincere, and articulates her message extremely well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 04, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
i did it back when all he had was an exploratory committee, mostly at odds of 15-1 or better, so i'll say it was a good call regardless of what happens considering his odds are now 4-1 to win the dem nomination. :)

your timing was excellent, but if you placed a bet instead of using a prediction market, how can you profit from it?


that said, even as his poll numbers are increasing, i haven't seen a ton of substance in the last month or so. and he spent way too much time preaching his values rather than putting out policy ideas.

they've been decreasing for a while now, but i agree with you that he missed a chance to define his candidacy around a policy and that's part of what's hurting him.


i still think he has a better chance than bernie, and a slightly better chance (for now) than warren.

but the more coverage warren gets, the more she'll climb. i don't agree with much of her stuff, but she talks about issues people care about, comes off as super sincere, and articulates her message extremely well.

i don't see a path for him.  either demographically or ideologically.

i go back and forth on which left-wing candidate is most likely to finish 2nd to a moderate candidate.  at the moment i'm more in the mood of the bernie bros will never abandon him, but i've been on the other side recently.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on June 05, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
https://twitter.com/JonEasley/status/1136325520243773440
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 12:57:47 PM
If there's any segment of citizenry in our nation that can recognize and rally around a good solid NeoCon . ..  that's Texans.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 05, 2019, 04:02:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1136278963376967689

De Blasio polling even with Beto is pretty shocking.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on June 05, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
The comments on this are great.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2019, 05:36:56 PM
Xi and Vlad are betting each other on who they can install/reinstall in 2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
ChiCom Joe's campaign is full of fresh and new organic ideas for our country.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-bidens-climate-platform-appears-to-plagiarize-from-nonprofits/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on June 06, 2019, 08:22:09 AM
ChiCom Joe's campaign is full of fresh and new organic ideas for our country.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-bidens-climate-platform-appears-to-plagiarize-from-nonprofits/
Nothing to see here. Move along.

Oh wait. We already knew he likes to plagiarize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/echoes-of-bidens-1987-plagiarism-scandal-continue-to-reverberate/2019/06/05/dbaf3716-7292-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html

Dems don't care because he's not Trump and Joe's their only moderate hope.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
ChiCom Joe's campaign is full of fresh and new organic ideas for our country.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-bidens-climate-platform-appears-to-plagiarize-from-nonprofits/
Nothing to see here. Move along.

Oh wait. We already knew he likes to plagiarize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/echoes-of-bidens-1987-plagiarism-scandal-continue-to-reverberate/2019/06/05/dbaf3716-7292-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html

Dems don't care because he's not Trump and Joe's their only moderate hope.

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If at first you don't win with a lifetime political mega corrupt old white person . . . try again with a lifetime political mega corrupt old white person (the modern day Democratic party)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 07, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mikegravel/status/1137033981008973825?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 08, 2019, 01:22:46 AM
i watched biden's speech in atlanta last night.  he seemed old.

he's also been getting more polls in the low 30s (one at 27, although it seemed like it might have had a bad sample for him).  things may get interesting after all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2019, 06:47:39 AM
He seemed old because he’s old AF and shouldn’t be allowed to run


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
not that he was running 'crat but schultz basically bowed out today. laid off all of his staff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:13:16 PM
warren has gotten some good polls lately.


hey sanders voters on this board, will you switch your support and vote for warren if she clearly overtakes him in support or go down with the ship?
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Warren is winning this deal (as foretold by very good sports bettor sd like a month ago).


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
warren has gotten some good polls lately.


hey sanders voters on this board, will you switch your support and vote for warren if she clearly overtakes him in support or go down with the ship?

not sure what this means. caucus for Bernie if he is in single digits and Warren is wrapping the nomination up?  Vote for Trump in the general?

neither of those things.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
then what thing kk?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:31:57 PM
then what thing kk?

What would be the exact knife edge at which I would switch?  I don't know.  sys needs to define his terms, he's being lazy with this question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:41:23 PM
sys doesn't know your motives or triggers though. you do and can generally qualify/quantify them and your reaction to them without making him poke around at it until he isolates them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:41:50 PM
just answer the rough ridin' question kat kid, jesus scuba diving christ.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:46:30 PM
not sure what this means. caucus for Bernie if he is in single digits and Warren is wrapping the nomination up?  Vote for Trump in the general?

neither of those things.

ks dems have a primary now (ranked choice!), i think (so that actually kinda makes it too easy for you.  non-kansan answers may be more interesting).


anyways yeah, i'm asking about the primary.  like if warren is polling competitively with a more moderate candidate and sanders is way behind that, who would you vote for?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:47:11 PM
Warren is winning this deal (as foretold by very good sports bettor sd like a month ago).

still not enough white people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:47:49 PM
Couple things:

1)  my "support" will likely consist of liking things on twitter with the occasional RT, posting about it on goEMAW and being annoying to people on twitter DMs and IRL.  I'm (like Bernie!) not even a registered Democrat currently so don't even know if I will participate in the caucus (I didn't in '16) so I'm not sure what he means by "support" but it doesn't probably amount to much anyways

2)  I don't know what "down with the ship" means
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 03:48:25 PM
Warren is winning this deal (as foretold by very good sports bettor sd like a month ago).

still not enough white people.

AS FORETOLD
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:49:27 PM
Couple things:

1)  my "support" will likely consist of liking things on twitter with the occasional RT, posting about it on goEMAW and being annoying to people on twitter DMs and IRL.  I'm (like Bernie!) not even a registered Democrat currently so don't even know if I will participate in the caucus (I didn't in '16) so I'm not sure what he means by "support" but it doesn't probably amount to much anyways

2)  I don't know what "down with the ship" means

you don't vote?  jfc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
not sure what this means. caucus for Bernie if he is in single digits and Warren is wrapping the nomination up?  Vote for Trump in the general?

neither of those things.

ks dems have a primary now (ranked choice!), i think (so that actually kinda makes it too easy for you.  non-kansan answers may be more interesting).


anyways yeah, i'm asking about the primary. like if warren is polling competitively with a more moderate candidate and sanders is way behind that, who would you vote for?

sounds like both! (if I remember to get over and register as a Dem, which this conversation will probably inspire me to remember to do!)

I will have to look more at ranked choice to see but I would imagine those two would be my #1/#2 in most circumstances unless I thought I could sandbag Biden/reasonably help Bernie more by putting like de Blasio higher than Warren.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
let's pretend i'm wrong about the ranked choice thing.  then who would you vote for?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
Couple things:

1)  my "support" will likely consist of liking things on twitter with the occasional RT, posting about it on goEMAW and being annoying to people on twitter DMs and IRL.  I'm (like Bernie!) not even a registered Democrat currently so don't even know if I will participate in the caucus (I didn't in '16) so I'm not sure what he means by "support" but it doesn't probably amount to much anyways

2)  I don't know what "down with the ship" means

you don't vote?  jfc.

of course I do!  But I wasn't registered as a Dem and didn't participate in the Republican primary in 2016.  Still registered as a Republican.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 03:55:21 PM
let's pretend i'm wrong about the ranked choice thing.  then who would you vote for?

It would depend on the circumstance!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 03:58:05 PM
ok.  then, as sd asked, identify your tipping point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 04:08:35 PM
ok.  then, as sd asked, identify your tipping point.

1. If it is Biden that is clearly going to win, 100% as protest vote
2. If it is Biden and he is Clinton 2016ing it up (likely winner but keeps rough ridin' up his own coronation) and there are like 4 others lurking/waiting for him to do something even dumber than the other million dumb things he did just yesterday, almost certainly still Bernie assuming he isn't like 5th
3. If it is Biden vs. Warren as the only hope 100% Warren
4. If Kamala comes out more stongly for Medicare for All and some of Bernie's other policies and Warren is still kind of waffling on Medicare for All, then maybe Kamala.

I kind of wonder if Bernie would endorse Warren if she overtakes him and he is 0-3 on early states.  But I think that is unlikely given polling in NH.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 12, 2019, 04:14:32 PM
i'm assuming it's going to get ugly btwn them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2019, 04:16:59 PM
i'm assuming it's going to get ugly btwn them.

Incredibly ironic given Bernie's moment started with Warren not running against Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
i'm assuming it's going to get ugly btwn them.

when they met for dinner and tried to talk each other out of running it was the only possible outcome
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 14, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/politics/democratic-debates-2020.html

First debate grouping is out
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on June 14, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/politics/democratic-debates-2020.html

First debate grouping is out
Seems like a great draw for our good friend sys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 14, 2019, 04:30:13 PM
the opposite, i think.  the 2nd night will presumably get better viewership and beto won't get the chance to directly contrast with most of the candidates above him in the polls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 14, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
This format is so bad lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on June 16, 2019, 01:22:05 PM
Probably good to keep in mind:
https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1140252597011570688?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 16, 2019, 01:23:03 PM
The DNC Broke and borrowing money.

The RNC sitting on $82 million in cash..

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 16, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
Probably good to keep in mind:
https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1140252597011570688?s=21

Yeah but Trump was polling #1 for the first debate IIRC.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 16, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
Lol no, he was 9th or 10th in polling for the first debate. A lot of people didn't think he'd even qualify.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 16, 2019, 07:11:48 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-announces-candidate-line-up-for-prime-time-debate

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Trump, meanwhile, has continued to climb in the polls despite attracting the ire of fellow Republicans for recently questioning Sen. John McCain's war record.

In the latest Fox News poll, Trump got the support of 26 percent of primary voters -- the highest level of support for any candidate so far and up from 18 percent in mid-July.

According to Wikipedia that was the first debate.

So looks like I RC’ed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 16, 2019, 07:26:36 PM
Well lol @ me
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on June 17, 2019, 01:44:47 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-announces-candidate-line-up-for-prime-time-debate

Quote
Trump, meanwhile, has continued to climb in the polls despite attracting the ire of fellow Republicans for recently questioning Sen. John McCain's war record.

In the latest Fox News poll, Trump got the support of 26 percent of primary voters -- the highest level of support for any candidate so far and up from 18 percent in mid-July.

According to Wikipedia that was the first debate.

So looks like I RC’ed.
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 03:49:39 AM
https://twitter.com/afrancotx/status/1142892119348121601?s=21

Could Pete win South Bend??
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 06:13:20 AM
https://twitter.com/yasminradjy/status/1142470268092391424?s=21

A celebration of birth at Planned Parenthood

LOL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2019, 06:25:54 AM
A lot of people think planned parenthood is an abortion factory


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
A lot of people think planned parenthood is an abortion factory


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I’m not one of them . . . relax super serious guy (who will say he isn’t).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2019, 09:11:31 AM
Pete is cooked.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2019, 10:21:53 AM
no idea what is going on with this poll but it seems like an outlier?

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1143533063080726530
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
maybe not

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1143553623713959936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2019, 02:00:16 PM
Buttigieg now getting yelled at by both the AA community AND the cops.  What a rare feat he is pulling off here.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaShortWNDU/status/1143295520456302600
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2019, 02:40:05 PM
Really good tool for looking at support for 2020 dem field

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/ (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 25, 2019, 08:46:32 PM
Really good tool for looking at support for 2020 dem field

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/ (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/)

yes, this is awesome.


what results in the previous polls were you discussing as outliers or not?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 25, 2019, 09:29:35 PM
man, some of those candidate plots are eye-opening - sometimes an unexpected skew, but mostly seeing the magnitude of a known skew.  buttigieg's is pretty lol in magnitude in so many of the categories.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2019, 06:08:36 AM
Really good tool for looking at support for 2020 dem field

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/ (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/)

yes, this is awesome.


what results in the previous polls were you discussing as outliers or not?
Everyone couldn’t shut up about the Warren is second, Bernie losing ground narrative (and Biden’s 30+%) and those two polls had none of those things.

I’m coming round to the view that Biden’s African-American support may not be as loyal as he thinks and in the next four months might leave him if he isn’t the safe road to victory everyone thinks, or if he starts taking major hits on his record.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2019, 06:15:21 AM
man, some of those candidate plots are eye-opening - sometimes an unexpected skew, but mostly seeing the magnitude of a known skew.  buttigieg's is pretty lol in magnitude in so many of the categories.

Yeah Pete’s support being all white college and terrible among all other demos was pretty lol.

Warren has a similar problem. 

Bernie’s 15% seems like his absolute bottom, but he is going to have to work pretty hard to get past 30% this time I think.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
Pete . . . clinging to a toe hold in South Bend INDIANA opts to run for POTUS  :lol: :lol:

Meanwhile Beto is having his jeans starched and ironed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2019, 10:24:05 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1143902231781150722

I agree
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 26, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
Everyone couldn’t shut up about the Warren is second, Bernie losing ground narrative (and Biden’s 30+%) and those two polls had none of those things.

there have been some good twitter expositions in the last few days on some pretty obvious house effects some of the polls have and how the internet panel polls are bouncing around way more than the live call polls, which kinda makes sense.

at any rate, because of those huge skews, buttigieg and to a lesser extent warren, are going to bounce around more depending on how the poll samples and weights their samples.

to look for movement nationally, i pretty much just stick with the morning consult, because it's huge, it's weekly and it's an apples to apples.  it may be off by a fair bit for some candidates (or it may not be), but if you're just comparing it to itself, you should be able to see any movement or lack thereof.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on June 26, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-democratic-presidential-candidate-policies/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 26, 2019, 07:00:05 PM
this is pretty nice.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-poll/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on June 26, 2019, 07:43:16 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1144039359512862720
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
Anyone else watching this besides me and the juice?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2019, 09:33:08 PM
https://twitter.com/kimstrassel/status/1144049204446130176?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 26, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
I played, didn't get that drunk
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on June 26, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
Didn't watch, I'll wait for OJ's take.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on June 26, 2019, 10:10:30 PM
Anyone else watching this besides me and the juice?

I turned it on about an hour ago.  Pretty much a shitshow, Chuck Todd is a terrible moderator.

Why are Delaney and Deblasio and Inslee even there.
Tulsi came off the top rope onto Tim Ryan's face.  Good for Tulsi but not enough.
Castro did pretty well IMO, I think he really improved his stock and visibility
Beto was uneven, probably sucked overall but I thought his closing was good
Booker - meh, I think he's an empty suit but I suspect people think he did well
Klobuchar - meh, very little charisma
Liz was obviously the best, she was talking a lot when I first started watching then she disappeared until the end.

Did I mention all of them?  It feels like I'm one short but who the hell can keep up with so many candidates.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on June 26, 2019, 10:14:54 PM
Tim Ryan doubling down on Afghanistan and the taliban boogeyman felt like a fighter taking a dive in the middle rounds. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 26, 2019, 11:25:19 PM
DVR'd and watching now 25 minutes in.  Warren and my man Castro are solid.  Beto has been a huge disappointment.  Like, dude you got criticized for not having any concrete policies already and you're going to just speak in platitudes every time you get a question?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on June 26, 2019, 11:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1144057132075180032?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 03:29:18 AM
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1144070046056165376?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 27, 2019, 06:18:19 AM
I didn’t watch. Who did best and who did worst?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on June 27, 2019, 07:03:23 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 07:12:36 AM
https://twitter.com/nycpba/status/1144042853166997506?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 07:21:40 AM
https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1144051123688542208?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on June 27, 2019, 08:09:50 AM
https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1144078210260504576
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 08:23:11 AM
Approximately 1,461 +/- 2 days of perpetual, roiling cauldron Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation rage   :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:

Amaze

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 27, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
That was a very good dax sentence imo


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on June 27, 2019, 08:38:42 AM
https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1144057132075180032?s=19
I remarked to Cas about this very same thing but I thought that guy was in Spaceballs and spent the better part of the debate unsuccessfully looking up and down the cast of Spaceballs for him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on June 27, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1144407744427859968
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on June 27, 2019, 08:40:50 PM
Who is the drunk woman on the left?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on June 27, 2019, 08:43:37 PM
Who is the drunk woman on the left?


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"Author"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on June 27, 2019, 09:09:41 PM
Kamala with a beatdown of Biden!  Biden responds with some old man ranty voice and he looks very old and out of touch.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on June 27, 2019, 09:12:14 PM
Gillibrand looks like Kristen Bell's aunt or much older sister.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on June 27, 2019, 09:17:43 PM
Michael Bennet brought the house down earlier
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 09:22:35 PM
I think Biden is going down.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 27, 2019, 09:25:54 PM
I think Biden is going down.

Welcome to like June bruh. lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on June 27, 2019, 09:28:10 PM
That crazy Mary Ann lady needs to say John Kennedy a few more times.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
I think Biden is going down.

Welcome to like June bruh. lmao

we will see, I'm not too sure about it tbh. But I think Harris did enough to peel off Biden's African American base.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 09:51:19 PM
Marianne Williamson harnessing LOVE vs. FEAR and she will meet Trump on that field and LOVE will win.

 :love: :love: :love: :love:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 10:24:57 PM
 https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1144441472621715456

this is very true
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 04:59:31 AM
What school is Eric Swalwell taking his toddlers to?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 28, 2019, 06:51:28 AM
I think Biden is going down.

Welcome to like June bruh. lmao

we will see, I'm not too sure about it tbh. But I think Harris did enough to peel off Biden's African American base.

I don't believe he actually has one tbh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:16:55 AM
We've put a check mark next to:  DeBlasio will be pounding domestics at a Nats Game with the Castro junta if elected pres  (warm approval of the intertwined U.S. and Cuba flags to follow)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 28, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
I still think Kamala is going to be our next president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 28, 2019, 08:48:45 AM
I still think Kamala is going to be our next president.

she's certainly enough of an irl cop to pull in those sweet moderate biden bros.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 08:50:35 AM
We've put a check mark next to:  DeBlasio will be pounding domestics at a Nats Game with the Castro junta if elected pres  (warm approval of the intertwined U.S. and Cuba flags to follow)

Who is "we"?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
We've put a check mark next to:  DeBlasio will be pounding domestics at a Nats Game with the Castro junta if elected pres  (warm approval of the intertwined U.S. and Cuba flags to follow)

Who is "we"?

Everybody

The Mayor is apparently a big fan of the Cuban revolution and of Che (RIP) and the Castro's (RIP . . . sorta).





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 09:01:03 AM
Dax, I sincerely believe you're the only person in the country putting any thought at all into DeBlasio being president, this includes DeBlasio and his staff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on June 28, 2019, 09:02:28 AM
I can't believe there were candidates that didn't get in the debate over Williamson. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on June 28, 2019, 09:04:28 AM
I can't believe there were candidates that didn't get in the debate over Williamson.

https://twitter.com/TheDweck/status/1144441241486024705
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
Dax, I sincerely believe you're the only person in the country putting any thought at all into DeBlasio being president, this includes DeBlasio and his staff.

I'm simply commenting on of the individuals in the entire LOL'able lineup of LibDerp Candidates.

Albeit Gabbard (who sounds a lot like Trump circa 2016) is drawing discussion from non-interventionist/tired of the perpetual war people, but most are concerned that she'll be just like Obama, all talk/all bombs all the time.

Though, she does seem to have a national soverignty bent to her as well, a little less open border/end national sovereignty like, than the rest of the panderers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 09:10:42 AM
Ok dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 09:18:18 AM
Ok dax

Sorry your disenfranchised Lib :(
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
You're a wierdo man, I love it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 10:21:29 AM
You're a wierdo man, I love it.

From one weirdo to another
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on June 28, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/186123937724383232
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on June 28, 2019, 11:21:43 AM
I’ve got a new fav candidate apparently


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on June 28, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
Didn’t watch last night I assume Joe ran away with it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
Completely agree w/ marianne
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 28, 2019, 11:43:19 AM
Well now I feel like I need to read one of Marianne's books.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1144629684686262273
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 28, 2019, 12:05:20 PM
be positive. send love. have fun. kick ass. amen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on June 28, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
I would pay money to watch Marianne debate Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on June 28, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1144676029883133952
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 28, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
https://www.marianne2020.com/posts/meghan-mccain-bless-your-heart

Well, this is just amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 28, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Just saw her in the debates. SNL absolutely HAS to have Christopher Walken play her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 28, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
KK’s fav. Andrew Sullivan on Dems’ immigration policy  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/_pages/cjxg9ymru007yl6y6zstts42l.html)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 28, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
the last couple of days have been very depressing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on June 28, 2019, 11:47:56 PM
KK’s fav. Andrew Sullivan on Dems’ immigration policy  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/_pages/cjxg9ymru007yl6y6zstts42l.html)
:love: this article is great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on June 28, 2019, 11:57:32 PM
Quote
I’m told that I’m a white supremacist for believing in ... a reduction in legal immigration to slow the pace of this country’s demographic revolution.

Ummm
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 29, 2019, 01:52:34 AM
Quote
I’m told that I’m a white supremacist for believing in ... a reduction in legal immigration to slow the pace of this country’s demographic revolution.

Ummm
Ummm what? Bear in mind that you’re talking about Kk’s fav columnist.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2019, 03:05:56 AM
Oh so now just because I want to slow immigration because it makes this country less white I’m suddenly a white supremacist?
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2019, 03:33:29 AM
Gotta say I think Pete crushed this debate except for the policing issue which he seemed surprisingly unprepared for.

But at the end of the day, if Gilibrand can keep pressing her “clean elections” platform as her signature issue she’s probably gonna get my vote.

Biden seemed tired and old af.

Harris was big on emotion and aggression but I didn’t catch a lot of substance for as much as she spoke.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 29, 2019, 08:16:25 AM
Oh so now just because I want to slow immigration because it makes this country less white I’m suddenly a white supremacist?
Rational response to some hard information in KK’s most beloved columnist’s piece.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 29, 2019, 09:03:29 AM
https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1137030501435355136?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on June 29, 2019, 09:23:00 AM
I refuse to believe Andrew Sullivan is anyone’s favorite columnist or favorite anything.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on June 29, 2019, 11:39:55 AM
https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1137030501435355136?s=20
Good one LUKEles4ksu
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 29, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
I refuse to believe Andrew Sullivan is anyone’s favorite columnist or favorite anything.

believe it. some posters on this very blog are obsessed with him.


Sullivan has a really good essay here that I fully endorse.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-establishment-will-never-say-no-to-a-war.html (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-establishment-will-never-say-no-to-a-war.html)

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/28/a-note-to-my-readers/

:frown:

KK introduced me to his blog several years ago and he's my favorite. Amazing curation of news, opinion from conflicting views, wild furies of emotion followed by critiques of his fury and acknowledging when he was wrong.

Hope he can stay on as an advisor or something

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2019, 12:25:55 PM
He's my favorite real time guest back when I watched real time
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on June 29, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
Harris was big on emotion and aggression but I didn’t catch a lot of substance for as much as she spoke.

harris can't talk for more than 30 seconds without rolling around in circles and digressions and false starts.  meanwhile beto is pathologically incapable of answering any question in less than four minutes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
I refuse to believe Andrew Sullivan is anyone’s favorite columnist or favorite anything.

believe it. some posters on this very blog are obsessed with him.


Sullivan has a really good essay here that I fully endorse.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-establishment-will-never-say-no-to-a-war.html (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-establishment-will-never-say-no-to-a-war.html)

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/28/a-note-to-my-readers/

:frown:

KK introduced me to his blog several years ago and he's my favorite. Amazing curation of news, opinion from conflicting views, wild furies of emotion followed by critiques of his fury and acknowledging when he was wrong.

Hope he can stay on as an advisor or something
He used to be great!
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
Proud of Dweeb Beto for campaigning  non citizens but future Lib voters.

Beto O’Rourke:  The United States is somewhere in the mix
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 01, 2019, 11:08:56 AM
huge number for buttigieg.  his support is concentrated in the donating demographic.  with that in mind, it'll be interesting to see what warren raised in q2.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
(https://fb13.akamaized.net/up/2019/06/GettyImages-1159101940.jpg)

Calls to resign . . .  calls for a special prosecutor . . . 

https://twitter.com/AmericaRising/status/1143533550484017152
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
Beto campaigns in Mexico with future voters (but not necessarily U.S. citizens)

(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/79f81699874542828488f1781068f979/800.jpeg)

Beto O'Rouke:  Make America a part of the mix



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 04, 2019, 06:48:45 AM
2020 pres candidate Indy’s

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1146739241189355520?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 05, 2019, 09:49:13 PM
libertarian candidate, presumably.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 06, 2019, 07:20:46 AM
libertarian candidate, presumably.

Yeah, saw the lib party tweeted out something about him


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 06, 2019, 12:33:56 PM
Pretty much the only real landing spot for pubs with principles these days.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 07, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
Bernie flies commercial which is very on brand, but also he flies first class which is very off brand. He is on my flight from LAS to DCA today. Our flight is an hour late because we were waiting on him. He has an orange juice before takeoff, FYI.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on July 07, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
A true man of the people
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2019, 08:11:19 AM
Holding a commercial flight up for an hour justifies murder, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on July 08, 2019, 08:26:21 AM
eff him. Nobody should be able to hold a flight.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
eff him. Nobody should be able to hold a flight.

Yes, this is a disqualifying action


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Bernie needs to get his own fuckin' plane. :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 08, 2019, 08:59:09 AM
Now I am not 100% sure they held it for him, but the plane and crew were at the gate on time, and there was no bad weather.  It sure was convenient that he got to the gate and boarded right before general boarding started
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 08, 2019, 09:10:08 AM
These are very serious charges so you need to be 100% certain before hurling them out into the blogosphere IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2019, 09:12:48 AM
Now I am not 100% sure they held it for him, but the plane and crew were at the gate on time, and there was no bad weather.  It sure was convenient that he got to the gate and boarded right before general boarding started

Did anyone boo him?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2019, 09:13:06 AM
honestly, eff bernie. just to be safe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on July 08, 2019, 09:21:47 AM
Yeah I don't know if Bernie has the sort of pull to delay a commercial flight on his own but sd's take on this matter is the correct one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2019, 09:25:26 AM
Too old to catch a flight on time. So sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on July 08, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1148231976173920257

And the field shrinks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on July 08, 2019, 09:31:55 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/tom-steyer-2020-run/593434/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/tom-steyer-2020-run/593434/)

He'll probably just be replaced by this unknown rich guy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 08, 2019, 09:49:46 AM
Now I am not 100% sure they held it for him, but the plane and crew were at the gate on time, and there was no bad weather.  It sure was convenient that he got to the gate and boarded right before general boarding started

Did anyone boo him?
No. He seemed very polite and friendly, and his accent is exactly as hilarious in person.  He was in the row behind me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2019, 11:29:02 AM
poor swalwell.


warren pulled in a shitload of q2 money and also spent a shitload of q2 money.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2019, 11:30:22 AM
Pete will be in kc on Tuesday  :Chirp:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2019, 11:36:02 AM
i know candidates all want as much money as possible, always.  but it's kinda weird to me that he's still spending so much time on fundraisers.  i'm sure there's a strategy, but i don't think i understand it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2019, 12:28:26 PM
i know candidates all want as much money as possible, always.  but it's kinda weird to me that he's still spending so much time on fundraisers.  i'm sure there's a strategy, but i don't think i understand it.

He is running for VP
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2019, 01:41:38 PM
i don't think he's a very good vp pick for most possible candidates, but if that's his goal he should go out and get a geographically concentrated group of people to really like him, or go make an identifiable group of low-propensity dem voters fall in love with him instead of taking more money from highly educated white liberals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 09, 2019, 01:43:38 PM
He probably just wants the money and as much of it as he can get while it’s available.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2019, 01:51:51 PM
i don't even know what i think he should be doing instead.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2019, 02:32:16 PM
i don't think he's a very good vp pick for most possible candidates, but if that's his goal he should go out and get a geographically concentrated group of people to really like him, or go make an identifiable group of low-propensity dem voters fall in love with him instead of taking more money from highly educated white liberals.

I think he makes some sense for Harris or Biden.  He ran for DNC chair and now he's doing this to raise his profile, he doesn't have a lot of options in Indiana and VP or a high profile spot in an administration is his only ladder to climb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2019, 02:41:24 PM
Hell yes

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1148665031896260608
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 09, 2019, 02:47:55 PM
Pete makes sense as a Biden VP if you assume Trump will do all the necessary work of turning out the minority vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2019, 06:12:20 PM
I think he makes some sense for Harris or Biden.  He ran for DNC chair and now he's doing this to raise his profile, he doesn't have a lot of options in Indiana and VP or a high profile spot in an administration is his only ladder to climb.

i mean, yeah, it makes sense for buttigieg to be the vp.  i don't think it makes sense for the presidential candidate though.

he should move to michigan if he wants to run for statewide office.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2019, 11:40:14 PM
I think he makes some sense for Harris or Biden.  He ran for DNC chair and now he's doing this to raise his profile, he doesn't have a lot of options in Indiana and VP or a high profile spot in an administration is his only ladder to climb.

i mean, yeah, it makes sense for buttigieg to be the vp.  i don't think it makes sense for the presidential candidate though.

he should move to michigan if he wants to run for statewide office.

1) well these campaigns always get very in to "balance" on the ticket and act like it is some huge deal.  I honestly don't know if the campaigns are all as impressed with Pete as wealthy, educated, whites, but that is who runs the campaigns, so I'm guessing they are. It mostly is completely irrelevant unless you pick someone really bad like Eagleton or maybe Sarah Palin, but I don't think either of those made much difference either. Maybe Gore is the last time you saw a VP really nail down a state that was helpful and in doubt. So Gore is probably the best example we have of a VP making a meaningful impact.

2) Zero chance that works.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2019, 04:33:24 AM
Despite some setbacks ChiCom Joe extends overall lead.   Also good to see that ChiCom Joe put his 8 years in the White House to great use on the personal financial side of the equation.    ChiCom Joe, who used to paint the very picture of living paycheck to paycheck has made $15 million dollars since leaving the White House.    Those family trips (on Air Force 2) to China and the Ukraine while he was VPOTUS really paid off.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/july-national-poll-biden-extends-lead-in-democratic-primary-trump-closes-the-gap-in-the-general-election
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 10, 2019, 10:23:00 AM
I think he makes some sense for Harris or Biden.  He ran for DNC chair and now he's doing this to raise his profile, he doesn't have a lot of options in Indiana and VP or a high profile spot in an administration is his only ladder to climb.

i mean, yeah, it makes sense for buttigieg to be the vp.  i don't think it makes sense for the presidential candidate though.

he should move to michigan if he wants to run for statewide office.

1) well these campaigns always get very in to "balance" on the ticket and act like it is some huge deal.  I honestly don't know if the campaigns are all as impressed with Pete as wealthy, educated, whites, but that is who runs the campaigns, so I'm guessing they are. It mostly is completely irrelevant unless you pick someone really bad like Eagleton or maybe Sarah Palin, but I don't think either of those made much difference either. Maybe Gore is the last time you saw a VP really nail down a state that was helpful and in doubt. So Gore is probably the best example we have of a VP making a meaningful impact.

2) Zero chance that works.

1)  he's not going to bring in indiana and all the highly educated white liberals that like buttigieg are already going to vote dem no matter what.  the only useful demo that he might help with would be waivering pubs/never trump pubs.  and if i were the presidential i'd want to see some really hard data on his appeal to that type of voter and where those voters are located before i considered him.

biden has to have a female running mate, probably has to have a black running mate.  harris, presumably would take a blue collar/union type male from mi, pa or wi.  or more likely, just say eff the senate, idgaf and take brown.

2)  the state line is like 5 miles north of south bend.  he barely even has to move.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on July 10, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Not looking good for Beto.

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1148963417492865024
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2019, 11:16:36 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1148971914687160322?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 10, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Bernie is already fundraising off of it!

https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/ (https://berniesanders.com/anti-endorsements/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 10, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
I think he makes some sense for Harris or Biden.  He ran for DNC chair and now he's doing this to raise his profile, he doesn't have a lot of options in Indiana and VP or a high profile spot in an administration is his only ladder to climb.

i mean, yeah, it makes sense for buttigieg to be the vp.  i don't think it makes sense for the presidential candidate though.

he should move to michigan if he wants to run for statewide office.

1) well these campaigns always get very in to "balance" on the ticket and act like it is some huge deal.  I honestly don't know if the campaigns are all as impressed with Pete as wealthy, educated, whites, but that is who runs the campaigns, so I'm guessing they are. It mostly is completely irrelevant unless you pick someone really bad like Eagleton or maybe Sarah Palin, but I don't think either of those made much difference either. Maybe Gore is the last time you saw a VP really nail down a state that was helpful and in doubt. So Gore is probably the best example we have of a VP making a meaningful impact.

2) Zero chance that works.

1)  he's not going to bring in indiana and all the highly educated white liberals that like buttigieg are already going to vote dem no matter what.  the only useful demo that he might help with would be waivering pubs/never trump pubs.  and if i were the presidential i'd want to see some really hard data on his appeal to that type of voter and where those voters are located before i considered him.

biden has to have a female running mate, probably has to have a black running mate.  harris, presumably would take a blue collar/union type male from mi, pa or wi.  or more likely, just say eff the senate, idgaf and take brown.

2)  the state line is like 5 miles north of south bend.  he barely even has to move.

Michigan 7 is an R+7 district.  I looked, the rest of the solid D seats are legacies and/or ethnic enclaves.  He could maybe more to Dearborn Heights and try to primary Talib?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 10, 2019, 01:33:41 PM
Alright, I have an elevator pitch. Pete moves to Benton Harbor and runs for mayor (pissing off the African-American community again, but oh well) Mayor Pete leads a renaissance of Benton Harbor (mostly trying to re-brand it as St. Joseph and using eminent domain to bring in developers). Now he can run for the congressional district that is R +4 and trending more D and get in Congress or run for governor as "Main Street Pete."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on July 10, 2019, 01:41:16 PM
it will be called the Benton D Party
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
I have a pitch: Bernie retires and/or dies since he’s closing in on 90 and we don’t want to have to ole yeller him.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 10, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Not looking good for Beto.

i don't think rubin or saavedra were voting for beto before they noticed that he talks about race.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 10:35:36 AM
Beto has moved from:

America: It's in the mix

to

America:  Just sucks

I think he should carry that new message forward with every penny he has.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 11, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1149342978168819717

This tweet does a great job of summarizing my annoyance with almost all of the Bernie discourse. Not just from media/punditry, but from most people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
that adam johnson guy doesn't come off looking really great there imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Really punchable profile pic
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 11, 2019, 12:41:45 PM
i think silver is right.  maybe there's nothing sanders could have done, but he doesn't seem to have made any huge effort to expand beyond his base and his base appears to be too narrow to win with.

Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
i think silver is right.  maybe there's nothing sanders could have done, but he doesn't seem to have made any huge effort to expand beyond his base and his base appears to be too narrow to win with.

Agree. And that dude (AND KK BY ASSOCIATION!) just becomes enraged about it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
true but I've seen this retweeted by berniacs non-stop

https://twitter.com/jmillerlewis/status/1149058171807383552
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2019, 05:56:18 PM
may belong in the common ground thread when both Sean Davis's The Federalist can agree with black socialists

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1149435349594247173

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on July 12, 2019, 09:30:53 AM
Good answer from Gillibrand

https://twitter.com/amandawgolden/status/1149421151690661893
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on July 12, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
i think silver is right.  maybe there's nothing sanders could have done, but he doesn't seem to have made any huge effort to expand beyond his base and his base appears to be too narrow to win with.

Agree. And that dude (AND KK BY ASSOCIATION!) just becomes enraged about it.


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I think it certainly could be a problem for Bernie, but also think 15% is a helluva a starting point in such a crowded field. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
great point mom

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1149815420628688896
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2019, 10:10:16 PM
If we made a Venn diagram there would be lots of overlap between things me and Yang say.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 13, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
That Gillibrand answer was magical.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2019, 12:00:35 PM
I met a Bernie staffer in Reno last night and she said she "didn't feel like she was working on a campaign, she's working for a movement" and her friend who worked for Booker's campaign totally rolled her eyes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 14, 2019, 05:48:17 PM
I just rolled my eyes reading that


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 14, 2019, 07:09:03 PM
I met a Bernie staffer in Reno last night and she said she "didn't feel like she was working on a campaign, she's working for a movement" and her friend who worked for Booker's campaign totally rolled her eyes.

her friend working for Booker's campaign should be job searching.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on July 14, 2019, 07:19:11 PM
She just got Bern'd.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 14, 2019, 07:38:36 PM
they should both be fired for hanging out with other politicos and with tourists instead of striking up friendships with locals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2019, 11:11:26 PM
they should both be fired for hanging out with other politicos and with tourists instead of striking up friendships with locals.

to be fair the bar was mostly locals and we were in primo seats. They also gave us a brunch recommendo so it will be interesting if there are any "diner" stories from the Great Full Gardens Cafe

They also gave us a brunch recommendation! Will be interesting if there's any "diner" stories from the Great-Full Gardens soon!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 14, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
KK doesn't REALLY support Bernie unless he's got at least 3 vehicle stickers affixed by now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 15, 2019, 12:25:02 AM
KK doesn't REALLY support Bernie unless he's got at least 3 vehicle stickers affixed by now.

I'm not going to put on a bumper sticker or donate jfc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 15, 2019, 01:07:28 AM
KK doesn't REALLY support Bernie unless he's got at least 3 vehicle stickers affixed by now.

I'm not going to put on a bumper sticker or donate jfc.

:sdeek:  Well let's hope the the bernie staffer is cool with continuing her work for a movement in an unofficial unpaid capacity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 15, 2019, 03:23:16 AM
Bernie is super proud of his low $ per donation. If you really supported him you’d donate like $5 or something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 16, 2019, 12:31:55 PM
Two of the dumbest people in politics squaring off in 2020

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1151102189315809280
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2019, 12:38:25 PM
Love it or leave it kk
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 16, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
Two of the dumbest people in politics squaring off in 2020

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1151102189315809280

This is the kind of garbage that might actually convince a Trump supporter to change his mind.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 16, 2019, 01:54:18 PM
Two of the dumbest people in politics squaring off in 2020

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1151102189315809280

i can't believe beto is losing to this dude.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on July 16, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
It's far more believable if you remember that Beto is the emptiest of empty suits and his #1 career accomplishment is kinda sorta coming close to beating but still losing to Ted Cruz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 16, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
It's far more believable if you remember that Beto is the emptiest of empty suits.

like, it's impossible to listen to him for more than ten minutes and maintain this belief, but of course most people haven't listened to ten minutes from any of the candidates.  i'm way over on beto, maybe slightly over ten on harris, don't think so on any of the others.  i guess i would be on biden and sanders if you count minutes from 7 and 3 years ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2019, 08:28:09 PM
It's far more believable if you remember that Beto is the emptiest of empty suits.

like, it's impossible to listen to him for more than ten minutes and maintain this belief, but of course most people haven't listened to ten minutes from any of the candidates.  i'm way over on beto, maybe slightly over ten on harris, don't think so on any of the others.  i guess i would be on biden and sanders if you count minutes from 7 and 3 years ago.

98% of the world was over Beto 2 plus years ago Sys-Whack-A-Doo, but none of us are surprised to know that you're "way over Beto" is 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 16, 2019, 08:34:47 PM
Delete that, dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2019, 08:39:32 PM
Delete that, dax.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 16, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
Well, at least try reading sys’ post better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2019, 10:00:51 PM
It's just so sad to see  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 16, 2019, 10:03:04 PM
i love beto, dax.  i'd have thought that was fairly obvious.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on July 17, 2019, 07:52:30 AM
It's far more believable if you remember that Beto is the emptiest of empty suits.

like, it's impossible to listen to him for more than ten minutes and maintain this belief, but of course most people haven't listened to ten minutes from any of the candidates.  i'm way over on beto, maybe slightly over ten on harris, don't think so on any of the others.  i guess i would be on biden and sanders if you count minutes from 7 and 3 years ago.

98% of the world was over Beto 2 plus years ago Sys-Whack-A-Doo, but none of us are surprised to know that you're "way over Beto" is 2 or 3 weeks ago.

oof
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 17, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
ball 4


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 17, 2019, 01:46:49 PM
that was a wild pitch and also somehow a balk
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 17, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
omg dax  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on July 17, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
You had a good run Dax :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 18, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
None of this can go in the book, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2019, 10:05:31 AM
Most of the world wasn't over Beto 2 years ago?     :dunno:

Is he still campaigning in front of 10's upon 10's of supporters?

(some things are done intentionally)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on July 18, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
omg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2019, 10:19:22 AM
omg

 :lol: OMG is right
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 18, 2019, 10:22:38 AM
more like OMC

(http://tv90s.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/omc-how-bizarre-official-music-video.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
I can't believe we keep getting trolled by dax pretending to be old and confused.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on July 18, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
An interesting Version of Poe's Law.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
I can't believe we keep getting trolled by dax pretending to be old and confused.

I always find posts like this odd coming from the king of LibDerp7Flection who attributes things never said by me, to me, early and often.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2019, 10:36:31 AM
Democratic front runner ChiCom Joe:   A wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese Government

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-07-17/joe-biden-money-hollywood-studios-china

(FISA warrants optional)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on July 18, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
the dax train just chugs along
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on July 19, 2019, 11:06:00 AM
Most of the world wasn't over Beto 2 years ago?     :dunno:

Is he still campaigning in front of 10's upon 10's of supporters?

(some things are done intentionally)

He did just have 4 million Texans vote for him about 9 months ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on July 19, 2019, 11:06:25 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas-senate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2019, 11:11:47 AM
You have to take dax seriously, not literally.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 19, 2019, 11:20:05 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas-senate

 :lol:

Two almost completely different animals.  4 million were never going to vote for Ted Cruz.    :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 19, 2019, 12:48:36 PM
This page is entirely off-topic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 19, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Church Creeper on July 19, 2019, 06:59:22 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


 :surprised:  There is a campaign union????
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 19, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
oh mercy me  :ROFL:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 19, 2019, 07:08:59 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They pay everyone $15/hr or more. Pretty cool to highlight that and the fact that Bernie is the only candidate to do this. Incredible leadership.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 19, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
This guy didn't know how overtime worked and wants to be President 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 19, 2019, 07:17:11 PM
They pay everyone $15/hr or more. Pretty cool to highlight that and the fact that Bernie is the only candidate to do this. Incredible leadership.

pretty sure his campaign is not the only campaign to do that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on July 19, 2019, 07:24:33 PM
I think they were the first to have their workers unionize
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
sad


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 19, 2019, 10:07:01 PM
Ol' Breadline Bernie . . . workin'em like they're tractor mechanics in a Soviet Union monotown

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on July 19, 2019, 11:27:32 PM
All this talk makes me wonder what Trump paid his campaign workers.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 20, 2019, 08:14:16 PM
decent money.

https://twitter.com/khakisalmon/status/1152566903669477381
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 20, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
it almost seems like you would need more than the 10 people Beto pays.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 20, 2019, 11:03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/behind2020/status/1152730388898492416
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 21, 2019, 12:04:37 AM
challenge accepted, joseph biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 21, 2019, 08:58:35 AM
decent money.

https://twitter.com/khakisalmon/status/1152566903669477381
Lmao, if you can’t see that this is a complete elision of what he pays his hourly people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 21, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1153016965444845568
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2019, 02:09:16 PM
Which seasoned political people are those?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 21, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Which seasoned political people are those?


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all the Pod Saves Obama guys and a ton of political consultant DNC types.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 21, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
It's gotta be a huge upset whenever an incumbent loses this thing after all the possible opponents crap on each other for months (years?) before deciding who the least shitty is and putting them forward.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 21, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
Lmao, if you can’t see that this is a complete elision of what he pays his hourly people.

what hourly people?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2019, 04:03:54 PM
Which seasoned political people are those?


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all the Pod Saves Obama guys and a ton of political consultant DNC types.

I’ve never heard of any of those people.

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1153017894013472768?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2019, 07:42:59 AM
This is weird, because according to LibDerp Nation the Barry "bombs away" Obama administration was perfect in every way, now FVPOTUS ChiCom Joe faces attacks because of the track record of Barry "bombs away" Obama?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/2020-democrats-are-starting-to-turn-obamas-legacy-against-biden



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dmartin on July 22, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They pay everyone $15/hr or more. Pretty cool to highlight that and the fact that Bernie is the only candidate to do this. Incredible leadership.

And now he's cutting their hours to make sure everyone gets $15 an hour.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2019, 08:12:48 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They pay everyone $15/hr or more. Pretty cool to highlight that and the fact that Bernie is the only candidate to do this. Incredible leadership.

And now he's cutting their hours to make sure everyone gets $15 an hour.

Extreme free market move by Bread Line Bernie.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 22, 2019, 08:53:12 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/sanders-campaign-battles-staff-demanding-15-hourly-pay-which-candidate-says-should-federal-1450103


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They pay everyone $15/hr or more. Pretty cool to highlight that and the fact that Bernie is the only candidate to do this. Incredible leadership.

And now he's cutting their hours to make sure everyone gets $15 an hour.

He reduced hours of salaried employees.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 22, 2019, 09:57:50 AM
you seem to think that political campaigns employee a lot of (or even some) hourly workers.  i don't think that's accurate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 22, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
he was insinuating that Bernie was cutting their pay.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 22, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
like 99.9% of America don’t GAF what these people pay their people. I’m shocked any of them are being paid to begin with tbh. Figured it was like 100% volunteers.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 22, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
And I’m further shocked that Bernie isn’t parading around the giant amounts of cash other people are paying while his lowly ass is 100% run by moneyless hippies.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 22, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
Yeah I honestly didn’t know paid campaign staff was a thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 23, 2019, 11:07:59 AM
https://twitter.com/gideonresnick/status/1153696903512690691?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on July 23, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
Welp, "Breadline Bernie" was a fun nickname while it lasted  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 23, 2019, 03:32:44 PM
these people hate Bernie so rough ridin' much! incredible!
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-boasts-about-staffs-private-insurance-best-health-care-plan-you-can-imagine/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-boasts-about-staffs-private-insurance-best-health-care-plan-you-can-imagine/)

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“So starting today, all of those workers that are salaried will make $42,000 a year, or the equivalent of $15 an hour?” Harlow asked, to which Sanders replied: “I believe it’s more than $15 an hour.”

“And also, by the way, has probably the best healthcare plan that you can imagine,” Sanders continued, adding “I believe we cover 100% of the healthcare costs of our workers.”
...
Superficially, what Sanders is saying — that the private health insurance his staffers get is “the best healthcare plan that you can imagine” — means, by definition, that Medicare for All is not “the best healthcare plan that you can imagine.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 23, 2019, 03:34:48 PM
What a hilarious argument.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2019, 04:09:08 PM
Zapped
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 23, 2019, 09:56:56 PM
This has the benefit of being vaguely true in the sense that most people assumed he was going to get his ass kicked by Hillary and incredibly false for some valid and invalid reasons, but most of all being an incredibly dumb statement that is going to get thrown in his face during the next debate and even more evidence that besides the fact that Biden sucks on the merits, he is also running an incredibly shitty campaign.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-trump-bad-as-he-is-presidential-race-2019-7?op=1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-trump-bad-as-he-is-presidential-race-2019-7?op=1)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 23, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
Also he’s too old to run


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
The Vermont senator’s campaign sees the cable news network as part of a brewing problem that allows vague and unverified claims to go unchecked on air.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  2020 is a gift from the gods!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-war-between-bernie-sanders-and-msnbc-reaches-a-new-peak
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 24, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1154051202386190336

https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1154054184309874688
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Congratulations to the Chinese Government.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 24, 2019, 04:24:40 PM
Y'all better warm up Michelle, #Losing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
Y'all better warm up Michelle, #Losing

Somebody wants to re-emerge out of the bullpen so bad, but I don't want The Big Dummy and others to totally meltdown if the name is said.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2019, 05:43:25 PM
Don't ever let your dreams die dax rofl
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Don't ever let your dreams die dax rofl

Sorry you're so marginalized LibDerp7
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
https://t.co/gRHDkjahb2

Lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2019, 03:21:52 PM
RELEASE THE BERNIE OLD TOWN ROAD REMIX IMMEDIATELY
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 28, 2019, 03:48:38 PM
When a cop decides to try their hand at some extra mild socialism

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1155305122911723526?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 28, 2019, 08:07:12 PM
very bizarre
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 29, 2019, 08:39:00 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2019, 08:43:40 AM
Pell Grants are loans?   (reads Pell Grant website again . . . yep, still says it doesn't have to re-paid)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 29, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
Dax pretty sure she’s suggesting they already had to meet some standard of economic need to be eligible for her program.

In any event, it’s so weirdly specific and difficult I’m not sure it would even appeal to pell grant recipients who have operated small businesses in disadvantaged communities for one year.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 29, 2019, 08:03:39 PM
Not to mention this is during a time where an insane proportion of people are being denied loan forgiveness for the much simpler requirement of being employed in the public sector.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 29, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
the more you consider it, the more it just absolutely rough ridin' sucks.

I wish we had more visionary leadership like this:

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/1154576988222492672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


https://gizmodo.com/report-saudi-princes-plan-for-flying-taxi-robot-city-w-1836756980?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_campaign=sharebar
 (https://gizmodo.com/report-saudi-princes-plan-for-flying-taxi-robot-city-w-1836756980?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_campaign=sharebar)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 30, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
https://twitter.com/curtisbonds/status/1155570651161194496?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 30, 2019, 09:51:32 AM
lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 30, 2019, 11:01:14 AM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 30, 2019, 12:07:09 PM
somehow the metaphor becomes even more powerful...

https://www.cinemablend.com/television/Legends-Hidden-Temple-Real-Reason-Most-Contestants-Lost-111657.html (https://www.cinemablend.com/television/Legends-Hidden-Temple-Real-Reason-Most-Contestants-Lost-111657.html)

Quote
If you grew up as a 90’s kid, you probably spent a ton of time watching old school Nickelodeon. Besides the bevy of glorious cartoons, there were also a handful of children’s game shows. One of the favorite 90’s Nick game shows was Legends of the Hidden Temple. My main problem with Legends, besides my not being on it as a kid, was the fact that so few of the teams actually won. Well, the show’s host, Kirk Fogg, recently opened up as to why so many 90’s kids left the show disappointed:

    The producers were only allowed to give out eight championships a year. There was a budget, and that's the truth of that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 30, 2019, 12:09:20 PM
My friend got to do the temple at nick live at the expocenter in T-town.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on July 30, 2019, 01:00:11 PM
I got an email promoting these minutes after the above posts.  :ohno:

https://www.homage.com/collections/nickelodeon

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 30, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
https://twitter.com/keepsawinwood/status/1156365643123449856?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on July 30, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on July 31, 2019, 02:52:25 AM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 31, 2019, 06:02:37 AM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn)

Eww, why?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on July 31, 2019, 06:35:10 AM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn)

Dlew and waks John Delaney Fan club.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 31, 2019, 06:36:44 AM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn)

Dlew and waks John Delaney Fan club.
Elite company indeed. Guessing he has no shot based on me not knowing anything about him except his name?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on July 31, 2019, 07:40:19 AM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/30/john-delaney-net-worth-elizabeth-warren-tax-plan-cnn-democratic-debate-vpx.cnn)

I thought Warren's zinger on him about why would he spend the time to run for president was the best line of the night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on July 31, 2019, 09:21:19 AM
Delaney kills me.  But nobody kills me more than Tim Ryan.  I swear I crack up every time the camera panned to him.  He always looks so surprised that they're asking him a question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1156394325909131264?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 12:31:29 PM
just a for what it's fwiw I don't think she's complaining about the cost to attend Harvard wackster
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2019, 12:45:58 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/timryan/status/1156610596579753984?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 31, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
So perfect for him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/timryan/status/1156610596579753984?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 31, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
I just realized that my mental image of Elizabeth Warren is the South Park Mayor
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on July 31, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
I just realized that my mental image of Elizabeth Warren is the South Park Mayor
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190731/bdc02970e6e90c961ada58efabff69f4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on July 31, 2019, 06:48:41 PM
I just realized that my mental image of Elizabeth Warren is the South Park Mayor
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190731/bdc02970e6e90c961ada58efabff69f4.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 31, 2019, 07:11:19 PM
I've liked John Delaney from the day he announced his campaign. Obviously he isn't sexy enough to win the nomination but he completely handles his own against Warren here.

he kicked her ass.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 31, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
I feel bad for Joe, he looks like the rube the Harlem Globetrotters pick out of the crowd.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on July 31, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
I feel like Joe is gonna flip to R and try to primary Trump after this...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 31, 2019, 09:29:31 PM
I feel like Joe is gonna flip to R and try to primary Trump after this...


Ooooooooooh that would be a tasty twist
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 09:48:16 PM
I feel like Joe is gonna flip to R and try to primary Trump after this...

Haha, just kidding

Unless?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 31, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
who can forget the stirring words of america's most famous speech - four score and seven years ago, yada, yada, yada, thanks and go to abelincoln.com.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 31, 2019, 09:53:58 PM
lotta burns tonight guys, lotta burns....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 31, 2019, 10:17:30 PM
who can forget the stirring words of america's most famous speech - four score and seven years ago, yada, yada, yada, thanks and go to abelincoln.com.

So many people forget the propaganda of that speech smdh
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 11:07:12 PM
https://twitter.com/keepsawinwood/status/1156777703204368384?s=21

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
Politics Mangino has my attention


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on July 31, 2019, 11:55:18 PM
I just realized that my mental image of Elizabeth Warren is the South Park Mayor
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190731/bdc02970e6e90c961ada58efabff69f4.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

 :lol:

Perfect. I’ll give her credit. She was great in the first debate. I did not watch night 1 of the latest debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on July 31, 2019, 11:57:59 PM
lotta burns tonight guys, lotta burns....

They burning the crap out of Cool Joe. Clout chasers. Loved my girl Tulsi ripping a fat zinger right across Harris’ face.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2019, 12:03:15 AM
Liz Warren is fierce.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 01, 2019, 12:58:16 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 01, 2019, 01:51:22 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.

I dunno, candidates I like are often also liked by bad people. I don’t think it makes them bad candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 01, 2019, 02:03:19 AM
I obviously liked Gabbard, but also prob judge what she says in these things more harshly than others.

Tonight I thought:
Biden - managed vs the attacks decently, was kinda meh overall. Still top dog, getting less cool in these debates
Yang - pretty decent, seems smart and knows how to talk
Trim’s Gov Jay - weird voice and mouth, but actually pretty great and good debater. I wish he was cooler, he might win if so
Booker - seemed composed and unifying, handled spats well, good energy
Harris - crappy instigator and seems like a jerk, talked over time always
Blonde lady - seemed good sometimes, I didn’t like her and a few other trying to play moderator
Bill De Blasio (sp?) - male version of Harris, not a fan
Colorado guy, Bennett?? - weird voice, also seems smart, not cool enough to win

I was hoping Gabbard would tie playing for all of the crap she wants (and most others want) back to ending expensive war actions earlier, but she did it decent at the end. She didn’t mention Iran much, but that is another one that is going to cost tons of cash while making big arms rich.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 01, 2019, 02:28:57 AM
Yang blasting CNN for running the debates like reality tv was great as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 06:15:43 AM
https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1156738909146996736?s=21
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2019, 07:06:19 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.

A big portion of Trump Twitter are either Russians or heavily influenced by Russians. They love Tulsi for her Russia friendly foreign policy.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 07:55:43 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.

A big portion of Trump Twitter are either Russians or heavily influenced by Russians. They love Tulsi for her Russia friendly foreign policy.


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Going to be some amazing battles between ChiCom Joe's Chinese BOTS and Don's Russian BOTS.

Although I still don't why anyone thinks that Don has done Russia any great favors and now the NYT's is telling Don he needs to get right with Vlad.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2019, 07:59:11 AM
dried up old bodies fighting via their proxies online.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2019, 08:00:32 AM
the only part of the debates I saw was via kk sending me insta snaps. and I feel like I have enough data based on those.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 01, 2019, 08:02:31 AM
time to cull the herd. There is too much damage being done to the brand and not enough being done to big big Don.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 08:16:41 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.

A big portion of Trump Twitter are either Russians or heavily influenced by Russians. They love Tulsi for her Russia friendly foreign policy.


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Going to be some amazing battles between ChiCom Joe's Chinese BOTS and Don's Russian BOTS.

Although I still don't why anyone thinks that Don has done Russia any great favors and now the NYT's is telling Don he needs to get right with Vlad.

Rofl
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 08:26:36 AM
Congrats @nicname your homegirl took down the police tonight, it was quite impressive. It's slightly curious though, that trump twitter are all over Tulsi's nuts. They hate black women more than they love police.

A big portion of Trump Twitter are either Russians or heavily influenced by Russians. They love Tulsi for her Russia friendly foreign policy.


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Going to be some amazing battles between ChiCom Joe's Chinese BOTS and Don's Russian BOTS.

Although I still don't why anyone thinks that Don has done Russia any great favors and now the NYT's is telling Don he needs to get right with Vlad.

Rofl

Only a huge dummy wouldn't understand that Russian-US relations are at the lowest point they've ever been since the end of the Cold War.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 08:28:34 AM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
Haha

So weird reading LibDerp fav the NYT's editorial board begging Don to make it good with Vlad.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 01, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Yang blasting CNN for running the debates like reality tv was great as well.


Good job, cnn!

https://twitter.com/trimgoemaw/status/1156404278757474305
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
I feel like @sys is getting very Chuckles like over Beto on Twitter. The man doesn't lie when he says he lets new hobbies consume his life.  :eek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
Chicom Joe, would you please join me in the debate suite?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2019, 09:07:20 AM
Not sure if Russians, but this is trending for some reason right now ----> #KamalaHarrisDestroyed
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 01, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
Chicom Joe, would you please join me in the debate suite?

:love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Castro, Pete, Warren rising to the top IMO. I like the Montana gov too.

Biden seems like he has no interest in being in the debates and would rather get by on his name. Harris got handled by Gabbard worse than she handled Biden in round 1.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 01, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
What was with that rep from Colorado who kept shouting? Why did we get that dude instead of Wayne Messam?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 01, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Were there protesters there, or what was going on with the yelling in the crowd early on? I need the scoop. Also, the night 2 crowd seemed much more rowdy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 01, 2019, 11:37:39 AM
Were there protesters there, or what was going on with the yelling in the crowd early on? I need the scoop. Also, the night 2 crowd seemed much more rowdy.
Yeah they were getting after De Blasio about the cop who killed Eric Garner still being on the force I THINK
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 02:33:23 PM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/455702-michael-moore-urges-michelle-obama-to-run-against-trump

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
She'd be great
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
She'd be great

Your Favs don't think so . . . https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/politics/obama-legacy-democratic-primary/index.html

Not Stellar:  ProgLibs on Barry Obama's 8 awful years.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
I would love 8 more years of Obama  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
I would love 8 more years of Obama  :love:

Note to self, put Lib down as just a run-of-the-mill LibDerp praying for fake ProgLib Obama 2.0 and not a real de-legitimized/disenfranchised ProgLib.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 07:07:59 PM
Run-of-the-mill LibDerps who are only concerned that a person of any kind with a (D) next to their name is elected.  See Also:  Parody Poster LibDerp7

Are mad at the dis-enfranchised Prog-Lib Minority

https://nypost.com/2019/08/01/democrats-baffled-as-2020-candidates-go-on-the-attack-against-obama/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 01, 2019, 07:37:21 PM
Were there protesters there, or what was going on with the yelling in the crowd early on? I need the scoop. Also, the night 2 crowd seemed much more rowdy.
Yeah they were getting after De Blasio about the cop who killed Eric Garner still being on the force I THINK

Correct
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
The reaction to Gabbard is clearly a reaction that says nothing other than we want a Democrat back in the White House and we want that Democrat to get us back in the the regime change business.

SMDH

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 02, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1154842750392700929
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 03:58:47 PM
I'm glad x shut that down gracefully. Would have been horrible for my guy Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
https://twitter.com/lowliiife/status/1157461049391636480?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:23:39 PM
This makes me like Beto more

https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/1158196171451576321?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 10:07:28 PM
When your campaign is on its last breaths . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
This makes me like Beto more

Yes, that evens out his minions' mayo pete stunts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 06:42:58 AM
When your campaign is on its last breaths . . .
I mean either that or maybe when someone drives from nine hours away to shoot up Hispanics in your town in order to stop “the invasion” as promoted by the president
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 05, 2019, 09:42:48 AM
More candidates should be openly swearing when appropriate imo. It’s a good look. Olds prob don’t think so, but they’re olds nomsayin??
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:45:18 AM
When your campaign is on its last breaths . . .
I mean either that or maybe when someone drives from nine hours away to shoot up Hispanics in your town in order to stop “the invasion” as promoted by the president

When there's 100K plus people that we actually know about crossing the border illegally and thousands more that we don't know about crossing the border illegally every month then that by every measure is an invasion.    LibDerp Nation should also recognize that Beto's successor has been caught actively coaching people on how to commit felonies by crossing the border illegally.   Your side is aiding and abetting felons, drug cartels and human traffickers. 

Not to mention that we now know that the Drug Cartels are fully armed with many of the same weapons that the United States military uses and now Mexico City, once just a tertiary region for the Drug Wars is now fully in the cross fire of the cartels the American political left aids and abets. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 09:48:28 AM
When your campaign is on its last breaths . . .
I mean either that or maybe when someone drives from nine hours away to shoot up Hispanics in your town in order to stop “the invasion” as promoted by the president

When there's 100K plus people that we actually know about crossing the border illegally and thousands more that we don't know about crossing the border illegally every month then that by every measure is an invasion.    LibDerp Nation should also recognize that Beto's successor has been caught actively coaching people on how to commit felonies by crossing the border illegally.   Your side is aiding and abetting felons, drug cartels and human traffickers. 

Not to mention that we now know that the Drug Cartels are fully armed with many of the same weapons that the United States military uses and now Mexico City, once just a tertiary region for the Drug Wars is now fully in the cross fire of the cartels the American political left aids and abets.

Yep, the final solution is to just keep/start shooting them all. We get what you’re saying Dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:53:32 AM
When your campaign is on its last breaths . . .
I mean either that or maybe when someone drives from nine hours away to shoot up Hispanics in your town in order to stop “the invasion” as promoted by the president

When there's 100K plus people that we actually know about crossing the border illegally and thousands more that we don't know about crossing the border illegally every month then that by every measure is an invasion.    LibDerp Nation should also recognize that Beto's successor has been caught actively coaching people on how to commit felonies by crossing the border illegally.   Your side is aiding and abetting felons, drug cartels and human traffickers. 

Not to mention that we now know that the Drug Cartels are fully armed with many of the same weapons that the United States military uses and now Mexico City, once just a tertiary region for the Drug Wars is now fully in the cross fire of the cartels the American political left aids and abets.

Yep, the final solution is to just keep/start shooting them all. We get what you’re saying Dax.

When you join me in denouncing the violence creating hateful and dishonest rhetoric of the American Political Left then you'll have a toe hold on some standing in here.   

But sadly you just laugh and deflect.

BTW, Trump is deporting fewer people and catch and releasing more people then your guy did, your guy, aka the "Deporter-n-Chief" which you said nothing about.   You didn't start caring about any of this until January 2017.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
At least dax hasn't referred to it as an infestation (yet)

Yikes, white-power dax is pretty gross. Let's get back to 9/11-was-an-inside-job dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:41:41 PM
At least dax hasn't referred to it as an infestation (yet)

Yikes, white-power dax is pretty gross. Let's get back to 9/11-was-an-inside-job dax.

Lib, join me in denouncing LibDerp Leadership and their dangerous rhetoric that has radicalized people like Connor Betters and James Hodgkinson.

Recall if you will that Virginia Attorney General defined Hodgkinson's act as "domestic terrorism" and "fueled by rage against Republican legislators".

These are the outcomes of the party of:  All Rage-All the Time




Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 05, 2019, 02:56:31 PM
Yes, that evens out his minions' mayo pete stunts.

don't worry, we'll uneven out the score on that measure soon enough.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 05, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
LibDerp Nation should also recognize that Beto's successor has been caught actively coaching people on how to commit felonies by crossing the border illegally. 

sorry she insulted your hero, dax.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1158385183478951936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 05, 2019, 03:04:42 PM
This makes me like Beto more

here's the video.

https://twitter.com/susiedrapes/status/1158378253662466048
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 05, 2019, 03:09:21 PM
oh, and here's one of the people of el paso expressing their disgust at being used to prop up a dying campaign.

https://twitter.com/yourstrlysteph/status/1158253355799666689
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 05, 2019, 09:17:04 PM
https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1158561215536336896?s=21

Time to cull the single digit mods.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:24:03 PM
Oh man, Beto, a real man of a few people.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 09:59:05 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/biden-immigration-2020-1411691

If only there'd been an opportunity for LibDerp Nation, clearly outraged by deportation to have stepped up and begun the dialog of what their beloved administration was really up to . . . then maybe the rhetoric from the American Political Left of today wouldn't be inciting so much violence.  But alas, LibDerp Nation was willingly complicit and the Dem front runner is being called out for it.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 10:03:25 PM
I can't wait for chingon's 2019 word clouds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 10:27:52 PM
Trim, last 10 . . .  6 year olds have more expansive vocabularies.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 05, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
If dax starts getting self-conscious about posting "libderp," I demand that chingon do 2019 word clouds that only go through 8/5/19.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2019, 08:11:17 AM
https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1158561215536336896?s=21

Time to cull the single digit mods.

I keep waiting on Biden to sink and it's just not happening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:14:53 AM
Same. He’s too old to hold office. Why can’t everyone see that?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
I need Beto, Pete, or Harris to make a push because I do not want a Biden/Bernie/Warren presidency. My fantasy of a republican primary challenger seems to be dead so this is what I’m left with.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2019, 08:20:36 AM
At least Harris is close to double digits.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Warren has grown on me a lot. When Pete is out I think I'll switch to her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:40:21 AM
Warren has grown on me a lot. When Pete is out I think I'll switch to her.

of the Bernie/Biden/Warren triangle of crap she's probably the best and I'll begrudgingly vote for her over Donald.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2019, 08:41:57 AM
I'll vote for anyone over Donald.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2019, 08:45:55 AM
I'd happily vote for any Republican or Democrat over Donald.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:48:25 AM
I'd happily vote for any Republican or Democrat over Donald.

most of america would as well. my eagerness has varying shades but all very firmly over Donald.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
I keep waiting on Biden to sink and it's just not happening.

the last debate was very good for him.  it was good for pretty damn good for sanders too, warren is such a rough ridin' dumbass sometimes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 09:00:48 AM
I need Beto, Pete, or Harris to make a push because I do not want a Biden/Bernie/Warren presidency. My fantasy of a republican primary challenger seems to be dead so this is what I’m left with.

come to beto, steve dave.  he needs you, you need him.  be a participant, not an observer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2019, 09:03:48 AM
Let's be honest. All of Gen X needs Beto.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 06, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
Pete  > Harris > Beto > Biden > everyone > Trump/Bernie coinflip
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 06, 2019, 09:41:08 AM
I'd happily vote for any Republican or Democrat over Donald.

most of america would as well. my eagerness has varying shades but all very firmly over Donald.

I’m completely on board with this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 09:59:44 AM
I need Beto, Pete, or Harris to make a push because I do not want a Biden/Bernie/Warren presidency. My fantasy of a republican primary challenger seems to be dead so this is what I’m left with.

come to beto, steve dave.  he needs you, you need him.  be a participant, not an observer.

his using swears at the media for asking shitty questions probably leap frogged him over Pete tbh. admittedly it's a stupid thing to propel him to the top over but I can't change who I am.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 06, 2019, 10:07:29 AM
Is it BEE-toe or BAY-toe?  I've been saying it BEE-toe in my head.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
BAEto.

I didn't think the question was that bad fwiw.  Weirdo response by Beto imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 06, 2019, 10:14:22 AM
Rubes. It's bet-toe, unless you want to sound like a gringo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 06, 2019, 12:35:49 PM
Rubes. It's bet-toe, unless you want to sound like a gringo.

Certainly wouldn't want to do that while pronouncing an Irish dude's name
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
it's actually BEH toh, but it's hard to argue much with bet OH since that's usually how beto says it when he's speaking english.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
I didn't think the question was that bad fwiw.  Weirdo response by Beto imo.

dude, it was a bullshit question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
I didn't think the question was that bad fwiw.  Weirdo response by Beto imo.

dude, it was a bullshit question.
Why was it a bullshit question? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
asking if trump can do anything to improve the situation implies a) that it is reasonable to assume that he wishes to alter the trajectory of anti-immigrant and anti-latino sentiment, and b) that he is not responsible for inciting hatred and violence against immigrants and latinos.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2019, 01:14:33 PM
DLEW is an enemy of the people so of course he's taking their side.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
asking if trump can do anything to improve the situation implies a) that it is reasonable to assume that he wishes to alter the trajectory of anti-immigrant and anti-latino sentiment, and b) that he is not responsible for inciting hatred and violence against immigrants and latinos.
You can be responsible for causing a problem and still take measures to help resolve the problem -- not that I think Trump would.  But the question wasn't "do you think Donald Trump contributed to this incident?"  It was "is there anything Donald Trump can do that would help this?"  I think it's a complicated question that could have elicited an interesting response -- or at least a more interesting response than "wtf, media?"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 01:17:00 PM
well, you're wrong.  it was a great response.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 06, 2019, 01:20:52 PM
Did I see that Beto apologized for swearing? That's rough ridin' stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2019, 01:23:54 PM
well, you're wrong.  it was a great response.
In the context of the election i think you're right because I bet it moved his numbers.  I just think asking a presidential candidate what he thinks the sitting president should do is pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 01:56:15 PM
this is pretty good on explaining beto's answer and why it resonated.

https://crooked.com/articles/beto-trump-media/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 02:02:05 PM
Did I see that Beto apologized for swearing? That's rough ridin' stupid.

i very much doubt it.

https://twitter.com/jomalleydillon/status/1158482659632394242
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1158227686134861824
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
this is pretty good on explaining beto's answer and why it resonated.

https://crooked.com/articles/beto-trump-media/
Had he answered this:
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he should vanish. He can not stop being who he fundamentally is. He will not resign from office, repent, and enter seclusion. He does the bad things he does for reasons that are neither mysterious nor irrational, and so he can’t make things better any more than peddlers of junk food, narcotics, alcohol, and tobacco can improve the country’s physical health.
I would have found it a more cogent and reasonable response, rather than "wtf media, do your job." 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 02:45:22 PM
Sometimes honest emotion resonates more than a well thought out emotionless responses that check all boxes and leave no room for misunderstanding. For me anyway.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Tobias on August 06, 2019, 03:58:31 PM
big time
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 04:43:03 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/06/democrats-news-media-1449406

I mean, so many levels  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
Yeah, pretty lol how amazingly bad that headline is
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on August 06, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
More candidates should be openly swearing when appropriate imo. It’s a good look. Olds prob don’t think so, but they’re olds nomsayin??

Those "olds" you're referring to most likely swear a crap load more than the PC kids do nowadays.  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 06, 2019, 05:59:19 PM
Yeah, pretty lol how amazingly bad that headline is
I don't get what's wrong with the headline. Just that it was positive?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 06:19:25 PM
Yeah, pretty lol how amazingly bad that headline is
I don't get what's wrong with the headline. Just that it was positive?

"bad" is perhaps not the right word. The media is in a tough spot because they can't have "bored trump drones though prepared remarks that he doesn't believe" as a headline, but it's the closest thing to the truth. "Trump urges unity vs racism" is just eyerolly. It's like a story on dax with the headline of "dax urges rationalism vs conspiracy theories"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
It's also dumb if they really did cave and change the headline for the second printing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 06, 2019, 06:54:15 PM
I cant believe the NYT let a few vocal libs bully them into changing the headline. That's pretty ridic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2019, 09:46:16 PM
The media is in a tough spot because they can't have "bored trump drones though prepared remarks that he doesn't believe" as a headline, but it's the closest thing to the truth.

they can, actually.  there is absolutely nothing stopping them from honestly describing the events in the world.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1158683716329385986
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 06, 2019, 09:59:11 PM
Fair and honest reporting is what pisses off Dax/Trump more than anything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
The media is in a tough spot because they can't have "bored trump drones though prepared remarks that he doesn't believe" as a headline, but it's the closest thing to the truth.

they can, actually.  there is absolutely nothing stopping them from honestly describing the events in the world.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1158683716329385986

Yeah, this is perfect
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 07, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
https://youtu.be/2O-iLk1G_ng

Bernie Sanders spends an hour with Joe Rogan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 07, 2019, 11:46:34 AM
It's a good listen. Bernie is a good dude.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 11:58:55 AM
I do believe Bernie is a genuinely good human being. That said I’d never vote for him unless it was him or Trump.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 12:13:47 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/zachheltzel/status/1158983518506012672?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Oh good, more LibDerps driving illegal immigration.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 07, 2019, 06:54:31 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/zachheltzel/status/1158983518506012672?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 08, 2019, 02:47:58 AM
tear crap up, beto.

https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1159221564891652096
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2019, 07:54:08 AM
Really going out there on a limb Beto. Even dax knows that.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 08, 2019, 11:44:07 AM
Even dax knows that.

well sure, that's how dog whistles work.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2019, 08:45:02 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/krangtnelson/status/1159640528423706625


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2019, 08:45:56 PM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 10, 2019, 12:17:36 AM
Who’s afraid of Tulsi Gabbard?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/podcast-tulsi-gabbard-kamala-harris-syria-iraq-870003/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 10, 2019, 09:27:13 AM
https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1159945614882484226
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Liz pandering about Ferguson, and BetoDork saying anything at this point to pump a little life into his DOA campaign.  While the front runner is showing what he’s always been his whole life, just that Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation refused or was really too dumb to see . . .

Just another day in LibDerp Land.

Two straight presidential elections two straight old white racist lifetime political hacks from LibDerp Nation.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 10, 2019, 09:53:45 PM
https://twitter.com/kenghazi/status/1160347609518751750


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2019, 12:15:20 AM
Great, a race huskster.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 11, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
https://twitter.com/llerer/status/1159866732703621121
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 11, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
Already lying. SMDH!
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 11, 2019, 05:46:32 PM
He’s a big Bitcoin fan too!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 12, 2019, 06:22:40 PM
A good article including how big money/influence power brokers give us the illusion of choice and steer elections/public opinion.

https://medium.com/@RobletoFire/tulsi-gabbard-has-enemies-in-high-places-6fa7da05284

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 12, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSextonWMUR/status/1161019281888485377
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 12, 2019, 07:29:09 PM
How is it possible that there was a Congressman named Dick Swett and I'm only now hearing about this??
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2019, 11:09:18 PM
I dapped up DeBlasio yesterday at the fair. I was just walking by when he was getting ready to do a stand up, we locked eyes and he leaned towards me and he gave the dap. It was the handshake that morphs into a hug/backslap. I'm a 6'3" black dude in Iowa with an infant strapped to my chest, many signs of being a lib.

Two things, it know it's been covered but he's very tall probably 6'6, 6'7. Also he's extremely handsome, great smelling, and well put together in person. I'm still not going to vote for him but he made me and my wife swoon.

Next Iowa State Fair note, I participated in two different straw polls. Liz and Joe were essentially in a dead heat in both. The police and Bernie were quite a way behind. There did appear to be lots of Berners and MAGAs at the fair, both groups wear their crap around like is a football game or something. God I wish I could have taken the pictures of the MAGAs, including the one that was absolutely 500+ lbs. Maybe I'll do it when I go back on Sunday for Barenaked Ladies and Hootie and the Blowfish. Probably going to be crawling with super libs at that concert.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 12, 2019, 11:13:56 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 13, 2019, 12:36:04 AM
I dapped up DeBlasio yesterday at the fair. I was just walking by when he was getting ready to do a stand up, we locked eyes and he leaned towards me and he gave the dap. It was the handshake that morphs into a hug/backslap. I'm a 6'3" black dude in Iowa with an infant strapped to my chest, many signs of being a lib.

Two things, it know it's been covered but he's very tall probably 6'6, 6'7. Also he's extremely handsome, great smelling, and well put together in person. I'm still not going to vote for him but he made me and my wife swoon.

Next Iowa State Fair note, I participated in two different straw polls. Liz and Joe were essentially in a dead heat in both. The police and Bernie were quite a way behind. There did appear to be lots of Berners and MAGAs at the fair, both groups wear their crap around like is a football game or something. God I wish I could have taken the pictures of the MAGAs, including the one that was absolutely 500+ lbs. Maybe I'll do it when I go back on Sunday for Barenaked Ladies and Hootie and the Blowfish. Probably going to be crawling with super libs at that concert.

it's a shame you didn't get to meet beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 13, 2019, 12:38:42 AM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 13, 2019, 12:39:11 AM
Get a room, sys and beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2019, 12:58:38 AM
This was my favorite sys RT of Beto this evening. :love: What a guy! No agenda at all. Lol

https://twitter.com/tian_futbol/status/1160974011888746497?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 13, 2019, 02:04:20 AM
I dapped up DeBlasio yesterday at the fair. I was just walking by when he was getting ready to do a stand up, we locked eyes and he leaned towards me and he gave the dap. It was the handshake that morphs into a hug/backslap. I'm a 6'3" black dude in Iowa with an infant strapped to my chest, many signs of being a lib.

Two things, it know it's been covered but he's very tall probably 6'6, 6'7. Also he's extremely handsome, great smelling, and well put together in person. I'm still not going to vote for him but he made me and my wife swoon.

Next Iowa State Fair note, I participated in two different straw polls. Liz and Joe were essentially in a dead heat in both. The police and Bernie were quite a way behind. There did appear to be lots of Berners and MAGAs at the fair, both groups wear their crap around like is a football game or something. God I wish I could have taken the pictures of the MAGAs, including the one that was absolutely 500+ lbs. Maybe I'll do it when I go back on Sunday for Barenaked Ladies and Hootie and the Blowfish. Probably going to be crawling with super libs at that concert.

What a report. Wherever it is gE has boots on the ground.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2019, 05:53:51 AM
Great report MIR


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 13, 2019, 06:31:32 AM
Iowa is so weird about politics. Like, political straw polls at a state fair?  Go ride a ferris wheel dorks!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 13, 2019, 08:44:10 AM
The Iowa State Fair has literally everything, total spectacle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 13, 2019, 08:46:40 AM
The Iowa State Fair has literally everything, total spectacle.
It sounds incredible
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2019, 09:19:38 AM
This was my favorite sys RT of Beto this evening. :love: What a guy! No agenda at all. Lol

https://twitter.com/tian_futbol/status/1160974011888746497?s=21

BetoDork has a strong Lands End/Eddie Bauer/(insert mail order slight upscale casual ware vendor here) game. 

He's just a man of the people ya know . . . well, a few people anyway.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on August 13, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
i think he's running for president, wacks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2019, 11:23:50 AM
Yeah, that’s why I enjoyed that tweet. Imagine a guy running for President taking the time to chat with the whole community. Wow! Doing gods work. :lol: He took pictures too!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 14, 2019, 08:42:54 AM
wackster, you gotta separate the man himself from his obsessive stans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 14, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
 :thumbs: I honestly don't have a problem with Beto at all FWIW. I'm just very entertained with SYS's new passion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2019, 05:57:27 PM
Trump, Bernie, and Tulsi Stan’s are the most intense. Trumps and Tulsa’s appear to be mostly Russians. Bernie’s are mostly shoeless hippies.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 14, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
:thumbs: I honestly don't have a problem with Beto at all FWIW. I'm just very entertained with SYS's new passion.

i mostly forget that my beto tweets still go out to whichever kstate bb fans there are that still follow me after five years of not tweeting and 4 months of beto stanning.  i also assumed that the algorithms were filtering it out for you poor souls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2019, 06:13:14 PM
As someone who also likes politics more than KSU basketball now I’m ok with it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
It makes me laugh. Another non-pittin' poster on this blog is big time into Beto and it makes me smile.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 14, 2019, 06:28:18 PM
Do your thing, SYS. I’m entertained. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 14, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
It makes me laugh. Another non-pittin' poster on this blog is big time into Beto and it makes me smile.

who is it?  i need to follow them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 14, 2019, 07:18:44 PM
this is a cool graph.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1161632227572277248
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
Why do Harris and Warren have such a girthy pipe?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 14, 2019, 11:38:28 PM
they're both female and not biden or sanders.  in the world outside of goEMAW, harris seems to be perceived as quite a bit more progressive than she is here.  and warren, despite agreeing with sanders on literally every issue, is somehow perceived differently.  so there are a lot of voters that like the both of them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 14, 2019, 11:56:01 PM
Trump, Bernie, and Tulsi Stan’s are the most intense. Trumps and Tulsa’s appear to be mostly Russians. Bernie’s are mostly shoeless hippies.


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Bernie/Tulsi/Yang any combo. Tulsi’s foreign policy is second to none.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 15, 2019, 03:38:50 PM
:thumbs: I honestly don't have a problem with Beto at all FWIW. I'm just very entertained with SYS's new passion.

i mostly forget that my beto tweets still go out to whichever kstate bb fans there are that still follow me after five years of not tweeting and 4 months of beto stanning.  i also assumed that the algorithms were filtering it out for you poor souls.
Hey sys, long time twitter follower here.  This question is for you, but also applies to numerous other active single-candidate supporters out there.

I get that Beto is your chosen favorite for the Democratic nomination. With that as a given, how much of the Beto content you put out on Twitter is stuff you really wholeheartedly believe in, and how much is simply acting as a grassroots PR man trying to amplify the Beto message on social media?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on August 15, 2019, 03:45:43 PM
weird beto gets mentioned but yang who is 3.5x more likely to win it all gets none. white dems really are just as racist.

only nicname is woke, gto brother
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 15, 2019, 03:53:35 PM
Post more stuff like this stunz

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/a2/bd/9aa2bd68c7a3027ed88ed91ba2592dd1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on August 15, 2019, 04:03:10 PM
i dont see why internet nerds liking yang is a negative. is that still a thing? it sounds like he's the complete opposite of trump except for appealing to midwest truckers
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 15, 2019, 04:04:35 PM
I feel like it's a positive.

(https://i.redd.it/ftyjgxz1qhn21.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on August 15, 2019, 04:08:15 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on August 15, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
appealing to midwest truckers

also why yang is the only dem that can take down turmp
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 15, 2019, 05:01:55 PM
appealing to midwest truckers

also why yang is the only dem that can take down turmp

What’s the position that is in charge of all the money? Sec. of Treasury. Yang would boss at that.

Edit: Pres. Sanders
Sec of Treasury Yang
Sec of Defense or State Gabbard
Whatever the climate position is called Inslee (sp?)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 15, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/996a5cd7fece7d945ad8b29fff72379a.jpg)

Could just say “all establishment dems/pubs”


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 15, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 15, 2019, 06:44:02 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him

Why?

Good people and bad people can like the same people. It doesn’t mean the candidate is a bad person with bad ideas.

I’m interested why 4chans might like him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 15, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him

Why?

Good people and bad people can like the same people. It doesn’t mean the candidate is a bad person with bad ideas.

I’m interested why 4chans might like him.

It's just a smell test/canary in the mine. like, if Nazi's really like a candidate, it's going to be a big turnoff for me. 4chan posters aren't exactly Nazi's, but I generally don't think highly of their opinions and their support of anyone would be a turnoff for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 15, 2019, 07:18:55 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him

Why?

Good people and bad people can like the same people. It doesn’t mean the candidate is a bad person with bad ideas.

I’m interested why 4chans might like him.

It's just a smell test/canary in the mine. like, if Nazi's really like a candidate, it's going to be a big turnoff for me. 4chan posters aren't exactly Nazi's, but I generally don't think highly of their opinions and their support of anyone would be a turnoff for me.

I can see that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 16, 2019, 05:42:53 AM
WTF Dems? Probably not the way to win a race.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/andrew-yang-id-beat-trump-at-anything-because-he-is-so-fat

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 06:05:27 AM
Trump is a fat slob who isn't good at anything. Yang would whip his ass.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 06:10:21 AM
Trump is a fat slob who isn't good at anything. Yang would whip his ass.

Actually a decent golfer.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 16, 2019, 06:12:27 AM
Trump is a fat slob who isn't good at anything. Yang would whip his ass.
He just alienated the fat voter base.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 07:57:01 AM
Trump is a fat slob who isn't good at anything. Yang would whip his ass.
He just alienated the fat voter base.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 16, 2019, 08:18:56 AM
I don't think it's a self awareness issue
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 08:47:59 AM
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38387.msg1926434#msg1926434
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 16, 2019, 08:57:48 AM
After that trump said that the fat guy had even more of a problem than he (trump) did, so that isn't a good example
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dmartin on August 16, 2019, 11:58:57 AM
Trump is a fat slob who isn't good at anything. Yang would whip his ass.
He just alienated the fat voter base.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on August 16, 2019, 04:44:06 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him

Why?

Good people and bad people can like the same people. It doesn’t mean the candidate is a bad person with bad ideas.

I’m interested why 4chans might like him.

It's just a smell test/canary in the mine. like, if Nazi's really like a candidate, it's going to be a big turnoff for me. 4chan posters aren't exactly Nazi's, but I generally don't think highly of their opinions and their support of anyone would be a turnoff for me.

i mean yea, still feels like you'r reaching. i figure being the opposite of trump would outweigh that. i think them liking yang is probably because of the free 1k a month which i dunno if good or bad for the economy but i'll gladly take, and him thinking a lot about the future, which probably resonates with 4chan nerds. i dont think those are negative things. surely their preference of yang has absolutely nothing to do with racism.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2019, 09:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1162460121395597312

owned
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 16, 2019, 10:01:24 PM
https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1162460121395597312

owned
https://twitter.com/RotNScoundrel/status/1162510023681019906?s=19

Owned by a commenter.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 16, 2019, 10:14:29 PM
Roll Tide
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2019, 11:46:48 PM
Good job guys


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 17, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190817/d54f2a1d08f5924adce2c2dbd29c78ec.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 17, 2019, 01:47:49 PM
Hey sys, long time twitter follower here.  This question is for you, but also applies to numerous other active single-candidate supporters out there.

I get that Beto is your chosen favorite for the Democratic nomination. With that as a given, how much of the Beto content you put out on Twitter is stuff you really wholeheartedly believe in, and how much is simply acting as a grassroots PR man trying to amplify the Beto message on social media?

probably 80/20 believe v eff it, this is a beto position and it's my job to promulgate this.
probably 50/50 i really like this v eff it, this will probably appeal to someone
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 17, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
the worst part of being a beto stan is that in addition to betostanning, i like to participate in neutral elections analysis threads but now when i do i have a bunch of beto stans that follow me and swarm all over anyone that says anything negative about beto and pretty soon people are gonna stop talking to me because of it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 17, 2019, 02:05:59 PM
Hey sys, long time twitter follower here.  This question is for you, but also applies to numerous other active single-candidate supporters out there.

I get that Beto is your chosen favorite for the Democratic nomination. With that as a given, how much of the Beto content you put out on Twitter is stuff you really wholeheartedly believe in, and how much is simply acting as a grassroots PR man trying to amplify the Beto message on social media?

probably 80/20 believe v eff it, this is a beto position and it's my job to promulgate this.
probably 50/50 i really like this v eff it, this will probably appeal to someone
Thanks, kind of what I figured
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2019, 02:56:07 PM
Beto Stans:  Currently numbering in the tens upon tens

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2019, 11:12:09 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/996a5cd7fece7d945ad8b29fff72379a.jpg)

Could just say “all establishment dems/pubs”


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LOL, love this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 19, 2019, 11:20:24 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/996a5cd7fece7d945ad8b29fff72379a.jpg)

Could just say “all establishment dems/pubs”


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LOL, love this.

 :Woohoo:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on August 19, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
definitely. but i remember people here saying "4chan posters like him he must be alt right" or some crap.

I've probably said that and IMO it's a pretty good reason to not like him

Why?

Good people and bad people can like the same people. It doesn’t mean the candidate is a bad person with bad ideas.

I’m interested why 4chans might like him.

It's just a smell test/canary in the mine. like, if Nazi's really like a candidate, it's going to be a big turnoff for me. 4chan posters aren't exactly Nazi's, but I generally don't think highly of their opinions and their support of anyone would be a turnoff for me.

i mean yea, still feels like you'r reaching. i figure being the opposite of trump would outweigh that. i think them liking yang is probably because of the free 1k a month which i dunno if good or bad for the economy but i'll gladly take, and him thinking a lot about the future, which probably resonates with 4chan nerds. i dont think those are negative things. surely their preference of yang has absolutely nothing to do with racism.
They like him because all that free money appeals to their NEET lifestyle.  8chan/incel types are generally in favor of socialist programs.  They scoff at wage earning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 02:40:43 PM
no comment.

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1163896619672248353
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 20, 2019, 02:49:32 PM
I wish you would comment
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 20, 2019, 02:50:16 PM
also how embarrassing for an aspiring politician to stand next to Beto and look incredibly underdressed and sloppy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
I wish you would comment

i actually have no opinion on, and no particular interest in, kc barbecue restaurants.  but i didn't want to imply a preference.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on August 20, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
Beto is probably the Gates of dem candidates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 20, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
sys,

I was going to go back through and find your thoughts about the other candidates (who you would support) but you already committed to being a Beto dead ender, so I guess I am curious what you think will happen in the race and also who you think can beat Trump. Wasn't sure if you were Beto'ing earlier when you said Warren couldnt win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
i should do another poll, be interesting to see the movement from this spring.  if beto were to be hit by a semi on his way to iowa today, i'd pretty unenthusiastically vote for either booker or harris, not sure which.  that could change over the course of the next seven months.


i think either warren or buttigieg would be the weakest candidate in the general, but that isn't to say they couldn't win.  if it's a dem +8 environment (as 2018 was), either would win, as would any dem candidate.

my views on the dynamics in the primary haven't much changed much.  the race will narrow down to one moderate and one progressive sooner rather than later after the early states start voting and the moderate will eventually win, as clinton did, because there are more moderate dems than progressive dems.

warren is attracting more support/acceptance than i would have guessed from mainstream dems, but not enough to change my view as expressed above.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 20, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
i should do another poll, be interesting to see the movement from this spring.  if beto were to be hit by a semi on his way to iowa today, i'd pretty unenthusiastically vote for either booker or harris, not sure which.  that could change over the course of the next seven months.


i think either warren or buttigieg would be the weakest candidate in the general, but that isn't to say they couldn't win.  if it's a dem +8 environment (as 2018 was), either would win, as would any dem candidate.

my views on the dynamics in the primary haven't much changed much.  the race will narrow down to one moderate and one progressive sooner rather than later after the early states start voting and the moderate will eventually win, as clinton did, because there are more moderate dems than progressive dems.

warren is attracting more support/acceptance than i would have guessed from mainstream dems, but not enough to change my view as expressed above.

Didn't Clinton win because of super delegates? Didn't they throw super delegates out or reduce the number of them?

I hate super delegates!  :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 20, 2019, 03:34:08 PM
i should do another poll, be interesting to see the movement from this spring.  if beto were to be hit by a semi on his way to iowa today, i'd pretty unenthusiastically vote for either booker or harris, not sure which.  that could change over the course of the next seven months.


i think either warren or buttigieg would be the weakest candidate in the general, but that isn't to say they couldn't win.  if it's a dem +8 environment (as 2018 was), either would win, as would any dem candidate.

my views on the dynamics in the primary haven't much changed much.  the race will narrow down to one moderate and one progressive sooner rather than later after the early states start voting and the moderate will eventually win, as clinton did, because there are more moderate dems than progressive dems.

warren is attracting more support/acceptance than i would have guessed from mainstream dems, but not enough to change my view as expressed above.

Didn't Clinton win because of super delegates? Didn't they throw super delegates out or reduce the number of them?

I hate super delegates!  :curse:

She didn't end up needing them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 20, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
Oh...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
another beto stop on his drive from okc to iowa.

https://www-1.kansas.com/entertainment/restaurants/dining-with-denise-neil/article234179587.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 20, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
another beto stop on his drive from okc to iowa.

https://www-1.kansas.com/entertainment/restaurants/dining-with-denise-neil/article234179587.html

That coffee shop owner needs to drop the "o" in his first name.  I'd have had no choice but to be all in for Beto if he had.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
That coffee shop owner needs to drop the "o" in his first name.  I'd have had no choice but to be all in for Beto if he had.

until we find out his second surname, i think we can refer to him as art.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 20, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 20, 2019, 06:56:14 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?

Pronounced "bee-toe" I think
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 20, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?

Def worth a pic.  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?

i had no idea this place existed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 20, 2019, 09:31:26 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?

i had no idea this place existed.
Burlington
Emporia
Topeka
Ottawa
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 20, 2019, 09:50:01 PM
Do you think he stopped at Beto junction on 35?

i had no idea this place existed.
Burlington
Emporia
Topeka
Ottawa
Wow, I’ve stopped there several times, did not know the etymology
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 20, 2019, 09:50:52 PM
Burlington
Emporia
Topeka
Ottawa

 :surprised:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 22, 2019, 02:23:30 AM
https://twitter.com/beems34/status/1164367293792436225
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 22, 2019, 08:50:02 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2019, 08:56:17 AM
Boycott Uber and Lyft!! . . . while taking rides on Uber and Lyft the same day they called for a boycott.

Welcome to DemDork 2020



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 22, 2019, 04:21:39 PM
https://twitter.com/dsmnocontext/status/1164630111607500802
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2019, 12:13:19 PM
Holy crap

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1166033264093618177


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 26, 2019, 12:37:09 PM
Wow

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2019, 05:21:27 PM
I’m going to have to choose between an irl socialist and Donald trump aren’t I. :-(


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 26, 2019, 05:36:42 PM
The Democrats are going to eff this up. The only question is how. Nominating someone a bunch of people won't vote for because SOCIALISM seems like the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 26, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
It’ll be Warren for sure. I soothsay’d that crap forever ago.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 26, 2019, 10:34:46 PM
It’ll be Warren for sure. I soothsay’d that crap forever ago.


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Can you do the burn it down lines thing? Pretty sure Liz and Berndog are below for mine. I'd probably pull the lever for EW as I threw the match though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2019, 11:56:17 PM
She's not a goddamned socialist, for fucks sakes. Clinton and Obama completely mumped the Democratic Party. We can have centrists and right wingers but we act like actual died in the wool liberals are rough ridin' devils. We're shitting on Warren but she's true to who she is. Joe is gong to spend the next 8 months trying to convince everyone he's a liberal, right out of the Obama playbook, run as a liberal to energize the base, govern like someone who's goal is to get re-elected. Luckily, unlike 2008, there are actual liberals that know how to run a campaign.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't had a liberal in the white house since civil rights legislation was passed. Thank rough ridin' god, trump will be good for something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 27, 2019, 01:18:31 AM
Thank God for LBJ.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 27, 2019, 04:03:32 AM
Possibly the greatest poach of all time.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2019, 07:11:36 AM
Well, I’m not a dem so I was hoping for a centrist. Currently my don’t burn it down list is Beto with about a zero percent chance of winning above the line and everyone else below. I’d have Joe there as well if he wasn’t too old to be trusted to govern. The cop and EW probably ahead of Bernie below the line. I’m very fluid though and can be convinced to mix this up.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 27, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
There is absolutely nobody the Democrats could put up that I wouldn't vote for over Trump.  Except OJ. I don't know if I'd vote for OJ over Trump. I'd have to think about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2019, 08:04:05 AM
I think Warren can do a good job avoiding the S-word in a general election
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 27, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
There is absolutely nobody the Democrats could put up that I wouldn't vote for over Trump.  Except OJ. I don't know if I'd vote for OJ over Trump. I'd have to think about it.

I would vote for OJ. All he did was murder 2 people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on August 27, 2019, 08:16:07 AM
Yeah I'm definitely okay with pulling the lever for Warren.  I was skeptical of her just a few months ago but the more I watch her the easier she is to support.  I'm just ready for a real adult President again.  Biden can eff right off, I'm not convinced his senile old ass could beat Trump. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2019, 08:29:18 AM
There's still like 6 months until the primaries guys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Just want to shout out to Beto for continuously affirming and re-affirming that he is a huge dork and a total poser.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Is dax more Beto brained than sys? Evidence suggests so...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2019, 10:46:39 AM
Is dax more Beto brained than sys? Evidence suggests so...

Anyone that even hints that they prefer that poser shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on August 27, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
There is absolutely nobody the Democrats could put up that I wouldn't vote for over Trump.  Except OJ. I don't know if I'd vote for OJ over Trump. I'd have to think about it.

I would vote for OJ. All he did was murder 2 people.
Yeah, I mean, Hillary tells OJ to hold her beer, and yet she still won the popular vote. I see no problem with a vote for the Juice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 27, 2019, 10:53:32 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2019, 10:53:43 AM
I need to hear juice's platform first
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 27, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
OJ seems kinda MAGA.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 27, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
The Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) Tweeted:
The relationship between cause and effect has always been difficult for socialists to grasp https://t.co/M5qcJYsa8h https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1166393894034014211?s=17


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on August 28, 2019, 02:16:44 PM
so old and gross
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2019, 02:46:34 PM
yes


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
The Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) Tweeted:
The relationship between cause and effect has always been difficult for socialists to grasp https://t.co/M5qcJYsa8h https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1166393894034014211?s=17


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lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 28, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Currently my don’t burn it down list is Beto with about a zero percent chance of winning above the line and everyone else below.

kerry was in low single digits right up until he won the nomination.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-dean-pulls-away-in-dem-race/

clinton was also in single digits late.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwisvPuK76bkAhU5CTQIHSCyD4oQFjALegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com%2F2011%2F04%2F04%2Fa-brief-history-of-primary-polling-part-ii%2F&usg=AOvVaw1oy6-0wyPxyHnhdCq411Kd


obviously, candidates would prefer to be polling higher than lower right now, and also obviously, most of those polling lower will lose without ever touching better numbers.  but it is not the case that history suggests the current stasis will prevail.  if biden's support ever falls, those numbers will go somewhere else.  harris, beto, booker and klobuchar all have reasons to think they might be the landing place.


and steve dave, as i've urged you before - you need not be a passive observer in this process.  send beto a little money, he needs it.  put a beto magnet on your car, you live next door to iowa.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2019, 05:04:29 AM
Not surprised that sys Whack-A-Doo is all in on the most disingenuous LibDerp candidate.

Hated to see the 2nd most disingenuous one drop out.

https://twitter.com/beyondreasdoubt/status/1166832729071267840?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on August 29, 2019, 06:54:08 AM
that video is amazing

  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2019, 07:58:54 AM
that video is amazing

  :love:

She should have grilled some burgers

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 29, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
She’s got intense mom energy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 29, 2019, 08:19:46 AM
If Beto has the potential to be dax's next Hillary then I might start supporting him for the content
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2019, 08:22:09 AM
If Beto has the potential to be dax's next Hillary then I might start supporting him for the content

Beto is and will always be a dork.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 29, 2019, 09:18:24 AM
If Beto has the potential to be dax's next Hillary then I might start supporting him for the content

Whoever wins the nomination will at the very least be his next Obama.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 29, 2019, 04:43:42 PM
I get why he went down the path, but it's time for beto to quit telling us how much trump sucks and start telling us why he's better than other democrat candidates to do something about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 29, 2019, 04:45:01 PM
And throw a little variety into his uniform.  I can't see him anymore without thinking about that Seinfeld and the lady with the same dress.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 29, 2019, 05:37:19 PM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 29, 2019, 06:02:41 PM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

Almost definitely going to be Harris. I guess maybe Biden. Obama was very hard on immigration. Harris is the cop, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 29, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 29, 2019, 06:18:37 PM
I get why he went down the path, but it's time for beto to quit telling us how much trump sucks and start telling us why he's better than other democrat candidates to do something about it.

my dude went to the iowa afl-cio event and didn't even mention his brand new labor policy.  was just like, hey union dudes, we're gonna talk about how this country is rough ridin' over mexicans.  hope you like that crap.

https://twitter.com/MelissaGomez004/status/1167113218310848512
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 29, 2019, 06:21:35 PM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 30, 2019, 04:08:18 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 30, 2019, 06:00:42 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 07:03:30 AM
LOL, the current policy agenda of the sell out LibDerp Leadership (once major backers and advocates of the Deporter-in-Chief's policies)  . . . and the current LibDerp presidential candidates policy platforms towards the border etc. etc.

Are nothing less than open borders, essentially catch and nearly immediate release into the United States for all.

Regional policy agendas in the United States are sanctuary cities, with local law enforcement in some areas refusing to cooperate with ICE even when it comes to criminal aliens arrested for serious crimes.

Some of you people don't even understand the policy agenda of your own party . . . SMDH, sad.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2019, 07:11:45 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 07:24:32 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.

You mean the EU that leaves people fleeing the destruction of Libya floating around at sea?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.

You mean the EU that leaves people fleeing the destruction of Libya floating around at sea?

I mean how citizens in one EU country have the right to move to another EU country. It would be nice to have that with the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 08:11:39 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.

You mean the EU that leaves people fleeing the destruction of Libya floating around at sea?

I mean how citizens in one EU country have the right to move to another EU country. It would be nice to have that with the US, Canada, and Mexico.

As of right now on the Southern Border all you have to do is basically show up, or jump across a river.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 30, 2019, 08:15:33 AM
I think you're confused again dax  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 08:17:27 AM
I think you're confused again dax  :frown:

The Friday tapouts start early
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2019, 08:20:31 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.

You mean the EU that leaves people fleeing the destruction of Libya floating around at sea?

I mean how citizens in one EU country have the right to move to another EU country. It would be nice to have that with the US, Canada, and Mexico.

As of right now on the Southern Border all you have to do is basically show up, or jump across a river.

Oh? Why do we need the concentration camps, then?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 08:24:46 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

I think a North American immigration policy similar to what the EU has would be great. I'm not running for president, though.

You mean the EU that leaves people fleeing the destruction of Libya floating around at sea?

I mean how citizens in one EU country have the right to move to another EU country. It would be nice to have that with the US, Canada, and Mexico.

As of right now on the Southern Border all you have to do is basically show up, or jump across a river.

Oh? Why do we need the concentration camps, then?

Because some people don't actually want to give the human/sex traffickers carte blanche to cross the border as they please.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2019, 08:29:19 AM
Oh, that makes sense, dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 08:33:43 AM
Oh, that makes sense, dax.

Yes, lets have a border where adults bring minors across and no one asks them any questions.

Sounds like a great plan.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 30, 2019, 08:40:36 AM
Yeah, probably better to just treat every family like sex criminals until they can prove themselves innocent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2019, 08:53:05 AM
Yeah, probably better to just treat every family like sex criminals until they can prove themselves innocent.

One thing for sure, criminals always immediately tell the truth.

While you're advocating a free range border with a country where mass graves are piling up like cordwood and the government doesn't control the Northern 1/3 of the country (and their control over other parts is diminishing fast) . . . why don't we just build a Fetanyl pipeline while we're at it.

While you're at it, please tell me which EU countries are 3rd world hell holes and also lets discuss the in's and out's of moving around the EU (long term residency) without professional credentials etc. etc. etc.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 30, 2019, 10:28:06 AM
Someone tells me which dem is toughest on immigration so I know who to vote for in 8 months.

you're looking for trump.
No absolutely not. It’s a relative “toughest” meaning something less than “free citizenship for all.”  Trump’s position is unconscionable, but I do believe we should have limits on immigration.

No one wants free citizenship or open borders, I didn't think rational people actually believed that crap you hear conservative talking point cultivators pushing to scare white people. Warren and Castro has the most liberal policies on the border. Which basically amounts to what we did before George W. Obama.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/12/20690200/elizabeth-warren-immigration-proposal-2020
No need to demonize brown people looking for a better life, they aren't coming to cook and eat the rest of us.
Sorry, that was mostly a tongue in cheek callback to this post:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1927697#msg1927697

My apologies ocho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2019, 11:56:43 PM
I know Kk had mentioned how much Kessler hates Bernie but this has kinda gotten out of hand

https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1168926678082625537?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 04, 2019, 06:39:15 AM
Candidates and their stans complaining about their coverage is lame


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
ChiCom Joe coming to my part of the world to pander.

If I go I'll take pictures and post them for all the closeted ChiCom Joe fanboi's on this blog.

I look forward to hearing with the Chinese Governments most favored 2020 presidential candidate has to say.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Tobias on September 04, 2019, 11:07:13 AM
this right here is why we pay for premium, tia for boots on the ground report :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 04, 2019, 11:10:42 AM
Dax will fit right in with the other 37 Alabama Biden supporters
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
Dax will fit right in with the other 37 Alabama Biden supporters

I'm sure Chairman Xi will be most interested in what the Dem Frontrunner has to say.





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on September 04, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
foreign interference in our elections is v welcome and v cool

duh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
foreign interference in our elections is v welcome and v cool

duh

The  :lol: is that the previous Dem pres candidate and the current Dem front runner used the power of their positions in the Executive Branch of our government to enrich themselves and their families.

But LibDerp Nation still pours out by the millions to keep putting them back into office.






Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 04, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
Dax, however John Currie would dress up to go to a booster club meeting in China is how you should dress up when you go to this.  Really get into character.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 04, 2019, 11:55:15 AM
Dax, however John Currie would dress up to go to a booster club meeting in China is how you should dress up when you go to this.  Really get into character.

 :lol: :lol:  Oh Trim, you do try so very very hard, I'll give you credit for that.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 05, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1169627426646831105?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 05, 2019, 02:47:15 PM
If ChiCom Joe isn't the guy then my next stop is going to be for the guy who can't run South Bend, IN

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 06, 2019, 05:12:24 AM
@Trim

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1169913246515486720

You really are going to need to find something to do with all your time in a month.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 06, 2019, 06:51:51 AM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1169627426646831105?s=20

All I see is yet another clip of Pete talking good and with zero dementia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 06, 2019, 09:33:52 AM
@Trim

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1169913246515486720

You really are going to need to find something to do with all your time in a month.

Meh, we ended it in January. I’ve been deep in local politics that don’t warrant a gE thread.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 06, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1169627426646831105?s=20

All I see is yet another clip of Pete talking good and with zero dementia.

Ryan Saavedra definitely knew 95% of the people that saw his tweet wouldn't look at the video. There are so many people profiteering off of intellectual dishonesty.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 06, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
You're right, I honestly never played it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 08, 2019, 10:57:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1170701817564540928
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 08, 2019, 02:06:05 PM

If I go I'll take pictures and post them for all the closeted ChiCom Joe fanboi's on this blog.

Just as an FYI for your information, I don't think anyone here gives a eff about Joe Biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 08, 2019, 02:38:23 PM
I GAF about how he’s too old to be an elected official


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 09, 2019, 10:44:29 PM
if i were kat kid (or michigancat), i'd be pretty irate about how those cbs first four state polls that were really good for sanders got written up with a pro-warren headline.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
https://twitter.com/heartylel/status/1171099530793803779
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 10, 2019, 10:07:33 AM
Ugh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2019, 08:54:39 PM
Millennial Warren supporters are just as :rolleyes: as millennial Bernie supporters. I got into it with one on twitter today, just chill people. Supporters of the Police are far and away the most tolerable, just sweet old black ladies, like my momma.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 11:32:59 AM
Cross post in investment thread??

https://www.mediaite.com/news/jim-cramer-says-wall-street-execs-are-panicking-about-elizabeth-warren-presidency-shes-gotta-be-stopped/

ChiCom Joe is said to be ready to take her on in regard to her "corporate" record.

Chairman Xi is prepping his prized recruit and reminding ChiCom that the Biden family owes a $3B debt of gratitude to the people of China.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 11, 2019, 05:16:44 PM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1171901113811034112
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 11, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1171901113811034112

this may cancel out the fact that the 4chan incels adore him
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 11, 2019, 08:08:51 PM
Holy crap I actually watched the whole thing

Quote
I'd be like, score left! Score right! Score jump shot!"

:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 11, 2019, 08:46:44 PM
The way he kept bringing it back to someone taking on his whole team made me think of Prince and the Revolution.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on September 12, 2019, 08:52:21 AM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 12:05:20 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on September 12, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?

Why do you believe it would?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?

Why do you believe it would?

Do I need to explain inflation?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 07:28:06 PM
Debate time!
Biden is such an embarrassment, he's literally using GOP talking points during a Democratic debate. No one loves their health insurance, what a stupid rough ridin' thing to say. I don't even support Medicare for All.

Bernie, stop yelling at us.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 12, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Debate time!
Biden is such an embarrassment, he's literally using GOP talking points during a Democratic debate. No one loves their health insurance, what a stupid rough ridin' thing to say. I don't even support Medicare for All.

Bernie, stop yelling at us.
Wake me up in March
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 07:37:04 PM
The gE candidates are on stage sucking again...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 07:39:59 PM
yang says he is asian so he knows a lot of doctors

K-bye Yang
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 07:43:26 PM
Debate time!
Biden is such an embarrassment, he's literally using GOP talking points during a Democratic debate. No one loves their health insurance, what a stupid rough ridin' thing to say. I don't even support Medicare for All.

Bernie, stop yelling at us.
Wake me up in March

There's been fireworks early, surprisingly Julian and Joe are going hard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 07:44:21 PM
No Beto, reparations don't fix systemic racism. Appreciate the thought though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on September 12, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
Has beto cursed yet


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:05:48 PM
Literally nobody cares about the crap they discuss in these things, very out of touch
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:14:45 PM
guns weather health care  :cyclist: why not throw abortion in on this old fart snooze fest
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on September 12, 2019, 08:23:47 PM
I'm glad Gato is watching the debate so I don't have to
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 08:32:58 PM
Literally nobody cares about the crap they discuss in these things, very out of touch
Topics in order have been
Health care
Race
Gun Violence
Immigration
Foreign Policy
27, I'm sure they'll get to proper placement of Confederate bumper stickers, Frozen Tater Tots, the 12 ways to formally wear wife beaters, and how to extend your oil change out of your Camaro by 250 miles in the second half of the debate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:37:52 PM
you are not defending this debate, you can't be
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:47:18 PM
Alert, they are gonna ask a question to the VETERAN
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on September 12, 2019, 08:50:30 PM
Obviously I'm not watching the debate but my twitter feed is making it seem like Beto is winning.  But that could just be because sys is retweeting every pro Beto tweet ever tweeted.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
yes, i'm not positive he's there tonight
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
I want to be clear, Yang is asian so he knows a lot of doctors
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
turns out Warren really is a school marm
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 09:17:39 PM
We are talking abot education now, Joe says play the record player at night, let the kids hear words.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on September 12, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?

Why do you believe it would?

Do I need to explain inflation?

No, I'm quite confident I don't need you to explain inflation to me.  However, given that you seem to think you're such an expert on it, I'd love to hear your version.

When you're done enlightening all of us on how inflation works, please explain why you think Yang's UBI would be inflationary, especially to the point of rendering the US dollar worthless.  While you're at it, you can explain how Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance and Section 8 housing vouchers have all caused runaway inflation as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 12, 2019, 09:29:10 PM
Can't watch, wtf?

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1172301514800545792
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 12, 2019, 09:47:11 PM
Can't watch, wtf?

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1172301514800545792

lol I just started watching from the start and it's worth it for Yang's intro and Mayo Pete's attempt at following
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 12, 2019, 09:55:46 PM
I tried looking this thing up on my cable box to see if it'd be replayed.  I don't see that it will, but the description was "Presidential hopefuls including Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg and Julian Castro debate."  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 10:01:00 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?

Why do you believe it would?

Do I need to explain inflation?

No, I'm quite confident I don't need you to explain inflation to me.  However, given that you seem to think you're such an expert on it, I'd love to hear your version.

When you're done enlightening all of us on how inflation works, please explain why you think Yang's UBI would be inflationary, especially to the point of rendering the US dollar worthless.  While you're at it, you can explain how Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance and Section 8 housing vouchers have all caused runaway inflation as well.

I'm not an expert on inflation at all, not even a little bit. If you are equating all those entitlement programs with every single American receiving $1000 a month I'm certain that I know more than you though. You know food stamps and section 8 isn't actual cash, right? You know very few Americans get $1000 a month in social security benefits, right?

If you give every person $1000 a month, that thousand dollars will lose its value, quickly, that's a pretty elementary economic concept. Since you mentioned those entitlement programs is Yang cutting them in lieu of this $1000 a month? If so, lol!

The concept of a single mother, in Houston Texas, raising three children while on section 8 housing and receiving social security benefits and food stamps, getting the same $1000 a month as a single 40 year old living in downtown Seattle, earning 6 figures a year is very rough ridin' funny to me.

He seems like a good dude though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I tried looking this thing up on my cable box to see if it'd be replayed.  I don't see that it will, but the description was "Presidential hopefuls including Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg and Julian Castro debate."  :lol:

ABC News and Univision had it exclusively, it will certainly be on their website and mobile app. You could also just watch any of these recaps on cable news. Or just wait 10 minutes for me to breakdown each candidate and tell you who won.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 12, 2019, 10:06:20 PM
would love to see a game of 1 on 1 between him and Obama

I didn't get the impression that he actually plays basketball.

Also has he explained how giving everyone $1000 a month wouldn't make the dollar completely worthless?

Why do you believe it would?

Do I need to explain inflation?

No, I'm quite confident I don't need you to explain inflation to me.  However, given that you seem to think you're such an expert on it, I'd love to hear your version.

When you're done enlightening all of us on how inflation works, please explain why you think Yang's UBI would be inflationary, especially to the point of rendering the US dollar worthless.  While you're at it, you can explain how Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance and Section 8 housing vouchers have all caused runaway inflation as well.

I'm not an expert on inflation at all, not even a little bit. If you are equating all those entitlement programs with every single American receiving $1000 a month I'm certain that I know more than you though. You know food stamps and section 8 isn't actual cash, right? You know very few Americans get $1000 a month in social security benefits, right?

If you give every person $1000 a month, that thousand dollars will lose its value, quickly, that's a pretty elementary economic concept. Since you mentioned those entitlement programs is Yang cutting them in lieu of this $1000 a month? If so, lol!

The concept of a single mother, in Houston Texas, raising three children while on section 8 housing and receiving social security benefits and food stamps, getting the same $1000 a month as a single 40 year old living in downtown Seattle, earning 6 figures a year is very rough ridin' funny to me.

He seems like a good dude though.

I actually am an expert on inflation.  Who needs lessons here?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 12, 2019, 10:10:46 PM
I tried looking this thing up on my cable box to see if it'd be replayed.  I don't see that it will, but the description was "Presidential hopefuls including Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg and Julian Castro debate."  :lol:

Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 12, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
I tried looking this thing up on my cable box to see if it'd be replayed.  I don't see that it will, but the description was "Presidential hopefuls including Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg and Julian Castro debate."  :lol:

Lol

use your record player, you will also become educated in the process- Joe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on September 12, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Literally nobody cares about the crap they discuss in these things, very out of touch
Topics in order have been
Health care
Race
Gun Violence
Immigration
Foreign Policy
27, I'm sure they'll get to proper placement of Confederate bumper stickers, Frozen Tater Tots, the 12 ways to formally wear wife beaters, and how to extend your oil change out of your Camaro by 250 miles in the second half of the debate.

What was the part where they discussed the economy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
How I thought each person did.
Klobochar- Was bad, maybe the worst on stage tonight. Oddly weepy multiple times and completely whiffed when asked about all of the cops in the twin cities murdering black folks.

Booker- Was good when he talked but didn't really mix it up with anyone, seemed like someone about to end his campaign. He's cool a.f. probably too much so though, likely a strategy not to be aggressive, y'all can probably figure out why.

Pete- Was awesome tonight. He does a really good job of masking that he's a moderate, Obama 2.0. He won the debate despite his gaffe early on when he discouraged actual debate, as a debate.

Bernie- WTF bro? Was he this crotchety in '16? Loud, angry, and sounded sick. He was listed as option 2 for me going into tonight, no more, he was the 2nd least presidential person on that stage.

Biden- I actually feel sorry for the dude, he's completely on an island. He does not do a good job of expressing any plan for anything. To be fair he has to spend all of his time defending himself from all sides, minus Pete. He really doesn't distinguish himself that much from the cheeto to me. I don't think either have much to offer, if they didn't have strategists, and I really do think he would make a lot of gaffes because he can't get out of a debate without having one. Maybe he's more like HWB, but he wouldn't have strategists or a cabinet nearly as effective. Heaven help us if he gets the nomination. I'm dead as serious when I say this but I'd rather have William Weld.

Liz- Disappointing, was in complete cruise control mode tonight. She clearly had the strategy to just stay out of the way and she did just that. She, Bernie, and Joe dominated the first 30 minutes on health care and they all frankly sucked. After health care was done she was in chill mode.

Police- I am trying but I don't like her at all. She had a strategy to go after trump, but why? She got bad advise on that strategy. She got worst advise on how to relate to voters. She drops these weird folksy sounding quips and they always fall flat. She should be an ass kicking black woman, especially given she was a prosecutor, but someone probably told her that won't play to the larger public, which is accurate but it leaves her with no audience at all.

Yang- LOL! Dude starts off the night by driving traffic to his site to win $1000 a month for life. It was genius, but lol wtf, this is a presidential debate, it isn't the rough ridin' lottery. He didn't have a thing to say the rest of the night, there were questions that he straight passed on, including foreign policy. Every major campaign has a side show, and he's the one here. Seems like a fun dude though.

Beto- He was so good, smooth, confident, clear. I took exception to his answer on the race question, nevertheless he did very well. He is the left wing Pete, unfortunately for both it isn't their time yet, although both should be VP candidates, Pete for Warren, Beto for Biden. Stay scandal free for 8 years and 2028 will be a hell of a race between the two.

Castro-WOW! My man came to fight and he did it. I don't know if he wanted to show his progressive chops tonight but he did just that. He wanted Joe's head and went straight for it. Was the most aggressive tonight, the debate was not watchable without him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 10:43:07 PM
Literally nobody cares about the crap they discuss in these things, very out of touch
Topics in order have been
Health care
Race
Gun Violence
Immigration
Foreign Policy
27, I'm sure they'll get to proper placement of Confederate bumper stickers, Frozen Tater Tots, the 12 ways to formally wear wife beaters, and how to extend your oil change out of your Camaro by 250 miles in the second half of the debate.

What was the part where they discussed the economy?

They didn't. I don't think that is an issue that's important to democrats right now, but it's still a mistake that they didn't hit the economy. I don't think it's a huge mistake because it will be a focus when the field is narrowed and when the general rolls around.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2019, 10:50:42 PM
Establishment, moderate democrats are about to riot right now. Rahm Emanuel (eff him by the way, eff him hard), Jennifer Granholm, and Mitch Landrieu are losing their crap defending Joe. Rahm said Castro coming after Joe is disqualifying, lol. Again eff him, he should be in jail.

Granholm and Landrieu are pissed because Booker said on CNN that he doesn't know if Joe "can carry the ball across the line." They said that was a personal attack.

These establishment dems are going to eff this up and Hillary the 2020 election because they can't get past their and their buddies self interests.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 12, 2019, 11:32:05 PM
Link here when this whole thing is available to watch in full.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 13, 2019, 02:14:46 AM
that could just be because sys is retweeting every pro Beto tweet ever tweeted.

oh, there were lots more.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 13, 2019, 06:59:10 AM
Good recap MIR


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 13, 2019, 07:28:52 AM
Purely off of MIRs recap, it sounds like it was a great night for my guys Pete and Beto!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on September 13, 2019, 07:33:15 AM
Castro kind of shot himself in the foot by insisting that Biden said something that he didn't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2019, 07:49:37 AM
mir is Castro or Beto your new #2?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 07:56:21 AM
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1172334802755735554?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on September 13, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
From what I’ve seen via sys retweets, Beto is at least real. He comes across as actually caring. The others, warren especially, seem to be constantly pandering. That said Biden is the only one with a chance to beat Trump. They should start letting Biden moderate these things as auditions for who gets to be his VP.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on September 13, 2019, 09:59:15 AM
i watched for maybe 10 minutes, and saw the part wear Biden was mumbling about playing a record player or a recorder or something.  biden is basically les miles at this point in his career.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2019, 10:08:01 AM
Purely off of MIRs recap, it sounds like it was a great night for my guys Pete and Beto!

It absolutely was. I think this is ultimately going to come down to Liz vs. Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2019, 10:09:57 AM
mir is Castro or Beto your new #2?

Probally Beto, but I'm really starting to talk myself into Pete. I can handle a coherent moderate a lot more now than I could in 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2019, 10:14:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1172334802755735554

QFMFT. There is literally zero tangible reason to support him over BootEdgeEdge or Harris or Klo. He is incoherent and hasn't been able to distinguish himself at all. I'm not going to get worked up though, at this point in '04, '08, and '16 got walked down by Iowa. The only leader in September that even won Iowa was Hilz and she and Bernie finished Iowa in a dead heat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 13, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
That's exactly why I don't care about the debates or polling right now. We're still 5 months away from the first votes being cast.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2019, 10:39:37 AM
That's exactly why I don't care about the debates or polling right now. We're still 5 months away from the first votes being cast.

There's no other forum that the candidates don't control where they're forced to defend their stances and past actions. Without debates we won't hear Biden and Castro have to try to explain the immigration policies and lack of justice reforms under the Obama administration, or Liz and Bernie held to how they are going to pay for everything, or Kamala locking people up for smoking weed, or Pete and Klo's unresolved racial/criminal justice issues in the areas they represent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 13, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
I'm usually into that, but so much can happen in 5 months and I'm already exhausted on politics from trump. I just don't have the energy to devote to this yet. We'll see who's left after the first few states vote and then maybe I'll get into it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
I only watched like the first 30 minutes and really enjoyed it. Kamala is just so weird/forced. Biden is terrible. Pete vs Liz is an interesting take. Pete's definitely the best moderate (although the bernie bros and sisses are trying to paint Liz as a corporate shill).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on September 13, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
i watched for maybe 10 minutes, and saw the part wear Biden was mumbling about playing a record player or a recorder or something.  biden is basically les miles at this point in his career.

this is a really good comparo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on September 13, 2019, 12:09:46 PM
One of the major networks really should do 60 minute sit downs with presidential candidates. Fireside chats or whatever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on September 13, 2019, 12:39:30 PM
Phireside with Phil should do it, then i'd watch.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 13, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
One of the major networks really should do 60 minute sit downs with presidential candidates. Fireside chats or whatever.

CNN did this over the summer, it was when Pete broke out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
i watched for maybe 10 minutes, and saw the part wear Biden was mumbling about playing a record player or a recorder or something.  biden is basically les miles at this point in his career.
:D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on September 13, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
how dare you
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 13, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
https://twitter.com/agoldmund/status/1172584001024004096


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
Just so you know, I’m laughing with you on this one @sys:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1172576939606978562?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 13, 2019, 06:19:33 PM
He is so Gen X, goodness.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Great hair. Pushing for Ben Affleck status back then.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on September 13, 2019, 07:29:07 PM
I won't vote for a fricking drunk driver who gets ppl hurt.  Also, won't vote for gays, old goats, pissed off women, hippies from the 60's, forking cops, and anybody who thinks he's doing PH"s "you could win $$$$, for the rest of your life.  Anyone left seems eligible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 13, 2019, 10:01:27 PM
he won't able to drive if we put him in the white house.  it's a public safety issue, really.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 13, 2019, 10:06:47 PM
I won't vote for a fricking drunk driver who gets ppl hurt.  Also, won't vote for gays, old goats, pissed off women, hippies from the 60's, forking cops, and anybody who thinks he's doing PH"s "you could win $$$$, for the rest of your life.  Anyone left seems eligible.

katdaddy, seriously no (to some of that)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 14, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1172334802755735554?s=21

Not that this is compelling, but wouldn't the draw be political and executive experience at the highest level? A foil if you will to our current situation.

It's a joy to listen to Pete communicate. I'm guessing high level executive experience (rolling in international diplomacy) would be thought as something with a short learning curve or as a detriment.

Trump isn't shitty because he had no previous political experience, he's shitty because he's a terrible person. I don't think Biden's experience as VP doesn't close the gap of him being a dull blunder machine. There's no way anyone can hear the two speak and think Biden has a better grasp of anything more than Pete. Hell, at the debate Pete was much more clear and convincing on selling the ACA than Biden was. Also worth noting that he was the VP for a relative political novice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 15, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/EddieZipperer/status/1173196985085677569
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/EddieZipperer/status/1173196985085677569
Pretty great thread about that story

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1172904996880441350?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 15, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
That was a great read


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 15, 2019, 01:30:42 PM
I’m hoping it was all intended as a set-up for the Prince pun at the end
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
ChiCom Joe going strong!!

He needs to tell Pete to get it right in South Bend before trying to go national.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2019, 01:36:19 PM
It actually happened!
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1173342875691692032
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on September 16, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
Man the close talking yearns at the shrimp bowl over that little anecdote were probably fantastic.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2019, 02:35:02 PM
It actually happened!
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1173342875691692032

Holy crap, lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2019, 09:29:36 PM
So he didn't lie about Corn Pop, but he's deep in the pocket of big pharma

Quote
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) criticized fellow Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden for praising drug companies at a fundraiser.

Sanders asserted that he disagreed with Biden, saying the companies are "greedy, corrupt and engaged in price fixing," in a statement obtained by The Hill.

"At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day, America needs a president who isn't going to appease and compliment drug companies - we need a president who will take on the pharmaceutical industry - whether they like it or not. When we defeat Donald Trump, that's exactly what we are going to do," the statement said.

The former vice president commended pharmaceutical drug companies in a fundraiser on Saturday, Bloomberg reported.

"By the way, great drug companies out there - except a couple of opioid outfits," Biden said at the event.

Biden and Sanders went head-to-head, along with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), during the Democratic debate Thursday when discussing their plans for health care.

The former vice president has criticized Sanders' "Medicare for All" plan for costing too much, while Sanders defended the plan saying it aligned with other health systems in other countries. Biden instead wants to reform the Affordable Care Act.

Sanders has advocated to decrease the power of drug companies with an aim at bringing down costs for patients.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2019, 09:33:18 PM
So, pharmaceutical companies as a class are per se bad? Seems like lazy thinking.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2019, 09:42:05 PM
So, pharmaceutical companies as a class are per se bad? Seems like lazy thinking.

Ironic. That's a hell of a leap, but I'm positive you know that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
My comment is critical of Bernie, not you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2019, 10:23:22 PM
My comment is critical of Bernie, not you.

My comment is in defense of Bernie. His quote about pharmaceutical companies is correct, doesn't mean that they also don't do amazing things for our society, but the motivation of the business component of these companies aren't the same as the scientific researchers. The prices are absolutely fixed and the motivation of the companies are to generate profit. You can't be in the business of generating profit to drive up the stock price and have your modus operandi be to help keep as many people alive as possible, those things contradict.

Presidential candidates, especially a supposed liberal, can't be out here getting chummy with an industry you are being entrusted to regulate, cap profits on.

This all seems really obvious, so much so that I have to be missing your angle here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 16, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
My comment is critical of Bernie, not you.

My comment is in defense of Bernie. His quote about pharmaceutical companies is correct, doesn't mean that they also don't do amazing things for our society, but the motivation of the business component of these companies aren't the same as the scientific researchers. The prices are absolutely fixed and the motivation of the companies are to generate profit. You can't be in the business of generating profit to drive up the stock price and have your modus operandi be to help keep as many people alive as possible, those things contradict.

Presidential candidates, especially a supposed liberal, can't be out here getting chummy with an industry you are being entrusted to regulate, cap profits on.

This all seems really obvious, so much so that I have to be missing your angle here.
Private companies are in the business of making profits. With rare exceptions, they owe no duties to the general public other than the duties that every other person and entity owes to the general public. The fault, if any, is with the lawmakers who created and maintain the regulatory and legal environment in which these companies operate. These companies simply are doing the best they can for shareholders within the confines of the current laws.

And yes, many of them are clients. They are like every other business. They do their best to follow the law while maximizing shareholder value. Congress is free to act, but in the absence of action, it's incredulous for Bernie to blame these companies for following the laws as written.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 16, 2019, 11:43:50 PM
biden used to be able to speak in a compelling way (ignore the content).

https://twitter.com/erlichmanr/status/1173466361739169792
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 17, 2019, 12:11:53 AM
My comment is critical of Bernie, not you.

My comment is in defense of Bernie. His quote about pharmaceutical companies is correct, doesn't mean that they also don't do amazing things for our society, but the motivation of the business component of these companies aren't the same as the scientific researchers. The prices are absolutely fixed and the motivation of the companies are to generate profit. You can't be in the business of generating profit to drive up the stock price and have your modus operandi be to help keep as many people alive as possible, those things contradict.

Presidential candidates, especially a supposed liberal, can't be out here getting chummy with an industry you are being entrusted to regulate, cap profits on.

This all seems really obvious, so much so that I have to be missing your angle here.
Private companies are in the business of making profits. With rare exceptions, they owe no duties to the general public other than the duties that every other person and entity owes to the general public. The fault, if any, is with the lawmakers who created and maintain the regulatory and legal environment in which these companies operate. These companies simply are doing the best they can for shareholders within the confines of the current laws.

And yes, many of them are clients. They are like every other business. They do their best to follow the law while maximizing shareholder value. Congress is free to act, but in the absence of action, it's incredulous for Bernie to blame these companies for following the laws as written.

I agree with all of this, but pharmaceutical companies aren't realtors, they aren't car salesmen, not record executives. They are supposed to be in the business of saving lives, that shouldn't be up for the highest bidder. All health care professionals should be held to the Hippocratic Oath, pharma gets to escape that even though their role in this is just as important as doctors. It is 100% in bounds to question the moral compass of anyone or group of people, who have decided to put a price tag on life.

The laws on pharma have never been restricted in this country, it has happened in our lifetime when the industry made the collective decision that profitability was the most important outcome for them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
Spracs is right. They are in the business of making money. And MIR/Bernie/me are saying that profit motive should not be in health care. Because it is morally repugnant and because no one can “shop” for health care in our system. I distinctly remember that hunter weirdo cat emo Emaw was all excited to shop his pregnant wife around to different hospitals for delivery only to find it impossible to get any price from them or navigate the Byzantine health care insurance “networks.” The entire system at every level is premised on leveraging asymmetrical information and our absurd restrictions on generics to profit off people. 

It sucks crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 07:28:07 PM
Also, I still can’t get over how MIR thinks Pete is worth supporting. He is the most cynical guy up there. An absolute serial killer.

Also—- https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm (https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
Also I bet if spracs read ‘The Jungle’ he would roll his eyes and say “this is what the market does when people really want to eat cheap sausage. They aren’t breaking any rules.”

What a world class bootlicker.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 07:58:43 PM
Also I bet if spracs read ‘The Jungle’ he would roll his eyes and say “this is what the market does when people really want to eat cheap sausage. They aren’t breaking any rules.”

What a world class bootlicker.
I have read The Jungle, and I will say that the arc of history is long, but it always bends towards the truth (I vaguely remember someone saying something similar). The whole point of laws and regulations, and really the strength of the American legal system, is that they allow people and businesses to plan their affairs in a productive manner without fear of unknowingly ending up in legal jeopardy. The concept of notice and the ability to rely on laws and regulations are central to the Constitutional promise of due process of law.

I will never fault a business for operating within the boundaries established by Congress, executive agencies, and the federal and state judiciaries. What more can you reasonably demand? Sometimes it takes time for the law to catch up with prevailing public sentiment, but that can be a good thing, too. Bottom line is that your anger should be directed at our lawmakers and not the companies who attempt to maximize profits while abiding by the rules.

And for what it's worth, I agree that fundamental change in our healthcare delivery systems is needed. But for various reasons, some legit and some not, many or most Americans are afraid of what that would mean.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2019, 08:10:52 PM
I will never fault a business for operating within the boundaries established by Congress, executive agencies, and the federal and state judiciaries. What more can you reasonably demand? Sometimes it takes time for the law to catch up with prevailing public sentiment, but that can be a good thing, too. Bottom line is that your anger should be directed at our lawmakers and not the companies who attempt to maximize profits while abiding by the rules.

yeesh

I don't even know where to start with this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Also I bet if spracs read ‘The Jungle’ he would roll his eyes and say “this is what the market does when people really want to eat cheap sausage. They aren’t breaking any rules.”

What a world class bootlicker.
I have read The Jungle, and I will say that the arc of history is long, but it always bends towards the truth (I vaguely remember someone saying something similar). The whole point of laws and regulations, and really the strength of the American legal system, is that they allow people and businesses to plan their affairs in a productive manner without fear of unknowingly ending up in legal jeopardy. The concept of notice and the ability to rely on laws and regulations are central to the Constitutional promise of due process of law.

I will never fault a business for operating within the boundaries established by Congress, executive agencies, and the federal and state judiciaries. What more can you reasonably demand? Sometimes it takes time for the law to catch up with prevailing public sentiment, but that can be a good thing, too. Bottom line is that your anger should be directed at our lawmakers and not the companies who attempt to maximize profits while abiding by the rules.

And for what it's worth, I agree that fundamental change in our healthcare delivery systems is needed. But for various reasons, some legit and some not, many or most Americans are afraid of what that would mean.

This is completely ignorant of the entire actual history of the labor movement and civil rights movement in the US, but your point that people can’t criticize or shame businesses for practices that are an affront to our conscience if they are legal is also dumb as crap so you’ve also got that going for you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 08:25:57 PM
I will never fault a business for operating within the boundaries established by Congress, executive agencies, and the federal and state judiciaries. What more can you reasonably demand? Sometimes it takes time for the law to catch up with prevailing public sentiment, but that can be a good thing, too. Bottom line is that your anger should be directed at our lawmakers and not the companies who attempt to maximize profits while abiding by the rules.

yeesh

I don't even know where to start with this

Can you believe these guys are criticizing the completely legal practices of Woolworths?  How can we expect more of Woolworths than what the law compels of them? They should take it up with their local elected representative!

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/58/8e/d8588e2b54110a35e772ce6773f0a09d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Listen guys, I never said you couldn't hold your own personal views, but rather that it's rich that Senator Sanders is vilifying companies who (a) are simply abiding by the legal framework established by Congress and regulators, and (b) Congress has the power to act, but has not. Bernie is a member of Congress. I will concede that I'm inclined to think of these issues more like a judge and less like a Bernie Bro. Carry on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 08:39:29 PM
And can we stop comparing everything to the vestiges of this country's Original Sin? Immediately shuts off rational debate. But again, I suspect we agree about many needed healthcare reforms. I just disagree with legislators vilifying companies for following the law. On the other hand, it appears to be quite effective.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 08:56:47 PM
Also, I'm mostly just testing arguments, anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 17, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
I just disagree with legislators vilifying companies for following the law. On the other hand, it appears to be quite effective.

Lmao! Yeah no crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2019, 09:04:01 PM


Listen guys, I never said you couldn't hold your own personal views, but rather that it's rich that Senator Sanders is vilifying companies who (a) are simply abiding by the legal framework established by Congress and regulators, and (b) Congress has the power to act, but has not. Bernie is a member of Congress. I will concede that I'm inclined to think of these issues more like a judge and less like a Bernie Bro. Carry on.

I mean, Sanders has tried to regulate them  through legislation. I didn't spend much time researching but this came up pretty quick:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sweeping-plan-to-lower-drug-prices-introduced-in-senate-and-house

I don't really understand why you take such great issue with Sanders criticizing companies who are taking advantage of what he thinks is a shitty legal framework and he is on some level trying to change. Just seems like some weird nitpicking
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 09:08:53 PM


Listen guys, I never said you couldn't hold your own personal views, but rather that it's rich that Senator Sanders is vilifying companies who (a) are simply abiding by the legal framework established by Congress and regulators, and (b) Congress has the power to act, but has not. Bernie is a member of Congress. I will concede that I'm inclined to think of these issues more like a judge and less like a Bernie Bro. Carry on.

I mean, Sanders has tried to regulate them  through legislation. I didn't spend much time researching but this came up pretty quick:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sweeping-plan-to-lower-drug-prices-introduced-in-senate-and-house

I don't really understand why you take such great issue with Sanders criticizing companies who are taking advantage of what he thinks is a shitty legal framework and he is on some level trying to change. Just seems like some weird nitpicking
Thank you for your feedback.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 17, 2019, 10:04:32 PM
i can't believe i agree with the bernie bros on this one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on September 17, 2019, 10:36:29 PM
Spracne couldn’t even get America’s original sin right SMDH.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 17, 2019, 10:50:30 PM


Listen guys, I never said you couldn't hold your own personal views, but rather that it's rich that Senator Sanders is vilifying companies who (a) are simply abiding by the legal framework established by Congress and regulators, and (b) Congress has the power to act, but has not. Bernie is a member of Congress. I will concede that I'm inclined to think of these issues more like a judge and less like a Bernie Bro. Carry on.

I mean, Sanders has tried to regulate them  through legislation. I didn't spend much time researching but this came up pretty quick:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sweeping-plan-to-lower-drug-prices-introduced-in-senate-and-house

I don't really understand why you take such great issue with Sanders criticizing companies who are taking advantage of what he thinks is a shitty legal framework and he is on some level trying to change. Just seems like some weird nitpicking

What do you expect from closet Trump minions?  Spracs can try and be an unbiased third party but the results have been in for a while, and he's not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 17, 2019, 11:25:22 PM
MAGA! Yes, huge Trump supporter, here. Thanks for the mooting, all. Very glad this is not a jury matter, based on the lay feedback.

I guess I should ask, in the face of negative press regarding (non-opioid) pharmaceutical companies, are there any arguments or angles that you find persuasive? Any aspects in which you're at all inclined to sympathize with their interests? Any inclination at all to see things from their point of view rather than viewing them as greedy profitmongers?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2019, 11:55:00 PM
I guess I should ask, in the face of negative press regarding (non-opioid) pharmaceutical companies, are there any arguments or angles that you find persuasive? Any aspects in which you're at all inclined to sympathize with their interests? Any inclination at all to see things from their point of view rather than viewing them as greedy profitmongers?

there sure haven't been any arguments presented in this thread that counter what Bernie said here:

Quote
Sanders asserted that he disagreed with Biden, saying the companies are "greedy, corrupt and engaged in price fixing," in a statement obtained by The Hill.

"At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day, America needs a president who isn't going to appease and compliment drug companies - we need a president who will take on the pharmaceutical industry - whether they like it or not. When we defeat Donald Trump, that's exactly what we are going to do," the statement said.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 18, 2019, 12:00:44 AM
So long as these private companies are responsible for all R&D investment, though, wouldn't it seem unfair for anyone to step in and limit their ability to capitalize on their investments and successes?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 18, 2019, 12:03:05 AM
I guess I should ask, in the face of negative press regarding (non-opioid) pharmaceutical companies, are there any arguments or angles that you find persuasive? Any aspects in which you're at all inclined to sympathize with their interests? Any inclination at all to see things from their point of view rather than viewing them as greedy profitmongers?

there sure haven't been any arguments presented in this thread that counter what Bernie said here:

Quote
Sanders asserted that he disagreed with Biden, saying the companies are "greedy, corrupt and engaged in price fixing," in a statement obtained by The Hill.

"At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day, America needs a president who isn't going to appease and compliment drug companies - we need a president who will take on the pharmaceutical industry - whether they like it or not. When we defeat Donald Trump, that's exactly what we are going to do," the statement said.

How about this?

"Their behavior - developing new medicine - is literally saving people's lives every day.  America needs a president that will work to implement laws and regulations that will allow for these pharmaceutical industry members to be properly compensated and rewarded for their tremendous contributions while allowing such contributions to be accessible by all in need." 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2019, 12:26:16 AM
So long as these private companies are responsible for all R&D investment, though, wouldn't it seem unfair for anyone to step in and limit their ability to capitalize on their investments and successes?

are these private companies responsible for 100% of R&D investment?

anyway, in some cases, it's absolutely fair to limit their ability to capitalize on their investments. An example of a fair way to limit their ability to capitalize might be a lawsuit alleging price fixing (assuming the price fixing actually happened). Another would be requiring more thorough clinical trials for risky treatments. In big, general terms, assuming that a reduction in profits leads to a reduction in deaths, there should be some happy middle ground where people still die and companies still turn profits. so like, yeah it would be unfair to the pharma companies to reduce their return on investment but it's also unfair to people who die because they are overcharged for treatments.

also I mainly took issue with the bizarro "you can't criticize any business if they're following the law" take rather than anything specifically pharma related
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 18, 2019, 12:54:15 AM


So long as these private companies are responsible for all R&D investment, though, wouldn't it seem unfair for anyone to step in and limit their ability to capitalize on their investments and successes?

are these private companies responsible for 100% of R&D investment?

anyway, in some cases, it's absolutely fair to limit their ability to capitalize on their investments. An example of a fair way to limit their ability to capitalize might be a lawsuit alleging price fixing (assuming the price fixing actually happened). Another would be requiring more thorough clinical trials for risky treatments. In big, general terms, assuming that a reduction in profits leads to a reduction in deaths, there should be some happy middle ground where people still die and companies still turn profits. so like, yeah it would be unfair to the pharma companies to reduce their return on investment but it's also unfair to people who die because they are overcharged for treatments.

also I mainly took issue with the bizarro "you can't criticize any business if they're following the law" take than anything specifically pharma related

Assume all of the R&D costs are 100% borne by the company.

And btw, I did not intend to imply you as a private citizen should not be free to lodge any criticism you wanted  to about this or anything else, for that matter.

Assume also that all actions were in compliance with applicable law and overseen/approved by the designated regulatory oversight authority, e.g., the FDA (I'm generalizing to avoid disclosing confidential information, but at the very least the FDA would need to approve).

Further assuming no deceit in terms of marketing either to doctors or consumers is at issue--what possible legal basis exists to hold such a company liable? None occurs to me in law, but does any occur in terms of "rough justice" based on a non-technical analysis? Would a lay jury be amenable to (eventually) ignoring what I regard as legal principles just to stick it to pharma companies perceived as greedy despite taking all the risks to develop and market  life-saving drugs? Assume further that all development and marketing activites complied with existing laws and regulations.

eff 'em anyway, just 'cause?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2019, 01:11:09 AM




So long as these private companies are responsible for all R&D investment, though, wouldn't it seem unfair for anyone to step in and limit their ability to capitalize on their investments and successes?

are these private companies responsible for 100% of R&D investment?

anyway, in some cases, it's absolutely fair to limit their ability to capitalize on their investments. An example of a fair way to limit their ability to capitalize might be a lawsuit alleging price fixing (assuming the price fixing actually happened). Another would be requiring more thorough clinical trials for risky treatments. In big, general terms, assuming that a reduction in profits leads to a reduction in deaths, there should be some happy middle ground where people still die and companies still turn profits. so like, yeah it would be unfair to the pharma companies to reduce their return on investment but it's also unfair to people who die because they are overcharged for treatments.

also I mainly took issue with the bizarro "you can't criticize any business if they're following the law" take than anything specifically pharma related

Assume all of the R&D costs are 100% borne by the company.

And btw, I did not intend to imply you as a private citizen should not be free to lodge any criticism you wanted  to about this or anything else, for that matter.

Assume also that all actions were in compliance with applicable law and overseen/approved by the designated regulatory oversight authority, e.g., the FDA (I'm generalizing to avoid disclosing confidential information, but at the very least the FDA would need to approve).

Further assuming no deceit in terms of marketing either to doctors or consumers is at issue--what possible legal basis exists to hold such a company liable? None occurs to me in law, but does any occur in terms of "rough justice" based on a non-technical analysis? Would a lay jury be amenable to (eventually) ignoring what I regard as legal principles just to stick it to pharma companies perceived as greedy despite taking all the risks to develop and market  life-saving drugs? Assume further that all development and marketing activites complied with existing laws and regulations.

eff 'em anyway, just 'cause?

Hold them liable for what?

Also:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1027-mazzucato-big-pharma-prices-20151027-story.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 18, 2019, 06:04:40 AM
I don’t think it follows at all that by limiting profits you will reduce deaths.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 18, 2019, 06:25:07 AM
Bernie and Joe are fading fast (joke works a couple ways because their poll numbers are dropping and they're literally dying of old age guys). It's going to be the Liz show as foretold.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on September 18, 2019, 06:35:45 AM
It would be rather poetic for Warren to lose the general election as a result of too many voters unwilling to vote for a mentally inferior woman when her biggest rivals from either party are clearly senile.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 18, 2019, 07:45:41 AM
Yeah, there is a pretty reasonable chance of that irl happening


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2019, 08:04:42 AM
As a charter member of the "I wish Trump wouldn't run in 2020" aka Haley 2020, I have to say that that once again the Dems are offering up one of the least inspiring and unimpressive list of potential candidates from a party that self proclaims itself to be the party for "smart people" that I have ever seen.

You let the Clinton's buy the party in 2016, and now you're rolling out piss pants BetoDork, Can't even run South Bend Indiana Pete, Bread Line Bernie,  Tulsi Gabbard who is on some weird bent about Trump attacking Iran when the President has pretty much said he really doesn't want to attack Iran . . . but admittedly he still might, we'll see.   Liz Warren who is the essential definition of a super Lib grandma who records Rachel Maddow on on her DVR when she can't watch live . . .

SMDH, sad.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on September 18, 2019, 08:08:27 AM
I was hoping for Kamala and Corey Booker nicknames in that post.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2019, 08:35:14 AM
Dax, we all know you're going to vote for trump again
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
I don’t think it follows at all that by limiting profits you will reduce deaths.

we don't know the full context of Bernie's quote, and there's a lot of wiggle room in the number of deaths and amount of profit, but IMO this logic could make sense (given M4A is a top platform for Bernie):

1) Medicare for All would reduce deaths
2) Medicare for All would reduce pharmaceutical company profits
3) Pharmaceutical companies will fight Medicare for All to protect profits
4) Bernie says drug companies are greedy price fixers and therefore won't "appease and compliment" them when it comes to health policy

:dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2019, 08:51:05 AM
Dax, we all know you're going to vote for trump again

If your party would offer up anybody but racist war mongers (2016) and ultra left wing whack-a-doo's I'd likely strongly consider voting (D) in 2020, adding the presidency vote to my usual very strong list of (D) votes on the same ballot (and ballots in other elections)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
No you wouldn't
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 18, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
Dax, speaking as your bud, nobody here believes that.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2019, 09:15:08 AM
As I've always said, you've mistaken by contrarianism as being in support of everything Trump does, which is wrong. 

Again, Hillary Clinton, Bread Line Bernie, ChiCom Joe, Liz Warren, Pete, Piss Pants BetoDork and the rest, come on guys, you think Trump is is a joke.   Those are lifetime politicians and political hacks, of which several are probably more corrupt on a political level then Don Trump ever dreamed of being, literally using their former offices in the executive branch to make themselves the richest lifetime politicians in modern American history.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2019, 09:16:06 AM
"just kidding"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2019, 09:20:43 AM
"just kidding"

Not the least bit surprising that the LibBot misunderstands the context.

LibBot Core Temps:  High Nominal

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on September 18, 2019, 09:23:07 AM
Dax, at McDonalds counter: I'll get a salad instead of a Big Mac if you have a salad that tastes better than a Big Mac to me. No? Okay, Big Mac it is!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Dax, at McDonalds counter: I'll get a salad instead of a Big Mac if you have a salad that tastes better than a Big Mac to me. No? Okay, Big Mac it is!

I don't eat at McDonald's.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 18, 2019, 10:07:21 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 01:05:07 AM
Also, I still can’t get over how MIR thinks Pete is worth supporting. He is the most cynical guy up there. An absolute serial killer.

Also—- https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm (https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/22kkCiHxZkbeKfsQZwkvIm)

Thanks for this. First of all, I didn't post about it but I pushed Pete down with Klo, Yang, and Biden into my, absolutely no way in hell pile. It was due to his response to Beto's comment about AKs and ARs. His quote was this.
Quote
"We have agreement among the American people for not just universal background checks, but we have a majority in favor of red flag laws, high-capacity magazines, banning the new sale of assault weapons," Buttigieg said. "This is a golden moment to finally do something."

"When even this president and even Mitch McConnell are at least pretending to be open to reforms, we know that we have a moment on our hands. Let's make the most of it, and get these things done," Buttigieg continued.

Have some balls man. Stop acting like you're going to get any support from congressional republicans. This is the same thinking that had Obama completely waste the first two years of his presidency when he had both the house and the senate.


As far as the TYT article goes, it seems to me that he had plenty room for plausible deniability, but the fact that he continues to not take this on makes me that he doesn't have said plausible deniability. I feel like this could eventually become disqualifying if he does decently in Iowa or New Hampshire, but if he stays on the fringes I don't think the democrats will use it to draw unnecessary blood.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 01:30:48 AM
I guess I should ask, in the face of negative press regarding (non-opioid) pharmaceutical companies, are there any arguments or angles that you find persuasive? Any aspects in which you're at all inclined to sympathize with their interests? Any inclination at all to see things from their point of view rather than viewing them as greedy profitmongers?

there sure haven't been any arguments presented in this thread that counter what Bernie said here:

Quote
Sanders asserted that he disagreed with Biden, saying the companies are "greedy, corrupt and engaged in price fixing," in a statement obtained by The Hill.

"At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day, America needs a president who isn't going to appease and compliment drug companies - we need a president who will take on the pharmaceutical industry - whether they like it or not. When we defeat Donald Trump, that's exactly what we are going to do," the statement said.

How about this?

"Their behavior - developing new medicine - is literally saving people's lives every day.  America needs a president that will work to implement laws and regulations that will allow for these pharmaceutical industry members to be properly compensated and rewarded for their tremendous contributions while allowing such contributions to be accessible by all in need."

No one replied to this so I will. I'd like to know where that quote came from and whether or not the person said it in reply to Bernie's quote. It isn't a rebuttal at all, in fact it looks to me that they're saying the exact same thing, there needs to be price controls in place. My issue with the position that spracs seemed to take is that you can't have price controls, allow pharma to do their r&d, and have a nice profit, without price controls. There are 5 American pharmaceuticals on list of the world's 100 richest public companies. Revenues from all pharmaceuticals are rising 5.5 times greater than research costs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 01:35:21 AM
As a charter member of the "I wish Trump wouldn't run in 2020" aka Haley 2020, I have to say that that once again the Dems are offering up one of the least inspiring and unimpressive list of potential candidates from a party that self proclaims itself to be the party for "smart people" that I have ever seen.

You let the Clinton's buy the party in 2016, and now you're rolling out piss pants BetoDork, Can't even run South Bend Indiana Pete, Bread Line Bernie,  Tulsi Gabbard who is on some weird bent about Trump attacking Iran when the President has pretty much said he really doesn't want to attack Iran . . . but admittedly he still might, we'll see.   Liz Warren who is the essential definition of a super Lib grandma who records Rachel Maddow on on her DVR when she can't watch live . . .

SMDH, sad.

At one point there were 24 democratic candidates for president, you didn't choice a syllable of support for any of them, nor have you Bill Weld. We see right through you and you lie as well as the cheeto you're going to vote for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 19, 2019, 09:55:08 AM
What is it about Trump that made D candidates quit trying to seem normal ?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 19, 2019, 10:05:45 AM
I'd like to know where that quote came from and whether or not the person said it in reply to Bernie's quote. It isn't a rebuttal at all, in fact it looks to me that they're saying the exact same thing, there needs to be price controls in place.

I made it up, tweaking the Bernie quote that Rusty posted, to sort of take on spracne's posit about a different mindset/approach.  It's a statement that starts to address the ultimate grievance - making sure people in need can access the medicine in question - without calling those who make the medicine murderers, which is ridiculous.

It's also not an argument for price controls necessarily.  It recognizes that people who invent/develop medicine are contributing amazing things to the world and should be handsomely rewarded, both as a thank you and to motivate them and future people to dedicate their lives to that career, and calls for implementing systems that continue to handsomely reward those people while closing any loopholes that are truly precluding people in need from accessing the products.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2019, 10:09:07 AM
I don't think anyone called the medicinal companies murderers. They just don't really care if people end up dead.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 19, 2019, 10:26:21 AM
I don't think anyone called the medicinal companies murderers. They just don't really care if people end up dead.

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At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day

And to say that they just don't really care if people end up dead would be ignoring that their product is stuff that keeps people from ending up dead.  That logic would have us all in the same boat.  Any of us could've chosen a career path of creating medicine or any number of medical or safety-based pursuits.  I suppose my career choice of operating a KSU-ish bbs rather than investing my efforts into making medicine has theoretically killed a bunch of people over the years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Yeah, most people don't really care if poor people end up dying. The drug companies aren't unique. They are just viewed poorly because people think that a company whose mission is to create the drugs that save people should care if people are able to afford the drugs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2019, 11:13:26 AM
You’re kind of ignoring that the companies typically hold the exclusive right to make the drug, or have been able to ensure they control the only means to distribute it to the American public. Companies in that position either need to share some social responsibility or the laws need to change.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
It’s really not that different from companies that provide gas or electricity. I mean big thanks for providing that service and you deserve to be compensated, but we’re not gonna let you operate just like any other private company given how much people rely on you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on September 19, 2019, 11:22:35 AM
The companies and their geniuses should invest their skills and resources in making uber for _____ apps instead.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 11:38:16 AM
I don't think anyone called the medicinal companies murderers. They just don't really care if people end up dead.

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At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day

And to say that they just don't really care if people end up dead would be ignoring that their product is stuff that keeps people from ending up dead.  That logic would have us all in the same boat.  Any of us could've chosen a career path of creating medicine or any number of medical or safety-based pursuits.  I suppose my career choice of operating a KSU-ish bbs rather than investing my efforts into making medicine has theoretically killed a bunch of people over the years.

He clearly had the Sacklers in mind when he said that, he should have been more careful so that his quote couldn't have been extrapolated to extend to all of pharma, although the Sacklers are far from the only ones that have unapologetically left a body count.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 19, 2019, 03:57:11 PM
and now you're rolling out piss pants BetoDork

today i randomly encountered this information, which allowed me to finally figure out wtf dax was talking about back here.  the fact that dax encounters any beto-related information before i do is startling and amazing.

https://twitter.com/consequence/status/1174677744342511622
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on September 19, 2019, 04:52:13 PM
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1174766712169869313

 :Ugh:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
Higher costs for everyone! :billdance:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 08:42:49 PM
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1174766712169869313

 :Ugh:

eff that piece of crap, I hope that turtle looking [redacted] gets hit by a bus. His dumb eff hillbilly constituents in Kentucky would really benefit from things like this but the dumb poors love that R more than they love themselves and their old parents and illiterate kids, so they keep voting for a turtle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 19, 2019, 09:57:25 PM
sys, what has happened to Betos polls since he said he wants to confiscate guns or whatever he said?
woof....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 19, 2019, 10:52:28 PM
sys, what has happened to Betos polls since he said he wants to confiscate guns or whatever he said?
woof....

they went up slightly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 19, 2019, 11:08:46 PM
Oh good, people on the radio tonight said went from 4 percent to 1 percent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 20, 2019, 01:30:52 AM
Oh good, people on the radio tonight said went from 4 percent to 1 percent.

if i want to say something negative about beto, i'd use his worst recent poll - 1%.  if i wanted to say something positive, i'd use his best recent poll - 5%.  if i wasn't a hack and just wanted to find out if there's been any change, as best as can be determined from publicly available data, i'd use a polling average.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 20, 2019, 11:45:58 AM
I have created a term for what sys is describing,  sonovabitchery
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on September 24, 2019, 11:45:14 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1176526908235878400

How the hell did Tulsi come back from the dead?!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 24, 2019, 11:47:21 AM
Maybe people were on the fence between Gabbard and Harris? Harris has not been doing well the last few debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on September 24, 2019, 09:00:41 PM
I’d love to see Gabbard and Warren go toe-to-toe, but I’m betting the DNC will not let Tulsi near their chosen one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 24, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1176526908235878400

How the hell did Tulsi come back from the dead?!

People are realizing that she's not completely insane?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2019, 11:54:22 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1176526908235878400

How the hell did Tulsi come back from the dead?!

New Hampshire is a good electorate for her, lots of independents.

I’d love to see Gabbard and Warren go toe-to-toe, but I’m betting the DNC will not let Tulsi near their chosen one.

You sound full on crazy, libdax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on September 26, 2019, 01:31:30 PM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
I listened to Biden semi PAK'd last night (First night out with the Mrs for her birthday since having lil wacky) and I cringed. He was awful and sounded DAF and I don't think I had ever really listened to him before. The sooner they get Trump, Bernie, and Biden out of this thing, the better. I think i'm a BETO guy now. @sys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 26, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
You would hate Beto, just FYI
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 01:42:43 PM
Damn.  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2019, 06:35:16 PM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more

They all live in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut right? :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on September 26, 2019, 06:41:59 PM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more

They all live in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut right? :jerk:

I think it relates more to the dem war chest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2019, 04:41:27 AM
https://twitter.com/morganisawizard/status/1177367485265469445?s=21
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 27, 2019, 07:30:31 AM
Good point MJ. If only those Kent State students had AR-15s, that tragedy could have been avoided.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2019, 08:00:13 AM
Relax cata
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 27, 2019, 08:40:52 AM
Ah yes, back in the good old days with dax's favorite president, dick "didn't do anything wrong" nixon
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more

They all live in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut right? :jerk:

I think it relates more to the dem war chest.

Drop in the bucket.

get it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2019, 08:51:18 AM
Ah yes, back in the good old days with dax's favorite president, dick "didn't do anything wrong" nixon

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 28, 2019, 03:37:31 AM
Damn.  :frown:

you might have some quibbles with some of the race stuff, but other than that, i think you'll like beto.  welcome aboard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 28, 2019, 04:58:19 AM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more

They all live in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut right? :jerk:

I think it relates more to the dem war chest.

Drop in the bucket.

get it?

........ and to mask the fear running through their soul they both whistled loudly as they walked briskley through the graveyard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 28, 2019, 05:05:54 AM
I listened to Biden semi PAK'd last night (First night out with the Mrs for her birthday since having lil wacky) and I cringed. He was awful and sounded DAF and I don't think I had ever really listened to him before. The sooner they get Trump, Bernie, and Biden out of this thing, the better. I think i'm a BETO guy now. @sys

This sounds like a good fit for you  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 28, 2019, 09:09:09 AM
Hey @420seriouscat69, what's your beef with Pete? Hate the gays?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 09:17:55 AM
I love the gays! I don’t know enough about him. I’ll check him out and get back to you. He seems popular on here, but doesn’t have enough negative attributes about him yet, for me to know he’s running. Probably a good sign.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on September 28, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
I love the gays! I don’t know enough about him. I’ll check him out and get back to you. He seems popular on here, but doesn’t have enough negative attributes about him yet, for me to know he’s running. Probably a good sign.


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Some dems hate him for being successful — Harvard and Oxford educated, consultant at McKinsey, Naval Reserve officer deployed to Afghanistan. Basically he’s too elite for the far left to embrace.

Pubs think he sucks for not having fixed all of South Bend’s problems as mayor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 02:59:34 PM
I love the gays! I don’t know enough about him. I’ll check him out and get back to you. He seems popular on here, but doesn’t have enough negative attributes about him yet, for me to know he’s running. Probably a good sign.


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Some dems hate him for being successful — Harvard and Oxford educated, consultant at McKinsey, Naval Reserve officer deployed to Afghanistan. Basically he’s too elite for the far left to embrace.

Pubs think he sucks for not having fixed all of South Bend’s problems as mayor.
Welp, sold! :love: Sounds like a goddamn bootstrapper to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
I love the gays! I don’t know enough about him. I’ll check him out and get back to you. He seems popular on here, but doesn’t have enough negative attributes about him yet, for me to know he’s running. Probably a good sign.


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Some dems hate him for being successful — Harvard and Oxford educated, consultant at McKinsey, Naval Reserve officer deployed to Afghanistan. Basically he’s too elite for the far left to embrace.

Pubs think he sucks for not having fixed all of South Bend’s problems as mayor.

He has strong moderate energy which makes him disliked by almost everyone (but loved by me).


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 28, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
Pete is perfectly acceptable for 420seriouscat69
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 03:41:43 PM
You guys had me at moderate and extreme left hating him, guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 28, 2019, 04:16:18 PM
I mean, he still loves socialism
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2019, 04:20:42 PM
I mean, he still loves socialism

He barely does


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 28, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
I mean, he still loves socialism

He barely does


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Only because that's a threshold issue for success in the dem primaries.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2019, 05:07:32 PM
I mean, he still loves socialism

He barely does


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Only because that's a threshold issue for success in the dem primaries.

YES! Which gives me hope he doesn’t even barely love it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 28, 2019, 05:59:56 PM
Psh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on September 28, 2019, 06:08:13 PM
Psh
Phillip is dead, dummie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on September 29, 2019, 10:25:55 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1178019339980673024/pu/img/kZAEQ9RQuj4hCIPC?format=jpg&name=medium (https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1178019339980673024/pu/img/kZAEQ9RQuj4hCIPC?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2019, 11:28:16 PM
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1177262354993733632

Makes me like her more

They all live in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut right? :jerk:

I think it relates more to the dem war chest.

Drop in the bucket.

get it?

........ and to mask the fear running through their soul they both whistled loudly as they walked briskley through the graveyard.

It would be much much more costly for any Democratic candidate to be someone that wall street would be comfortable with. Common sense for most, but a hilarious ray of hope for dipshits like 27.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 29, 2019, 11:47:39 PM
you might want to double check wall streets level of contributions to 'crats
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 30, 2019, 01:28:06 AM
you might want to double check wall streets level of contributions to 'crats

People on wall street donate to democrats, whhhhaaaaattttt? NOOOOOOO WAAAAYYYYYY!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 30, 2019, 08:18:37 AM
Sadly, I just don't think America is ready for a female president. I don't think it's really a conscious thing either, I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 30, 2019, 09:34:43 AM
It is absolutely a conscious thing for so very many right wing morons
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 30, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
It is absolutely a conscious thing for so very many right wing morons

 :lol: :lol: The Clinton's literally had to buy the party and turn the DNC on Bernie in order to get a female nominated.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on September 30, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
Sadly, I just don't think America is ready for a female president. I don't think it's really a conscious thing either, I just don't see it happening.

3 million more Americans voted for Hillary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
Sadly, I just don't think America is ready for a female president. I don't think it's really a conscious thing either, I just don't see it happening.

3 million more Americans voted for Hillary

Well, by square footage they aren’t ready


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on September 30, 2019, 04:29:06 PM
Sadly, I just don't think America is ready for a female president. I don't think it's really a conscious thing either, I just don't see it happening.

3 million more Americans voted for Hillary

Well, by square footage they aren’t ready


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lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 01, 2019, 02:54:20 AM
q3 fundraising guesses:

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19
sanders - 17
biden - 16
harris - 8
yang - 8
booker - 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2019, 08:15:42 AM
Pres Liz Warren will be 4 years of glorious BBS’ing. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2019, 08:22:28 AM
q3 fundraising guesses:

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19
sanders - 17
biden - 16
harris - 8
yang - 8
booker - 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-raises-massive-dollar253-million-in-third-quarter?ref=scroll
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 01, 2019, 09:31:57 AM
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/789972c1def34395cd9ebcb60f43c14a5f0a1a0b/0_38_3449_2069/3449.jpg?width=1920&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=581a831a75652234352a8582ac35690c)

YOU MAD SYS?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 01, 2019, 02:22:26 PM
impressed.  got buttigieg and booker's asses though.


q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16
harris - 8
yang - 8
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 01, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
i gave too much credence to talk of harris struggling.

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
Yang gang  :love:

(https://i.redd.it/n1ppk8joruo31.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 01, 2019, 06:15:12 PM
Big Don Q3 fundraising $125 millies   :driving:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 02, 2019, 09:00:20 AM
Big Don Q3 fundraising $125 millies   :driving:

Will he be able to transfer that money to Pence's 2020 campaign?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 02, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
Yang with $10 million in Q3.  That's more than triple his Q2 fundraising.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2019, 10:09:04 AM
Sorry KK and all other Bernie Bros. The list of Dem candidates much too old to govern shrinks to 1.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1179408141349466113
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 02, 2019, 10:16:25 AM
Shrinks to 1 or by 1?  Warren is in her 70s too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
Yeah, she’s 70. That’s probably as old as you can be for your first term. Unless you’re in terrible physical shape (Trump, Taft, etc).


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2019, 10:19:56 AM
But I’m very willing to move that number down and can certainly be convinced!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2019, 10:21:10 AM
Liz doesn't seem 70 tho, I never really think of her as being old af
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
Liz doesn't seem 70 tho, I never really think of her as being old af

she's not yet old person sketti'brained like trump/biden/bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 02, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
https://twitter.com/The_Law_Boy/status/1179417205471096833
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on October 02, 2019, 10:45:20 AM
Liz is definitely aging better than her old balls counterparts.  She seems like early 60's tops.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
Yeah, Liz is in great shape.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 02, 2019, 04:27:17 PM
Congrats to Kansas Dems!

https://twitter.com/fairvote/status/1179215693914497025?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on October 02, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/tweak-vote
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 02, 2019, 11:25:51 PM
explosive growth in fundraising for yang.  his polling has been getting stronger too.

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2019, 06:56:12 AM
How does the money work when you drop out? Can you just give it to your next choice? Like can Bernie give it to Liz from his death bead?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 03, 2019, 07:55:08 AM
How does the money work when you drop out? Can you just give it to your next choice? Like can Bernie give it to Liz from his death bead?


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He could only give $2k to Liz. 

Most likely scenarios for most candidates is they keep the money in campaign accounts for the next time they run for office. Other options are, they can transfer the money to the party or they can donate it to a charity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
Fattyfund needs to contact Bernie immediately


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2019, 08:27:15 AM
This is so irl I can smell it

https://twitter.com/stavvybaby/status/1179423222535802888


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 03, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
pretty close on biden.

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 million
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2019, 05:22:52 AM
Yang gang  :love:

he is a man of the people. would be the coolest and dorkiest president.

why is the more progressive party voting for crusty 70 year old corpses?

vegas has yang a solid 4th! #yangbang
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 04, 2019, 05:51:21 AM
Yang gang  :love:

he is a man of the people. would be the coolest and dorkiest president.

why is the more progressive party voting for crusty 70 year old corpses?

vegas has yang a solid 4th! #yangbang

IDpol smh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2019, 08:50:37 AM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 04, 2019, 09:53:27 AM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 04, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.

So you couldn't spend $1000/month on health care or child care?  Who do you think would pay the bulk of a VAT and carbon tax?

I'd really like to hear from you and MIR on why the freedom dividend would be inflationary.  I challenged MIR a couple weeks ago to explain why, but never got any response.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 04, 2019, 11:26:56 AM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.

So you couldn't spend $1000/month on health care or child care?  Who do you think would pay the bulk of a VAT and carbon tax?

I'd really like to hear from you and MIR on why the freedom dividend would be inflationary.  I challenged MIR a couple weeks ago to explain why, but never got any response.

VAT is going to affect poor people way more than rich, any consumption tax does. A carbon tax without huge investments in transportation infrastructure will really hurt the rural poor.

I think we should evaluate policies of candidates but also ideologies and theories of change and Yang would be first in line to cut Social Security and the rest of the entitlement programs and turn them over to "disruptive innovators." He fundamentally believes that entrepreneurship is the key to solving our problems. So that's what we will get.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 04, 2019, 11:53:26 AM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.

So you couldn't spend $1000/month on health care or child care?  Who do you think would pay the bulk of a VAT and carbon tax?

I'd really like to hear from you and MIR on why the freedom dividend would be inflationary.  I challenged MIR a couple weeks ago to explain why, but never got any response.

VAT is going to affect poor people way more than rich, any consumption tax does. A carbon tax without huge investments in transportation infrastructure will really hurt the rural poor.

I think we should evaluate policies of candidates but also ideologies and theories of change and Yang would be first in line to cut Social Security and the rest of the entitlement programs and turn them over to "disruptive innovators." He fundamentally believes that entrepreneurship is the key to solving our problems. So that's what we will get.

Glad to see you dropped the idea that the Freedom Dividend is inflationary.

Consumption taxes only affect the poor more than the rich on a relative basis compared to income.  They affect the rich much more on an absolute basis, though.  Additionally, the Freedom Dividend affects both groups the same on an absolute basis, so that means it's benefiting the poor much more on relative basis.  If you are receiving $12,000 per year ($24,000 for a couple), what would your annual spending have to be to be worse off under a 10% VAT?  And that's just spending, not income.

In terms of a carbon tax the rural poor would be better off paying a little bit more for energy and receiving $12,000 per year per person.  The additional energy costs are quite small compared to what you are receiving back.  A carbon tax that just goes to fund other government programs is going to be bad for the rural poor.  A carbon tax that is rebated back to the population on a per capita basis is not going to make them worse off.

Low-income households are going to be better off receiving support that is not means tested.  With mean-tested benefits, they are penalized with implicit taxes when income starts going up.  With the Freedom Dividend, you don't receive less benefits the more you earn.

I am all for looking at ways to improve the entitlement programs that we have.  It's completely ridiculous that we have no privatization in Social Security at all.  Chile was able to privatize their social security program.  Sweden has a partially privatized system.  Neither is perfect, but there are some pretty easy ways to at least partially privatize Social Security in the US.  I'm not looking for more of the same in a presidential candidate.  I'm looking for someone who's going to change the way these issues are looked at.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 04, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.

are the other candidates that much better in those areas? i see he's not in favor of taxing the rich, but even if rich were taxed more perhaps 1k a month still outweighs it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 04, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
got warren's ass.

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 05, 2019, 05:55:47 AM
Thank you for saving Breadline Bernie US healthcare!

https://twitter.com/breathesaltair/status/1180071876791537670?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2019, 07:48:19 AM
Incredible cringe factor here

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1180188237320482816


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 05, 2019, 02:05:01 PM
yes that is partly true for me but would be the least divisive candidate for most of america

i also think the freedom dividend will have the most benefit to my own life, and also probably true for a majority of americans compared to any other policy

health care, child care and raising taxes on the rich would benefit way more aericans than $1,000/mo inflation dividend.

So you couldn't spend $1000/month on health care or child care?  Who do you think would pay the bulk of a VAT and carbon tax?

I'd really like to hear from you and MIR on why the freedom dividend would be inflationary.  I challenged MIR a couple weeks ago to explain why, but never got any response.

VAT is going to affect poor people way more than rich, any consumption tax does. A carbon tax without huge investments in transportation infrastructure will really hurt the rural poor.

I think we should evaluate policies of candidates but also ideologies and theories of change and Yang would be first in line to cut Social Security and the rest of the entitlement programs and turn them over to "disruptive innovators." He fundamentally believes that entrepreneurship is the key to solving our problems. So that's what we will get.

Glad to see you dropped the idea that the Freedom Dividend is inflationary.

Consumption taxes only affect the poor more than the rich on a relative basis compared to income.  They affect the rich much more on an absolute basis, though.  Additionally, the Freedom Dividend affects both groups the same on an absolute basis, so that means it's benefiting the poor much more on relative basis.  If you are receiving $12,000 per year ($24,000 for a couple), what would your annual spending have to be to be worse off under a 10% VAT?  And that's just spending, not income.

In terms of a carbon tax the rural poor would be better off paying a little bit more for energy and receiving $12,000 per year per person.  The additional energy costs are quite small compared to what you are receiving back.  A carbon tax that just goes to fund other government programs is going to be bad for the rural poor.  A carbon tax that is rebated back to the population on a per capita basis is not going to make them worse off.

Low-income households are going to be better off receiving support that is not means tested.  With mean-tested benefits, they are penalized with implicit taxes when income starts going up.  With the Freedom Dividend, you don't receive less benefits the more you earn.

I am all for looking at ways to improve the entitlement programs that we have.  It's completely ridiculous that we have no privatization in Social Security at all.  Chile was able to privatize their social security program.  Sweden has a partially privatized system.  Neither is perfect, but there are some pretty easy ways to at least partially privatize Social Security in the US.  I'm not looking for more of the same in a presidential candidate.  I'm looking for someone who's going to change the way these issues are looked at.

The vast array of problems that affect lower to middle income families due to huge increases in the prices of health care, education, and housing that happened at the same time there was a break in the link between worker productivity and wages aren't going to go away for $1,000/month.

You should really look in to what relative and absolute mean and then go back to the drawing board, because your thinking here is shoddy. The poor are hit harder by consumption taxes (especially in a state like Kansas that taxes groceries) because the poor have much less discretionary spending. Their consumption spending is to live and all taxes on that basic survival consumption squeezes them much more REALTIVELY than a guy deciding whether to add the Bose surround sound option on his new truck. Your bullshit about how the VAT will affect rich more on an "absolute basis" (because they consume more) and benefit the poor more on a relative basis (because they are desparate? lol!) gave me a heads up that you were absolutely the kind of person for whom this scheme is designed to impress.

The Freedom Benefit will absolutely have an impact on housing without any push for supply side interventions. Landlords will literally go rent-seeking in this environment. Look at BAH rate setting in communities surrounding military bases and see what happens to rents for both military and civilian. Without major interventions to increase the supply of housing, this problem will worsen.

As for your ideas about privatizing Social Security, I rest my case. The whole idea is simply a stalking horse for cutting all other benefits and just claiming that it is a UBI, which it isn't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 05, 2019, 02:11:17 PM
One thing is clear: It sucks to be poor. How do we fix that problem?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 05, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
One thing is clear: It sucks to be poor. How do we fix that problem?

$1,000/month.  BOOM! solved.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 05, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
Lol. I feel you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 06, 2019, 04:25:28 AM
Elon Musk is the smartest person in the world and he endorses Yang /thread
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2019, 08:04:07 AM
Elon has a cringe factor off the charts. Very smart though.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 06, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Elon Musk is the smartest person in the world and he endorses Yang /thread

I think we can all agree that most of us here share the same political and class interests as a weirdo billionaire.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 06, 2019, 04:36:12 PM
im just going to have to side with the genius who thinks a lot about the future who knows a ton about technology and economics than random posters from goEMAW :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 07, 2019, 09:03:58 AM
coolest and dorkiest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJoYyeThpGA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2019, 10:24:24 AM
Liz Warren:  Always lyin, trying to float (another) lie that she was fired as a teacher for being pregnant. 

SMDH.  Just a shame ChiCom Joe is so corrupt, he'd be a shoe-in for the nom.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2019, 10:26:13 AM
Focus shifting folks


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2019, 10:42:40 AM
Mega corrupt-racist-war monger ChiCom Joe under scrutiny

Liz Warren back to lyin Liz

Bernie recovering from a heart attack

BetoDork getting weirder by the day

It explains a lot in terms of what is going on in Washington.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 07, 2019, 11:56:31 AM
I think that's an endorsement for Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 07, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
I think that's an endorsement for Pete.

I'd say it's more of an endorsement for the candidate with the fourth best betting odds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2019, 02:02:05 PM
Dax has already thoroughly discredited/destroyed Pete ITT.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 07, 2019, 05:33:21 PM
pretty good fundraising out of ol' klobsie.

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5
klobuchar - 4 = 5
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 07, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Didn’t warren raise 24?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 07, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Also how does buttigieg keep fundraising so much? Aren’t all of his donors maxed already?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 07, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
24.6
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 07, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Also how does buttigieg keep fundraising so much? Aren’t all of his donors maxed already?

he and biden are the only ones of those i listed whose fundraising went down (harris i think went down if you remove rounding, and also probably her q3 total was frontloaded, but regardless), so he may have has some donors maxed out to partially explain his numbers.  i haven't looked at any of the numbers he released to see if it looks like the % from max donors is down or anything, though.

he actually has a really good small donor list though, it's not all big donors.  without trying to overly rely on stereotypes, i think it helps that a significant fraction of his supporters have a lot of disposable income.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 07, 2019, 05:47:08 PM
Also how does buttigieg keep fundraising so much? Aren’t all of his donors maxed already?

he and biden are the only ones of those i listed whose fundraising went down (harris i think went down if you remove rounding, and also probably her q3 total was frontloaded, but regardless), so he may have has some donors maxed out to partially explain his numbers.  i haven't looked at any of the numbers he released to see if it looks like the % from max donors is down or anything, though.

he actually has a really good small donor list though, it's not all big donors.  without trying to overly rely on stereotypes, i think it helps that a significant fraction of his supporters have a lot of disposable income.

The gays love him! And why shouldn’t they? After being forced to act like Hillary Clinton was some sort of gay icon they should at least get someone who plays for the home team.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2019, 08:27:12 PM
Also how does buttigieg keep fundraising so much? Aren’t all of his donors maxed already?

he and biden are the only ones of those i listed whose fundraising went down (harris i think went down if you remove rounding, and also probably her q3 total was frontloaded, but regardless), so he may have has some donors maxed out to partially explain his numbers.  i haven't looked at any of the numbers he released to see if it looks like the % from max donors is down or anything, though.

he actually has a really good small donor list though, it's not all big donors.  without trying to overly rely on stereotypes, i think it helps that a significant fraction of his supporters have a lot of disposable income.

The gays love him! And why shouldn’t they? After being forced to act like Hillary Clinton was some sort of gay icon they should at least get someone who plays for the home team.

I still contest that he's going to do much better here than he is polling
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 07, 2019, 09:16:22 PM
I am starting to be concerned that the D's might not have anybody left for Trump to mop the floor with at the rate they are eliminating themselves  :surprised:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 08:15:22 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/trump_vs_clinton_is_still_neck_and_neck

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on October 08, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/trump_vs_clinton_is_still_neck_and_neck


She couldn't win the primary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2019, 01:00:48 PM
Roflmao, is there a bigger Hillary stan on this blog than daxycat78?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 08, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
https://twitter.com/deepa_shivaram/status/1181617016756682753?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 08:02:50 PM
"don't tempt me" Hillary Clinton

Utterly Disenfranchised LibBot 1.0 is going to flip his crap if she decides to run.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on October 08, 2019, 08:36:28 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/122e2f06b6f8baee1dea0fbdd3aea386/tumblr_p824br4FnJ1uutnkko3_500.gifv)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
Oh look, I posted and Chin shows up.  (with a really whack job referential GIF)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 08, 2019, 10:00:00 PM
https://twitter.com/deepa_shivaram/status/1181617016756682753?s=20

so great.  i hope she laughed, or at least someone in her campaign laughed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 08, 2019, 11:35:49 PM
She’s such a cop
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2019, 08:11:45 AM
I think she's great. I don't like kids, either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 09, 2019, 10:04:26 AM
The vast array of problems that affect lower to middle income families due to huge increases in the prices of health care, education, and housing that happened at the same time there was a break in the link between worker productivity and wages aren't going to go away for $1,000/month.

You should really look in to what relative and absolute mean and then go back to the drawing board, because your thinking here is shoddy. The poor are hit harder by consumption taxes (especially in a state like Kansas that taxes groceries) because the poor have much less discretionary spending. Their consumption spending is to live and all taxes on that basic survival consumption squeezes them much more REALTIVELY than a guy deciding whether to add the Bose surround sound option on his new truck. Your bullshit about how the VAT will affect rich more on an "absolute basis" (because they consume more) and benefit the poor more on a relative basis (because they are desparate? lol!) gave me a heads up that you were absolutely the kind of person for whom this scheme is designed to impress.

The Freedom Benefit will absolutely have an impact on housing without any push for supply side interventions. Landlords will literally go rent-seeking in this environment. Look at BAH rate setting in communities surrounding military bases and see what happens to rents for both military and civilian. Without major interventions to increase the supply of housing, this problem will worsen.

As for your ideas about privatizing Social Security, I rest my case. The whole idea is simply a stalking horse for cutting all other benefits and just claiming that it is a UBI, which it isn't.

They might not go away for $1000/month, but it is certainly a start.  There are lots of issues to solve with healthcare, but the Freedom Dividend doesn't preclude any of them.  Housing issues are largely a local thing.  Not everywhere in the country is having problems with housing.  It is largely a zoning and NIMBY problem in select areas.  As far as education goes, there is far too much higher education (college) that is being undertaken in this country.  It is a drain on our economy and people's lives.  I would recommend reading The Case Against Education.

I'll try and break it down with numbers so that you can see how a VAT with the Freedom Dividend (basically a per capita rebate) would make low income households better off.  I am quite confident I understand relative and absolute.  The only confusion is not on my part and it has nothing to do with being desperate.

Let's say there is a household of two parents and two children whose household income is $25,000 and they spend 100% of their income.  With a 10% VAT this means $2500 of their spending will be for the VAT and their burden for the VAT is 10% of income.

Let's say there is another household (two parents and two children) with an income of $800,000 and they spend 60% of their income.  With a VAT of 10% this means $48,000 of their spending will be for the VAT and their burden for the VAT is 6% of their income.

For the tax part, the lower income household is paying a higher relative share of their income (10% vs 6%), but the higher income household is paying a higher absolute amount ($48,000 vs $2500).

Then comes the per capita rebate part (Freedom Dividend).  Each household receives $24,000 from the Freedom Dividend ($12,000 per adult).  Each household is receiving the same absolute amount for the Freedom Dividend ($24,000 vs $24,000).  However, the $24,000 represents 96% of the lower income household's income and 3% of the higher income household's income.  The lower income household is better off on a relative basis (96% vs 3%).

I will admit that the Freedom Dividend is designed to appeal to people like me (PhDs in Economics) and perhaps not you.

You're going to have to describe more about BAH rate setting and communities that surround bases.  I looked for journal articles on this and could not find any.  I can imagine that when you have an influx of people come to a military base, that is going to increase demand and cause rents to go up.  Eventually, the housing supply will increase, though, and moderate rents if markets are allowed to function.  Look at Manhattan, KS, for example, rents are stable (and decreasing in some cases) now that there has been a large increase in the supply of housing.

I personally don't think trying to figure out ways to make the wealth redistribution that occurs in this country more efficient and less-stigmatizing to be a bad thing.  Also, I believe looking at ways to keep Social Security viable for the next 30 years is a good thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 09, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
Bernie Bros = Trump Supporters exactly


https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1181947053271855104


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2019, 04:44:48 PM
CNN isn't using incandescent lighting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2019, 07:42:16 PM
Bernie Bros = Trump Supporters exactly


https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1181947053271855104


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Oh man, don't get me started, I lost my crap over the weekend with one of these massive dipshits claiming media bias with clips of opinion givers giving options about Bernie, the fuckhead even had Republicans within the clip
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2019, 07:44:48 PM
Psychopath.
https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1180861651479871488


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 09, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
Psychopath.
https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1180861651479871488
Great work there
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on October 10, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
feel the BURN!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 10, 2019, 07:44:21 PM
folks


https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1182248517030600704


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2019, 08:27:11 PM
The DNC:  The most corrupt political party in the developed world? 

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1182282461859811328?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2019, 08:29:11 PM
folks


https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1182248517030600704


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Those are great points, Clay.

Just a cryin damn shame that Joe is so corrupt and loves war so much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 11, 2019, 12:00:34 AM
Psychopath.
https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1180861651479871488
Great work there

The DNC:  The most corrupt political party in the developed world? 

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1182282461859811328?s=21

Just run together already.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2019, 06:01:48 AM
The DNC:  The most corrupt political party in the developed world? 

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1182282461859811328?s=21

You'd think in that link she'd explain what the eff she's talking about? Is she whining about the DNC not allowing people to caucus in Iowa and New Hampshire by phone? They're "rigging the process" by doing the exact same thing they've done since the caucuses began in 1972?

Either she's a rough ridin' idiot or she's doing what the Republicans do, and are playing gullible followers like they're rough ridin' idiots. How the hell can you rig something by continuing the status quo?

Also this is such a stunt, the announcement was made on this a month and a half ago.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/08/29/election-2020-dnc-reject-iowa-virtual-caucuses-first-nation-status-rules-democratic-committee-caucus/2158798001/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 11, 2019, 07:32:43 AM
Tulsi is probably going to spin up some Russian driven Qanon equivalent pretty soon.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2019, 07:58:34 AM
Russians!!  :curse: :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 11, 2019, 08:20:41 AM
I should add I’m against Gabbard’s boycott threat. She can’t follow through with it or she’d be doing a disservice to the people who have donated their money to get her up there.

She’ll be up there, and if she has the chutzpah, she’ll call out and explain the corruption on stage in front of everyone. Then is she really has brass balls she’ll call out Warren for agreeing 2016 was rigged in favor of Clinton > Sanders, then turning around and backing Clinton and backstabbing Sanders and her progressive supporters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2019, 10:36:42 AM
Someone has to call out the most corrupt political movement in the developed world.

You go Tulsi!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2019, 07:54:15 PM
Someone has to call out the most corrupt political movement in the developed world.

You go Tulsi!

Nicname, this is your ally, grats
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 11, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
got beto's ass (but i wish he'd have outpaced instead).

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5 = 5
klobuchar - 4 = 5
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 11, 2019, 11:08:29 PM
got beto's ass (but i wish he'd have outpaced instead).

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5 = 5
klobuchar - 4 = 5

So is the nominee going to be Warren/Bernie?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 11, 2019, 11:24:31 PM
I like the dark horses in this race (Klobuchar and Bennet). Klobuchar didn't show well in Bill Maher tonight. I know that don't mean crap but it also says she's not ready for the bright lights. Michael may have already been shown the curtains.

G'night everybody.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 11, 2019, 11:30:13 PM
They had a guy from The Federalist, @sonofdaxjones
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 11, 2019, 11:43:57 PM
got beto's ass (but i wish he'd have outpaced instead).

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5 = 5
klobuchar - 4 = 5

So is the nominee going to be Warren/Bernie?

i don't think so.  but i have more doubts than i did two months ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 11, 2019, 11:47:35 PM
got beto's ass (but i wish he'd have outpaced instead).

q3 fundraising guesses with actual results

warren - 25 = 25
buttigieg - 19 = 19
sanders - 17 = 25
biden - 16 = 15
harris - 8 = 12
yang - 8 = 10
booker - 6 = 6
beto - 5 = 5
klobuchar - 4 = 5

So is the nominee going to be Warren/Bernie?

i don't think so.  but i have more doubts than i did two months ago.

Who would be the biggest benefactor after one of them bows out? Pete?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 12, 2019, 05:19:57 AM
The other one


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 12, 2019, 09:31:44 AM
The other one


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Duh, but they wouldn't be the sole benefactor
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 12, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
The other one


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Duh, but they wouldn't be the sole benefactor

I mean, relative to the rest of the field they sure as crap would


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2019, 11:15:19 AM
The other one


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Duh, but they wouldn't be the sole benefactor

In a still wide field, yeah they would. After those two you'd have to look for the next progressive who is Booker, after that it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 12, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
Who would be the biggest benefactor after one of them bows out? Pete?

after who bows out?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 12, 2019, 10:07:16 PM
Who would be the biggest benefactor after one of them bows out? Pete?

after who bows out?

Disregard. I was toasted last night. Working on doing the same tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 12, 2019, 10:32:56 PM
smart.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: stunted on October 14, 2019, 11:02:07 PM
nyt photoshops yang to look shorter. disgusting.

(https://i.imgur.com/8v6x3Zf.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
I didn't realize that Julian was so short, he's nearly the same size as tiny klo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 14, 2019, 11:29:18 PM
(https://images.dailycaller.com/image/width=960,height=411,fit=cover,f=auto/https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/castro-e1568335040252.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 08:57:05 AM
I just want to thank the Biden's for proactively announcing that if Papa "Front Runner" Biden is elected president that they will not be as corrupt as they were when Papa "Front Runner" Biden was Vice President.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on October 15, 2019, 09:08:54 AM
when did Chicom Joe become Papa "Front Runner" Biden and why?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
when did Chicom Joe become Papa "Front Runner" Biden and why?

Context relevant to family wide corruption.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 09:41:11 AM
Looking forward to Papa "Front Runner" Trump posts from dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
Papa is appropriate for Biden because how beloved he is across the spectrum of LibBot-NeoCon Nation.

If there's one thing that LibBot-NeoCon nation save for a few disenfranchised Whack-A-Doo's (like some on this board) can get behind and that's a corrupt, racist, war mongering, lifetime politician Democrat.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on October 15, 2019, 10:06:06 AM
what's a good nickname for Trump dax? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 10:12:39 AM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't, and unlike Papa "Front Runner" Biden who championed racist sentencing legislation, Trump is actually trying to roll that back. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 15, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
Papasha Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 10:15:20 AM
I think you guys can all agree that the Biden's proactively stating that they'll try to be less corrupt this time around is a pretty bold move.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
Is dax disputing that Papa "Front Runner" Trump is the "Front Runner" candidate for NaziCon Nation? I think the very fine people of NaziCon Nation might disagree with you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on October 15, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't
Incorrect.

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/ (https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 10:31:15 AM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't
Incorrect.

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/ (https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/)

I've already noted in another thread that the U.S. even under Trump was still engaged in idiotic asymmetric warfare and supporting bad guys, but the general tenor of late is that the U.S. needs to be at full blown war status with Turkey and even Russia now. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 12:47:39 PM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't
Incorrect.

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/ (https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/)

I've already noted in another thread that the U.S. even under Trump was still engaged in idiotic asymmetric warfare and supporting bad guys, but the general tenor of late is that the U.S. needs to be at full blown war status with Turkey and even Russia now.

Is dax stating here that if we just kept the dozens of troops we had in northern Syria in place then we would be at war with Turkey? That's fantastic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 15, 2019, 12:56:37 PM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't
Incorrect.

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/ (https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/)

I've already noted in another thread that the U.S. even under Trump was still engaged in idiotic asymmetric warfare and supporting bad guys, but the general tenor of late is that the U.S. needs to be at full blown war status with Turkey and even Russia now.

Is dax stating here that if we just kept the dozens of troops we had in northern Syria in place then we would be at war with Turkey? That's fantastic.
1000 troops I think, but yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
Is Papa "Front Runner" Trump not beloved across the spectrum of MAGABot-NaziCon nation?

Possibly, but Nazi really doesn't fit because the Nazi's loved war and Trump doesn't
Incorrect.

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/ (https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/)

I've already noted in another thread that the U.S. even under Trump was still engaged in idiotic asymmetric warfare and supporting bad guys, but the general tenor of late is that the U.S. needs to be at full blown war status with Turkey and even Russia now.

Is dax stating here that if we just kept the dozens of troops we had in northern Syria in place then we would be at war with Turkey? That's fantastic.
1000 troops I think, but yes

83 dozen. I was going to go with scores of troops, probably should have
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 15, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
weird how dozens makes me think of a few dozen, but i'm fine with scores for fifty score.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 15, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
weird how dozens makes me think of a few dozen, but i'm fine with scores for fifty score.
Yeah same. It shouldn’t be that different, especially since the only specific use of “score” we are familiar with is four score.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: KSURFC8 on October 15, 2019, 01:17:22 PM
Michelle "My Bell" is very quietly waiting to strike and laughing while all the idiots think they'll actually be the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 15, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Michelle "My Bell" is very quietly waiting to strike and laughing while all the idiots think they'll actually be the nominee.

Can someone interpret for me? My MAGA is not as good as it should be.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 01:33:39 PM
 :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 01:53:50 PM
He's saying Michelle Obama is going to enter the race and win the nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 15, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Referring to Michelle Obama and also ignorance of the french language and Beatles lyrics.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 02:19:07 PM
What's the my bell thing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 15, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
What's the my bell thing?
Look up the lyrics to "Michelle" by los beatles.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
What's the my bell thing?
Look up the lyrics to "Michelle" by los beatles.

Doug E. Fresh's "The Show"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
Yes, a fantastic strategy to keep 1000 troops in the middle of hostilities.

Why do military leaders freak out about hair trigger events?   No worries, resident LibBot Nation would say there's nothing to worry about, just keep the people in the middle of all the action, they'll be fine, everything will be fine. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 02:58:19 PM
Yes, a fantastic strategy to keep 1000 troops in the middle of hostilities.

Why do military leaders freak out about hair trigger events?   No worries, resident LibBot Nation would say there's nothing to worry about, just keep the people in the middle of all the action, they'll be fine, everything will be fine.

I'm not going to get in this with you because you are a pathological liar, same reason I didn't even open the thread about this. However, as you are well aware of, the actual combat component of these particular hostilities didn't start, and weren't going to start, until we left. It was a war of words.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
Yes, a fantastic strategy to keep 1000 troops in the middle of hostilities.

Why do military leaders freak out about hair trigger events?   No worries, resident LibBot Nation would say there's nothing to worry about, just keep the people in the middle of all the action, they'll be fine, everything will be fine.

I'm not going to get in this with you because you are a pathological liar, same reason I didn't even open the thread about this. However, as you are well aware of, the actual combat component of these particular hostilities didn't start, and weren't going to start, until we left. It was a war of words.

Just because you only know what you're told to think doesn't make me a liar.   This Turkish operation has been discussed for months, even years.   It's hilarious that you've just now started to chime on this when I've been talking about Syria for years, ever since Barrack "bombs away" Obama tried to pull off yet another dumbass regime change there 7 years ago, and completely mumped the entire country up.







Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 03:09:12 PM
Months and years of planning just happen to coincide with trump removing troops and giving his bud 'gan a tiny thumbs up
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:20:45 PM
Months and years of planning just happen to coincide with trump removing troops and giving his bud 'gan a tiny thumbs up

Apparently you don't understand "we're going to do this no matter what anybody says" means.

Remember, you guys lost your crap every time you conjured up some bogey man that Trump was trying to break up NATO, now you're  :curse: that Trump isn't going to put U.S. troops in the middle of a military action by a NATO country who is dealing with 3 million refugees and a political movement trying to annex part of their country as their own.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 03:23:49 PM
Just a coincidence
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 03:28:53 PM
I’m not sure the decision is much better if Trump is signaling to dictators that he’s gonna back down from any threat of conflict against our allies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:30:45 PM
Just a coincidence

LibBot.9 world, where major military operations are planned in a day.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 03:41:52 PM
Total coincidence! SAD and UNFAIR
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
I want a president back who who helped create 3 million refugees and destroyed a country

We know, sad

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
Daxflection!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:51:39 PM
I’m not sure the decision is much better if Trump is signaling to dictators that he’s gonna back down from any threat of conflict against our allies.

You mean the dictator who already had troops in country because of the previous presidents insane policies towards that countries government?

Courtesy to make sense.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
I'll never say anything about the killing, carnage and refugee'ing as long as a Democrat is doing it.

We know LibBot.9

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
I’m not sure the decision is much better if Trump is signaling to dictators that he’s gonna back down from any threat of conflict against our allies.

You mean the dictator who already had troops in country because of the previous presidents insane policies towards that countries government?

Courtesy to make sense.

I have no idea what this means.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on October 15, 2019, 04:45:41 PM
Referring to Michelle Obama and also ignorance of the french language and Beatles lyrics.

could be a multi layered pun based on "moochelle" and "bellcow"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 15, 2019, 06:24:07 PM
What's the my bell thing?
Look up the lyrics to "Michelle" by los beatles.
I think it’s a reference to My My Michelle by GnR.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
I’m not sure the decision is much better if Trump is signaling to dictators that he’s gonna back down from any threat of conflict against our allies.

You mean the dictator who already had troops in country because of the previous presidents insane policies towards that countries government?

Courtesy to make sense.

I have no idea what this means.

When you let me know what you're talking about, then I'll give you a clue.

You can't have these discussions with people if you don't even know what's actually going on, the Russians have been in Syria since 2015, try that on for starters.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on October 15, 2019, 07:06:11 PM
Referring to Michelle Obama and also ignorance of the french language and Beatles lyrics.

could be a multi layered pun based on "moochelle" and "bellcow"
I'm quite certain that the correct MAGA name is indeed Moochelle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 15, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
Consensus seems to be Bernie won the debate and Biden will be dropping out soon.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 12:29:30 AM
i'm hearing klobsie dropped warren and even bernie was laughing at her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 12:42:25 AM
I'm 40 minutes on this debate and I want to punch yang in his rough ridin' face, he's such a dipshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 12:44:03 AM
Nothing to do with the debate but I just saw this and had to share.
https://twitter.com/Iaylaskeating/status/1184164952698961920
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 12:59:40 AM
i'm hearing klobsie dropped warren and even bernie was laughing at her.

It wasn't bad, Warren foolishly said "I don't know why Bernie and I are the only ones on this stage not interested in protecting billionaires?" Tiny Klo said something to the effect of you aren't the only person who doesn't want billionaires, the billionaire on stage doesn't want to protect billionaires."

The new front runner has had a bad first hour. Pete is also a dweeb. Keeps saying "let me tell you about the industrial Midwest..." To me he's talking about working class white people. He, of all of the people on that stage, should be speaking to and about a larger audience.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 01:04:35 AM
God damn, even sleepy Beto took a run at Liz. Booker caped up for her though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 01:16:38 AM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 01:26:07 AM
Here is the friend that these two dumbfucks attract
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1184301953318346753
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 01:29:39 AM
Nicname's homegirl just stood on this stage and advocated for genocide and said she's friends with Trey Gowdy. She might be the worst Democrat candidate in our lifetime. The Rent Is Too Damn High guy with his white gloves is less of a sideshow than Gabbard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2019, 01:41:32 AM
Just now catching up some.

Pete is an impressive debater. Very impressive.
Bernie is sharp as a tack and great as always.
Warren floundering a bit imo. Some good crescendos.
Gabbard hit and miss. Stop asking Warren questions, it's dumb.
Yang. Smart guy. Ends sentences poorly.
Booker. I enjoy him telling the children to stop calling each other names.
Klobacher (sp?) meh. I think she was on the show the middle
Castro. This guy is pretty smart. Sounds like Obama.
Biden. LOL, no.
Billionaire guy. Good big pharma things. Said frienimies  :lol:
Beto. LOL, what a sap.
Harris. Shut up, cop.

Edit: Just got to the break where GAbbard tried to bair Warren after the age question. No need. answer was great before that. Stupid thing to do.

EditL won't read previous comments yet cuz, spoilers!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2019, 02:29:15 AM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

Good grief mr foreign policy expert. I will admit she was pretty meh much of this debate and actually bad at points. I did like her closing statement and answer to the age question — Warren barb/question aside.

I still like her cuz of what she’s about and that I believe she is honest. Bernie is my main guy tho. Pretty crazy as a formerly self professing libertarian. Dude has courage and conviction out the ass. 
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2019, 06:10:44 AM
Hey, Lyin Liz the Soccer Grandma actually took a punch or two. 

Just a shame Lyin Liz just can’t be true to herself and everyone else and just admit that she’s a socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 16, 2019, 06:54:18 AM
“Lyin Liz”, lol. No wonder you love Trump so much, you’re basically the same person. Only you’re smarter.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2019, 07:07:38 AM
McCarthyism lives thanks to the American Political Left.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1184277654922547200?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2019, 07:13:55 AM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

Good grief mr foreign policy expert. I will admit she was pretty meh much of this debate and actually bad at points. I did like her closing statement and answer to the age question — Warren barb/question aside.

I still like her cuz of what she’s about and that I believe she is honest. Bernie is my main guy tho. Pretty crazy as a formerly self professing libertarian. Dude has courage and conviction out the ass.


LOL on so many levels.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 16, 2019, 07:37:36 AM
I kinda like that show the middle  :Carl:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on October 16, 2019, 07:40:28 AM
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1184305812535234560
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2019, 08:06:07 AM
 
I kinda like that show the middle  :Carl:

Me too!
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 16, 2019, 08:06:38 AM
Gabbard has chosen to occupy a strange lane in an apparent attempt to garner the MAGA dem vote. Maybe looking ahead to a career outside of politics?

Everyone else was pretty par for the course. Liz makes a much better front runner than Biden. Pete and Klob did a good job last night of positioning themselves as the practical candidate foils to the idealist candidates Liz and Bernie.

Liz is going to suffer from credibility problems the longer she refuses to admit universal health care would raise taxes on the middle class. Yes, we get the argument that it is a net reduction in cost, but clearly dodging the question with an obvious answer makes you wonder what else she’s not being up front about.

I still like Castro but I’m just not sure what he can do to stand out at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2019, 08:23:05 AM
Gabbard has chosen to occupy a strange lane in an apparent attempt to garner the MAGA dem vote. Maybe looking ahead to a career outside of politics?

Yes, But I Wish no.

Everyone else was pretty par for the course. Liz makes a much better front runner than Biden. Pete and Klob did a good job last night of positioning themselves as the practical candidate foils to the idealist candidates Liz and Bernie.

Yes.

Liz is going to suffer from credibility problems the longer she refuses to admit universal health care would raise taxes on the middle class. Yes, we get the argument that it is a net reduction in cost, but clearly dodging the question with an obvious answer makes you wonder what else she’s not being up front about.

Yes. Imo she was very garbagy. Do not trust.

I still like Castro but I’m just not sure what he can do to stand out at this point.

Yes.

You are very smart
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on October 16, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
I'd vote for Tulsi's glistening chest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 16, 2019, 09:22:55 AM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

this is zero percent true
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2019, 09:38:57 AM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

this is zero percent true

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 12:06:40 PM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

this is zero percent true

Hyperbole, for sure. The point is you can't say the blood of the Kurds is on group a, b, and c then say you wouldn't get involved with Assad doing whatever it takes to control Kurdish territory.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2019, 12:32:30 PM
Holy crap Gabbard just essentially co-opted Trump's policy on removing the troops from Syria. She said that the blood of the Kurds is on Trump's hands, but then she said it's also on the hands of democrats and Republicans for pushing for this regime change war since 2011. wut? Does she not know that without said troop intervention that Asaad would have exterminated the Kurds years ago?

this is zero percent true

Hyperbole, for sure. The point is you can't say the blood of the Kurds is on group a, b, and c then say you wouldn't get involved with Assad doing whatever it takes to control Kurdish territory.

Hyperbole?  No, just a point backed by no fact or reality.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 01:49:16 PM
Pete is an impressive debater. Very impressive.
Bernie is sharp as a tack and great as always.
Warren floundering a bit imo. Some good crescendos.
Gabbard hit and miss. Stop asking Warren questions, it's dumb.
Yang. Smart guy. Ends sentences poorly.
Booker. I enjoy him telling the children to stop calling each other names.
Klobacher (sp?) meh. I think she was on the show the middle
Castro. This guy is pretty smart. Sounds like Obama.
Biden. LOL, no.
Billionaire guy. Good big pharma things. Said frienimies  :lol:
Beto. LOL, what a sap.
Harris. Shut up, cop.

literally don't agree with a single thing here.  i guess i assume castro and yang are probably of above average intelligence, so maybe you could count that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 16, 2019, 02:34:56 PM
Last night watching Beto kind of made me think less of sys. I generally like sys, and I used to like Beto more than I felt last night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 16, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on October 16, 2019, 02:51:05 PM
Gabbard will be Trump's 'trump".  Pence will be bowing out of the clown show, Trump will need a new running mate.....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 03:15:53 PM
Last night watching Beto kind of made me think less of sys. I generally like sys, and I used to like Beto more than I felt last night.

what didn't you like?  i thought he had some good moments and some missteps, but i'm curious what impacted your view.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 16, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Last night watching Beto kind of made me think less of sys. I generally like sys, and I used to like Beto more than I felt last night.

what didn't you like?  i thought he had some good moments and some missteps, but i'm curious what impacted your view.
I thought he had a bad response to the “going door to door taking away guns” line of questioning.  He didn’t seem to reconcile his conflicting statements very well.  If it’s his signature issue, he needs to knock it out of the park. Other stuff seemed so meh that I don’t remember specifics.

Keep in mind I’m not actually all that liberal for the most part, so take that for what it’s worth.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 16, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
How did Robert francis not look like such a dipshit during the senate run? Were we just not paying attention then?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 16, 2019, 04:31:17 PM
He was running against Ted Cruz.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
I thought he had a bad response to the “going door to door taking away guns” line of questioning.  He didn’t seem to reconcile his conflicting statements very well.  If it’s his signature issue, he needs to knock it out of the park. Other stuff seemed so meh that I don’t remember specifics.

i thought he explained it pretty clearly, but then i already knew what the policy was before he spoke.  perhaps it wasn't clear to people with less advance knowledge.

thanks for your impressions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 09:04:44 PM
How did Robert francis not look like such a dipshit during the senate run? Were we just not paying attention then?

he's not a dipshit in any way.  he's an extremely talented politician whose skillset hasn't matched up terribly well with the exposure he's gotten in this campaign.  he also got on the wrong side of the media early and has never really recovered.

you can get a little sense of what i mean about skillsets comparing this debate to the last.  in the last debate, the rules had the candidates interacting less and instead responding to the moderators questions.  they also had 90 seconds instead of 75.  beto did much better in that format than in this one.  he's (by a considerable margin) the most compelling public speaker of the candidates, but he's long-winded and has trouble hitting his points in shorter time slots, he doesn't respond super well to interruptions or any sort of chaos when he's speaking.  and he's just flat uncomfortable attacking other candidates himself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 16, 2019, 09:09:09 PM
I thought he had a bad response to the “going door to door taking away guns” line of questioning.  He didn’t seem to reconcile his conflicting statements very well.  If it’s his signature issue, he needs to knock it out of the park. Other stuff seemed so meh that I don’t remember specifics.

i thought he explained it pretty clearly, but then i already knew what the policy was before he spoke.  perhaps it wasn't clear to people with less advance knowledge.

thanks for your impressions.
He got to the part about expecting people to follow the law (and I suppose, turn assault rifles in) and then taking assault rifles away when they are brought into public (or something?), but i think it was 30 seconds in. I actually think the policy idea is fine, but it seemed like he didn’t take advantage on the one issue he differentiates himself on. We called it as being the Beto question 5 seconds before they said his name.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 16, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
He was running against Ted Cruz.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 16, 2019, 09:19:30 PM
Find a man who looks at u the way sys looks at beto
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 16, 2019, 09:20:07 PM
Might be jokestaken.jpg, but whatever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 16, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
He got to the part about expecting people to follow the law (and I suppose, turn assault rifles in) and then taking assault rifles away when they are brought into public (or something?), but i think it was 30 seconds in. I actually think the policy idea is fine, but it seemed like he didn’t take advantage on the one issue he differentiates himself on. We called it as being the Beto question 5 seconds before they said his name.

he actually didn't address the actual question until the last 5 seconds or so of his 75 seconds, but i think he knew that cooper would come back and followup if he didn't answer, so he was stealing a little extra speaking time.  when he finally got around to it, he hit his main talking point on the issue - that america is a law-abiding country and americans will follow the law and then made the important (and you would think obvious, but from how the media cover this, apparently not) point that it would be enforced like every other law in the country that makes the possession of something illegal - if it comes to the attention of law enforcement, then there will be legal consequences, in this case a fine and confiscation of the illegal weapon.

the fourth amendment doesn't allow for squads of jackbooted atf agents to sweep across the country searching everyone's closets for assault rifles, so other than being an nra talking point, i don't understand why everyone wants to ask beto when and how he's going to go door to door seizing weapons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 16, 2019, 09:53:06 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 16, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
I think Pete is going to ramp up and win this sob. America isn’t ready for a lady president quite yet. Convincing, gay, white, buttoned down midwestern male though? Yeah probably.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2019, 10:34:54 PM
I thought Beto was fine last night, he's a bit dull but so what. I think people's biggest issue is that nothing about him seems presidential. He's a smart, compassionate guy, and seems dynamic when he's at a rally but he gets really swallowed up on these huge debate stages.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 02:01:53 AM
Let's talk Liz Warren, shall we? As the resident Libstan on the board I feel like this health care thing should be addressed. When her candidacy started essentially two years ago, her health care plan was a strength, it was what made her essentially the chosen one. That health care plan was the crown jewel of her progressive resume. WAS.

She needs to drop the plan, it's become an anchor. It's obvious that middle class taxes will go up, but she can't say that because it will not only torpedo her campaign, but the Republicans will use that sound bite to murder whomever the candidate is in the general, because you can't run as a Democrat without health care reform. It's sad that Americans are too stupid to understand that even though their taxes will go up, their bottom line will be helped. Between premiums and copays, I will be paying over $5000 in health care personally this year, this counts no one else in my family. My taxes aren't going up $5000, that's rough ridin' absurd.

It's also sad that the other democrats, looking at Pete and Klo here, don't understand that if Warren said she's raising middle class taxes for a health care plan, it will be used against every single health care reform plan any of them puts out.

Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on October 17, 2019, 02:20:28 AM
How did Robert francis not look like such a dipshit during the senate run? Were we just not paying attention then?

he's not a dipshit in any way.  he's an extremely talented politician whose skillset hasn't matched up terribly well with the exposure he's gotten in this campaign.  he also got on the wrong side of the media early and has never really recovered.

you can get a little sense of what i mean about skillsets comparing this debate to the last.  in the last debate, the rules had the candidates interacting less and instead responding to the moderators questions.  they also had 90 seconds instead of 75.  beto did much better in that format than in this one.  he's (by a considerable margin) the most compelling public speaker of the candidates, but he's long-winded and has trouble hitting his points in shorter time slots, he doesn't respond super well to interruptions or any sort of chaos when he's speaking.  and he's just flat uncomfortable attacking other candidates himself.
If that was true then you wouldn't have had to type any of the rest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on October 17, 2019, 02:22:44 AM
He got to the part about expecting people to follow the law (and I suppose, turn assault rifles in) and then taking assault rifles away when they are brought into public (or something?), but i think it was 30 seconds in. I actually think the policy idea is fine, but it seemed like he didn’t take advantage on the one issue he differentiates himself on. We called it as being the Beto question 5 seconds before they said his name.

he actually didn't address the actual question until the last 5 seconds or so of his 75 seconds, but i think he knew that cooper would come back and followup if he didn't answer, so he was stealing a little extra speaking time.  when he finally got around to it, he hit his main talking point on the issue - that america is a law-abiding country and americans will follow the law and then made the important (and you would think obvious, but from how the media cover this, apparently not) point that it would be enforced like every other law in the country that makes the possession of something illegal - if it comes to the attention of law enforcement, then there will be legal consequences, in this case a fine and confiscation of the illegal weapon.

the fourth amendment doesn't allow for squads of jackbooted atf agents to sweep across the country searching everyone's closets for assault rifles, so other than being an nra talking point, i don't understand why everyone wants to ask beto when and how he's going to go door to door seizing weapons.
So you mean completely ineffective, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 07:16:03 AM
Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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I think Pete has done a fine job explaining the public option plan. He’s outright said he thinks the public option would be the better plan and coverage, but he thinks it can be tested in the market place instead of outright abolishing private insurance, which Americans are incredibly nervous about.

I also don’t think the public option would be free. You would pay premiums similar to what you’d pay in taxes, which should be a little higher than the taxes you’d pay under Medicare for all, but much lower than you’d pay on private insurance because you’d be joining a group with by far the best bargaining power on rates.

Also, private insurance is flexible so it could definitely cover things Medicare does not, even if they don’t matter to most Americans. My plan just added egg & sperm freezing, which I assume is not a high priority on Medicare/Medicaid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2019, 09:39:47 AM
The more BetoDork talks the more it's clear why known Whack-A-Doo's like sys like the guy..

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 17, 2019, 10:45:48 AM
Let's talk Liz Warren, shall we? As the resident Libstan on the board I feel like this health care thing should be addressed. When her candidacy started essentially two years ago, her health care plan was a strength, it was what made her essentially the chosen one. That health care plan was the crown jewel of her progressive resume. WAS.

She needs to drop the plan, it's become an anchor. It's obvious that middle class taxes will go up, but she can't say that because it will not only torpedo her campaign, but the Republicans will use that sound bite to murder whomever the candidate is in the general, because you can't run as a Democrat without health care reform. It's sad that Americans are too stupid to understand that even though their taxes will go up, their bottom line will be helped. Between premiums and copays, I will be paying over $5000 in health care personally this year, this counts no one else in my family. My taxes aren't going up $5000, that's rough ridin' absurd.

It's also sad that the other democrats, looking at Pete and Klo here, don't understand that if Warren said she's raising middle class taxes for a health care plan, it will be used against every single health care reform plan any of them puts out.

Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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71 percent of households with private insurance today will pay more in increased taxes than they will save from not paying premiums or cost sharing.

https://www.sph.emory.edu/departments/hpm/_page-content/The-Disruptive-Distributional-Impacts.pdf

It is no slam dunk that middle-class families are going to be paying less with Medicare For All.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Insiders are bailing on mega corrupt racist war monger Joe Biden.

Bloomberg, ratcheting it up . . . https://www.salon.com/2019/10/15/mike-bloomberg-now-hints-he-may-run-for-president-as-warren-surges-biden-sags/

Libbot Nation moderates freaking out about Lyin Liz.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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I think Pete has done a fine job explaining the public option plan. He’s outright said he thinks the public option would be the better plan and coverage, but he thinks it can be tested in the market place instead of outright abolishing private insurance, which Americans are incredibly nervous about.

I also don’t think the public option would be free. You would pay premiums similar to what you’d pay in taxes, which should be a little higher than the taxes you’d pay under Medicare for all, but much lower than you’d pay on private insurance because you’d be joining a group with by far the best bargaining power on rates.

Also, private insurance is flexible so it could definitely cover things Medicare does not, even if they don’t matter to most Americans. My plan just added egg & sperm freezing, which I assume is not a high priority on Medicare/Medicaid.

Paragraph 1: Sure you can "test it on the open market" but the bottom line is that, in his words "the public option will be better than private plans" then everyone will be dropping private plans. What's his plan for paying for that?

Paragraph 2: He's never made the assertion that the public plan would be free or would have premiums associated with it. If he does plan on charging premiums I have no idea how he's going to make them cheaper than private plans if the coverage will be better, especially with millions of people jumping to the public option. Sounds like he's going to need to raise taxes to pay for that.

Paragraph 3: Congrats on that, it's rare for an insurer to pay for that, obviously you know that doesn't come from the gratitude of your carrier, it's going to cost every single person carrying that insurance whether they need/want it or not. Again if his public option is going to be better than private plans, he's going to need a massive expansion of Medicaid.

Any health care reform that involves insuring more Americans and doesn't involve the government completely taking over the health care industry will involve tax increases, this is obvious. Attacking Liz for not essentially handing Republicans an increased taxes talking point, in all state and national races by the way, is amazingly short sighted and stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on October 17, 2019, 02:15:57 PM
Quick, honest question:  Is the "Medicare for All" world including dental and vision services?  IOW your common Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 02:20:41 PM
Let's talk Liz Warren, shall we? As the resident Libstan on the board I feel like this health care thing should be addressed. When her candidacy started essentially two years ago, her health care plan was a strength, it was what made her essentially the chosen one. That health care plan was the crown jewel of her progressive resume. WAS.

She needs to drop the plan, it's become an anchor. It's obvious that middle class taxes will go up, but she can't say that because it will not only torpedo her campaign, but the Republicans will use that sound bite to murder whomever the candidate is in the general, because you can't run as a Democrat without health care reform. It's sad that Americans are too stupid to understand that even though their taxes will go up, their bottom line will be helped. Between premiums and copays, I will be paying over $5000 in health care personally this year, this counts no one else in my family. My taxes aren't going up $5000, that's rough ridin' absurd.

It's also sad that the other democrats, looking at Pete and Klo here, don't understand that if Warren said she's raising middle class taxes for a health care plan, it will be used against every single health care reform plan any of them puts out.

Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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71 percent of households with private insurance today will pay more in increased taxes than they will save from not paying premiums or cost sharing.

https://www.sph.emory.edu/departments/hpm/_page-content/The-Disruptive-Distributional-Impacts.pdf

It is no slam dunk that middle-class families are going to be paying less with Medicare For All.

I'm not a Medicare for all advocate, most will pay less, few might pay more. I'm not a Medicare for all advocate because I think it will reduce an already poor quality of care for Americans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 02:24:26 PM
Quick, honest question:  Is the "Medicare for All" world including dental and vision services?  IOW your common Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?

 :dunno: doubt it

Can you elaborate on this "Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?" Every job I've had has provided these as separate pieces. Delta Dental seems to have a monopoly on this and hoooo boy it's shows in those markets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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I think Pete has done a fine job explaining the public option plan. He’s outright said he thinks the public option would be the better plan and coverage, but he thinks it can be tested in the market place instead of outright abolishing private insurance, which Americans are incredibly nervous about.

I also don’t think the public option would be free. You would pay premiums similar to what you’d pay in taxes, which should be a little higher than the taxes you’d pay under Medicare for all, but much lower than you’d pay on private insurance because you’d be joining a group with by far the best bargaining power on rates.

Also, private insurance is flexible so it could definitely cover things Medicare does not, even if they don’t matter to most Americans. My plan just added egg & sperm freezing, which I assume is not a high priority on Medicare/Medicaid.

Paragraph 1: Sure you can "test it on the open market" but the bottom line is that, in his words "the public option will be better than private plans" then everyone will be dropping private plans. What's his plan for paying for that?

Paragraph 2: He's never made the assertion that the public plan would be free or would have premiums associated with it. If he does plan on charging premiums I have no idea how he's going to make them cheaper than private plans if the coverage will be better, especially with millions of people jumping to the public option. Sounds like he's going to need to raise taxes to pay for that.

Paragraph 3: Congrats on that, it's rare for an insurer to pay for that, obviously you know that doesn't come from the gratitude of your carrier, it's going to cost every single person carrying that insurance whether they need/want it or not. Again if his public option is going to be better than private plans, he's going to need a massive expansion of Medicaid.

Well #1 and #2 go hand in hand. If everyone says they’re willing to pay the public option premiums, they either (1) continue doing so, or (2) you say, great news everyone, we’re going to lower rates and just take it directly off the top in taxes instead of you having to worry about paying every month/year yourself.

Medicare is cheaper healthcare because the government has immense bargaining power when it’s buying on behalf of millions and millions of people. It’s the same reason Walmart can buy cheaper toilet paper for its bathrooms than you or I could no matter how hard we looked.

Insurance companies negotiate all their rates with healthcare providers. If the providers aren’t willing to play ball, they fall out of the network. Even if it’s pennies on the dollar, do you really think most providers are willing to pass up in-network status for a pool of potentially 100+ million patients? That’s why Medicare for all/public option results in lower healthcare costs, not because the government necessarily takes control of the healthcare services themselves.

Any health care reform that involves insuring more Americans and doesn't involve the government completely taking over the health care industry will involve tax increases, this is obvious. Attacking Liz for not essentially handing Republicans an increased taxes talking point, in all state and national races by the way, is amazingly short sighted and stupid.

MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 17, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
Let's talk Liz Warren, shall we? As the resident Libstan on the board I feel like this health care thing should be addressed. When her candidacy started essentially two years ago, her health care plan was a strength, it was what made her essentially the chosen one. That health care plan was the crown jewel of her progressive resume. WAS.

She needs to drop the plan, it's become an anchor. It's obvious that middle class taxes will go up, but she can't say that because it will not only torpedo her campaign, but the Republicans will use that sound bite to murder whomever the candidate is in the general, because you can't run as a Democrat without health care reform. It's sad that Americans are too stupid to understand that even though their taxes will go up, their bottom line will be helped. Between premiums and copays, I will be paying over $5000 in health care personally this year, this counts no one else in my family. My taxes aren't going up $5000, that's rough ridin' absurd.

It's also sad that the other democrats, looking at Pete and Klo here, don't understand that if Warren said she's raising middle class taxes for a health care plan, it will be used against every single health care reform plan any of them puts out.

Finally, I'll give Pete credit for having a plan that he can state but he's a lunatic if he doesn't think it's also Medicaid for all. If you're unfamiliar his plan is to have a public option, but will allow citizens to keep their plan if they have one. I just listened to a post debate with him and he said that the public option would be better than private plans but his plan works because people will have the option to keep what they like from their private plan. WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD KEEP A PRIVATE PLAN IF THERE IS A PUBLIC PLAN THAT'S BETTER AND FREE??? What the hell am I missing here? Why does Pete and Joe think that people actually enjoy paying for crap they can get for?

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71 percent of households with private insurance today will pay more in increased taxes than they will save from not paying premiums or cost sharing.

https://www.sph.emory.edu/departments/hpm/_page-content/The-Disruptive-Distributional-Impacts.pdf

It is no slam dunk that middle-class families are going to be paying less with Medicare For All.

I'm not a Medicare for all advocate, most will pay less, few might pay more. I'm not a Medicare for all advocate because I think it will reduce an already poor quality of care for Americans.

Most will pay less?  If 71% of households will pay more, how can you say most will pay less?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on October 17, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
Quick, honest question:  Is the "Medicare for All" world including dental and vision services?  IOW your common Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?

 :dunno: doubt it

Can you elaborate on this "Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?" Every job I've had has provided these as separate pieces. Delta Dental seems to have a monopoly on this and hoooo boy it's shows in those markets.

Yeah, they are essentially the same type of additional coverage, just that a lot of private/employer sponsored plans include it at least as an opt-in or opt-out, with that pricing presented up front.  More or less a one-stop shopping experience.

In the Medicare world, these are totally separate private insurance contracts that need to be shopped for by individuals.  It would be a huge perceptual hurdle to have a Medicare tax increase, or whatever upfront funding mechanism, and still have individuals need to shop private insurance for dental/vision.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
If that was true then you wouldn't have had to type any of the rest.

how many of the speeches that he's delivered this campaign have you listened to?  if you are like 99.9% of voters, the answer is 0.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!

Are you being obtuse or do you really not know the difference between how opponents of health care reform speak of it now and how they would if the leading Democratic candidate went on record saying that her health care reform plan would require a middle class tax increase?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
Most will pay less?  If 71% of households will pay more, how can you say most will pay less?

I didn't say that I take that guy's numbers as gospel. He has good research and I think his plan to beef up the ACA, while leaving a lot to be desired, is a better plan than Medicare for all. I don't know how he can say that definitively with the cost of health care being such a moving target. All of these numbers are estimated costs that can be manipulated to come to whatever conclusion you want them to.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 03:32:45 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 03:34:23 PM
Quick, honest question:  Is the "Medicare for All" world including dental and vision services?  IOW your common Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?

 :dunno: doubt it

Can you elaborate on this "Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?" Every job I've had has provided these as separate pieces. Delta Dental seems to have a monopoly on this and hoooo boy it's shows in those markets.

Yeah, they are essentially the same type of additional coverage, just that a lot of private/employer sponsored plans include it at least as an opt-in or opt-out, with that pricing presented up front.  More or less a one-stop shopping experience.

In the Medicare world, these are totally separate private insurance contracts that need to be shopped for by individuals.  It would be a huge perceptual hurdle to have a Medicare tax increase, or whatever upfront funding mechanism, and still have individuals need to shop private insurance for dental/vision.

Do we have the details of anyone's plan to say this will definitely be the case?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2019, 03:34:45 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.


Not so w weed imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 03:40:29 PM
consumables are different in several fairly obvious ways.  the principal one being that the main reinforcing behavior is consuming the substance, which is not impacted by having to be kept nonpublic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!

she needs to answer question.  people actually like it when they are told what they perceive to be the truth.  not answering is mind-numbingly stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 17, 2019, 04:00:01 PM
MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!

she needs to answer question.  people actually like it when they are told what they perceive to be the truth.  not answering is mind-numbingly stupid.

It's very frustrating that she can't/won't give the answer but why is she the only person that needs to bear that burden. Again there is no substantive health care plan that won't require a tax increase. If she said that all of you would also lose your crap. So she either continues to not answer the question or she answers it so that she satisfies her critics then she has to take everyone out too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 04:09:33 PM
sanders is the only other candidate that advocates the same plan, and he is able to articulate that some people would have to pay more in taxes.  the world doesn't end when he does so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2019, 04:12:41 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.


Not so w weed imo.

disagree, having lived through a recreational legalization I can promise way more people speak freely and openly about using marijuana and more people use it socially. Particularly among like suburbanites and parents. For me, it just wasn't worth the risk and extra hassle when it was illegal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2019, 04:13:59 PM
sanders is the only other candidate that advocates the same plan, and he is able to articulate that some people would have to pay more in taxes.  the world doesn't end when he does so.

the bernie sis's I follow on twitter think she doesn't really want it and will cave to the billionaires when push comes to shove.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on October 17, 2019, 04:16:16 PM
Quick, honest question:  Is the "Medicare for All" world including dental and vision services?  IOW your common Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?

 :dunno: doubt it

Can you elaborate on this "Medigap supplemental policies that aren't really Medicare but are commonly part of private insurance?" Every job I've had has provided these as separate pieces. Delta Dental seems to have a monopoly on this and hoooo boy it's shows in those markets.

Yeah, they are essentially the same type of additional coverage, just that a lot of private/employer sponsored plans include it at least as an opt-in or opt-out, with that pricing presented up front.  More or less a one-stop shopping experience.

In the Medicare world, these are totally separate private insurance contracts that need to be shopped for by individuals.  It would be a huge perceptual hurdle to have a Medicare tax increase, or whatever upfront funding mechanism, and still have individuals need to shop private insurance for dental/vision.

Do we have the details of anyone's plan to say this will definitely be the case?

I honestly don't know, but following the differential of coverage prices on the private side, if they aren't included, its another 10-15% or so either out of individuals pockets or on top of costs already estimated.  If we're going to go all the way with MFA or a public buy in option, then we should probably go all the way and include the Dental\Vision. 

Will have to do some digging to see if anyone has been specific enough one way or the other.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on October 17, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
It's hers (and any proponent of the plan's) burden to explain why the tax increase won't end up costing people more money.  Her explanation will of course be reasonable (and debatable), but without acknowledging how it's being paid, the conversation doesn't even begin.

Is her plan to put off acknowledging it until after it's signed?  Come on, Liz!  Be frank and give your potential voters a little credit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on October 17, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.



When I first read this and right before I saw the metaphor or whatever, I pictured you taking your snake to a gun range and shooting the snake with a gun and was very wtf.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!

Are you being obtuse or do you really not know the difference between how opponents of health care reform speak of it now and how they would if the leading Democratic candidate went on record saying that her health care reform plan would require a middle class tax increase?

The voters you imagine are likely to be swayed by this type of rhetoric do not exist. Anyone even remotely interested in universal healthcare will be receptive to a conversation that involves taxes likely going up. Everyone else had already written Warren off. She has positioned herself as an even a bigger “let’s have the federal government step in and fix all this crap” candidate than Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.



When I first read this and right before I saw the metaphor or whatever, I pictured you taking your snake to a gun range and shooting the snake with a gun and was very wtf.

At first I thought it was a metaphor, but for something else. :fatty:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 04:34:33 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.

I’m just as concerned about it actually being effective. Asking police officers to confront armed people who are already likely distrustful of the government seems like a bad policy if you can avoid it, and I think it’s definitely avoidable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on October 17, 2019, 04:47:40 PM


Do we have the details of anyone's plan to say this will definitely be the case?

I honestly don't know, but following the differential of coverage prices on the private side, if they aren't included, its another 10-15% or so either out of individuals pockets or on top of costs already estimated.  If we're going to go all the way with MFA or a public buy in option, then we should probably go all the way and include the Dental\Vision. 

Will have to do some digging to see if anyone has been specific enough one way or the other.

According to Sanders' 2017 MFA bill it seems would; MFA at least as Sanders proposed it is actually Medicare A (hospitalization) + Medicare B (diagnostic/preventative) + Medicare D (prescriptions) + Supplemental (dental/vision) at the minimum.

Quote
SEC. 201. COMPREHENSIVE BENEFITS.
(a) In General.—Subject to the other provisions of this title and titles IV through IX, individuals enrolled for benefits under this Act are entitled to have payment made by the Secretary to an eligible provider for the following items and services if medically necessary or appropriate for the maintenance of health or for the diagnosis, treatment, or rehabilitation of a health condition:

(1) Hospital services, including inpatient and outpatient hospital care, including 24-hour-a-day emergency services and inpatient prescription drugs.
(2) Ambulatory patient services.
(3) Primary and preventive services, including chronic disease management.
(4) Prescription drugs, medical devices, biological products, including outpatient prescription drugs, medical devices, and biological products.
(5) Mental health and substance abuse treatment services, including inpatient care.
(6) Laboratory and diagnostic services.
(7) Comprehensive reproductive, maternity, and newborn care.
(8) Pediatrics.
(9) Oral health, audiology, and vision services.
(10) Short-term rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1804/text#toc-id25c91cb96228483495ad9de0b47b79f8 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1804/text#toc-id25c91cb96228483495ad9de0b47b79f8)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 17, 2019, 05:50:33 PM
Thank you Woogy for actually posting the bill.  As for cost, even with accounting for Sander's 100% coverage of everyone which now includes free at the point of service comprehensive healthcare.  It is $2 TRILLION cheaper over 10 years than private insurance.

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/07/30/mercatus-study-finds-medicare-for-all-saves-2-trillion/ (https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/07/30/mercatus-study-finds-medicare-for-all-saves-2-trillion/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 17, 2019, 05:57:30 PM
As for Pete, he is an absolute snake.  Here is him 1 year ago proclaiming he supports Medicare 4 All, which he now says is ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/965396700511825920
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 17, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
As for Pete, he is an absolute snake.  Here is him 1 year ago proclaiming he supports Medicare 4 All, which he now says is ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/965396700511825920
That response is sarcastic as crap. He needed to get on with “fixing potholes”.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2019, 07:49:39 PM
As for Pete, he is an absolute snake.  Here is him 1 year ago proclaiming he supports Medicare 4 All, which he now says is ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/965396700511825920

1. I’m sure if he still felt writing the policy himself was out of the question, he would still support Medicare for all

2. I have zero issues with politicians changing their stances if they offer a principled reason for doing so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 17, 2019, 08:05:26 PM
I’m fine with them changing their stances if they just say, “I changed my mind”. I do that all the time.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2019, 08:46:36 PM
sanders is the only other candidate that advocates the same plan, and he is able to articulate that some people would have to pay more in taxes.  the world doesn't end when he does so.

the bernie sis's I follow on twitter think she doesn't really want it and will cave to the billionaires when push comes to shove.

They are right.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 17, 2019, 08:48:33 PM
So you mean completely ineffective, right?

as someone who participates in an (sometimes, depending on where i live and how i pursue it) illegal hobby, it is pretty damn effective.  when you can't take your snake out in public, can't go shoot it at some gun range, can't post it on facebook, can't comment about it on gun nut message boards, can't advertise it for sale, can't meet up with fellow collectors, etc the joy of the hobby fades pretty quick.



When I first read this and right before I saw the metaphor or whatever, I pictured you taking your snake to a gun range and shooting the snake with a gun and was very wtf.

At first I thought it was a metaphor, but for something else. :fatty:

Same!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2019, 08:53:37 PM
I’m fine with them changing their stances if they just say, “I changed my mind”. I do that all the time.


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I don't like it when they change their mind from something I agree with to something I don't. But I like it when they change their mind to something I agree with!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 17, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
When I first read this and right before I saw the metaphor or whatever, I pictured you taking your snake to a gun range and shooting the snake with a gun and was very wtf.

heh.  that interpretation never occurred to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 03:18:08 AM
MIR: everyone knows Liz’s plan will increase taxes.

Also MIR: how could you ask Liz to admit her plan will increase taxes? Republicans will destroy her if people find out!!

Are you being obtuse or do you really not know the difference between how opponents of health care reform speak of it now and how they would if the leading Democratic candidate went on record saying that her health care reform plan would require a middle class tax increase?

The voters you imagine are likely to be swayed by this type of rhetoric do not exist.

This is 100% incorrect.

I also have no idea why you guys are going on and on about this, I said the entire time she needs to come out and say it. My issue is with the moderates acting as if their plans won't come with a tax increase as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 03:26:59 AM
As for Pete, he is an absolute snake.  Here is him 1 year ago proclaiming he supports Medicare 4 All, which he now says is ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/965396700511825920
That response is sarcastic as crap. He needed to get on with “fixing potholes”.

It wasn't sarcastic, click and read the entire thread. He was saying that he supported M4A several tweets before that but he kept talking around it, then he eventually posted this tweet.

I also question his motives for his sudden change of heart for M4A. He's a politician created in a lab.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 18, 2019, 04:15:40 AM
As for Pete, he is an absolute snake.  Here is him 1 year ago proclaiming he supports Medicare 4 All, which he now says is ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/965396700511825920
That response is sarcastic as crap. He needed to get on with “fixing potholes”.

The context of it was some group accused him of not being for Medicare 4 All, and he said “when have I ever said I’m not for Medicare 4 All?” Then they asked, well are you? And he said that and they thanked him and added him to some list. Absolutely cynical.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 18, 2019, 04:20:06 AM
I'm glad that when Pete decided to become a national politician sometime after Feb 2018, he went back and reconsidered all of his positions that had absolutely nothing to do with being a local politician.

What is the Manhattan mayor's position on M4A?

Also why are you awake KK?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on October 18, 2019, 08:17:58 AM
would a snake shovel other people's driveways? snakes can't even survive in the snow, kk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 08:24:45 AM
buttigieg also supported m4a at the start of his presidential campaign (very vaguely, as he did everything, to be sure).  he also switched his position on decriminalizing unauthorized entry sometime between the first debate and today.

the fakeness of his, at least to me, isn't so much changing your mind, it's turning around and attacking the people that hold the same position you held 3-4 months ago.  it seems pretty obvious to me that his campaign decided there was more of an opening trying to take moderate white voters from biden than there was trying to share very liberal white voters with warren.  he adjusted his beliefs accordingly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 18, 2019, 08:44:51 AM
he said he favors medicare for all. that doesn't mean that's what he would try to get passed. like, I favor a billion dollar home in the caymans with no actual job that i have to go to every day, but i'm pretty darned happy with my average house in mhk and my 40 hour a week gig doing what I do. you dorks are getting pretty worked up about this for no real reason.

also what sys is saying is correct, biden is tanking fast and not because of the Donald stuff. the more he talks the more people will see that he just isn't a valid candidate. pete will be there to sweep up all the people who leave biden and he is super actively working to make that happen. He also made a good point when he talks about how divided the country is. you put someone in who is going to try and cram medicare for all down peoples throats in a year and 40% of the country will lose their gd mind. people think they like their insurance and think they want to keep it. they are super dumb in doing so but you aren't going to be able to convince them otherwise and demanding they give it up and take something else is just going to fire them up. baby stepping this thing probably makes some sense.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 18, 2019, 09:15:58 AM
Listened to a Pete interview, I'm now #TeamPete

YES!

Whoa this is a big get for #teampete
I'd still vote for a Pub primary challenger given any viable opportunity, but Pete's a smart dude. A little too far left for me probably, but you can't get everything.


Glad to see Pete fixed his main issue by careening to the center!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 18, 2019, 09:17:08 AM
this is also a good answer.

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1094321782851624961

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 18, 2019, 09:28:16 AM
So it seems like Warren is toast.  Thank goodness.
Bummer, I guess her registering for the Texas bar as an American Indian didn't hurt her that much
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 09:36:25 AM
I really don't understand why the Indian stuff would hurt Warren. It's the most charming thing about her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 09:49:45 AM
I really don't understand why the Indian stuff would hurt Warren. It's the most charming thing about her.

Lyin Liz the Soccer Grandma has a lot of people fooled, you for example.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 09:53:02 AM
I really don't understand why the Indian stuff would hurt Warren. It's the most charming thing about her.

Those people have never met an okie I guess. 100% of Oklahomans claim some sort of Indian princess ancestor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 09:54:06 AM
I really don't understand why the Indian stuff would hurt Warren. It's the most charming thing about her.

Those people have never met an okie I guess. 100% of Oklahomans claim some sort of Indian princess ancestor.

Yes, it's great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 09:55:11 AM
Like 40% of kansans too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2019, 09:59:51 AM
It's not a good look. My Bernie Bro twitterers thought this would do her in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rau0A5w3OVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rau0A5w3OVI)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 10:04:53 AM
When you grow up with your parents and grandparents telling you that you have Indian blood, you are going to believe you have Indian blood. It's harmless.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2019, 10:10:14 AM
When you grow up with your parents and grandparents telling you that you have Indian blood, you are going to believe you have Indian blood. It's harmless.

Yeah I'm sure actual native Americans hate her but we murdered enough of them that their votes really don't matter. The question will be if it hurts her with the overall minority vote, which she needs.

Obviously evil white Americans won't care. (<-this was a reference to the Baton Rouge thread)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 10:15:14 AM
The best part of it all was the test proving that she did actually have some Native American DNA. It made me consider taking a test to see if my grandparents also weren't completely full of crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 18, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
The best part of it all was the test proving that she did actually have some Native American DNA. It made me consider taking a test to see if my grandparents also weren't completely full of crap.
But then you realized you could never become a serial killer, and you didn't want to lose the opportunity?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 18, 2019, 10:21:47 AM
I agree with MIR about the healthcare quality consequences.  As it is now, there is a three week wait to see your PCP.  At this point, we just go to the immediate care places for everything possible (which isn't a bad thing 100% of the time).  Additionally, it is a fight to get insurance to pay for things even when your doctor authorizes the procedure. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
The best part of it all was the test proving that she did actually have some Native American DNA. It made me consider taking a test to see if my grandparents also weren't completely full of crap.
But then you realized you could never become a serial killer, and you didn't want to lose the opportunity?

Deep down I just know that it would come back 0%. Maybe I'll do it after all of my grandparents are dead.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 10:27:22 AM
I agree with MIR about the healthcare quality consequences.  As it is now, there is a three week wait to see your PCP.  At this point, we just go to the immediate care places for everything possible (which isn't a bad thing 100% of the time).  Additionally, it is a fight to get insurance to pay for things even when your doctor authorizes the procedure.

Yeah, I would really like to see a candidate try to address the shortage we have in doctors. I would think costs might go down if we were able to flood the market with supply.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 10:46:53 AM
The best part of it all was the test proving that she did actually have some Native American DNA. It made me consider taking a test to see if my grandparents also weren't completely full of crap.

My entire family are okies. I was born in OKC. I literally spent my entire life thinking my maternal grandfather was Sac & Fox. His black family and friends called him Red. I took a 23 & Me and an Ancestry to find out that I am less than 1% native, but 20% northern European. Turns out my paternal great grandmother was at least half Scandinavian.

People killing Warren for this are either really ignorant as to how hard it was for Americans to know their true lineage or they have an agenda. I wonder how many people actually know their lineage or just goes by whatever family story they've been told.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 10:48:14 AM
When you grow up with your parents and grandparents telling you that you have Indian blood, you are going to believe you have Indian blood. It's harmless.

Yeah I'm sure actual native Americans hate her but we murdered enough of them that their votes really don't matter. The question will be if it hurts her with the overall minority vote, which she needs.

Obviously evil white Americans won't care. (<-this was a reference to the Baton Rouge thread)

Her apology went a long way to healing this. It's refreshing to have a person own up to their mistakes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
You have to be pretty bullet proof for something as petty as thinking you were Native American and then finding out you were only a tiny bit Native American be a talking point for opponents.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 11:19:24 AM
It's not a good look. My Bernie Bro twitterers thought this would do her in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rau0A5w3OVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rau0A5w3OVI)

Your Bernie Bros twitter went in on me last night, man were they pissed at me for suggesting that there is no media bias against Bernie. This one is my favorite reply.

https://twitter.com/skepto/status/1185075173185048576

This dude has no idea that Warren has been a Democrat 20 years longer than Bernie has. I'm also guessing he forgot some of Sanders decidedly non progressive positions like not favoring national gun legislation, after freaking Sandy Hook. I'm also guessing he forgot about Bernie's BLM issue in '16.

I stood up for these people last election :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2019, 11:22:44 AM



People killing Warren for this are either really ignorant as to how hard it was for Americans to know their true lineage or they have an agenda. I wonder how many people actually know their lineage or just goes by whatever family story they've been told.

I mean they definitely have an agenda
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on October 18, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
I agree with MIR about the healthcare quality consequences.  As it is now, there is a three week wait to see your PCP.  At this point, we just go to the immediate care places for everything possible (which isn't a bad thing 100% of the time).  Additionally, it is a fight to get insurance to pay for things even when your doctor authorizes the procedure.

Yeah, I would really like to see a candidate try to address the shortage we have in doctors. I would think costs might go down if we were able to flood the market with supply.

That won't happen, since the medical group limits the graduation rate of those seeking Doctor's degrees.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 12:37:01 PM
I agree with MIR about the healthcare quality consequences.  As it is now, there is a three week wait to see your PCP.  At this point, we just go to the immediate care places for everything possible (which isn't a bad thing 100% of the time).  Additionally, it is a fight to get insurance to pay for things even when your doctor authorizes the procedure.

Yeah, I would really like to see a candidate try to address the shortage we have in doctors. I would think costs might go down if we were able to flood the market with supply.

That won't happen, since the medical group limits the graduation rate of those seeking Doctor's degrees.

What now? The medical group?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
Joe Rodham McCarthy  :lol:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-says-tulsi-gabbard-is-a-russian-asset-groomed-to-ensure-trump-re-election

Is this for real?

Eric Holder trying to "protect" the voter process  :lol: :lol:

I listened to part of the podcast it's pure  :jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 18, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
I don't think I believe that Hillary said Jill Stein is a Russian asset, like that article says. Can you post a 10 second audio clip for me
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 01:17:24 PM
I don't think I believe that Hillary said Jill Stein is a Russian asset, like that article says. Can you post a 10 second audio clip for me

I don't listen to that part.  I'm not going to listen to an hour long podcast with that whackjob.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 01:21:34 PM
I'm super confused about the entire concept of being a Russian asset. What exactly is there to be gained?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 01:28:26 PM
I'm super confused about the entire concept of being a Russian asset. What exactly is there to be gained?

They don't like Tulsi Gabbard because (and this is party agnostic) there's still a massive element in Washington DC who wants U.S. engagement militarily all over the globe, who wants the US involved in regime change etc. etc.    So Gabbard making some of the comments she's made is immediately going to get her attacked as a "Russian asset".    It really is harkening back to the days of McCarthy.

What makes this even more laughable is the fact that the woman spouting this crap (in this instance) was the same woman over putting the "Reset" button in front of the Russian's as SOS a few years back.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 01:34:26 PM
Yeah, I would really like to see a candidate try to address the shortage we have in doctors. I would think costs might go down if we were able to flood the market with supply.

i dunno if we are just so crazy xenophobic that we'd rather pay more than let in immigrants or if big doctor has paid everyone off, but for whatever reason no one is interested in the obvious first step to improving health care costs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 01:35:19 PM
It made me consider taking a test to see if my grandparents also weren't completely full of crap.

i'm gonna do this at some point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 18, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
I took a DNA test. Turns out I'm 100% that bitch.

Or 72% Northwestern European.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 02:04:08 PM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/mNLJ3i2oRyg[/youtube]

63 million votes for this whackjob.
:jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy: :jeffy:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
I took a DNA test. Turns out I'm 100% that bitch.

Or 72% Northwestern European.

Not sure if that means Dutch or British Isles.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 18, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
I took a DNA test. Turns out I'm 100% that bitch.

Or 72% Northwestern European.

Not sure if that means Dutch or British Isles.
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 02:57:43 PM
Just logged into my 23 & Me and Ancestry accounts and I've been upgraded to 2 and 3 percents native american, respectively.  :excited:

Call me, Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 03:02:49 PM
i didn't know they continually updated your report as their database becomes more complete and they can more precisely distinguish geographic signal.  that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2019, 03:08:30 PM
i didn't know they continually updated your report as their database becomes more complete and they can more precisely distinguish geographic signal.  that's pretty cool.

Yeah.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2019, 03:13:24 PM
I didn't either until today. Incidentally the increase in my Native American, Asian, and East African have come at the expense of my Northern European lineage which is down 5% to %12, which makes a lot more sense if my great-grandmother was half European.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 18, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
My 1% Congo is holding steady.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 04:21:12 PM
suddenly, dax has a favorite.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 18, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
I think she should have gone with something more like, "emails, bitch."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 04:48:53 PM
suddenly, dax has a favorite.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464

Tough message for the 63 million strong who voted for Hillary, but useful idiot LibBot Nation will just rage on Gabbard instead.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 18, 2019, 05:04:01 PM
Personally, I’d prefer Hillary to STFU and go away.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 05:07:41 PM
Dax is literally the only person on this blog who cares about anything she says
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 05:08:35 PM
Also good response from tulsi
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
Personally, I’d prefer Hillary to STFU and go away.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 05:10:57 PM
Can you imagine how much more weird dax would be if Hillary Clinton was never heard from again? He's an addict.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 18, 2019, 05:14:04 PM
Personally, I’d prefer Hillary to STFU and go away.


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there are really gross hillary people in tulsi's replies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 18, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
I think a thread with detailed criticism of Hillary's career by resident lib bots might be a healing step forward here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 05:19:29 PM
Once again, LibBots in residence think they speak for all of LibBotDom

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
 :lynchmob:
Can you imagine how much more weird dax would be if Hillary Clinton was never heard from again? He's an addict.

Can you imagine a day when LibBot.9  doesn't step in to defend Hillary but then tries to claim he really doesn't like her?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 05:24:44 PM
Feel free to post examples itt
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 05:37:32 PM
Feel free to post examples itt

You're always ridin in faster than normal anytime I mention Hillary.

If Hillary would just go away, but she won't.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2019, 05:39:41 PM
Feel free to post examples itt

You're always ridin in faster than normal anytime I mention Hillary.

If Hillary would just go away, but she won't.

@420seriouscat69 can you translate for me?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 18, 2019, 05:44:04 PM
I think a thread with detailed criticism of Hillary's career by resident lib bots might be a healing step forward here.
The only positive I can think of was how she had Epstein killed.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 18, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Top rope crap from Tulsi.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 06:45:10 PM
Feel free to post examples itt

You're always ridin in faster than normal anytime I mention Hillary.

If Hillary would just go away, but she won't.

@420seriouscat69 can you translate for me?

Sorry the last Dem presidential nominee was and is a total whackjob.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 18, 2019, 08:09:26 PM
I'm glad that when Pete decided to become a national politician sometime after Feb 2018, he went back and reconsidered all of his positions that had absolutely nothing to do with being a local politician.

What is the Manhattan mayor's position on M4A?

Also why are you awake KK?

Fall screws with my sleeping pattern so I usually go to bed early and then wake up early and then try to get another hour of sleep snoozing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 18, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
 :lol:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1185350095912484864
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 18, 2019, 08:34:38 PM
Tulsi was made for the white power hour


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 19, 2019, 07:38:09 AM
Good summary of my feelings here:


https://twitter.com/maplecocaine/status/1185346675122098177


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on October 20, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
lmao dax

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 20, 2019, 06:33:24 PM
lmao dax

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MoStalkerCat

Did you think I wasn't going to retweet that?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 20, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 20, 2019, 08:51:09 PM
63 million LibBot Jackboots voted for that Whack-A-Doo

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2019, 09:47:13 PM
Feel free to post examples itt

You're always ridin in faster than normal anytime I mention Hillary.

If Hillary would just go away, but she won't.

@420seriouscat69 can you translate for me?
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2019, 11:33:14 PM
Warren is currently in Iowa. Today she announced that she would release detailed information about how her health care plan will be paid for. I will be attending my first Warren campaign event tomorrow night, she's hosting a town hall on ISU's campus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 21, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
what are you doing?

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1186008390926917632
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on October 21, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
what are you doing?

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1186008390926917632

62k replies, 50k are probably republicans making the same joke about her finally finding correspondence.  She tee'd them up
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on October 21, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
she's still "pokemon go to polls"'ing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2019, 10:04:04 AM
Does Tulsi wear the same white pant suit everyday cuz it sure seems like it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2019, 10:18:48 AM
Soccer Grandma sure does stumble and stammer around every time her health care plan gets asked about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2019, 11:02:23 AM
Holy crap Pete!  :love:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1186265517910310912
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 21, 2019, 11:14:50 AM
Pete!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 21, 2019, 11:49:02 AM
Seems reasonable that the votes Joe loses would skip past Warren/Sanders and fall to moderate dreamboat Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on October 21, 2019, 11:59:03 AM
:love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
Stunz!


https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1186400088677081088


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Church Creeper on October 21, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
Stunz!


https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1186400088677081088


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Joe just thought he was talking to the guy who does his laundry.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 21, 2019, 05:33:48 PM
Stunz!


https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1186400088677081088


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Joe just thought he was talking to the guy who does his laundry.
No. You forget we're talking about ChiCom Joe, here. Yang's parents are from Taiwan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2019, 05:36:29 PM
https://twitter.com/katearonoff/status/1186408678490038272


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2019, 06:13:14 PM
https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1186405744146554882?s=21

my man.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Holy crap Pete!  :love:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1186265517910310912

Told y'all. Enjoy 8 years of Barack Botedgeedge
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2019, 07:04:49 PM
I’ll take it!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
Still think Bernie dies or quits and Liz is the nom though. If Pete can keep them both in it he’s got a shot.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2019, 07:29:51 PM
Sneaky Pete  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2019, 08:16:40 PM
(https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/4/4e/Sneaky_Pete%27s_logo.png)

@sonofdaxjones

Any good Alabamian worth his salt has eaten a hot dog there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2019, 09:04:34 PM
Time to add BetoDork to the ranks of the New McCarthyites. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 21, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
he's polled much better in iowa than nationally for a long time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2019, 09:10:59 PM
(https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/4/4e/Sneaky_Pete%27s_logo.png)

@sonofdaxjones

Any good Alabamian worth his salt has eaten a hot dog there.

No thanks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 21, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
Holy crap Pete!  :love:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1186265517910310912

Told y'all. Enjoy 8 years of Barack Botedgeedge
Sold!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2019, 10:24:49 PM
Holy crap Pete!  :love:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1186265517910310912

Told y'all. Enjoy 8 years of Barack Botedgeedge

Good call.

The Dem playbook, audibles have been something to behold. Much like the Pub playbook audibles from 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2019, 10:27:34 PM
Pete would be way less progressive than Barack. who wasn't very progressive!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
@sys why do white people prefer Pete instead of Beto so much?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
@sys why do white people prefer Pete instead of Beto so much?

See your previous post
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2019, 11:20:56 PM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2019, 11:23:35 PM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.

I've said it before but it's mumped up how much power Iowa has over everything
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2019, 11:25:42 PM
Go see Trump he's great in person
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2019, 11:29:04 PM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.

I've said it before but it's mumped up how much power Iowa has over everything

It's just cool MIR gets to see all these people up close and really get a feel for them. Old tymie, like a guy in a top hat getting off the train line.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2019, 11:30:12 PM
Go see Trump he's great in person

I kind of want too. I think it would be a fascinating experience.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2019, 11:33:27 PM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.

I've said it before but it's mumped up how much power Iowa has over everything

It's just cool MIR gets to see all these people up close and really get a feel for them. Old tymie, like a guy in a top hat getting off the train line.

yeah it was really just jealousy speaking and I'm glad MiR has a say because he is a good person as far as Iowans go
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on October 21, 2019, 11:39:11 PM
Like, I wonder which candidate I would like if I didnt have social media or internet or tv or whatever and just read newspaper snippets and heard crappy little clips from the radio and then I went to the state fair or some candidate was in town for a whistle stop tour.

rough ridin' incredible man. Like, towns still have memorials where presidents stopped and spoke there whether in office or during campaigns from like 1910 and stuff, 1800s even.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 21, 2019, 11:46:42 PM
@sys why do white people prefer Pete instead of Beto so much?

 :dunno:

we elected trump too.  we're a weird people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 21, 2019, 11:48:11 PM
I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses.

that's great.  hope you get a chance to talk with beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2019, 06:31:37 AM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.

Look forward to the reports back


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2019, 08:33:40 AM
Sorry resident disenfranchised LibBots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anxious-democratic-establishment-asks-is-there-anybody-else/ar-AAJa37x
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on October 22, 2019, 11:06:42 AM
Sorry resident disenfranchised LibBots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anxious-democratic-establishment-asks-is-there-anybody-else/ar-AAJa37x

Those people are morons.  It's like conference realignment, if enough dumbasses keep talking about it, it will eventually become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
I learned something today!

https://twitter.com/RFarrfan/status/1186637648456306690?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 22, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
What do they mean differentiate? I didn’t know those things about any of those guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 22, 2019, 01:14:43 PM
Yeah, my first thought was that the other guys probably don't tout their education as much as Pete's team does, but then I realized I didn't know anything about Pete's education, either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2019, 02:41:50 PM
What do they mean differentiate? I didn’t know those things about any of those guys.


Me neither. Stans love to think their candidate is getting the screw job in the media.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2019, 02:52:02 PM
I would have thought Pete's differentiator is his military experience  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on October 22, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
The only differentiators I've seen with Sneaky Pete is (1) gay, (2) speaks 17 languages.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 22, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
I would have thought Pete's differentiator is his military experience  :dunno:

I always thought it was the McKinsey job but I’ve never worked with a McKinsey person I liked so it was more of a negative differentiator for me.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2019, 03:05:23 PM
I don't know what that is  :peek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 22, 2019, 03:29:31 PM
pete is just positioned so perfectly. immediately jumping to the middle on a bunch of stuff was genius. he's our next president. we went from pedro on the real world to a gay male president in just 26 years. pretty amazing.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
Sorry resident disenfranchised LibBots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anxious-democratic-establishment-asks-is-there-anybody-else/ar-AAJa37x

Those people are morons.  It's like conference realignment, if enough dumbasses keep talking about it, it will eventually become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Friend, if it appears that any of the legion of socialist whack jobs are remotely close to getting the nomination, they’ll be new candidates entering the race.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 22, 2019, 07:37:49 PM
https://m.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Democrats-see-weak-spots-in-their-own-2020-14554735.php
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 22, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
he's gonna end up defining himself as the candidate black voters won't support and it's gonna stick to him longer than just 2020.

https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1186676094017167363
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2019, 08:47:53 PM
The Liz town hall offered no revelations to me at all. I think people who don't support the candidate should go to these things. I think people seeing her in this forum would humanize her quite a bit, she just doesn't sound like a pol at all, she hasn't been one for long.

That being said tonight I signed up for an event with the Bot and with Beto, both on November 1st. I'm going to see Liz, Bot, Beto, Booker, and Bernie at least twice each before the caucuses. Booker might be tough as he doesn't spend a lot of time here, I know I'll at least see him at the Brown and Black Forum on MLK Day.

I've said it before but it's mumped up how much power Iowa has over everything

FWIW we've entered the stage where they're everywhere. I checked their Facebook pages for events nearly all of them are spending time in California. It's fundraising season, can't really do that here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2019, 08:53:11 PM
Go see Trump he's great in person

I would have a serious issue being there because I'm not going to cosplay in MAGA gear. I think the odds of me going to one of those and not having someone talk to me are slim to none. Also going would be completely unnecessary because everything he says gets heavily covered.

I did go to a Steve King event. The idiot held it in downtown Des Moines, about as far away from his base you can get while staying in the state, it was all libs and media.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 22, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
his campaign leaked results of a focus group they conducted with black voters in south carolina that indicated that those focus group participants were skeptical of him, in part, because he's gay.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2019, 09:04:11 PM
he's gonna end up defining himself as the candidate black voters won't support and it's gonna stick to him longer than just 2020.

https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1186676094017167363

So for those who don't know, she's referring to Pete's campaign saying that his being gay is a barrier for him with black voters in South Carolina. Guess what, he's 100% correct. Homophobia among black people, especially evangelicals is a huge problem. That's not to say that literally every time he has a chance to reach black voters, he fucks it up, royally. He is the absolutely the wrong candidate to bring this up.

I'd also point out that Maxwell supported HRC while she was carrying hot sauce in her bag while visiting black southern churches. Take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2019, 06:16:50 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-2020-race-has-a-new-shadow-hillary-clinton/2019/10/22/25f5321e-f482-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2019, 09:56:54 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-2020-race-has-a-new-shadow-hillary-clinton/2019/10/22/25f5321e-f482-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html

It’s time for gE to have a giant irl halloween party wherever dax would be compelled to attend and at which multiple other gE’rs would go as various types of hillary clintons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2019, 10:01:29 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-2020-race-has-a-new-shadow-hillary-clinton/2019/10/22/25f5321e-f482-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html

It’s time for gE to have a giant irl halloween party wherever dax would be compelled to attend and at which multiple other gE’rs would go as various types of hillary clintons.

I don't write the news

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
I’d also be good with us converting the now completed FattyFund project to a thing that raises money for all kids who would trick-or-treat at dax’s house to be outfitted in elaborate spooky clinton costumes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2019, 11:24:02 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 23, 2019, 11:28:47 AM
Hey guys Joe is BACK   :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 23, 2019, 11:32:05 AM
he's gonna end up defining himself as the candidate black voters won't support and it's gonna stick to him longer than just 2020.

https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1186676094017167363

So for those who don't know, she's referring to Pete's campaign saying that his being gay is a barrier for him with black voters in South Carolina. Guess what, he's 100% correct. Homophobia among black people, especially evangelicals is a huge problem. That's not to say that literally every time he has a chance to reach black voters, he fucks it up, royally. He is the absolutely the wrong candidate to bring this up.

I'd also point out that Maxwell supported HRC while she was carrying hot sauce in her bag while visiting black southern churches. Take that for what it's worth.

bad news is that MIR is correct. good news is that president pete doesn't really need the southern African American evangelical vote to get elected. also, how long before they start using president pete? I mean I just had to think of it myself out of nowhere.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 23, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
It’ll be Liz


https://twitter.com/micahcohen/status/1186997449430372352


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
Well she is the top polling candidate. If you did this a couple months ago, wouldn’t those alternatives all have pointed to Biden?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 23, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
It’ll be Liz


https://twitter.com/micahcohen/status/1186997449430372352


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57% of Warren's supporters that are considering another candidate are considering Biden.  This is true for the other top-tier candidates as well.  Also, 88.4% of Warren's supporters are considering someone else while only 78.1% of Biden's are considering someone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 23, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
I’m considering voting for anyone but Trump.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
Well known mega corrupt racist war monger ChiCom Joe Biden polling strong with CNN.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 23, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
How's Papa "Front Runner" Trump polling?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
How's Papa "Front Runner" Trump polling?

 :dunno:
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2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 23, 2019, 01:14:41 PM
Like 80% of your posts in this thread are about Hillary Clinton tho  :confused:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on October 23, 2019, 01:50:30 PM
Like 80% of your posts in this thread are about Hillary Clinton tho  :confused:

To be fair, she has the fifth-best betting odds to be the Democratic nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 23, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
good news is that president pete doesn't really need the southern African American evangelical vote to get elected.

it would have to be a very unusual election for someone to win the nomination without getting a very substantial share of black voters.  like getting into brokered convention level of unusual.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 23, 2019, 02:15:21 PM
these data are two weeks old, but still.

look at buttigieg by race and education (both together not as single variables).

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 23, 2019, 02:35:48 PM
just realized you can change the date of the datasets to see how the composition of each candidate's support has changed (or how it has not changed).  very cool.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
he's gonna end up defining himself as the candidate black voters won't support and it's gonna stick to him longer than just 2020.

https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1186676094017167363

So for those who don't know, she's referring to Pete's campaign saying that his being gay is a barrier for him with black voters in South Carolina. Guess what, he's 100% correct. Homophobia among black people, especially evangelicals is a huge problem. That's not to say that literally every time he has a chance to reach black voters, he fucks it up, royally. He is the absolutely the wrong candidate to bring this up.

I'd also point out that Maxwell supported HRC while she was carrying hot sauce in her bag while visiting black southern churches. Take that for what it's worth.

bad news is that MIR is correct. good news is that president pete doesn't really need the southern African American evangelical vote to get elected. also, how long before they start using president pete? I mean I just had to think of it myself out of nowhere.

That is not a small segment of voters. This is also a recipe for winning the nomination but losing the general. I only mentioned "southern" because his campaign did, but the percentage of blacks who are evangelicals is a larger percentage than whites who are evangelicals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 23, 2019, 08:10:20 PM
I’m assuming he will start shutting up about it and stop mentioning his husband. Who knows
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 23, 2019, 08:24:18 PM
the last candidate to win the democratic nomination without winning the majority of black voters was dukakis.  more than thirty years ago.  the specific mechanism that enabled him to accomplish that was jackson's candidacy which captured a significant fraction of the black vote and almost none of the white vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2019, 03:02:48 AM
Yeah, I like Pete but he isn’t winning this thing


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2019, 04:47:32 AM
If you like any DemBot Candidate that's a current U.S. Senator.

You'll know the fix is in if Slurs Pelosi calls for and gets an impeachment proceedings vote.

Once it goes to the Senate for a trial.   No campaigning.

Things will set up nicely for mega corrupt known racist war monger ChiCom Joe.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 24, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
If you like any DemBot Candidate that's a current U.S. Senator.

You'll know the fix is in if Slurs Pelosi calls for and gets an impeachment proceedings vote.

Once it goes to the Senate for a trial.   No campaigning.

Things will set up nicely for mega corrupt known racist war monger ChiCom Joe.

This is a new take.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Dax is legit upset with the Democratic Party for having a corrupt nomination process (that doesn't actually exist).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2019, 09:43:04 AM
Dax is legit upset with the Democratic Party for having a corrupt nomination process (that doesn't actually exist).

The last DNC nomination process was corrupt as hell, just a shame you either slept through it, or are too indoctrinated to see it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2019, 09:44:21 AM
It showed up on texags last week, dax has slightly tweaked it to fit his agenda. Texags thought this is why slurs pelosi would not bring an impeachment vote.

Basically, by law the senators would be required to attend the impeachment trial 6 days a week from like noon to 5 pm or something. They will still campaign at night, but it would probably be limited to a few hours flight distance. They also would likely be on tv every night talking about the trial.

I have no idea if it's actually true.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2019, 09:51:07 AM
LibDork.9 loves:

Alex Jones
Rush Limbaugh
Texag Politics Forum






Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2019, 09:53:07 AM
You can add yourself to the list bud, you earned it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2019, 09:53:57 AM
You can add yourself to the list bud, you earned it

LibDork.9:  I comment on stuff but I really don't know much of anything about anything



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2019, 11:25:04 AM
If you like any DemBot Candidate that's a current U.S. Senator.

You'll know the fix is in if Slurs Pelosi calls for and gets an impeachment proceedings vote.

Once it goes to the Senate for a trial.   No campaigning.

Things will set up nicely for mega corrupt known racist war monger ChiCom Joe.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2019, 11:27:56 AM
Apparently everyone from Times, to the NYT's etc. etc is on something.   DNC talking points didn't cover this with you @MakeItRain?

Trial goes from noon to 5'oclock 6 days a week.    No grandstanding, all questions must go through Chief Justice.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 25, 2019, 01:03:06 AM
there are so many fascinating things in this chart.

https://twitter.com/johnlray/status/1187586750530478080
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2019, 01:24:23 AM
https://twitter.com/kaikahele/status/1187580680756068352
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e78c6c6ca412534a216859bd3cbe02b4/tenor.gif?itemid=7313959)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2019, 01:26:52 AM
there are so many fascinating things in this chart.

https://twitter.com/johnlray/status/1187586750530478080

Bernie bots hate everyone else, that checks out
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2019, 06:47:02 AM
It was only a matter of time before Tulsi did a full heal turn and reaped the Fox prime time  rewards.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2019, 07:07:24 AM
Pretty fantastic considering legions of LibBot Whackjobs are out there espousing the "Russian Asset" narrative as outlined by the last Dem Presidential Nominee.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 25, 2019, 08:12:48 AM
for (int i = 0; i < 0; i++) {
    InvokeHillary();
}
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on October 25, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
This is why I always called Tulsi the world's only MAGA Democrat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2019, 08:50:44 AM
Hillary is all over the news, Hillary is calling current presidential candidates Russian Assets.   If you talk about it, Hillary's biggest fan, The Big Dummy:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/XevXoNu5WZxe0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
could also go to the old people in politics thead

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1187805239723859968?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 27, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
you all know that old saying

https://twitter.com/SharnaAisha/status/1188486731601006592
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on October 27, 2019, 07:04:14 PM
She done.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 27, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
i've seen harris people saying sanders disqualified himself and now a sanders poster (as well as a buttigieg poster, i guess) saying harris did so at this event.  biden supposedly also said some old and out of touch crap there.

tough event, apparently.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 27, 2019, 08:28:06 PM
sys Bill Maher made a good point the other night about the 'crat candidates taking crazy sounding positions that pander to teeny tiny voting blocs,  why in your opinion is this happening?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 27, 2019, 08:34:12 PM
i've seen harris people saying sanders disqualified himself and now a sanders poster (as well as a buttigieg poster, i guess) saying harris did so at this event.  biden supposedly also said some old and out of touch crap there.

tough event, apparently.

I didn’t say she DQ’d herself because of this. I had already DQ’d her when she made clear she isn’t for Medicare 4 All.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 27, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
sys Bill Maher made a good point the other night about the 'crat candidates taking crazy sounding positions that pander to teeny tiny voting blocs,  why in your opinion is this happening?

because there are (were) like 20 candidates and the campaign is like a year long so eventually they all get asked a lot of different questions and at least a few of them believe at least one or two things that are slightly outside the mainstream of the party, so when they're asked, they outline their beliefs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 27, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
I didn’t say she DQ’d herself because of this. I had already DQ’d her when she made clear she isn’t for Medicare 4 All.

are you standing ready to dq warren when she retreats from m4a?  sanders called beto "a friend" the other day, basically endorsing him, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 27, 2019, 08:51:26 PM
sys Bill Maher made a good point the other night about the 'crat candidates taking crazy sounding positions that pander to teeny tiny voting blocs,  why in your opinion is this happening?

because there are (were) like 20 candidates and the campaign is like a year long so eventually they all get asked a lot of different questions and at least a few of them believe at least one or two things that are slightly outside the mainstream of the party, so when they're asked, they outline their beliefs.

I can't remember a 'crat President that didn't campaign as a 'publight.  Nobody has been elected saying what Sanders, Warren, Beto etc are saying.  Biden is running the old playbook.  If this is what these people believe why don't they know to hide it until after the election.  There is something else going on and I think it is a gross miscalculation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on October 27, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
I didn’t say she DQ’d herself because of this. I had already DQ’d her when she made clear she isn’t for Medicare 4 All.

are you standing ready to dq warren when she retreats from m4a?  sanders called beto "a friend" the other day, basically endorsing him, imo.

I don’t know what you are trying to do here. I have DQ’d everyone but Bernie. I will probably vote for Warren if she is up against Trump (won’t matter) but I’m leaving the top of the ticket blank if it is Biden or Pete or something.

I’m more interested in convincing make it rain that this is the right course of action.



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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 27, 2019, 09:00:32 PM
oh, i thought you'd softened towards warren.  trying to get you to move beto up above her on your ranked choice ballot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 27, 2019, 09:48:05 PM
i've seen harris people saying sanders disqualified himself and now a sanders poster (as well as a buttigieg poster, i guess) saying harris did so at this event.  biden supposedly also said some old and out of touch crap there.

tough event, apparently.

This isn't disqualifying for Kamala for anyone who's paid attention, it's more of the same. The comment from Biden, "poor kids are just as bright as white kids," is absolutely stunning. It either is an insight into his feelings or it was just an astounding gaffe, that has to lead one to wonder how many more of those he has in the holster for the reminder of the primary and general seasons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 27, 2019, 10:07:34 PM
did biden say that again?  hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 27, 2019, 10:39:32 PM
Oh i get it, you guys like hearing these crazy things, they get you all fired up and you don't realize how extreme they are and how few Americans share the views.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 28, 2019, 03:36:16 AM
Oh i get it, you guys like hearing these crazy things, they get you all fired up and you don't realize how extreme they are and how few Americans share the views.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IgAgZFCfZPTkbDvtxC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2019, 08:24:00 AM
i've seen harris people saying sanders disqualified himself and now a sanders poster (as well as a buttigieg poster, i guess) saying harris did so at this event.  biden supposedly also said some old and out of touch crap there.

tough event, apparently.

This isn't disqualifying for Kamala for anyone who's paid attention, it's more of the same. The comment from Biden, "poor kids are just as bright as white kids," is absolutely stunning. It either is an insight into his feelings or it was just an astounding gaffe, that has to lead one to wonder how many more of those he has in the holster for the reminder of the primary and general seasons.

I think it’s because his brain is mostly pudding.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 29, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
After Biden gets humiliated in Iowa who will step out of the shadows as the establishment losses their mind over who will be the front runner?

Also look for the impeachment process to begin an even slower roll.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2019, 11:22:51 AM
It's looking like Pete is going to be the moderate choice. It's also looking like Warren is going to run away with the nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2019, 11:55:13 AM
Agreed. Most people thought going into this process that moderate candidates could not survive. Pete is still making a play to garner as much of the mods as he can (as he should-that’s who he appeals to). Just unlikely to be enough unless a much larger pool of voters participate in the primary process than typically do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 29, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
It's looking like Pete is going to be the moderate choice. It's also looking like Warren is going to run away with the nomination.

don't agree with either assertion.  recent polling actually has warren declining, biden steady.  not that either means much 3 months out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 29, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
Most people thought going into this process that moderate candidates could not survive.

who thought that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2019, 12:47:09 PM
Many people were saying
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
These people: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-there-be-a-moderate-lane-in-the-2020-democratic-primary/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2019, 01:09:45 PM
It's also looking like Warren is going to run away with the nomination.

Nah. No one's is running away with the nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 29, 2019, 03:38:00 PM
These people: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-there-be-a-moderate-lane-in-the-2020-democratic-primary/

bacon basically argues that a) half of the dem electorate is moderate or conservative and b) that voters don't usually vote along (self-described) ideological axes.  he also states in that article that biden might be ideally placed to form a coalition among (self-described) non-liberals.

other than the title being phrased as a question, i don't see much, if anything, there that supports your assertion.


i'll add (more to rage than to you) that while buttigieg is ideologically placed among the moderates, and he has been clearly trying to reposition himself further to the right, afaik, most of his support still comes from (self-described) liberals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 29, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
btw, this shows warren declining recently, which coincides with getting a little bit of bad press for the first time since like april or may.  all with the very big caveat that the rcp average is a really shitty average and it's entirely likely that both her apparent rise in early october and her apparent subsequent decline are just noise based on which polls are included in that week's average.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1188514818883371008
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 29, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
spoiler alert, nerds and dorks don't win especially not dorky nerds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on October 29, 2019, 04:43:51 PM
These people: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-there-be-a-moderate-lane-in-the-2020-democratic-primary/

bacon basically argues that a) half of the dem electorate is moderate or conservative and b) that voters don't usually vote along (self-described) ideological axes.  he also states in that article that biden might be ideally placed to form a coalition among (self-described) non-liberals.

other than the title being phrased as a question, i don't see much, if anything, there that supports your assertion.


i'll add (more to rage than to you) that while buttigieg is ideologically placed among the moderates, and he has been clearly trying to reposition himself further to the right, afaik, most of his support still comes from (self-described) liberals.

My assertion was that the perception from the outset was that the odds are against a moderate candidate winning the democratic primary. That’s exactly what the article is about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on October 29, 2019, 05:17:41 PM
bacon's article sets up that argument as "if you follow politics through cable news, or via twitter...".

it is setting that up not as a predominant view but as a misunderstanding based on how one might be inadvertently filtering perceptions of the electorate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 31, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/bill-clinton-fuels-rumors-of-a-hillary-2020-run-she-may-or-may-not-run-video/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 01, 2019, 09:31:47 AM
Plenty of open slots coming at your local Medical Schools.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/01/elizabeth-warren-releases-plan-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 01, 2019, 09:37:41 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/bill-clinton-fuels-rumors-of-a-hillary-2020-run-she-may-or-may-not-run-video/

 :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 04:33:35 PM
Beto  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 01, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
His supporter will likely pivot to Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 04:41:50 PM
Sys will know
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 04:43:51 PM
Goddamnit Beto, I'm supposed to see this dude speak tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 01, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
Beto will make a nice VP option for someone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 01, 2019, 04:54:00 PM
Well, one total whackjob gone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 01, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
HOW IS SYS DOING
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 01, 2019, 04:59:22 PM
I don’t really see Beto being a great VP candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 01, 2019, 05:00:53 PM
I don’t really see Beto being a great VP candidate.

he pairs nicely with bernie imo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 01, 2019, 05:01:43 PM
or Liz. to battle the obvious Biden/Pete ticket. Really it's just down to who blinks or dies first between liz and bern.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 06:15:27 PM
So I'm currently at an event called The Liberty and Justice Celebration. Most of the candidates are here, no crazy Gabbard. The Beto people, volunteers & employees, had no idea he was dropping. There are Beto signs everywhere, the arena is split into supporter sections and the Beto section is decorated. Those people have been standing in the rain outside the arena all afternoon, I feel awful for them, it's devastating.  BTW I'm in the Pete section, his campaign invited me.

I've seen one yang supporter and he looks exactly like you'd imagine he would, dude was a young 20 something dressed like Captain America and he has $1000 sharpied on the CA shield.

There are 15,000 people here and it's starting, pics and a report later.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 01, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
lol great report so far mir
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 01, 2019, 06:16:40 PM
ALSO HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM SYS
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 01, 2019, 06:37:08 PM
Yang gang lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Not sure why but Biden's section has had all of their supporter signs removed and it's completely empty. The picture is of his section.

BotEdgeEdge has the most supporters, by far and the loudest.

The Police is the surprise of the night, her section is huge. Lil Klo has a lot as does Warren. Booker has more people here than Biden and Sanders combined. Yang Gang has a few hundred, everyone else is meh.

(https://i.imgur.com/uYIZ2fF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 01, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
So I'm currently at an event called The Liberty and Justice Celebration. Most of the candidates are here, no crazy Gabbard. The Beto people, volunteers & employees, had no idea he was dropping. There are Beto signs everywhere, the arena is split into supporter sections and the Beto section is decorated. Those people have been standing in the rain outside the arena all afternoon, I feel awful for them, it's devastating.  BTW I'm in the Pete section, his campaign invited me.

I've seen one yang supporter and he looks exactly like you'd imagine he would, dude was a young 20 something dressed like Captain America and he has $1000 sharpied on the CA shield.

There are 15,000 people here and it's starting, pics and a report later.

TY for your service
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Actual impressive showing by the police. She paying people to be here? I think if all these people were polled she'd double her numbers.
(https://i.imgur.com/9aV3pJg_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
 :lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 07:10:47 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 07:14:05 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on November 01, 2019, 07:44:29 PM
Has their been any mention of corn pop?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 08:11:39 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
Has their been any mention of corn pop?

LOL, he just finished & no, he didn't mention corn pop. RIP
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 08:17:46 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.

So they marketed to you based solely off facebook interaction?  or something else you filled out, you mentioned they have your email and phone # ?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 01, 2019, 09:04:50 PM
gato, who's your favorite 2020 dem candidate? I would have guessed Beto but he's gone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 01, 2019, 09:41:19 PM
15k whackjobs in Iowa.  Surprising . . . no, expected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
gato, who's your favorite 2020 dem candidate? I would have guessed Beto but he's gone.

nope, Booti
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 01, 2019, 09:43:07 PM
Hell yeah BotEdgeEdge
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 09:43:39 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.

So they marketed to you based solely off facebook interaction?  or something else you filled out, you mentioned they have your email and phone # ?

That's it. When you commit attend one of these events, of course they have you fill out a form with your contact info. I'm pretty sure they all use the same database, Act Blue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
15k whackjobs in Iowa.  Surprising . . . no, expected.

Your stupid ass would think there's only 15,000 Democratic voters in any given state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 01, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
15k whackjobs in Iowa.  Surprising . . . no, expected.

Your stupid ass would think there's only 15,000 Democratic voters in any given state.

In the arena dumbass. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 09:49:33 PM
For some dumb rough ridin' reason the Iowa Democratic Party thought it would be a good idea to trot out more Iowa Democratic speakers, three hours after we've got into this damn thing. At least half of the crowd has left in the 20 minutes these people have started talking. If I were a candidate or a supporter of one of the candidates yet to speak, I'd be furious. I planned on doing this at the end but now we'll call it a halftime report instead.

Here's the summary to this point:

So here is my summary of the speakers in order of appearance, it was a random draw I'm writing as I listen:

Pete- Dynamic speaker, had the entire audience in the palm of his hand, even got the Yang Gang to behave. I said it before but he's going to win this caucus and if he can make any headway, at all, with my brothas and sistas, he's going to win the whole damn thing. He speaks to everyone and he's going to pull progressives, he already has.

Biden- Oof. He tried man, he tried. He ran out instead of walked, but then it fell apart. His message was flat and unoriginal. He said "I'll beat him like a drum" three times in 10 minutes. His little supporter group gave him nothing, but he also didn't give them any reason to. The wtf are you doing Joe moment of the speech was when he said "hi sweetheart" to someone who wasn't his wife. He did this in the middle of a sorry about a girl with cancer who got kicked off of her insurance. He's a dead candidate walking.

Yang- Came out to "Return of the Mack." This was my first time  hearing him away from the debates and now see why the Yang Gang loves him so much. He did a great job explaining the dividend and putting it in historical context. He also spoke coherently on other topics as well. The Yang Gang was on fire, but everyone else seemed to really like him too. This is where I'll apologize for calling him a clown and all of his supporters internet trolls and incels. He's great and belongs in the cabinet.

Liz-Her sleepy ass supporters have finally woken up. She talked about how she is the candidate of "big ideas." Told a story about the forming of the CFPB to illustrate that she can and will take on the establishment by making big, substantive changes. It was a solid, but unspectacular speech. Lots of positive, polite applause from everyone here. She was the only person, to this point, not to reference the cheeto. She sounded like the front-runner, I'm not sure that's a good thing for her, we'll see.

Kamala-She came out and her thousands of supporters had a huge "Justice for the People" sign, ironic. She said "I was a prosecutor and I've only had one client, the people."  :ROFL: She's a very high energy speaker, she hit a lot of policy positions because she is so fast and energetic. Lots of Trump talk too. Her supporters did a much better job than Pete's people of giving her space. She was the first candidate that endorsed and said the phrase "medicaid for all." Then she parsed it by saying that people could keep their plan, it's Pete's medicaid for most. She finished by shouting out Beto's buyback plan, said it was courageous, did not back it though.

Tom Steyer- This was clearly not an "elect me" speech. He wants the candidates and the voters to hear his ideas. He really hammered three ideals. 1. Impeach Trump 2. Environmental Reform 3. Term Limits/Election Reform. Left nearly two minutes of his time.

Bernie-Literally no supporter section, it was odd. Even Beto and Steve Bullock have people here. Also the only candidate with notes and a lectern. Not really much to say here, he just rapidly reaffirmed all of his major policy positions. He also gave a shout out to Beto for his gun policy position. Look for everyone to hit Pete hard on this at the next debate. If they're supporting Beto, it seems they're at odds with Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
15k whackjobs in Iowa.  Surprising . . . no, expected.

Your stupid ass would think there's only 15,000 Democratic voters in any given state.

In the arena dumbass.

You're so rough ridin' corny
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.

So they marketed to you based solely off facebook interaction?  or something else you filled out, you mentioned they have your email and phone # ?

That's it. When you commit attend one of these events, of course they have you fill out a form with your contact info. I'm pretty sure they all use the same database, Act Blue.

So you don't think they knew you were black from your facebook profile?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 01, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
15k whackjobs in Iowa.  Surprising . . . no, expected.

Your stupid ass would think there's only 15,000 Democratic voters in any given state.

In the arena dumbass.

You're so rough ridin' corny

Yeah, just 15k Libs in pseudo intellectual corn country.  FFS
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 01, 2019, 10:13:04 PM
Incred report MIR, thank you


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.

So they marketed to you based solely off facebook interaction?  or something else you filled out, you mentioned they have your email and phone # ?

That's it. When you commit attend one of these events, of course they have you fill out a form with your contact info. I'm pretty sure they all use the same database, Act Blue.

So you don't think they knew you were black from your facebook profile?

Do you know how Facebook works?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 01, 2019, 10:40:10 PM
:lol: at Biden/Booti  ticket, no black support for either which is probably why Booti's people invited MIR to sit with them.

There are a larger percentage of black people in this section than black people in Iowa. I was surprised too.

The Yang Gang are acting the damn fool. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire section gets thrown out. The speakers to this point, Iowa Democratic Party employees, have been boring as hell, but they keep interrupting. One dude just yelled "we don't give a damn!"

I think a detailed description of how you were selected to be  invited is in order.

They didn't know I am black. I liked all of the leading candidates on Facebook. There were several rallies in downtown Des Moines before this event and I listed that I would visit Pete's, Beto's, Bernie's, and Cory's rallies. Pete's campaign sent me roughly a billion emails and texts asking me to reserve a ticket, I got nothing from the other candidates. His ground game here is insane and I'm almost 100% sure that he's going to win the caucus.

So they marketed to you based solely off facebook interaction?  or something else you filled out, you mentioned they have your email and phone # ?

That's it. When you commit attend one of these events, of course they have you fill out a form with your contact info. I'm pretty sure they all use the same database, Act Blue.

So you don't think they knew you were black from your facebook profile?

Do you know how Facebook works?

I've never had an account (serious) cuz Russians (kidding) but I have seen profiles and they usually have pictures.  You said Booti didn't know you were black when he invited you, but you also said you interacted with the campaign on facebook.  So how do we know Booti didn't seek out every black person it could to personally invite to the event and sit in their section to give the appearance that they have large black support ? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 01, 2019, 10:58:13 PM
Return of the mack  :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 01, 2019, 11:22:33 PM
Goddamnit Beto, I'm supposed to see this dude speak tonight.

i wish he'd have given his speech anyways.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 01, 2019, 11:23:41 PM
HOW IS SYS DOING

i'm sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 01, 2019, 11:25:08 PM
President Pete has had this thing in the bag since the last dem debate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 11:36:33 PM
Bennett- First speaker after that insanely awful, boring, way too long "halftime." Poor bastard. There is no energy in this building. His voice is terrible, sounds like Beavis as a boomer. He is machine gunning policies. Nothing mind bending, also endorses medicare for most, has some kind of other phrase for it. Says he can have his plan in place in three years. First candidate to openly oppose Citizens United. Blah blah blah. The real question is will my battery survive.

Julian- Awesome name, totally forgot about him. So it's obvious these speakers are in "get to know me" mode, they're all just stuffing as many ideas as they can into 10 minutes. It's very hard to distinguish the people at the end of this. How did Klo and Booker end up on this gong show but Steyer was in the first half? Anyway, Castro has talked about immigration more than anyone else, but hasn't even thought about expressing anything close to a plan.

Klobuchar- God, something to break the monotony. Comes out with a Palin joke, pretty corny but I'll give her an A for her effort. She is laser focused on her supporters, hasn't spoken a word of policy and that's actually kind of refreshing. She's energizing her base. She is talking a ton about women and Trump. Talking about the march(es) the day after the inauguration and how they led to over 6000 women running for office. Every sentence is either women... or trump... She's wrapping up with policy & it's stuff that hasn't been mentioned by anyone else; rural broadband, minimum wage increase, something about the VA that I missed typing this. She was all style, very little substance, but that was perfect for this moment, 4 hours in this bitch. She had the Warren supporters as loud as they've been all night. Pains me to say it but she was great.

Booker-Even less policy than Klo. She went with fire, he went with inspiration. His speech was about a man he was close to who died and they greeted with each other with "I see you" and their last words to each other was "I love you." He is hell bent on making sure the party stays united, yep, he wants to be there vice president, he'd be a good choice too, especially for any of the three front runners (bot, liz, bern). He gave a shout out to ADoS, said he'd be the first descendant of slaves in the white house. Only candidate to get a standing ovation from all of the other supporters.

Also props to his and Klo's supporters for hanging in so long, they brought it.

John Delaney & Steve Bullock- I'm sorry, I can't  :blank: props to the small Bullock section though for having signs and shirts that say "Give Trump The Boot" and having foam fingers that are boots instead of #1 fingers. I don't think they thought that one out, doesn't help that they're seated next to Boot Edge Edge's huge sections.

Five rough ridin' hours, woof
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 11:40:37 PM
Goddamnit Beto, I'm supposed to see this dude speak tonight.

i wish he'd have given his speech anyways.

I'm sure you've seen this. I didn't know that he did this. Worth noting that several of his supporters stayed outside in the rain after this. Good man, and I'm gutted for his people. Chair of the Iowa Democrats got choked up when mentioning him tonight.

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1190397524768677893
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 01, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
President Pete has had this thing in the bag since the last dem debate

It felt like a movement in that arena. I saw a lot of very impressive things from the campaign tonight. I wonder what their ground game looks like in NH & SC.

The Bernie thing is completely perplexing because they had a huge rally before the event right outside of the convention center where most of the candidates were. I didn't see anything or anyone for Joe. Night night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 02, 2019, 12:10:07 AM
hadn't watched it until now.  apropos that the stream cuts off before the end.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2019, 01:31:50 AM



The Bernie thing is completely perplexing because they had a huge rally before the event right outside of the convention center where most of the candidates were. I didn't see anything or anyone for Joe. Night night.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1190497993004388353

:dunno:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2019, 02:49:20 AM



The Bernie thing is completely perplexing because they had a huge rally before the event right outside of the convention center where most of the candidates were. I didn't see anything or anyone for Joe. Night night.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1190497993004388353

:dunno:

Right on all accounts. If he sat with the media he'd have a better sense of who was louder. Appreciate the Sanders explanation, makes no sense why his campaign chose not to pay for the tickets though, that's some real broke boy crap. This is not an explanation for Joe though, their people just didn't show up. That huge section I showed all had Biden signs and party favors on that they had to pick up right before the event started.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2019, 02:54:01 AM
In all of the ruckus of the day, Liz released the financial details of her medicaid for all plan. And guess what? No middle class taxes in the plan! She pulled the damn thing off!

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/775339519/heres-how-warren-finds-20-5-trillion-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all

Quote
A letter from economists supporting the plan, provided by Warren's team, argued that these payment rates would work in part because doctors and hospitals would save substantially on administrative costs. Warren's team also says there would be ways to ensure that vulnerable hospitals, like those in rural areas, would get paid more, so they could stay in business.

Quote
This plan goes further: Middle-class Americans would no longer pay health premiums or copays and would also not pay new taxes to replace those costs. They would, however, pay taxes on whatever additional take-home pay they would receive from this plan. That would add $1.4 trillion in revenue, her team estimates.

This is a departure from Bernie Sanders' ideas about how to fund Medicare for All. One of his options is a 4% tax on families earning more than $29,000. At the Democrats' October debate, he explained that taxes would go up for many Americans under his plan.

There are numbers in this plan that can absolutely be questioned but the same can be said for every large scale plan ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 02, 2019, 05:07:28 AM
BotEdgeEdge / Yang 2020!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 02, 2019, 07:22:00 AM

Pete- Dynamic speaker, had the entire audience in the palm of his hand, even got the Yang Gang to behave. I said it before but he's going to win this caucus and if he can make any headway, at all, with my brothas and sistas, he's going to win the whole damn thing. He speaks to everyone and he's going to pull progressives, he already has.

Re-Posting for MIR
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Pete might not win this round, but from the first time I was exposed to him I knew that he would eventually be president. It was like seeing Obama for the first time at the '04 convention, he just connects with people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 02, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
Pete might not win this round, but from the first time I was exposed to him I knew that he would eventually be president. It was like seeing Obama for the first time at the '04 convention, he just connects with people.
He is a pro, for sure. Never gets rattled.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
Pete might not win this round, but from the first time I was exposed to him I knew that he would eventually be president. It was like seeing Obama for the first time at the '04 convention, he just connects with people.

plus he's kind of a phony like Obama!

 :Pirate:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2019, 12:24:57 PM
 :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 02, 2019, 12:36:43 PM
Mayo Pete has the mild flavors I crave


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 02, 2019, 02:10:48 PM
Black guy out of the way, so now America will go gay guy. 20 years down the road America might finally be ready to elect a female president. We definitely aren’t there yet. I hope he’s just going middle of the road until he wins the presidency and then is all psych and oh btw this is my hubs and you are going to be seeing a lot of him the next 8 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 02, 2019, 11:23:24 PM
Please please nominate Mayor Pete.  Trump would get 50% of the black vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 03, 2019, 01:07:19 PM
with the caveat that the rcp average is garbage and 538 needs to hurry up and release their average.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1191054379589214209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 03, 2019, 01:56:02 PM
with the caveat that the rcp average is garbage and 538 needs to hurry up and release their average.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1191054379589214209
Sys who are you hitching your wagon to now
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 03, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
outside of beto, they're all crap.

i'll probably still vote for beto.  of those that i think still have a chance, i'd probably be happier if biden or harris won than anyone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 03, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
These guys or teams you root for always seem to lose or fail.  Maybe you should root for Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2019, 09:16:52 PM
Please please nominate Mayor Pete.  Trump would get 50% of the black vote.

The thing with these MAGAs is they think we're rough ridin' stupid. This dude really thinks that black people that hate the gays "as if there aren't 10x as many crackers who hate gay people," are going to vote for a supremacist instead. The black people who don't like Pete will do the same thing the as black people who didn't like Hillary, stay the eff home. Although I guarantee you whomever the Democratic is will get more black votes that Hillary did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2019, 09:18:03 PM
with the caveat that the rcp average is garbage and 538 needs to hurry up and release their average.

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1191054379589214209

LOL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 03, 2019, 09:38:08 PM
outside of beto, they're all crap.

i'll probably still vote for beto.  of those that i think still have a chance, i'd probably be happier if biden or harris won than anyone else.

Your vote doesn't matter for jack crap so it isn't a big deal at all, but holy eff is this dumb. I mean voting for Beto is fine, I voted for Jill Stein, twice so I'm not going to crap in your kitchen. However, Joe Biden as a fall back? Do you believe in any political stance that Beto took? Does Biden and Beto have a shared vision on any expressed stance? Are you just trolling? Please make sense of this, because I don't get it at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 03, 2019, 09:47:45 PM
Joe Biden as a fall back? Do you believe in any political stance that Beto took? Does Biden and Beto have a shared vision on any expressed stance? Are you just trolling? Please make sense of this, because I don't get it at all.

i despise warren, i detest buttigieg.  sanders i don't personally dislike, but i think his ideology and diagnosis of american societal ills are very wrong.

if klobuchar or booker or harris or someone jumps up to a point where my vote might conceivably matter in helping them defeat any of the above, i'll probably vote for them.  if things continue along current trajectories, i'll vote for beto and hope biden wins because he's not warren, buttigieg or sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2019, 03:07:08 AM
Sorry, that answer makes no sense at all. If policy positions doesn't matter to you why have you spent six months convincing us that Beto was on the right side of every issue we've discussed? You were literally advocating for an unspectacular white man in an ill fitting suit. Was there something about his personality that was so unique from everyone else? Booker, Klokuchar, and Harris have polled along side of or ahead of Beto literally the entire race, why wait to jump on, their candidacies are just as hopeless as Beto's was. You cared so little about what he stood for that you seemingly won't vote for who he's inevitably going to endorse. What was the point of all of this?

This is more combative than I'm intending it to, it's confounding to me, I don't get it to the point of frustration.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 04, 2019, 06:38:52 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1191312403499225088
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 04, 2019, 06:40:53 AM
Good to remember that only around 6 states matter at all


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
LOL @ Bernie Bros

https://twitter.com/Becca2400/status/1191353248353071104?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 04, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
The gay Democratic mayor from South Bend, IN:  Just too conservative for LibBot Nation  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1191312403499225088

Looks like Joe would beat him like a drum.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2019, 08:29:52 AM
Good to remember that only around 6 states matter at all


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And those mong states are biden/trump fans. Insane
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 04, 2019, 11:02:34 AM
wonder how pete would've faired
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 04, 2019, 11:04:29 AM
also, half of those states are big10 states and pete's a hoosier. that can't hurt.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
I didn't realize Arizona and North Carolina were closer than Ohio
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 04, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
Sorry, that answer makes no sense at all. If policy positions doesn't matter to you why have you spent six months convincing us that Beto was on the right side of every issue we've discussed? You were literally advocating for an unspectacular white man in an ill fitting suit. Was there something about his personality that was so unique from everyone else? Booker, Klokuchar, and Harris have polled along side of or ahead of Beto literally the entire race, why wait to jump on, their candidacies are just as hopeless as Beto's was. You cared so little about what he stood for that you seemingly won't vote for who he's inevitably going to endorse. What was the point of all of this?

This is more combative than I'm intending it to, it's confounding to me, I don't get it to the point of frustration.

i'll try to unpack (but not in the order you posed the questions or identified what you view as inconsistencies).

1.  i don't think beto will endorse anyone in the primary.  it would surprise me greatly if he did.
2.  i didn't agree with all of beto's policies.  i also don't think the differences between most of his policies and those of most other candidates are all that great, in general there is widespread consensus on policy between the candidates.
3.  i don't think i spent the last six months arguing for beto's policies here.  in fact, after you convinced me, probably in late april or may or so, that arguing for him was at best futile, at worst counterproductive, i think i've done very little of that.
4.  i did very much agree with his policy priorities, at least as i saw them.  that was somewhat less true after the el paso massacre when gun violence became a higher priority to him than it had been previously, but by then i was already completely bought in and he still was more focused on areas of concern to me than other candidates, so it didn't really matter.
5.  yes, of course, i found him to be unique in terms of personality.  honestly, that undersells it significantly.


6.  re. my voting choice and my rooting choice.  i tried to express in my last answer that if any one of the candidates that i perceive as more moderate than sanders/warren and that isn't buttigieg is in a position that my vote might conceivably matter to their chances of winning, i would probably vote for them.  i didn't mention biden among them, but i should have since he seems right now to be the most likely to be in that position.  if not, and my vote is purely expressive, i'll probably still vote for beto.

who i hope will win is a different question, beto has been eliminated from that consideration because while it is still possible for me to vote for him, it is not possible for him to win.  right now, i don't know if any of the non-biden moderates will emerge to have a chance at winning.  in my original response to michigancat, i mentioned biden and harris, i mentioned those two chiefly because they seemed to me to be the two with the best chances of winning (since then polling has not been kind to harris, but i haven't really thought about it enough to form an opinion about if her chances have deteriorated such to force her from 2nd on that list), not because i find them significantly better than say booker or klobuchar.  i haven't really cared enough about any of them to put any thought into which of them i like or dislike minutely more than the others.  as i said originally, compared to beto, they're all crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 04, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
wonder how pete would've faired

worse than warren, but with many more undecided.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: KSURFC8 on November 04, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
As long as we have almost statistical full employment, record low unemployment (or employment, depending on how you want to look at it) for blacks, Asians, latinos and almost any other minority, inflation remains low, wages keep increasing and we're not engaged in and in-fact have disengaged from the endless "wars", the Democrats don't stand a chance in Hell of winning. Particularly on a platform that wants an incredibly huge takeover of the private sector by the Federal Government.

Once the GOP starts hammering at what the Dems "Medicare for All" will actually cost to the average American, given that most, if not all of the above remains true and if the Democrats in Congress persist in the nonsensical impeachment process, they'll not only lose the WH but Congress as well.

For a long time to come as well. It'd be damn good riddance to.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 04, 2019, 04:12:09 PM
Team Pete!!!

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1191447217145602060?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 04, 2019, 04:26:41 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 04, 2019, 04:27:08 PM
OMG.....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2019, 04:48:22 PM
 :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Sorry, that answer makes no sense at all. If policy positions doesn't matter to you why have you spent six months convincing us that Beto was on the right side of every issue we've discussed? You were literally advocating for an unspectacular white man in an ill fitting suit. Was there something about his personality that was so unique from everyone else? Booker, Klokuchar, and Harris have polled along side of or ahead of Beto literally the entire race, why wait to jump on, their candidacies are just as hopeless as Beto's was. You cared so little about what he stood for that you seemingly won't vote for who he's inevitably going to endorse. What was the point of all of this?

This is more combative than I'm intending it to, it's confounding to me, I don't get it to the point of frustration.

i'll try to unpack (but not in the order you posed the questions or identified what you view as inconsistencies).

1.  i don't think beto will endorse anyone in the primary.  it would surprise me greatly if he did.
2.  i didn't agree with all of beto's policies.  i also don't think the differences between most of his policies and those of most other candidates are all that great, in general there is widespread consensus on policy between the candidates.
3.  i don't think i spent the last six months arguing for beto's policies here.  in fact, after you convinced me, probably in late april or may or so, that arguing for him was at best futile, at worst counterproductive, i think i've done very little of that.
4.  i did very much agree with his policy priorities, at least as i saw them.  that was somewhat less true after the el paso massacre when gun violence became a higher priority to him than it had been previously, but by then i was already completely bought in and he still was more focused on areas of concern to me than other candidates, so it didn't really matter.
5.  yes, of course, i found him to be unique in terms of personality.  honestly, that undersells it significantly.


6.  re. my voting choice and my rooting choice.  i tried to express in my last answer that if any one of the candidates that i perceive as more moderate than sanders/warren and that isn't buttigieg is in a position that my vote might conceivably matter to their chances of winning, i would probably vote for them.  i didn't mention biden among them, but i should have since he seems right now to be the most likely to be in that position.  if not, and my vote is purely expressive, i'll probably still vote for beto.

who i hope will win is a different question, beto has been eliminated from that consideration because while it is still possible for me to vote for him, it is not possible for him to win.  right now, i don't know if any of the non-biden moderates will emerge to have a chance at winning.  in my original response to michigancat, i mentioned biden and harris, i mentioned those two chiefly because they seemed to me to be the two with the best chances of winning (since then polling has not been kind to harris, but i haven't really thought about it enough to form an opinion about if her chances have deteriorated such to force her from 2nd on that list), not because i find them significantly better than say booker or klobuchar.  i haven't really cared enough about any of them to put any thought into which of them i like or dislike minutely more than the others.  as i said originally, compared to beto, they're all crap.

Thanks sys, I respect your answer. Two things.
1. You mentioned a bit of a disconnect with Beto after the El Paso shooting. Did you disagree with his forced buyback plan?
2. Is your issue with Pete that he's a candidate made in a lab?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
As long as we have almost statistical full employment, record low unemployment (or employment, depending on how you want to look at it) for blacks, Asians, latinos and almost any other minority, inflation remains low, wages keep increasing and we're not engaged in and in-fact have disengaged from the endless "wars", the Democrats don't stand a chance in Hell of winning. Particularly on a platform that wants an incredibly huge takeover of the private sector by the Federal Government.

Once the GOP starts hammering at what the Dems "Medicare for All" will actually cost to the average American, given that most, if not all of the above remains true and if the Democrats in Congress persist in the nonsensical impeachment process, they'll not only lose the WH but Congress as well.

For a long time to come as well. It'd be damn good riddance to.

Why does MAGA always talk about black and latinx unemployment as if there has been any specific policy from this administration that led to the rate. They've been bragging about this since April of 2017. Also wtf is with "low wages keep increasing?" The Trump administration and supporters have actively worked to keep federal minimum wage at $7.25, the longest we've gone without a hike in American history and one of the smallest out of all of the countries with a developed economy. Finally what endless war did this administration get us out of?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2019, 05:14:55 PM
Team Pete!!!

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1191447217145602060?s=20

LOL, there are corny white people doing stuff like this on every campaign.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 04, 2019, 06:23:29 PM
Thanks sys, I respect your answer. Two things.
1. You mentioned a bit of a disconnect with Beto after the El Paso shooting. Did you disagree with his forced buyback plan?
2. Is your issue with Pete that he's a candidate made in a lab?

no, i'm fine with mandatory buybacks as policy, it just isn't an issue that is very high on my list of priorities.  the process by which he determined to pursue it and the way in which he argued for it demonstrated many of the things that i liked about beto, so i liked it as a showcase for beto, but as pure policy i don't really care one way or the other.

yes.  i think he is a narcissist with no core convictions other than personal ambition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 04, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1191532995204780032
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
I don't know about that, she goes on in the replies to acknowledge some flaws in the data, which I really appreciate, but thanks for bringing this person into my conscious. This tweet is wild

https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1191520378625122305
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 04, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
yeah, she's a good follow.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 05, 2019, 04:21:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Cmkahn/status/1191773853623693312
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2019, 10:58:18 AM
:emawkid:

https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1192120051614277633?s=19

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 06, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Hey drew, stick to sports
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
What an insufferable prick.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 06, 2019, 12:30:13 PM
Love that. He's right.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
Love that. He's right.
Plus while I agree with him, I think I'd appreciate the writing even if I were a Midwestern Republican enamored by Pete's aw-shucks demeanor and not-trumpness
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 06, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
Mayor Pete:  Just not Commie enough for LibBot Nation

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 06, 2019, 04:33:08 PM
What an insufferable prick.
I’ve long held this view on Magary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Tobias on November 06, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
Hey drew, stick to sports

:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 06, 2019, 04:56:40 PM
Pete has never struck me as “aw shucks”-y
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 06, 2019, 08:32:17 PM
he really is such a piece of crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2019, 08:40:18 PM
Sys, please explain what makes Mayo Pete "a piece of crap." On a related note, kindly go eff yourself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 06, 2019, 08:43:03 PM
i just did like yesterday.  you can also read the oh hey eff pete article for other ideas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 06, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
a shorter list would be his human-like/positive qualities.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
Methinks you're both homophobes. Sad, but not unexpected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 06, 2019, 09:08:54 PM
Seems like people resent Pete for being a moderate gay. Like he has an obligation to be uber liberal because he’s a homosexual.

It will be hard to win the general election just being gay and impossible to win being super liberal and gay.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 06, 2019, 09:59:13 PM
Seems like they question his character as a person. Like he's there to fulfill himself egotisticallly and not to help people and be a civil servant. :dunno:

We're critiquing politicians for this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 06, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Bland centrist  :lol:    :peek: sd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 06, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
Seems like they question his character as a person. Like he's there to fulfill himself egotisticallly and not to help people and be a civil servant. :dunno:

That level of understanding of him as a person is an interesting to get to, one of the articles linked in the tweet explains some of that thought process through Pete's book.
You must have read a different link than I did. The one I read just proclaimed that Pete was boring and naive to think Americans will ever be able get along with people with differing ideologies.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2019, 12:31:46 AM
in all sincerity, I don't know where Pete differs from Trump when it comes to policy positions. He's definitely a better, more respectable person, but that's a pretty low bar.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 12:56:42 AM
Pete has never struck me as “aw shucks”-y

Oh, he's very aw shucks-y but it's definitely in a pandering manner. He doesn't do it when he's speaking to a national audience but he sure as eff does it to Midwestern and Rust Belt audiences.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 12:58:11 AM
Sys, please explain what makes Mayo Pete "a piece of crap." On a related note, kindly go eff yourself.

LOL, of course this is spracne's horse
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 01:13:05 AM
Seems like people resent Pete for being a moderate gay. Like he has an obligation to be uber liberal because he’s a homosexual.

It will be hard to win the general election just being gay and impossible to win being super liberal and gay.


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This is one of the most insincere things I've ever read on gE. It's insincere because you know it's 100% bullshit, the issues with Pete has been discussed ad naseum on here. I thought Magary also did a great job describing Pete, he's Obama 2.0. You know the guy who had the chance to make transformative change with our health care but he wasted the two years of the majority he had trying to build a bipartisan consensus that was never going to exist, now were stuck with half assed Obamacare.

I'll vote for him when he inevitably wins the nomination, so will Magary, Rusty, and Kat Kid, but it's more than fair to critique him for being a presidential social experiment who has gotten to #2 in the polls without actually taking any policy stance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2019, 01:16:16 AM
Seems like people resent Pete for being a moderate gay. Like he has an obligation to be uber liberal because he’s a homosexual.

It will be hard to win the general election just being gay and impossible to win being super liberal and gay.


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This is one of the most insincere things I've ever read on gE. It's insincere because you know it's 100% bullshit, the issues with Pete has been discussed ad naseum on here. I thought Magary also did a great job describing Pete, he's Obama 2.0. You know the guy who had the chance to make transformative change with our health care but he wasted the two years of the majority he had trying to build a bipartisan consensus that was never going to exist, now were stuck with half assed Obamacare.


I think many of the folks that like him here like him specifically because he won't do anything (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2019, 01:16:23 AM
Sys, please explain what makes Mayo Pete "a piece of crap." On a related note, kindly go eff yourself.

LOL, of course this is spracne's horse
He's everything I'm looking for. Gay. Democrat. White. Etc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 01:23:02 AM
in all sincerity, I don't know where Pete differs from Trump when it comes to policy positions. He's definitely a better, more respectable person, but that's a pretty low bar.

There's some good stuff here, I really like the 21st Century Voting Rights Act, a shame we need another one. The programmers, sorry democratic machine, sees it best that he remains a "moderate" and not advocate for any of these ideas publicly. Honestly, I don't know if any of these are moderate positions, he'll govern from the same place the that Obama, Clinton, and Bush x2 did, won't do crap to shake the tree and actually break up the machine, he's a creation of that machine.

https://peteforamerica.com/issues/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 01:28:56 AM
Seems like people resent Pete for being a moderate gay. Like he has an obligation to be uber liberal because he’s a homosexual.

It will be hard to win the general election just being gay and impossible to win being super liberal and gay.


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This is one of the most insincere things I've ever read on gE. It's insincere because you know it's 100% bullshit, the issues with Pete has been discussed ad naseum on here. I thought Magary also did a great job describing Pete, he's Obama 2.0. You know the guy who had the chance to make transformative change with our health care but he wasted the two years of the majority he had trying to build a bipartisan consensus that was never going to exist, now were stuck with half assed Obamacare.


I think many of the folks that like him here like him specifically because he won't do anything (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

That's exactly what I was about to say to Spracne. Buttigieg is the safest bet to maintain the status quo. You're comfortable and really don't give a eff about the changes needed to this country, vote for the consensus builder.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 01:32:11 AM
Also for those on tilt about the Magary article, if he sticks to what his deal was on deadspin, one of these will be coming for Liz, Bernie, and Joe. Maybe not Joe, he may be done after South Carolina, let's go with Klobuchar.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2019, 06:05:16 AM
As a moderate who has literal hate crimes committed against me 24/7/365 for not being either MAGA or a tankie I can confirm that Pete is #myguy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 07, 2019, 08:03:30 AM
Seems like people resent Pete for being a moderate gay. Like he has an obligation to be uber liberal because he’s a homosexual.

It will be hard to win the general election just being gay and impossible to win being super liberal and gay.


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This is one of the most insincere things I've ever read on gE. It's insincere because you know it's 100% bullshit, the issues with Pete has been discussed ad naseum on here. I thought Magary also did a great job describing Pete, he's Obama 2.0. You know the guy who had the chance to make transformative change with our health care but he wasted the two years of the majority he had trying to build a bipartisan consensus that was never going to exist, now were stuck with half assed Obamacare.

I'll vote for him when he inevitably wins the nomination, so will Magary, Rusty, and Kat Kid, but it's more than fair to critique him for being a presidential social experiment who has gotten to #2 in the polls without actually taking any policy stance.

I think Medicare For All will eff more crap up than it will fix. My parents are on Medicare it basically covers the bare minimum. So much that my parents drive 2 hours to Topeka twice a month so my dad can go to the VA.  That said, I don't think of the candidates who support M4A as pieces of crap and I will absolutely pull the lever for Sanders or Warren over Trump.

Is Pete pandering to a certain voter? Yes. Are all the candidates pandering to a certain voter? Again, yes.  Does that make them all pieces of crap, or just Pete?

I think Obama tried and failed in his first 2 years in office to make this country less divisive.  I think he had the best of intentions but he underestimated the GOPs ability to rally the troops against any and everything he wanted to do.  As a result, he made concessions in the ACA that he didn't have to make and mumped it up.

I think taking back the Senate should be the primary focus of the Democrats in 2020. Mitch McConnell has done way more damage to this country than Trump has.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 08:29:39 AM
I'll speak for myself and not others but I have zero issue with anyone who supports BotEdgeEdge, frankly he's the best moderate choice depending or not if you count Booker as a moderate. However, for me I think it's time for a generational political change; FDR, Kennedy, Nixon, Regan... Politically we've been in the same place for 40 years and it's been 60 since we've moved significantly left and it shows as I think many civil rights have devolved. Aside from Trump's embarrassing and criminal behavior, I don't even think what little governance he's done has moved us significantly more to the right of where we've been before he was elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 07, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
Pete scratches my moderate itch for sure. I agree he probably isn’t going to do much to compel the Dems to action, but if they did win a majority in the house and senate, Pete would do a great job of shepherding some pretty common sense reforms including the Public option.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
Yeah, if the Dems win the Senate, I want Pete in the Executive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 07, 2019, 12:33:46 PM
Mayor Pete:  Just not whackadoo enough for LibBot Nation
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on November 07, 2019, 12:51:19 PM
Pete has never struck me as “aw shucks”-y

Oh, he's very aw shucks-y but it's definitely in a pandering manner. He doesn't do it when he's speaking to a national audience but he sure as eff does it to Midwestern and Rust Belt audiences.

Classic narcissistic behavior.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 07, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.

i don't even think their unrealistic, pie in the sky, no chance in hell of passing policy proposals are that different for that matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 07, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.

i don't even think their unrealistic, pie in the sky, no chance in hell of passing policy proposals are that different for that matter.

Yes, this is why I care very little about specific policies as long as the discussion keeps pushing left. A good communicator is far more important than the perfect policy position.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 07, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.

i don't even think their unrealistic, pie in the sky, no chance in hell of passing policy proposals are that different for that matter.

I think people wildly underestimate the power of organized labor, even in its current weakened state.  My evidence?  Teacher strikes.  Bernie is the only one that has the possibility of wielding it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 07, 2019, 02:52:33 PM
i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.
Yep. This is even more true if you think that Pete doesn’t care about the policies and just wants power (not my view, but still).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 07, 2019, 05:04:46 PM
bloomberg, what r u doing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 07, 2019, 05:16:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonAbbruzzese/status/1192568990423347201
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2019, 05:41:04 PM
I’m hornt for this moderate energy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2019, 05:53:01 PM


i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.

i don't even think their unrealistic, pie in the sky, no chance in hell of passing policy proposals are that different for that matter.

Yes, this is why I care very little about specific policies as long as the discussion keeps pushing left. A good communicator is far more important than the perfect policy position.

Pete doesn't push the conversation left. Even if Sanders never actually enacts any of his policies (which I think is what sys is implying) he's at least brought M4A to the top of the Democratic agenda which is a positive that Pete is actively fighting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 06:27:05 PM
bloomberg, what r u doing?

Giving Liz a waltz to the nomination  :love: thank goodness for uncontrolled ego
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
i don't agree with the buttigieg = status quo, sanders/warren = radical change, btw.  they're all going to deliver the exact same amount of radical change (if everything goes absolutely perfectly for dems) and that is however much radical change manchin and sinema agree is desirable.

i don't even think their unrealistic, pie in the sky, no chance in hell of passing policy proposals are that different for that matter.

Sure, but I'll be damned if I'm just going to roll over and accept this as fact. There is extreme racial and economic inequity in this country, are we just supposed to say oh well and not give a eff? Must be nice to have that ability.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 07, 2019, 06:57:37 PM
Mike registers for Bama primary.  Chairman Xi perks up

https://twitter.com/eddiezipperer/status/1192585604854374403?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on November 07, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
ChiCom Joe has some competition!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2019, 08:50:09 AM
Multiple MSM news outlets were pretty damn  :pray: :pray: :crossfingers: :crossfingers: :Woohoo: :Woohoo: at the prospect of one of Wall Street's favorite sons entering the race, and possibly unseating one of the socialist whackjobs.

Chairman Xi has called a meeting . . .
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190?s=20

But he'll have a (D) next to his name and that's all that matters for the vast majority of LibBot Nation.

Sounds like a real bomb droppin kind of guy.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 08, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Gross
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2019, 09:01:35 AM
https://twitter.com/trillburne/status/1192612755292880897


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
T&P's utterly disenfranchised resident LibBots.   :frown:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2019, 10:06:23 AM
https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1192832049754857473


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on November 08, 2019, 10:11:02 AM
so trump's hair has actually improved since 2008
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
It's almost like a classic rock tune lyric is being revisited in that pic
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2019, 12:27:00 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190?s=20

But he'll have a (D) next to his name and that's all that matters for the vast majority of LibBot Nation.

Sounds like a real bomb droppin kind of guy.

I know you're a moron with literal, crap for brains,  but you can't think this guy has any shot at the nomination at all. I can't see anyone supporting this dude other than the trump dems who hate bitches and the gays.

The hilarious irony of Bloomberg and his logic is that he didn't get in because Joe did and he thought he'd be the candidate America needs, lol. Now Joe is getting his face kicked in and Bloomie wants to jump in, not understanding that he's only going to take votes from ChiCom Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 08, 2019, 12:40:04 PM
I’m not sure anyone hates Bloomberg more right now than Dems...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190?s=20

But he'll have a (D) next to his name and that's all that matters for the vast majority of LibBot Nation.

Sounds like a real bomb droppin kind of guy.

I know you're a moron with literal, crap for brains,  but you can't think this guy has any shot at the nomination at all. I can't see anyone supporting this dude other than the trump dems who hate bitches and the gays.

The hilarious irony of Bloomberg and his logic is that he didn't get in because Joe did and he thought he'd be the candidate America needs, lol. Now Joe is getting his face kicked in and Bloomie wants to jump in, not understanding that he's only going to take votes from ChiCom Joe.

Quit being a complete dumbass all the time and actually try and figure out both this board and what's going on out there.

Thanks also for all your usual Captain Obvious points.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 08, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
He was just kidding mir
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 08, 2019, 01:33:27 PM
https://twitter.com/stephanie_murr/status/1192883747902906368
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 08, 2019, 06:11:57 PM
He was just kidding mir

Yeah, of course. How could I miss that, with dax's biting wit and all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2019, 08:30:57 PM
https://twitter.com/trillburne/status/1192612755292880897


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crap, we already got one!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
Damn, no crap?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on November 08, 2019, 10:36:42 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/federicca/status/1192593117708509190?s=20

But he'll have a (D) next to his name and that's all that matters for the vast majority of LibBot Nation.

Sounds like a real bomb droppin kind of guy.

I know you're a moron with literal, crap for brains,  but you can't think this guy has any shot at the nomination at all. I can't see anyone supporting this dude other than the trump dems who hate bitches and the gays.

The hilarious irony of Bloomberg and his logic is that he didn't get in because Joe did and he thought he'd be the candidate America needs, lol. Now Joe is getting his face kicked in and Bloomie wants to jump in, not understanding that he's only going to take votes from ChiCom Joe.

Quit being a complete dumbass all the time and actually try and figure out both this board and what's going on out there.

Thanks also for all your usual Captain Obvious points.
I believe this would be what we call a tapout.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on November 11, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
nothing gets by katdaddy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 11, 2019, 03:39:06 PM
great work, hilry.

https://twitter.com/TrackerDebate/status/1193996799952007169
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 11, 2019, 04:38:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1194017445348093952

Sys, do we like him?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 11, 2019, 06:09:48 PM
i like him, but i don't think a large % of the dem electorate would.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on November 11, 2019, 06:49:36 PM
I'd say roughly 99.9% of America has never heard of that guy and also don't give a crap if he runs or not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2019, 02:00:02 AM
eff Deval. I lived in Massachusetts when he was the governor, he's a happy and willing cog in the machine. He's been working for Bain Capital and he thinks that's a path to the white house, as a democrat?  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2019, 02:05:52 AM
I've been sitting on this for a couple of days, but I'm 100% Team Warren. I read a couple of articles over the weekend that makes me feel as good about her than anyone I've ever primaried/caucused for, including Bernie in '16, who I still love. Anyway here's the first one.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/08/elizabeth-warren-campaign-067768

I'm not sure the take away from this article is Warren's campaign strategy, or just how selfish and petty Joe Biden is. The dude will do whatever it takes to get back to the white house, doesn't give a crap about what potential damage he could to do the party. I hate him and can't wait until he's gone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2019, 02:12:38 AM
The second article was referenced in the first, I love that she literally made the dude getting rich off of student loans cry on television.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/05/billionaire_hedge-fund_manager_leon_cooperman_cries_over_prospect_of_trump-warren_election_i_care.html

She's fighting the right fights. I also love the wealth tax and that she's actually putting the math out there for all to see. It's too bad that most voters won't see it though.

There are literally less than 650 billionaires in this country, however those 630 or so billionaires will absolutely come at her head and because the power in this country is so consolidated around these so few men, it will feel like she's pulling against the weight of the entire country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 12, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
eff Deval. I lived in Massachusetts when he was the governor, he's a happy and willing cog in the machine. He's been working for Bain Capital and he thinks that's a path to the white house, as a democrat?  :ROFL:

your candidate has mentioned patrick as someone she'd consider for her cabinet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 12, 2019, 12:31:11 PM
Just as long as he’s a happy cog in the right machine.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 12, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
eff Deval. I lived in Massachusetts when he was the governor, he's a happy and willing cog in the machine. He's been working for Bain Capital and he thinks that's a path to the white house, as a democrat?  :ROFL:

your candidate has mentioned patrick as someone she'd consider for her cabinet.

It would be pretty tough to have an administration completely comprised of progressives. If she makes it to the point where she's picking a VP, I'm guessing she'll pick Booker or the Police.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 14, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2019, 08:07:47 AM
Liz Warren:  Soccer Grandma and Queen of Class Warfare

Can't wait, a fantastic 4 years of BBS'ing awaits

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 14, 2019, 01:08:00 PM
I'm out, I wouldn't post about her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2019, 02:03:34 PM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.

I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2019, 02:04:26 PM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.

I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

You would get all my votes MIR
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2019, 02:09:39 PM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.

I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

You would get all my votes MIR

I'd run on a platform of enslaving all southern whites in lieu of reparations for ados. It's my 40 crackers and a pickup plan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on November 14, 2019, 02:11:25 PM
i would voter fraud so hard for you
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 14, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Here's a theory on Patrick.

https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1195015989139783680
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2019, 02:50:15 PM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.

I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

You would get all my votes MIR

I'd run on a platform of enslaving all southern whites in lieu of reparations for ados. It's my 40 crackers and a pickup plan.

I'd just use my MIR pass and wave myself through.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 14, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
I would vote for MIR in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2019, 03:28:01 PM
Here's a theory on Patrick.

https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1195015989139783680

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/26gsq8fim9nnlRUgU/giphy.gif?cid=790b76116d9e0f920deb739c0ed6e0b249ab9b26e7fde0a2&rid=giphy.gif)
Who does he plan on swaying (see what I did there) by doing that? That has been the playbook for Pete and Biden since August. No one knows or cares about Patrick, nor is there some strong desire for a Bain Capital insider lead this party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2019, 03:40:45 PM
now all we need is a BCG candidate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 14, 2019, 05:48:27 PM
i hope patrick can get some traction.  it'd be fantastic if he could shake this race out off of the current trajectory.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 14, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

i can't pretend to know what patrick is thinking, but my guess would be that he assumed that somone, or several someones, from amongst the younger cohort of candidates would have emerged to topple, or at least challenge, biden's spot as the leader by now.

re. buttigieg, i'd guess that patrick sees him as someone that would need a set of very strange circumstances to secure the nomination and should he somehow do that, someone who would be a dangerously weak candidate in the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

i can't pretend to know what patrick is thinking, but my guess would be that he assumed that somone, or several someones, from amongst the younger cohort of candidates would have emerged to topple, or at least challenge, biden's spot as the leader by now.

re. buttigieg, i'd guess that patrick sees him as someone that would need a set of very strange circumstances to secure the nomination and should he somehow do that, someone who would be a dangerously weak candidate in the general.

Pete would be much stronger in the general than Deval Patrick would be. I know that wasn't your personal sentiment, but if he and his advisers think that, it's laughable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 15, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
yeah, no way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 15, 2019, 07:46:11 PM
Deval Patrick.  These guys are delusional.

I just don't understand the thought process. Did they really think that Joe Biden was going to run away with the nomination three months before the first caucus? Do they hate Pete that much? Pete is the only variable of this equation that has changed since last spring. Deval Patrick is exactly like Pete if he weren't a war veteran and a gay white guy from the rust belt. Patrick has less mass appeal than I would if I ran for president.

You would get all my votes MIR

I'd run on a platform of enslaving all southern whites in lieu of reparations for ados. It's my 40 crackers and a pickup plan.

Could I be one of the crackers; I already got a pickup.  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 15, 2019, 11:37:31 PM
buttigieg is fortunate this came out on a day the media was focused on impeachment stuff.

https://twitter.com/SaintMystic/status/1195571433549811712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 15, 2019, 11:46:03 PM
lmao, need some more McKinsey guys to throw their tie over their shoulders on this son of a bitch.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 17, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
two different polls, so i won't link them, but buttigieg got 25% (1st) and 21% (3rd, but the coleaders were only at 22%) in two recent iowa polls.  3% with black voters in early states (first 4 plus super tuesday states).

fascinating.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 17, 2019, 02:22:57 PM
sys, are you putting all of your beto energy into destroying pete now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 17, 2019, 03:29:21 PM
sys, are you putting all of your beto energy into destroying pete now?

i'm equally committed to destroying warren.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
buttigieg is fortunate this came out on a day the media was focused on impeachment stuff.

https://twitter.com/SaintMystic/status/1195571433549811712

That's absolutely ridiculous but people don't give two shits about stuff like that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2019, 04:09:21 PM
Where do we discuss Obama Obamaing because his boy is getting his brains beat in but liberals are acting like  :surprised: and :nono: because they didn't pay the least bit attention to how he governed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 17, 2019, 04:16:56 PM
Where do we discuss Obama Obamaing because his boy is getting his brains beat in

cbs polls today were pretty damn good for biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 17, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1195867021038120962

 :Ugh:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 17, 2019, 09:03:15 PM
posted without comment.

https://twitter.com/Chas10Buttigieg/status/1196142077442220032
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2019, 06:24:01 AM
Post in fatty4ksu minority Pete/Mandy Moore fans Facebook page with an ms paint arrow pointing at the Indian guy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 18, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
Joe is a dumbass.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1196412252699664384?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2019, 10:05:36 AM
Joe saw reefer madness as a child
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2019, 10:58:26 AM
Not even a moderate position. Just being an old.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2019, 11:41:49 AM
https://twitter.com/LizMcLeod/status/1196141121660952576?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 18, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2019, 12:05:30 PM
I love it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
Beautiful
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 18, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
https://twitter.com/LizMcLeod/status/1196141121660952576?s=19

Personally, I think "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" would have been a better campaign song from Panic!.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2019, 01:23:18 PM
If they did that while I was at the Liberty and Justice Dinner, I would have immediately left the section, no bull crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 18, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1196520899761115136

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1196522015815094273
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on November 18, 2019, 05:01:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1196520899761115136

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1196522015815094273


OMG
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2019, 05:48:49 PM
I'm not a supporter but I don't find the humor in the lack of support from African Americans as funny as you all do. It's the biggest issue within our community that we have all of the power to fix. This dude is an absolute political clone of Barack Obama. I'll remind everyone that Obama didn't favor gay marriage until he was elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 18, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
I'm not a supporter but I don't find the humor in the lack of support from African Americans as funny as you all do. It's the biggest issue within our community that we have all of the power to fix. This dude is an absolute political clone of Barack Obama. I'll remind everyone that Obama didn't favor gay marriage until he was elected.
I think the lack of support and sloppy Douglass plan rollout/lying about black supporters is pretty telling and sad but I also found those two tweets side by side to be pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 18, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
I'm not a supporter but I don't find the humor in the lack of support from African Americans as funny as you all do. It's the biggest issue within our community that we have all of the power to fix. This dude is an absolute political clone of Barack Obama. I'll remind everyone that Obama didn't favor gay marriage until he was elected.

it's funny because it means he's mumped.  and i don't think it has much to do with homophobia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2019, 08:55:38 PM
I'm not a supporter but I don't find the humor in the lack of support from African Americans as funny as you all do. It's the biggest issue within our community that we have all of the power to fix. This dude is an absolute political clone of Barack Obama. I'll remind everyone that Obama didn't favor gay marriage until he was elected.

it's funny because it means he's mumped.  and i don't think it has much to do with homophobia.

Sorry but you're dead wrong. It doesn't have everything to do with his sexual orientation, but it's most of it's silly to suggest otherwise. He's had some missteps, of which most voters have no clue about. His racial blunders have been no where close to as bad as Biden's have been. If you take his policy positions at their face, he is much more progressive on racial issues than any of the other moderates, save booker. Evangelical black people aren't voting for a gay white man from Indiana. Now, I will concede that he likely has poured little to no resources in SC, but at this point that simply can't be an excuse for a 44 point gap. The support there for Biden is infuriating, why not support Booker or even the police? South Carolina voters have always frustrated me, I'll keep that to myself though.

Last rant, I'm going to ask kornacki why he didn't include klobuchar in his tweet. Should pollsters be driving agenda?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 18, 2019, 09:00:01 PM
hmmmm, same as Obama but no support, what could this mean....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 18, 2019, 09:08:30 PM
Sorry but you're dead wrong. It doesn't have everything to do with his sexual orientation, but it's most of it's silly to suggest otherwise. He's had some missteps, of which most voters have no clue about. His racial blunders have been no where close to as bad as Biden's have been. If you take his policy positions at their face, he is much more progressive on racial issues than any of the other moderates, save booker. Evangelical black people aren't voting for a gay white man from Indiana. Now, I will concede that he likely has poured little to no resources in SC, but at this point that simply can't be an excuse for a 44 point gap. The support there for Biden is infuriating, why not support Booker or even the police? South Carolina voters have always frustrated me, I'll keep that to myself though.

Last rant, I'm going to ask kornacki why he didn't include klobuchar in his tweet. Should pollsters be driving agenda?

yeah, that's completely ridiculous.

klobuchar wasn't included because she got a 0% w black voters but it wasn't funny enough that she got a zero for kornacki to bother typing her out.  no doubt her zero was due to the rampant misogyny of black voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 18, 2019, 09:18:05 PM
South Carolina dem primary voters are old as crap and they also love Obama that explains why they like biden. everyone else is 34+ points behind so to act as though homophobia is some sort of major salient issue here is bizarre.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2019, 11:17:59 PM
The homophobia doesn't account for him getting his ass kicked, it certainly does for the zero. I'm a little frustrated by having to defend this to people that haven't given a second thought to homophobia in African American communities before two weeks ago. This has been a serious problem in our community for 50 years, to think it doesn't effect the first gay presidential candidate is obtuse. You guys are acting like someone told you that Buttigieg is the first gay dude not accepted by black people. Either you're telling me that homophobia isn't an issue for evangelical African Americans or you're telling me that it is but for some reason it isn't a factor for the ultimate litmus test.

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Rep. Jim Clyburn, the veteran African American congressman from South Carolina who serves as House majority whip, told CNN recently that there was no question that support for an openly gay candidate was a “generational” issue for older African American voters and would affect Buttigieg’s popularity in the state.

Is he wrong too? I know what sys' agenda is here, having a harder time with you though kk.

I'm frustrated that white people are allowing old churchy South Carolina black folk to speak for all of us. They did this crap with Bernie for years ago. I ultimately think Pete will get better numbers when he gets away from the all his eggs in the Iowa basket philosophy, and more voters get to know him. I think the media narrative can have a harsh effect though, it certainly did for Bernie in 2016 and he was never able to shake it. A man who marched with Dr. King never got out of the teens against Mrs. Bring Them to Heel, Mrs. Hot Sauce in my purse, that was because of the early narrative against Bernie that he was never able to recover from. Now we're taking these shitty SC numbers for more than what they really are because white people can't say what this really is and when we say it we're told we don't know what we're talking about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 19, 2019, 06:02:54 AM
Will black people vote Pete over Trump?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on November 19, 2019, 07:36:06 AM
That pete'n for you tweet was so good though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 19, 2019, 07:38:13 AM
It was incredibly good


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 19, 2019, 10:55:36 AM
The homophobia doesn't account for him getting his ass kicked, it certainly does for the zero.

complete bullshit.

there were like 7 or 8 candidates that got zeros with sc black voters and another handful with 1s and 2s, almost all of whom have more experience in government, more impressive resumes and have demonstrated more interest in speaking with black voters than buttigieg.  you don't have to look for anything extraneous beyond the fact that the voters preferred other candidates to explain those numbers.  buttigieg is a mayor of a small town with no relevant experience, a miserable record of governance in his own town and no history of engaging black voters much less black voters in south carolina.  he's polling at about 8% nationally, up in the last couple of weeks from about 5% where he was at since june or so.  the anomaly isn't that he's polling at 0% with black voters in sc, it's that he's suddenly polling at 20+% in iowa.

your notion also makes no sense statistically.  homophobia is slightly more prevalent among black americans than white americans (almost entirely a function of black americans being more religious) and significantly more prevalent among black democrats than white democrats (a function of white americans with more homophobic attitudes being more likely to be republicans than is the case among black americans), but that doesn't mean that every last black voter in south carolina is homophobic.  i haven't seen data on black voters in sc specifically, but i just saw a survey that said 31% of natl democrats said, all things being equal, they'd be less likely to vote for a homosexual candidate (not wouldn't vote for, just less likely).  even if you double that for sc black voters, a number which assuredly is too high, that's 60% that might be some degree more reluctant to vote for buttigieg than other candidates due to negative attitudes re. homosexuals.  buttigieg got 0% of the other 40% too.

like, if i had access to that dataset and did a statistical test to determine if attitudes towards homosexuals explained any variation between the likelihood of voting for buttigieg among black voters in sc, the result would be that it doesn't, because there is no variation among black south carolina voters in likelihood of voting for buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 19, 2019, 06:37:17 PM
How do we account for the white man that's policy is indiscernible from Obamas getting zero black support in South Carolina after having ruled out homophobia
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on November 19, 2019, 08:05:24 PM
The homophobia doesn't account for him getting his ass kicked, it certainly does for the zero. I'm a little frustrated by having to defend this to people that haven't given a second thought to homophobia in African American communities before two weeks ago. This has been a serious problem in our community for 50 years, to think it doesn't effect the first gay presidential candidate is obtuse. You guys are acting like someone told you that Buttigieg is the first gay dude not accepted by black people. Either you're telling me that homophobia isn't an issue for evangelical African Americans or you're telling me that it is but for some reason it isn't a factor for the ultimate litmus test.

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Rep. Jim Clyburn, the veteran African American congressman from South Carolina who serves as House majority whip, told CNN recently that there was no question that support for an openly gay candidate was a “generational” issue for older African American voters and would affect Buttigieg’s popularity in the state.

Is he wrong too? I know what sys' agenda is here, having a harder time with you though kk.

I'm frustrated that white people are allowing old churchy South Carolina black folk to speak for all of us. They did this crap with Bernie for years ago. I ultimately think Pete will get better numbers when he gets away from the all his eggs in the Iowa basket philosophy, and more voters get to know him. I think the media narrative can have a harsh effect though, it certainly did for Bernie in 2016 and he was never able to shake it. A man who marched with Dr. King never got out of the teens against Mrs. Bring Them to Heel, Mrs. Hot Sauce in my purse, that was because of the early narrative against Bernie that he was never able to recover from. Now we're taking these shitty SC numbers for more than what they really are because white people can't say what this really is and when we say it we're told we don't know what we're talking about.

It definitely did suck that South Carolina didn't like Bernie. I don't know how you can look at Biden whipping everyone's ass in South Carolina and say that this is because Buttigieg is gay.

You were definitely right about Pete having more support in Iowa than I would've thought.

Anyway, there is zero chance Pete is winning the nomination and it has nothing to do with black people liking or not liking gay people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 19, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
No matter who gets the nomination, I hope they make Swalwell their running mate.


https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1196997558448664576?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 19, 2019, 10:21:39 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 19, 2019, 10:43:50 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 19, 2019, 11:24:58 PM
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-pete-buttigieg-and-after-a-lot-of-soul-searching-ive-realized-that-i-am-a-young-joe-biden?fbclid=IwAR1rRJV9YqxPxgsJ717xJzruACFkXmTXTK0JBQrFQXgf-dovXr7j5V3YZzA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 20, 2019, 04:32:02 AM
Gonna need to get back into things in order to get that pay to play machine cranked back up. 

https://twitter.com/realtylerzed/status/1196935944861102080?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 20, 2019, 07:52:16 AM
that is truly stunning
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on November 20, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
Thank you dax for continuing to call out noted 2020 presidential candidate 'crat Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2019, 10:58:32 AM
https://twitter.com/TinctureDrone/status/1196642155353251840?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on November 20, 2019, 11:15:55 AM
Gonna need to get back into things in order to get that pay to play machine cranked back up. 

https://twitter.com/realtylerzed/status/1196935944861102080?s=21

grats buddy

without this we probs wouldn't have heard from you buddy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 20, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
https://twitter.com/TinctureDrone/status/1196642155353251840?s=20

lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 20, 2019, 12:06:13 PM
Has Pete officially stated whether that song and dance is part of or sanctioned by his campaign?  Could be a deal-breaker for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 20, 2019, 12:08:03 PM
https://twitter.com/TinctureDrone/status/1196642155353251840?s=20

haha.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2019, 02:58:22 PM
Has Pete officially stated whether that song and dance is part of or sanctioned by his campaign?  Could be a deal-breaker for me.

It definitely is his walkout song during rallies. If this is how you're making your decision, I'll go-ahead and mark you down for the yang gang.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 20, 2019, 03:09:00 PM
Has Pete officially stated whether that song and dance is part of or sanctioned by his campaign?  Could be a deal-breaker for me.

It definitely is his walkout song during rallies. If this is how you're making your decision, I'll go-ahead and mark you down for the yang gang.

All of these except the last one say it was actually a new song that samples that song:

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a27890544/2020-democratic-presidential-candidate-walkout-songs/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gy4m5b/ranking-the-2020-democratic-candidates-based-only-on-their-walk-out-songs

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8502572/2020-presidential-candidates-rally-songs

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-2020-democrats-walk-out-songs-say-about-their-campaigns-2019-6#andrew-yang-return-of-the-mack-by-mark-morrison-18

But I'm talking more about the song now coming up incessantly accompanied with supporters line dancing to it.  Is that something he wants his staff having people do, or did they go rogue?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 20, 2019, 03:16:56 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/ArkansasOnline/status/1197252428107800577
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 20, 2019, 03:35:56 PM
Is that something he wants his staff having people do, or did they go rogue?

staff taught them to do it.  actually some of those vids are of paid campaign staff dancing, not volunteers or fans (most are a mix, i think).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 20, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1197323379323424768
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1197323379323424768

Sad.  Very telling.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
Anyone watch last night's debate?

I watched the first hour or so. My thoughts:

Amy for president?  :ck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on November 21, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
the part where booker called chicom joe high was pretty funny
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
The Chinese leadership, completely depressed with the failings of world renowned political shake down king, the mega corrupt Joe Biden (still universally beloved by the corp of LibBot Nation and LibBot movers and shakers though). 

Walks the halls of a new zeal in their step, as Mike "Xi is not a dictator" Bloomberg enters the race.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 04:05:31 PM
Cool, lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
Cool, lol

It's a new dawn as the Chinese leadership has their guy, multi-billionaire white guy, Mike Bloomberg.

Mainstream libbot movers and shakers pull out their checkbooks in mass.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2019, 04:10:14 PM
scandal


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 04:26:42 PM
Red Scare Part II??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/13/michael-bloombergs-china-record-shows-why-he-cant-be-president/

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 04:36:58 PM
Cool, lol

It's a new dawn as the Chinese leadership has their guy, multi-billionaire white guy, Mike Bloomberg.

Mainstream libbot movers and shakers pull out their checkbooks in mass.





In mass huh? Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 04:46:43 PM
Cool, lol

It's a new dawn as the Chinese leadership has their guy, multi-billionaire white guy, Mike Bloomberg.

Mainstream libbot movers and shakers pull out their checkbooks in mass.





 :curse: :curse: :curse:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
Bad day bud?  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 05:45:18 PM
Bad day bud?  :frown:

Sorry you're (once again) disenfranchised, Libbot, maybe 2024?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 05:46:08 PM
Grandax playing all the hits!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 05:47:32 PM
Grandax playing all the hits!

LibFlection Factor: 11/10

LibBot.9  :curse: :curse: factor: 12/10
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 05:51:17 PM
Double encore  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
A vertiable LibBot Gatling Gun of tapouts this evening.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 06:08:56 PM
Tapouts = Tommy Lee roller coaster drum solo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 06:11:04 PM
Tapouts = Tommy Lee roller coaster drum solo

Maybe 2024 will be your year Lib, hang in there.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
 :frown:  <----- me leaving the grandax concert but he didn't play "your posting has been shitty lately, take a break"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 21, 2019, 06:29:52 PM
:frown:  <----- me leaving the grandax concert but he didn't play "your posting has been shitty lately, take a break"

I was pretty pissed Drake got boo'd off stage in LA too, Lib, we're in on that together, dial back the  :curse: to at least 10.5/10 now.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
en masse
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 21, 2019, 10:53:36 PM
https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1197612090866982913
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2019, 02:17:03 AM
Anyone watch last night's debate?

I watched the first hour or so. My thoughts:
  • Klobuchar stood out for being good
  • Yang didn't get to talk until 9:34 EST, 34 minutes in :curse: :angry: :curse: Then he used his first 10 seconds to pump up California/environment rich guy whats his name.  After that he did well with what little time he had.
  • Pete was fine
  • Warren was fine
  • Booker tried going after Warren for the wealth tax being ineffectual everywhere else that has tried it, but did such a poor job of it that it almost seemed like he was trying to boost Warren
  • Joe Biden who? Guy leading most polls doesn't talk until 4th or 5th, stumbles over his opening remarks.  Did better a little bit later.
  • Kamala and Tulsi - meh

Amy for president?  :ck:

Pretty spot on. Surprised at how everyone played it safe. Biden is such a boob.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
LibBot Nation rage towards Gabbard is simply amaze . . .

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1197689154060115968?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2019, 11:05:30 AM
Hillary looks stupid, tulsi looks fine but kinda weird
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
Hillary looks stupid, tulsi looks fine but kinda weird

MisogynistLibBot.9

SMDH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
Oh sorry, I should have realized you were just wanting to be angry. Carry on buddy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 11:12:56 AM
Oh sorry, I should have realized you were just wanting to be angry. Carry on buddy

Just a bit appalled by one of your last posts MisogynistLibBot.9


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2019, 11:17:07 AM
I'm actually a misandrist because if a man wore an all white suit I'd assume he's a cult member.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
I'm actually a misandrist because if a man wore an all white suit I'd assume he's a cult member.

Kind of flailing right now :(
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2019, 11:24:21 AM
Just telling it like it is, someone who makes me uncomfortable
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 11:26:02 AM
Just telling it like it is, someone who makes me uncomfortable

Oh okay MisogynistLibBot.9
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 22, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
I'm actually a misandrist because if a man wore an all white suit I'd assume he's a cult member.

John Currie came close.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 22, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
President Bloomberg will put an end to this . . .

https://in.reuters.com/article/usa-china-southchinasea-military/u-s-warships-sail-in-disputed-south-china-sea-angering-china-idINKBN1XW0TL?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 22, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Just telling it like it is, someone who makes me uncomfortable

Great idea for KSU uni's, thou.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 23, 2019, 01:13:35 AM
Heck yeah kdiddy  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 09:47:26 AM
Liz Warren lies about sending her kid to a private school, at least in the case of her son who went to a private HS in Austin.   Lyin Liz’s daughter went to a public high school, but a public high school in a high rent district. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 24, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
Liz Warren lies about sending her kid to a private school, at least in the case of her son who went to a private HS in Austin.   Lyin Liz’s daughter went to a public high school, but a public high school in a high rent district.

Liz must be polling better
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
Liz Warren lies about sending her kid to a private school, at least in the case of her son who went to a private HS in Austin.   Lyin Liz’s daughter went to a public high school, but a public high school in a high rent district.

Liz must be polling better

The only way she wins primary is crooked DNC wants it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
Lyin Liz was caught on video telling another whooper . . . but LibBotNationFlection:  11/10

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on November 24, 2019, 12:21:12 PM
Liz Warren lies about sending her kid to a private school, at least in the case of her son who went to a private HS in Austin.   Lyin Liz’s daughter went to a public high school, but a public high school in a high rent district.
I love that you are so concerned about lying yet you support maybe the most dishonest person on the planet. Both of her kids did go to public school. Her son went to a public school through the fifth grade. Appreciate the meltdown though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 24, 2019, 12:28:57 PM
The fact that this is even a talking point really shows how squeaky clean all the dem candidates are.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 12:29:12 PM
Liz Warren lies about sending her kid to a private school, at least in the case of her son who went to a private HS in Austin.   Lyin Liz’s daughter went to a public high school, but a public high school in a high rent district.
I love that you are so concerned about lying yet you support maybe the most dishonest person on the planet. Both of her kids did go to public school. Her son went to a public school through the fifth grade. Appreciate the meltdown though.

Deflection 11/10

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 12:29:43 PM
The fact that this is even a talking point really shows how squeaky clean all the dem candidates are.


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Warren is openly campaigning against school choice, dumbshit.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 24, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
Donald is openly campaigning against corruption.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 24, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
If our candidates tell huge lies and are super corrupt . . . it's okay (LibBot Nation)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 24, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
The sound of champagne bottles popping inside  Zhongnanhai is deafening.

https://apnews.com/583b5e7ecfc84b61b470b5e8e3c4bcab
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
If our candidates tell huge lies and are super corrupt . . . it's okay (LibBot Nation)

Who lied? waks pointed out that what you called a lie actually wasn't a lie and you accused him of deflection. That's actually very on brand for a post-truth MAGA.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 24, 2019, 06:08:34 PM
“Yes, a real whopper!”

A total mush brain who wears diapers
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on November 24, 2019, 06:10:59 PM
Didn’t see accusing dems of being the liars coming from the magas.

What a time


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 24, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
The fact that this is even a talking point really shows how squeaky clean all the dem candidates are.


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Warren is openly campaigning against school choice, dumbshit.

It's duplicitousdave, sock ratting loser, what do you expect?  he will prolly ban me again now  :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Tobias on November 24, 2019, 06:52:41 PM
wait, tubesock is a sock?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 24, 2019, 07:15:38 PM
 :surprised:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 24, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
:Wha:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 24, 2019, 07:34:25 PM
wait, tubesock is a sock?

of course not duplicitousdave is a weirdo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 24, 2019, 07:35:56 PM
That's a dumb nickname. SkeevDave is like 69x better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiet on November 24, 2019, 08:03:15 PM
agreed
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 24, 2019, 09:40:10 PM
it was a lie, and just a bizarrely stupid one at that.  like, warren, people can check on where your children went to school.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 24, 2019, 10:10:51 PM
it was a lie, and just a bizarrely stupid one at that.  like, warren, people can check on where your children went to school.
Is that a threat? Disgusting...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 24, 2019, 11:23:59 PM
it was a lie, and just a bizarrely stupid one at that.  like, warren, people can check on where your children went to school.

Her children didn't go to public school? Wow, learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 12:33:36 AM
a protestor challenged warren, saying that she'd read that her children went to private schools.  warren denied this, stating that no, her children went to public schools.

this is a lie.  the protestor was not saying that she'd read that none of warren's children had ever attended a single day of public school.  and there is no reasonable reading of the assertion by warren to mean that she was stating that her children attended a mixture of public and private schools.

it is no different in form than trump asserting that he didn't extort ukrainian participation in creating a scandal for a potential election opponent by evidencing that he didn't do so in every communication with ukrainian officials.

it is a nonsensical argument.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2019, 02:07:49 AM
the protestor was not saying that she'd read that none of warren's children had ever attended a single day of public school.  and there is no reasonable reading of the assertion by warren to mean that she was stating that her children attended a mixture of public and private schools.


The exchange was literally two seconds long, not nearly long enough for you to know the intent of either woman, it's likely neither of them knew. You're interpreting it that way because you choose to, not because your observation is fact.

Elizabeth Warren has two children, they both attended public school, one for the entirety of her schooling, the other for 5 years. These are indisputable facts. An indisputable fact can never be a lie.

We really aren't ready for a woman president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 04:02:03 AM
let me crystallize this for you:

protester - "i read your children went to private schools"

warren - "no"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2019, 06:14:53 AM
Sounds like Warren is disputing that the protester read that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 25, 2019, 06:38:18 AM
This is where Warren lies. It isn’t disputable. The lie isn’t that her kids went to public school, it’s where she clearly says “no”. 

I don’t take it to mean that much, Warren is just another politician telling people what they want to hear.


https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1197972004412051457?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2019, 09:12:58 AM
MEH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on November 25, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
If one of her children went exclusively to public school, Warren quite factually is not lying.  Her children, plural, did not go to private school.  People can say she is intentionally misrepresenting her kid's schooling but she was not lying.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2019, 09:53:21 AM
If this is gonna be your warren take down.....wow
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
The gist is that the protester is saying, "public school wasn't good enough for your own kids," and she is replying, "no, it was good enough."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 25, 2019, 11:28:53 AM
The usual flailing about.  Liz sent her kid to a private school or a really good well funded public school in a zip code where the average adjusted gross income is nearly $100k and the partial feeder zips are higher. 

Only we can protect our liars (LibBot Nation).

No choice for you! (Liz Warren)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
I don’t take it to mean that much, Warren is just another politician telling people what they want to hear.

warren and buttigieg definitely fall into that camp of politicians.

https://twitter.com/Jehmu/status/1172566571505586176
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 25, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
I know it is your belief that Beto had that special something, but I think your use of “that camp of” is an unnecessary descriptor of the full set of “politicians”.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 01:37:02 PM
i think sanders is much more honest in terms of saying what he believes to be true rather than what he believes voters want to hear.  i think biden is somewhat more honest in those same terms. (and warren somewhat more honest than buttigieg if i were to continue ranking them).

i don't think all politicians are equally mendacious.  that is lazy and silly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
I fully support moderates lying their asses off to bilk progressive voters into giving them the democratic nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
The usual flailing about.  Liz sent her kid to a private school or a really good well funded public school in a zip code where the average adjusted gross income is nearly $100k and the partial feeder zips are higher. 

Only we can protect our liars (LibBot Nation).

No choice for you! (Liz Warren)

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
the 538 polling average still isn't out, but silver tweeted results from the unreleased average.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1199070110536912896

for comparison, the rcp average is currently:

biden 29.8
sanders 19.3
warren 18.5
buttigieg 7.8
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 25, 2019, 03:13:16 PM
StinkyPete is my guy. How's he doing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 25, 2019, 03:15:57 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1199070111363194881
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 25, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
The usual flailing about.  Liz sent her kid to a private school or a really good well funded public school in a zip code where the average adjusted gross income is nearly $100k and the partial feeder zips are higher. 

Only we can protect our liars (LibBot Nation).

No choice for you! (Liz Warren)

 :ROFL:

It's okay to admit that you don't understand demographics in the United States.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 25, 2019, 04:49:22 PM
https://twitter.com/farhip/status/1198716942225424384?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on November 26, 2019, 07:42:31 AM
Mayor Pete is trending this morning  :Ugh:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 26, 2019, 08:51:30 AM
Mayor Pete is trending this morning  :Ugh:

I think he'd irl lose to trump, which is an incredible feat only one other person I can think of could pull off
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on November 26, 2019, 08:51:39 AM
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2019, 11:15:54 AM
Mayor Pete is trending this morning  :Ugh:
https://twitter.com/Reductress/status/1195416376212643840?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2019, 12:22:58 PM
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on November 26, 2019, 12:24:53 PM
Is Liz Polling better than Donald?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
I think he'd irl lose to trump, which is an incredible feat only one other person I can think of could pull off

while i've said many times that i think he'd be the weakest dem nominee, it's well within the range of the possible that every dem would lose or that every dem would win.  we're too far out for head to head polls to be very useful and we don't know how popular trump will be a year from now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2019, 01:12:28 PM
Mayor Pete is trending this morning  :Ugh:
https://twitter.com/Reductress/status/1195416376212643840?s=19

This is so true during Dem primary season.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2019, 01:47:20 PM
Gross. The political machine is something else. This dude is a long way from being a community organizer. eff your dreams.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/472090-obama-privately-said-he-would-speak-up-to-stop-sanders-report
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 26, 2019, 02:51:06 PM
I think he'd irl lose to trump, which is an incredible feat only one other person I can think of could pull off

while i've said many times that i think he'd be the weakest dem nominee, it's well within the range of the possible that every dem would lose or that every dem would win.  we're too far out for head to head polls to be very useful and we don't know how popular trump will be a year from now.

oooooh do some historical trends on incumbent Presidents with scalding hot economies in their back pocket
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 26, 2019, 03:11:40 PM
The usual flailing about.  Liz sent her kid to a private school or a really good well funded public school in a zip code where the average adjusted gross income is nearly $100k and the partial feeder zips are higher. 

Only we can protect our liars (LibBot Nation).

No choice for you! (Liz Warren)

 :ROFL:

It's okay to admit that you don't understand demographics in the United States.

Omg guys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 03:32:44 PM
oooooh do some historical trends on incumbent Presidents with scalding hot economies in their back pocket

i don't think that is very predictive either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 26, 2019, 04:20:58 PM
The term incumbent President alone is hella predictive in our lifetimes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 26, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
I am fully on the #YangGang, even though it is a lost cause
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 26, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
i'm the same with StinkyPete but I doubt he does well after Iowa.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1199524796675084289
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2019, 09:48:54 PM
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
things will very likely change, but no, i don't think it is mostly name recognition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2019, 10:09:40 PM
things will very likely change, but no, i don't think it is mostly name recognition.

Thank you, self-appointed expert.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2019, 11:07:48 PM
I don't think Pete would be that high if it was all name recognition
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2019, 11:08:02 PM
Thanks Pot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2019, 11:38:08 PM
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 11:44:38 PM
things will very likely change, but no, i don't think it is mostly name recognition.

Thank you, self-appointed expert.

you had one of these "?" terminating your sentence.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2019, 11:47:18 PM
I am fully on the #YangGang, even though it is a lost cause

Don't be so sure. Everyone keeps pointing to where Obama was at this point in '07. If that person exists it will be Yang. His campaign is the only one right now that can match the energy of Pete's, he'll need to turn than energy into a strong, organized ground game, who'll work their asses off to get the word out instead of walking around cosplaying. He's also starting to spend quite a bit of money here. I think his play to go after msnbc was good because it will make the moderators of the December debate more aware of slighting him. That's if he makes the debate, he's close but isn't polling well enough yet. If he doesn't make it the DNC should be flogged, as he's clearly viable. There's also this

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 11:51:49 PM
yang spent the most money on tv in iowa of any of the candidates, which was definitely a surprise to me.


not agreeing with the idea that he's a viable or legit candidate, btw.  just commenting on the ads.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2019, 11:56:23 PM
yang spent the most money on tv in iowa of any of the candidates, which was definitely a surprise to me.


not agreeing with the idea that he's a viable or legit candidate, btw.  just commenting on the ads.

Really? Either he purchased them to appear en masse after Thanksgiving or he just didn't spend as well as Pete did. Pete's ads are all over the place, it's stunning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 26, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
that's interesting.

buttigieg was 2nd.  i don't want to go looking for the tweet, but yang was just over 500k, buttigieg and sanders just under 500k.  biden and warren were at around 200k.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 27, 2019, 12:01:28 AM
that was just for this week, btw.  i dunno if maybe buttigieg has been spending at that level for a while and yang just started or what.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2019, 12:26:03 AM
that was just for this week, btw.  i dunno if maybe buttigieg has been spending at that level for a while and yang just started or what.

That makes a lot more sense. Buttigieg's ad buys went way up after the Liberty and Justice Dinner, and he had a couple of weeks all to himself. Yang just started to appear this week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2019, 01:00:21 AM
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.
I mean you seem to see a difference between Bernie and Liz and maybe the anti-establishment folks think Bernie's health is worth what he brings  with policy relative to Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2019, 02:18:42 AM
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.
I mean you seem to see a difference between Bernie and Liz and maybe the anti-establishment folks think Bernie's health is worth what he brings  with policy relative to Liz.

I don't see the least bit of policy difference and neither does Bernie. He always answers, "well for starters she says she is a capitalist," then never actually points out any policy differences. Some ardent Bernie Bros on twitter hates Warren because "her ideas are stolen."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 27, 2019, 07:08:18 AM
I am fully on the #YangGang, even though it is a lost cause

Don't be so sure. Everyone keeps pointing to where Obama was at this point in '07. If that person exists it will be Yang. His campaign is the only one right now that can match the energy of Pete's, he'll need to turn than energy into a strong, organized ground game, who'll work their asses off to get the word out instead of walking around cosplaying. He's also starting to spend quite a bit of money here. I think his play to go after msnbc was good because it will make the moderators of the December debate more aware of slighting him. That's if he makes the debate, he's close but isn't polling well enough yet. If he doesn't make it the DNC should be flogged, as he's clearly viable. There's also this

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985

I hope so. I made my first presidential campaign contribution this week in hopes of helping him qualify for the debate. I’ve really enjoyed Yang in long form interviews on podcasts, but he isn’t all that well equipped to make a splash with 2 minutes of talking time over 2 hours. Not that anyone is.

That’s an interesting article, I think the anti-establishment lane connection for Sanders and Yang is real.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Yeah their policies aren’t really aligned, but the one thing Yang and Sanders definitely share is coming off as genuine in their beliefs. It’s really tough to feel that way about most politicians. I legit think Sanders was the only one on either side of the 2016 field.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on November 27, 2019, 09:58:28 AM
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 27, 2019, 10:22:01 AM
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues.
I’m not sure about that. It’s like the (dumb) criticism of Bernie for being rich. You can advocate for changes in policies you think will bring societal good while availing yourself of the best available options in the current society.  You can think that public schools would be better if there were no private schools, but still send your kids to private school to get the best education under the current system.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on November 27, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues.
I’m not sure about that. It’s like the (dumb) criticism of Bernie for being rich. You can advocate for changes in policies you think will bring societal good while availing yourself of the best available options in the current society.  You can think that public schools would be better if there were no private schools, but still send your kids to private school to get the best education under the current system.
Yeah I wasn't trying to do a deep dive of it.  It's like when Trump's MAGA hats were being made in China.  I just think it's funny.  I also think it's funny that she isn't being completely forthright about it. 

All that said, IDGAF about it.  It's a non-issue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
She used to be a Pub iirc


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 27, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
She's one weird bitch, does that matter.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2019, 12:59:29 PM
You sure don't pull any punches, kdiddy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
I like katdaddy’s “say what he thinks” outlook. No filter. Freeballin’ life.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
Maybe run cool AF Hunter instead of his old AF dad?


https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1199502515861118976


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on November 27, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
lol, that’s just down the street from the chiefs watch bar in DC. I actually went in after we beat the Ravens and smoked some crack with Hunter!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 27, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
She used to be a Pub iirc

yeah, she was a garden variety 'pub when her children were in school, so it seems pretty on brand.  the weirder thing to me is sending your two children to different schools.  i'd like the campaign to explain that, but they probably think saying anything just keeps the story alive longer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on November 27, 2019, 03:28:31 PM
She used to be a Pub iirc

yeah, she was a garden variety 'pub when her children were in school, so it seems pretty on brand.  the weirder thing to me is sending your two children to different schools.  i'd like the campaign to explain that, but they probably think saying anything just keeps the story alive longer.
Oh. Well knowing that she was a 'pub at the time makes it less funny.  Thanks guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
She used to be a Pub iirc

yeah, she was a garden variety 'pub when her children were in school, so it seems pretty on brand.  the weirder thing to me is sending your two children to different schools.  i'd like the campaign to explain that, but they probably think saying anything just keeps the story alive longer.

It's not weird at all. I'm sure money came into play when her son went to private school. She was a law professor at UT and had been for a couple of years when her son started private school. Her daughter was also already in high school at the time, I'm sure she decided she was good at whatever Austin area high school she was at, I'm sure it was a good one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 28, 2019, 07:24:08 PM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 28, 2019, 07:25:29 PM
Katdaddy, you do know that Trump himself is a billionaire, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on November 28, 2019, 07:25:45 PM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Why?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 28, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Why?

Every billionaire is a scum of the earth type that only care about other billionaires keep making money. They somehow feel Trump is a threat to their lifestyle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 28, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Why?

Every billionaire is a scum of the earth type that only care about other billionaires keep making money. They somehow feel Trump is a threat to their lifestyle.

He literally gave hundreds of millions in tax breaks to line their pockets with those tax cuts. :confused:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 28, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Why?

Every billionaire is a scum of the earth type that only care about other billionaires keep making money. They somehow feel Trump is a threat to their lifestyle.

He literally gave hundreds of millions in tax breaks to line their pockets with those tax cuts. :confused:

I don't know what threat(s) he poses to these billionaires, but it's enough to get them to run against him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1200227721923760130?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2019, 08:35:55 PM
He's got the progressives fired up!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on November 29, 2019, 10:05:32 AM
Ya know, the fact that billionaires are coming out of the woodwork to run against Trump makes him more attractive for reelection.
Why?

Every billionaire is a scum of the earth type that only care about other billionaires keep making money. They somehow feel Trump is a threat to their lifestyle.

He literally gave hundreds of millions in tax breaks to line their pockets with those tax cuts. :confused:

I don't know what threat(s) he poses to these billionaires, but it's enough to get them to run against him.
They're running against him because they think they can beat him because he's a lunatic. It has nothing to do with him being a threat to their lifestyles. It has everything to do with power/ambition. Bloomberg entered the race out of fear of Bernie/Warren and progressives that would tax the crap out of him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on November 29, 2019, 10:14:04 AM
Read American History for the period starting around the 1900's.  You will find out that the presidential races were fixed by the ultra rich, and in reality it still is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2019, 02:20:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1200227721923760130?s=19

This ad just came on. Of course like everything else having to do with Pete, his critique is insincere. The proposal they are speaking about is free public education for all, how many children of millionaires are attending public universities? I'd bet a very small percentage and most of those are in the south and midwest. His television graphic says "free public college for 80% of students." Is that 80% of all college students or 80% of all students enrolled in a public college or university? If it's the former, that's all public university attendees, as far as the cost goes there's no difference. If it's the latter, he's excluding a hell of a lot more than millionaires from attending college for free.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
It appears that a disturbing percentage of our population:

a) believe people worth $10m+ send their children to public universities.

b) it would be a problem if these people’s children got to go to public universities for free if they decided they wanted to for some reason.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on November 29, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
Pete sucks. This is just another example.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 29, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
a) believe people worth $10m+ send their children to public universities.

i think there are probably tons of millionaires whose children attend public universities.  moving the cutoff to 10m probably thins the herd enormously.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 29, 2019, 05:31:14 PM
cumulative.

https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1199375277585059840
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2019, 09:22:59 PM
cumulative.

https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1199375277585059840

Seems right but Bullock seems very low and Bennett seems very high. Since Bullock received the endorsement of the Iowa AG, he's been all over the airwaves. I don't recall a single Bennett ad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
LMAOOOOO


https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1200506968273805312


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 30, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
That sounds like a rootin’ tootin’ good time.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 30, 2019, 05:49:33 PM
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1200882191875465216?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 30, 2019, 06:04:14 PM
What does the red stylized E represent?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 30, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
flamethrowers burning off the malarkey.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 30, 2019, 06:37:27 PM
Say what you will about Joe, but he clearly has some idea of what Iowans want.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on November 30, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1200927741161476096?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 30, 2019, 09:08:58 PM
what have we done.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on November 30, 2019, 09:48:33 PM
https://twitter.com/misyrlena/status/1200909083068522496
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on November 30, 2019, 10:07:59 PM
Destroy them, sys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2019, 10:23:18 PM
This country deserves to burn good grief
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2019, 11:41:18 PM
There was a gE poster at a No Malarkey tour stop today and got a picture with both Bidens
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 02, 2019, 04:23:07 PM
still with the small caveat that she seems to run a little higher in the polling average 538 still refuses to make public but that silver teases every now and again.

https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1201609688921583619
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 02, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
Weird that Pete seems to be taking Warren votes and not Biden votes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 02, 2019, 06:41:32 PM
Weird that Pete seems to be taking Warren votes and not Biden votes.

it pretty much perfectly captures the thinking of the median goEMAW voter as far as i can tell.  i should probably do another poll.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 02, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1200927741161476096?s=21


Joe says "I'm not biting that burger picking Liz Warren's finger!"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 02, 2019, 08:04:13 PM
https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1201585861835530240?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 02, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
the polling average 538 still refuses to make public but that silver teases every now and again.

not too different.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1201601865105969152
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 02, 2019, 09:25:09 PM
Why are national polls done for this thing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2019, 02:26:09 AM
Why are national polls done for this thing?

To drive narratives, otherwise is really stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 03, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
Why are national polls done for this thing?

To drive narratives, otherwise is really stupid.

It’s like the commentators during the pre-match show of a tennis match solely predicting how many points each player will make.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2019, 12:02:08 PM
As long as Joe continues to poll like that Dems will remain (almost) all in on the Ukraine and impeachment, gotta protect the Dem front runner and/or weaken Trump when one of the other nobodies gets the nomination.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 03, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
Makes total sense, grandax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
Makes total sense, grandax

It's sad to see you so  :curse: , try to be happier Lib, for once.

Don't take your disenfranchisement from your party out on me and others.

#chicomjoe2020

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 03, 2019, 12:15:01 PM
That's nice grandax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 03, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
Toodles, Kamala
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2019, 12:15:39 PM
That's nice grandax

What stage of grief is this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 03, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
Toodles, Kamala

Interesting, I really thought she'd do a lot better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 03, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
eff this dude to hell and back.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1201923657209196544
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1201927566753435649?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 03, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
kinda sad, but it was starting to look pretty inevitable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 03, 2019, 12:52:45 PM
#gopetego
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on December 03, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
I think Harris is a great Senator and would also be a great VP pick.  I don't think she ran a very good campaign. 
I think Booker is a great Senator and would also be a great VP pick.  I don't think he is running a very good campaign. 
I'm coming around on Yang. He probably moves up to my 4th pick. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2019, 12:55:28 PM
Toodles, Kamala

Interesting, I really thought she'd do a lot better.

She isn't doing poorly, she's essentially 5th or 6th but there isn't a path. If Bloomberg didn't get in I think she stays. He's going to out spend her and lil klo almost immediately.

As always with these things, I'm not a fan of her legacy as a prosecutor, but I feel badly for her and the people who have busted their ass for her. Also pretty much everyone complains about media coverage, I think she has the biggest beef, particularly the last week or so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 03, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
Kamala was my favorite.  :frown:

This isn't that surprising, though. She hasn't really had any chance at all for some time now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on December 03, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1202008446083698689?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 03, 2019, 10:02:35 PM
Toodles, Kamala

Interesting, I really thought she'd do a lot better.

She let her bitch sister run things, instead of the pro with no balls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2019, 09:12:04 AM
Xi Favorite Mike "Xi isn't a dictator" Bloomberg already blowing up the airwaves with ads.

It's going to come down to ChiCom Joe vs ChiCom Mike.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 04, 2019, 05:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hashy_larry/status/1202371524415696896?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 04, 2019, 07:11:23 PM
https://twitter.com/hashy_larry/status/1202371524415696896?s=19

Is this a message to followers of Yang.  :fatty:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2019, 09:39:31 AM
lmao


https://twitter.com/argumentwinner/status/1202952290040209409


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2019, 09:52:52 AM
Pete has an NDA with a somewhat shadowy corporate entity.   I’m proud of LibBot Media for stepping in and gathering a host of legal experts to explain that’s just the way it has to be and NDA’s are just so very very hard to break.  Even if someone wants to be POTUS. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 10:45:52 AM
"Somewhat shadowy corporate entity"? I guess I'm more #TeamPete than I thot
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2019, 10:57:44 AM
The McKinsey group is a shadowy corporate entity? :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 11:02:35 AM
While I'm thinking about it, it's time someone finally put Deloitte on blast.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2019, 11:07:31 AM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 07, 2019, 11:48:38 AM
It’s time we finally learned more about this cabal who call themselves McKinsey.

Dax - you start here: https://www.mckinsey.com/about-us/overview

I’ll start on their Wikipedia page.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Then why all the explaining about why Pete can’t talk about his time at the “secretive” (direct quote) company?

In other news I was stunned to see the 2nd half of the mega corrupt (but still beloved by millions of LibBots) Kerry-Biden Family LLC, mega corrupt (almost seditious in his time as SOS) John Kerry endorsed the mega corrupt patriarch of the other well known crime family, Joe Biden.   Kudo’s to both for leveraging their time in office to use the power of their positions to enrich their family’s personal fortune. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 12:31:07 PM
The Pete McKinsey talk is just oppo ammo, designed to derp derps. Duh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
i have absolutely no doubt that buttigieg did the most boring, banal crap imaginable when working for mckinsey, but he absolutely should disclose what it was.  and warren should release her pre 2008 taxes.  you run for the presidency, you gotta bare your rough ridin' soul to the country, that's the way it is (or should be, because obviously, trump).

i also disagree that it is a meaningless issue.  i don't think bain capital is inherently evil either, but you'd be crazy to think it wasn't an electoral negative for romney in 2012.  mckinsey would be for buttigieg as well, and even though he was a new hire and presumably had no power, what projects he worked on and what clients he worked for would be part of how much of a negative that would be.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 05:15:47 PM
i have absolutely no doubt that buttigieg did the most boring, banal crap imaginable when working for mckinsey, but he absolutely should disclose what it was.  and warren should release her pre 2008 taxes.  you run for the presidency, you gotta bare your rough ridin' soul to the country, that's the way it is (or should be, because obviously, trump).

i also disagree that it is a meaningless issue.  i don't think bain capital is inherently evil either, but you'd be crazy to think it wasn't an electoral negative for romney in 2012.  mckinsey would be for buttigieg as well, and even though he was a new hire and presumably had no power, what projects he worked on and what clients he worked for would be part of how much of a negative that would be.
For dumbshits, yeah. First job out of college. Land a gig at the best of the best. What a negative.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:16:48 PM
dumbshits vote too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
dumbshits vote too.
I dont think you should be pushing this dumbshit bait, but you are obviously free to do what you want to do. You obviously have an agenda, and to your credit, you've been quite transparent of it. If Pete emerges as the nominee, will you vocally support him?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:20:14 PM
no, i wouldn't support him, vocally or otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 05:20:59 PM
no, i wouldn't support him, vocally or otherwise.
You wouldn't vote for him?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:22:49 PM
i don't know for sure, he'd have 6 months or so to woo me, and obviously i'm basically in ideological agreement with him, but i doubt it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
This is how Trump got elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
it's not.  my vote is irrelevant in determining who wins.  a bunch of dumbasses in the upper midwest who hate everyone with a whiff of corporate overlordness about them have a pretty big impact, otoh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 07, 2019, 05:35:20 PM
it's not.  my vote is irrelevant in determining who wins.  a bunch of dumbasses in the upper midwest who hate everyone with a whiff of corporate overlordness about them have a pretty big impact, otoh.
You mean the voters who ushered in Baron Von Trump? Just saying, lack of enthusiasm for Hillarry pilloried (lol) her campaign, and now we have Trump. I'm disappointed to hear you say you'd rather not vote than vote for Pete v. Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
This is why the electoral college needs abolished
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:48:11 PM
liking the owners and hating the managers is a thing with a good chunk of blue collar america.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 07, 2019, 05:50:04 PM
I'm disappointed to hear you say you'd rather not vote than vote for Pete v. Trump.

just to be pedantic - i didn't say i wouldn't vote.  i always vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2019, 06:13:33 PM
I work with McKinsey downgrades every single day. AMA!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 07, 2019, 06:50:17 PM
its high time this country had an openly gay candidate #teamstinkyPete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 07, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
liking the owners and hating the managers is a thing with a good chunk of blue collar america.

this is very true.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 08, 2019, 12:48:25 AM
it's not.  my vote is irrelevant in determining who wins.  a bunch of dumbasses in the upper midwest who hate everyone with a whiff of corporate overlordness about them have a pretty big impact, otoh.

No it’s not, not anymore. Stop perpetuating this antiquated line.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 08, 2019, 12:56:20 AM
did you even read the link that you linked, sb?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2019, 02:00:32 AM
dumbshits vote too.
I dont think you should be pushing this dumbshit bait, but you are obviously free to do what you want to do. You obviously have an agenda, and to your credit, you've been quite transparent of it. If Pete emerges as the nominee, will you vocally support him?

The "dumbshit bait" is available to be pushed because Pete is being secretive about it. The problem is that he's inconsistent. He isn't quiet about any other job he had. He's not treating this issue as if it's no big deal. Your reaction to people being curious about this definitely speaks to an agenda.

All democratic candidates should be 100% transparent about everything inquired about. Without the transparency you lose a weapon against the cheeto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2019, 02:03:56 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1202927131510157312

Lying [redacted]. That's a giant rough ridin' whopper to kick start the campaign. Does he think the electorate is entirely comprised of eight year olds that can't remember his time as mayor?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 08, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
Know some McKinsey guys.  I called them out for being shadowy just now.  They all lol'd at me and now I feel bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2019, 10:53:27 AM
Worked on a project with McKinsey on one side and Accenture on the other. The McKinsey side seemed a lot more competent IYAM.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2019, 10:56:51 AM
dumbshits vote too.
I dont think you should be pushing this dumbshit bait, but you are obviously free to do what you want to do. You obviously have an agenda, and to your credit, you've been quite transparent of it. If Pete emerges as the nominee, will you vocally support him?

The "dumbshit bait" is available to be pushed because Pete is being secretive about it. The problem is that he's inconsistent. He isn't quiet about any other job he had. He's not treating this issue as if it's no big deal. Your reaction to people being curious about this definitely speaks to an agenda.

All democratic candidates should be 100% transparent about everything inquired about. Without the transparency you lose a weapon against the cheeto.

I have to think that people with this view have no idea what McKinsey does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
dumbshits vote too.
I dont think you should be pushing this dumbshit bait, but you are obviously free to do what you want to do. You obviously have an agenda, and to your credit, you've been quite transparent of it. If Pete emerges as the nominee, will you vocally support him?

The "dumbshit bait" is available to be pushed because Pete is being secretive about it. The problem is that he's inconsistent. He isn't quiet about any other job he had. He's not treating this issue as if it's no big deal. Your reaction to people being curious about this definitely speaks to an agenda.

All democratic candidates should be 100% transparent about everything inquired about. Without the transparency you lose a weapon against the cheeto.

I have to think that people with this view have no idea what McKinsey does.

Interesting, elaborate, because I have no idea what "knowing what McKinsey does" have anything to do with them giving this particular person an NDA and having an issue with him breaking it because he's running for president.

I, frankly, don't give a crap about this. I'm amused however, by some of you talking out of both sides of your mouths. I don't know anything about McKinsey, but "lol he was an entry level employee for an everyman employer," is literally the most nonsensical argument for keeping a NDA disclosed I've ever heard. It actually takes a unique cognitive dissonance to think that makes any sense at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 08, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
dumbshits vote too.
I dont think you should be pushing this dumbshit bait, but you are obviously free to do what you want to do. You obviously have an agenda, and to your credit, you've been quite transparent of it. If Pete emerges as the nominee, will you vocally support him?

The "dumbshit bait" is available to be pushed because Pete is being secretive about it. The problem is that he's inconsistent. He isn't quiet about any other job he had. He's not treating this issue as if it's no big deal. Your reaction to people being curious about this definitely speaks to an agenda.

All democratic candidates should be 100% transparent about everything inquired about. Without the transparency you lose a weapon against the cheeto.

I have to think that people with this view have no idea what McKinsey does.

Interesting, elaborate, because I have no idea what "knowing what McKinsey does" have anything to do with them giving this particular person an NDA and having an issue with him breaking it because he's running for president.

I, frankly, don't give a crap about this. I'm amused however, by some of you talking out of both sides of your mouths. I don't know anything about McKinsey, but "lol he was an entry level employee for an everyman employer," is literally the most nonsensical argument for keeping a NDA disclosed I've ever heard. It actually takes a unique cognitive dissonance to think that makes any sense at all.

I would think that in this instance the NDA relates to client information.  Including identity of clients. 

I'm sure he had access to some proprietary information about their processes also. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 08, 2019, 12:01:15 PM
I have to think that people with this view have no idea what McKinsey does.

i'm sure they do a lot of crap, but the electorally significant part is that they (afaik) often recommend that their client fire a bunch of people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2019, 12:01:43 PM
McKinsey provides all sorts of support for businesses, and in a lot of those instances their clients prefer those projects not be publicized. It’s profitable for McKinsey to assure their clients that employees aren’t going to blab about all the stuff they’re asked to help with.

As far as I know, there is zero reason for McKinsey to make an exception for (right now) probably their highest profile alum.

It’s a strange call for transparency because you’re asking for insight into McKinsey’s clients moreso than Pete himself. Its like calling for a Harris to turn over the files for all the cases she handled as a prosecutor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 08, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
mckinsey isn't going to do crap if buttigieg discloses.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2019, 01:47:32 PM
Jesus guys, he can offer more transparency about his role without disclosing proprietary information about the clients. I feel like I've lapsed into bizarro neo-liberal, trumpian, excuse making. Again, I'll also point out that if he had an entry level, low influence role, like some of you are claiming, he's not going to have a lot of proprietary client info. We're still talking out of both sides of our mouths here.

I'll reiterate, I don't care and I won't hold this against the guy, but these excuses are pretty absurd. I'd say the same thing to anyone making excuses for Warren not disclosing her tax info while she was in the private sector.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on December 08, 2019, 02:40:23 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on December 08, 2019, 08:02:36 PM
https://twitter.com/cbszak/status/1203842218852618240

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1203845168459325440
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 08, 2019, 09:03:35 PM
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1203831388694286337
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 09, 2019, 08:48:22 AM
https://twitter.com/cbszak/status/1203842218852618240

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1203845168459325440

That pay seems very low, to the point where I can't even believe it. Maybe that's why she went into politics.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 09, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
part time.  she had a full time gig as a law prof.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 09, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
https://twitter.com/cbszak/status/1203842218852618240

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1203845168459325440

lmao, Charlie is such a moron. Should have went to college.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 11:20:34 AM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 09, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
What sorts of things do Mr. and Mrs. Warren do as part of their very extravagant lifestyle?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 12:28:03 PM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
What sorts of things do Mr. and Mrs. Warren do as part of their very extravagant lifestyle?

Things? The same things rich people and most politicians do?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 09, 2019, 12:31:37 PM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
What sorts of things do Mr. and Mrs. Warren do as part of their very extravagant lifestyle?

Things? The same things rich people and most politicians do?
Oh sorry, the way you were talking, I figured you had some specific insight. My bad, carry on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 12:32:13 PM
They’ve been successful, and live the life of successful and now busy people and there is nothing wrong with it.

Claiming they don’t would be silly, though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 09, 2019, 01:24:27 PM
One thing that should have you New NeoCon LibBots just fist pumping your asses off is the proclamation by Soccer Grandma Liz Warren is that she'll "restore" NATO.

The post cold war NATO has been nothing short of aggression, regime change and Eastward expansion/provocation of Russia.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 09, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
What sorts of things do Mr. and Mrs. Warren do as part of their very extravagant lifestyle?

Things? The same things rich people and most politicians do?
Oh sorry, the way you were talking, I figured you had some specific insight. My bad, carry on.

Liz has regular drawings to allow her supporters to have a beer with her. Just travels across the country for a damned beer, all willy nilly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 09, 2019, 01:52:51 PM
Her old ass husband and her are worth $10m too. All this time she’s let people believe she was middle class when in actuality she was UPPER middle class. smh


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 09, 2019, 01:57:05 PM
But she's a socialist
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 01:57:54 PM
Warren and her husband are worth over $10 mill, own multiple houses, and live a very extravagant lifestyle.

While Charlie is a complete dumbshit, he's not far off
What sorts of things do Mr. and Mrs. Warren do as part of their very extravagant lifestyle?

Things? The same things rich people and most politicians do?
Oh sorry, the way you were talking, I figured you had some specific insight. My bad, carry on.

Liz has regular drawings to allow her supporters to have a beer with her. Just travels across the country for a damned beer, all willy nilly.

I know, it's wild how much these candidates have been private jetting up the environment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 09, 2019, 02:28:58 PM
10 million dollars isn't upper middle class, steve dave.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
They’ve been successful, and live the life of successful and now busy people and there is nothing wrong with it.

Claiming they don’t would be silly, though

Who has done that? You can't be rich and think rich people should pay more taxes than non rich people?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2019, 04:27:25 PM
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Who is that in place of the cat?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on December 09, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
Tulsi.  She can be hard to identify without the white pantsuit and glistening chest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
10 million dollars isn't upper middle class, steve dave.

Of course you’re right but it made me curious so I looked it up. $5 million net worth makes you a 1%er https://www.thebalance.com/american-net-worth-by-state-metropolitan-4135839
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
They’ve been successful, and live the life of successful and now busy people and there is nothing wrong with it.

Claiming they don’t would be silly, though

Who has done that? You can't be rich and think rich people should pay more taxes than non rich people?

Warren should put all her money in a trust fund and designate THE AMERICAN PEOPLE as the beneficiaries if she really believes what she says.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 06:21:23 PM
They’ve been successful, and live the life of successful and now busy people and there is nothing wrong with it.

Claiming they don’t would be silly, though

Who has done that? You can't be rich and think rich people should pay more taxes than non rich people?

Haha, you absolutely can, man.

Honest question, though. Because I admittedly haven't studied her much (being dead serious, so don't laugh). Does Warren consider herself rich? Seems like most of her ideas attack and include taxing the extremely rich (.01%) but not the really rich (1%ers, her/her husband).

I'm sure her plans include raising taxes across the board, I just haven't seen any brackets or heard any quotes from her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2019, 06:38:42 PM
They’ve been successful, and live the life of successful and now busy people and there is nothing wrong with it.

Claiming they don’t would be silly, though

Who has done that? You can't be rich and think rich people should pay more taxes than non rich people?

Haha, you absolutely can, man.

Honest question, though. Because I admittedly haven't studied her much (being dead serious, so don't laugh). Does Warren consider herself rich? Seems like most of her ideas attack and include taxing the extremely rich (.01%) but not the really rich (1%ers, her/her husband).

I'm sure her plans include raising taxes across the board, I just haven't seen any brackets or heard any quotes from her.

Her plans call for tax increases on all Americans with a net worth of $50 million +, this is estimated to be about 30,000 households. She also advocates for a reformed corporate tax structure.

BTW for those wondering how $10 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 20 million millionaires in America.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
While I admittedly don't care about this Liz money thing, there's a big difference between a net worth of 1M and 10M. This board has several millionaires, no doubt. Not sure about 10M-aires, though. 10M should be enough to never worry about money again. 1M, not so much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
I found this list of candidates by worth, but there's no way this is correct.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/08/14/heres-the-net-worth-of-every-2020-presidential-candidate/#56cfecb837c5

Some seem really high, some seem very low. Marianne Williamson seems like it's off by a whole zero. She's had 7 books on the NYT Best Seller List. Did she have a bad crack habit? Pete also seems to be low by a zero. Did Bennet really get that rich working in the private sector for only 6 years?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
While I admittedly don't care about this Liz money thing, there's a big difference between a net worth of 1M and 10M. This board has several millionaires, no doubt. Not sure about 10M-aires, though. 10M should be enough to never worry about money again. 1M, not so much.

Insightful
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 09, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 09, 2019, 07:29:59 PM
so, buttigieg has agreed to allow a press pool member into his fundraisers and release names of bundlers.  afaik, the campaign hasn't released anything yet (beyond the work history summary put out a couple of days ago), but mckinsey agreed to release him from the nda today and that info will presumably be out before too long.

warren hasn't released her pre-2008 taxes, but did release the compensation info that has been discussed in this thread today.


good job, everybody.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2019, 08:18:18 PM
I mean anyone nearing retirement age really should have a $1 million + net worth. It’s pretty tough to accumulate $10 million by bootstrapping alone, though. That’s saving up $100k/year for 100 years (yeah I know the market actually does the heavy lifting here).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2019, 08:20:04 PM
so, buttigieg has agreed to allow a press pool member into his fundraisers and release names of bundlers.  afaik, the campaign hasn't released anything yet (beyond the work history summary put out a couple of days ago), but mckinsey agreed to release him from the nda today and that info will presumably be out before too long.

warren hasn't released her pre-2008 taxes, but did release the compensation info that has been discussed in this thread today.


good job, everybody.

They must think he has a real shot at getting elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2019, 08:50:41 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.
If anyone wants to know how many dudes are banging tens, there are tens of millions of dudes banging ones, for reference.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 09, 2019, 09:22:13 PM
10 million dollars isn't upper middle class, steve dave.

Oh, thank you sys.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 10, 2019, 12:16:30 AM
My theory of the race is pretty simple. 

There are a lot of candidates that have zero shot in this race:
gillibrand, klobuchar, buttigeg (sp?), castro, hickenlooper, yang, gabbard, inslee

then there are people that have some sort of shot:
booker, warren, sanders, harris

of those 4, we can pretty clearly divide them in to 2 groups:
warren/bernie- DNC would not like to win
booker/harris- DNC would like to win

harris is going to have much more appeal to actual voters than Booker's bizarre complete lack of a platform bromides and he will get hit hard by even Harris on Wall St. stuff

Bernie has built his own fundraising base and has a whole infrastructure from his last run that will overwhelm warren even if she surprises in Iowa

do you want me to talk about Biden?  He has no shot, he is going to get completely destroyed from all sides.
Abrams/Beto? let's wait for the roll out, but I would say Beto has the higher name ID and a slightly better shot, but I don't think he will be able to work his schtick for the whole time without getting in to policy at some point and I don't think his fundraising or style of politics will be nearly as appealing in a big dem primary as opposed to against someone as despicable as Ted Cruz in a place where he got tons of outside money from people trying to grab a Texas Senate seat. I just don't see it.

Checking In---

Biden much more resilient than originally thought. Booker/Harris irrelevant. Still lots of uncertainty.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 10, 2019, 12:54:51 AM
not a fan of national polls except when they make Bernie look this good.

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1204280724033024000

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1204282011814449152

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 10, 2019, 05:26:37 AM
nationally, there is a clear trend where warren has fallen and biden, sanders and buttigieg have all benefited.  there haven't been in any high quality early state polls for a while, it'll be interesting to see the next ones.  cbs early states should be out soon, at the very least.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1204183390444048385
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: PurpleOil on December 10, 2019, 07:56:52 AM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 10, 2019, 08:37:59 AM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 10, 2019, 08:52:02 AM
I love it when privileged college grads learn how poor the rest of the country is. Great bbs reading.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 10, 2019, 09:20:02 AM
Yeah, more than half of the country is dead ass broke. It's amazing that people don't realize that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 10, 2019, 10:13:19 AM
Yeah, if you look at the link I posted earlier, the median net worth of a middle age American is less than $70k.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: PurpleOil on December 10, 2019, 11:02:06 AM
EDIT: I apparently needed to chill.


tl;dr  I still just don't get it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2019, 11:08:25 AM
Oil, chill.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 10, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
Well now I want to know the pre-edit
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 10, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
"I still don't get it" captures the sentiment, honestly. I don't mean that in a negative way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 10, 2019, 11:24:38 AM
Purpleoil is single and 32, he started out with nothing and has net worth of 300k.  Why are you dual incomers so broke ffs.  something like that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 10, 2019, 11:26:14 AM
Don't let MIR bully you, purpoil. I, for one, am proud of the man you've become.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 10, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
I don't know my net worth and don't really care to.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 10, 2019, 11:29:54 AM
Remember, George, no man is a failure who has friends.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 10, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
purpleoil makes a good point about Americans blowing their paychecks on nonsense living beyond their means.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 10, 2019, 11:34:07 AM
Most of the people with no net worth are blowing all of their money on kids.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 10, 2019, 11:39:11 AM
Dave Ramsey would have a field day with you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 10, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
There are so many reasons someone could have a 0 or negative net worth. Lack of bootstrapping is one of them, but a very small percentage I’m sure.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
Well now I want to know the pre-edit

It was just a lot of words sticking up for himself when it wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 10, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Dave Ramsey would have a field day with you.

lol start your own thread for this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 11, 2019, 02:33:12 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129)

I honestly don't know how much longer there can be zero relationship to how bad a campaign this has been and Biden's poll numbers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 11, 2019, 04:12:25 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129)

I honestly don't know how much longer there can be zero relationship to how bad a campaign this has been and Biden's poll numbers.

It really is mind Bidening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 11, 2019, 04:17:14 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:

Wealth advisor told me the other day those with 1 million to invest for retirement is less than 12%, those with ,5 million to invest 27%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 11, 2019, 05:09:16 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:

Wealth advisor told me the other day those with 1 million to invest for retirement is less than 12%, those with ,5 million to invest 27%.

his contention is that 39% of American's have over $1 million to invest for retirement?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on December 11, 2019, 05:14:12 PM
Remember, George, no man is a failure who has friends.
Say what you want about this sappy 2 hour long black and white hallmark card but even when posted ironically, this sentiment brings a genuine smile to my face
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 11, 2019, 05:23:51 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:

Wealth advisor told me the other day those with 1 million to invest for retirement is less than 12%, those with ,5 million to invest 27%.

his contention is that 3927% of American's have over $1 .5 million or more to invest for retirement?

FYP.  BTW, they don't add up since all investors who have .5 million or more are included in the 27%.
 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 11, 2019, 05:37:09 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:

Wealth advisor told me the other day those with 1 million to invest for retirement is less than 12%, those with ,5 million to invest 27%.

his contention is that 3927% of American's have over $1 .5 million or more to invest for retirement?

FYP.  BTW, they don't add up since all investors who have .5 million or more are included in the 27%.

why didn't you just fix your post?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on December 11, 2019, 06:26:24 PM
My retirement plan is to not live past the age of 60.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 11, 2019, 07:19:06 PM
My retirement plan is to not live past the age of 60.


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Hell yeah brother
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2019, 08:37:03 PM
Katpappy I’m pretty sure your financial advisor is a liar.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 11, 2019, 08:37:54 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129)

I honestly don't know how much longer there can be zero relationship to how bad a campaign this has been and Biden's poll numbers.

probably only serving one term is pretty much his most attractive feature.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2019, 08:39:58 PM
Katpappy I’m pretty sure your financial advisor is a liar.

Also the $5 million group would be included in the $1 million not the other way around. That’s nonsense.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 11, 2019, 08:47:38 PM
.5 million, 500k
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
Ok well that’s probably right then
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 11, 2019, 09:19:45 PM
BTW for those wondering how $1 million compares to the rest of the country, there are about 100 million 100-thousandaires in America.

Really? That's it? Hell, that's not even an accomplishment. Having half your mortgage paid off should put just about every American in that group.

There are fewer than 100 million US homeowners.  Much less homeowners with $200k houses. :facepalm:

Wealth advisor told me the other day those with 1 million to invest for retirement is less than 12%, those with .5 million to invest 27%.

his contention is that 3927% of American's have over $1 .5 million or more to invest for retirement?

FYP.  BTW, they don't add up since all investors who have .5 million or more are included in the 27%.

why didn't you just fix your post?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 11, 2019, 09:58:32 PM
Katpappy being European confused the eff outta everyone with his decimal notation
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 12, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1205158971771957248
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 12, 2019, 11:02:18 AM
Ya know if Bernie or Liz would get out the other might have a chance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 12, 2019, 11:13:26 AM
Ya know if Bernie or Liz would get out the other might have a chance.

It's going to be Biden, no matter how hard his campaign tries to make it not him, it's going to be.

Then he's going to get Yang as his VP, if/when they win, Yang will then be the Dem candidate for 2024 when Biden is 96 years old.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 12, 2019, 01:31:27 PM
Ya know if Bernie or Liz would get out the other might have a chance.

It's going to be Biden, no matter how hard his campaign tries to make it not him, it's going to be.

Then he's going to get Yang as his VP, if/when they win, Yang will then be the Dem candidate for 2024 when Biden is 96 years old.

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 13, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
https://twitter.com/nickciarelli/status/1205354210465742848

https://twitter.com/kellypuentelb/status/1195469566572318721
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 13, 2019, 09:40:37 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 13, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
The deadpan "Bloomberg" is fantastic lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 13, 2019, 12:02:29 PM
i think the bloomberg dance vid is a hoax?  not positive.

538's polling average is finally live!  like 8 months later than it should be, but still cool.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1205534791002722305
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 13, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Democratic Party things

https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1205578550679687168
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 13, 2019, 02:09:16 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2019, 02:13:21 PM
i think the bloomberg dance vid is a hoax?  not positive.

538's polling average is finally live!  like 8 months later than it should be, but still cool.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1205534791002722305
The Bloomberg vid is definitely at a UCB theater in LA. it's very funny too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 13, 2019, 02:19:34 PM
Wish Bloomberg would just give all the money he's about to piss away to Cats U.

Estimates into the Billions for him to still lose.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/0a65659ef48116bf9a3c74e4be96e475/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 13, 2019, 05:38:29 PM
Democratic Party things

https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1205578550679687168

It is heartening to know that at least some democrats still care about supporting labor.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2019, 06:49:56 PM
The people messing with Bloomberg are lmao


https://twitter.com/bradfordevans/status/1205588515477581825


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 14, 2019, 11:18:10 AM
https://twitter.com/SeanTrende/status/1205889342457208834
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2019, 11:38:03 AM
Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 14, 2019, 12:40:44 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 12:42:46 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

Perhaps I'm biased, but gimme a break...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 14, 2019, 12:53:44 PM
The way things are is the way they are and they should never change for the better because that is the law.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 12:55:24 PM
The way things are is the way they are and they should never change for the better because that is the law.
Has someone proposed legislation to cancel McKinsey? I don't understand the vitriol against them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 14, 2019, 12:59:59 PM
Hating the player instead of the game smdh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 14, 2019, 01:51:08 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling.

It's perfectly legal, in America anyway, to walk into a temple on Rosh Hashanah and read from Mein Kampf. We cool with that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling.

It's perfectly legal, in America anyway, to walk into a temple on Rosh Hashanah and read from Mein Kampf. We cool with that?

The temple can exclude whomever they want, being a private institution. But I'm cool with some dweeb reading Mein Kampf on public property. Absolutely.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling.

It's perfectly legal, in America anyway, to walk into a temple on Rosh Hashanah and read from Mein Kampf. We cool with that?

The temple can exclude whomever they want, being a private institution. But I'm cool with some dweeb reading Mein Kampf on public property. Absolutely.

That doesn't address the line of illegality and morality and how we as a society should feel about such things. Laws are constantly evolving, to take a "well it's legal" stance ignores that fact and implies that all of our laws are perfect, for perpetuity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
If they did something unlawful, then sue their asses and make them pay. If not, they're just doing their jobs. I don't believe in bogeymen.

Can’t condemn anything that is lawful. Amazing that you are sticking with this hot take.

yeah, that's a really weird way to view the world.
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling.

It's perfectly legal, in America anyway, to walk into a temple on Rosh Hashanah and read from Mein Kampf. We cool with that?

The temple can exclude whomever they want, being a private institution. But I'm cool with some dweeb reading Mein Kampf on public property. Absolutely.

That doesn't address the line of illegality and morality and how we as a society should feel about such things. Laws are constantly evolving, to take a "well it's legal" stance ignores that fact and implies that all of our laws are perfect, for perpetuity.

Well, I'm a pretty big fanboi of the First Amendment, admittedly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 14, 2019, 04:08:49 PM
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling. 

while i should admit that i probably don't have as much of a grasp on your worldview as i pretended to in my most recent post, and i also don't know how specific to the issue of legalism you intended your comment to be, i can't say that i've ever thought that you had any real idea what my worldview is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
FWIW, I view your worldview as equally puzzling. 

while i should admit that i probably don't have as much of a grasp on your worldview as i pretended to in my most recent post, and i also don't know how specific to the issue of legalism you intended your comment to be, i can't say that i've ever thought that you had any real idea what my worldview is.

Well, um, alright? I was clearly responding to your statement :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 14, 2019, 04:19:23 PM
yeah, i know.  like, both of the caveats that i included were included because of that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 14, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
yeah, i know.

Welp ... Big Gulps, eh?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 14, 2019, 04:21:58 PM
yeah, i know.

i knew i should have deleted and reposted instead of modifying.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 14, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
what is this thread ?  The sign on the door said Spracnes clown Haberdashery   :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
My experiences with McKinsey have been that they are very cult like. The article stating them viewing themselves as like the Marine Corp or Catholic Church is pretty telling.  That said I’m still going to laugh my ass off at Dax calling them a shadowy corporation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Everything in the world is shadowy to dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2019, 08:10:46 PM
Yeah, they are weirdos for sure, it’s all cringey stuff. They throw their tie over the same shoulder when they’re getting intense and say “it’s a McKinsey thing”. They also go around the room asking which one has the better tie most days. I’d be curious what kind of weird training they go through. I dislike working with them in general BUT also acknowledge that they are very good at getting stuff to completion. You have to tell them to stay in their lane a lot because they generally believe their lane is as wide as the earth but when they are in that lane they consistently valuable to at least our organization. We will bring them in when we have a massive project that's gone off the rails or have something we have to get done fast. We've also hired a lot of their people to come work for us and have had pretty good success with them in general. But they hop jobs a lot, which is to be expected.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on December 14, 2019, 09:02:02 PM
When I worked for a competitor my boss, who came from McKinsey, would tell great stories to our clients about the weirdos at McKinsey. I have no idea if they were true or not..


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
Them thinking of themselves like the marines or a military corp or something makes sense too. I was having some booze drinks with one of the guys one time and he was telling me about how you have to do X and then you are promoted to Y, then you do A, and you are promoted to B, etc. I know a lot of careers are vaguely like that but the way he explained it was like scout badges and you had to get a certain number, very specific, and it was documented or some crap. And iirc he listed off all the levels or whatever and what you had to do. Thinking about Pete's accomplishments it kind of seems like a lot of scout badges.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 14, 2019, 09:26:45 PM
Also they are extremely hierarchal. We'll have like 5 of them on one thing we are doing and I'll just grab one of the guy/guydettes and start talking to them about what I want to do next and the apparently ranking one will come and blow up the conversation and change the course and make me start over with what I want to do because apparently I wasn't talking to the highest ranking McKinseyitte. But they don't advertise that. I think generally if you hire 5 of them at least 3 are essentially in training or some crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 14, 2019, 11:30:44 PM
LMAO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 15, 2019, 12:20:05 AM
They throw their tie over the same shoulder when they’re getting intense and say “it’s a McKinsey thing”.

i thought it was just a general "guess it's back to the drawing board and work harder" comment when you said buttigieg's campaign needed to throw their ties over their shoulders after the fake black endorsements were reported.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2019, 06:24:36 AM
When Russ Buffalino throws his tie over his shoulder to help fix Frank Shearhan’s truck was this a McKinsey thing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2019, 06:59:06 AM
When Russ Buffalino throws his tie over his shoulder to help fix Frank Shearhan’s truck was this a McKinsey thing?

Did he say “it’s a McKinsey thing”?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 15, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
When Russ Buffalino throws his tie over his shoulder to help fix Frank Shearhan’s truck was this a McKinsey thing?

OK, I'm confused.  Who are these guys and in what scene was this in? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 15, 2019, 02:45:34 PM
This is old but I just saw it and it mad me laugh

https://twitter.com/Citizen_Zane/status/1184289900935335937
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 15, 2019, 03:25:33 PM
This is old but I just saw it and it mad me laugh

https://twitter.com/Citizen_Zane/status/1184289900935335937

I love this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2019, 05:14:00 PM
Very well done
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 15, 2019, 08:16:08 PM
I can here that in Biden’s voice and let me tell you pal, it is spot on


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 16, 2019, 04:14:38 PM
Old timey guy body bags fatter old timey guy


https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1206695419700482053


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 16, 2019, 05:52:13 PM
His dumb ass national poll numbers are the only thing he is campaigning on. Never mind that if he won the primary, I think he's literally the only Democratic candidate who would see that number disappear in the summer and fall before the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 16, 2019, 06:48:15 PM
Old timey guy body bags fatter old timey guy

fun fact, this is very likely beto's old twitter guy that biden just hired.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 16, 2019, 07:01:58 PM
Old timey guy body bags fatter old timey guy

fun fact, this is very likely beto's old twitter guy that biden just hired.

https://twitter.com/sirdukedevin/status/1206696291624984577
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2019, 05:12:19 AM
Mayor Woodfin of BHAM, apparently forgetting that mega corrupt ChiCom Joe championed draconian sentencing legislation that specifically targeted African Americans for incarceration nation . . .

Has endorsed ChiCom Joe aka quid pro quo Joe the Ukrainian Shake Down Master. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2019, 06:01:42 AM
Dax, I have no idea what you are saying. And my daxlator is the latest design with all the updates.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2019, 06:37:46 AM
Dax, I have no idea what you are saying. And my daxlator is the latest design with all the updates.


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It's kind of sad that your love of Mega Corrupt ChiCom Joe renders you unable to comprehend a political endorsement.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on December 17, 2019, 06:40:26 AM
Nobody cares about Birmingham you weirdo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2019, 06:54:28 AM
Nobody cares about Birmingham you weirdo

Then why have Joe and Bernie and Beto been here campaigning . . . and Soccer Grandma.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2019, 07:25:50 AM
Oh no, do NOT talk bad about Birmingham or dax will absolutely lose it.  :ohno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2019, 07:28:32 AM
Oh no, do NOT talk bad about Birmingham or dax will absolutely lose it.  :ohno:

Not really, just seem weird takes from people who live in ah, "interesting" places.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2019, 07:34:14 AM
BHAM means Birmingham? Huh


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2019, 07:35:13 AM
All cities should only be allowed one nickname and the only allowable nicknames are the airport letters. Little Apple is also acceptable.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 17, 2019, 07:38:40 AM
sometimes they get the airport wrong though.  mci, wtf?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 17, 2019, 07:39:25 AM
All cities should only be allowed one nickname and the only allowable nicknames are the airport letters. Little Apple is also acceptable.


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BHM is the airport, so . . .

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2019, 07:42:31 AM
sometimes they get the airport wrong though.  mci, wtf?

And MCO. But tough crap, your city should have  sacked up and demanded a better code.

OMA signing off


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 17, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
fat.   :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 17, 2019, 07:48:00 AM
fat.   :frown:

That's a fun code!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 17, 2019, 07:51:04 AM
lol

(http://www.thebluebook.com/inc/img/qp/2180886/cshqa-fresno-yosemite-international-airport-terminal-renovation.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2019, 08:33:16 AM
lmao


https://twitter.com/gabecortez/status/1206730413055586304


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 17, 2019, 01:50:03 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/gabecortez/status/1206730413055586304


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Mayo's no sucker.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 17, 2019, 07:20:29 PM
lol

(http://www.thebluebook.com/inc/img/qp/2180886/cshqa-fresno-yosemite-international-airport-terminal-renovation.jpg)

kind of a give away for that airport game some of you play.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 17, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
EABOD Mayo
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/elizabeth-warren-turned-down-lucrative-job-over-advocacy-group-concerns.html?&qsearchterm=Elizabeth%20Warren
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 19, 2019, 03:38:01 PM
BHAM means Birmingham? Huh


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weird acronym for total crap hole
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
It's Bombingham
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on December 19, 2019, 04:25:12 PM
airport codes are not allowed to start with "K"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 19, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
Tulsi's such an adorable idiot. The lone Democratic Party MAGA.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1207547421745528833
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 19, 2019, 08:10:51 PM
How was the first hour of the debate?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2019, 08:43:21 PM
How was the first hour of the debate?

Lakers at Bucks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on December 19, 2019, 09:08:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1207854456982904837?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 19, 2019, 11:06:04 PM
They should draw straws out of a hat and go with it at this point and put all the money toward congressional races.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2019, 06:46:31 AM
How was the first hour of the debate?

It was terrible, hours two and three were much better.

Yang- his supporters will cry about how he got less time than everyone else again but he doesn't utilize what he has and doesn't insist on rebutting like the others do.

Steyer- grats on the impeachment, it's a travesty he was on that stage instead of Booker, he offered literally nothing

Mayo- like the other two before him, he melted as the target, had a horrendous night. He comes off as very insincere.

Klo- damn, her best night of the campaign. She clearly doesn't like Mayo, seemed almost personal. She'll get noted for taking him out but I thought she was solid all around on policy. She's a moderate that sounded progressive.

Biden- he is what he is, I can see why some think he's relatable, he's old man folksy, but he doesn't relate to me at all. Sarah Sanders saved his ass, she made fun of him stuttering when he was telling a story about a kid who stutters, and everyone went nuts on her. The problem is, he wasn't stuttering himself when telling the story, he was mimicking the speech pattern of the kid in the story. He's so kringy.

Bernie- he's consistent, pretty much the same performance. His noteworthy moment came because of a moderator error. I don't remember the woman's name but there were a series of questions about the environment that pretty much everyone got to answer but Bernie. The moderator then asked him a question about race. He started to discuss environmental racism and the moderator cut him off, stating that his answer was not about race. He finished his answer anyway. This same moderator had a moment with Biden later when she pronounced Afghanistan differently than we hear and he didn't understand her so she had to repeat it. Some dip crap at the Huffington Post tried to say that Biden challenged her, he definitely did not.

Warren- similar to Bernie that she's pretty consistent with her message and delivery. She popped mayo about having a $5000/person fundraiser in a wine cave. She definitely won the exchange, the moderators let it go for too long, Klo actually was the one to stop it, only to then body Pete herself. As discussed I will caucus for Warren, and I'm a donor, but she doesn't inspire me. Probably because I'm old but she just doesn't move me at all. She's smart, and quick thinking but I just don't hang on her every word.

All in all this debate was a disappointment given the relatively small number of candidates on stage. I thought the moderators stunk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 20, 2019, 06:50:43 AM
Man, I watched hours 2 and 3 and came across with pretty different takes than you.  I’ll write up my thoughts later today, but I did enjoy Yang purely angling for a cabinet position in a Warren White House.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2019, 07:15:03 AM
Just can’t see how Bernie is even viable with the New McCarthyite Left.  The man has strong latent Communist/ProSoviet Union feelings and likely longs for the days of the Central Committee and five year plans.




Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1207835665519366144
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2019, 08:10:35 PM
Currently the RNC has 8x the cash on hand as compared to the DNC and is running about 3x on fundraising YTD.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 22, 2019, 08:55:35 AM
Lol


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/21/about-that-wine-cave-dinner-i-was-there/
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2019, 10:40:07 AM
That makes me admire Pete more that he didn’t even try to engage on that level in the debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2019, 11:06:45 AM
That makes me admire Pete more that he didn’t even try to engage on that level in the debates.

What?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
That makes me admire Pete more that he didn’t even try to engage on that level in the debates.

What?
I assume Catastrophe thinks it’s good that he didn’t quibble with Warren’s egregiously incorrect statements she used to attack him, because even if the statements were true it is a dumb line of attack.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
Bingo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2019, 02:36:33 PM
I’m not sure I’d say egregiously inaccurate, though. Just insincere as best.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2019, 08:32:46 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2019, 08:40:04 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.
I don’t think it was insincere, but if the $900 bottle of wine referenced was actually $185, then that was inaccurate. And it wasn’t some secret billionaires club fundraiser. 

Getting the money out of politics is a great thing to do once you’re in. Pretending money isn’t in politics while you’re still trying to run is stupid.

Republicans are playing to win, Democrats are playing to uphold some set of ideals. While this is generally admirable, abstaining from certain pots of money while running for office is a particularly dumb tactic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 22, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
The only reason this resonates to this degree is because anyone with half a brain can look at this guy and his resume and the way he talks and figure him for an absolute worm.

I mean there are a million examples, but here is another-

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1208891231721402370?s=21

Whatever Warren said was nowhere near as inaccurate as that op-Ed where the guy said “it only cost me $11.” I mean holy crap lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 22, 2019, 08:48:42 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.
I don’t think it was insincere, but if the $900 bottle of wine referenced was actually $185, then that was inaccurate. And it wasn’t some secret billionaires club fundraiser. 

Getting the money out of politics is a great thing to do once you’re in. Pretending money isn’t in politics while you’re still trying to run is stupid.

Republicans are playing to win, Democrats are playing to uphold some set of ideals. While this is generally admirable, abstaining from certain pots of money while running for office is a particularly dumb tactic.

Hillary outspent Trump 2:1 and then tried to convince everyone she only lost because Russians bought Facebook ads or something. If you think trying to put raise and outspend trump by any means necessary is the ticket forward burden of proof is on you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 22, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
My word, the knives are really out for Pete...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2019, 08:51:22 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.
I don’t think it was insincere, but if the $900 bottle of wine referenced was actually $185, then that was inaccurate. And it wasn’t some secret billionaires club fundraiser. 

Getting the money out of politics is a great thing to do once you’re in. Pretending money isn’t in politics while you’re still trying to run is stupid.

Republicans are playing to win, Democrats are playing to uphold some set of ideals. While this is generally admirable, abstaining from certain pots of money while running for office is a particularly dumb tactic.

Hillary outspent Trump 2:1 and then tried to convince everyone she only lost because Russians bought Facebook ads or something. If you think trying to put raise and outspend trump by any means necessary is the ticket forward burden of proof is on you.
I think that proving spending is a positive for campaigns is probably pretty easy, but halftime is pretty short, so I'm not going to worry about it now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
I'll go this far, not sure if the granular spending of dollars matched(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191223/ae2d8afce70da28b1242364d7d726c89.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2019, 08:59:52 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.
I don’t think it was insincere, but if the $900 bottle of wine referenced was actually $185, then that was inaccurate. And it wasn’t some secret billionaires club fundraiser. 

Getting the money out of politics is a great thing to do once you’re in. Pretending money isn’t in politics while you’re still trying to run is stupid.

Republicans are playing to win, Democrats are playing to uphold some set of ideals. While this is generally admirable, abstaining from certain pots of money while running for office is a particularly dumb tactic.

Hillary outspent Trump 2:1 and then tried to convince everyone she only lost because Russians bought Facebook ads or something. If you think trying to put raise and outspend trump by any means necessary is the ticket forward burden of proof is on you.
I think that proving spending is a positive for campaigns is probably pretty easy, but halftime is pretty short, so I'm not going to worry about it now.

It isn't an issue of whether spending is important or not, not this argument anyway. The issue is where the money is coming from, if we had election laws that actually made sense in a democracy, I doubt that either Clinton or Trump wins their nomination for years ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.

It was insincere because Warren implied Pete’s focus through the event was catering to billionaires instead of regular people. This was a fancy event where net worth did not determine access. But she didn’t care about that, she liked the sound byte.

Also - having events specifically to EXCLUDE people above a given net worth is a very stupid pissing match for Dems.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2019, 01:38:51 AM
LOL, not a word of what she said was inaccurate nor insincere. I wonder if the both of you are using words too big for your conservative turned neo liberal minds.

It was accurate that he held a fundraiser in a wine cave. I'm guessing that despite what that woman who is just a regular old person with access to the Washington Post, claims there was at least one billionaire there given that the claim was not disputed by Pete or anyone else at the debate or since.

It was sincere because she doesn't hold events of that nature; Pete does, Sleepy Joe does, Booker does, and Bloomberg and Patrick definitely will. No one says that people of privilege shouldn't have a voice, but they shouldn't have access to politicians that others don't. Klo did an event in someone's living room here last night. The CEO of Principal Financial Group lives 10 minutes away, I'm sure they all would have loved to have him there. Everyone says they want money out of politics, not everyone actually means it.

It was insincere because Warren implied Pete’s focus through the event was catering to billionaires instead of regular people. This was a fancy event where net worth did not determine access. But she didn’t care about that, she liked the sound byte.

Also - having events specifically to EXCLUDE people above a given net worth is a very stupid pissing match for Dems.

Offense taken, but this is really stupid. The event was not catered to regular people, give me a break, man. You and that dude who wrote the post article are so far removed from what regular people are, that I have to wonder what world you are living in. Either that or you just didn't read that article or anything else associated with this, which I'm guessing is the case. Net worth very well may not have been a determining factor, but access to a very small circle certainly was. No one reading this board wouldn't have been invited. The author of the article is the VP of a health care company, again with access to the Washington Post editors. The party was hosted by the former Ambassador to Austria. A dean of a community college system, a former flight attendant, who I'm guessing wasn't there alone, a gentleman who lives in the Bay Area but has the means to send his daughter to Georgetown, and a councilwoman of a bay area city were the people who this Pete supporter listed as some of the attendees. Do any of these people scream "regular person" to you? Do any of these people relate to the "fine midwesterners of South Bend" that Pete often refers to? When Bloomberg gets in, he won't be made to be embarrassed because he isn't duplicitous. Frankly Joe Biden gets away with this bullshit, he's probably worse than Pete about trying to position himself as an everyman but is just a massive corporate whore stuffed like a pinata with special interest cash. 

I don't know what your last sentence even means. Are you saying that positioning yourself as a democratic candidate that can't be brought is a foolish stand to take? If so LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL. Every presidential canididate ever wants to show that they can't be compromised by money. Drain the swamp mean anything to you? Even a rich dullard knew to at least pretend that he was beholden to the common man and not to corporate interests.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 23, 2019, 10:39:46 AM
Yeah anyone with a brain wants a candidate uncompromised by money unless they’re the one with the deep pockets.  But holding campaign events in living rooms and taking care to make sure you’re not caught in a photo together with billionaire is just more marketing for Democratic rubes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 23, 2019, 11:15:51 AM
Yeah anyone with a brain wants a candidate uncompromised by money unless they’re the one with the deep pockets.  But holding campaign events in living rooms and taking care to make sure you’re not caught in a photo together with billionaire is just more marketing for Democratic rubes.

It is very transparent that the people making these types of arguments are actually perfectly comfortable with the status quo and actually don’t want anything to change. They make standing on any sort of principle seem naive, or hypocritical or self-defeating. They make these smug arguments because even they know that saying what they truly believe is unpalatable.

It is why Trump and Dax can’t shut up about wind energy killing birds and Pete is desperate to let everyone know that actually this is no big deal and anyone (that donated $2,800) could’ve been there including non-millionaire health insurance VP’s and their community college professor partner. Nothing to see here, move along, nothing can ever be better just accept that.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 23, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
With there being a lot of homes in america and only so much time, how should it be decided which ones get visits?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 23, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
How about find a poor person who happens to agree on an issue with your rich donor and then go to that poor person's house along with the rich donor?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 23, 2019, 11:54:29 AM
Hold the event in a trailer park cul de sac
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 23, 2019, 12:16:58 PM
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Lmfao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 23, 2019, 01:21:32 PM
Yeah anyone with a brain wants a candidate uncompromised by money unless they’re the one with the deep pockets.  But holding campaign events in living rooms and taking care to make sure you’re not caught in a photo together with billionaire is just more marketing for Democratic rubes.

It is very transparent that the people making these types of arguments are actually perfectly comfortable with the status quo and actually don’t want anything to change. They make standing on any sort of principle seem naive, or hypocritical or self-defeating. They make these smug arguments because even they know that saying what they truly believe is unpalatable.

It is why Trump and Dax can’t shut up about wind energy killing birds and Pete is desperate to let everyone know that actually this is no big deal and anyone (that donated $2,800) could’ve been there including non-millionaire health insurance VP’s and their community college professor partner. Nothing to see here, move along, nothing can ever be better just accept that.

It’s very transparent that people lodging these types of critiques are self righteous dweebs who would rather feel better about themselves than witness positive changes around them.

I am 100% in favor of abolishing private money in campaign finance. I’m also in favor of a million other things that a halfway decent president could actually accomplish if they focus on what’s doable instead of what sure would be nice.

I also know that if I were running for president I would have no qualms accepting all the super PAC money that is offered me even though I would also openly support shutting that crap down as president. I have no idea why that is viewed as a problematic position. I also support higher taxes even though I’m currently paying the tax rate and itemizing deductions for maximum benefit, so come at me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
My God you are dense. There's no need to continue this conversation given you reposition your argument with every single post. You favor campaign finance reform but it's dumb for actual politicians to have the same opinion because it's impossible for the current system to change. Never mind, the system as it is now is less than 15 years old.

Also your "I don't think super pacs should exist, but I'd take their money" stance just shows, like Pete, your convictions are for sale. You're a whore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 23, 2019, 02:42:55 PM
Actually, it shows that I appreciate a level of nuance that you want to pretend doesn’t exist. You can advocate for change in the rules while simultaneously playing within the existing rules.

What about my taxes analogy? Do you think higher income individuals should be paying more? And do you currently pay more in order to be consistent with that position?

You seem to believe that accepting money from someone makes you subservient to them. That is the position that I would consider dense.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 23, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
An roughly analogous argument is the one that criticizes Bernie and Warren for being rich while they advocate for socialist policies. If they want to live in that world why don’t they just give up their money to the government now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 23, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Well both of those arguments are for sure dumb as crap so they have that in common.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 23, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
Xpost Common ground!

:cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 23, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
https://twitter.com/aaronmehta/status/1209189983090860033?s=21

Damn! I wonder why aerospace lobbyists are pumped for Pete?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 23, 2019, 09:25:04 PM
An roughly analogous argument is the one that criticizes Bernie and Warren for being rich while they advocate for socialist policies. If they want to live in that world why don’t they just give up their money to the government now?

Why in the eff do you think a candidate with "socialist policies" needs to be poor.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2019, 11:34:42 PM
An roughly analogous argument is the one that criticizes Bernie and Warren for being rich while they advocate for socialist policies. If they want to live in that world why don’t they just give up their money to the government now?

 :ROFL: holy crap, you almost got me
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
Actually, it shows that I appreciate a level of nuance that you want to pretend doesn’t exist. You can advocate for change in the rules while simultaneously playing within the existing rules.

What about my taxes analogy? Do you think higher income individuals should be paying more? And do you currently pay more in order to be consistent with that position?

You seem to believe that accepting money from someone makes you subservient to them. That is the position that I would consider dense.

[redacted] stop conflating regular people crap, with presidential politics. My God these analogies are stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 23, 2019, 11:58:24 PM
I'm definitely pro-catastrophe and anti self-flagellating hubris, in this instance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2019, 01:46:33 AM
LOL at anyone arguing over whether someone with a million dollars is "rich" when we live in a society with individuals that are worth upwards of 100 billion dollars
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2019, 08:08:38 AM
I don’t think a lot of the population understands the massive band of the 1%, or really how much money a billion dollars is, or the difference between wealth and income and the tax on both.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 24, 2019, 08:20:05 AM
I understand, SD.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 24, 2019, 10:37:04 AM
LOL at anyone arguing over whether someone with a million dollars is "rich" when we live in a society with individuals that are worth upwards of 100 billion dollars

LOL at anyone arguing about whether someone with $100k is rich when we live in a society with individuals that are worth zero dollars.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2019, 10:50:12 AM
The irony is that people in the upper middle class have WAY more in common with people living below the poverty line than they do with the 1%. America's brand of merito-capitalism has tricked them into thinking otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 24, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
The irony is that people in the upper middle class have WAY more in common with people living below the poverty line than they do with the 1%. America's brand of merito-capitalism has tricked them into thinking otherwise.

Eh. The 1% has a household income above $420k. I am a lot closer to that than I am to a homeless person.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
The 1% is a giant band though. The majority of the 1% are the employed and share little in common with the truly rich. A lot of the rhetoric about “billionaires shouldn’t exist” and things like that are used by politicians to scare Joe Bottom End Of The 1% into thinking libs want to take what he has worked for and give it to the poor. Which isn’t the case. At least any more-so than his money is being taken and given to farmers currently.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 24, 2019, 12:56:39 PM
I don't know if it's a Judeo-Christian society thing or what, but it's interesting to me how most rich people outright reject the notion that they are rich.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
The 1% is a giant band though. The majority of the 1% are the employed and share little in common with the truly rich. A lot of the rhetoric about “billionaires shouldn’t exist” and things like that are used by politicians to scare Joe Bottom End Of The 1% into thinking libs want to take what he has worked for and give it to the poor. Which isn’t the case. At least any more-so than his money is being taken and given to farmers currently.


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I mean a more progressive tax structure I'd think would be a goal of most Democrats, at least I'd be surprised it wasn't. Honestly I haven't delved into the details.

I was talking about the wealth tax but agree. I also don't think a wealth tax is viable but that's what they are talking about when they say "billionaires shouldn't exist". No top end tax, even at 100%, is going to change the mega wealthy's wealth. And those 1%'ers making $420k a year aren't even in that top end tax bracket (which is only 37%).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on December 24, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
I don't know if it's a Judeo-Christian society thing or what, but it's interesting to me how most rich people outright reject the notion that they are rich.

Very timely, I watched this last night:

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 24, 2019, 01:24:30 PM
I don't know if it's a Judeo-Christian society thing or what, but it's interesting to me how most rich people outright reject the notion that they are rich.

I don't think it has anything to do with religion. Peoples' concept of what "rich" is differs. And for individuals, it differs over time. Stupid (but still really smart) 18-year-old Spracne would have considered 30-year-old Spracne "rich". But I know I'm not rich. Part of it is, when you progress in your career, you end up being exposed to people who are truly wealthy. And as you advance, you find that among your new peer group, you're not crap. With very few exceptions, everyone is always looking "up" at someone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2019, 01:25:44 PM
going on an OT tangent here but another mumped up tax thing is that people stop paying into social security on earnings over $133k. people are like, "we can't fund social security after 20XX!" well, tax every dollar and just drop that index factor down to tiny little baby numbers. idiots.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
I don't know if it's a Judeo-Christian society thing or what, but it's interesting to me how most rich people outright reject the notion that they are rich.

I don't think it has anything to do with religion. Peoples' concept of what "rich" is differs. And for individuals, it differs over time. Stupid (but still really smart) 18-year-old Spracne would have considered 30-year-old Spracne "rich". But I know I'm not rich. Part of it is, when you progress in your career, you end up being exposed to people who are truly wealthy. And as you advance, you find that among your new peer group, you're not crap. With very few exceptions, everyone is always looking "up" at someone.

this is accurate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 24, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
going on an OT tangent here but another mumped up tax thing is that people stop paying into social security on earnings over $133k. people are like, "we can't fund social security after 20XX!" well, tax every dollar and just drop that index factor down to tiny little baby numbers. idiots.

I don't understand that myself, but I don't complain.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 24, 2019, 03:13:58 PM
People that concern troll over social security and the post office budget are scum of the earth
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 24, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
I don't know if it's a Judeo-Christian society thing or what, but it's interesting to me how most rich people outright reject the notion that they are rich.

I don't think it has anything to do with religion. Peoples' concept of what "rich" is differs. And for individuals, it differs over time. Stupid (but still really smart) 18-year-old Spracne would have considered 30-year-old Spracne "rich". But I know I'm not rich. Part of it is, when you progress in your career, you end up being exposed to people who are truly wealthy. And as you advance, you find that among your new peer group, you're not crap. With very few exceptions, everyone is always looking "up" at someone.

this is accurate.

Yep. “Rich” is always relative. And most people use the term as a proxy to mean the thing they’re striving for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
The social security max is kinda messed up. I've had a couple coworkers who just assumed everyone at the lunch table made enough to not pay social security the last few paychecks (and they were clearly wrong based on the reactions they got)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 24, 2019, 09:15:56 PM
rough ridin' neo-liberals. I'm dead ass when I say this but our country would be no better off with this guy as president. His motivation for being president is exactly that of Trump's, it's an ego play and a ploy to hold on to what's his.

This is despicable, can't wait for the other neo libs on here to justify this.
https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1209518273546637313
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on December 25, 2019, 06:17:52 AM
He's another rich eff who wants to control the country for his betterment.  The rich fucks have seen what Trump has done, so they figure they can too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 26, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1210192402792747008
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
these things are not mutually exclusive like they paint them. I think a lot of the heat he gets about mckinsey is people just not understanding wtf mckinsey is/does. and obviously doesn't help that he's NDA to talk about it in detail.

https://twitter.com/cathleendecker/status/1210938442697175040
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 28, 2019, 01:43:06 PM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2019, 01:54:12 PM
Well, he was almost certainly working on those decisions. That’s what they do. Even their green people.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 28, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
Well I guess anyone with a salaried job at a major company is going to be “working on” billion dollar decisions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2019, 02:20:04 PM
It’s not absolutely unique to McKinsey but it’s pretty much 100% of what they do.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 28, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
Well besides the fact that he was probably involved in fixing the price of bread in Canada and a CIA asset. Nothing unusual about Pete’s time at McKinsey.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2019, 10:21:46 PM
Well besides the fact that he was probably involved in fixing the price of bread in Canada and a CIA asset. Nothing unusual about Pete’s time at McKinsey.

 :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 28, 2019, 10:26:22 PM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions. It's the hallmark of being a professional. As an aside, I was about to respond to this thinking it was a TBT post. Woof.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 28, 2019, 10:33:03 PM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.

I do this with all the stupid talking points. You just haven’t noticed cause you really don’t like Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2019, 11:16:33 PM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions.

Oh, no crap?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120722163697356805/5e41UcE2_400x400.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2019, 11:18:39 PM
I don't understand the Pete hate, he is the best dem candidate by quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 29, 2019, 12:13:56 AM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions.

Oh, no crap?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120722163697356805/5e41UcE2_400x400.png)
It doesn't seem so obvious to some...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions.

Oh, no crap?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120722163697356805/5e41UcE2_400x400.png)
It doesn't seem so obvious to some...

Doesn't seem like the conversation that most were having on this topic. Thank you for letting all of us know that you don't have to agree with your employer though, we'll carry that with us forever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on December 29, 2019, 12:35:00 AM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions.

Oh, no crap?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120722163697356805/5e41UcE2_400x400.png)
It doesn't seem so obvious to some...

Doesn't seem like the conversation that most were having on this topic. Thank you for letting all of us know that you don't have to agree with your employer though, we'll carry that with us forever.
Do you have a drinking problem? I'm being serious.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 29, 2019, 12:57:15 AM
strike one spracne, no drinking problem. Whats the next best logical explanation?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2019, 02:35:10 AM
Glad he’s being more honest about it now. Who actually thought fresh out of college Pete was making billion dollar decisions?

My God, you're the moderate version of dax. Why put on the clown makeup for a long shot candidate? You've become a weird parody, it's okay to like Pete but not have your tongue all the way up his ass, he isn't Jesus.
It is OK to have a job where you don't 100% agree with your clients' decisions.

Oh, no crap?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120722163697356805/5e41UcE2_400x400.png)
It doesn't seem so obvious to some...

Doesn't seem like the conversation that most were having on this topic. Thank you for letting all of us know that you don't have to agree with your employer though, we'll carry that with us forever.
Do you have a drinking problem? I'm being serious.

I do, I'm a massive drunk.

Now can we get back to Pete being caught painting his work for this seemingly innocuous employer in a different light to suit different situations, or do we have to listen to more life lessons from you about a topic we hashed out in November? Who cares whether or not his beliefs aligns closely with McKinsey? Hell we don't even know what he did there, he seemingly doesn't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 29, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
kick save! and a beauty!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on December 29, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Now can we get back to Pete being caught painting his work for this seemingly innocuous employer in a different light to suit different situations

I've got some bad news about politicians or really anyone who's trying to get a new position.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on December 29, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Now can we get back to Pete being caught painting his work for this seemingly innocuous employer in a different light to suit different situations

I've got some bad news about politicians or really anyone who's trying to get a new position.
Lol, no crap
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2019, 01:21:09 PM
Maybe it’s because I have a little thing called integrity, but the descriptions on my resume for prior jobs come straight from the employer provided job descriptions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 29, 2019, 02:18:01 PM
Would anyone vote for a Bernie with Pete as VP?  :shy:

no.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 29, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
I don't understand the Pete hate, he is the best dem candidate by quite a bit.

he does seem like the dem candidate most likely to continue building the wall.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on December 29, 2019, 03:19:15 PM
Pete is a DINO.  The progressive crowd at gE.c appears to have sniffed that out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 29, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Pete Derangement Syndrome smdh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2019, 05:59:50 PM
Pete has the moderate flavors I crave


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 29, 2019, 09:02:32 PM
Pete is a DINO.  The progressive crowd at gE.c appears to have sniffed that out.

I actually don't believe that at all. He seems to have trouble being forthright, which makes me question if he's as progressive as his policy statements make him out to be. BTW he isn't, he's an Obama moderate, which is fine for a lot of the Democratic party, and even a good number of recently disillusioned Republicans, his brand of politics just aren't for me when I have a buffet of options.

If it weren't for catastrophe's sloppy felating, I probably wouldn't have much to say about Pete at all. SD clearly supports Pete, but he doesn't take it to MAGA levels of idolatry like cat does.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2019, 11:22:19 PM
Bring me stupid talking points of other candidates and I’ll fellate like you’ve never seen fellating before, you massive drunk
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 30, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
I had never heard the term Democratic Socialism until Bernie used it. I’ve always just considered it to mean whatever Bernie’s platform is.

That does remind me of a stupid article I read about how Bernie was wrong to hold up places like Denmark as a model for his policies because they’re not actually socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on December 30, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1211463167332761600?s=20

Mayo Pete educating young minds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 30, 2019, 11:05:29 PM
when people find out that self-proclaimed democratic socialist, bernie sanders, is actually nothing but a goddamned social democrat, his campaign is finished.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on December 30, 2019, 11:08:02 PM
Mayo Pete educating young minds.

even ted cruz dunked on his lying [redacted] ass.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 31, 2019, 08:36:03 AM
when people find out that self-proclaimed democratic socialist, bernie sanders, is actually nothing but a goddamned social democrat, his campaign is finished.

All of the terms and stuff are a bit pointless when you are talking about the context of the US son 2019. I mean Richard Nixon or Hubert Humphrey would both be well to the left of Trump on tons of issues.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 31, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
Biden says he might run with an unspecified republican on his ticket.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 31, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
when people find out that self-proclaimed democratic socialist, bernie sanders, is actually nothing but a goddamned social democrat, his campaign is finished.

All of the terms and stuff are a bit pointless when you are talking about the context of the US son 2019. I mean Richard Nixon or Hubert Humphrey would both be well to the left of Trump on tons of issues.

I think it's relevant if a longterm/medium term goal is to end capitalism. :dunno: but I get the idea if the short term policies are similar what's the real difference. I guess it seems like a big difference to me.

Well, Bernie is 78 years old. Nobody that old has long term goals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on December 31, 2019, 11:13:28 AM
Idk, receiving endorsements from DSA leads me to believe that he does or maybe they're just co opting Bernie as some of their goals are in alignment, but why the cold shoulder to Elizabeth? I mean there's a distinction between them apparently.

I guess this is a non issue, but it seems to be pretty foundational and relevant. I don't really understand it well enough, would love to hear other's opinions to understand it.

DSA advocate for somewhere between the Labour platform in the UK and Finnish welfare state. Come on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBoIton/status/1211831027313852416?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 01:56:56 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on December 31, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 02:00:51 PM
That actually is they type of crap McKinsey does though. Also put sticky notes on hundreds of square miles of off white movable office walls.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on December 31, 2019, 07:19:48 PM
Lolololol

https://twitter.com/ajmikulak/status/1212147705809702914
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 07:50:05 PM
That actually is they type of crap McKinsey does though. Also put sticky notes on hundreds of square miles of off white movable office walls.


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rough ridin' bernie bros: WHAT KIND OF MILITARY SKETCHY crap WAS PETE DOING!?

pete irl: on this wall we're going to write down and post our immediate feelings when you hear whatever word we say. Ready? Annuity.....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
Iraq person: McKinsey people, thank you for coming. We have government funding so we just pay whatever and can waste it on your ass faces. Anyway, let's get down to it.

McKinsey chud in Iraq: Ok, we're here to solve for the integration of hired gun fuckwads from the US, and Army reservists, and contractors, and just whatever. How about we start with writing the "problems" we have with the current structure? We'll go around the room and everyone gets 10 minutes to talk about and post their sticky note to the wall.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 08:02:53 PM
McKinsey chud in Iraq: Wow, this was a really great and productive day. I know you're all wore out and want to get out of here but before you do I want to tell each of you...your opinion matters. What we did here today, no matter how uncomfortable it was, we got better. Let's agree to come back tomorrow with new ideas, and new energy, and take it to the next level. OK?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 08:06:45 PM
they actually bring a shitload of market research with them to go with their shitty project management stuff. that's what you irl pay for. Like, "your 4 biggest competitors do X, Y, Z". That's why everyone who ever works there is NDA. They have shitloads of data on what every fortune 500 is doing everywhere. Everyone making a deal of Pete working with anyone he worked for and he not talking about it is lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on December 31, 2019, 09:47:39 PM
MIR is coming for you
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 01, 2020, 07:44:51 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 01, 2020, 08:46:48 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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I agree with all of this, just add in that he coached up the guy from the Informer to fix the bread prices for the grocery chain in Canada.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on January 01, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
I should go work for McKinsey. I am great at that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 01, 2020, 10:45:36 AM
You wouldn’t make it a week at McKinsey without punching multiple people IMO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 01, 2020, 11:27:59 AM
I could never say “it’s a [my work] thing” which sounds like a disqualifying factor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 01, 2020, 12:10:47 PM
Ok let’s go over to the obstacle parking lot, this sticky notes says “sunni scum” ok. Mr. Al-Sadr can you start by telling us some specifics...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2020, 10:58:18 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 01, 2020, 10:59:32 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh boo rough ridin' hoo. Wahhhh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 01, 2020, 11:01:19 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 01, 2020, 11:07:00 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Bernie is endearing because he is genuine. Wouldn't be a good president, though (but better than Trump). Elsewise, who's your pick? Liz? Frickin Biden?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2020, 11:10:51 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Bernie is endearing because he is genuine. Wouldn't be a good president, though (but better than Trump). Elsewise, who's your pick? Liz? Frickin Biden?

You okay? :drink:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on January 02, 2020, 02:48:46 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Bernie is endearing because he is genuine. Wouldn't be a good president, though (but better than Trump). Elsewise, who's your pick? Liz? Frickin Biden?
Why would Bernie not be a good president? Too progressive?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 07:46:23 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Bernie is endearing because he is genuine. Wouldn't be a good president, though (but better than Trump). Elsewise, who's your pick? Liz? Frickin Biden?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/01/bernie-sanders-raised-34point5-million-in-4q-in-2020-democratic-primary.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/01/bernie-sanders-raised-34point5-million-in-4q-in-2020-democratic-primary.html)

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106207101-1572264314938rts2t5ab.jpg?v=1572264369&w=630&h=354)

$34.5 Million      5 million donors




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$24.5 million



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
RIP to my guy Julian. Hope he makes a better run next time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:

lol, eff context
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 09:56:33 AM
RIP to my guy Julian. Hope he makes a better run next time.

First one I'm happy to see go. bye bich
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 10:07:48 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:

lol, eff context

I quoted the whole entire post
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.
Oh, Pete is a politician not named Bernie (unelectable)? You don't say?!

 :confused:
Bernie is endearing because he is genuine. Wouldn't be a good president, though (but better than Trump). Elsewise, who's your pick? Liz? Frickin Biden?
Why would Bernie not be a good president? Too progressive?

He is too old.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 02, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
The good news is that boomers can't avoid dying in the way they've avoided retiring.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
we've got two sexy ass moderates left.

Biden: Bad because he's old AF.
Pete: Bad because he's inexperienced AF.
Both are bad because they have no real policy positions imo. Joe is at least strapped to his (some anyway) by his years of positioning himself on the issues.

Of the two I guess I'd lean Pete because I'm basically fine with a cabinet of actual smart people mining data to find the best/most well received policies. I'd probably run on that and not pick a policy position as you go because you should be honest with those voting for you that you may change that position soon depending on how the next twitter poll comes out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2020, 11:27:16 AM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2020, 11:28:28 AM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 11:33:34 AM
Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 02, 2020, 11:46:46 AM
a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 01:35:51 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:

lol, eff context

I quoted the whole entire post

Pro Publica published that article because of Pete. This message board is 11 years old, the word McKinsey didn't appear until a month ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.

His policy positions on his website and the positions he's taken during debates say otherwise. I don't know how you could possibly be moderate while supporting ubi, kinda informs everything else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 02, 2020, 01:46:00 PM
Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.

His policy positions on his website and the positions he's taken during debates say otherwise. I don't know how you could possibly be moderate while supporting ubi, kinda informs everything else.
Yang’s views are pretty radical, but UBI is the only thing off the top of my head which I would consider as far left. He doesn’t fit neatly on an L to R line
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 01:46:28 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:

lol, eff context

I quoted the whole entire post

Pro Publica published that article because of Pete. This message board is 11 years old, the word McKinsey didn't appear until a month ago.

Well no crap. And you posted the article because you let yourself fall for the same stupid talking point since you already disliked Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 01:54:51 PM
Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.

His policy positions on his website and the positions he's taken during debates say otherwise. I don't know how you could possibly be moderate while supporting ubi, kinda informs everything else.
Yang’s views are pretty radical, but UBI is the only thing off the top of my head which I would consider as far left. He doesn’t fit neatly on an L to R line

Yeah pretty much this. MIR is conflating moderate with conservative. When I use it I’m conflating it more with being independent. Being a moderate/independent doesn’t necessarily mean you are afraid of rocking the boat, it means you don’t buy in too hard on what either of the major parties are selling. If forced to put it on a Left-Right scale I would be a Centrist.

And UBI looks kind of like welfare, which sounds progressive, but if you view it as an alternative to welfare then I think it actually falls closer to the center than most people give it credit for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 02, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
To be clear, I don’t think Yang is a moderate
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 02:44:19 PM
I don’t think any of the Dem candidates are moderate other than Biden. Some are more moderate than others tho.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2020, 02:46:02 PM
I don’t think any of the Dem candidates are moderate other than Biden. Some are more moderate than others tho.

All of the candidates but Sanders and Warren are pretty moderate, imo.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
They mainly seem moderate because of Sanders and Warren. Bernie did a lot to pull the Democratic platform to the left in 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
They mainly seem moderate because of Sanders and Warren. Bernie did a lot to pull the Democratic platform to the left in 2016.

Maybe they just look left of moderate because the right is holding kids in detention centers and calling klansmen good people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 03:35:29 PM
You’re not wrong
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 02, 2020, 05:00:54 PM
a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

We kind of do it here with respect to hiring or opining on head coaches based on what their staff will consist of.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 05:37:05 PM
a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that their system produces better results.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 02, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that their system produces better results.

It is certainly more transparent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 07:12:20 PM
I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


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Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 :blush:

lol, eff context

I quoted the whole entire post

Pro Publica published that article because of Pete. This message board is 11 years old, the word McKinsey didn't appear until a month ago.

Well no crap. And you posted the article because you let yourself fall for the same stupid talking point since you already disliked Pete.

I already disliked Pete? Interesting, this makes your clumsy defense of him make a bit more sense. I don't dislike Pete, I simply don't trust him, there's a difference. I literally defended him on the previous page. He campaigned for Obama in Iowa before anyone knew who he was, I don't doubt he's a liberal. I want him to stop with the everyman act, he's the only candidate left doing it and I can't help think it's because of immaturity or naivete.

You're also wrong as to my motivation for posting the article, I've told you a half dozen times. Either you're too stupid to understand or you're just being dishonest, which is definitely the case, so I'm just not going to discuss it with you anymore. I am discussing how he's changed how he formed the nature of what he did there, you want to have a discussion about what the firm is, I'm not interested in having that conversation as it's completely irrelevant to my point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.

His policy positions on his website and the positions he's taken during debates say otherwise. I don't know how you could possibly be moderate while supporting ubi, kinda informs everything else.
Yang’s views are pretty radical, but UBI is the only thing off the top of my head which I would consider as far left. He doesn’t fit neatly on an L to R line

Yeah pretty much this. MIR is conflating moderate with conservative. When I use it I’m conflating it more with being independent.

There's nothing I said in those two sentences that should have led you to this conclusion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 02, 2020, 08:17:44 PM
You're also wrong as to my motivation for posting the article, I've told you a half dozen times. Either you're too stupid to understand or you're just being dishonest, which is definitely the case, so I'm just not going to discuss it with you anymore. I am discussing how he's changed how he formed the nature of what he did there, you want to have a discussion about what the firm is, I'm not interested in having that conversation as it's completely irrelevant to my point.

What part of the article you posted supports this point?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2020, 11:40:43 PM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on January 03, 2020, 03:30:07 AM
we've got two sexy ass moderates left.

Biden: Bad because he's old AF.
Pete: Bad because he's inexperienced AF.
Both are bad because they have no real policy positions imo. Joe is at least strapped to his (some anyway) by his years of positioning himself on the issues.

Of the two I guess I'd lean Pete because I'm basically fine with a cabinet of actual smart people mining data to find the best/most well received policies. I'd probably run on that and not pick a policy position as you go because you should be honest with those voting for you that you may change that position soon depending on how the next twitter poll comes out.
Is Cory Booker not moderate?



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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 03, 2020, 06:49:00 AM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?

Please measure in Disney trips.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2020, 07:28:15 AM
Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?

Please measure in Disney trips.

1 Disney trip per based on net income. And an additional 20 Disney trips for impact to my retirement age.


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 08:03:05 AM
Yeah I don’t think Bernie’s single payer system would necessarily cost me more when balancing taxes vs health care costs, but taking away my tax shelter HSA would be quite a blow.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2020, 08:08:43 AM
Yeah I don’t think Bernie’s single payer system would necessarily cost me more when balancing taxes vs health care costs, but taking away my tax shelter HSA would be quite a blow.
Holy crap how much do you have in an HSA and what do you think will happen to it

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 08:12:12 AM
It’s not that much right now, but if I keep putting in the max it will be in 30 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2020, 08:28:16 AM
It’s not that much right now, but if I keep putting in the max it will be in 30 years.

You know you have to spend that tax free money on healthcare, right? Sounds like Bernie might give you a good opportunity to find a better loophole.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2020, 08:30:23 AM
no you don't
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2020, 08:38:45 AM
no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 08:46:08 AM
no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.

I don’t want to muck up the thread, but this is a passion of mine, so just two points here:

1. If I pay healthcare costs out of pocket now, I can reimburse later down the road and let the (invested) HSA funds grow tax free in the interim.

2. After like age 60 (or something) HSAs basically convert into IRAs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 08:49:39 AM
#3 is I’m sure I’m gonna have plenty of healthcare expenses in retirement anyway, so having an account dedicated to covering those expenses is still a pretty major part of a retirement plan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2020, 08:59:43 AM
no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.

I don’t want to muck up the thread, but this is a passion of mine, so just two points here:

1. If I pay healthcare costs out of pocket now, I can reimburse later down the road and let the (invested) HSA funds grow tax free in the interim.

2. After like age 60 (or something) HSAs basically convert into IRAs.

catastrophe you need a new hobby and Bernie can help you find it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
catastrophe you need a new hobby and Bernie can help you find it

I think he'd enjoy spending that money a whole lot more now than he would when he's over 65! Old people seem to be more into just sitting around at home, which is very inexpensive. Also, he might die between now and then!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 10:17:32 AM
I feel personally attacked.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.

Even outside of just scamming it you can draw on it like any other retirement fund with no penalty when you are old AF.

Disclaimer: HSA has no bearing on my personal Disney vacation budget.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
we've got two sexy ass moderates left.

Biden: Bad because he's old AF.
Pete: Bad because he's inexperienced AF.
Both are bad because they have no real policy positions imo. Joe is at least strapped to his (some anyway) by his years of positioning himself on the issues.

Of the two I guess I'd lean Pete because I'm basically fine with a cabinet of actual smart people mining data to find the best/most well received policies. I'd probably run on that and not pick a policy position as you go because you should be honest with those voting for you that you may change that position soon depending on how the next twitter poll comes out.
Is Cory Booker not moderate?



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If he actually makes it to the Iowa caucuses, he'll drop out the day after New Hampshire.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2020, 11:10:57 AM
For some reason I thought Booker had already dropped out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 03, 2020, 11:25:11 AM
He didn’t qualify for the last debate. In most people’s minds that’s the same as game over.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2020, 12:52:49 PM
He's said that he's going to stay in through Iowa. His internal polling here is better than what the other polls are showing and he's hoping for a top 5 finish that he can sell as momentum.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on January 03, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
Q4 fundraising rankings:

Amount Raised
1. Sanders: $34.5 million
2. Buttigieg: $24.7 million
3. Biden: $22.7 million
4. Warren: $21.2 million
5. Yang: $16.5 million
6. Klobuchar: $11.4 million
7. Booker: $6.6 million
8. Gabbard: $3.4 million


Percentage Increase Over Third Quarter
1. Klobuchar: 137.50%
2. Yang: 65.00%
3. Biden: 44.59%
4. Sanders: 36.36%
5. Buttigieg: 28.65%
6. Gabbard: 13.33%
7. Booker: 10.00%
8. Warren: -14.17%
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
who do you think is donating money to a Booker or Klobuchar campaign? Gabbard/Yang at least has the fringe weirdo money which I can understand. But to just straight back a known loser as a supposedly coherent non-crazy person? what gives?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 01:14:39 AM
who do you think is donating money to a Booker or Klobuchar campaign? Gabbard/Yang at least has the fringe weirdo money which I can understand. But to just straight back a known loser as a supposedly coherent non-crazy person? what gives?

See my post above about the hope they are peddling, both are still on the "Obama was down big in Iowa too." Klo, like Booker, will likely be gone after New Hampshire. Although Klo might dip earlier if Yang and/or Booker beats her in Iowa.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 01:16:50 AM
The Yang Gang are ruining twitter on MAGA levels. Their sole purpose in life is to whine about opinion pieces in the media. I saw one dude accuse NPR of election rigging because one of their writers said Yang doesn't have a path to victory.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 04, 2020, 02:57:29 AM
that klobuchar fundraising number is pretty legit.  if anyone outside of the top four gets delegates in iowa, it'll be her.  like buttigieg, she has no path past ia and nh, though.  dead end candidates.

also, lol @ sanders destroying warren's fundraising.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 04, 2020, 06:52:01 AM
Who is gonna win it all sys?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 04, 2020, 07:37:29 AM
The Yang Gang are ruining twitter on MAGA levels. Their sole purpose in life is to whine about opinion pieces in the media. I saw one dude accuse NPR of election rigging because one of their writers said Yang doesn't have a path to victory.
That sounds just like Bernie bros!  But yeah, Yang himself Twitter is pretty great, Yanggang Twitter is awful
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 07:43:27 AM
all I ever see from Yang is cringey fellowkids crap
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 04, 2020, 08:11:00 AM
Was Klobuchar included in the who is/is not a moderate? As far as I can tell, she is the MOST moderate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 08:18:01 AM
Was Klobuchar included in the who is/is not a moderate? As far as I can tell, she is the MOST moderate.

I'd for sure vote for her. I assumed she had a Booker chance and don't consider her in any list similar to Booker.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 04, 2020, 09:09:38 AM
Klob probably seems the most moderate because there isn’t really anything about her policies that stand out over the other candidates. Pete won the race to the “let’s focus on progressive policies that could be implemented in a first term” ground. She’d probably be one of my favs if she staked out that ground earlier, although there are also plenty of rumors about her being straight up awful to staff which is a tiebreaker for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 04, 2020, 09:14:30 AM
I also like Yang for the same reason I liked Bernie in 2016. He’s got some legit ideas that deserve to have a platform. I don’t see him as an actual presidential candidate though, and people complaining about him getting a fair shake this election cycle are delusional.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 09:50:27 AM
Klob probably seems the most moderate because there isn’t really anything about her policies that stand out over the other candidates. Pete won the race to the “let’s focus on progressive policies that could be implemented in a first term” ground. She’d probably be one of my favs if she staked out that ground earlier, although there are also plenty of rumors about her being straight up awful to staff which is a tiebreaker for me.

There was a story or tweet or something about how she was late for a meeting and it was one of her assistants faults and she made the assistant go into the meeting and say that “Klob will be late because I’m a giant idiot” or something like that. lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 04, 2020, 03:13:29 PM
Who is gonna win it all sys?

it looks really good for biden.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
About 50% of the TV ads in Omaha are Tom Steyer ads. wtf


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 09:32:45 PM
The Yang Gang are ruining twitter on MAGA levels. Their sole purpose in life is to whine about opinion pieces in the media. I saw one dude accuse NPR of election rigging because one of their writers said Yang doesn't have a path to victory.
That sounds just like Bernie bros!  But yeah, Yang himself Twitter is pretty great, Yanggang Twitter is awful

Yeah, bernie bros are miserable on twitter too. I have only seen one Joe twitter superfan and he stopped this gem.

https://twitter.com/royaldmd1/status/1213257380789489664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 09:34:43 PM
Klob probably seems the most moderate because there isn’t really anything about her policies that stand out over the other candidates. Pete won the race to the “let’s focus on progressive policies that could be implemented in a first term” ground. She’d probably be one of my favs if she staked out that ground earlier, although there are also plenty of rumors about her being straight up awful to staff which is a tiebreaker for me.

There was a story or tweet or something about how she was late for a meeting and it was one of her assistants faults and she made the assistant go into the meeting and say that “Klob will be late because I’m a giant idiot” or something like that. lmao


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Has the comb story been told here? Baby Klo has some amazing stories about her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 09:41:40 PM
I haven't seen it if it has been. let's hear it!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 09:50:21 PM
I haven't seen it if it has been. let's hear it!

I'm going to link one of the stories instead of retelling it because I also think the video of her talking about it is funny.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/klobuchar-ate-her-salad-comb-report-says-n974746
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 09:53:57 PM
It honestly kind of endears her to me that she's like that. It shouldn't and I can't verbalize why that would be but it's true. maybe because she always looks like she wants to strangle whoever she's looking at and I can think of these types of things and smile.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
It honestly kind of endears her to me that she's like that. It shouldn't and I can't verbalize why that would be but it's true. maybe because she always looks like she wants to strangle whoever she's looking at and I can think of these types of things and smile.

I don't care about any of this stuff, I appreciate women who won't take crap. Eating your salad with a comb then reusing the comb is rough ridin' hilarious. Unfortunately the media doesn't have a sense of humor about this crap and all the stories about tiny klo going off are all embedded in think pieces :Yuck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2020, 10:02:10 PM
yeah, I guess that's what I like about her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 04, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
It is the same reason people either love/hate Bill Lambier or Dennis Rodman.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2020, 10:40:55 PM
Eh...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 04, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
It is the same reason people either love/hate Bill Lambier or Dennis Rodman.

sys, I don't know anything about this lady but change my vote to her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 05, 2020, 02:09:09 AM
It is the same reason people either love/hate Bill Lambier or Dennis Rodman.

sys, I don't know anything about this lady but change my vote to her.

she won't be in the race when washington votes, but she'll probably still be on the ballot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2020, 08:07:46 AM
Who is gonna win it all sys?

it looks really good for biden.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1213786217185234944
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2020, 11:07:50 AM
A Biden/Klobuchar ticket would be for moderates what it was like for metal heads when Metallica and Guns N Roses toured together.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: treysolid on January 05, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
Klob probably seems the most moderate because there isn’t really anything about her policies that stand out over the other candidates. Pete won the race to the “let’s focus on progressive policies that could be implemented in a first term” ground. She’d probably be one of my favs if she staked out that ground earlier, although there are also plenty of rumors about her being straight up awful to staff which is a tiebreaker for me.

There was a story or tweet or something about how she was late for a meeting and it was one of her assistants faults and she made the assistant go into the meeting and say that “Klob will be late because I’m a giant idiot” or something like that. lmao


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That's actually pretty rough ridin' awful leadership.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 05, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
yeah.  the combfork story is nice but the other stuff makes her appear to be a giant piece of crap and if i were trying to choose between candidates, it would be a factor for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 05, 2020, 02:35:59 PM
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LFG!!!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 05, 2020, 10:41:07 PM
You're all over the rough ridin' place, man. Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 06, 2020, 03:09:22 AM
You're all over the rough ridin' place, man. Sheesh.

I’m in the same place I’ve been since I started paying attention to this election.

I would have voted Sanders in 2016.

I was Tulsi 1., Bernie 2. at the outset for 2020 understanding the odds for Gabbard were long. Meaning I’ve always been happy to be Bernie 2020 if he was the nominee. My support for Bernie has grown the more I looked in to him.

I don’t think Gabbard will be in the race when Kansas votes in May. Knowing that I’ll very happily vote for Bernie. He makes the most sense for me (voting in my self interest).

I definitely hope and believe Gabbard will earn a place in Bernie’s cabinet and look forward to future Gabbard Presidential campaigns.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 06, 2020, 09:12:33 AM
You're all over the rough ridin' place, man. Sheesh.

I’m in the same place I’ve been since I started paying attention to this election.

I would have voted Sanders in 2016.

I was Tulsi 1., Bernie 2. at the outset for 2020 understanding the odds for Gabbard were long. Meaning I’ve always been happy to be Bernie 2020 if he was the nominee. My support for Bernie has grown the more I looked in to him.

I don’t think Gabbard will be in the race when Kansas votes in May. Knowing that I’ll very happily vote for Bernie. He makes the most sense for me (voting in my self interest).

I definitely hope and believe Gabbard will earn a place in Bernie’s cabinet and look forward to future Gabbard Presidential campaigns.
Gabbard is just going to go work for FNC
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on January 06, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
i took the isidewith thing and ended up with bloomberg.  we #bloombois now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
You're all over the rough ridin' place, man. Sheesh.

I’m in the same place I’ve been since I started paying attention to this election.

I would have voted Sanders in 2016.

I was Tulsi 1., Bernie 2. at the outset for 2020 understanding the odds for Gabbard were long. Meaning I’ve always been happy to be Bernie 2020 if he was the nominee. My support for Bernie has grown the more I looked in to him.

I don’t think Gabbard will be in the race when Kansas votes in May. Knowing that I’ll very happily vote for Bernie. He makes the most sense for me (voting in my self interest).

I definitely hope and believe Gabbard will earn a place in Bernie’s cabinet and look forward to future Gabbard Presidential campaigns.

I just don't get it man, if that's your ideology range, you are pretty much open to everyone, which is perfectly fine. I just don't get the either or of these two particular candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2020, 02:12:56 PM
Both went on Joe Rogan


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
i took the isidewith thing and ended up with bloomberg.  we #bloombois now.

Only DINO in the race. He'll probably run as an independent after he loses the democratic nomination. Frankly he should have run as a Republican, he would have gotten the biggest bang for his billionaire buck that he's personally fronting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2020, 02:20:54 PM
HAHAHAHAHA! He’s so random!


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1214248838967549952


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 06, 2020, 03:18:04 PM
Yang dropped to #3 on my isidewith quiz. One of his listed attributes was “sense of humor” which apparently some people actually prioritize in determining who they are going to vote for to be president of the rough ridin' country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 06, 2020, 03:26:36 PM
Obama sycophants and Barry himself hate Bernie so very very much.   It's a pickle right now.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 06, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
Yang dropped to #3 on my isidewith quiz. One of his listed attributes was “sense of humor” which apparently some people actually prioritize in determining who they are going to vote for to be president of the rough ridin' country.

Normally, the candidates are mostly mentally stable and something like having actual human characteristics feels more important than it does now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2020, 03:48:53 PM
Yang has 20 yo guy who didn’t go to college hanging out at all the HS party’s energy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2020, 08:43:44 PM
Is this bad? Yang won't be on the Ohio ballot.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/06/politics/andrew-yang-ohio-ballot/index.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2020, 08:50:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/us/politics/julian-castro-endorsement-elizabeth-warren.html
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3mZ8vrKGoS0ritVu/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51ab2b2bf6c01e8db31494ba30feb33baec92f39d0d&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on January 06, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
A Biden/Klobuchar ticket would be for moderates what it was like for metal heads when Metallica and Guns N Roses toured together.

huge gnr fan, but i don't care for metallica
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 06, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
dal9, how good is the gnr song My World? Probably their best ever imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on January 06, 2020, 11:06:26 PM
dal9, how good is the gnr song My World? Probably their best ever imo.

it was ahead of its time and always will be
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on January 07, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
dal9, how good is the gnr song My World? Probably their best ever imo.
my favorite is catcher in the rye.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on January 08, 2020, 02:29:02 AM
dal9, how good is the gnr song My World? Probably their best ever imo.
my favorite is catcher in the rye.

im more of a UYI 1/2 era fan...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTtG5ST4Ag
[/youtube]

that's not to disparage the things they're doing recently...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1pYqxY8Y2g[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2020, 02:53:28 PM
Haha, so random!


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1214987448335446019


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2020, 05:02:42 PM
Haha, so random!


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1214987448335446019


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This could either be about the Ohio ballot thing or missing the January debate, either way, not good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 08, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
he really is a piece of crap.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1214970771275157504
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
he really is a piece of crap.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1214970771275157504
Clearly
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 08, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
Do we have a TLDNR version?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2020, 11:15:24 PM
Do we have a TLDNR version?
It's an old story. Not sure why Sys is clutching his pearls over it, besides his blinding white hatred for Buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 08, 2020, 11:16:44 PM
Do we have a TLDNR version?
It's an old story. Not sure why Sys is clutching his pearls over it, besides his blinding white hatred for Buttigieg.

Thanks.  I have it marked as WILL NOT READ.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 08, 2020, 11:35:31 PM
The TLDR version is Pete fired/demoted a black police chief not long after becoming mayor.

The Root article linked by sys suggests that wasn’t fair.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 08, 2020, 11:38:03 PM
The TLDR version is Pete fired/demoted a black police chief not long after becoming mayor.

The Root article linked by sys suggests that wasn’t fair.

Thanks but still not gonna read.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 09, 2020, 07:47:58 AM
Yeah I didn’t read the whole thing tbh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/smilingobject/status/1215356131532427264


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on January 09, 2020, 02:31:44 PM
According to I side with I'm a Bloomer as well.  That makes me sad.

Maybe I need to answer more questions or weigh their importance or something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2020, 04:17:51 PM
Do we have a TLDNR version?
It's an old story. Not sure why Sys is clutching his pearls over it, besides his blinding white hatred for Buttigieg.

It's because he views black people as more than objects of entertainment and some people actually find systematic racism objectionable.  :dunno:

I did not read the root article because I'm already familiar with the fact that Pete had major donors who used racial slurs when discussing firing this man simply because he was black. I'm also familiar with the fact that Pete actively covered up recorded evidence of this.

What's crazy is that by the accounts of people who are familiar with the evidence, Pete has legitimate plausible deniability, as  the plan was in place to have these guys force the chief out before Pete even had a South Bend campaign. His trouble came with his unwillingness to provide transparency with what happened. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
According to I side with I'm a Bloomer as well.  That makes me sad.

Maybe I need to answer more questions or weigh their importance or something.

t just means you're a pro choice conservative. Those used to be republicans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 09, 2020, 06:59:40 PM
The TLDR version is Pete fired/demoted a black police chief not long after becoming mayor.

The Root article linked by sys suggests that wasn’t fair.

Thanks but still not gonna read.

the tweet i linked is the first in a thread that provides a synopsis of the article.  there's a fair bit that's new.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 12, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1216425086032535552
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2020, 04:26:06 PM
There's been rumors but now that is going to happen, that's huge.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 10:07:05 AM
Booker out

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/cory-booker-drops-out.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 10:44:27 AM
Booker out

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/cory-booker-drops-out.html

Endorsements aren't generally worth crap, but this one and the police will be gigantic endorsements. A Booker or Harris endorsement represents Yang's last best chance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 10:49:00 AM
A Booker Pete ticket has the moderate flavors I crave


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 10:54:35 AM
A Booker Pete ticket has the moderate flavors I crave


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I'd cry in the car.
Do not like.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 13, 2020, 11:03:14 AM
I’d be pretty jazzed if Booker brought his big dad jokes energy and overall likeability to the Pete ticket.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 13, 2020, 11:45:53 AM
Booker seems like a good dude. It would be a shame to see him back known butthole Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
@Kat Kid  :nono:

Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2020, 01:25:34 PM
@Kat Kid  :nono:

Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html
Someone's lying!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 13, 2020, 01:25:46 PM
that checks out so far.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 01:33:07 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2020, 01:36:42 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 13, 2020, 01:43:30 PM
Perfect
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
@Kat Kid  :nono:

Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html
Someone's lying!

He didn't deny saying that, he denied the context. I do think he said it, and I do think the context in which he said it will get twisted. However, the larger point about women and presidential politics also are 100% correct. Klo is also right about Pete.

The article mentioned it but this is coming out now because Warren and her campaign are pissed at Sanders campaign for negatively campaigning against her. She should be pissed about it too. Sanders has a sizeable enough of a following who say and do questionable things that it should be dealt with at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 02:02:03 PM
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LOL, where did you find that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Soccer Grandma  and camp is going to exaggerate and likely flat out lie on issues such as this. 

Keep floating those sexism trial balloons soccer grandma.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
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LOL, where did you find that?

reply on twitter to an article about it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 02:44:24 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 03:02:36 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 13, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
Germany
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 13, 2020, 04:27:18 PM
Goebbels is is pretty great. My personal fave is Shkreli.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
LIB FIGHT!


https://twitter.com/kristenorthman/status/1216879913078329344


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2020, 06:37:35 PM
Meanwhile Joe thinks broads can do anything they set their minds to and has always said so sweetheart


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 13, 2020, 07:11:45 PM
Liz is desperate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2020, 07:36:47 PM
Booker seems like a good dude. It would be a shame to see him back known butthole Pete.

Getting kind of personal, aren't ya.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2020, 07:46:47 PM
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Bots out to get Bernie before the BURN becomes uncontrollable.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2020, 07:50:24 PM
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Donald J Trump and The N-word???  Bullshit...  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 13, 2020, 08:27:49 PM
Meanwhile Joe thinks broads can do anything they set their minds to and has always said so sweetheart


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Whelp, she's another lying bitch.  :lol:   

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 13, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1216802587539841025
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 11:11:51 PM
Liz is desperate.

You know four candidates are all polling within the margin of error in Iowa right? As the board's resident bernie bro, I'd think it'd be decent to try to not be so on brand.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 13, 2020, 11:25:38 PM
Liz is desperate.

You know four candidates are all polling within the margin of error in Iowa right? As the board's resident bernie bro, I'd think it'd be decent to try to not be so on brand.

You come at me so hard. I take it as a badge of honor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 13, 2020, 11:34:23 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 11:47:01 PM
Liz is desperate.

You know four candidates are all polling within the margin of error in Iowa right? As the board's resident bernie bro, I'd think it'd be decent to try to not be so on brand.

You come at me so hard. I take it as a badge of honor.

I'm not coming at you hard. The nexus of what Bernie said is that America isn't ready for a female president, that's not a statement on him but on the country. The bernie bro reaction on twitter and you marginalizing her candidacy is exactly what he was talking about. It's difficult to take her to task for context when some of his vocal supporters seem hell bent on proving them both correct. This is the second time we're dealing with this and Sanders supporters. No one is accusing Pete supporters of the same thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 11:53:12 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences. The only reason I'm caucusing for Liz over Bernie is my concern for his health, but even that is barely different, they're both 70 somethings running for president. Unless Pete or Yang pull some miracle, our president will continue to be the oldest of any world leader of relevance, by far, Putin is the next oldest at 67.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 13, 2020, 11:56:22 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2020, 06:29:28 AM
I think that was Bernies goal when he told Liz that girls can’t be the boss


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2020, 08:34:02 AM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
I think I’m gravitating towards Bloomberg.   The only non whack job left, albeit he’s going to need to explain the allegations of sexism, and his ass kiss approach to China and Xi.  But if he affirms a no regime changes pledge, then I think that seals the deal for me.

I’m sure he’ll be firmly in the bullseye of Lyin Liz.

Bloomberg is the only shot.  Sorry resident enraged socialists. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2020, 09:08:31 AM
What differences between Bloomberg and Trump would make you vote Bloomberg?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 14, 2020, 09:10:26 AM
If you prefer Bloomberg to Trump, you haven't really been a republican since at least 2015.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2020, 09:26:26 AM
I like one of Bloomberg's campaigns, too.

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1217103434647732226
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2020, 10:53:36 AM
Bloomberg is the only hope.   At least two other choices can't even be true as to who they really are (albeit Trump's spending should be a socialists delight).

I think Mike's business acumen will be needed.  Bread Line Bernie and Soccer Grandma won't cut it.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2020, 11:15:16 AM
Bloomberg is the only hope.   At least two other choices can't even be true as to who they really are (albeit Trump's spending should be a socialists delight).

I think Mike's business acumen will be needed.  Bread Line Bernie and Soccer Grandma won't cut it.

What about Bloomberg would make you choose him over Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2020, 11:15:48 AM
Bloomberg is the only hope.   At least two other choices can't even be true as to who they really are (albeit Trump's spending should be a socialists delight).

I think Mike's business acumen will be needed.  Bread Line Bernie and Soccer Grandma won't cut it.

What about Bloomberg would make you choose him over Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on January 14, 2020, 11:23:30 AM
I'm of the opinion that Bloomy doesn't really want to be pres, just wants to force trump to spend a bunch of money and be a pain in his ass
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2020, 11:51:53 AM
Kyle's friends could never understand his admiration for Pol Pot until . . . now:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1217108936551206912?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
Wrong thread bud
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 14, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
Wrong thread bud


Nope . . . bud.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: XocolateThundarr on January 14, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
I'm of the opinion that Bloomy doesn't really want to be pres, just wants to force trump to spend a bunch of money and be a pain in his ass

I think that was Trump's original plan as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 14, 2020, 01:41:36 PM
https://twitter.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1217159213127999490?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2020, 02:17:33 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 14, 2020, 02:28:50 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

Nope, sarcastic.  But it should help people remember that bernie and warren are just politicians like the rest.

I don't think it's arguable that either one of them would have a much greater chance of winning the nomination had they jointly decided from jump which one would run for president and that one likely getting all the support of people who otherwise would've been split between them.  If what they each hoped to achieve as president was their pure goal, they'd have figured something out.  But to each of them (and to the whole field, not just these two), being president is at least a little more important than the principles they're running on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2020, 02:31:39 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:

I thought Warren didn’t make a 2016 run because she thought Hillary was better positioned to win. At least I’m not sure why else she would not have run. I remember Joe’s explanation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on January 14, 2020, 02:34:46 PM
https://twitter.com/WardDPatrick/status/1217160219387744256

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on January 14, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1217159213127999490?s=19

This was my take as well.  I also think if the Dem's aren't willing to broach that subject, they are putting themselves at a disadvantage.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 14, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

I know you stated you are caucusing for Warren, but does it make any sense that Bernie would encourage Warren to run against Hillary (apparently because he thought 2 women could potentially win the presidency!) and then 2 years later be so sexist that he told Warren that she shouldn’t run because a woman couldn’t win?

I also think if you are concerned with electability at all you should think twice about Warren, but the easiest argument against her is that she is a rough ridin' liar and does it pretty regularly as a way to benefit herself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 14, 2020, 05:36:27 PM
I mean him placing alot of weight on the results of the 2016 election with respect to how he views probability of election makes some sense. On the other hand what if he had fully endorsed Hillary enthusiastically earlier?  :dunno:

If the allegation is that Bernie is sexist, it makes no sense. If the allegation is that Bernie reminded Warren that Trump and America are sexist, then what are we talking about?

Bernie has been incredibly supportive of Warren and outright friendly to her and in the past 2 weeks her campaign has gone absolutely cold blooded and cynical once it looked like she might be done. If there is any justice it will be the end of her candidacy.

She should've ran in '16 instead of Bernie, but she was too big a coward.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 14, 2020, 10:40:40 PM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1217299066108948482
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2020, 11:30:35 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:

I thought Warren didn’t make a 2016 run because she thought Hillary was better positioned to win. At least I’m not sure why else she would not have run. I remember Joe’s explanation.

I don't know why she didn't run, but there is no reason to think that there's any truth to this. If anything she wouldn't have run out of deference to Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2020, 11:53:03 PM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

I know you stated you are caucusing for Warren, but does it make any sense that Bernie would encourage Warren to run against Hillary (apparently because he thought 2 women could potentially win the presidency!) and then 2 years later be so sexist that he told Warren that she shouldn’t run because a woman couldn’t win?

I also think if you are concerned with electability at all you should think twice about Warren, but the easiest argument against her is that she is a rough ridin' liar and does it pretty regularly as a way to benefit herself.

I already said that while I do believe that Bernie said this, the context was not "I don't think a woman can be president," but something to the effect of "this country has shown that they aren't ready for a woman as president." No one rational thinks that Bernie is a sexist and I think Sanders supporters know this but are throwing the word sexiest around as a device, either this or y'all are being too emotional to see the very obvious nuance within this conversation.

I will say this, I do think he has a ton of sexists that support him, as do all men running in an election against a woman/women. I didn't think he spoke out enough against this behavior four years ago and he isn't doing it now, and it's calculated.

Now as far as electability, you're correct, Bernie is more electable, but it's simply because of the previously discussed sexism, I'm not going to punish her because some men don't want to vote for a woman, that's ridiculous. They are both 70 something, white people, representing New England as progressives. Both were more conservative when younger. Both favor the absurd medicare for all. I'd venture to guess there haven't been two presidential candidates who are closer in your lifetime, certainly not the same running in the same election.

Even if I buy your "pretty regular lies" line, you act as if Bernie isn't perfect. I'll call Liz a liar if you acknowledge that Bernie didn't and isn't doing enough to control the vitriol that seems to seep out of his campaigns.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 14, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
I'm watching the debate now, the whole Liz/Bernie/Klo exchange was extremely cringe, like all time cringe.

I hate M4A with the heat of a thousand suns, but Warren's plan to involve the government in the manufacture of drugs is a winner.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 14, 2020, 11:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelschwab13/status/1217307970268270592
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:01:21 AM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Is your "surprise" that someone who has presidential aspirations doesn't want to step aside for someone else, actually real? Seems contrived as I don't know you to be naive.

Nope, sarcastic.  But it should help people remember that bernie and warren are just politicians like the rest.

I don't think it's arguable that either one of them would have a much greater chance of winning the nomination had they jointly decided from jump which one would run for president and that one likely getting all the support of people who otherwise would've been split between them.  If what they each hoped to achieve as president was their pure goal, they'd have figured something out.  But to each of them (and to the whole field, not just these two), being president is at least a little more important than the principles they're running on.

Agree with all of this. Obama permanently took away any illusions I had of presidential candidates being virtuous. Any presidential candidate who doesn't have the removal of money out of our processes as their highest priority doesn't stand on any principled high ground. Money in politics simply exists to get people to act against their or their constituents wishes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:02:50 AM
https://twitter.com/WardDPatrick/status/1217160219387744256

 :buh-bye:

What's wrong bucket? This is awesome!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:07:19 AM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1217299066108948482

Stunning to me that this was their first "private" moment since the weekend. They were in the building for over an hour together before the debate and there were two extended, off stage breaks during the debate. She was pissed, not behaving like someone who made that story up, yet bernie supporters are all over twitter crying about cnn setting bernie up by asking him about this lie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 12:28:53 AM
There was a kind of funny moment after where an anchor said something like, “Bernie was responding as if this was some he said she said, but this story was reported out including by CNN” and Anderson Cooper awkwardly was like “yeah but just to be clear the reporting was basically about a he said she said.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 12:29:43 AM
Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 15, 2020, 12:34:51 AM
Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol

I did :lol:.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 12:44:50 AM
What are the big distinctions between bernie and warren as far as what they want to accomplish?

They're aren't any. Some ardent, and ill informed, supporters will try to act as if small differences on process make for philosophical differences.

That was my impression.  Interesting that they couldn't work this all out well before campaigns started and prioritize their shared goals for the country over their personal ambitions.

Didn’t Warren spectacularly fail at this when she stepped aside for Hillary?

 :confused:

I thought Warren didn’t make a 2016 run because she thought Hillary was better positioned to win. At least I’m not sure why else she would not have run. I remember Joe’s explanation.

I don't know why she didn't run, but there is no reason to think that there's any truth to this. If anything she wouldn't have run out of deference to Bernie.

Well if that was the reason it helps the analogy quite a bit!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:45:11 AM
Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol

I'm proud to know her...she's my friend...she's...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:52:18 AM
My takeaway from tonight is that Bernie supporters are just as adept at ruining twitter as MAGA are. My God, what a crap show. There are literally 7 trending topics right now specifically filled with Sanders supporters crying, including #NeverWarren lol, unhinged.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 15, 2020, 12:53:36 AM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1217300549151920130
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2020, 06:31:32 AM
Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol

I did :lol:.

Just happened to catch this part on the radio and I didn't know who was speaking but def lol'd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 07:33:11 AM
Last night was my first (or maybe first in a long time?) debate this primary. I could only stand to watch like half an hour. My impressions below.

Joe: have no idea if he's actually following along or just pretending to understand that you can now take a photograph with your telephone.

Pete (first time seeing him): similar to Trump in that he cares 100% about himself and 0% about any of the issues he talks about. Really gross, guys.

Bernie: super grumpy. Always thinks he knows this crap better than anyone. Also doesn't play well with others.

Warren: a constant fight between lucid and frazzled in which both sides win. Knows damn well that Bernie knows what he said.

Steyer: nice guy. "I've always wanted to make a big, positive difference in our society and, gosh darn it, you only live once, I'm gonna run for president" energy.

Klob: a rookie on the stage right now, but after this election is over will shoot a thousand jump shots every night after practice and will be back to dunk on your rough ridin' faces next time. Just you wait, motherfuckers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 07:46:18 AM
Also Klob forgetting the name of the KS Gov by trying her damndest to remember was pretty lol

I'm proud to know her...she's my friend...she's...

The best part was trying to mumble something that sounded like a name and ending with “thank you.”
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 07:55:38 AM
Klob came off way more likeable last night than prior debates. She could have really sealed the deal with a relatable “crap I’m blanking on the name, she’s gonna be mad at me” on her biggest gaff of the night.

Everyone else pretty par for the course. I don’t know why Steyer thinks his “we need someone with outside views and business experience” pitch will work after 3 years of Trump. I’m increasingly convinced that the candidates with no Washington connections are most susceptible to swampy, scandal filled administrations.

I like the smaller field.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 15, 2020, 08:44:29 AM
So Warren was so bothered by Bernie's comments in 2018 that all the reporting at the time suggests they amicably agreed that they were both running, then 13 months later she remembers this was an important thing and she is still upset about it?

And if the implication is not that it is sexist, then what is the point in even bringing it up?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 15, 2020, 08:48:52 AM
Have you gone #neverWarren, like Bernie Twitter?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 15, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Have you gone #neverWarren, like Bernie Twitter?

I live in Kansas, it does not matter. I said I was probably a Bernie dead ender from the start. 

I think her backing down on Medicare4All and the cringey Native American stuff had already doomed her for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 15, 2020, 08:51:55 AM
But to take a step back, she would be by far my number 2 considering the rest of the field.  And I honestly think she would be one of the best VP picks Bernie could make.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 09:01:22 AM
A combined 150 year old pres/vp might be enough to sway some of the boomer vote away from Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 09:04:01 AM
Speed of the captain, speed of the ship.

https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1217327939781566465
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 15, 2020, 09:18:26 AM
Speed of the captain, speed of the ship.

https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1217327939781566465

I really struggle to imagine what substantively might've changed if Warren and Bernie were both still going to run. Maybe they would've been nice to each other the whole time? Possible, but they are competing in a primary. It is a zero-sum game. I don't understand how this ever not going to lead to some sort of at least somewhat negative campaigning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 15, 2020, 09:20:24 AM
Have you gone #neverWarren, like Bernie Twitter?

I live in Kansas, it does not matter. I said I was probably a Bernie dead ender from the start. 

I think her backing down on Medicare4All and the cringey Native American stuff had already doomed her for me.

I like her much more than Sanders. I think it's mostly due to the cringey Native American stuff. Everything about it is great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
It's so okie that it's actually endearing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 15, 2020, 09:28:43 AM
Yes, and it's completely obvious that she believed it the entire time. She was so happy when the DNA test came back proving her right.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 09:29:48 AM
Speed of the captain, speed of the ship.

https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1217327939781566465

Until someone proves otherwise, I think every candidate’s focus for the foreseeable future will be on getting their supporters to turn out and vote rather than broadening their base. Seems to be the winning formula.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
Both are showing up as trending.

https://twitter.com/clenchner/status/1217458819644739591
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on January 15, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
So Warren was so bothered by Bernie's comments in 2018 that all the reporting at the time suggests they amicably agreed that they were both running, then 13 months later she remembers this was an important thing and she is still upset about it?

And if the implication is not that it is sexist, then what is the point in even bringing it up?
I read somewhere that it came out in response to the Sanders campaign giving their supporters a anti-Warren script to use. It seems the two campaigns have mostly refrained from attacking each other.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 15, 2020, 05:19:37 PM
So Warren was so bothered by Bernie's comments in 2018 that all the reporting at the time suggests they amicably agreed that they were both running, then 13 months later she remembers this was an important thing and she is still upset about it?

And if the implication is not that it is sexist, then what is the point in even bringing it up?
I read somewhere that it came out in response to the Sanders campaign giving their supporters a anti-Warren script to use. It seems the two campaigns have mostly refrained from attacking each other.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786)



The quote in the article is the one I’ve seen pointed as the negative campaigning...

But volunteers were also equipped with talking points for voters who said they were leaning toward other candidates. In Warren's case, they stated that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”


 :lol: that’s about as tame as you can get, and common knowledge. It is a crappy excuse to stick a sexist labeled knife in a surging Sanders’ back while you’re slippingin the polls three weeks ahead of Iowa. And as KK said two years after the damn one on one meeting took place.

Add in the disgusting way the issue was raised and Sanders’s denial basically ignored by the CNN moderator and you have what looks a lot like a concerted effort at a made for tv/ made for headlines gotcha moment meant to tear down Sanders.

https://youtu.be/O5CUfvoRCx4

The whole display was so gross that when during the post debate another CNN panelist was touting the claim as fact Anderson Cooper had to remind them that it indeed was he said/ she said.

Why would Warren do this? Will it help her win? Probably not. Will it make it easier for her to distance herself from Sanders and back the establishment candidate Biden when/if she drops out? Probably.

It’s a good example of why a lot of people, myself included, question Warren’s honesty and integrity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 15, 2020, 06:59:05 PM
I think Warren is doing this because it actually happened and she's honest to a fault.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 15, 2020, 07:09:23 PM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
I think Warren is doing this because it actually happened and she's honest to a fault.

If I had to bet, this would be it. Nothing about this story really helps Warren, and I’ll bet she was actually pissed when it resurfaced. But at this point she feels like she has no choice but to say it’s true.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 15, 2020, 07:31:56 PM
You do realize this conversion took place a couple years ago.  This was a shitty thing she did.  That's why I'll stick with Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 15, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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Washington Post articles report Sanders staffers said Sanders basically told her that Trump would use nefarious measures against her that would be focused on her gender (among other things).

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1217618243642413056
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 07:55:00 PM
I like Warren more if she tried to knife him. Need to see more ruthlessness for political gain from Democrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 15, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
goddamn.  that's very competent of cnn.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 15, 2020, 10:04:34 PM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2020, 10:09:29 PM
Hillary would have won if the stars hadn't aligned for Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 15, 2020, 10:31:27 PM

My man, Mike Bloomberg, the only non total whack job seeking the Dem nomination.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/478494-bloomberg-viewed-as-having-best-chance-to-beat-trump-in-betting-market
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 16, 2020, 12:21:41 AM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

100%
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2020, 12:22:26 AM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

Yeah, again—and Bernie himself made this point on Tuesday—Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. This is a very dumb talking point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2020, 01:59:28 AM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

Yeah, again—and Bernie himself made this point on Tuesday—Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. This is a very dumb talking point.

Did she win?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2020, 02:13:40 AM
So Warren was so bothered by Bernie's comments in 2018 that all the reporting at the time suggests they amicably agreed that they were both running, then 13 months later she remembers this was an important thing and she is still upset about it?

And if the implication is not that it is sexist, then what is the point in even bringing it up?
I read somewhere that it came out in response to the Sanders campaign giving their supporters a anti-Warren script to use. It seems the two campaigns have mostly refrained from attacking each other.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786)



The quote in the article is the one I’ve seen pointed as the negative campaigning...

But volunteers were also equipped with talking points for voters who said they were leaning toward other candidates. In Warren's case, they stated that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”


 :lol: that’s about as tame as you can get, and common knowledge. It is a crappy excuse to stick a sexist labeled knife in a surging Sanders’ back while you’re slippingin the polls three weeks ahead of Iowa. And as KK said two years after the damn one on one meeting took place.

Add in the disgusting way the issue was raised and Sanders’s denial basically ignored by the CNN moderator and you have what looks a lot like a concerted effort at a made for tv/ made for headlines gotcha moment meant to tear down Sanders.

https://youtu.be/O5CUfvoRCx4

The whole display was so gross that when during the post debate another CNN panelist was touting the claim as fact Anderson Cooper had to remind them that it indeed was he said/ she said.

Why would Warren do this? Will it help her win? Probably not. Will it make it easier for her to distance herself from Sanders and back the establishment candidate Biden when/if she drops out? Probably.

It’s a good example of why a lot of people, myself included, question Warren’s honesty and integrity.

The questioning of Warren's honesty is amazingly ironic when it comes to this post. Painting a progressive and his/her followers as elites is incredibly damning. I would be very shocked if you didn't realize that, something tells me that you do.

You also know full rough ridin' well why she waited for two years to release the details of that conversation. She essentially said why she did it.

At some point ardent Bernie Sanders supporters need to stop with the cult of personality bullshit and hold their candidate responsible for something, anything. Literally every other candidates supporters have something that they have to deal with regarding their candidate, and are forced to essentially eat it. You don't see Warren supporters threatening to boycott networks when the native american stuff comes out, even though, and this point has been made several times, that has happened to so many Americans, including me. Pete supporters don't crap themselves claiming media bias when he has to answer about the South Bend Police Chief or McKinsey on a damn near daily basis. All candidates go through stuff like this only Bernie supporters and MAGA behave as if the world is against them and their guy is perfect.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 06:10:04 AM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

Yeah, again—and Bernie himself made this point on Tuesday—Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. This is a very dumb talking point.

Did she win?

She COULD have, which is the issue at hand. The election was VERY close.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2020, 07:14:15 AM
100% chance Bernie tried to convince her a woman had no shot NOT because of him and his Bernie Bros but because of shitty other types who would never vote for a broad and she should throw in with his old ass.


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It’s 100% this and Bernie is right. America isn’t going to turn out to vote for a woman. Unfortunate but true. We aren’t there yet.

Yeah, again—and Bernie himself made this point on Tuesday—Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. This is a very dumb talking point.

Did she win?

Not you too :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 16, 2020, 08:02:03 AM
A woman can definitely win. hillary was like the second shittiest candidate for president of all time and she got 3 million more votes than her competition (admittedly because he was the first shittiest). But an actual good female candidate can for sure win. 95% of misogynists who wouldn't vote for a woman aren't voting for a lib no matter what so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
Tbh I don't run into misogyny in the wild very often (except obviously sarcastic jokes). The race barrier is much higher than the gender barrier. Just my jmho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2020, 09:09:58 AM
I think a big part of it is that a lot of women really don't like other women. It's their fault. :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
That is something I have not factored into my jmho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
Women candidates have some unique obstacles. Probably the biggest is that people can view the exact same leadership trait as “assertive,” “powerful,” or “clever” in a man but as “bitchy” or “deceitful” in a woman. A lot of it is implicit.

But people who act like that kind of stuff is insurmountable by female candidates are either being overdramatic or flat out sexist. Women candidates (yeah mostly Dems) did very well the last election cycle. And as SD pointed out, a plurality of Americans voted for a woman last presidential election even though she was the same party as an outgoing two term president and represented “politics as usual” when people were generally unhappy with the system.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:15:24 AM
A woman can definitely win. hillary was like the second shittiest candidate for president of all time and she got 3 million more votes than her competition (admittedly because he was the first shittiest). But an actual good female candidate can for sure win. 95% of misogynists who wouldn't vote for a woman aren't voting for a lib no matter what so it doesn't matter.

the issue isn't with the obvious misogynists and bad people though. it's with people who aren't even aware that they judge women differently/worse and also with women themselves who will judge her more harshly. it's going to take a superwoman to overcome some of our inherent and/or subconscious biases. Unfortunately Liz doesn't have "it". she can't and won't win. Neither can Klobuchar. Bernie is/was right.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2020, 09:18:10 AM
All Hillary Clinton had to do was run a semi coherent campaign and not say a couple of things and she would have been elected and we’d be bombing the hell out of a whole set of new countries .  FFS you pearl clutches.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 16, 2020, 09:31:32 AM
All Hillary Clinton had to do was run a semi coherent campaign and not say a couple of things and she would have been elected and we’d be bombing the hell out of a whole set of new countries .  FFS you pearl clutches.

Agree with dax here


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:36:21 AM
All Hillary Clinton had to do was run a semi coherent campaign and not say a couple of things and she would have been elected and we’d be bombing the hell out of a whole set of new countries .  FFS you pearl clutches.

the whole and entire point is that she "did" though and it gave people enough of a reason in their head to not vote for her. I would argue that she was always going to do or say something that would've caused enough people to decide to not vote for her. The bar for what was going to turn someone off from voting for hillary or any female in her situation is lower. much lower. Donald Trump on the other hand, did and said way more worse things and it didn't keep people (many of whom were females) from showing out and going all in on him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on January 16, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:39:29 AM
All Hillary Clinton had to do was run a semi coherent campaign and not say a couple of things and she would have been elected and we’d be bombing the hell out of a whole set of new countries .  FFS you pearl clutches.

Agree with dax here


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you guys are both wrong then. enough people were always going to find a reason to not vote for her whether they knew it or not. the bar is way higher for a female.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 16, 2020, 09:41:11 AM
which is more likely? america elects a second black male president, or a first female president (of any race)?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

women are humans just like men are, so yes they are also naturally biased against female voices and will also hold women to a higher set of standards than men.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:43:06 AM
which is more likely? america elects a second black male president, or a first female president (of any race)?

second black male. also, america will elect a gay male before a female.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 09:49:35 AM
Saying Hillary couldn't have won in 2016 is like saying OU football couldn't have beaten K-State in 2019. There are many, many variables that affect the outcome. Luck is a factor. Different teams can win on different days. Different candidates can win on different days. But either CAN win.

What if Trump had died the day before the election? Would Hillary definitely not have won?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 16, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Its not often the discussion gets Rick all fired up but it sure is fun when it does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2020, 09:58:12 AM
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

women are humans just like men are, so yes they are also naturally biased against female voices and will also hold women to a higher set of standards than men.

I don't think it's a human thing. Plenty of first world countries have elected female leaders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 16, 2020, 10:14:52 AM
a republican female might do it before a democrat female
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 16, 2020, 10:24:44 AM
Saying Hillary couldn't have won in 2016 is like saying OU football couldn't have beaten K-State in 2019. There are many, many variables that affect the outcome. Luck is a factor. Different teams can win on different days. Different candidates can win on different days. But either CAN win.

What if Trump had died the day before the election? Would Hillary definitely not have won?

all the absolutist talk is bullshit.  it's all very slight differences in probability.  i think warren is a pretty bad candidate, and part of that is being a woman.  but klobuchar i think would be a pretty strong candidate and she's also a woman.  and the difference isn't that huge, like maybe warren has a 30% chance of winning and klobuchar a 60% of winning.  which is different, but it's like the difference between getting 47 instead of 48% of the vote.  or in getting the same %, but getting a little more in ny and ca and a little less in michigan and wisconsin.

so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 16, 2020, 10:36:30 AM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

People who want to use real silverware will.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on January 16, 2020, 11:34:45 AM
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

The love, honor, obey effect
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 11:37:19 AM
so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.

Similarly, people talk about BLUE VS RED! things like there's a big difference. Usually, it's like 49/48 blue thing vs 49/48 red thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 11:50:33 AM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 16, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

either they did for her senatorial campaigns or it didn't matter that they didn't, because she has a completely crushed as a senate candidate.  way outperforming a generic dem.

a senator isn't the same as a president and minnesota isn't the entire country, but it's not fair to completely ignore her electoral record.  and by the same token, warren has underperformed in both of her senate races.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 12:09:49 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2020, 12:11:00 PM
Yes! Voters are crazy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 16, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 16, 2020, 12:15:26 PM
I don't understand why our virtuous liberals hate certain democrats. I would vote for Liz or Pete in a heartpete. Look to your houses and decide why you eat your own.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2020, 12:19:25 PM
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.

In retrospect, I may have unintentionally been nitpicking about the door knocking. I'm honestly not sure about enthusiasm as a factor, though, based on some articles I've read. Votes are what matter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 01:40:55 PM
Its not often the discussion gets Rick all fired up but it sure is fun when it does.

nobody is fired up you weirdo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
Officially signed up for the Bloomberg mailing list and news.

#voteforthenonwhackjob
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 16, 2020, 03:21:31 PM
interesting graphical look at electability.  if you're interested, the article goes into a lot of detail.

https://twitter.com/MathIntee/status/1217916653708726272
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2020, 03:50:24 PM
A few weeks old.   This is an excellent approach by my guy Mike Bloomberg.  I'm sure you've all heard he's not taking any donations, and he's approaching the right operatives to reassure them that unlike the other absolute whackjobs and/or warmongering racists who are running for the Dem nominee, he's not going to propose eating the rich (Same with ChiCom Joe the war mongering racist, but way more coherently).

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/mike-bloomberg-tries-to-convince-big-money-democratic-donors-he-can-win.html

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 16, 2020, 04:08:36 PM
I’m 100% in favor of billionaires who run for public office not taking donations


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 16, 2020, 06:03:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/1217954709916585985
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 16, 2020, 09:33:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297

That's some range  :surprised:

It isn’t though. They’re all males.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 17, 2020, 08:11:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/1217954709916585985

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Why do Clinton's numbers change with every candidate?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2020, 08:54:21 AM
I mean, at least Biden will be entertaining as the nominee.

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1218183029874667521
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 17, 2020, 09:02:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/1217954709916585985

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Why do Clinton's numbers change with every candidate?

margin in each state these are sentate race numbers
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 17, 2020, 04:39:58 PM
he can't win, but he's also not really even trying to.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1218288558672424960
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 17, 2020, 04:41:21 PM
I mean, at least Biden will be entertaining as the nominee.

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1218183029874667521

lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 17, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
I feel like the best thing about Biden other than his zesty moderate flavors is that he'll surround himself with actual smart people who can make decisions for his old ass. like, the opposite of trump (same oldness, opposite advisor strategy).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 17, 2020, 04:44:00 PM
That’s true but probably also true for any of them but Yang or Steyer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 17, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
I feel like the best thing about Biden other than his zesty moderate flavors is that he'll surround himself with actual smart people who can make decisions for his old ass. like, the opposite of trump (same oldness, opposite advisor strategy).

He also seems to have a pretty decent (at least debate) strategy vs Sanders of generally deflecting potential divisiveness that could arise from philosophical differences. He’s generally complimentary of Sanders while acknowledging their differences. He and his campaign seem smart enough to know that the group of voters who typically voted blue in the past and either failed to show out for Hillary or flat out voted for Trump are not to be alienated but brought back into the fold.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 17, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
I feel like the best thing about Biden other than his zesty moderate flavors is that he'll surround himself with actual smart people who can make decisions for his old ass. like, the opposite of trump (same oldness, opposite advisor strategy).

yeah, he'll be fine.  and hopefully bow out after one term.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 17, 2020, 05:52:00 PM
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1218292242634375168
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
I mean, at least Biden will be entertaining as the nominee.

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1218183029874667521

Biden is the only nominee that Trump will debate and that debate will be wild. It will join Lincoln/Douglas and Kennedy/Nixon in the history books.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 17, 2020, 07:53:46 PM
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1218292242634375168

That's a nightmare for not only Trump but other down ballot Republicans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 17, 2020, 08:27:41 PM
I was just thinking that if 75% of the electorate turns out for this election and elects Trump then I will finally have to admit he’s MY PRESIDENT.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 18, 2020, 10:41:18 PM
My guy should just go independent
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2020, 07:32:03 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/LivPosting/status/1218696208635645952
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 19, 2020, 11:22:14 AM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
https://twitter.com/erickmsanchez/status/1218962596562395138?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 19, 2020, 06:27:32 PM
Lololol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 19, 2020, 10:39:35 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2020, 11:08:18 PM
Pandering clown
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
he can't win, but he's also not really even trying to.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1218288558672424960

This is a bullshit criticism. There is another forum here in Des Moines at almost the same time, the Brown & Black Forum that he and tiny baby Klo was supposed to attend. He was going to attend another event in South Bend but he was bullied into flying across the country for a 10 minute speech.

We've lost our damn minds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 19, 2020, 11:38:51 PM
https://twitter.com/ForwardGang/status/1219105477407076352
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 19, 2020, 11:43:38 PM
This is a bullshit criticism. There is another forum here in Des Moines at almost the same time, the Brown & Black Forum that he and tiny baby Klo was supposed to attend. He was going to attend another event in South Bend but he was bullied into flying across the country for a 10 minute speech.

all the other candidates but buttigieg and klobuchar were planning on attending both events in both states.  it wasn't about choosing one or the other.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2020, 11:48:25 PM
I'm really pissed off about that Epstein tweet. It was a cheap trick by a media outlet who said they won't provide negative coverage one of the candidates. There are a ton of replies to that tweet, all of them seemingly unaware that both of them will be attending a forum, literally that same morning, where they will be speaking to people of color about issues we find important. When you look up lie of omission, this will appear there as a great example. Also worth noting that Michael Bloomberg is not appearing at either event.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 19, 2020, 11:55:02 PM
This is a bullshit criticism. There is another forum here in Des Moines at almost the same time, the Brown & Black Forum that he and tiny baby Klo was supposed to attend. He was going to attend another event in South Bend but he was bullied into flying across the country for a 10 minute speech.

all the other candidates but buttigieg and klobuchar were planning on attending both events in both states.  it wasn't about choosing one or the other.

Pete didn't initially commit because he was scheduled to do a MLK event in South Bend that morning and Klo didn't because she's scheduled to be first here in Iowa 2 hours and 45 minutes after the speeches in South Carolina begin. All of these candidates are literally flying their own jets 1000 miles each because they don't want to be seen as racially insensitive by people like Bakari Sellers who act as if South Carolina is the only place to speak to black people.

We've prioritized pandering over substance, it's rough ridin' maddening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 19, 2020, 11:58:05 PM
iowa should reschedule their event if it's so difficult for klobuchar.  if i lived in south carolina, i would take skipping the event in exactly the fashion sellers did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2020, 02:00:42 AM
iowa should reschedule their event if it's so difficult for klobuchar.  if i lived in south carolina, i would take skipping the event in exactly the fashion sellers did.

Why should they do that? The event in Iowa is older, was scheduled first, is nationally televised, and is an actual forum, that is an expansive question and answer format. If you behaved like Sellers did I'd also call you a dishonest dirtbag using race to bully people into attending an event they had no intent or purpose to actually attend. Frankly you, sys, are speaking from a place of ignorance here that Sellers is not working from, I'd be willing to give you latitude if you're willing to acknowledge that you didn't have all of the information.

Sellers and the SCAACP knew full well the existence of the B & B Forum when the King Day at the Dome event was scheduled, the B & B Forum has long been the premier event geared towards voters of color, since 1984. The issue is that the forum usually takes place at night but they moved it to the day this year because of, at the time, the projected large field of candidates. Television needed the forum in 3 hours or less so it was designed to be streamed live in the day and shown edited on television later in the evening. Again Sellers knew of this when he made the tweet, he was disappointed on the turnout of the SC event and that was the nexus of the event. His bullshit about speaking to southern black voters is, just that. His event isn't televised, and the speeches are short.

https://twitter.com/bandbforum/status/1219101444520869888
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 20, 2020, 03:35:37 AM
everything about early state primary/caucus traditions is older in iowa, because iowa being important was a thing before any other state being early became a thing.  iowa already gets by far the most attention from candidates, and aside from the black and brown forum, iowa also has, off the top of my head, the state convention, the state fair (an entire rough ridin' week), the steak fry and the dinner thing you went to as events that are considered mandatory for candidate attendance.  aside from tomorrow, sc has just two, the fish fry and the state convention.

it is logical that south carolina try to ensure the candidates pay a little more attention to them and entirely fitting that they ask candidates to spend mlk day in the early state with a sizeable black population.  so yeah, sorry iowa, if you can't figure out a way to schedule that permits candidates to attend both events, candidates absolutely should prioritize sc and sc voters should take note of any candidates that don't.

and the idea that iowa wouldn't alter the schedule because they wanted time to edit the thing for tv is frankly insulting on it's own.


as far as my ignorance goes, i didn't know about the tighter turn around for klobuchar compared to the other candidates and that's at least a better excuse than buttigieg's.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2020, 03:43:19 PM
These are two different arguments. I feel as if you are saying that South Carolina should want their event to supersede the Iowa events, basically don't just allow Iowa to have a year and a half unchecked. That's completely fine, but that's not what Sellers and that hypocritical lady from Bloomberg were doing. They were both insinuating, by excluding what was actually happening, that Pete and Klobuchar were avoiding speaking to black voters, when in actuality they were choosing to do that somewhere else. If it were the Brown & Black Forum that they choose to miss and that Bloomberg reporter made the same tweet, I'd take the same exception. I was happy to be a part of the forum, but if a candidate decided to do something else, I wouldn't have batted an eye.

Also it wasn't the family that moved the forum time, it was Vice Network that wanted it moved so that they didn't have to show potentially 5 hours of programming. The family preferred that none of this was an issue and the forum was at night like it always is. Worth noting that the people putting on either event took exception to who didn't attend, it was other people, with an agenda to push.

The Brown & Black Forum isn't a partisan organization, and have invited Republicans as long as it's been an event and they haven't called them out for not participating since 1992.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 20, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
really interesting thread on candidates & gender.

https://twitter.com/cmMcConnaughy/status/1219227275071315969
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 20, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1219429363189526529 (https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1219429363189526529)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 20, 2020, 10:01:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ForwardGang/status/1219105477407076352

This has to be a pub/MAGA tweet.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2020, 07:40:04 AM
Wow. This seems completely vengeful.

https://twitter.com/mattholt33/status/1219599290336731137
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2020, 08:01:23 AM
lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
I think Bernie would be completely ineffective as president at getting congress to do anything. I don't care for his policies much, but he doesn't worry me for that reason. At least he isn't evil.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2020, 08:41:33 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200121/419d5a997a95932ba495e094a11f70e5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2020, 08:44:09 AM
I think Bernie would be completely ineffective as president at getting congress to do anything. I don't care for his policies much, but he doesn't worry me for that reason. At least he isn't evil.

IMO he does a good job influencing voters who in theory can influence congress. He could certainly shift the national conversation in what I would consider a positive direction even more than he already has.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 21, 2020, 09:10:25 AM
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Good one Luke!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
So much venom it had to be said twice.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2020, 09:31:39 AM
you would think by this point she would understand this makes her look bad and hurts her legacy more than it helps, but then she wouldn't be Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Her legacy is trash no matter what she does.

On the previous note I think Bernie is a good person but would divide the country even more than it already is. We need a warm moderate blanket in times like this.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2020, 09:47:50 AM
If the Obama presidency sparked Trumpism, I don't want to imagine what would result from a Bernie presidency.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on January 21, 2020, 09:52:09 AM
If the Obama presidency sparked Trumpism, I don't want to imagine what would result from a Bernie presidency.

I'd like to think that Trump is an amalgam of things that can't be replicated.  That might be my denial though.

Bernie would result in whatever Trump hangers-on or children taking a shot at it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2020, 09:55:13 AM
I think Bernie would be completely ineffective as president at getting congress to do anything. I don't care for his policies much, but he doesn't worry me for that reason. At least he isn't evil.

IMO he does a good job influencing voters who in theory can influence congress. He could certainly shift the national conversation in what I would consider a positive direction even more than he already has.

I think this is right, and really would be all you could ask for during a Bernie presidency, which wouldn’t be so bad. Like SD though, my pref would be a competent moderate who pushes to get common sense stuff done so that people on both sides of the aisle have to stop being so comfortable with gridlock.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2020, 10:07:05 AM
Bloomberg is the guy:  Climate Alarmist-Check.   Likely to bend over big time to China, but it’s okay he’s a (D)-Check.  Symbolic (but ultimately meaningless) sanctions on Russia to put the New NeoCons at ease-Check.  Highly unlikely to issue repeated Stand Down orders in the face of Russian aggression-Check.  Good understanding of business so likely to destroy the US’s energy independence at a much slower pace then other Dem candidates-Check.  Proud advocate of the nanny state-Check.   

Bloomberg 2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
I think Bernie would be completely ineffective as president at getting congress to do anything. I don't care for his policies much, but he doesn't worry me for that reason. At least he isn't evil.

IMO he does a good job influencing voters who in theory can influence congress. He could certainly shift the national conversation in what I would consider a positive direction even more than he already has.

I think this is right, and really would be all you could ask for during a Bernie presidency, which wouldn’t be so bad. Like SD though, my pref would be a competent moderate who pushes to get common sense stuff done so that people on both sides of the aisle have to stop being so comfortable with gridlock.

I don't think we will ever get rid of the gridlock. Presidents don't get more moderate than Obama and congress wouldn't work with him on anything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
I think Bernie would be completely ineffective as president at getting congress to do anything. I don't care for his policies much, but he doesn't worry me for that reason. At least he isn't evil.

IMO he does a good job influencing voters who in theory can influence congress. He could certainly shift the national conversation in what I would consider a positive direction even more than he already has.

I think this is right, and really would be all you could ask for during a Bernie presidency, which wouldn’t be so bad. Like SD though, my pref would be a competent moderate who pushes to get common sense stuff done so that people on both sides of the aisle have to stop being so comfortable with gridlock.

I don't think we will ever get rid of the gridlock. Presidents don't get more moderate than Obama and congress wouldn't work with him on anything.

yeah Obama honestly tried to compromise as much as possible and no one on the right budged an inch and we got trump. The republicans will treat Biden or Bloomberg like they're commies.

Another positive that Bernie could influence is foreign policy. IMO he's the only one who would take steps to ending dumb wars we're always fighting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2020, 10:47:28 AM
Agree with the war point


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
Obama pretty much started out his presidency by trying to completely reform the healthcare system, FTR.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2020, 01:15:21 PM
Obama pretty much started out his presidency by trying to completely reform the healthcare system, FTR.

He compromised all the way to using the healthcare system that Mitt Romney ran his campaign on.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Well he didn’t compromise with any Republicans, that’s for sure.

Or if he did he is a pretty crappy deal maker considering none voted for it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2020, 01:59:50 PM
Well he didn’t compromise with any Republicans, that’s for sure.

Or if he did he is a pretty crappy deal maker considering none voted for it.

I don't think a good deal maker would make a deal for a vote he doesn't need.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 22, 2020, 12:31:11 AM
Well he didn’t compromise with any Republicans, that’s for sure.

Or if he did he is a pretty crappy deal maker considering none voted for it.

Wrong
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 22, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
You can take that disagreement up with Wikipedia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 22, 2020, 11:26:48 AM
LOL, what a loser

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1219990134189383680
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 22, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
weird how people think he's fake.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1219796486784978944
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 22, 2020, 02:35:27 PM
i've been surprised at how well bloomberg does in head to head polls.

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1220049895270363169
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 22, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
this is really good.  pretty easy to recognize goEMAW's own 420cat and stunner among the 2020 persuadable archetypes.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1191767172709801985
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
#bloomberg2020:  The only choice
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2020, 10:56:57 AM
#bloomberg2020:  The only choice

#nomoresoda2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
#bloomberg2020:  The only choice

#nomoresoda2020

Well, I've set aside Mike's Nanny State tendencies.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
I guess I'm a bloomy because that's what my quiz online said.

took it twice
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2020, 01:38:35 PM
I guess it's not that wild that bloomy whips trumps ass at biden levels in national polls. can probably draw the pubs that are humiliated by trump but aren't yet ready to vote dem because of it. bernie isn't doing that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 23, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Bernie is going to eff up everything and lose to Trump and everyone will hate him forever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
^
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
Especially the Bernie supporters. Good grief.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 02:00:41 PM
Have you guys been following politics? If Bernie lost to Trump, progressives would say it’s because he wasn’t progressive enough. To think there is any silver lining there is just crazy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2020, 02:03:19 PM
Bernie is going to eff up everything and lose to Trump and everyone will hate him forever.

plenty of folks already blame him for hillary losing
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
I wish Bernie would just break and form his own party and not crusade as a Dem.

Sure it would Eff the dems in the general but he's already doing that while pretending to all be in the same party.

That's essentially what the populists did and the national brand had to listen eventually.

I think it's going to take something like that to get a party of centrists to win something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 23, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
^

as has been said all along, a lot of mods prefer Trump to Bernie.

Bernie will win tho.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
^

as has been said all along, a lot of mods prefer Trump to Bernie.

Bernie will win tho.

Typical Bernie supporter. Everyone is against him, including people who would vote for him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2020, 04:57:37 PM
This is a battleground state poll


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2020, 04:58:03 PM
I think you missed that Pete is literally the devil pretending to be human
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
The Bernie/Trump voters care mostly about people who aren’t part of the “system.” Basically they’re just folks who are pissed off at life right now.

The Pete supporters don’t really care about that. They mainly just want a government that functions, even if the guy making the wheels turn seems disingenuous.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 23, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
Bernie is going to eff up everything and lose to Trump and everyone will hate him forever.

plenty of folks already blame him for hillary losing

What they should be blaming are the DNC rough ridin' Bernie every chance they could, with the overwhelming approval of the crooked bitch Hillary.  BTY, Bernie had more votes than Clinton in the primary.  DNC gave block votes to Hillary when Bernie earned them in every state.  Bernie would have won in 2016.  None of my co-workers wanted to vote for Trump, but were definitely not voting for Hillary. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2020, 07:05:53 PM
I think you missed that Pete is literally the devil pretending to be human
People have been reporting that he smells like sulfur and never sleeps.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
I legit think Pete is the most evil candidate. I can see him doing more damage than Trump because he'd be sneaky about it and Trump is too dumb to do any real damage. Like Pete would have hella drone wars and government overthrows and whatever the healthcare lobby wants while talking about unity bullshit to the public
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 07:21:19 PM
The ol’ “but her emails” argument
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:21:41 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
:cry: not all of us, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Sneaky Pete and the Drone Wars.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Have you guys been following politics? If Bernie lost to Trump, progressives would say it’s because he wasn’t progressive enough. To think there is any silver lining there is just crazy.

Someone had to come in and take a smart and funny conversation and say something dumb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
I meant no offense, board progressive MIR.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:26:58 PM
I think you missed that Pete is literally the devil pretending to be human
People have been reporting that he smells like sulfur and never sleeps.

Where's Alex Jones these days?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
I meant no offense, board progressive MIR.

Oh, none taken, it's just that your comment wasn't the least bit clever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
At the Virginia March driving around in a infowars branded swat vehicle looking thing yelling "1776 for everyone!"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
 :D

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1219259219402055683
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:46:37 PM
I wish he wouldn't have exploited the parents of the sandy hook shooting, the world was a better place when he had a larger platform.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
I meant no offense, board progressive MIR.

Oh, none taken, it's just that your comment wasn't the least bit clever.

Oh you thought I was joking.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 08:17:01 PM
I meant no offense, board progressive MIR.

Oh, none taken, it's just that your comment wasn't the least bit clever.

Oh you thought I was joking.

I knew you weren't
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
:cry: not all of us, right?

Just the crazy mean twitter ones


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
:cry: not all of us, right?

Just the crazy mean twitter ones


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They annoy me too, friend.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2020, 08:24:52 PM
Pete has fallen off a cliff and I don’t see him recovering. Also my previous prognostication that it would be Warren is dead in the water. I don’t think anyone is catching Joe. I like the Bloomy surge.


https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1220531973493424129


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 08:51:12 PM
National polls  :nono:
Right off hand, I'm dismissing this because it doesn't account for Steyer's surge in the early states and that's important given that momentum in early states can and has snowballed for a candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 23, 2020, 10:27:23 PM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them
^

as has been said all along, a lot of mods prefer Trump to Bernie.

Bernie will win tho.

Typical Bernie supporter. Everyone is against him, including people who would vote for him.

Oh I have no illusions that Republican moderates will vote for anyone but Trump again, Clinton's strategy was to try and get them.  Bernie won't get them, but he is still going to win because he is going to turn out lots of other voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
Wow. This seems completely vengeful.

https://twitter.com/mattholt33/status/1219599290336731137

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO0IVRUWAAMt4_L?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 23, 2020, 11:28:50 PM
There for awhile wasn't Trump behind all the Democratic candidates, or am I misremembering and am thinking about older national polls? Seems odd that a Bernie voter would switch to Trump given the choice of say Pete as the alternative.

it changes from poll to poll depending on the sample and all that.  just ignore that part and focus on the relative placement of the different dem candidates is my advice on how to use these polls.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 23, 2020, 11:35:46 PM
my previous prognostication that it would be Warren is dead in the water. I don’t think anyone is catching Joe.

it turns out dem primary voters really just wanted to replay 2016 all over again, so, here we go.  clinton v sanders 2.0, let's see if he can any get closer this time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2020, 11:38:38 PM
Oh, I forgot that this was an election year. All I hear about is the Trump impeachment stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 23, 2020, 11:48:09 PM
Oh, I forgot that this was an election year. All I hear about is the Trump impeachment stuff.

advantage biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
Will beat him like a drum
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 24, 2020, 03:26:50 AM
what a ride.

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1220533197693427712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on January 24, 2020, 06:05:45 AM
If Biden would promise that he’s only going to serve one term, he might move up my list some.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2020, 06:29:53 AM
That should sort itself out


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 24, 2020, 06:55:03 AM
only a few more weeks of these stories, so savor these last few morsels.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/pete-buttigieg-south-carolina-103325
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2020, 12:41:16 PM
The Bernie/Joe Rogan endorsement dust up is outstanding.   Defining and re-defining first world problems.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/jljacobson/status/1220534015746330624?s=20


https://twitter.com/mikeyfranklin/status/1220499891471994883?s=20

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1220518145431044097?s=20

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1220539849234690048?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2020, 01:03:01 PM
Please post in the libs losing their minds thread.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2020, 01:04:09 PM
Please post in the libs losing their minds thread.

That's about Trump, if we were just to have a libs losing their mind thread, we'll need a new data center.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2020, 01:14:08 PM
https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1220554118034608128?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 24, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
Joe Rogan is probably the biggest endorsement of the entire election season. You can think he is "problematic" but if you can't comprehend how big a deal it is, and want to run the Hillary 2016 playbook, go right ahead and lose.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2020, 02:15:06 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on January 24, 2020, 03:14:16 PM
Please post in the libs losing their minds thread.

That's about Trump, if we were just to have a libs losing their mind thread, we'll need a new data center.

thank you dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 24, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.

Which is why people like the tweeters Dax posted can’t stand him imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.

eh the giving platform to nazis and nazi adjacent folks is pretty shitty too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2020, 03:51:50 PM
I don't know of any nazi's he's had on, I suspect this is in reference to Alex jones or milo or that incel whisperer guy IDW types. Personally, I don't care if he interviews people with extreme opinions, generally the sunlight exposes to people how stupid the opinion is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 24, 2020, 04:09:06 PM
I remember when he hosted Fear Factor and Penn & Teller were on the show. Each time a contestant was eliminated, Rogan said they had to take the walk of shame. P&T made it through to the next round. As all the remaining contestants exited to go to the next round, Penn said, "ooh! We're taking the walk of shame," because they were leaving the same way that the eliminated contestants did. Rogan was like, "no!! It's not the walk of shame!!!" But you know what, guys. Penn was right! It was the walk of shame! And the next time I heard of Joe Rogan, he had some major podcast.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2020, 04:10:02 PM
Joe Rogan is probably the biggest endorsement of the entire election season. You can think he is "problematic" but if you can't comprehend how big a deal it is, and want to run the Hillary 2016 playbook, go right ahead and lose.

I kinda agree but I kinda don't. Getting the endorsement is fine, pandering for it, if that's what happened, is not. This will discourage so few Bernie voters that it barely merits discussion, but it I wouldn't roundly dismiss the people who are waffling between Sanders and Warren that this will turn off. Ultimately this has no bearing on beating Trump. Turning out Democrat voters who didn't vote for Hillary and swinging some moderates will be the key. The number of people who will vote for Bernie because Joe Rogan told them to can fit in the Waters lecture hall.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
I don't know of any nazi's he's had on, I suspect this is in reference to Alex jones or milo or that incel whisperer guy IDW types. Personally, I don't care if he interviews people with extreme opinions, generally the sunlight exposes to people how stupid the opinion is.

gavin mcginnes in the eli valley tweet too. I haven't listened or watched the others, but he wasn't exactly grilling Mcginnes in that vid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2020, 04:20:49 PM
I just want to be clear.  Joe Rogan is a transphobe, Nazi enabling xenophobe racist because his level of questioning of a certain person(s) was not strident enough?

Interesting.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
Joe Rogan is probably the biggest endorsement of the entire election season. You can think he is "problematic" but if you can't comprehend how big a deal it is, and want to run the Hillary 2016 playbook, go right ahead and lose.

I kinda agree but I kinda don't. Getting the endorsement is fine, pandering for it, if that's what happened, is not. This will discourage so few Bernie voters that it barely merits discussion, but it I wouldn't roundly dismiss the people who are waffling between Sanders and Warren that this will turn off. Ultimately this has no bearing on beating Trump. Turning out Democrat voters who didn't vote for Hillary and swinging some moderates will be the key. The number of people who will vote for Bernie because Joe Rogan told them to can fit in the Waters lecture hall.

Pretty sure it’s been discussed already, but a lot of Trump voters’ second choice is Bernie.

On the pandering comment, is there some rumor going around that the Bernie campaign reached out to Rogan for the endorsement?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2020, 04:26:00 PM
I just want to be clear.  Joe Rogan is a transphobe, Nazi enabling xenophobe racist because his level of questioning of a certain person(s) was not strident enough?

Interesting.



It's enough to question the wisdom in promoting his endorsment
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
I'm highly sceptical that any endorsement from nearly anyone at the national level matters at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
I'm highly sceptical that any endorsement from nearly anyone at the national level matters at all.

you're probably right. but he could have gotten any positive that would have come from it without sharing it and only got negative press for promoting it and pissed off a lot of his supporters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
Joe Rogan is probably the biggest endorsement of the entire election season. You can think he is "problematic" but if you can't comprehend how big a deal it is, and want to run the Hillary 2016 playbook, go right ahead and lose.

I kinda agree but I kinda don't. Getting the endorsement is fine, pandering for it, if that's what happened, is not. This will discourage so few Bernie voters that it barely merits discussion, but it I wouldn't roundly dismiss the people who are waffling between Sanders and Warren that this will turn off. Ultimately this has no bearing on beating Trump. Turning out Democrat voters who didn't vote for Hillary and swinging some moderates will be the key. The number of people who will vote for Bernie because Joe Rogan told them to can fit in the Waters lecture hall.

Pretty sure it’s been discussed already, but a lot of Trump voters’ second choice is Bernie.

On the pandering comment, is there some rumor going around that the Bernie campaign reached out to Rogan for the endorsement?

The trump voters with Bernie as their second choice has not had a percentage placed with it, because that is a minuscule number, and even fewer of them will actually vote. I have no idea if he was pandering for the endorsement at all, I don't even know what that means in this context, that was the rhetoric that some of those tweets used. If his campaign actually placed a formal ask of Joe rough ridin' Rogan, that's sad and pathetic. I'd say the same if any campaign asked any of the other popular podcasters; Chelsea Handler, Adam Carolla, those blond ladies from Barstool, Dax Sheppard, who the hell ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2020, 05:13:43 PM
I don't know of any nazi's he's had on, I suspect this is in reference to Alex jones or milo or that incel whisperer guy IDW types. Personally, I don't care if he interviews people with extreme opinions, generally the sunlight exposes to people how stupid the opinion is.

gavin mcginnes in the eli valley tweet too. I haven't listened or watched the others, but he wasn't exactly grilling Mcginnes in that vid.

I'm sure that I'll regret this one day, but if I have any doubt about anything at all, I'll default to whatever Eli Valley says, does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on January 24, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
Ok, I’m on the Yang Gang team now.


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1220823805716844547?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2020, 05:26:52 PM
I just want to be clear.  Joe Rogan is a transphobe, Nazi enabling xenophobe racist because his level of questioning of a certain person(s) was not strident enough?

Interesting.

I think he's definitely a transphobe, not because he thinks Fallon Fox should not be able to fight against women who were biologically born that way, but because of the rhetoric he used when making his point. He also absolutely enables nazi's and xenophobes, that is not a doubt at all. The argument that putting them on shines a light on their stupidity/danger/whatever, is preposterous.  When you book Gavin McGinnes on your show, the only thing you're bringing to light is that there are people out there who are openly racist and anti-semitic who don't fit the toothless southern redneck stereotype. If you've read anything at all from these groups you'll see that it is their goal to seem "normal" to gain access to platforms like this to spread their message, that is not even debatable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
this thread has a different perspective

https://twitter.com/wesinjapan/status/1220522545629159424?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 24, 2020, 07:06:12 PM
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2536/699/1600/Joe%20Rogan%20-%20Fear%20Factor1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 24, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.

Yes brother.   :cheers:  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on January 24, 2020, 07:30:29 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.

Yes brother.   :cheers:  :thumbs:

I think young joe was deplorable, but he's evolved. I enjoy his podcast. Especially, the one with Alex Jones.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2020, 08:10:24 PM
News Radio was pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 24, 2020, 08:17:09 PM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 24, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.

That’s a very good point Sys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 24, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
I like Joe Rogan if that helps everyone
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2020, 10:03:17 PM
News Radio was pretty good.

It was great.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 25, 2020, 12:57:44 AM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.

NO crap! how did everyone misinterpret my point?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 25, 2020, 01:19:53 AM
Liberals say Bernie Sanders’ Acceptance of Rogan Endorsement Sends Dangerous Message He’s Trying To Win The Election

https://www.google.com/amp/s/politics.theonion.com/liberals-say-sanders-s-acceptance-of-rogan-endorsement-1841208921/amp
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2020, 05:40:26 AM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.

Correct


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2020, 05:49:20 AM
The people who listen to what Joe Rogan has to say demographic doesn't sound like one that turns out to vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2020, 05:53:15 AM
the upside of that is the progressives are annoying AF and I'd welcome that happening to them

these bernie bros and brodettes are the annoying AF ones


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
Lol

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/203229861966381056
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 25, 2020, 09:10:14 AM
https://twitter.com/nickusen/status/1221084278785703936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
It's pretty eyerolly, just because he isn't sold on male to female transition'rs competing in girl's and women's sports doesn't make him transphobic. The rest of the accusations against him are eyerolly too, Rogan is about as live and let live as they come and a giant in media right now.

Yes brother.   :cheers:  :thumbs:

He refused to call Fallon Fox a woman, and referred to her "dick." Then there's this...

Quote
More recently, in 2017, Rogan again weighed in on trans people with Daily Wire editor and fierce conservative Ben Shapiro, who’s widely shared his anti-trans sentiments.

When talking about Caitlyn Jenner, Rogan said, “Notice I’m saying ‘she.’ I’m being politically correct.”
 
Rogan then went on to refer to the push for transgender equality as “compulsory” and “rabid.” He has also mocked gender-neutral pronouns.

He's pretty clearly anti-trans, transphobic is a misnomer for he and most as I don't think he has a literal fear of the trans community, but he sure in the eff isn't a supporter. This simply isn't debatable. I'm nearly 100% certain that you won't care but I hope 7 rethinks his stance here.

Also I really don't understand why Rogan fans who happen to lean liberal can't acknowledge that he's entertaining but does some shitty things and shouldn't give a platform to some of the people that he does. Grown ass men can't distinguish an entertainer from their friend, just willing to swallow whole stupid crap famous people do just because they make them laugh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
Lol

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/203229861966381056

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1221121472053284869
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 25, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
The people who listen to what Joe Rogan has to say demographic doesn't sound like one that turns out to vote.

I think they're the demographic who have only voted once in their entire lifetime, and that vote was for Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on January 25, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
Also I really don't understand why Rogan fans who happen to lean liberal can't acknowledge that he's entertaining but does some shitty things and shouldn't give a platform to some of the people that he does.

I can't speak for others, but I'm very comfortable admitting this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 25, 2020, 02:11:22 PM
Yeah he's a dumb meathead and has a propensity to believe some daxian crap.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 25, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.

NO crap! how did everyone misinterpret my point?

my post wasn't intended as a rebuttal to yours.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 25, 2020, 08:27:01 PM
Yeah he's a dumb meathead and has a propensity to believe some daxian crap.

I agree but he's very entertaining.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 25, 2020, 08:47:23 PM
i don't think it's an important endorsement for the primary (and arguably harmful).  for the general is a completely different story.

NO crap! how did everyone misinterpret my point?

my post wasn't intended as a rebuttal to yours.

sys, I don't tell you enough how much I respect and appreciate you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
Yeah he's a dumb meathead and has a propensity to believe some daxian crap.

I still sometimes am in disbelief how big the audience he has is.  He is a stand up comedian / ufc announcer getting mumped up on weed and booze drinks while recording. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2020, 06:41:53 AM
What kind of personality and actions on air do you believe would appeal to more of the population?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 26, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
I mean if you look at the top 20 podcasts of 2019 it’s stuff like NPR, Crime Investigations, News and then Joe talking to Alex Jones about aliens and Obama being a CIA asset.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2020, 11:55:21 AM
You can take a group of like 7 states and that’s all that matters. We really should throw the electoral college in the garbage.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/grabmybuttsticc/status/1221501881626677248


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 26, 2020, 06:38:55 PM
sys, I don't tell you enough how much I respect and appreciate you.

thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 26, 2020, 06:40:48 PM
I think this is what I was expecting. Does Trump get like a handicap of like ~+3 with the electoral college?

that's the expectation currently.  maybe a little higher even.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 26, 2020, 07:59:55 PM
Lol

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1221584561555025922
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2020, 08:02:11 PM
Incredible


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
 :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 08:02:39 AM
Yeah he's a dumb meathead and has a propensity to believe some daxian crap.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/R7f189Z0v0Y[/youtube]

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 08:09:14 AM
Biden-Mega corrupt racist war monger, will have immediate impeachment and special counsel talk if elected

Bernie-Socialist Whack-A-Doo and unaccomplished lifetime politician who loves Russia and Cuba

Soccer Grandma- Dis-ingenious Socialist Whack-A-Doo

Klobuchar-Insane

Mayor Pete-Needs to learn how to run South Bend, IN first

Michael Bloomberg-Total stud and only choice

Bloomberg2020

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2020, 08:14:23 AM
A Biden impeachment would be great. I don't see the republicans taking the house if he wins, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
A Biden impeachment would be great. I don't see the republicans taking the house if he wins, though.

Dems will prove the impeachment of Trump wasn't a partisan political ploy because they were terrified that Trump might win again and so if Biden is elected, they'll do the right thing.




























 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2020, 08:33:05 AM
Probably need some evidence of wrongdoing first. JMHO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 08:42:21 AM
Probably need some evidence of wrongdoing first. JMHO

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2020, 08:49:50 AM
Probably need some evidence of wrongdoing first. JMHO

I think there are enough odd things about his son getting the job in Ukraine for an investigation. I doubt it would turn up anything illegal, but the public should be made aware of anything unethical that way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 08:51:09 AM
James Biden Residential Housing Construction "Expert" . . . or at least when a certain company needed a Federal award from a certain administration.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2020, 08:56:48 AM
This is an incredible talking point in the age of Trump


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 09:06:38 AM
Democratic corruption is perfectly acceptable
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 27, 2020, 09:08:00 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on January 27, 2020, 09:22:49 AM
Imagine being so gullible and small-minded that you think Hunter Biden or James Biden has any relevance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 09:27:39 AM
Imagine being so gullible and small-minded that you think Hunter Biden or James Biden has any relevance.



Hopefully my guy Mike Bloomberg can overcome mainstream LibDork Nation's unyielding support of mega corrupt racist war monger Joe Biden and win the nomination.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2020, 10:48:41 AM
OMG, this guy.    :lol:

(https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.wQHUl_fd76inUVwCGFPTWwHaFS?w=228&h=160&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 27, 2020, 04:46:55 PM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1217105244615671808
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 27, 2020, 06:46:24 PM
I think this is what I was expecting. Does Trump get like a handicap of like ~+3 with the electoral college?

https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1221929509034680320
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2020, 08:21:18 AM
I'd been puzzled whenever I'd read about the Democratic establishment freaking out about Bernie. Because 2020 seems nothing like 2016 in that regard.

https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1222153404706906112
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
I'd been puzzled whenever I'd read about the Democratic establishment freaking out about Bernie. Because 2020 seems nothing like 2016 in that regard.

https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1222153404706906112

The Atlantic: Bernie Can’t Win
But unless other Democrats take a page from his book—stressing the practical over the theoretical, the universal over the particular—they won’t prevail either.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/bernie-sanderss-biggest-challenges/605500/?utm_source=feed

Politico: ‘They let him get away with murder’: Dems tormented over how to stop Bernie

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/democrats-bernie-sanders-rise-105825

Washington Post: Bernie Sanders’s Trump-like campaign is a disaster for Democrats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/27/bernie-sanderss-trump-like-campaign-is-disaster-democrats/


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
The machine at work. Nice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 12:50:45 PM
New York: Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be An Act Of Insanity

https://web.archive.org/web/20200128173104/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2020, 03:30:07 PM
I wonder if there have been any columns written about why any of the other Democratic candidates can't win.

I share this impression:

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1222254416901832705
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1222255489855213569
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 28, 2020, 03:39:29 PM
lmao Pete


https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1222253684849041408


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
https://twitter.com/timothypmurphy/status/1222270709143162883
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 03:48:37 PM
if the media decides it is appropriate to destroy the little eff on his way out, i will like that very much.

https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1222135364003016706
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2020, 03:50:01 PM
lmao Pete


https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1222253684849041408


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So does he make hay in the middle, with you?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2020, 03:50:28 PM
if the media decides it is appropriate to destroy the little eff on his way out, i will like that very much.

https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1222135364003016706
Much anger in this one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
nyt also reporting that buttigieg is as bad at running a campaign as he was at running a very small city.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1222125306036858886
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
Sys hitting it out of the park on Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 05:11:26 PM
could be important.  although they could mobilize without an endorsement.  not sure if reid still can call shots in las vegas, but i'd assume so until it's proven otherwise.

https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/1222279983218823168
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 28, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
That corn pop story really paid dividends for joe with black voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 06:26:10 PM
basically the entire sanders surge (in iowa) comes from people that have never participated in elections before.  how pollsters are treating those individuals determines if they release a poll showing sanders up or biden up.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1222303735944228866
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2020, 06:30:51 PM
The above age breakdown for Bernie really stood out to me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 28, 2020, 08:04:23 PM
Dickhead
https://twitter.com/TomSteyer/status/1222271988535705601
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 28, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
The guy who definitely has used a spoon before has logged on

https://twitter.com/mike2020/status/1222324982786797568


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2020, 08:45:28 PM
@sonofdaxjones
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on January 28, 2020, 08:50:55 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1222257575250579458
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 28, 2020, 08:53:15 PM
Ok now I see why Dax likes him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
i don't get the big gay ice cream joke.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 28, 2020, 09:23:19 PM
I don’t think it’s a joke


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 28, 2020, 09:38:18 PM
The dog clip is adorable, I might be on the bloomsie train
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 09:41:39 PM
oh.  well, i don't understand why he's recorded an advertisement for big gay ice cream, which apparently is a brand of ice cream either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 09:57:15 PM
oh.  well, i don't understand why he's recorded an advertisement for big gay ice cream, which apparently is a brand of ice cream either.

"I'm Mike Bloomberg, and I'm for the gays, and gay ice cream!"

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2020, 10:37:39 PM
Sysbot rage is best rage.

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
Sysbot rage is best rage.

#bloomberg2020

@sonofdaxjones you're wanted in the chiefs thread
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 11:01:44 PM
Sysbot rage is best rage.

#bloomberg2020

i like bloomberg quite a bit, dax.  always have.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2020, 07:27:38 AM
Sysbot rage is best rage.

#bloomberg2020

i like bloomberg quite a bit, dax.  always have.

Why so mad sys? You mad for something?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2020, 12:21:01 PM
I love all of these. No matter how ridiculous they get you can still see and hear them in 4k HD and Dolby surround.

https://twitter.com/fittedsweats/status/1222580459982422022
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
 :eye:

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1222552068231176192
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
I love all of these. No matter how ridiculous they get you can still see and hear them in 4k HD and Dolby surround.

https://twitter.com/fittedsweats/status/1222580459982422022

:lol:

:eye:

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1222552068231176192

mike is paying young people a shitload of money
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 03:53:15 PM
OMG. 

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2020, 04:15:58 PM
hell yeah bloomy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
The whackadoo Left’s meltdown about Bloom’s snout shake (which some dogs love) only makes me like him that much more (outside a couple of things). 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2020, 05:49:59 PM
I knew you liked it!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
Imagine known psychopath don trump greeting a dog  :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on January 29, 2020, 06:24:27 PM
:eye:

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1222552068231176192

 :love: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
I love all of these. No matter how ridiculous they get you can still see and hear them in 4k HD and Dolby surround.

https://twitter.com/fittedsweats/status/1222580459982422022

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1222688896145747969?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on January 29, 2020, 07:53:54 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on January 29, 2020, 07:59:56 PM
That was a very enjoyably strange watch
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 29, 2020, 08:07:09 PM
I love all of these. No matter how ridiculous they get you can still see and hear them in 4k HD and Dolby surround.

https://twitter.com/fittedsweats/status/1222580459982422022

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1222688896145747969?s=20

https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1749.1925

Yes pls, i'll have more of this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2020, 08:41:23 PM
That video is an incredible piece of art.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on January 29, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
I love all of these. No matter how ridiculous they get you can still see and hear them in 4k HD and Dolby surround.

https://twitter.com/fittedsweats/status/1222580459982422022

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1222688896145747969?s=20

https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1749.1925

Yes pls, i'll have more of this

Wut did I just watch?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 09:02:51 PM
Liz Warren sounds more Gestapo like with every waking moment. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2020, 09:04:46 PM
I guess I prefer warren to the rest of the viable candidates.  It really does bother me how rough ridin' old they all are, I may need to reflect on that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 09:14:51 PM
I guess I prefer warren to the rest of the viable candidates.  It really does bother me how rough ridin' old they all are, I may need to reflect on that.

Under a Warren presidency your post could be dubbed as disinformation and you could be prosecuted. 

Also, don’t work for an political opposition.  Liz May subject you to years of investigation. 

#polishthoseboots
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 29, 2020, 09:24:48 PM
That was a very enjoyably strange watch

Yeah that was.....yes pls ill have more of this quality
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 10:27:57 PM
That was a very enjoyably strange watch

Yeah that was.....yes pls ill have more of this quality

Da Big Dummy, Liz Warren has got the authoritarian dictatorial thing going and I know useful idiots like you are attracted to that kind of thing.  A Brownshirt for Barack like you should transition easily. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 29, 2020, 10:30:50 PM
That was a very enjoyably strange watch

Yeah that was.....yes pls ill have more of this quality

Da Big Dummy, Liz Warren has got the authoritarian dictatorial thing going and I know useful idiots like you are attracted to that kind of thing.  A Brownshirt for Barack like you should transition easily.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/Hf61JhIufsQTe/source.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 10:32:32 PM
Simpleton response. 

Expected
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 29, 2020, 10:35:07 PM
How was kickball tonight as the senior center Dax?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2020, 10:36:45 PM
How was kickball tonight as the senior center Dax?

When you’ve got nothing, turn to rage. The simpleton way
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
Bernie already letting his inner Stalin come out.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sanders-prepares-to-sign-dozens-of-executive-orders-upon-taking-office-we-cannot-accept-delays-from-congress/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 30, 2020, 01:04:34 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/postal-workers-union-200000-members-endorses-sanders-68641107 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/postal-workers-union-200000-members-endorses-sanders-68641107)

If the culinary union in Nevada is indeed sitting out an endorsement, the rank and file will go to Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on January 30, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
@sonofdaxjones, how long are you going to keep trying this obviously fake Bloomberg supporter thing?  Just curious.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
If the culinary union in Nevada is indeed sitting out an endorsement, the rank and file will go to Bernie.

in 2016, they voted the other way and probably changed who won the state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on January 30, 2020, 02:43:30 PM
If the culinary union in Nevada is indeed sitting out an endorsement, the rank and file will go to Bernie.

in 2016, they voted the other way and probably changed who won the state.

Latinos are one of Bernie's strongest constituencies this time and Biden hasn't rounded up all the early union endorsements like Clintons.  I think it is a huge benefit to Bernie that the early Clinton endorsement blew up on them last time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
polling generally puts biden and sanders at about even with latinos and with about the same divergence by age as seen among non-latino voters.  i have no idea what the age distribution is among latino culinary members, but in 2016 reid encouraging culinary to go caucus was widely seen as having helped clinton to win las vegas and accordingly the state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2020, 04:15:14 PM
@sonofdaxjones, how long are you going to keep trying this obviously fake Bloomberg supporter thing?  Just curious.

ChinStalker, welcome back.

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 30, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
possibly somewhat informative of culinary's preferences.

https://twitter.com/NicholsUprising/status/1222542366768345093
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 06:03:50 AM
https://twitter.com/Valgb1961/status/1223213776658423810
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2020, 06:39:14 AM
I wonder if Pete will try to remain a public figure after this. And, how so?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
Delaney reminds people that he was still actually running


https://twitter.com/johndelaney/status/1223228260131188736


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 07:18:16 AM
i never figured john delaney as a quitter.  disappointing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on January 31, 2020, 09:08:19 AM
1/19??? lmao nobody is reading all of that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
The people reading all 19 tweets are in tears and thinking, "it really looked like this was going to be John's year."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on January 31, 2020, 09:15:19 AM
TIL that Delaney supporters were called Delaniacs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
wth


https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1223232960830279682


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2020, 09:17:34 AM
What were you even doing John?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2020, 09:18:27 AM
He should run as a fiscally conservative republican, he'd fit right in
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
https://twitter.com/KrillTusk/status/1223115310628081665
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2020, 09:42:48 AM
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2020, 10:33:38 AM
He should run as a fiscally conservative republican, he'd fit right in

Zing!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
These are pretty nice

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
my god.  sanders is burning through money like he's bloomberg.

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223336922631802881
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
I wonder if Pete will try to remain a public figure after this. And, how so?

That ambition doesn't just fade away.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
wth


https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1223232960830279682


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His first Iowa ad was a Super Bowl ad, in 20fucking18!!! I'm certain I posted about it somewhere here
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 09:37:16 PM
spent a lot less than sanders (and warren/buttigieg).  didn't come into the quarter with as much and he certainly doesn't have the income that sanders does (incidentally and anecdotally, warren seems to still be raising fairly well, but buttigieg appears to have dropped off a lot), but his money disadvantage doesn't seem as severe as it might have been.

https://twitter.com/CATargetBot/status/1223447189998825472
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 10:43:28 PM
warren in a nutshell.

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1222146302680739841

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1223389175468249088
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2020, 10:58:00 PM
Not sure which ones Bloomberg doesn’t satisfy, but the unique donations rules seem stupid the later you get in the game. If they’re polling higher than others on the debate stage they should be in the debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on January 31, 2020, 11:16:33 PM
Not sure which ones Bloomberg doesn’t satisfy, but the unique donations rules seem stupid the later you get in the game. If they’re polling higher than others on the debate stage they should be in the debates.

the dnc eliminated donor requirements for the pre-nevada debate, clearing the way for bloomberg to participate if he meets the polling or delegate requirements.

warren just tweeted out whining about billionaires participating, but she earlier sent people to lobby the dnc for the requirements to be set so that bloomberg would qualify.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 31, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Your vote doesn’t matter, sys. You rough ridin' weirdo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 01, 2020, 12:14:07 AM
i don't know how to take that, the big train.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 01, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Don’t pay any attention to Da Big Dummy. 


Nice work by the DNC.

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 01, 2020, 08:55:42 AM
Yeah I took it more to be just poor messaging, not necessarily double talk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 01, 2020, 09:40:56 AM
Hopefully my guy #bloomberg2020 is avoiding these kind of immature outbursts

https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1223442238509850624?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 01, 2020, 09:46:00 AM
Tlaib rules
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
Not sure which ones Bloomberg doesn’t satisfy, but the unique donations rules seem stupid the later you get in the game. If they’re polling higher than others on the debate stage they should be in the debates.

the dnc eliminated donor requirements for the pre-nevada debate, clearing the way for bloomberg to participate if he meets the polling or delegate requirements.

warren just tweeted out whining about billionaires participating, but she earlier sent people to lobby the dnc for the requirements to be set so that bloomberg would qualify.

That's a good example why she'll never get my vote.  She's a lot like Hillary as she likes to lie about what her intent is for followers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 10:24:26 AM
Yeah, boo’ing Hillary should be a common ground thread addition


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
Also I agree with letting Bloomy into the debate. When you are worth billions you shouldn’t be accepting donations to begin with. Not getting any should be encouraged.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Also I agree with letting Bloomy into the debate. When you are worth billions you shouldn’t be accepting donations to begin with. Not getting any should be encouraged.


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Agreed, make him spend that money.  The super bowl add going cost a few pennies.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2020, 10:54:11 AM
He should spend his money on something useful
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 12:54:53 PM
He should spend his money on something useful

He should spend it on whatever brings him the most joy


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 01, 2020, 01:40:20 PM
He should spend his money on something useful
Yeah. He should spend his money however he wants, you commie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 01, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
The government should be taking his money and spending it on something better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 03:14:43 PM
The government should be taking his money and spending it on something better.

Yes, acceptable


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2020, 03:39:28 PM
:lol: 

https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1223685195808890881
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 03:43:30 PM
lmao, joe's still got it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 01, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
He should spend his money on something useful

He should spend it on whatever brings him the most joy


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Would vote SD prez
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2020, 04:29:51 PM
Everyone would, I’d whip ass as a candidate


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
I do not think spending a shitload of money running for president maximizes his happiness. As his advisor this is my position
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 02, 2020, 07:54:27 AM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1223957648107851777
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 02, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
my guess is bernie goes full burn it down executive order wild like trump has if he's elected. no way his old ass is able to compromise to get anything real done otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 02, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117

I think stuff like this begs the question, does Bernie stay in ideologue mode or is he able to compromise with other stakeholders and other viewpoints in an effort to be more consequentialist.
That's a bit of a misleading headline and first paragraph.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 02, 2020, 10:50:00 AM


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117

I think stuff like this begs the question, does Bernie stay in ideologue mode or is he able to compromise with other stakeholders and other viewpoints in an effort to be more consequentialist.
That's a bit of a misleading headline and first paragraph.

Agreed in the sense the article directly states he doesn't plan on making all electrical power production federally owned a la akin to health insurance. He is talking about a level of regulation that prescribes limited solutions and an aggressive, ymmv, timescale.

It seems like the big critique of the article is one of the solutions he would provide (the federal government producing clean energy and selling it to local utilities).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 02, 2020, 05:55:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1224091077021401090
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 03:20:54 AM
warren in a nutshell.

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1222146302680739841

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1223389175468249088

Reading comprehension ain't what it used to be, I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 03:30:10 AM
Not sure which ones Bloomberg doesn’t satisfy, but the unique donations rules seem stupid the later you get in the game. If they’re polling higher than others on the debate stage they should be in the debates.

the dnc eliminated donor requirements for the pre-nevada debate, clearing the way for bloomberg to participate if he meets the polling or delegate requirements.

warren just tweeted out whining about billionaires participating, but she earlier sent people to lobby the dnc for the requirements to be set so that bloomberg would qualify.

I guess it's possible the allied group decided to take action without directly consulting with Warren or her campaign team. :dunno:

No one needs your rough ridin' rationality, Memphis. We have women to bash here, complete with the Hillary comparisons, it's perfect. Bitches be duplicitous amirite right sys and katdaddy? Supporters of male candidates always stay on message, and we always hold those candidates responsible for what their supporters say and do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 03:33:43 AM
Caucus Day! Updates coming from my site tonight, gonna miss the first half of the basketball game though  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2020, 08:08:43 AM
Caucus Day! Updates coming from my site tonight, gonna miss the first half of the basketball game though  :frown:
There is no time to Caucasus, you should celebrate Chiefs instead
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2020, 08:25:13 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117

I think stuff like this begs the question, does Bernie stay in ideologue mode or is he able to compromise with other stakeholders and other viewpoints in an effort to be more consequentialist.

I think people should learn about the TVA would help them understand this proposal and why it is good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 08:53:54 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476


Biden will most certainly have almost immediate and well deserved investigations launched on him if he’s elected.  At least if the Pubs hold the Senate.

Bernie is going to channel his inner Stalin with executive orders. 

The only plausible choice is Bloomberg. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 03, 2020, 09:13:43 AM
I don't see an investigation on the president as a bad thing. Hopefully Biden cooperates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 03, 2020, 09:20:55 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476


Biden will most certainly have almost immediate and well deserved investigations launched on him if he’s elected.  At least if the Pubs hold the Senate.

Bernie is going to channel his inner Stalin with executive orders. 

The only plausible choice is Bloomberg.

What's with you and mini Mike?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2020, 09:22:42 AM
Caucus Day! Updates coming from my site tonight, gonna miss the first half of the basketball game though  :frown:

EXCITED TO FOLLOW!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 03, 2020, 09:23:46 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476


Biden will most certainly have almost immediate and well deserved investigations launched on him if he’s elected.  At least if the Pubs hold the Senate.

Bernie is going to channel his inner Stalin with executive orders. 

The only plausible choice is Bloomberg.

What's with you and mini Mike?

It makes sense. Support a candidate with no chance so when you ultimately vote Trump, you can say it's because the D's just didn't nominate your guy. His guy was Biden before Biden got in the race and was the front runner.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
I don't see an investigation on the president as a bad thing. Hopefully Biden cooperates.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 10:23:15 AM
It was Biden before we fully understand the length and depth of the Biden's world wide corruption and racketeering that LibDork Leadership has circled the wagons on.

I would never vote for Liz Warren or Breadline Bernie. 

The next in-line would be Pete. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 03, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
Dax also claims he totally doesn't want trump to run in 2020  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 11:14:19 AM
The universe forces dax to vote for Trump. And also to never say a bad thing about Trump. And also to trash everyone who is not Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
I've called Trump stupid a lot, called his spending absurd and his military budget absurd, among many things.

But I remind myself that I"m dealing with people who will hit us with the ol "I held my nose" explanation on their vote, or take some bullshit cop out write in.

 :jerk: :jerk: :jerk: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 03, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
Trump is unbelievably stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 03, 2020, 12:57:06 PM
Caucus Day! Updates coming from my site tonight, gonna miss the first half of the basketball game though  :frown:

 :excited:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 04:18:07 PM
Bolshevik Bernie has'em doing a lot of hand wringing

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1224334092457709568?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
That’s crazy that so much goes into this democrat iowa thing when the whole state’s going to go for trump in 10 months.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 03, 2020, 04:40:05 PM
That’s crazy that so much goes into this democrat iowa thing when the whole state’s going to go for trump in 10 months.

I don’t think it’s a given. Iowa seems like a state with a decent amount of disaffected Trump voters from 2016 and the state has a history of being pretty _Fence.

gE correspondent MIR could prob tell you better tho. Awaiting his evening report.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
Rich equals Republican now??  Would you guys make your minds.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/mike-bloomberg-democratic-contested-convention/605956/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 05:27:34 PM
Caucus Day! Updates coming from my site tonight, gonna miss the first half of the basketball game though  :frown:
There is no time to Caucasus, you should celebrate Chiefs instead

 :nono: happy for y'all though
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 05:46:45 PM
That’s crazy that so much goes into this democrat iowa thing when the whole state’s going to go for trump in 10 months.

I don’t think it’s a given. Iowa seems like a state with a decent amount of disaffected Trump voters from 2016 and the state has a history of being pretty _Fence.

gE correspondent MIR could prob tell you better tho. Awaiting his evening report.

Iowa is a purple battleground state and has as long as we've all been alive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/RAICESTEXAS/status/1224314583256633344
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 05:59:27 PM
The first satellite caucus is starting to report from Phoenix.  The only viable candidates after the first round are, in order; Klo, Pete, Biden, and Warren. No delegates for Sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 06:04:42 PM
Don't have the final numbers but Klo won the worldwide, caucus. Same order of the Arizona satellite site.

1. Klo
2. Pete
3. Biden
4. Warren

All relatively close, no other candidates won delegates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
First Iowa satellite site has reported, it was at Drake University
5 Delegates for Bernie
2 Delegates for Warren

The in state satellite sites are for people who can't make the 7:00PM start time for the others. The Drake one started at 4:30, there will be others later tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 07:09:28 PM
We are live at my caucus, it's early but Bernie and Sleepy Joe aren't close to viable
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 07:11:17 PM
I don't want to take a photo but Steyer have more caucusers than Bernie or Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 03, 2020, 07:12:09 PM
Pete the leader in the clubhouse?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 07:22:31 PM
Yes, Pete looks to have twice as many as Warren and Klo right now. Bernie and Steyer still have a chance at viability but Joe is cooked, he will get no delegates from here. I'll be interested to see where the undecideds and non viables go. They represent about 1/3 of the people here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 07:34:40 PM
#teambloomberg

https://m.facebook.com/mikebloomberg/videos/605476180214703/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fwatch%2F&_rdr
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 07:51:06 PM
This is sloppy as hell. The first alignments are over. The viable candidates listed by size of caucus goers are

Pete
Klo
Warren
Steyer
Bernie

There were Bernie supporters who went to Bernie to make him viable and Klo supporters who went to Steyer to make him viable. Most yang gang and Sleepy Joe people went to Pete. Now we have to complete cards to declare the choice.

These numbers will be reported as well as the final delegate count. This number absolutely shouldn't mean anything, it's a total shell game.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 07:59:05 PM
Joe's ground game and organization was virtually non-existent, you could see this from my report at his sad showing at the Liberty & Justice dinner in November. They didn't even have anyone assigned to speak at this thing. If he doesn't find some money and organization, his campaign is going to quickly join corn pop in the grave.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 03, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
Thanks for the report MIR


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 03, 2020, 08:09:11 PM
Darn. I was hoping the caucus format might benefit Yang
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 08:12:07 PM
 :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:

This is brutal
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 08:12:47 PM
Darn. I was hoping the caucus format might benefit Yang

It will at the larger caucuses
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 08:25:53 PM
Joe's ground game and organization was virtually non-existent

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP4sUYmXsAI01V_?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1224497033979011072
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
This is my favorite type of material.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP5VAmpWkAII1si?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Darn. I was hoping the caucus format might benefit Yang

It will at the larger caucuses
Just due to the contrast?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 08:44:24 PM
What a ridiculous thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1224493847411089414?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 09:01:09 PM
What a ridiculous thing.

https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/1224527428359544832
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 09:19:49 PM
Darn. I was hoping the caucus format might benefit Yang

It will at the larger caucuses
Just due to the contrast?

Due to where his campaign was focused on getting votes from. Although I'm in the Des Moines area, it's a rural district, he didn't spend any time there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 03, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
https://twitter.com/johnpemble/status/1224520318854799361
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
What a ridiculous thing.

https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/1224527428359544832

Good for them. They are young, passionate, and politically active. I'm willing to bet that they probably spent time working for their candidate as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 09:32:02 PM
https://twitter.com/johnpemble/status/1224520318854799361

This process was incredibly frustrating and frankly I felt like I wasted my time. There is a 100% chance our site didn't even work correctly. They somehow meshed the two alignments together, we only had one. Bear in mind the cards that you have to fill out has two sides on it, one for each alignment. I mentioned the Warren campaign helping the Sanders campaign and the Klobuchar campaign helping Steyer. They essentially negotiated this so that those candidates would be viable then the people would switch back. Well they never got a chance to switch back and it made a difference in the number of delegates won. If those deals weren't done, and I guarantee you the people doing it didn't realize what the hell they were doing, Klobuchar would have won 3 delegates, Pete would have won 2 and Warren would have won 2.

The actual results after the count saw Pete with 2, Klo with 2, Sanders, Warren, and Steyer with 1 each. We also had Bernie and Warren in a dead heat, so I have no idea where the coin toss is supposed to happen. What a total disaster.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
https://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/1224528119916265472
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 09:41:12 PM
I wonder how other states, like Kansas, run their caucuses.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 03, 2020, 09:42:36 PM
I wonder how other states, like Kansas, run their caucuses.

We’re primary brahs now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 03, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
This is a total cluster.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Taking pics of the results, texting to precinct leaders who will drive them in . . . I O W A (LibDork Technology)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 03, 2020, 10:19:55 PM
Klobuchar talking . . . apparently has a staff dressing down to get to
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 10:29:22 PM
I wonder how other states, like Kansas, run their caucuses.

We’re primary brahs now.

Is this new? Wasn't 2016 a caucus?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 10:38:25 PM
Well since this is taking forever, because it's a cluster eff, again. I'm going to guess the order of delegates won.

1. Pete
2. Liz
3. Bernie
4. Klo
5. Sleepy Joe
6. Yang
7. Steyer

Nothing will really change. Pete will finally be legitimized, Warren will get a bit of momentum, Yang will become eligible for the next debate, and people will clown on how wrong the polling was, again. Everything else, status quo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 10:41:14 PM
#MyGal looks and sounds energized tonight. I had been feeling meh about her but this speech is really good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 10:54:48 PM
Props to Bernie for the Howard Dean shout out!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 10:59:29 PM
Props to Bernie for the Howard Dean shout out!
Care to share which site you were at? My understanding is that each site is basically anecdotally evident of the broader performance, and the other anecdotal evidence suggests a different result, but idk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 11:01:25 PM
Props to Bernie for the Howard Dean shout out!
Care to share which site you were at? My understanding is that each site is basically anecdotally evident of the broader performance, and the other anecdotal evidence suggests a different result, but idk.

I was referring to the speech he just gave, he did a tongue-in-cheek Howard Dean "we're going to..." finish to his speech.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 11:02:41 PM
Props to Bernie for the Howard Dean shout out!
Care to share which site you were at? My understanding is that each site is basically anecdotally evident of the broader performance, and the other anecdotal evidence suggests a different result, but idk.

I was referring to the speech he just gave, he did a tongue-in-cheek Howard Dean "we're going to..." finish to his speech.
Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 11:03:44 PM
Buckle up, first bit of whining tonight is coming from the Biden campaign. They know they got their asses kicked tonight and are crying already. I'll try to find the statement.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 11:06:31 PM
Buckle up, first bit of whining tonight is coming from the Biden campaign. They know they got their asses kicked tonight and are crying already. I'll try to find the statement.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1224553735483011073
Whiny bitches :bawl:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 11:15:36 PM
Props to Bernie for the Howard Dean shout out!
Care to share which site you were at? My understanding is that each site is basically anecdotally evident of the broader performance, and the other anecdotal evidence suggests a different result, but idk.

I was referring to the speech he just gave, he did a tongue-in-cheek Howard Dean "we're going to..." finish to his speech.
Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.

Gotcha, I'm in Madrid, right on the NW corner of Polk County. No each site is not representative of the larger state. The candidates run very different campaigns based on the demographics in which they are located. Imagine a national campaign but on a small scale and that's what you have here. My rural district just isn't a place where Yang is spent time and money. My congressional district is one of the most conservative in the country, hello Steve King, so it was thought that Biden, Klo, and Pete would run it up here, and they pretty much did. My actual county, Boone, only had Klo and Warren paid workers here, everyone else came from Ames and DSM.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2020, 11:16:43 PM
I think what we're going to find, when we finally get numbers, is that Klo beat Biden's ass and everything else is as expected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
Did any of this matter?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2020, 11:21:02 PM
Also goddamnit, I googled that crap dax wanted us to google, clicked on warren’s link about it, got instantly bored and quit, and now I’m getting warren ads everywhere.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 03, 2020, 11:25:35 PM
My guy Pete is popping his collar
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
I have such a Pete boner, tbh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 11:38:28 PM
He has the moderate flavors I savor, as my good bud stevedave would say (or should say).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 11:43:06 PM
I mean, he's the smartest person. Let's just give it to him. I trust him in the off chance we actually need him to make important decisions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 03, 2020, 11:44:23 PM
Don't really care that he's all fake and what not. Only care about intelligence/competence.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 12:00:28 AM
buttigieg presumably has some pretty good intel that they won at least one of the reported votes.  otherwise, the media is gonna drag him for this.

https://twitter.com/paigelav/status/1224565861823938560
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 12:02:34 AM
buttigieg presumably has some pretty good intel that they won at least one of the reported votes.  otherwise, the media is gonna drag him for this.

https://twitter.com/paigelav/status/1224565861823938560
Oh really? Would you "drag" him for it if he only got 2d or 3d?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 12:13:05 AM
i'm saying i think he probably knows he won, spracne.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 12:18:20 AM
i'm saying i think he probably knows he won, spracne.
But if he didn't, what then?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 12:33:28 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 12:35:59 AM
i'm saying i think he probably knows he won, spracne.
But if he didn't, what then?

I think so as well but the number of delegates awarded will be nearly identical for the top three or four. They all have victory speeches with the exception of Sleepy Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 12:43:48 AM
i'm saying i think he probably knows he won, spracne.
But if he didn't, what then?

then he's taking a risk that i don't think is warranted.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 12:56:04 AM
Meh.  In my years on this earth, one thing I've learned is that it's usually not THAT much of a risk to go out on a limb and make a bold prediction.  Most people don't have the time or energy to remember you were wrong, but if you end up being right you can shove it into everyone's faces whenever you want.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2020, 01:07:52 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?

No. If it was, I’d declare that it didn’t and officially appoint Biden as the nominee. I’m asking if whatever the results of this thing were will have any impact on who the nominee ends up being.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:28:15 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?

No. If it was, I’d declare that it didn’t and officially appoint Biden as the nominee. I’m asking if whatever the results of this thing were will have any impact on who the nominee ends up being.

You're almost assuredly not asking that question in good faith. The question is so stripped of nuance that it's difficult to ascertain what you're fishing for.

Iowa will award 41 delegates out of the 3979 total delegates awarded, that's firmly midrange for all states and territories reporting. However of the four earthly reporting states, it's more than a fourth of the delegates available. Whenever these results come in, they will reflect the smallest number of delegates awarded to the winner in the history of the caucuses. The differences between the number of delegates awarded to 1st place and 5th place will be less than 7 delegates, or approximately 1/3 of 1% of the delegates needed to reach the 1990 delegates needed to win. That's the data, you figure out what that means to you.

Having read this thread beyond the last 24 hours, I would guess that one would know going in that the number of delegates awarded in this caucus really isn't the point, at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:35:51 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:39:41 AM
Also he keeps pointing out districts that Pete won that Trump won in the 2016 general, as if that rough ridin' matters one damn bit. These numbers are so small that there literally may be one, maybe two disaffected trump voters represented in each precinct.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2020, 01:45:24 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?

No. If it was, I’d declare that it didn’t and officially appoint Biden as the nominee. I’m asking if whatever the results of this thing were will have any impact on who the nominee ends up being.

You're almost assuredly not asking that question in good faith. The question is so stripped of nuance that it's difficult to ascertain what you're fishing for.

Iowa will award 41 delegates out of the 3979 total delegates awarded, that's firmly midrange for all states and territories reporting. However of the four earthly reporting states, it's more than a fourth of the delegates available. Whenever these results come in, they will reflect the smallest number of delegates awarded to the winner in the history of the caucuses. The differences between the number of delegates awarded to 1st place and 5th place will be less than 7 delegates, or approximately 1/3 of 1% of the delegates needed to reach the 1990 delegates needed to win. That's the data, you figure out what that means to you.

Having read this thread beyond the last 24 hours, I would guess that one would know going in that the number of delegates awarded in this caucus really isn't the point, at all.

Well yeah, I read earlier that this thing historically means more than raw iowa delegate numbers, in that it shapes perceptions in future states or even motivates people to quit. With as much of a lol clusterfuck as it was and with that being more visible than ever before, I’m guessing it won’t have that historical effect and the whole thing will be largely dismissed. If so, it won’t have mattered, aside from the rest of the world now joining us in iowa mockery.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:55:41 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?

No. If it was, I’d declare that it didn’t and officially appoint Biden as the nominee. I’m asking if whatever the results of this thing were will have any impact on who the nominee ends up being.

You're almost assuredly not asking that question in good faith. The question is so stripped of nuance that it's difficult to ascertain what you're fishing for.

Iowa will award 41 delegates out of the 3979 total delegates awarded, that's firmly midrange for all states and territories reporting. However of the four earthly reporting states, it's more than a fourth of the delegates available. Whenever these results come in, they will reflect the smallest number of delegates awarded to the winner in the history of the caucuses. The differences between the number of delegates awarded to 1st place and 5th place will be less than 7 delegates, or approximately 1/3 of 1% of the delegates needed to reach the 1990 delegates needed to win. That's the data, you figure out what that means to you.

Having read this thread beyond the last 24 hours, I would guess that one would know going in that the number of delegates awarded in this caucus really isn't the point, at all.

Well yeah, I read earlier that this thing historically means more than raw iowa delegate numbers, in that it shapes perceptions in future states or even motivates people to quit. With as much of a lol clusterfuck as it was and with that being more visible than ever before, I’m guessing it won’t have that historical effect and the whole thing will be largely dismissed. If so, it won’t have mattered, aside from the rest of the world now joining us in iowa mockery.

On it's best, it provides momentum for candidates like Klo who haven't been polling well, but it isn't going to make a candidate who was barely viable, a front runner. Ted Cruz won in 2016, it didn't do crap for him. Iowa results would never cause a candidate to quit, that's dumb. If someone quit after Iowa there was nothing that can save them. People quit because they run out of money or face scandal. Iowa results carry weight for literally 2-3 days before people focus on New Hampshire and South Carolina. It's why Biden is going to do poorly here but he'll swing back on Klobuchar quickly because she's going to get completely skullfucked in New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
And stop acting like Washington State isn't filled with hobos, the klan, and weirdo militia doomsday preppers. It's Colorado with more white people, shittier food and weather. This is embarrassing especially given the population of the state.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-11-13/fbi-report-california-washington-report-highest-number-of-hate-crimes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 02:25:59 AM
Bernie Sanders and his henchman Jeff Weaver wins the award for crybaby dickbag of the night.

https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1224578194948468739

What the eff is the point of releasing internal data from 40% of the precincts? As if this matters for anything in the world. They are going to cry about a fix when the actual numbers don't match what they have. I'm so rough ridin' sick of this campaign and all of their bullshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 02:53:46 AM
i think it's more important than that.  this (assuming what we half know is accurate) is a really shitty result for biden and really good for buttigieg.  biden was already low on money and struggling to raise more (for a frontrunner).  this will make it that much more difficult.  he's not going to have the money to match sanders in advertising in nevada and south carolina.

and there's only like 2-3 days between south carolina and super tuesday.


at any rate, it'll be interesting to see if party actors abandon biden (they've never really consolidated on him) or panic and go looking where else they can land (probably warren).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 05:07:26 AM
I agree with all of that other than I don't know how long Buttigieg will be able to carry any momentum. He'll come out of NH third in delegates, at best, then he's going to get bashed in SC and NV. I think he needed more than essentially a 4 way tie. Klobuchar can really make some centrist momentum if she can cash in at NH. The big winner from tonight has to be Bloomberg as the moderate vote seems to be more wide open than anyone thought. NH is going to be astronomical for Biden. I think he panics and starts to make mistakes. Next debate is Friday night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 05:54:43 AM
Lol

https://twitter.com/johnpemble/status/1224520318854799361?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 06:07:28 AM
He has the moderate flavors I savor, as my good bud stevedave would say (or should say).

Oh I say it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 06:32:54 AM
To me, what's happening is more of an argument to keep caucuses. I've been enjoying all of it.

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1224586186888482818
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 06:54:38 AM
Did any of this matter?

Isn't that your decision to make?

No. If it was, I’d declare that it didn’t and officially appoint Biden as the nominee. I’m asking if whatever the results of this thing were will have any impact on who the nominee ends up being.

Maybe you should ask the candidates who all spent like an entire month meeting with and speaking to tiny groups of Iowans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 06:57:53 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 07:16:46 AM
buttigieg presumably has some pretty good intel that they won at least one of the reported votes.  otherwise, the media is gonna drag him for this.

https://twitter.com/paigelav/status/1224565861823938560
Oh really? Would you "drag" him for it if he only got 2d or 3d?

So Paige just described every "I claim victory" speech in political history.   

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 07:18:02 AM
Overall I give Iowa an A+ . . . in being a total cluster eff.

#believeinus #confidence

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 07:33:19 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
Also, I assume that the political writers for the Des Moines Register are the long term losers here, when Iowa goes 17th in 2024
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 08:01:46 AM
Biggest surprise for me is how absolutely lousy at campaigning Biden is. It's like everyone assumed he would just naturally be good at it and that's the sole reason he ever had any chance. Because when you actually see him in action you're like, "man, this guy's a dumb jackass."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
lmao


https://twitter.com/abiwilks/status/1224648770463371265


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2020, 08:26:35 AM
That's a very good tweet lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2020, 08:40:22 AM
the bernie bros are going all in on the mayo pete fixing the caucus conspiracy

https://twitter.com/nandorvila/status/1224575200509014016?s=20

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224561674679488513?s=20

also LOL at a political startup being named "SHADOW"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 08:43:31 AM
Bernie and Trump supporters have a lot in common.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
Wow. Trending: #MayorCheat
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2020, 08:54:04 AM
Bernie and Trump supporters have a lot in common.


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It reminds me more of hillary supporters blaming the russians for everything
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
Yeah I’d like to meet the 23 year old dummy who thought SHADOW was a good name to develop vote counting software under.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2020, 09:00:30 AM
Yeah I’d like to meet the 23 year old dummy who thought SHADOW was a good name to develop vote counting software under.

https://twitter.com/uifreebies/status/1224598119574171648?s=20

:fatty:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
side note: my company hired a former hillary tech guy and I naturally assumed he was a giant fuckup and then he was fired but now he's got like a better job so what do I know
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
Why are Bernie's people lashing out at Pete rather than the DNC? Are they just saving that for later?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 04, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
side note: my company hired a former hillary tech guy and I naturally assumed he was a giant fuckup and then he was fired but now he's got like a better job so what do I know

I've learned to never doubt people's ability to fail upwards
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 04, 2020, 09:12:32 AM
Why are Bernie's people lashing out at Pete rather than the DNC? Are they just saving that for later?

plenty of folks are lashing out at the DNC

side note: my company hired a former hillary tech guy and I naturally assumed he was a giant fuckup and then he was fired but now he's got like a better job so what do I know

I've learned to never doubt people's ability to fail upwards


I mean once you get to a certain level in a certain circle it's unreal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2020, 09:27:09 AM
And stop acting like Washington State isn't filled with hobos, the klan, and weirdo militia doomsday preppers. It's Colorado with more white people, shittier food and weather. This is embarrassing especially given the population of the state.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-11-13/fbi-report-california-washington-report-highest-number-of-hate-crimes

“Us” as in EMAWs, mocking iowans as in cyclONEnation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2020, 09:31:56 AM
In the only Kansas caucus I have been to, you just show up, write down you candidate on a piece of paper, toss it in a jar, and then leave. They have videos playing of each candidate that you can sit around and watch if you hate yourself. They also had some cookies that you could eat and some coffee that you could pour into a to go cup. I think maybe if you show up at the very start of the thing, people might actually show up to speak and I'm not sure if you can vote before they are finished or not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 09:44:20 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system. In actuality this probably didn't have any effect on the results, I'd hope the system doesn't allow you to report twice with two different results. The issue is the hubris and entitlement the campaign has operated under. Making the volunteers show the Buttigieg show them those sheets, then taking pictures of them, then tweeting them out without redacting what amounts to rectal passwords, is ridiculous. No other campaign has done this once, they did it 17 times.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2020, 09:54:17 AM
I do not like that move by Pete's guy
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah redact the rough ridin' PINs BEN!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system.
This seems like a bad way to run even a student council election.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 10:10:10 AM
Is Lyndsey suggesting Bernie rigged this thing?


https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1224722983152947200


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2020, 10:12:24 AM
No, dnc crashed it cause Bernie was dogwalking papa frontrunner Biden
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Ok, lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 10:22:35 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system. In actuality this probably didn't have any effect on the results, I'd hope the system doesn't allow you to report twice with two different results. The issue is the hubris and entitlement the campaign has operated under. Making the volunteers show the Buttigieg show them those sheets, then taking pictures of them, then tweeting them out without redacting what amounts to rectal passwords, is ridiculous. No other campaign has done this once, they did it 17 times.
What's a rectal password?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 04, 2020, 10:43:00 AM
I guess that's why they call him Mayor Cheat  :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 10:46:16 AM
Why are Bernie's people lashing out at Pete rather than the DNC? Are they just saving that for later?

They're lashing out at everyone without the least bit of self-awareness. The Sanders campaign whining about a fix in '16 is the absolute reason why we have this system in place.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 10:47:50 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system. In actuality this probably didn't have any effect on the results, I'd hope the system doesn't allow you to report twice with two different results. The issue is the hubris and entitlement the campaign has operated under. Making the volunteers show the Buttigieg show them those sheets, then taking pictures of them, then tweeting them out without redacting what amounts to rectal passwords, is ridiculous. No other campaign has done this once, they did it 17 times.
What's a rectal password?

Haha no idea how that got in there
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 10:49:38 AM
https://twitter.com/DevalPatrick/status/1224710331009851393

Drag em', king
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 10:52:01 AM
Ok, lmao


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He was definitely gE'ing, our buddy 7 doesn't do enough drugs to be one of those brain dead bernie bros.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
The desire for power can do funny things to people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 11:02:14 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system. In actuality this probably didn't have any effect on the results, I'd hope the system doesn't allow you to report twice with two different results. The issue is the hubris and entitlement the campaign has operated under. Making the volunteers show the Buttigieg show them those sheets, then taking pictures of them, then tweeting them out without redacting what amounts to rectal passwords, is ridiculous. No other campaign has done this once, they did it 17 times.
What's a rectal password?

Backdoor
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2020, 11:04:07 AM
Ok, lmao


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He was definitely gE'ing, our buddy 7 doesn't do enough drugs to be one of those brain dead bernie bros.

You can call me the conspiracy whisperer
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
I've been hesitant to outright call Pete and his campaign scummy, far be it from me to intentionally hurt catastrophe and spracne's feelings. However, what Pete's communication director in Iowa did tonight is 100% scumbag behavior.

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1224558925946793985

If you're not able to follow, this dude tweeted out the pin number that the caucus workers have to use to report the votes. Least you think he did it on accident, by my count he did it 17 different times. To repeat the communications director of for Pete Buttigieg gave out 17 different pin numbers that are used to report results. He still hasn't taken them down despite literally hundreds of people letting him know what he did.

What’s the concern with publicizing the pin? And I mean that as an actual question. I have no clue.
I wondered this too... is the system so insecure that someone who has a pin that is written on a worksheet going around the room could just report whatever results they want?

The answer is yes. The system relies on about 10,000 volunteers to report results, many of which commit late in the process. Having advanced levels of security is pretty difficult to make work with this system. In actuality this probably didn't have any effect on the results, I'd hope the system doesn't allow you to report twice with two different results. The issue is the hubris and entitlement the campaign has operated under. Making the volunteers show the Buttigieg show them those sheets, then taking pictures of them, then tweeting them out without redacting what amounts to rectal passwords, is ridiculous. No other campaign has done this once, they did it 17 times.
What's a rectal password?

Backdoor
Is that similar to a buttigieg or?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 12:00:32 PM
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1224744589019549696
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 12:04:50 PM
This won't be confusing at all. I'd assumed the above tweet meant final number.

https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1224746034447908864
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2020, 12:08:45 PM
If it'd help, I'm sure all those kids are up for standing in various parts of a gym again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 12:10:49 PM
They won't/can't release a final number because Troy Price, met don't really care for, will not disclose that many many precincts had similar issues that the one I attended did. They're trying to figure out how to tabulate counts that were done incorrectly. They either have to present a flawed count or completely throw out numbers from entire precincts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 04, 2020, 12:13:51 PM
They won't/can't release a final number because Troy Price, met don't really care for, will not disclose that many many precincts had similar issues that the one I attended did. They're trying to figure out how to tabulate counts that were done incorrectly. They either have to present a flawed count or completely throw out numbers from entire precincts.

I know you are a bit self-interested here, and I would be the same way if I got as much say as Iowans get, but can you see how completely this has been mangled from start to finish and that the caucus should be killed?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
Tulsi - The only MAGA Dem human being there will ever be.

Yesssss

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1224749353903874048
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:09:00 PM
They won't/can't release a final number because Troy Price, met don't really care for, will not disclose that many many precincts had similar issues that the one I attended did. They're trying to figure out how to tabulate counts that were done incorrectly. They either have to present a flawed count or completely throw out numbers from entire precincts.

I know you are a bit self-interested here, and I would be the same way if I got as much say as Iowans get, but can you see how completely this has been mangled from start to finish and that the caucus should be killed?

Oh I agree 100%. I don't think there's anyone outside of the IDP paid staff would think anything but this is completely the highest end of fuckery. I've been critical of the IDP and how they run things here, since I've moved here, they continually eff things up. I do think the caucus should be killed and Iowa, NH, SC, and NV should all have their primaries first, together.

My only issue is with the people who say that Iowa shouldn't go first because it isn't diverse enough, that's insulting and low bottom pandering.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 01:35:48 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
Do a round in February to narrow it down to 2-3 people and another round at the end of April so that every state can equally choose the candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:47:40 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.

That's a fantastic way to centralize the power even more. The primaries season is literally the only bit of populism left in American politics. With a system like that the only presidents in our lifetime that would have still been elected are the Bush x2
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 01:48:23 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1224718123045195776

That really should just say "Bernie twitter"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.

That's a fantastic way to centralize the power even more. The primaries season is literally the only bit of populism left in American politics. With a system like that the only presidents in our lifetime that would have still been elected are the Bush x2
Populism for Iowa and New Hampshire and SC maybe, but then Kansas and Indiana and Oregon either don't matter at all, or only get to choose from the 2 or 3 remaining candidates they had no say in narrowing down to.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 04, 2020, 02:15:08 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.

That's a fantastic way to centralize the power even more. The primaries season is literally the only bit of populism left in American politics. With a system like that the only presidents in our lifetime that would have still been elected are the Bush x2

I listened to the fivethirtyeight podcast series on our primary process in America and came away thinking that unless we go to a parliamentary strong party, multi-party system, our system is pretty much the best way to go about it with minor tweaks.

Having Super Tuesday be the whole thing would be a disaster and would take away basically all power from people to choose candidates.  With only two parties to choose from to begin with, we would make our system even less democratic (and it is already pretty un-democratic).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2020, 02:31:04 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.

That's a fantastic way to centralize the power even more. The primaries season is literally the only bit of populism left in American politics. With a system like that the only presidents in our lifetime that would have still been elected are the Bush x2

I listened to the fivethirtyeight podcast series on our primary process in America and came away thinking that unless we go to a parliamentary strong party, multi-party system, our system is pretty much the best way to go about it with minor tweaks.

Having Super Tuesday be the whole thing would be a disaster and would take away basically all power from people to choose candidates.  With only two parties to choose from to begin with, we would make our system even less democratic (and it is already pretty un-democratic).
I just don't know how giving everyone the ability to vote at the same time on the same people results in "less-democratic".  It seems like the thing you remove is the ability to gain a bunch of momentum based on the 10% of Iowans who are willing to spend an evening caucusing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on February 04, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
Yeah, I think it's in the interest of everyone to have a long vetting process such as we have.

The caucus system is dumb though, but I don't really understand the purpose I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 04, 2020, 02:37:36 PM
It seems dumb that anyone goes first. Just have everyone go on the same day like the general.

That's a fantastic way to centralize the power even more. The primaries season is literally the only bit of populism left in American politics. With a system like that the only presidents in our lifetime that would have still been elected are the Bush x2

I listened to the fivethirtyeight podcast series on our primary process in America and came away thinking that unless we go to a parliamentary strong party, multi-party system, our system is pretty much the best way to go about it with minor tweaks.

Having Super Tuesday be the whole thing would be a disaster and would take away basically all power from people to choose candidates.  With only two parties to choose from to begin with, we would make our system even less democratic (and it is already pretty un-democratic).
I just don't know how giving everyone the ability to vote at the same time on the same people results in "less-democratic".  It seems like the thing you remove is the ability to gain a bunch of momentum based on the 10% of Iowans who are willing to spend an evening caucusing.

Because you would need an insane amount of money needed to run a national campaign would limit the field from the start, if you had a multi-candidate field you would have a much bigger chance of no decisive winner and having to essentially go back to the party deciding at the convention. It would be a disaster.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 04, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
If there was a short 2-3 week election cycle where candidates did a series of debates and then a national election of registered Democrats to winnow the field, then a longer election cycle with some sort of hybrid system primaries that would possibly be better. But you can't have strong parties in a two-party system.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
This is why I favor no money in politics and a reddit-like system where candidates can make their pitches directly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
President-electing for all of america shouldn’t happen for a lot of the same reasons there shouldn’t be a national champion system in major college sports.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 04, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
Huffington Post
Pete Buttigieg: When I Said ‘Victorious,’ I Actually Meant Something Else

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e398b3ac5b6ed0033ad033d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 :ROFL: :lol: :ROFL: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Hard hitting stuff
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 04:08:19 PM
Huffington Post
Pete Buttigieg: When I Said ‘Victorious,’ I Actually Meant Something Else

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e398b3ac5b6ed0033ad033d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 :ROFL: :lol: :ROFL: :lol:

Goddamnit, I hate that you people keep forcing me to defend Buttigieg. He has literally said in every interview that has asked that he doesn't view victory as having the most delegates. He hasn't been inconsistent with his message. These candidates need to stop giving statements rebutting dumb fucks on twitter. 75% of the people chirping him hasn't read or listened to crap beyond social media.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:09:07 PM
Huffington Post
Pete Buttigieg: When I Said ‘Victorious,’ I Actually Meant Something Else

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e398b3ac5b6ed0033ad033d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 :ROFL: :ROFL:

Goddamnit, I hate that you people keep forcing me to defend Buttigieg. He has literally said in every interview that has asked that he doesn't view victory as having the most delegates. He hasn't been inconsistent with his message. These candidates need to stop giving statements rebutting dumb fucks on twitter. 75% of the people chirping him hasn't read or listened to crap beyond social media.
Go on, MIR...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1224815800730734593
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 04:16:11 PM
I will, thanks.

I don't even want to read twitter right now. I'm certain that it's filled with batshit crazy bernie bots that don't know jack crap about what has been happening here, talking about how bernie is being cheated. Yeah dumbfucks the Democratic establishment is helping some gay 30 something from rough ridin' south bend, that minorities apparently can't trust. It's so rough ridin' dumb, makes me want to hang myself.

I told you guys during the summer that he was going to do well. In the fall I said he would win. They busted their ass here, they earned it. I don't think they can keep up the momentum, but I might be wrong. If he has to keep doing what he did here, they'll run out of gas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 04:17:57 PM
bernie bros on the tweeter losing their ever loving crap about pete with the early lead
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:20:29 PM
I will, thanks.

I don't even want to read twitter right now. I'm certain that it's filled with batshit crazy bernie bots that don't know jack crap about what has been happening here, talking about how bernie is being cheated. Yeah dumbfucks the Democratic establishment is helping some gay 30 something from rough ridin' south bend, that minorities apparently can't trust. It's so rough ridin' dumb, makes me want to hang myself.

I told you guys during the summer that he was going to do well. In the fall I said he would win. They busted their ass here, they earned it. I don't think they can keep up the momentum, but I might be wrong. If he has to keep doing what he did here, they'll run out of gas.
Lol. I mean, Pete is the best. He's capable of bringing in moderates who were traditionally more conservative, such as myself. Why won't you accept us?! :cry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
All the batshit crazy LibDorks (of which there are 10's of millions) would all be wise to get behind the only hope of the (D).

Mike Bloomberg

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
If you nominate Bernie, I'm sitting this one out, just fyi.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 04, 2020, 04:21:48 PM
I will, thanks.

I don't even want to read twitter right now. I'm certain that it's filled with batshit crazy bernie bots that don't know jack crap about what has been happening here, talking about how bernie is being cheated. Yeah dumbfucks the Democratic establishment is helping some gay 30 something from rough ridin' south bend, that minorities apparently can't trust. It's so rough ridin' dumb, makes me want to hang myself.

I told you guys during the summer that he was going to do well. In the fall I said he would win. They busted their ass here, they earned it. I don't think they can keep up the momentum, but I might be wrong. If he has to keep doing what he did here, they'll run out of gas.
Lol. I mean, Pete is the best. He's capable of bringing in moderates who were traditionally more conservative, such as myself. Why won't you accept us?! :cry:

When push comes to shove, you'll be pulling the lever for Trump whoever the Dems nominate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:22:54 PM
When push comes to shove, you'll be pulling the lever for Trump.
I have never and never will, $!#*.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 04, 2020, 04:23:46 PM
When push comes to shove, you'll be pulling the lever for Trump.
I have never and never will, $!#*.
Yes you will, the mean libs will make you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:24:18 PM
When push comes to shove, you'll be pulling the lever for Trump.
I have never and never will, $!#*.
Yes you will, the mean libs will make you.
Man, you don't know the first thing about me...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
Although I do like cryin' libs...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 04, 2020, 04:25:53 PM
When push comes to shove, you'll be pulling the lever for Trump.
I have never and never will, $!#*.
Yes you will, the mean libs will make you.
Man, you don't know the first thing about me...
I know enough.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
Although I do like cryin' libs...

I think ChinStalker is one of those "I held my nose" bullshit excuse guys, so don't pay any attention.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
I might even vote for Bloomy, just to own the libs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 04, 2020, 04:30:04 PM
These Bernie fans are really honing in on goal 11.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 04, 2020, 04:32:43 PM
I will, thanks.

I don't even want to read twitter right now. I'm certain that it's filled with batshit crazy bernie bots that don't know jack crap about what has been happening here, talking about how bernie is being cheated. Yeah dumbfucks the Democratic establishment is helping some gay 30 something from rough ridin' south bend, that minorities apparently can't trust. It's so rough ridin' dumb, makes me want to hang myself.

I told you guys during the summer that he was going to do well. In the fall I said he would win. They busted their ass here, they earned it. I don't think they can keep up the momentum, but I might be wrong. If he has to keep doing what he did here, they'll run out of gas.

I haven’t forgotten this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
i listened to most of the same podcasts katkid did and sort of agree that there just isn't any good system that could practically be imposed in the united states.  i do think there are three improvements that are feasi ble.

1.  cut down the length of the campaigning.  there is a first mover advantage so campaigns are forced to begin early, but it just bores the electorate, costs an enormous amount of money and increases donor influence over voter influence.  have a start date in like sept or so.  candidates will still signal and build organizations before that, but it will at least dampen the length of the race.

2.  rotate early states.  include a variety (demography, geographic region, economic concentration) of lower population states and rotate which of them gets to go in the first 3-5.  allows the retail politics that some feel is important, but reduces the influence of individual states.

3.  all primaries, no caucuses.  this one seems sort of obvious, but david schor had an interesting point yesterday that caucuses in some way act as a safeguard against populism/fascism (for example caucuses tended not to favor trump in 2016).  if you're on the left, caucuses also favor the left in dem races.  nonetheless, i think the argument for including more of the electorate in the selectorate (word i just learned from the 538 podcast) argues for this reform.


the process would still suck, though.  my fundamental takeaway from the podcasts is that there's no good way of doing this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2020, 04:51:05 PM
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.

So no primaries? Just one quick and dirty?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 05:04:42 PM
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying, but I do like the idea of a combined party primary system. It’s a moderate’s dream come true.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 05:11:18 PM
if warren is having money troubles (as biden almost certainly is), that's pretty important.  i think it can also probably be inferred that if warren isn't seeing much new cash with a rumored 3rd place finish, klobuchar's somewhat surprising 5th place finish isn't getting her much new money either.

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1224829400249786370
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 04, 2020, 05:19:50 PM
if warren is having money troubles (as biden almost certainly is), that's pretty important.  i think it can also probably be inferred that if warren isn't seeing much new cash with a rumored 3rd place finish, klobuchar's somewhat surprising 5th place finish isn't getting her much new money either.

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1224829400249786370

She's not having money trouble. She had $14 million on hand earlier this month. On Sunday they announced they are the first campaign to reach one million donors with over  10% of those set up for recurring donations.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 04, 2020, 05:29:23 PM
she probably spent all of that 14 million in january.  she was spending like 11-12 million a month in oct-december before she was even advertising much.

she also probably took in something like 6-12 million in january.  but regardless, she needs to be taking in more money after iowa than she was pre-iowa or she'll be financially constrained.  that's true for everyone, of course.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2020, 05:36:31 PM
I think she spent it on blow.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224561674679488513?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 04, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
https://twitter.com/tylerdinucci/status/1224793942190780416
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
https://twitter.com/behind2020/status/1224866656092073984


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
What a tease. USE THE CLAW PETE!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2020, 09:34:30 PM
My favorite part is him completely brushing the other dude aside who tried to interfere with Pete explaining his passion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 05, 2020, 07:11:50 AM
That bad person, what gives him the right to butt in on Pete's fun.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2020, 11:28:28 AM
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.

So no primaries? Just one quick and dirty?


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Have primaries, but allow everyone to vote in them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 05, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html (https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html)

This rules
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2020, 11:38:12 AM
It's pretty awesome (well, actually sad) that a lifetime Washington D.C. leech may get the Dem nomination.

#bloomberg2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2020, 11:58:32 AM
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html (https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html)

This rules


didn't dems sorta do this with Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 05, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_for_the_Worst
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 05, 2020, 03:47:44 PM
Hell yeah  :cool:

https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1225167351617712128
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225168116994445312
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2020, 04:03:14 PM
Really hate to see guys like Nadler so enraged and wanting to try for impeachment 2.0.

Hopefully my guy Mike Bloomberg is working the phones and the contacts to get guys like Lil Jerry "enraged about everything" Nadler to back off, to throw their support behind the Bloomberg campaign, drop the nonsense and go in for the big win come November.

Bloomberg completely mitigates the fear of whack-a-doo Warren and Sanders, the mega corrupt Biden(s) and not ready for prime time Pete.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 05, 2020, 04:20:31 PM
Dax’s pretending to like Bloomberg shtick is less convincing that KSUW’s pretending to like Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
Dax’s pretending to like Bloomberg shtick is less convincing that KSUW’s pretending to like Trump.

If Bloomberg is the nominee he's getting my vote, my next choice would be Pete.

So in essence, the Democratic party has two opportunities to win my vote, they'll blow it.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2020, 04:34:56 PM
Take note Mike (and Pete) just don't sound so "gotta keep'em in line" when you say it.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/04/van_jones_weve_got_to_wake_up_trump_sent_a_warning_shot_hes_going_after_black_votes.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 05, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
#Bloomberg2020 is ready to take on Trump. We've got the organization, the heart, the tech, and the momentum to win. Join us today: http://lil.ms/3lp2/6be90o

Just got that text from Mike. 

#firedup #nonwhackjob
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 05, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
Virus
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 05, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1225229096810090501

the only other person as horned up for Bloomberg as dax is Jonathan Chait
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 06, 2020, 01:23:44 AM
https://decisiondeskhq.com/iowa-democratic-caucus-results/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

If you want to check for updates from Iowa.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2020, 06:32:07 AM
https://twitter.com/tylerpager/status/1225272553255645184
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2020, 07:19:34 AM
Damnit Pete!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 08:01:18 AM
lmao, I love that this is happening to Iowans and the number one thing Iowans are proud of.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 08:01:30 AM
Not you MIR obv


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 06, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
Not you MIR obv


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Saw this headline somewhere....

Purdue blows out No. 16 Iowa 104-68 in surely the most embarrassing thing to happen in the state this week
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-raised-25-million-in-january-a-hefty-sum/2020/02/06/647e4a7e-4898-11ea-9164-d3154ad8a5cd_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-raised-25-million-in-january-a-hefty-sum/2020/02/06/647e4a7e-4898-11ea-9164-d3154ad8a5cd_story.html)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
We’re now essentially the UK+. We’ve got an even more awful human being Boris and an even more (relatively) socialist Corbyn as our two options.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2020, 08:42:58 AM
We’re now essentially the UK+. We’ve got an even more awful human being Boris and an even more (relatively) socialist Corbyn as our two options.


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Interesting to think about, but I do think you are right. The UK already has the NHS, Corbyn was just saying stuff like nationalize the railroads again.

As far as the Boris/Trump comparison, Boris is obviously way smarter than Trump and actually has some policy goals and intends to achieve them so I don't think that side really holds much.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
Yeah Trump is like Boris but with the brain of a 7 year old.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
Yes, he’s a much stupider and a worse person but you see where the comparo has some merit for the polarization of our political system.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2020, 09:47:29 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944

Not sure what to think about her stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
Didn’t read past the title yet but I’m a swing voter. And given Nebraska’s elite split electorate my swing vote matters.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2020, 10:03:04 AM
Didn’t read past the title yet but I’m a swing voter. And given Nebraska’s elite split electorate my swing vote matters.


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Proud swing voter myself . . . big swing coming if it's #Bloomberg2020 (maybe even Pete)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 06, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Yeah Trump is like Boris but with the brain of a 7 year old.

I used to think Trump and Boris were somewhat comparable but then saw Boris laughing at Trump with Trudeau.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 06, 2020, 10:14:38 AM
We’re now essentially the UK+. We’ve got an even more awful human being Boris and an even more (relatively) socialist Corbyn as our two options.



America is ku football vacillating between 2 ends of the spectrum of types of shitty coaches.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
Didn’t read past the title yet but I’m a swing voter. And given Nebraska’s elite split electorate my swing vote matters.


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Proud swing voter myself . . . big swing coming if it's #Bloomberg2020 (maybe even Pete)

nice, you could do your part to swing Alabama for the first time in my entire lifetime.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
OMG HOLY crap

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1225472413690974213
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
I like Tom Perez  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 06, 2020, 12:30:00 PM
When Tom says new problems, what he means to say is Sanders winning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Please never get rid of the Iowa caucuses.

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1225489437494251520
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
Didn’t read past the title yet but I’m a swing voter. And given Nebraska’s elite split electorate my swing vote matters.


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Proud swing voter myself . . . big swing coming if it's #Bloomberg2020 (maybe even Pete)

nice, you could do your part to swing Alabama for the first time in my entire lifetime.

Sorry Bro. that’s not gonna happen.   Doug is gonna have hard time keeping his seat.   If Doug gets Space Command Hdqrs at Redstone in Huntsville, he should be a lock.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2020, 03:13:55 PM
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html (https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html)

This rules

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: do they realize what they're doing? Wouldn't it make more sense to do this to/for Warren? Bernie will beat the dog crap out of trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 06, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
Didn’t read past the title yet but I’m a swing voter. And given Nebraska’s elite split electorate my swing vote matters.


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Proud swing voter myself . . . big swing coming if it's #Bloomberg2020 (maybe even Pete)

nice, you could do your part to swing Alabama for the first time in my entire lifetime.

Sorry Bro. that’s not gonna happen.   Doug is gonna have hard time keeping his seat.   If Doug gets Space Command Hdqrs at Redstone in Huntsville, he should be a lock.

Oh I’m fully aware that there is a zero percent chance it happens


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 06, 2020, 05:22:51 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944

Not sure what to think about her stuff.

i've followed her for a while and i pay attention to what she says.  i would say she's not terribly intellectually honest or rigorous and i think the guy in the article that says her point (negative partisanship) is widely known and accepted is right.  that said, she argues for the application more fiercely and more eloquently that pretty much anyone else and it is an extremely important point.

i wouldn't go to her for an accurate or precise attempt to quantify the odds of any individual race, but i think like 99.9% of the population could improve their understanding of how voters behave by listening to her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2020, 06:11:21 PM
Solid opportunity here. 


https://www.mikebloomberg.com/2020/social-profile-generator
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2020, 07:01:31 PM
I might have to rethink things...

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 06, 2020, 07:13:57 PM
I might have to rethink things...

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Also, more Wilpon for you!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 06, 2020, 07:38:29 PM
That's mean.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2020, 11:27:23 PM
https://news.grabien.com/story-warren-blames-americas-legacy-racism-and-oppression-her-camp
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 07, 2020, 12:04:34 AM
thread with examples.

https://twitter.com/RadishHarmers/status/1224846361939628033
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 07, 2020, 01:14:51 AM
But I like the fact that he's an empty suit...
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2020, 06:28:25 AM
thread with examples.

https://twitter.com/RadishHarmers/status/1224846361939628033

That is exactly the crap you put on the white boards to put your sticky notes under. Board 1 “Synergistic” board 2 “Anergiatic”. Put examples of how you work today under each. Wow, I like your examples Helen. Let’s take a 15 minute energy pause and regroup ready to talk about each one.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2020, 06:41:03 AM
Also it is important to make sure your mindset is “above the line”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2020, 06:56:07 AM
i wouldn't go to her for an accurate or precise attempt to quantify the odds of any individual race

I didn't read, but wouldn't her position be that each race is pretty much 100% determined? If so, you wouldn't expect her to give odds. And I'd agree with her on that viewpoint.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 07, 2020, 07:42:37 AM
Not that the race is determined, but people’s minds are basically made up on who they support (except gE’s own swing voter Dax).

So her theory suggests politicians should be spending 100% of their efforts on getting their supporters to turn out rather than trying to win over new voters. You can certainly still place odds on how successful those efforts will be.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
https://m.greenwichtime.com/news/article/The-case-for-Michael-Bloomberg-winning-15037699.php

Mike Bloomberg:  The non whack-a-doo full suit the Democratic Party needs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on February 07, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
thread with examples.

https://twitter.com/RadishHarmers/status/1224846361939628033

That is exactly the crap you put on the white boards to put your sticky notes under. Board 1 “Synergistic” board 2 “Anergiatic”. Put examples of how you work today under each. Wow, I like your examples Helen. Let’s take a 15 minute energy pause and regroup ready to talk about each one.


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Pete was on Bill Maher's show last Friday and I noticed he dropped several of those while they were talking.  There was something mildly annoying about his communication style that I couldn't quite place my finger on but this tweet made the light bulb go off in my head.  What a bunch of trite garbage.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Losing?? (should be cross posted)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/7/21123518/trump-2020-election-democratic-party-james-carville

All very solvable by #bloomberg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
Congrats to Mayo Pete! The average smelling moderate middle of the road guy we can all rally behind in the middle.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2020, 01:33:05 PM
Honestly, I love hating on Pete for all his phony stuff.

https://twitter.com/CPDAction/status/1225630654404186112
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2020, 01:50:54 PM
Yes, he’s very easy to clown on.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2020, 01:53:52 PM
How positively . . . Trumpian
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 07, 2020, 06:22:06 PM
Bernie Sanders heading to tonight’s debate.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Q-Te6Z1Owkc[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 07, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
Why are they having Friday night debates?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 07, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
Why are they having Friday night debates?

I don’t think debates get very good ratings. Friday nights are great for dropping low viewership niche programming.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 07, 2020, 07:53:52 PM
I didn't read, but wouldn't her position be that each race is pretty much 100% determined? If so, you wouldn't expect her to give odds. And I'd agree with her on that viewpoint.

i know she gives specific odds on a lot of virginia races, i don't think she does on many national ones, at least she didn't in 2018.  maybe she will for 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2020, 09:10:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RadishHarmers/status/1224846361939628033

eff yeah

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1225962149257895936
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
Klob: a rookie on the stage right now, but after this election is over will shoot a thousand jump shots every night after practice and will be back to dunk on your rough ridin' faces next time. Just you wait, motherfuckers.

Okay. She's ready now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 07, 2020, 09:49:22 PM
Oh man, the black pandering about 2 hours in was really bad. Liz and Bernie about the only ones not embarrassing themselves. Liz with a really good response about .02 wealth tax and it’s implications on working class who are disproportionately black/brown.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2020, 09:54:29 PM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/1225982332189990912


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 07, 2020, 09:58:01 PM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/1225982332189990912


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 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2020, 10:25:04 PM
Oh Liz  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 08:14:07 AM
https://twitter.com/kimstrassel/status/1225972995232952320?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 08, 2020, 08:16:28 AM
lmao. incredible self own
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 08:55:33 AM
Oh Steve.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
The attacks on Bloomberg were pretty sad. Jealousy, SMDH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 08, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
omg :lol:


https://twitter.com/postxamerica/status/1225646263548305408
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2020, 06:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/kimstrassel/status/1225972995232952320?s=21

Consciously rough ridin' over people of color for 243 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 09, 2020, 07:03:50 AM
I thought it was going to be Warren but it's Bernie isn't it, he's going to be your nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2020, 07:47:13 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/maplecocaine/status/1226344150255251457
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 01:58:47 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/this-guy-has-some-guts-democratic-establishment-eyes-bloomberg-as-biden-falters
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 09, 2020, 04:33:24 PM
https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/1226564369917644800
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1226577762510688265
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 09, 2020, 04:39:37 PM
I'm fascinated by which side she'd pull more votes from. She can appeal to both Democrats and also intermediate/questioning MAGAs.

https://twitter.com/michaelshure/status/1226588513275084805
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2020, 04:59:11 PM
She’s pull from that weird subset of voters whose number 1 and number 2 choices are Bernie and Trump (in no order). So if Bernie wins I’m guessing it’s a wash. Though I can see Q people somehow getting fully onboard with her and it helping the Ds.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/1226564369917644800
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1226577762510688265

:love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2020, 05:31:08 PM
What in the world lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 09, 2020, 05:33:14 PM
I can't wait to call someone a lying dog-faced pony soldier
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2020, 07:07:51 PM
Bloomy team makes good ads


https://twitter.com/mikebloomberg/status/1226580658807504897


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 09, 2020, 10:13:53 PM
Bloomy team makes good ads


https://twitter.com/mikebloomberg/status/1226580658807504897


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Quote
Our country has a rich history of presidents who respected the power, decorum, and influence of their office.

I mean, come on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 10, 2020, 05:12:59 PM
 :lol:

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1226987320022327296
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 10, 2020, 06:33:02 PM
I had no idea, but thank you for your service Mayor Pete.   


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 06:00:20 AM
These people are going to sit at home and not vote so rough ridin' hard if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.

https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/1227045307759751168
https://twitter.com/adamkelsey/status/1227060761542836224
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 06:33:33 AM
I can’t find where I saw it but Biden said some stuff about if Bernie is the nom he’d throw all of his weight behind him. Kind of early to be saying stuff like that.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 07:35:48 AM
Lmaoooooo


https://twitter.com/djjudd/status/1227217429195100167


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 08:19:53 AM
 :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
Looks like I may have to start leaning towards Pete.

Didn't realize Mike was so hardcore.   

Biden:  Mega corrupt super racist war monger

Bloomberg:  Sounds pretty racist, can't really say on the corrupt or war monger part.   Under review

Sanders:  D.C. leech who has done nothing but hang out in Washington for 40 years while married to a corrupt wife

Warren:  Pfftt





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 11:12:19 AM
Is it the stop and frisk policy that led you to the Bloomy racist position Dax?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 11:42:53 AM
Is it the stop and frisk policy that led you to the Bloomy racist position Dax?


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That and the uncovered audio.   Pretty bad.   

Kind of stunned we'd hear that kind of thing out of a New Yorker, according to some (okay, most) that kind of talk only happens in places like Missouri, Kansas and Nebraska, mainly Missouri (Missouri, the Missouri of Missouri)







Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 11, 2020, 11:43:45 AM
What did Bloomberg say?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
Yeah, he and the president have a lot more in common than they like to pretend.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
What did Bloomberg say?

Would also like to know this


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 11, 2020, 11:52:09 AM
Highly doubtful Dax gives up his Qanon news aggregation source
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
Highly doubtful Dax gives up his Qanon news aggregation source

Do you have a link to that, would like to check it out.

You guys sure know a lot about that stuff.

Weird
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 11:59:48 AM
People who live on Twitter claiming they haven't seen anything about the released audio.    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 11, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
I have a job so I can’t live on twitter. Someday, once I’m retired too I can live on twitter and read sketch websites all day long too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
I have a job so I can’t live on twitter. Someday, once I’m retired too I can live on twitter and read sketch websites all day long too.

It really doesn't take a lot of time to read Twitter, but you're slow, so I understand.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 12:22:54 PM
People who live on Twitter claiming they haven't seen anything about the released audio.    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I’m on Twitter 24/7/365 open on Sunday’s but I’ve legitimately only seen the stop and frisk stuff. Are you talking about the audio re. that? Because we are on the same page about that being shitty if so.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 12:33:59 PM
I saw something about the Bloomberg audio early this morning. I think one part was like, "we put more police in black neighborhoods because that's where the crime is."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 12:48:15 PM
Yeah, that’s the one I saw. Trump also tweeted he was a racist and then deleted his tweet when he realized he’s actively supported the shitty policy. Here it is:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-slams-bloombergs-past-defense-of-ny-stop-and-frisk-practice.html


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 11, 2020, 12:50:04 PM
Lol, yeah. It's a real catch 22 for both.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 11, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
It's really not for Trump, though. His supporters are going to think stop and frisk is great, anyway, and they also are blind to hypocrisy. So he can freely criticize Bloomberg without hurting himself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
It's really not for Trump, though. His supporters are going to think stop and frisk is great, anyway, and they also are blind to hypocrisy. So he can freely criticize Bloomberg without hurting himself.

Someone obviously pointed out how foolish it made him appear because he deleted it. I mean, he still has anti-vax tweets up. it takes an unbelievably huge self own to make him actually delete a tweet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
So much for the "enlightened" Northeast, huh.

SMDH

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
#BloombergIsRacist now trending.

If only #wewillbringthemtoheal trended, you guys might have nominated someone who would have won last time (not Bernie).   

Selective calling out, how positively LibDork Nation.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 11, 2020, 01:55:44 PM
#BloombergIsRacist now trending.

If only #wewillbringthemtoheal trended, you guys might have nominated someone who would have won last time (not Bernie).   

Selective calling out, how positively LibDork Nation.

Isn't that your guy, Dax?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 01:55:55 PM
dax, are you of the opinion that mike bloomberg or hillary clinton are more racist than donald trump?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 01:57:57 PM
dax, are you of the opinion that mike bloomberg or hillary clinton are more racist than donald trump?

Insofar as Hillary goes, absolutely.   Having once handled several large government clients in Arkansas of which certain individuals knew the Clinton's quite well, she was (and is) a terrible person.   

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
interesting
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
Bloomie responds.  It is true he inherited stop and frisk, but I have no idea as to the validity of the 95% reduction claim. 

https://www.mikebloomberg.com/news/statement-from-mike-bloomberg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 11, 2020, 02:29:14 PM
wow Trump had a real love for and belief in stop and frisk
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Dax, what do you think about stop and frisk?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 11, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Dax, what do you think about stop and frisk?

texincel currently grappling how to respond to it being racist if Bloom did it but how its not racist for trump to be a LOOOOONG time huge advocate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
interesting

Well, obviously all other racist presidents pale in comparison to numero uno racist Barack Hussein Obama, the most divisive and racist president ever who set race relations back 50 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 05:24:34 PM
5th request for links to these "incel" websites that the resident super mega weirdo LlbDorks are apparently hanging out on all the time.






Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 11, 2020, 05:25:37 PM
Dax, what do you think about stop and frisk?

Never really thought about it LibDork.9.

What do you think about something, in this case S&F, that has never impacted you in your entire life?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 06:25:10 PM
Incred


https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1227385151929319425


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 06:30:58 PM
Dax, what do you think about stop and frisk?

Never really thought about it LibDork.9.

What do you think about something, in this case S&F, that has never impacted you in your entire life?



Well this is a new way to not answer a question
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
To answer your question though dax, seems pretty gross and illegal. I also disagree that just because I'm not the one being targeted that civil rights violations don't impact me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
The Democrats are going to eff this up. The only question is how. Nominating someone a bunch of people won't vote for because SOCIALISM seems like the most likely scenario.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/1227340931755540486
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 11, 2020, 06:40:38 PM
The Democrats are going to eff this up. The only question is how. Nominating someone a bunch of people won't vote for because SOCIALISM seems like the most likely scenario.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/1227340931755540486
A reasonable position
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 06:42:05 PM
Good thing there aren't any socialists running
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Good thing there aren't any socialists running

I'm sure the people determined not to vote for one will carefully consider that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2020, 06:54:33 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 11, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Well crap. Knew it was coming eventually.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/andrew-yang-drops-out-of-presidential-race/2020/02/11/4fe2c97c-4c2c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 11, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
Probably won’t vote now? Idk. Maybe back to Pete? Or Klobs?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
Respect this reasoning


https://twitter.com/yamiche/status/1227396910211895298


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 07:30:10 PM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1227393878879350784
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2020, 07:37:10 PM
Liz and Joe are done aren't they?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 07:40:06 PM
lmao, who?


https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1227404987086622721


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 11, 2020, 08:19:16 PM
Has SD suspended his campaign yet  :runaway:

I’m still in. I owe it to my supporters to see this thing through.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2020, 08:41:32 PM
Klob: a rookie on the stage right now, but after this election is over will shoot a thousand jump shots every night after practice and will be back to dunk on your rough ridin' faces next time. Just you wait, motherfuckers.

Okay. She's ready now.

3rd place in NH.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 11, 2020, 08:57:27 PM
Her first act as president should be to remove all salad forks from the country and mandate the use of combs.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 11, 2020, 11:26:46 PM
Probably won’t vote now? Idk. Maybe back to Pete? Or Klobs?
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1227432875034923012?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2020, 11:34:37 PM
The Democrats are going to eff this up. The only question is how. Nominating someone a bunch of people won't vote for because SOCIALISM seems like the most likely scenario.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/1227340931755540486

They are lying motherfuckers, Muslim lol. Most liberals hate Muslims.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2020, 11:41:26 PM
Buttigieg’s supporters think this critique conflates political pragmatism with insufficient progressivism. “The other folks running have pretty liberal positions, but they don’t provide the best chance of actually getting these things done,” Adler told me. “Pete has proposed some pretty dramatic stuff with respect to our political institutions, like reforming the Supreme Court and eliminating the filibuster. That’s how you make change happen.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/11/21129665/pete-buttigieg-2020-democratic-primary-millennials

LOL, man people are so rough ridin' dumb. Eliminate student loan debt, impossible, how would we ever do that? Eliminate a Senate rule that has only been strengthened in it's 214 years of it's existence, no rough ridin' problem, bro!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2020, 11:50:08 PM
Liz should quit right now, before SC. She'll probably stick around until after Nevada though which sucks. If she dropped now Bernie would win SC pretty easy. We have to hear Biden talk about black people like we're pets, his loyal, trained dogs, for one more week. He's still going to lose SC because not a single damn white person down there is going to vote for him, he'd have to get every single black vote, and that ain't happening.

I gave Liz money, but I'm not sad she's gone, as I've always said, her and Bernie are functionally the same candidate. Her losing early is much better for the party, we know her supporters will still vote, a lot of the Bernie bots would cry about a fix and just stay home drinking Faygo and playing Call of Duty instead of voting. So win win for progressives.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 03:43:06 AM
will be interesting to see some national and nevada/sc polling now.  my guess is biden will be surprisingly resilient and buttigieg/klobsie still relatively minor players.  but i'm not hugely confident in either prediction.

there's also the wrinkle that everyone talks about reid having some weird tammany hall-like throwback machine in las vegas and god alone knows if that was ever true, if it still is if it ever was and if he'd use it for anyone this year if so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 05:57:31 AM
Bernie has this thing in the bag


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 12, 2020, 06:07:00 AM
Probably won’t vote now? Idk. Maybe back to Pete? Or Klobs?
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1227432875034923012?s=19
Plz send links in this time of need
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 06:16:46 AM
Bernie has this thing in the bag

Bernie was expected to do well in the first two states. And not so well in the next two. In NH at least, he did not perform nearly as well against the field as he did in 2016. It could get interesting!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 07:17:46 AM
Bernie has this thing in the bag

Bernie was expected to do well in the first two states. And not so well in the next two. In NH at least, he did not perform nearly as well against the field as he did in 2016. It could get interesting!

The field was one other person. And it was a really shitty person.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 07:53:06 AM
Bernie has this thing in the bag

Bernie was expected to do well in the first two states. And not so well in the next two. In NH at least, he did not perform nearly as well against the field as he did in 2016. It could get interesting!

The field was one other person. And it was a really shitty person.

He was in a close race in his home territory!

NH votes for Bernie 2016: 151,584
87% of NH votes for Bernie 2020 so far: 72,021
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 08:07:28 AM
Hope you are right. I need some mild middle of the road flavors on this general ballot.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2020, 08:08:40 AM
You would love tiny little baby klo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
You would love tiny little baby klo

Yeah, I’d vote for her mean ass as well


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 12, 2020, 08:37:45 AM
Liz should quit right now, before SC. She'll probably stick around until after Nevada though which sucks. If she dropped now Bernie would win SC pretty easy. We have to hear Biden talk about black people like we're pets, his loyal, trained dogs, for one more week. He's still going to lose SC because not a single damn white person down there is going to vote for him, he'd have to get every single black vote, and that ain't happening.

I gave Liz money, but I'm not sad she's gone, as I've always said, her and Bernie are functionally the same candidate. Her losing early is much better for the party, we know her supporters will still vote, a lot of the Bernie bots would cry about a fix and just stay home drinking Faygo and playing Call of Duty instead of voting. So win win for progressives.

The Faygo ...  :lol:.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
Sanders and Pete are the definite winners from Iowa and NH, with Klo not far behind. The delegates aren’t that big of a deal at this point, but people elsewhere are going to start considering Klo and Pete a lot more electable, which will help in tougher races. Klo hasn’t been picked on by anyone yet, though. So we’ll see what comes out if/when she’s considered a more serious threat.

As MIR said, the past week has been huge for Bernie not so much because he’s been winning, but because Warren has been doing so poorly.

Biden (unsurprisingly) sounds out of his mind. I feel like a lot of his early support was predicated on him cruising to victory and now that he seems rattled there’s got to be some compounding effect there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 08:55:06 AM
I think Biden is close to throwing in the towel. My perception (could be way off) is he has done a lot of talking about getting behind whichever dem candidate wins and not talking up his “electability” as much.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2020, 08:55:41 AM
I think Klo was the big winner. I think Pete did worse than he needed to to have a legitimate shot at being the nominee. Sanders did a little worse than expected, but is still the likely nominee, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 09:01:48 AM
Klo’s surge is definitely bad for Pete, but also not great for Sanders. It’s mostly anecdotal, but sounds like a fair chunk of Klo’s votes in NH came from former Warren supporters, who you otherwise would’ve expected to go to Bernie as their second choice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2020, 09:04:58 AM
Klo’s surge is definitely bad for Pete, but also not great for Sanders. It’s mostly anecdotal, but sounds like a fair chunk of Klo’s votes in NH came from former Warren supporters, who you otherwise would’ve expected to go to Bernie as their second choice.

Yeah. If Biden drops out sooner than expected, it will be very interesting to see where his votes go.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 09:11:39 AM
I heard on TV that Klob had a staff of only like 20 people in Nevada as of last night. But Bernie and Pete are much weaker in NV and SC than IA and NH and things can happen quickly!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 09:21:56 AM
 :surprised:

https://twitter.com/brfreed/status/1227606320775335942
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
I'd imagine her policy on regulating technology in the workplace is probably the crappiest part of her entire platform, so it's interesting to me that it helps her in Nevada.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 09:38:58 AM
Will it really matter after Pete busts out a chef’s hat and shares his grandmother’s favorite recipe?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 12, 2020, 10:07:02 AM
Klo’s surge is definitely bad for Pete, but also not great for Sanders. It’s mostly anecdotal, but sounds like a fair chunk of Klo’s votes in NH came from former Warren supporters, who you otherwise would’ve expected to go to Bernie as their second choice.

Yeah. If Biden drops out sooner than expected, it will be very interesting to see where his votes go.

Pete, Klo, Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
Biden is very clearly in mental decline. Just like Trump. It's incredible that Bernie is like 110 years old and seemingly all there and coherent. If only he was a sexy AF moderate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 12, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
Will it really matter after Pete busts out a chef’s hat and shares his grandmother’s favorite recipe?

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2020, 11:30:51 AM
Biden is very clearly in mental decline. Just like Trump. It's incredible that Bernie is like 110 years old and seemingly all there and coherent. If only he was a sexy AF moderate.

Derivative of an unstressful life of being a 40 year D.C. do nothing who decided to run for president.

 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 11:58:10 AM
Let’s hope!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 12:01:12 PM
I'm really excited for Bernie. Great for the country.

I also really dislike Pete. He's such a do-nothing goober.

Sad for Liz, Amy seems OK I guess.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 12:26:29 PM
Pete is for sure an unlikeable slime who’s incredibly fun to dunk on but I’m cheering for him anyway. If I was a D he’d get my vote.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on February 12, 2020, 01:05:56 PM
The real question is who will pick up the lion's share of Deval Patrick supporters.  That will be quite the game changer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
Pete is for sure an unlikeable slime who’s incredibly fun to dunk on but I’m cheering for him anyway. If I was a D he’d get my vote.


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Pete's the only one I would consider going third party for
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 12, 2020, 01:15:13 PM
it seems like 100% of twitter hates him. does he have a twitter fanbase?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 01:18:51 PM
just for a reality check, i recommend looking in on 538's model.  i don't maintain their percentages are extremely precise, but it's good for putting into place the magnitude of how events have impacted the outcome of the race.

for example, before iowa, klobuchar had a less than 1% chance of getting the nomination, and she still does.  buttigieg had about a 5% chance of getting the nomination, and he still does.  sanders had like a 30%ish chance and it's gone up to 39%.  biden was at like 40% and that's now cut in half.  and the chance that no one wins the nomination outright has leaped from like 15% or so to 33%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 01:30:05 PM
Pete is basically like Hillary but with policy positions I mostly agree with and way less baggage.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
I await further clarifications from Bloomie.

I mean, Bernie Sanders, you people are just insane.   :lol:  :lol: :lol:

Can't wait for the next 80 year old Senator who has been hanging out for 40 years in DC doing nothing to run.   

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
it seems like 100% of twitter hates him. does he have a twitter fanbase?
Yeah like a lot of centrist Dems but they're pretty passive aggressive about it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227675860972470277
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Pete is basically like Hillary but with policy positions I mostly agree with and way less baggage.
What are your three favorite policy positions of Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 12, 2020, 02:13:46 PM
it seems like 100% of twitter hates him. does he have a twitter fanbase?
This confirms my support for Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
The Medicare option
Free college that phases out based on income
Undoing Citizens United
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 12, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
The Medicare option
Free college that phases out based on income
Undoing Citizens United

You forgot campaign dances.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 02:19:19 PM
I’m against that kind of scandalous behavior.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
The Medicare option
Free college that phases out based on income
Undoing Citizens United

If Hillary were running in today's race she would essentially have those same positions since Bernie and Liz have pushed the entire conversation to the left (and she also had undoing citizen's united as a policy position in 2016)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 03:09:08 PM
Well if Hillary won the nomination this year I’d vote for her, FWIW.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
 :Wha:

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86228617_508011213238973_3363326457852985344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Sx94qW_5ChsAX-jK20R&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=fefad7ff526c46f50a41dcfdded65248&oe=5EFDCBD7)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 03:18:37 PM
:Wha:

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86228617_508011213238973_3363326457852985344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Sx94qW_5ChsAX-jK20R&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=fefad7ff526c46f50a41dcfdded65248&oe=5EFDCBD7)

lol wow
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 12, 2020, 03:28:03 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227675860972470277

He would have won the primary in '16, if it wasn't for the DNC in cahoots with Hillary rough ridin' Bernie over.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 12, 2020, 03:32:00 PM
:Wha:

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86228617_508011213238973_3363326457852985344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Sx94qW_5ChsAX-jK20R&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=fefad7ff526c46f50a41dcfdded65248&oe=5EFDCBD7)

What a ugly [redacted] he's morphed into.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Makes me realize that Jimmy Fallon looks like a mix between Reagan and Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 12, 2020, 03:50:55 PM
Do that with Pete and Hardhat Currie. Or Cowboy Currie. Or Seersucker Currie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
sanders had like a 30%ish chance and it's gone up to 39%.  biden was at like 40% and that's now cut in half.

I'm sure we all agree that Bernie is in the driver's seat. But does anyone really think Biden is the #2 candidate at this point? His campaign seems DEAD.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 05:17:42 PM
I'm sure we all agree that Bernie is in the driver's seat. But does anyone really think Biden is the #2 candidate at this point? His campaign seems DEAD.

no one winning is actually the number 2 candidate currently, biden is third.  furthermore, silver has said that his model probably underestimates the possibility of no one winning and doesn't know how to deal with bloomberg.

the field is incredibly weak and all the candidates are massively and very obviously flawed.  but someone has to win (or become the nominee without getting a majority of pledged delegates).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
He would have won the primary in '16, if it wasn't for the DNC in cahoots with Hillary rough ridin' Bernie over.

clinton kicked his ass fair and square, and it was never even particularly close.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 05:33:32 PM
I'm sure we all agree that Bernie is in the driver's seat. But does anyone really think Biden is the #2 candidate at this point? His campaign seems DEAD.

no one winning is actually the number 2 candidate currently, biden is third.  furthermore, silver has said that his model probably underestimates the possibility of no one winning and doesn't know how to deal with bloomberg.

the field is incredibly weak and all the candidates are massively and very obviously flawed.  but someone has to win (or become the nominee without getting a majority of pledged delegates).

Biden is way ahead of the other candidates according to the model. Obviously, we don't know yet, but that doesn't seem to be the way things are headed at all. The more people see of him, the more they think he sucks.

It's been something like 30 years since someone didn't win outright and 538 UNDERESTIMATES this possibility???

I think the candidates are just fine despite not conforming to the incredibly weak and flawed models.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2020, 05:33:58 PM
The fact that known total WhackJob SysBot calls the 2016 Dem nomination "fair and square" only reminds us all about what a total and absolute Whack-A-Doo SysBot is . . . disgraceful and sad.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 05:35:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQl5R_8XUAE0xZV?format=jpg&name=small)

doesn't exactly lend support to the sanders theory that he will expand the electorate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2020, 05:39:47 PM
Man, Hillary voters are all over the place.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 05:40:16 PM
It's been something like 30 years since someone didn't win outright and 538 UNDERESTIMATES this possibility???

yeah, basically the model assumes that candidates will drop out when they no longer have a realistic path to getting a majority of pledged delegates because that's what they historically have done; but if 2020 candidates come to believe it is likely that no one will get a majority they may be more likely to stay in the race longer, trying to amass a plurality of delegates or even just a nice chunk to bargain with.  assuming donors will keep their campaigns solvent, of course.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2020, 06:32:49 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/aoc-bernie-sanders-campaign-iowa

Cross post?

Sounds like Team AOC was all ready to go Cancel Culture over Joe Rogan.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 07:13:50 PM
https://twitter.com/amandawgolden/status/1227348587241254912
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Little Tiny Baby Klo is getting a whole lot of run for being someone who is a distant fourth in delegates from two hugely white moderate states, including a border state for her.

She hasn't actually done crap. Her performance in NH was what she should have done in Iowa. Flop the two and no one is acting like she's going to do crap going fourth. I'll bet every dollar I have that by the time she quits she'll never break the top 3 in delegates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2020, 07:24:09 PM
Buttigieg’s supporters think this critique conflates political pragmatism with insufficient progressivism. “The other folks running have pretty liberal positions, but they don’t provide the best chance of actually getting these things done,” Adler told me. “Pete has proposed some pretty dramatic stuff with respect to our political institutions, like reforming the Supreme Court and eliminating the filibuster. That’s how you make change happen.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/11/21129665/pete-buttigieg-2020-democratic-primary-millennials

LOL, man people are so rough ridin' dumb. Eliminate student loan debt, impossible, how would we ever do that? Eliminate a Senate rule that has only been strengthened in it's 214 years of it's existence, no rough ridin' problem, bro!

I mean Bernie wants to do something similar for MFA, unless this has changed.  :dunno:

I like Warren's idea of bringing back the old school filibuster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/04/10/sanders-rules-healthcare-1267463

I was mocking Buttigieg's and by definition moderates views on what's possible and not possible. They act as if having big ideas are harmful or simply restricted to progressives.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2020, 07:27:40 PM
Or maybe they just like the middle sized ideas more.

FTR - I’m not aware of any self-described centrists or moderates who are fans of Pete’s half baked court packing proposal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Klo’s surge is definitely bad for Pete, but also not great for Sanders. It’s mostly anecdotal, but sounds like a fair chunk of Klo’s votes in NH came from former Warren supporters, who you otherwise would’ve expected to go to Bernie as their second choice.

I feel like some of y'all think that New Hampshire is full of progressives and it's not, it's just as moderate as Iowa is. Also remember that New Hampshire has also worked very hard to suppress votes from college students who resided in other states also capping the progressive vote. Bernie did fine.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Buttigieg’s supporters think this critique conflates political pragmatism with insufficient progressivism. “The other folks running have pretty liberal positions, but they don’t provide the best chance of actually getting these things done,” Adler told me. “Pete has proposed some pretty dramatic stuff with respect to our political institutions, like reforming the Supreme Court and eliminating the filibuster. That’s how you make change happen.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/11/21129665/pete-buttigieg-2020-democratic-primary-millennials

LOL, man people are so rough ridin' dumb. Eliminate student loan debt, impossible, how would we ever do that? Eliminate a Senate rule that has only been strengthened in it's 214 years of it's existence, no rough ridin' problem, bro!

I mean Bernie wants to do something similar for MFA, unless this has changed.  :dunno:

I like Warren's idea of bringing back the old school filibuster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/04/10/sanders-rules-healthcare-1267463

I was mocking Buttigieg's and by definition moderates views on what's possible and not possible. They act as if having big ideas are harmful or simply restricted to progressives.

pretty good thread on the subject. (for you, not for the republicans ITT):

https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1097119860834926592?s=20

http://www.armoxon.com/2019/02/the-compass-and-navigation.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 07:48:55 PM
Little Tiny Baby Klo is getting a whole lot of run for being someone who is a distant fourth in delegates from two hugely white moderate states, including a border state for her.

She hasn't actually done crap. Her performance in NH was what she should have done in Iowa. Flop the two and no one is acting like she's going to do crap going fourth. I'll bet every dollar I have that by the time she quits she'll never break the top 3 in delegates.

getting into the top three would require getting one delegate, iirc.  which she very well may not get another delegate, or warren and/or biden may start putting some delegates on the board.  but it doesn't seem that impossible, that i'd throw all my money on it.

i agree that she's getting pretty ridiculous buzz for pretty weak performances.  but that's how weak this field is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 08:15:05 PM
If Pete wins who is his VP? The police seems like a very McKenzie pick. Booker would also make sense.

Wildcard: Bloomberg :horrorsurprise:


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
Same with Bernie. He’s going to pick some freak show isn’t he. He should just make buds with Warren. He can prove himself wrong about a woman being president when he dies in office!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 12, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
He would have won the primary in '16, if it wasn't for the DNC in cahoots with Hillary rough ridin' Bernie over.

clinton kicked his ass fair and square, and it was never even particularly close.

The DNC gave CLINTON ALL THE UNDECIDED DELAGATES.  If they would have  SPLIT THEM, SANDERS WOULD HAVE WON THE PRIMARY NOMINATION. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 08:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227709609114251266
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 08:41:14 PM
The DNC gave CLINTON ALL THE UNDECIDED DELAGATES.  If they would have  SPLIT THEM, SANDERS WOULD HAVE WON THE PRIMARY NOMINATION.

wtf are you talking about?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 12, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
https://twitter.com/CaitlinFichtel/status/1227782336927891456
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 12, 2020, 08:53:44 PM
The DNC gave CLINTON ALL THE UNDECIDED DELAGATES.  If they would have  SPLIT THEM, SANDERS WOULD HAVE WON THE PRIMARY NOMINATION.

wtf are you talking about?

Superdelegates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 08:55:55 PM
https://twitter.com/CaitlinFichtel/status/1227782336927891456
LMAO at the replies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 12, 2020, 09:02:52 PM
Superdelegates.

oh.  kd, clinton won both the popular vote and the majority of pledged delegates easily.  superdelegates had nothing to do with her win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 12, 2020, 09:09:02 PM
Everyone who's been paying attention since Jan 2017 knows that

(https://media.giphy.com/media/kvdqOYjFcDQJy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 09:12:54 PM
Bloomberg's a real shithead

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1227757529859526656?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 12, 2020, 09:16:46 PM
https://twitter.com/CaitlinFichtel/status/1227782336927891456
LMAO at the replies
Wait, gross

https://twitter.com/JessReports/status/1227779214797164545?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 12, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
Those responses are like Daxbot version .15342 (We are currently on build 7.64926).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
Da Big Psycho . . . just can't stop thinking about me.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 12, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
Wait...holy crap! I understand it now. Daxbot likes #Bloomberg2020 because it reminds itself of a younger version OF itself.   :Wha:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
Bloomberg's a real shithead

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1227757529859526656?s=19

Ew
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 12, 2020, 10:02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/CaitlinFichtel/status/1227782336927891456
LMAO at the replies
Wait, gross

https://twitter.com/JessReports/status/1227779214797164545?s=19

I wonder if he watched the Fyre Festival documentary and thought this would be a good idea  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2020, 10:31:15 PM
Pete is basically like Hillary but with policy positions I mostly agree with and way less baggage.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2020, 10:31:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227675860972470277

Dumb
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 13, 2020, 01:47:51 AM
He would have won the primary in '16, if it wasn't for the DNC in cahoots with Hillary rough ridin' Bernie over.

clinton kicked his ass fair and square, and it was never even particularly close.

I was a Bernie delegate in 2016 and this is 100% facts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 13, 2020, 02:57:51 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/aoc-bernie-sanders-campaign-iowa

Cross post?

Sounds like Team AOC was all ready to go Cancel Culture over Joe Rogan.

Things like this are what frustrates me about Bernie and how he's choosing to run his campaign in 2020. The Rogan stuff and getting pissed at AOC because she had the temerity to actually express Bernie's true feelings about ICE instead of soft-pedaling to not offend potential voters. If you're going to be a progressive then be one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2020, 09:00:21 AM


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/aoc-bernie-sanders-campaign-iowa

Cross post?

Sounds like Team AOC was all ready to go Cancel Culture over Joe Rogan.

Things like this are what frustrates me about Bernie and how he's choosing to run his campaign in 2020. The Rogan stuff and getting pissed at AOC because she had the temerity to actually express Bernie's true feelings about ICE instead of soft-pedaling to not offend potential voters. If you're going to be a progressive then be one.

If there's one thing we can all agree on about Bernie it's that he's a half-hearted progressive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2020, 11:30:24 AM
Bloomberg's a real shithead

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1227757529859526656?s=19

Ew
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1227998968107479042?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 13, 2020, 11:36:09 AM
I think part of my dislike for Bernie as a person is his self-righteousness.

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1227780258851631104
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
It would be incredibly stupid for the party to nominate someone who doesn't have the plurality of delegates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2020, 11:55:56 AM
I cannot fathom a world where Bernie gets it but man, Bern v. Trump would literally be the most batship crazy thing this country has ever seen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on February 13, 2020, 12:11:11 PM
Significant odds that any Bernie/Trump debate might actually involve actual fisticuffs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2020, 12:18:12 PM
Significant odds that any Bernie/Trump debate might actually involve actual fisticuffs.

Bern takes that easy and it wouldn't even take long
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 13, 2020, 01:08:01 PM
i'm not sure Bern could take Prince Philip
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 13, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
As a young man Trump could not serve his country due to debilitating bone spurs.  That was decades ago
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1228035418261770240

early indications suggest sanders and bloomberg are picking up most of the voters being shed by biden and warren.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 13, 2020, 01:46:51 PM
Biden voters going to Bloomberg makes sense.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 13, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
They would have to be idiots, since Bloomberg is a racist Nazi.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 13, 2020, 05:45:51 PM
Biden voters going to Bloomberg makes sense.

I don't get the Bloomberg rise tbh.
Tons of ads showing how stupid Trump is.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2020, 05:53:13 PM
Biden voters going to Bloomberg makes sense.

I don't get the Bloomberg rise tbh.
Tons of ads showing how stupid Trump is.


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https://twitter.com/blakezeff/status/1227976156936171520?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 13, 2020, 05:59:50 PM
I mean, looks like his group is organized, thorough, and successful. Good things for a president IYAM
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 13, 2020, 05:59:50 PM
I mean, looks like his group is organized, thorough, and successful. Good things for a president IYAM
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 13, 2020, 06:04:14 PM
Biden voters going to Bloomberg makes sense.

I don't get the Bloomberg rise tbh.
Tons of ads showing how stupid Trump is.


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https://twitter.com/blakezeff/status/1227976156936171520?s=20

Also: Positions him as a general election candidate now, evades discussion of Dem primary issues where his record is toxic, & presents one of biggest GOP donors ever (Mike) as a loyal Dem who just wants to see Trump (his old golf pal) lose. So far, voters are lapping it up. 16/17             
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 13, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
Good for Mike.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 13, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
I almost forgot, there's plenty of rubes to go around.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 13, 2020, 06:09:45 PM
I almost forgot, there's plenty of rubes to go around.  :ROFL:
Don't hate the player...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 13, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
I have no illusions about politics. I'm #TeamPete because I think he's the smartest, and the only time we really need a President is when s/he gets a 3 A.M. phone call and needs to make a snap judgment with important implications.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2020, 06:14:43 PM
I think Pete will surround himself with smart people too


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2020, 06:15:04 PM
Bernie will be a bunch of idealist weirdos


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2020, 06:29:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1228082826383413248

lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 13, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1228082826383413248

lol.

Do these nerds think a fricking billionaire is going to save us.  Remember there are more rubes than clear thinkers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 13, 2020, 06:39:47 PM
Bloomberg Rising
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2020, 07:06:45 PM
Bloomberg is basically running on the Biden platform (I’m not gonna do or promise anything crazy, I’m just gonna beat Trump) except Bloomberg is able to do it in a polished way and without the appearance of a nursing home patient.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 13, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1228082826383413248

I'm fascinated by how 538 is not completely worthless, but almost completely worthless.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 13, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
getting pissed at AOC because she had the temerity to actually express Bernie's true feelings about ICE instead of soft-pedaling to not offend potential voters.

https://medium.com/@DoloresHuerta/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-is-not-who-he-says-he-is-b79980adff6a

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2020, 08:45:37 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1228082826383413248

I'm fascinated by how 538 is not completely worthless, but almost completely worthless.
Do they explain what "no one" means? Because literally no one representing the Democrats against Trump kinda seems unlikely
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 13, 2020, 09:03:10 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1228082826383413248

I'm fascinated by how 538 is not completely worthless, but almost completely worthless.
Do they explain what "no one" means? Because literally no one representing the Democrats against Trump kinda seems unlikely

I think it means that no candidate has been determined by the start of the convention. Possibly because none have a majority of delegates or something like that. ???
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 13, 2020, 10:11:47 PM
The majority of Lib Twitter is categorically insane.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 12:29:58 AM


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/aoc-bernie-sanders-campaign-iowa

Cross post?

Sounds like Team AOC was all ready to go Cancel Culture over Joe Rogan.

Things like this are what frustrates me about Bernie and how he's choosing to run his campaign in 2020. The Rogan stuff and getting pissed at AOC because she had the temerity to actually express Bernie's true feelings about ICE instead of soft-pedaling to not offend potential voters. If you're going to be a progressive then be one.

If there's one thing we can all agree on about Bernie it's that he's a half-hearted progressive.

That isn't my critique, I think his ambition to be president sometimes gets in the way of progressive ideals. To me, it gives pause about whether or not he will have the stomach to be a change agent or he will legislate to try to win or keep a legislative majority in 2022, then legislate to win re-election in 2024.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 12:35:06 AM
It would be incredibly stupid for the party to nominate someone who doesn't have the plurality of delegates.

It would literally destroy the party. I'd take four more years of trump's racist bullshit if it led to the destruction of the Democratic Party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 12:43:14 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 14, 2020, 04:49:46 AM
Do they explain what "no one" means? Because literally no one representing the Democrats against Trump kinda seems unlikely

I think it means that no candidate has been determined by the start of the convention. Possibly because none have a majority of delegates or something like that. ???

yeah, that no one receives a majority of pledged delegates.  the model also gives the odds that each candidate receives a majority or plurality of pledged delegates.  sanders is at 53% for the latter at the moment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 05:47:55 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.

Uhhhh, no. That was the part where he was doing his best to convince me isn’t alright.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 14, 2020, 06:01:39 AM
Yes Bloomberg is an awful person.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2020, 07:19:45 AM
lmao

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1228034856514396161?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 14, 2020, 07:30:34 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 08:19:31 AM


Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.

Uhhhh, no. That was the part where he was doing his best to convince me isn’t alright.


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The left is also kind of mad at bloomy for the racist-y stuff fwiw
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2020, 08:34:35 AM
Also him spending $1 billion on this election has me pretty uneasy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 14, 2020, 08:47:40 AM
It would be incredibly stupid for the party to nominate someone who doesn't have the plurality of delegates.

It would literally destroy the party. I'd take four more years of trump's racist bullshit if it led to the destruction of the Democratic Party.

I think that could definitely happen if he is re-elected.  Seems to me they have already accomplished a fair amount of irreparable damage to the party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
I thought Trump becoming the nominee would destroy the republican party. I guess it still might in the long run.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
I thought Trump becoming the nominee would destroy the republican party. I guess it still might in the long run.

The Republican Party showed incredible adaptability. Most members were able to re-align their values and key policy positions to conform with their new leader. It’s officially the party of Trump now for an unfortunate majority of the party.

Will be interesting if the Dems can do the same if Bernie wins.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2020, 09:12:44 AM
I thought Trump becoming the nominee would destroy the republican party. I guess it still might in the long run.

The Republican Party showed incredible adaptability. Most members were able to re-align their values and key policy positions to conform with their new leader. It’s officially the party of Trump now for an unfortunate majority of the party.

Will be interesting if the Dems can do the same if Bernie wins.


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Yeah. Do you think they stay MAGA post-Trump or do they go back to pretending they aren't racist nationalists?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2020, 09:34:27 AM
Trump has $200 million plus in the war chest now.  If Bernie gets nominated the money will come pouring in from everywhere. 

If you want Trump gone you sure AF don’t want Bernie.  FFS #facepalm

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 14, 2020, 09:34:45 AM
Also him spending $1 billion on this election has me pretty uneasy.

It would have been hilarious if he'd instead offered Trump that money in exchange for resigning.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 09:35:25 AM


I thought Trump becoming the nominee would destroy the republican party. I guess it still might in the long run.

The Republican Party showed incredible adaptability. Most members were able to re-align their values and key policy positions to conform with their new leader. It’s officially the party of Trump now for an unfortunate majority of the party.

Will be interesting if the Dems can do the same if Bernie wins.


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Trump's key policy positions are pretty much indistinguishable from pre-trump mainline Republican positions which made it pretty easy for them. Dems will need to shift more with Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2020, 09:46:30 AM
Are you calling them key just because they’re the ones most Republicans agree with?

I’ve had a very hard time determining what Trump prioritizes policy wise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
Are you calling them key just because they’re the ones most Republicans agree with?

I’ve had a very hard time determining what Trump prioritizes policy wise.

build the wall
give tax breaks to the rich
repeal obamacare
own the libs

he maybe shifted the order of priority around but republicans were not veering too far from those way back in the 2016 primaries. It's why Rubio and Jeb were trying to throw insults back at Trump instead of critiquing his policies. Because they didn't disagree with any of his policies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
Trump was the only republican candidate for president who wanted to build a wall in 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 09:55:48 AM
Trump was the only republican candidate for president who wanted to build a wall in 2016.

perhaps literally, but did any disagree with the fundamentals?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2020, 09:57:08 AM
Trump was the only republican candidate for president who wanted to build a wall in 2016.

perhaps literally, but did any disagree with the fundamentals?

Probably just Jeb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2020, 10:04:15 AM
When Republicans were fiscally conservative and did not want to take money away from the military I think they were generally anti-wall.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 14, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
LOL, he was they only one with the guts to admit it and vocalize what Republicans have been wanting for decades. 

Trump is the natural progression of Republican thought and policies.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 14, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
They used to call it "border security." They're happy to replace that with "the wall." Or with "shooting trespassers on sight." The KEY thing is keeping outsiders out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
Are you calling them key just because they’re the ones most Republicans agree with?

I’ve had a very hard time determining what Trump prioritizes policy wise.

build the wall
give tax breaks to the rich
repeal obamacare
own the libs

he maybe shifted the order of priority around but republicans were not veering too far from those way back in the 2016 primaries. It's why Rubio and Jeb were trying to throw insults back at Trump instead of critiquing his policies. Because they didn't disagree with any of his policies.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580222116/the-gops-evolution-on-immigration

Part of the proposed solution was to speak compassionately about the issue of immigration. Here's how former George W. Bush adviser Karen Hughes put it in an opinion piece published by Politico:

"The immigration rhetoric that came out of the Republican primary seemed harsh, unwelcoming and offputting to many minority voters. Obama increased his share of the Hispanic vote and won it 69 percent to 29 percent (per The New York Times exit poll); likewise he built a huge margin among Asian voters, 74-25, almost doubling the margin of his support compared to 2008. Both of those constituencies are hardworking, upwardly mobile, family-oriented, and should be open to Republican appeals if we don't make them feel unwelcome."

yeah also

Quote
But Mark Krikorian, an advocate for less immigration at the Washington, D.C., think tank Center for Immigration Studies, has a his own theory. He doesn't think attitudes toward immigration have changed much at all among Republican voters. He thinks it's a case of past leaders simply being out of touch with where the party rank and file were on the issue.

"Ordinary Republican voters were just much more hawkish on immigration than Republican politicians and advisers and fixers and donors and the whole political class," Krikorian said.

Conservative voters were strong enough to prevent passage of immigration legislation pushed by President George W. Bush, whose support among Hispanics reached 40 percent in the 2004 election, a high for the GOP.

Trump didn't significantly change views of the party (it was already happening), he just brought it to the front and put into an easy-to-digest format
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 14, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
Trump has $200 million plus in the war chest now.  If Bernie gets nominated the money will come pouring in from everywhere. 

If you want Trump gone you sure AF don’t want Bernie.  FFS #facepalm

Clinton outspent Trump 5:1
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
Trump has $200 million plus in the war chest now.  If Bernie gets nominated the money will come pouring in from everywhere. 

If you want Trump gone you sure AF don’t want Bernie.  FFS #facepalm

Clinton outspent Trump 5:1

It's a different dynamic now.   Clinton lost because her campaign thought they had it in the bag. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 14, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
I thought they lost because the libs were too mean?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
when you have the two shittiest candidates of all time face off there can be only one loser, unfortunately
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
when you have the two shittiest candidates of all time face off there can be only one loser, unfortunately

LMAO y’all thought i meant Clinton :lol: fohhh!

(it was us, the United States citizens who were the losers  :blank:)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 11:03:19 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.

It's a really poor comparison. Vrabel is taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, that they have little to no power to change. Bloomberg, Trump, et al, are using their money to continue to keep a thumb on the scale to protect the status quo. If Bloomberg came out and said, "I'm doing this to ensure that another American can never ever buy an election again," then vowed his remaining billions to ending poverty, then I'd be all for this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 14, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.

It's a really poor comparison. Vrabel is taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, that they have little to no power to change. Bloomberg, Trump, et al, are using their money to continue to keep a thumb on the scale to protect the status quo. If Bloomberg came out and said, "I'm doing this to ensure that another American can never ever buy an election again," then vowed his remaining billions to ending poverty, then I'd be all for this.
I dunno, Bloomberg is doing something that is also essentially a loophole in the rules to increase his chance of winning. They should for sure change the rules, but moral victories don’t win elections
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
The various elements of the status quo are always protected no matter who is president. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 14, 2020, 11:16:50 AM
I promise I'm not being disingenuous here, but MIR, what is your ideal 1000 foot view of how campaigns should be financed.  Safe to assume capped donation from private individuals? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 11:40:19 AM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.

It's a really poor comparison. Vrabel is taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, that they have little to no power to change. Bloomberg, Trump, et al, are using their money to continue to keep a thumb on the scale to protect the status quo. If Bloomberg came out and said, "I'm doing this to ensure that another American can never ever buy an election again," then vowed his remaining billions to ending poverty, then I'd be all for this.
I dunno, Bloomberg is doing something that is also essentially a loophole in the rules to increase his chance of winning. They should for sure change the rules, but moral victories don’t win elections

You think the Citizens United ruling is a loophole in the rules?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
I promise I'm not being disingenuous here, but MIR, what is your ideal 1000 foot view of how campaigns should be financed.  Safe to assume capped donation from private individuals?

Contribution limits, spending limits, removal of the not-for-profit exemption, no super pacs. I'd be willing to flex on the no super pacs rule, but they would need to be heavily regulated.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 14, 2020, 11:57:31 AM
Are you calling them key just because they’re the ones most Republicans agree with?

I’ve had a very hard time determining what Trump prioritizes policy wise.

build the wall
give tax breaks to the rich
repeal obamacare
own the libs

he maybe shifted the order of priority around but republicans were not veering too far from those way back in the 2016 primaries. It's why Rubio and Jeb were trying to throw insults back at Trump instead of critiquing his policies. Because they didn't disagree with any of his policies.

You are missing the two issues (closely related) that are key to Trump's appeal to many Republicans and a smaller subset of Independents.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 14, 2020, 12:01:00 PM
I promise I'm not being disingenuous here, but MIR, what is your ideal 1000 foot view of how campaigns should be financed.  Safe to assume capped donation from private individuals?

Contribution limits, spending limits, removal of the not-for-profit exemption, no super pacs. I'd be willing to flex on the no super pacs rule, but they would need to be heavily regulated.
Seems reasonable. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 14, 2020, 12:09:54 PM
Everyone should get the president they want.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 14, 2020, 12:38:50 PM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.

It's a really poor comparison. Vrabel is taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, that they have little to no power to change. Bloomberg, Trump, et al, are using their money to continue to keep a thumb on the scale to protect the status quo. If Bloomberg came out and said, "I'm doing this to ensure that another American can never ever buy an election again," then vowed his remaining billions to ending poverty, then I'd be all for this.
I dunno, Bloomberg is doing something that is also essentially a loophole in the rules to increase his chance of winning. They should for sure change the rules, but moral victories don’t win elections

You think the Citizens United ruling is a loophole in the rules?
Okay, so maybe we are talking past each other. Bloomberg is doing something that is fully within the rules, so it’s more like a coach deciding to utilize the forward pass to try to score points.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 14, 2020, 12:42:24 PM
Lib twitter is all sorts of mad about Bloomberg. Makes me think Bloomy may be alright. Which is something considering Bloomy’s work to date trying to convince me he isn’t. Quite the pickle.


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If you read that twitter string and are cool with that infiltrating our political system, I'm perfectly cool with you being on the dax side of the issue. That didn't even mention that he has one of the largest news media companies in the country and instructed them not to cover him critically.
I think it’s bad that it is a part of our political system, kind of like how I think that the Belicheck/Vrabel trick to do delay of game-false start-delay of game to milk more time off the clock is bad. It is bad, but within the rules, so if you have the means to do it and decide not to, you aren’t playing to win. 

I appreciate that Bloomberg is seemingly playing to win.

It's a really poor comparison. Vrabel is taking advantage of a loophole in the rules, that they have little to no power to change. Bloomberg, Trump, et al, are using their money to continue to keep a thumb on the scale to protect the status quo. If Bloomberg came out and said, "I'm doing this to ensure that another American can never ever buy an election again," then vowed his remaining billions to ending poverty, then I'd be all for this.
I dunno, Bloomberg is doing something that is also essentially a loophole in the rules to increase his chance of winning. They should for sure change the rules, but moral victories don’t win elections

You think the Citizens United ruling is a loophole in the rules?
Okay, so maybe we are talking past each other. Bloomberg is doing something that is fully within the rules, so it’s more like a coach deciding to utilize the forward pass to try to score points.

I'm not saying I agree with MIR on this issue, but I think the situation is more like Vrabel bleeding the clock "within the rules," and then also being the chair of the rules committee and opposing changing the rule.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 01:23:34 PM
Are you calling them key just because they’re the ones most Republicans agree with?

I’ve had a very hard time determining what Trump prioritizes policy wise.

build the wall
give tax breaks to the rich
repeal obamacare
own the libs

he maybe shifted the order of priority around but republicans were not veering too far from those way back in the 2016 primaries. It's why Rubio and Jeb were trying to throw insults back at Trump instead of critiquing his policies. Because they didn't disagree with any of his policies.

You are missing the two issues (closely related) that are key to Trump's appeal to many Republicans and a smaller subset of Independents.
Ok you can tell me what I missed I guess
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 14, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Pro life / conservative judges
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
Yup, republicans will look the other way on literally any behavior as long as he keeps not rough ridin' up on those two things
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 14, 2020, 04:19:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1228418181125038080
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 14, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1228387915807498241
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 05:57:18 PM
WE GOT HIS COMFORTABLE ASS!

https://twitter.com/HankThomasDC/status/1227746074623905795
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
I bet Bernie has shitloads of oneworld miles. He only flies American, because he loves this country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on February 14, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Is that really Bernie?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 06:55:05 PM
Is that really Bernie?

Yes, but it wasn't first class and that picture is from 2018.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
Thats a tiny little regional tube, looks like an A Eagle 175 (BEST TINY LITTLE REGIONAL) EDIT: and that’s absolutely first class.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
And I agree with Rus that Bernie is prob exec plat and gets upgraded 24/7/365. As he should.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 14, 2020, 08:56:18 PM
https://twitter.com/elizacollins1/status/1228510367124459521?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 15, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Pro life / conservative judges

This is all that matters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 15, 2020, 12:11:42 PM
Wonder if Bloomberg is still Dax's man.  :ROFL:

Sources close to Bloomberg campaign tell DRUDGE REPORT that candidate is considering Hillary Clinton as running mate, after their polling found the Bloomberg-Clinton combination would be formidable force... MORE

DRUDGE has learned that Bloomberg himself would go as far as to change his official residence from New York to homes he owns in Colorado or Florida, since the electoral college makes it hard for a POTUS and VPOTUS from the same state... Developing..
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 15, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
Here's another one from another highly trusted source.  :ROFL:

Mike Bloomberg 'is picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate in the 2020 Democratic race to help take on Trump'
consihttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/dering
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2020, 02:45:55 PM
Man that sucks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2020, 02:50:34 PM
Man that sucks
Heh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2020, 12:13:33 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Leh-QlpD0Yk[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 16, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
https://twitter.com/amandawgolden/status/1229042967148580866
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2020, 10:29:18 AM
Watching the sunday political talk shows and wow, this entire field is pretty bad.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2020, 12:38:23 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/davidklion/status/1229076282186649607

https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1229086091854176256

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2020, 01:09:33 PM
So pumped about returning to this level of stuff being considered a scandal.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2020, 02:08:14 PM
Yes, we can all rally around this being fun


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2020, 03:48:09 PM
 :lol: :lol: At the thought of a Bernie Sanders administration being without controversy and investigation.

The dude and his wife were just under FBI investigation for bank fraud.   :lol: :lol:

#usefulidiots




Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2020, 03:49:23 PM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Leh-QlpD0Yk[/youtube]

That makes me like Bernie tbh

As one person said, he sounds like Principal McVicker from Beavis and Butthead.   :lol:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2020, 03:50:43 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-bernie-sanders-topless-protest-20200216-pz2tvkclpjektiwqinclvvzw6q-story.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2020, 03:55:43 PM
If there was anyone wondering who the new Dem front runner was you’d have to look no further than Dax’s posting.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2020, 06:38:44 PM
Update:

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1229188956077641728?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 16, 2020, 06:50:27 PM
Man that thread is great. Conspiracy level crap that would make Dax blush.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 16, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Update:

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1229188956077641728?s=21
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2020, 07:16:35 PM
Update:

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1229188956077641728?s=21

Bernie Bros absolutely roasted this innocent Nigerian Pete fan!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2020, 07:31:34 PM
The saga continues!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2020, 11:20:30 PM
Useful idiots trying to out useful idiot each other.

 :users: :users: :users:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 04:57:10 AM
https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1229192041483120643?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Dax is all horned up for those dairy ladies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 17, 2020, 03:14:52 PM
Bernie gets porn at "no charge".   Unlike the king of rubes who pays 100's of thousands for it.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 03:27:02 PM
It's the little things that makes Useful Idiot LibDork Nation happy.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 03:32:15 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterMentes/status/1228518467776761856?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterMentes/status/1228518467776761856?s=20
That's your guy, dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 03:51:34 PM
You have trouble following along.

That's an amazing slam of places like Kansas and Missouri.   Wow

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 17, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterMentes/status/1228518467776761856?s=20
That's your guy, dax

He really loves his modcon NY billionaire elitists  :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 03:57:05 PM
Just looking for you tell us about your bullshit cop out write in LibDork.9

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
You have trouble following along.

That's an amazing slam of places like Kansas and Missouri.   Wow

Is that right? How so?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
You have trouble following along.

That's an amazing slam of places like Kansas and Missouri.   Wow

Is that right? How so?

What is one of the primary economic engines of those two states?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2020, 04:08:17 PM
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1229526201619951617?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 04:11:09 PM
Principal McVicker is really going hard at Bloomie.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 17, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
Here we see dax already laying the groundwork for casting his for Trump in November.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 04:32:43 PM
Here we see dax already laying the groundwork for casting his for Trump in November.

I've already said I'm not voting for Sanders or Warren. 

ChumDummy giving SlowDug, Phil and Da Big Psycho a run for number of laps down.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 17, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 05:14:23 PM
Principal McVicker and Lyin Liz ahoy . . .

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jeff-bezos-spent-more-on-his-new-home-in-beverly-hills-than-amazon-has-paid-so-far-in-us-federal-income-tax-for-2019-2020-02-15
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2020, 05:18:09 PM
Dax, you’re voting for Trump again. It doesn’t matter one way or the other but pretending is silly.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 05:23:12 PM
Dax, you’re voting for Trump again. It doesn’t matter one way or the other but pretending is silly.


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WTF does that last post have to do with Trump?  FFS, Steve
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
Dax, you’re voting for Trump again. It doesn’t matter one way or the other but pretending is silly.


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WTF does that last post have to do with Trump?  FFS, Steve

:-(


Here we see dax already laying the groundwork for casting his for Trump in November.

I've already said I'm not voting for Sanders or Warren. 

ChumDummy giving SlowDug, Phil and Da Big Psycho a run for number of laps down.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 05:49:55 PM
Dax, you’re voting for Trump again. It doesn’t matter one way or the other but pretending is silly.


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WTF does that last post have to do with Trump?  FFS, Steve

:-(


Here we see dax already laying the groundwork for casting his for Trump in November.

I've already said I'm not voting for Sanders or Warren. 

ChumDummy giving SlowDug, Phil and Da Big Psycho a run for number of laps down.


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The only one viable of those two is Bernie in regard to getting the nomination.

It's a long way from being over. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 17, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Dax, upon seeing that Bloomberg has done something 1/100th as bad as 100 things Trump has done: welp, looks like Bloomberg let me down and I've gotta vote for Trump now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2020, 06:20:07 PM
You have trouble following along.

That's an amazing slam of places like Kansas and Missouri.   Wow

Is that right? How so?

What is one of the primary economic engines of those two states?

You might want to check the percentage of the agriculture impact of Alabama compared to Missouri.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
You have trouble following along.

That's an amazing slam of places like Kansas and Missouri.   Wow

Is that right? How so?

What is one of the primary economic engines of those two states?

You might want to check the percentage of the agriculture impact of Alabama compared to Missouri.

Okay, I’ll get right on that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 06:29:13 PM
Dax, upon seeing that Bloomberg has done something 1/100th as bad as 100 things Trump has done: welp, looks like Bloomberg let me down and I've gotta vote for Trump now.

Not really, but you keep trying ChumDummy.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 17, 2020, 06:30:29 PM
Dax, you’re voting for Trump again. It doesn’t matter one way or the other but pretending is silly.

let's not be stupid, it absolutely matters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 17, 2020, 06:39:04 PM
I’ll vote for the democrat unless it’s Biden. We all deserve Trump If he is the best that be offered up as an alternative.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 17, 2020, 07:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1229544331071180800

Dax's guy already stimulating the economy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2020, 07:08:00 PM
Yeah, this is not the worst thing he could do with his money. Let it flow.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1229544331071180800

Dax's guy already stimulating the economy

Lib my favorite “growers” were pretty pissed about the whole seed/grey matter riff. 

Just hate to see those guys upset.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 17, 2020, 07:30:46 PM
I’ll vote for the democrat unless it’s Biden.

biden is pretty much the only remaining candidate i consider minimally acceptable..
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 17, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
Pete!!


https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1229475402835316742?s=21.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 17, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
That response was workshopped to perfection.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
That response was workshopped to perfection.
So cringey
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 17, 2020, 10:42:09 PM
Pete!!


https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1229475402835316742?s=21.


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I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I confess that I still stand in awe of some of the stuff that Useful Idiot facilitated media comes up with.

That question to Pete is certainly one of the many bell cows being added to the exponentially growing herd of LibDork Useful Idiocy.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2020, 10:44:43 PM
Glad to see this one back

https://twitter.com/ggooooddddoogg/status/1229612881806647297?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 18, 2020, 03:13:21 AM
What's your pool of remaining candidates atm?


assuming you mean the primary:

biden is pretty much the only remaining candidate i consider minimally acceptable..

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 18, 2020, 06:06:08 AM
Glad to see this one back

https://twitter.com/ggooooddddoogg/status/1229612881806647297?s=19

Yes, these are good


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2020, 08:47:29 AM
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1229778451508449281?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Cire on February 18, 2020, 08:55:42 AM
Spend baby Spend
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2020, 11:55:37 AM
More Weirdness at a Principal McVicker event

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/02/17/video-fight-bernie-sanders-rally-denver/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2020, 12:25:46 PM
My takeaway from coverage of Bernie in Tacoma last night is that a disproportionate number of his fans have green hair.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2020, 12:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1229805998946299907

Dax's guy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 18, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1229805998946299907

Dax's guy

I think he's turned on him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
I'm just glad LibDork.9 broke away from buying more shares in Prison Inc. to post about Bloomie.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 18, 2020, 02:15:37 PM
Gotcha, wasn't sure if you were including everyone in the primary or discounting those you don't think have a viable path.

we're down to eight candidates, the only one remaining with no strength anywhere is gabbard.  of the other seven, four seem highly improbable, but if accept that there is a good chance that we end up with a contested convention, i'm not sure i any longer feel completely confident in saying any of them (except gabbard and probably steyer) can't secure the nomination.

obviously sanders has a much better chance than anyone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 18, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
More Weirdness at a Principal McVicker event

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/02/17/video-fight-bernie-sanders-rally-denver/

Extremely poor grappling technique on display.  The takedown was OK, but after that it was pure trash.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 18, 2020, 02:35:33 PM
i expect bloomberg to be pretty awful in the upcoming debate.  be interesting to see if he loses any momentum when voters see him outside a tightly controlled advertising presentation.

not sure how many voters are watching the debates these days.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 18, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1229889293398822916

lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2020, 07:48:05 PM
Pete doing Pete things

https://twitter.com/juliacarriew/status/1229944054298955776?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2020, 08:52:03 PM
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1229778451508449281

That's a great tweet, they're going to drag Bloomberg's ass all over that stage, and the moderators will help them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2020, 08:52:39 PM
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1229889293398822916

lol.

https://twitter.com/TheTweetsTimes/status/1229891058206748675
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
Give me that Old Town Media, that Old Town Media . . .

But she didn't take any commissions.   :lol:

#feeltheBeurn
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
Man, what a pickle.

You've got Bernie who has at various times in his life shown great admiration for that ol' Soviet System on one side.

On the other, you've got Bloomie who has pocketed many billions off the Chinese (The Bidens are extremely jealous) and Bloomberg News has gone out of its way over the years to kiss Chinese ass.

If either is elected, using the current political environment as our guide . . . there has to be a full fledged meltdown and a immediate call for special counsel investigations and even, dare I say, impeachment.   

SMDH







Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-lp-nda-china/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 19, 2020, 01:23:09 PM
I can see why you like him now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/kylethede/status/1230162026980311040?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 03:22:41 PM
It's certainly better than Hillary's black preacher and I carry hot sauce in my purse shtick . . . I think. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 03:23:54 PM
Agree that the hot sauce thing was cringe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
This debate is LIVELY. Candidates attacking each other.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
Chuck Todd got rid of his horrible goatee, but his hair sucks as much as ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2020, 09:10:34 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 19, 2020, 09:11:41 PM
Is she running for president and when did she switch parties?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 19, 2020, 09:27:17 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old

Bucket what is the party talking point on this?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 09:33:17 PM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1230333768721846273?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 19, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old

Bucket what is the party talking point on this?

I will be playful with seriouscat, but not with you. You should know full well those are two different things.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 19, 2020, 09:43:19 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old

Bucket what is the party talking point on this?

Gender assignment and gender identity are independent from one another.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2020, 09:47:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 09:50:53 PM
Watching the recording and Liz is doing very well
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2020, 09:54:26 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/ralmeling/status/1230333188909617152


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 09:56:05 PM
Biden's makeup is bad
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old

Bucket what is the party talking point on this?

I will be playful with seriouscat, but not with you. You should know full well those are two different things.
Am I on notice?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 19, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/ralmeling/status/1230333188909617152


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
This debate is LIVELY. Candidates attacking each other.

SD boy, Joe Blow Biden took it up the ass in his closing statement.  Ppl. just don't like this smart ass.  Also I'm really getting tried of the millionaire slick of how poor and hard it was growing up.  Seems Bernie is the only one that makes sense.  BTW, Klo'ey would be my second choice, cause I like her spunk.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 19, 2020, 10:15:14 PM
https://twitter.com/tomilahren/status/1230326913379393536?s=21

That one never gets old

Bucket what is the party talking point on this?

I will be playful with seriouscat, but not with you. You should know full well those are two different things.
Am I on notice?

No, I mean you are many laps behind tho, so that sucks but it's pretty expected coming from you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 10:17:43 PM
Liz murdered dax's guy on the nda's
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 19, 2020, 10:24:38 PM
What is it that keeps good, qualified people away from becoming presidential candidates?  We need to pinpoint it and remove the barrier because all the candidates for the last 2 presidential elections are real bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 10:37:56 PM
That's on both sides.  I think it is because the ultra rich have their man and they will mine eff the masses to get what they want.  BTW, it's been happening for the last 120 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
Also eff the phony Pete-butt-head.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 10:42:11 PM
Omg, a phony politician you say? *clutches pearls*
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 19, 2020, 10:42:30 PM
OMG, Klobacher (sp?) is a rough ridin' drag to listen to. She is corny AF.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
Omg, a phony politician you say? *clutches pearls*
Some are phonier than others
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 10:50:37 PM
OMG, Klobacher (sp?) is a rough ridin' drag to listen to. She is corny AF.
That boxing line was godawful
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Phony scores 1-10

Bloomberg 4
Warren 1
Sanders 3
Biden 7
Pete 10
Klob 6
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 10:59:41 PM
Phony scores 1-10

Bloomberg 4
Warren 1
Sanders 3
Biden 7
Pete 10
Klob 6
Warren being less phony than Sanders is laughable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 11:06:06 PM
Liz murdered dax's guy on the nda's

Mayor Pete did well, really stuck to his talking points.

#proud
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 11:08:04 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 11:13:10 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 11:24:18 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2020, 11:25:20 PM
What is it that keeps good, qualified people away from becoming presidential candidates?  We need to pinpoint it and remove the barrier because all the candidates for the last 2 presidential elections are real bad.

All these people watched a black dude with no experience get elected and figure "why not my dumb ass"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 19, 2020, 11:25:47 PM
In a few weeks Soccer Grandma will still be going no where and all the NDA stuff won't matter.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2020, 11:31:38 PM
Phony scores 1-10

Bloomberg 4
Warren 1
Sanders 3
Biden 7
Pete 10
Klob 6
Warren being less phony than Sanders is laughable.

I think her interest in helping others is more sincere than his. Bernie is pretty occupied with Bernie's great ideas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 11:31:50 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
The main reason Klo'ey got my attention is when she came out an said she got all three of her ex-boyfriends to help fund her campaign.  I don't think Butt-boo would make that kind of statement. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 19, 2020, 11:36:50 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Welcome to Democratic Party candidate discussion!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 19, 2020, 11:43:13 PM
I don't know, maybe I should step out of the thread.  I just can't believe I didn't get one  :ROFL: from my previous post.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 11:43:32 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 19, 2020, 11:46:51 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 19, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Personally I dngaf if a president is phony or not.  I do like genuine candidates because it gives me confidence they're going to set out to accomplish things on their platform.  But if I think someone is going to try to pass healthcare reform purely for their own ego and legacy vs. for the good of the American people, I really couldn't care less as long as I think they're equipped to get it done.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2020, 11:56:17 PM


But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

I had a reply written but I just assume you're trolling
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 12:02:27 AM


But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

I had a reply written but I just assume you're trolling
Truly not trolling. They're all fake. Just looking for the one I believe in when the crap hits the fan.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 12:38:10 AM




But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

I had a reply written but I just assume you're trolling
Truly not trolling. They're all fake. Just looking for the one I believe in when the crap hits the fan.

Oh I believe you sincerely think they're all phony
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 12:42:00 AM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Not at all! That's another reason I'm Pro Pete. I believe he will surround himself with smart, accountable peteple.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 12:45:13 AM
https://twitter.com/altochulo/status/1230362994476871681

(https://media.giphy.com/media/13hxeOYjoTWtK8/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 20, 2020, 07:36:07 AM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Not at all! That's another reason I'm Pro Pete. I believe he will surround himself with smart, accountable peteple.

Yeah but why can't the smart, accountable people run for office?  I'm guessing they don't want to, but it sucks that you have to hope the turd on a stick you voted for will surround himself with way better people.

EDIT:  OR HERSELF …  calm down MIR
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
Obama was a smart accountable person who surrounded himself with smart people. It happens. Mostly it happens with moderates like Obama though. My biased opinion is that anyone living on the fringe is going to surround themselves with others on the fringe and that doesn’t equal smart and accountable in the majority of instances.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 08:16:38 AM
This was probably my fav debate so far. Mostly shook out as expected with Warren on the offensive trying to breathe some life back into her campaign and Pete vs Klo competing against each other for the center. Might have been reading too much into it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Warren intentionally was soft on Klo in the hopes of getting some of Warren’s voters back from her. Bernie and Pete seemed the same as always.

Biggest surprise was probably how unprepared Bloomberg seemed for some questions he absolutely knew he would get. Like he had no idea what to say about the former female employee NDA thing when that had been widely reported leading up to last night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
Obama was a smart accountable person who surrounded himself with smart people. It happens. Mostly it happens with moderates like Obama though. My biased opinion is that anyone living on the fringe is going to surround themselves with others on the fringe and that doesn’t equal smart and accountable in the majority of instances.


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Some fringes are better than others.

Also I think how a campaign is run can give some insight. Like, Pete has done a fantastic job to get where he is and has surrounded himself with smart people but it seems like they're really gross smart people who lack moral boundaries more than most. And I don't think he's the only candidate with smart people working for them.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 08:36:35 AM
i enjoyed the part where all these old, white guys were comparing the functionality of there hearts, and number of stints they have.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
Obama: Accountable  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 08:57:36 AM
Liz and Bernie:  A Festivus Airing of the Grievances the whole year through.

That's really all they have.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
i watched most of it, can't really recall anyone going after Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
Bernie was like the one person Warren didn't go after. There's not much reason to go after Bernie. He isn't going to be gaining or losing any voters. He's the Trump of 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 09:29:30 AM
I most remember Warren brutalizing Bloomberg. After that, I remember Pete and Klob trying and failing to punch each other several times and ultimately just looking weird and awkward.

https://twitter.com/igarcia127/status/1230352842210279425
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 09:45:47 AM
Haha. Good tweet. Yeah it was almost as if they were both instructed by their campaigns to take each other out but didn’t particularly have the desire or preparation to really do it.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 09:51:26 AM
https://twitter.com/altochulo/status/1230362994476871681

(https://media.giphy.com/media/13hxeOYjoTWtK8/giphy.gif)

I didn't watch, did Bernie and Liz go ar each other? Or mainly just Bloomberg and Pete?

Everyone went after Bloomberg. Liz and Bern by far the most. Then probably Biden.

Liz and Pete had some jabs back and forth about Liz’s plans being polarizing and unrealistic and Pete’s being uninspired or too accommodating to the rich.

Very little between Bernie and Liz. He really has no reason to go after her, and Liz was just trying to become relevant again. Bloomberg was a perfect target for that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
I watched most of the debate last night although, full disclosure, I put some of Liz on mute because - like Hillary, there's just something in that screechy voice that triggers me. But I love the way she raises her hand at every question! :lol:

A few quick takes....

I thought the moderators were ok and actually asked some decent questions.

If you want to see how a political party utterly consumed with the victim identity politics of race, gender, sexuality and income devours itself, look no further than the dumpster fire that was last night's debate. They might as well have set up a guillotine on stage. As a conservative, it's amazingly entertaining (with appropriate use of mute button for Liz).

This is the first time I really watched/listened to Bernie Sanders for a prolonged period - not just little clips. He is a living, breathing (I assume) cartoon character. Much more so than Donald Trump (and that's hard to believe). There is absolutely no way America elects this communist muppet to be president. If the Don is still looking for a cute nickname, may I suggest The Commie Muppet. This is the contest conservatives and America should relish, The Don v. The Bern. Dems, are you realy so batshit crazy that you're going to nominate a socialist... in this economy? I think you are! :lol:

My goodness, how was Mini Mike so utterly unprepared for all those attacks?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 10:00:09 AM
Ugh. Why did you come back?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 10:04:21 AM
Speak for yourself, dumb1. I am happy to welcome KSUW being back for election season!

KSUW did you also find Klo’s voice to be too lady shrill for listening to?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 20, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
whenever dub comes back for a drive-by i'm always like whoa
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 10:17:36 AM
Speak for yourself, dumb1. I am happy to welcome KSUW being back for election season!

KSUW did you also find Klo’s voice to be too lady shrill for listening to?

I haven’t watched much of Elena besides last night, but I didn’t find her “lady shrill” at all. I don’t think this has anything to do with being a woman, there’s just something I can’t quite put my finger on about listening to Liz and Hil. Something in the speed, cadence, timbre. I don’t know what it is, but it feels like every word they say is so.... insistent that I hear them out because everything they have to say is so important even though it’s mostly inane bullshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
It truly was a hilarious exhibition of Eat the Rich. 

In the case of Liz and Bernie in particular, it’s all they have. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
The problem is definitely with the women, not with KSUW.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Klo has a weird voice. Warren's doesn't bother me. I also don't like the way Bernie talks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
KSUW, what did you think about Sarah Palin's voice?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
Amy Klobuchar sounds like a car horn that speaks English.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 10:51:03 AM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Not at all! That's another reason I'm Pro Pete. I believe he will surround himself with smart, accountable peteple.

Yeah but why can't the smart, accountable people run for office?  I'm guessing they don't want to, but it sucks that you have to hope the turd on a stick you voted for will surround himself with way better people.

EDIT:  OR HERSELF …  calm down MIR

This is the second time you've posted this take that there haven't been good presidential candidates. I'm not sure what constitutes good in your eyes but between the 2016 and 2020 elections there have been 52 presidential candidates. If you can't find someone you feel closely aligns your values in a field of 52 people, the issue may be what you identify what you value and not the people actually running for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
https://twitter.com/altochulo/status/1230362994476871681

(https://media.giphy.com/media/13hxeOYjoTWtK8/giphy.gif)

I didn't watch, did Bernie and Liz go ar each other? Or mainly just Bloomberg and Pete?

Liz couldn't wait to drag Bloomberg's ass, just as I predicted. She was literally raising her hand 3 seconds into the first question, which was asked to Bernie about Bloomberg. She started with a Trump comparison and never let up. The only thing she attacked anyone else on were their unwillingness to endorse a MFA plan. She actually had a very effective critique of Biden, Klo, and Pete's plans but no one actually cares about that stuff. Sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 10:58:01 AM
Very little between Bernie and Liz. He really has no reason to go after her, and Liz was just trying to become relevant again. Bloomberg was a perfect target for that.

She's third in the current delegate count.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
Which means very little at this point. The important part is she wasn’t making many headlines. Even Klo got more press because of the strong NH showing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on February 20, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Not at all! That's another reason I'm Pro Pete. I believe he will surround himself with smart, accountable peteple.

Yeah but why can't the smart, accountable people run for office?  I'm guessing they don't want to, but it sucks that you have to hope the turd on a stick you voted for will surround himself with way better people.

EDIT:  OR HERSELF …  calm down MIR

This is the second time you've posted this take that there haven't been good presidential candidates. I'm not sure what constitutes good in your eyes but between the 2016 and 2020 elections there have been 52 presidential candidates. If you can't find someone you feel closely aligns your values in a field of 52 people, the issue may be what you identify what you value and not the people actually running for president.
This. If there hasn't been a good, qualified candidate yet then please offer some examples of who would be in your eyes. What past presidents were good/qualified candidates before running? Former governors? Senators? Generals?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2020, 11:19:58 AM
Which means very little at this point. The important part is she wasn’t making many headlines. Even Klo got more press because of the strong NH showing.

Headlines are more important than the delegate count. Interesting take.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 11:21:41 AM
I watched most of the debate last night although, full disclosure, I put some of Liz on mute because - like Hillary, there's just something in that screechy voice that triggers me. But I love the way she raises her hand at every question! :lol:

A few quick takes....

I thought the moderators were ok and actually asked some decent questions.

If you want to see how a political party utterly consumed with the victim identity politics of race, gender, sexuality and income devours itself, look no further than the dumpster fire that was last night's debate. They might as well have set up a guillotine on stage. As a conservative, it's amazingly entertaining (with appropriate use of mute button for Liz).

This is the first time I really watched/listened to Bernie Sanders for a prolonged period - not just little clips. He is a living, breathing (I assume) cartoon character. Much more so than Donald Trump (and that's hard to believe). There is absolutely no way America elects this communist muppet to be president. If the Don is still looking for a cute nickname, may I suggest The Commie Muppet. This is the contest conservatives and America should relish, The Don v. The Bern. Dems, are you realy so batshit crazy that you're going to nominate a socialist... in this economy? I think you are! :lol:

My goodness, how was Mini Mike so utterly unprepared for all those attacks?

this is a good example of how the fringes are different. On one fringe, you have K-S-U who can't stand how broads talk and wants to make up clever nicknames for Trump. On the other fringe, you have two great board dads and lovely people, Kat Kid and MiR.

the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
Amy Klobuchar sounds like a car horn that speaks English.
Literally lol'd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 11:35:18 AM
Which means very little at this point. The important part is she wasn’t making many headlines. Even Klo got more press because of the strong NH showing.

Headlines are more important than the delegate count. Interesting take.

After only two primaries, one of those things has a bigger impact on fundraising than the other. I’ll let you guess which one.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 20, 2020, 11:45:54 AM
I watched most of the debate last night although, full disclosure, I put some of Liz on mute because - like Hillary, there's just something in that screechy voice that triggers me. But I love the way she raises her hand at every question! :lol:

A few quick takes....

I thought the moderators were ok and actually asked some decent questions.

If you want to see how a political party utterly consumed with the victim identity politics of race, gender, sexuality and income devours itself, look no further than the dumpster fire that was last night's debate. They might as well have set up a guillotine on stage. As a conservative, it's amazingly entertaining (with appropriate use of mute button for Liz).

This is the first time I really watched/listened to Bernie Sanders for a prolonged period - not just little clips. He is a living, breathing (I assume) cartoon character. Much more so than Donald Trump (and that's hard to believe). There is absolutely no way America elects this communist muppet to be president. If the Don is still looking for a cute nickname, may I suggest The Commie Muppet. This is the contest conservatives and America should relish, The Don v. The Bern. Dems, are you realy so batshit crazy that you're going to nominate a socialist... in this economy? I think you are! :lol:

My goodness, how was Mini Mike so utterly unprepared for all those attacks?

welcome back friend!

while you are here could i get your analysis

https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2020, 11:46:17 AM
I have heard many hill - klo voice comparisons, but this is my first time seeing hill - Liz.

I actually like listening to klo, neutral on Liz, and thumbs down on hill. It's not a very important characteristic to me though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 20, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
I have heard many hill - klo voice comparisons, but this is my first time seeing hill - Liz.

I actually like listening to klo, neutral on Liz, and thumbs down on hill. It's not a very important characteristic to me though.

Opposite. Klo is very cringy and annoying to me. Liz is a good, passionate speaker imo. No opinion on Hillary’s oration.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
The only thing that I remember about Hillary’s speaking is how much she used the stupid line that they used to call Obamacare “Hillarycare”.

That and she had a laugh kinda like Dracula.

The Klo car horn comparison is hilarious and now I can’t unhear it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
Liz has a great accent that is super close to southern Kansans. It's very endearing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 12:10:59 PM
https://www.teens4pete.com/
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 12:16:48 PM
Not ted Cruz for human President good but decent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
heh (this is beto's campaign manager's husband).

https://twitter.com/mpdillon/status/1230338251212427264
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
rough ridin' Wisconsin.

https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/1230538856489013249
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 20, 2020, 12:40:21 PM
But in any event, why is phoniness being implied as a negative trait?

Could you defend and agree with a phony character.
Yes. I don't care. It's all theater. My decision has nothing to do with perceived phoniness. They're all phony. I just think he's the guy.

Why???
Because (a) I dont think the President does very much, except (b) is occasionally called upon to make important decisions at 3 A.M., and (c) I think he's the brightest of the bunch.
That's a pretty dim view of what the President does.
Change my mind

Do you also think the cabinet and appointees don't do anything?
Not at all! That's another reason I'm Pro Pete. I believe he will surround himself with smart, accountable peteple.

Yeah but why can't the smart, accountable people run for office?  I'm guessing they don't want to, but it sucks that you have to hope the turd on a stick you voted for will surround himself with way better people.

EDIT:  OR HERSELF …  calm down MIR

This is the second time you've posted this take that there haven't been good presidential candidates. I'm not sure what constitutes good in your eyes but between the 2016 and 2020 elections there have been 52 presidential candidates. If you can't find someone you feel closely aligns your values in a field of 52 people, the issue may be what you identify what you value and not the people actually running for president.

I really can't imagine the issue is with me, but I'll at least take some time and consider it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 01:31:56 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
Biden is only aligned closer to the class warfare King and Queen by necessity, not by historical precedent.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

OK sys
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 01:40:54 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

MAGAs do this same thing. Every Pub that isn't in lockstep with the far right MAGAs are no different than dems. I think it becomes hard to differentiate what's going on when you are way out on the edge in either direction.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

Because kRusty is fringier than kk and mir
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 01:42:45 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

MAGAs do this same thing. Every Pub that isn't in lockstep with the far right MAGAs are no different than dems. I think it becomes hard to differentiate what's going on when you are way out on the edge in either direction.

To be fair to the MAGAs, there are no pubs who are not in lockstep with far right MAGAs anymore. They have all quit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

MAGAs do this same thing. Every Pub that isn't in lockstep with the far right MAGAs are no different than dems. I think it becomes hard to differentiate what's going on when you are way out on the edge in either direction.

yes it is very difficult to differentiate between something like Medicare for All and a complete repeal of Obamacare or something like walking away from the Paris climate agreement and supporting the Green New Deal. I can see how that is confusing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

OK sys

ok I misread this and see how my post got misunderstood when you strip the original context. Of course the centrists are closer to Sanders and Warren than they are to Trump (on most issues). But they're also closer to Trump than Warren and Sanders are. Moderates want the needle pushed away from the sanders fringe and closer to the trump fringe than it would be if, say, Warren were elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
the moderates on this blog want candidates that align more closely to folks like K-S-U than Kat Kid and MiR.

i haven't actually paid enough attention to bloomberg to know where he falls on policy (although i assume, pretty standard dem stuff), but if you think klobsie, buttigieg or biden is more aligned with trump than with sanders or warren, you're completely delusional.

OK sys

ok I misread this and see how my post got misunderstood when you strip the original context. Of course the centrists are closer to Sanders and Warren than they are to Trump (on most issues). But they're also closer to Trump than Warren and Sanders are. Moderates want the needle pushed away from the warren and sanders fringe and closer to the trump fringe.

So your original statement was that folks who are not as far left as Sanders and Warren are closer to the right than Sanders/Warren?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
That is like saying that Warren and Sanders want the needle pushed away from some fringe that is even left of them and toward the Trump fringe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 02:00:47 PM
Moderates want the needle pushed away from the sanders fringe and closer to the trump fringe than it would be if, say, Warren were elected.

your statement intent then was that board moderates prefer to be more aligned with trump than do katkid and mir?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 02:03:32 PM
I'm going to get stoned and reread the last few posts to see if it clicks...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 02:06:00 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483751-former-skeptics-now-warning-of-brokered-convention-nightmare-for-democrats
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 02:12:08 PM
https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1230544629789007872
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
It won't lead to a war of fake videos.  It's a bad idea that any leading candidate is not going to try to replicate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 02:34:57 PM
someone should make a graph of the political spectrum plotting various gE posters/presidential candidates/etc
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 02:47:28 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 02:52:04 PM
someone should make a graph of the political spectrum plotting various gE posters/presidential candidates/etc

far left        near left         moderate      near right        far right       MAGAs
kk, krusty, mir    chum1 sys  sd                        33                          dax    misc ks chuds
bernie      liz                       obama        pete     bloomberg           trump           
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 02:53:51 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.

I don't think I've changed that much. I didn't like Trump in 2015 and I don't like him now. The only difference is that in 2015 I didn't think he could win and even if he did, I didn't think he would advance conservative causes. He proved me wrong. But I still think he's an idiot mcjerkface. I'm just pragmatic enough to support him despite my personal qualms. (And to be fair, I do enjoy the liberal hysteria). I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty representative of a great many "MAGAs." But of course there's a difference between a bandwagon MAGA such as myself and the true, fullblown NASCAR MAGAs that got in on the groundfloor. I don't own a MAGA hat but am considering buying one for the troll factor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
My Chart:

Full Fledged Commies     Fake Centrists/Closeted Socialists   Pragmatists


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 03:01:31 PM
My Chart:

Full Fledged Commies     Fake Centrists/Closeted Socialists   Pragmatists




lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 03:04:48 PM
I've started the pragmatist section for you guys:

(Super Intelligent) Pragmatist

Dax

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
So my journey has taken me to where I should have been in the first place. Warren's support of Ilhan Omar, her unapologetic progressive agenda, and her well stated plan on paying for student loan forgiveness, I'm team Liz and I ain't leaving. I'll probably support the Democratic candidate no matter what unless it's Biden. Trump is winning Iowa in the general anyway, so who cares if I vote green or independent?

First...
https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/fbi-reviewing-claims-ilhan-omar-married-her-brother/ (https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/fbi-reviewing-claims-ilhan-omar-married-her-brother/)

And now...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013283/Ilhan-Omar-DID-marry-brother-reveals-Somali-community-leader.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013283/Ilhan-Omar-DID-marry-brother-reveals-Somali-community-leader.html)

I think "the walls are closing in" on Ilhan.... Seems like exactly the sort of fraudster that would appeal to Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 03:15:55 PM
Holy crap.  :lol:

(https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-20-at-12.07.36-PM.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 03:20:27 PM
Lol. Is that real?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
Yup.

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1230573658768379910
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 20, 2020, 03:34:09 PM
My Chart:

Full Fledged Commies     Fake Centrists/Closeted Socialists   Pragmatists




:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.

I don't think I've changed that much. I didn't like Trump in 2015 and I don't like him now. The only difference is that in 2015 I didn't think he could win and even if he did, I didn't think he would advance conservative causes. He proved me wrong. But I still think he's an idiot mcjerkface. I'm just pragmatic enough to support him despite my personal qualms. (And to be fair, I do enjoy the liberal hysteria). I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty representative of a great many "MAGAs." But of course there's a difference between a bandwagon MAGA such as myself and the true, fullblown NASCAR MAGAs that got in on the groundfloor. I don't own a MAGA hat but am considering buying one for the troll factor.

I don't think you would have supported a $1 trillion+ deficit before Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 20, 2020, 03:38:14 PM
My Chart:

Full Fledged Commies     Fake Centrists/Closeted Socialists   Pragmatists




:lol:

Reminds me of this but in reverse.

(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Seattle-politics-ONLINE-COLOR-768x516.jpg)

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-political-spectrum-seattle-style/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 03:41:26 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.

I don't think I've changed that much. I didn't like Trump in 2015 and I don't like him now. The only difference is that in 2015 I didn't think he could win and even if he did, I didn't think he would advance conservative causes. He proved me wrong. But I still think he's an idiot mcjerkface. I'm just pragmatic enough to support him despite my personal qualms. (And to be fair, I do enjoy the liberal hysteria). I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty representative of a great many "MAGAs." But of course there's a difference between a bandwagon MAGA such as myself and the true, fullblown NASCAR MAGAs that got in on the groundfloor. I don't own a MAGA hat but am considering buying one for the troll factor.

I don't think you would have supported a $1 trillion+ deficit before Trump.

I still don't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 20, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.

I don't think I've changed that much. I didn't like Trump in 2015 and I don't like him now. The only difference is that in 2015 I didn't think he could win and even if he did, I didn't think he would advance conservative causes. He proved me wrong. But I still think he's an idiot mcjerkface. I'm just pragmatic enough to support him despite my personal qualms. (And to be fair, I do enjoy the liberal hysteria). I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty representative of a great many "MAGAs." But of course there's a difference between a bandwagon MAGA such as myself and the true, fullblown NASCAR MAGAs that got in on the groundfloor. I don't own a MAGA hat but am considering buying one for the troll factor.

I don't think you would have supported a $1 trillion+ deficit before Trump.

This X1000
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
https://twitter.com/BustinTrudeau/status/1230332826362564613
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
Love those
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 04:22:53 PM
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230605208964616192

none of them are ever going to drop out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 04:24:08 PM
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230616352915779584

 :surprised:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 04:31:59 PM
i can't ever see myself donating to a political campaign
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 04:33:05 PM
i can't ever see myself donating to a political campaign
Same.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 04:33:46 PM
i can't ever see myself donating to a political campaign

Yeah. The most involved I have ever been outside of voting is allowing somebody I personally know running for local office to put one of his signs in my yard.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2020, 04:38:08 PM
yeah, if a friend runs for something local, i would let them have at my yard.  maybe they guilt me into giving them some money and i give in to get them off my back, but think i might unfriend them irl before it came to that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 20, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
I don't think i'm going to vote anymore until I really like a candidate. I've really tried hard the last 6 months to remove myself from all things politics and I've felt great these days. Obviously, it's hard to do, but it's improved my way of life for sure.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on February 20, 2020, 04:47:00 PM
I wonder what happens to all that campaign money when a candidate quits before going broke.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 04:50:36 PM
I wonder what happens to all that campaign money when a candidate quits before going broke.
Does it dry up.
 Like a raisin in the sun?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 04:51:02 PM
I doubt I ever really like a candidate at any point the rest of my life. I’ll almost certainly be voting against the person I dislike the most.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 04:59:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ZachMontellaro/status/1230562248201887744

i know this (the scale, not the exact number) isn't new information, but just seeing his numbers next to everyone else's is just striking.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 20, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
I wonder what happens to all that campaign money when a candidate quits before going broke.

there are some expenses that have to (or can be) paid after a campaign is suspended - especially refunds and salaries.  beyond that, the candidate can donate the money to a political group or a charity, just keep it sitting there or transfer it to another campaign (not someone else's, some future campaign of their own).
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 07:11:44 PM
My Chart:

Full Fledged Commies     Fake Centrists/Closeted Socialists   Pragmatists




:lol:

Reminds me of this but in reverse.

(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Seattle-politics-ONLINE-COLOR-768x516.jpg)

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-political-spectrum-seattle-style/

Yep


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 20, 2020, 07:56:53 PM
So no joke, the city council guy in that cartoon looks exactly like the actual Seattle city council guy in this video. Also, enjoy the first class kookery (especially the song at about 10mins, but it’s all amazing).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zArnF7Hc3ys[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2020, 08:24:52 PM
So no joke, the city council guy in that cartoon looks exactly like the actual Seattle city council guy in this video. Also, enjoy the first class kookery (especially the song at about 10mins, but it’s all amazing).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zArnF7Hc3ys[/youtube]
Lmao, that's legit amazing and everyone should watch starting at 10 mins.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 20, 2020, 08:36:22 PM
https://twitter.com/articulate_indy/status/1230331860716154880
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
Fun to imagine how Bernie people would react if Bernie had a plurality of delegates and then didn't get the nomination.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1230658528366321664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 09:10:46 PM
Fun to imagine how Bernie people would react if Bernie had a plurality of delegates and then didn't get the nomination.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1230658528366321664
Iowa was bad enough
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 20, 2020, 09:55:43 PM
So no joke, the city council guy in that cartoon looks exactly like the actual Seattle city council guy in this video. Also, enjoy the first class kookery (especially the song at about 10mins, but it’s all amazing).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zArnF7Hc3ys[/youtube]
Lmao, that's legit amazing and everyone should watch starting at 10 mins.

My favorite part is how the councilmen talk like kindergarten teachers to the people stepping to the podium.   :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2020, 10:01:00 PM
The left certainly has adorable loons, and what a fantastic song!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
The left certainly has adorable loons, and what a fantastic song!
It was a delight
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 10:58:38 PM
"I loved the song Suzanne.  I am going to have to give you a second warning because of the group participation, but very well done."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Tobias on February 21, 2020, 12:53:36 AM
watched on Sprac's recommendo, and man that didn't disappoint
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on February 21, 2020, 08:34:09 AM
I'm guessing the guy with the Seahawks t-shirt just picked that up at a thrift store, and doesn't actually attend games at a massive hole in the sky, err, stadium and parking lot complex.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2020, 09:01:37 AM
One thing that has been difficult about this election is talking about Bernie with my mom who thinks I hate her now because she (like Bernie) is a retiree with over $1 million in assets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 114Hickory on February 21, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
So no joke, the city council guy in that cartoon looks exactly like the actual Seattle city council guy in this video. Also, enjoy the first class kookery (especially the song at about 10mins, but it’s all amazing).

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zArnF7Hc3ys[/youtube]


Cross-post with "songs in your heavy rotation."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 10:10:48 AM
Would the average board moderate have more in common politically with KSUW than with KK or MIR? I mean, yeah, it seems so.

With 2015 KSUW? Sure. Not with 2020 KSUW.

I don't think I've changed that much. I didn't like Trump in 2015 and I don't like him now. The only difference is that in 2015 I didn't think he could win and even if he did, I didn't think he would advance conservative causes. He proved me wrong. But I still think he's an idiot mcjerkface. I'm just pragmatic enough to support him despite my personal qualms. (And to be fair, I do enjoy the liberal hysteria). I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty representative of a great many "MAGAs." But of course there's a difference between a bandwagon MAGA such as myself and the true, fullblown NASCAR MAGAs that got in on the groundfloor. I don't own a MAGA hat but am considering buying one for the troll factor.

There's absolutely no difference, in fact most MAGAs are white trolls with no stake in the harmful rhetoric and policy and also can't muster the empathy for those who are.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 21, 2020, 10:15:19 AM
Exactly why I walk away from MAGA talk these days at family get togethers's. You can't change your 80 year old grandparents, but I also can't hear them speak their ignorance either. My grandma called me a someone who makes me uncomfortable for something simple about a month ago. I just can't...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 10:22:18 AM
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230605208964616192

none of them are ever going to drop out.

I was wrong to say that she should drop out, it was a reactionary, selfish, and illogical thought. I still don't think she's going to win, I think she will stay in third the entire way. She'll do much better when the liberal states get involved in this thing. She plays much better to liberal soccer moms than Bernie or Klo. If Bloomberg can force Buttigieg and or Klo out, it will benefit Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Cross-post with "songs in your heavy rotation."

It's catchy AF. I still find myself humming "somebody's makin' mo-neyyyy!"

And yes, the city council dude really steals the show in an understated way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 21, 2020, 10:26:05 AM
With how poorly he did at the debate I’m wondering if Bloomberg is making his run in lieu of donating to the Sanders or Warren campaigns.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 11:37:57 AM
Why would you think that? Unless I'm misreading what you're saying you think he's just going to throw away half a billion to a billion dollars?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 21, 2020, 11:44:58 AM
I don’t actually think that, but it’s not insane either. It’s not throwing money away if Bloomberg actually wants Warren or Sanders elected. It would be like making a campaign contribution but avoiding the cap.

Even if he threw away $1 billion, Bloomberg would still have more money than he knew what to do with.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 21, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
His ads are also mostly just anti-Trump so the message works regardless.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 21, 2020, 11:52:12 AM
He doesn't attack Democratic candidates in the ads. Only Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
The other Dems are running out of money, all they'll have left is to continue to attack Bloomberg.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
Bloomberg's strategy is interesting because I'm working off the assumption that he's not blowing a billion dollars without a good reason, but I can't really figure out his path. He's running for the nomination of a party that detests people like him. I guess maybe he's setting up an indepedent run, or maybe he's just trying to cut the legs out from under Sanders and Warren, or maybe both. I'd definitely favor an independent run because he's not going to meaningfully siphon Trump's votes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 21, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
https://twitter.com/eyokley/status/1230939067010953217
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 21, 2020, 02:11:36 PM
Bloomberg's strategy is interesting because I'm working off the assumption that he's not blowing a billion dollars without a good reason, but I can't really figure out his path. He's running for the nomination of a party that detests people like him. I guess maybe he's setting up an indepedent run, or maybe he's just trying to cut the legs out from under Sanders and Warren, or maybe both. I'd definitely favor an independent run because he's not going to meaningfully siphon Trump's votes.

Yeah, I get the sense that he just doesn't want Sanders or Warren, but then so far none of his ads mention them. They all go after Trump. That might change after that last debate, though. I think Liz pissed him off.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2020, 02:27:00 PM
Bloomberg's strategy is interesting because I'm working off the assumption that he's not blowing a billion dollars without a good reason, but I can't really figure out his path. He's running for the nomination of a party that detests people like him. I guess maybe he's setting up an indepedent run, or maybe he's just trying to cut the legs out from under Sanders and Warren, or maybe both. I'd definitely favor an independent run because he's not going to meaningfully siphon Trump's votes.

I don't discount the 3rd party path, but he isn't going to suddenly turn in to Ross Perot, he's incredibly unlikable so he isn't a threat to anyone even if he does drop $1 billion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 02:45:38 PM
https://twitter.com/pisschalice/status/1230923444256231425
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Chinchillazllla/status/1230942767221739520
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 02:50:05 PM
that seattle tree song was really good.  i didn't expect such a strong rendition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2020, 02:54:03 PM
There could definitely be a thread of things that happen at those council meetings.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 21, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
I started watching another council meeting video and quit before I got too far down the rabbit hole.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2020, 03:04:03 PM
There's a wild one from a few weeks ago where chaos erupted as the council was debating their official position on things happening in India.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
I'm  stunned (not really) that Principal Leonid Joseph Nikita McVicker's minions are acting the way they are . . . SMDH

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
He doesn't attack Democratic candidates in the ads. Only Trump.

He reportedly has a new ad going after Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 03:40:06 PM
The other Dems are running out of money, all they'll have left is to continue to attack Bloomberg.

We know you don't read anything outside of right wing blogs, but this was proven false on literally the previous page. Spend more time reading and less time crafting your corny ass posts with incredibly wack nicknames.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
The other Dems are running out of money, all they'll have left is to continue to attack Bloomberg.

We know you don't read anything outside of right wing blogs, but this was proven false on literally the previous page. Spend more time reading and less time crafting your corny ass posts with incredibly wack nicknames.

I don’t know if this is accurate, but I don’t think Politico is a right wing blog.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 03:48:22 PM
https://twitter.com/eyokley/status/1230939067010953217

He's a horrible debater so I really have no idea how he's going to stem this. His bad is different than Trump's bad or Biden's bad. Those two aren't intellectual enough to win a debate, but the other two at least has charisma to land some one liners and get people excited, Bloomberg doesn't even have that. He's going to continue to be a pinata. What's even worse for him is that the other Dems can hit him with their Trump material.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 03:56:06 PM
The other Dems are running out of money, all they'll have left is to continue to attack Bloomberg.

We know you don't read anything outside of right wing blogs, but this was proven false on literally the previous page. Spend more time reading and less time crafting your corny ass posts with incredibly wack nicknames.

I don’t know if this is accurate, but I don’t think Politico is a right wing blog.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558)

Dax didn't read that article, hopefully he does now that you posted it.

I wouldn't think it's unusual for candidates to have significantly less money at the end of February than they would at any other point. They raise that early money to spend to win the early states. I have no concerns about the top threes ability to raise money. Bernie and Liz have literally millions of donors. Pete will get money from Super Pacs and all the moderate money he wants. I don't think Joe and Klo will be able to summon enough money to keep up with the other three.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 04:01:19 PM
The other Dems are running out of money, all they'll have left is to continue to attack Bloomberg.

We know you don't read anything outside of right wing blogs, but this was proven false on literally the previous page. Spend more time reading and less time crafting your corny ass posts with incredibly wack nicknames.

I don’t know if this is accurate, but I don’t think Politico is a right wing blog.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/fec-bernie-2020-funding-116558)

Dax didn't read that article, hopefully he does now that you posted it.

I wouldn't think it's unusual for candidates to have significantly less money at the end of February than they would at any other point. They raise that early money to spend to win the early states. I have no concerns about the top threes ability to raise money. Bernie and Liz have literally millions of donors. Pete will get money from Super Pacs and all the moderate money he wants. I don't think Joe and Klo will be able to summon enough money to keep up with the other three.

So again, I’m not an expert on campaign finance or political campaigns, but taking out loans usually isn’t a very encouraging sign, right?

 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-fundraising/democrat-warren-worried-campaign-will-run-out-of-cash-taps-3-million-loan-idUSKBN20F0LZ (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-fundraising/democrat-warren-worried-campaign-will-run-out-of-cash-taps-3-million-loan-idUSKBN20F0LZ)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1230678010032009217

klobuchar is now outraising buttigieg.


oh, and yeah, other than sanders, they're all on a razor's edge of going broke (with the understanding that they have some ability to cut expenses to meet funding levels).  there isn't enough donor money to fund five candidates at the level campaigns typically spend at this point in the cycle.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:05:18 PM
https://twitter.com/pisschalice/status/1230923444256231425

Story time. I spent the last two weeks in San Diego. When I took my car back to the rental center, the shuttle driver and I had a talk going back to the terminal. Side note, that rental car center feels like it's about 5 miles from the airport, anyway. We got on the topic of the Iowa Caucuses because the driver asked me where I am from. Then we talked about politics, I normally don't talk politics with strangers but us black folks often go to barbershop talk when y'all aren't around. We mentioned several candidates, I told him I'm a Warren supporter, he's a Biden guy. I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."  :horrorsurprise: Black folks being openly homophobic isn't a surprise to me, it was a surprise that we got there in 10 minutes. Luckily we got to my stop about 10 seconds later.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
So again, I’m not an expert on campaign finance or political campaigns, but taking out loans usually isn’t a very encouraging sign, right?

that debate saved her ass.  for now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1230678010032009217

klobuchar is now outraising buttigieg.


oh, and yeah, other than sanders, they're all on a razor's edge of going broke (with the understanding that they have some ability to cut expenses to meet funding levels).  there isn't enough donor money to fund five candidates at the level campaigns typically spend at this point in the cycle.

I agree with all of this. As pointed out Klo had a huge bump after that New Hampshire debate, but as previously discussed, I'm certain that's going to be her high water point. She's going to get dogwalked in the next two states. Super Tuesday is also looking ugly for her, she'll only be competitive in Minnesota. Pete is pretty clearly the moderate choice.

Dub, that article didn't disprove anything I said. Taking loans out also isn't unusual, especially in a large field. Trump did the same in 2016, $45 million worth.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2020, 04:16:30 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:17:15 PM
Ted Cruz got fined for not disclosing loans he took out during a damn senate race.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
I'm certain that's going to be her high water point. She's going to get dogwalked in the next two states. Super Tuesday is also looking ugly for her, she'll only be competitive in Minnesota.

hopefully.  there are too many candidates still running.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 04:19:36 PM
Does "clap his rat cheeks" and "doing mommy crap in the middle of the night" mean sex stuff? I don't think Pete has kids. I don't really want or need details - just a yes or no will suffice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 04:20:27 PM
that buttigieg february number is pretty shocking, though, considering he won* the iowa caucuses and was a strong second in nh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2020, 04:21:31 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies

I liked the specificity.  "mommy crap, OK.  Even at nighttime, still OK.  But if there's a missile crisis at night?  NOPE!"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies

I liked the specificity.  "mommy crap, OK.  Even at nighttime, still OK.  But if there's a missile crisis at night?  NOPE!"

I wonder how many times Trump has been in the middle of one of his famous 6 flushers when he was called upon.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:25:08 PM
I'm certain that's going to be her high water point. She's going to get dogwalked in the next two states. Super Tuesday is also looking ugly for her, she'll only be competitive in Minnesota.

hopefully.  there are too many candidates still running.

Agreed but no one is going away before Super Tuesday. In 2016 there were 5 Republicans left for Super Tuesday.

that buttigieg february number is pretty shocking, though, considering he won* the iowa caucuses and was a strong second in nh.

That would yield results in the yet to be verified February dollars.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 21, 2020, 04:25:57 PM
Does "clap his rat cheeks" and "doing mommy crap in the middle of the night" mean sex stuff? I don't think Pete has kids. I don't really want or need details - just a yes or no will suffice.

yes
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 04:27:21 PM
the rat part is independent from the sex part as a point of further clarification
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 04:32:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1230982783771848704
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 04:32:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1230982783771848704

Fantastic
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 21, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 04:34:36 PM
That would yield results in the yet to be verified February dollars.

they aren't going to lie though, they'd be caught in less than a month when the feb fec data is released.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2020, 04:38:29 PM
Hopefully Bernie doesn't accept the assistance and have multiple campaign members try to coordinate increased assistance
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2020, 04:38:54 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies

I liked the specificity.  "mommy crap, OK.  Even at nighttime, still OK.  But if there's a missile crisis at night?  NOPE!"

I wonder how many times Trump has been in the middle of one of his famous 6 flushers when he was called upon.

It's all butt stuff at the end of the day.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

Ok, so I take it then that you think this is genuine. Even though both briefings have been immediately leaked to the press. Hey maybe its true - but after all the dirty tricks we've seen the past few years shouldn't we be a little skeptical?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 21, 2020, 04:41:49 PM
So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

Ok, so I take it then that you think this is genuine. Even though both briefings have been immediately leaked to the press. Hey maybe its true - but after all the dirty tricks we've seen the past few years shouldn't we be a little skeptical?

What dirty tricks are you talking about?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
Serious question: why does the black community disproportionately hate the gays?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
they don't.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
they don't.
Maybe you're correct. Next question: why did I think that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
because the buttigieg campaign, assisted by some in the media, has tried to use that as an excuse for his poor polling with black voters?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 21, 2020, 06:22:41 PM
you may also think black dems in particular are more religious than white dems

(https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/04/23153851/04.25.18_beliefingod-00-10.png)

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/23/religiously-nonwhite-democrats-are-more-similar-to-republicans-than-to-white-democrats/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 06:35:34 PM
because the buttigieg campaign, assisted by some in the media, has tried to use that as an excuse for his poor polling with black voters?

 :dunno: I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

Quote
Roughly six in ten white (59%), Hispanic (60%), and mixed-race Americans (59%) and close to seven in ten (69%) Asian-Pacific Islander (API) Americans favor same-sex marriage. Black Americans are more divided with fewer than half (48%) expressing support for allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, while 41% are opposed. However, this represents a five-point increase in support for same-sex marriage, compared to 43% in 2015.

https://www.prri.org/research/americans-views-discrimination-immigrants-blacks-lgbt-sex-marriage-immigration-reform/

And apparently Obama has referenced it, too:

Quote
“If we are honest with ourselves, we’ll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King’s vision of a beloved community,” Obama told 2,000 worshippers Sunday at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, where King once preached.

“We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/obama-allies-dont-always-align-on-issues-008061

This was not a loaded question. Assuming this is actually a real thing, I'm just curious as to "why", because studies also show that African Americans are the most likely group to view the LGBTQ+ community as facing prejudice. See the PRRI study linked above.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 21, 2020, 07:04:30 PM
I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 07:09:09 PM
Interesting. Thanks for your response. I will mull it over.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 08:47:15 PM
There are certainly not more black evangelical homophobes than white, but a larger percentage of my people are than white people. Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.
I'm confused about whether you believe this is a Team Pete smokescreen (1st post), or whether it's attributable to the factors identified in your 2nd post, or both, or neither, or some combination?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 08:59:25 PM
I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.
So, the Buttigieg team, in fact, did not invent this, but rather it is attributable to the factors you identified in this post? Ok, sys.

Correct. I'm assuming when he said "they don't" he thought you were actually saying "why are there more black homophobes than white ones?" :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 08:59:36 PM
Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.

this is going to shock the living crap out of you (not really) but almost all of the predominantly pasty ass white churches hate the crap out of homosexuals as well (your already mentioned Methodists and ELCA being a couple of the notable exceptions).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 21, 2020, 09:01:57 PM
So, seems like it's a religiosity issue that is also correlated with age?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2020, 09:03:48 PM
So, seems like it's a religiosity issue that is also correlated with age?

I don't know about that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 21, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.

this is going to shock the living crap out of you (not really) but almost all of the predominantly pasty ass white churches hate the crap out of homosexuals as well (your already mentioned Methodists and ELCA being a couple of the notable exceptions).

But they can’t just come out and SAY that
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2020, 09:42:24 PM
Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.

this is going to shock the living crap out of you (not really) but almost all of the predominantly pasty ass white churches hate the crap out of homosexuals as well (your already mentioned Methodists and ELCA being a couple of the notable exceptions).

But they can’t just come out and SAY that

mostly they say they love gays but unfortunately the gays will burn in eternal hellfire because they are evil gays who won't repent for being evil gays.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2020, 04:44:57 AM
I'm confused about whether you believe this is a Team Pete smokescreen (1st post), or whether it's attributable to the factors identified in your 2nd post, or both, or neither, or some combination?

i think the factors i mentioned explain public opinion on the issue.

i think the reason you're thinking about it is because the buttigieg campaign has raised the salience of the issue because it provides an explanation for buttigieg performing poorly in polls of black dem voters that is comforting to white voters considering buttigieg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 22, 2020, 07:32:23 AM
Fun to imagine how Bernie people would react if Bernie had a plurality of delegates and then didn't get the nomination.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1230658528366321664

I hope it happens and won't feel bad at all for any of them.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1231021453270769664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
Maybe Charlie should have gone to college after all. I'm sure he could have learned how progressive tax brackets work.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1231005642413858816
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
I saw a version of that on FB. Amazing that people believe it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2020, 10:26:54 AM
I saw a version of that on FB. Amazing that people believe it.

There are a lot of really huge dumbshits out there. And the venn diagram of dumbshits and people who follow this type of fringe media is a perfect circle.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 22, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
Yes the ol Ben diagram, can you believe these dumbshits?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:02:52 PM
Maybe Charlie should have gone to college after all. I'm sure he could have learned how progressive tax brackets work.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1231005642413858816

What you are referring to is not how progressive tax brackets work.  It has to do with having different marginal tax rates for different brackets.  You could have the same thing with regressive tax brackets.

There are tons of college-educated people out there that have no idea how marginal tax rates work.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 12:09:26 PM
Charlie’s confusion is exactly about progressive tax brackets.

There is also the issue of total effective compensation being higher because health care costs would be zero, but Charlie is just being insincere about that part.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
Charlie’s confusion is exactly about progressive tax brackets.

There is also the issue of total effective compensation being higher because health care costs would be zero, but Charlie is just being insincere about that part.

No, his confusion is not about progressive tax brackets.  He understands that as your income goes up you pay a higher rate.  You could have a progressive tax system where as your income goes up, you pay a higher rate on all of your income.  This would still be a progressive tax system.

What he is missing is that the progressive nature of federal income taxes is only implemented at a marginal rate.  He is missing the concept of marginal tax rates, not the nature of progressive tax brackets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
Idk wtf you’re trying to say but you sound like a crazy person.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Like it’s incredibly simple how tax brackets work in the US. You’re acting like Charlie understands all the possible ways our tax code could be structured and yet has no clue how our incredibly simple system actually works.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:29:53 PM
Idk wtf you’re trying to say but you sound like a crazy person.

It's no problem if you don't understand the difference between what it means for a tax system to be progressive or regressive versus a tax system that has different marginal rates.

For example, a sales tax (especially in Kansas), is considered regressive even though it is implemented at a constant rate.  This is because lower-income households spend a higher percentage of their income.

The term progressive when it comes to taxes only refers to whether or not higher-income groups pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes compared to lower income groups.  One way to implement a progressive tax system is with higher marginal tax rates.  However, for a tax to be progressive, it does have to have higher marginal tax rates.  The higher rates could be global and apply to all income including income that is below the threshold for the higher rate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:31:55 PM
Like it’s incredibly simple how tax brackets work in the US. You’re acting like Charlie understands all the possible ways our tax code could be structured and yet has no clue how our incredibly simple system actually works.

The only thing Charlie is missing is that our progressive tax system is implemented with marginal tax rates.  He understands that as your income goes up, your tax rate goes up.  He does not understand that these rates are implemented in a marginal fashion.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 12:37:32 PM
Can you explain how a tax bracket could exist in a progressive tax system without marginal rates? Cause we’re talking about tax brackets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
Brackets? You talkin' about BRACKETS?!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
Can you explain how a tax bracket could exist in a progressive tax system without marginal rates? Cause we’re talking about tax brackets.

Sure.  I'll give you an example where the rates are global rather than marginal.  If you earn $30,000 or less, you pay a 5% tax rate on all of your income.  If you earn more than $30,000, you pay a 6% rate on all of your income.

So, if your income is $30,000, you would owe $1500 in income taxes.  If your income is $30,001, you would owe $1800.06 in income taxes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Is that an example or is that a tax system that only exists in your and Charlie’s imagination?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on February 22, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
Is that an example or is that a tax system that only exists in your and Charlie’s imagination?

It is an example that answers the question "Can you explain how a tax bracket could exist in a progressive tax system without marginal rates?"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
Can you idiots STFU and let sys and MIR post good posts for me to read ITT
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2020, 12:59:36 PM
And here we see two individuals talking past one another...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 22, 2020, 01:39:10 PM
The biggest problem with Charlie's post is that he applied the rate Bernie proposes for $10m+/yr to the $29,000 level.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
The biggest problem with Charlie's post is that he applied the rate Bernie proposes for $10m+/yr to the $29,000 level.

Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 02:21:56 PM
Can you idiots STFU and let sys and MIR post good posts for me to read ITT

Still on the fence?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 22, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
because the buttigieg campaign, assisted by some in the media, has tried to use that as an excuse for his poor polling with black voters?

He's been right about it all along though, I'm not sure the basis for arguing otherwise. Evangelicals, by and large, aren't voting for a gay candidate. Most African-Americans and African-American democrats, especially in South Carolina, are evangelicals. This is all based on the poll numbers you hold so near and dear. I'm also telling you that homophobia is very prevent among younger African-Americans. Your polls won't tell you that but enough black people have that at some point you'll maybe listen instead of relying on the five black people you know in California.

That being said Pete also has a very clear issue with African-Americans who are not evangelical, who are college educated, and middle and upper class. That's all his doing and his campaign seems hell bent on making it worse every day. All of these candidates need people of color in decision making roles on these staffs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 22, 2020, 03:18:07 PM
Brackets? You talkin' about BRACKETS?!

I would much rather stevedave teach us more about Ben diagrams
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2020, 03:43:09 PM
Bloomberg's strategy is interesting because I'm working off the assumption that he's not blowing a billion dollars without a good reason, but I can't really figure out his path. He's running for the nomination of a party that detests people like him. I guess maybe he's setting up an indepedent run, or maybe he's just trying to cut the legs out from under Sanders and Warren, or maybe both. I'd definitely favor an independent run because he's not going to meaningfully siphon Trump's votes.

Do you really think Dems are against billionaires/millionaires?   :ROFL:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
https://twitter.com/pisschalice/status/1230923444256231425

You know he does look like a Disney firm rat character.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2020, 03:55:17 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
Mild chuckles (thread)

https://twitter.com/NicoleNajafi/status/1231248923706175488?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 22, 2020, 04:45:30 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?
Yeah I think he will run a smarter campaign and increase turnout relative to Hillary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 22, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 05:38:14 PM
It’s crazy to watch how Trump won and think Bernie can’t do the same thing. Both rely on galvanizing their bases and getting their supporters to turn out. Moderates turned off by Bernie aren’t gonna vote Trump. They will either vote 3rd party or stay home.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
can = yes, will = who knows.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 22, 2020, 06:22:08 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1231291959731355648

she's probably (?) not going to get a single delegate in nevada.  can't wait to see how many millions klobuchar rakes in for finishing 6th.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 22, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
This thing is very over. Bernie is going to win SC and run the score up on Super Tuesday. He's going to win by large margins in large, diverse states. California, Texas, Illinois, and Florida will be bloodbaths. Joe spent all that time pandering to African-American evangelicals, talking to them like they are mindless pets, and he completely forgot about the latinx vote.

Also lol at that old fool acting like the one delegate he's going to win means anything. He's leaving Nevada still in 5th place in the delegate count.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
It’s crazy to watch how Trump won and think Bernie can’t do the same thing. Both rely on galvanizing their bases and getting their supporters to turn out. Moderates turned off by Bernie aren’t gonna vote Trump. They will either vote 3rd party or stay home.

Agreed. Any how does that help Bernie win? Yes, he will turn out ”the base” in greater numbers - if by base you mean Marxist kooks and people who absolutely despise Trump, but he will also lose significant chunks of voters closer to the middle. This is a man who has pledged to abolish private health insurance when most people say they are happy with their healthcare. This is a man who is a self-described socialist in a country where a slim majority - not plurality but majority - say they would never vote for a socialist.

Trump is a buffoon, but he never had the kind of electoral problems Bernie has. He is poison. And again, if you ever watch the way he hunches over the lectern and literally flaps his gums while denouncing capitalism, he looks like an angry muppet. I don’t think the Bernie Bros can see how horrible his optics are.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on February 22, 2020, 07:06:26 PM
This thing is very over. Bernie is going to win SC and run the score up on Super Tuesday. He's going to win by large margins in large, diverse states. California, Texas, Illinois, and Florida will be bloodbaths. Joe spent all that time pandering to African-American evangelicals, talking to them like they are mindless pets, and he completely forgot about the latinx vote.

Also lol at that old fool acting like the one delegate he's going to win means anything. He's leaving Nevada still in 5th place in the delegate count.

Who rounds out his ticket if you had to say right now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2020, 07:08:39 PM
This thing is very over. Bernie is going to win SC and run the score up on Super Tuesday. He's going to win by large margins in large, diverse states. California, Texas, Illinois, and Florida will be bloodbaths. Joe spent all that time pandering to African-American evangelicals, talking to them like they are mindless pets, and he completely forgot about the latinx vote.

Also lol at that old fool acting like the one delegate he's going to win means anything. He's leaving Nevada still in 5th place in the delegate count.

This describes virtually every Dem politician.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 22, 2020, 07:18:01 PM


It’s crazy to watch how Trump won and think Bernie can’t do the same thing. Both rely on galvanizing their bases and getting their supporters to turn out. Moderates turned off by Bernie aren’t gonna vote Trump. They will either vote 3rd party or stay home.

Agreed. Any how does that help Bernie win? Yes, he will turn out ”the base” in greater numbers - if by base you mean Marxist kooks and people who absolutely despise Trump, but he will also lose significant chunks of voters closer to the middle. This is a man who has pledged to abolish private health insurance when most people say they are happy with their healthcare. This is a man who is a self-described socialist in a country where a slim majority - not plurality but majority - say they would never vote for a socialist.

I'm pretty sure steve dave is the only person in America happy with their health insurance
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2020, 07:31:08 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

Yes, this is absolutely the Trump second term unicorn.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2020, 07:31:31 PM


It’s crazy to watch how Trump won and think Bernie can’t do the same thing. Both rely on galvanizing their bases and getting their supporters to turn out. Moderates turned off by Bernie aren’t gonna vote Trump. They will either vote 3rd party or stay home.

Agreed. Any how does that help Bernie win? Yes, he will turn out ”the base” in greater numbers - if by base you mean Marxist kooks and people who absolutely despise Trump, but he will also lose significant chunks of voters closer to the middle. This is a man who has pledged to abolish private health insurance when most people say they are happy with their healthcare. This is a man who is a self-described socialist in a country where a slim majority - not plurality but majority - say they would never vote for a socialist.

I'm pretty sure steve dave is the only person in America happy with their health insurance

It whips ass


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2020, 08:05:07 PM
It got super quiet in here. Everyone must be feeling the Bern.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
Congrats to Vlad Putin.   Just a couple of steps away from putting a Communist in the White House.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2020, 08:23:49 PM
With the whole farm subsidies thing I’m not even sure which one you’re talking about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2020, 08:31:06 PM
Vlad is going to go 2 for 2, awesome


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2020, 09:26:03 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

NO TRIM!  DON'T GO THERE!   :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2020, 09:33:31 PM
I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies

I liked the specificity.  "mommy crap, OK.  Even at nighttime, still OK.  But if there's a missile crisis at night?  NOPE!"

I wonder how many times Trump has been in the middle of one of his famous 6 flushers when he was called upon.

I got to stop sipping on my hot brew when reading this thread; hot liquid rushing thru the nostrils isn't very pleasant, but damn...  :ROFL: 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 22, 2020, 10:09:59 PM


Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

Yes, this is absolutely the Trump second term unicorn.


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Pete is worse than Hillary for lots of reasons. Amy and Joe and Bloomy and Liz might be too. IMO no one's a slam dunk vs Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2020, 10:11:34 PM
Not to pour salt on the wound but... oh who am I kidding here is a Costco-sized super mega value box of Morton’s for you.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582)

Quote
If you are dumb enough to slobber over a socialist then you’re already inclined toward being a hapless mark, so it should be no surprise that you Bernie dorks are about to get screwed over again by the Democratic Party. Here’s how it’s going to go: Because you are stupid – you support a socialist, so you are presumptively stupid – you think that if you work really hard and win the votes the establishment creeps who own the Democratic Party are going to let you have a say. But, like last time, you won’t get a say. You’ll work real hard – maybe if you worked really hard at actual jobs you wouldn’t be half-wit socialists – and you’ll win the votes, and all your dreams will die as you end up with the nomination going to a malignant midget multi-zillionaire.

I don’t know exactly how they are going to do it – more convenient caucus kerfuffles, super-delegates, shenanigans at the convention – but there is no way your masters will ever let you win. Like I said, you’re socialists, and therefore stupid, so you will get cheated and you will end up having to vote for the Verne Troyer of American big-money politics.

And, like the obedient saps you are, you’ll do it.

Now, at this point, you probably have some complaints about this column. By complaining, you can temporarily distract from the indisputable fact that your own foolishness has put you in the position of being crushingly humiliated by the Democratic elite once again. Let me briefly address your whiny protests.

Yes, I say “socialist” like it’s a bad thing. This is because it’s a very bad thing. Like, to the tune of 100 million corpses bad thing. I’ve actually lived in the ruins of socialism and you, well, you had a man-bunned sociology TA tell you it was swell. And you believed him because you are a dupe. Be glad that I am assuming that you are stupid instead of the only other reason one would ever cavort with these blood-stained goblins: that you are evil.

But he’s a “democratic socialist,” you interject, because you are stupid. Would you feel fine with a “democratic Nazi?” Actually, you probably would, since Nazis are just a genre of socialist with white and black added to the color palette.

Then you’ll claim that the Box Boy won’t be the nominee, no, one of the other pouty posse will get it. Maybe Biden will. You totally want to vote for a guy who thinks his chowder-diving, dancer-diddling loser son should totally be getting $83K a month. Man, if you got money like that you could move out of your parents’ place! Or maybe Audie Buttigieg – he seems plausible. No, I’m not laughing! And then there’s Big Chief Sanders Lite. Maybe she could get elected. Really, I’m not laughing. Okay, then Amy Klobuchar – no, I’m not laughing, I’m just scratching my head wondering why she is even still in. Face it. The only viable option besides Vermont Stalin is Scrooge McSuck.

And your next protest will be that Donald Trump is worse than Mini Mike. In fact, you’ll say, Trump is like Hitler combined with…well, Hitler is the only dictator you don’t like, so we’ll just stick with “He’s literally Hitler for real!” Again, you have been suckered. If you were actually raging against the machine rather than aspiring to be a cog in it, you would back him. Now, you may not like it, and you may be too dumb to see it, but Trump is the only disruptor of the establishment in this race. Short Stuff’s gnome-ination is designed to re-establish the establishment. And mark my words: you’ll help him do it.

....

It keeps going. This beautiful screed keeps going for a lot more. But I feel like I should drive some traffic over there to finish it. He’s dead on.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 22, 2020, 10:23:21 PM


Not to pour salt on the wound but... oh who am I kidding here is a Costco-sized super mega value box of Morton’s for you.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582)

Quote
If you are dumb enough to slobber over a socialist then you’re already inclined toward being a hapless mark, so it should be no surprise that you Bernie dorks are about to get screwed over again by the Democratic Party. Here’s how it’s going to go: Because you are stupid – you support a socialist, so you are presumptively stupid – you think that if you work really hard and win the votes the establishment creeps who own the Democratic Party are going to let you have a say. But, like last time, you won’t get a say. You’ll work real hard – maybe if you worked really hard at actual jobs you wouldn’t be half-wit socialists – and you’ll win the votes, and all your dreams will die as you end up with the nomination going to a malignant midget multi-zillionaire.

I don’t know exactly how they are going to do it – more convenient caucus kerfuffles, super-delegates, shenanigans at the convention – but there is no way your masters will ever let you win. Like I said, you’re socialists, and therefore stupid, so you will get cheated and you will end up having to vote for the Verne Troyer of American big-money politics.

And, like the obedient saps you are, you’ll do it.

Now, at this point, you probably have some complaints about this column. By complaining, you can temporarily distract from the indisputable fact that your own foolishness has put you in the position of being crushingly humiliated by the Democratic elite once again. Let me briefly address your whiny protests.

Yes, I say “socialist” like it’s a bad thing. This is because it’s a very bad thing. Like, to the tune of 100 million corpses bad thing. I’ve actually lived in the ruins of socialism and you, well, you had a man-bunned sociology TA tell you it was swell. And you believed him because you are a dupe. Be glad that I am assuming that you are stupid instead of the only other reason one would ever cavort with these blood-stained goblins: that you are evil.

But he’s a “democratic socialist,” you interject, because you are stupid. Would you feel fine with a “democratic Nazi?” Actually, you probably would, since Nazis are just a genre of socialist with white and black added to the color palette.

Then you’ll claim that the Box Boy won’t be the nominee, no, one of the other pouty posse will get it. Maybe Biden will. You totally want to vote for a guy who thinks his chowder-diving, dancer-diddling loser son should totally be getting $83K a month. Man, if you got money like that you could move out of your parents’ place! Or maybe Audie Buttigieg – he seems plausible. No, I’m not laughing! And then there’s Big Chief Sanders Lite. Maybe she could get elected. Really, I’m not laughing. Okay, then Amy Klobuchar – no, I’m not laughing, I’m just scratching my head wondering why she is even still in. Face it. The only viable option besides Vermont Stalin is Scrooge McSuck.

And your next protest will be that Donald Trump is worse than Mini Mike. In fact, you’ll say, Trump is like Hitler combined with…well, Hitler is the only dictator you don’t like, so we’ll just stick with “He’s literally Hitler for real!” Again, you have been suckered. If you were actually raging against the machine rather than aspiring to be a cog in it, you would back him. Now, you may not like it, and you may be too dumb to see it, but Trump is the only disruptor of the establishment in this race. Short Stuff’s gnome-ination is designed to re-establish the establishment. And mark my words: you’ll help him do it.

....

It keeps going. This beautiful screed keeps going for a lot more. But I feel like I should drive some traffic over there to finish it. He’s dead on.

lol K-dub is back in this for real
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 22, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Bernie is going to win.

feels good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2020, 12:28:23 AM
https://twitter.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1231462174717071360?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 02:15:49 AM
This thing is very over. Bernie is going to win SC and run the score up on Super Tuesday. He's going to win by large margins in large, diverse states. California, Texas, Illinois, and Florida will be bloodbaths. Joe spent all that time pandering to African-American evangelicals, talking to them like they are mindless pets, and he completely forgot about the latinx vote.

Also lol at that old fool acting like the one delegate he's going to win means anything. He's leaving Nevada still in 5th place in the delegate count.

Who rounds out his ticket if you had to say right now?

Stacy Abrams
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 02:18:32 AM
This thing is very over. Bernie is going to win SC and run the score up on Super Tuesday. He's going to win by large margins in large, diverse states. California, Texas, Illinois, and Florida will be bloodbaths. Joe spent all that time pandering to African-American evangelicals, talking to them like they are mindless pets, and he completely forgot about the latinx vote.

Also lol at that old fool acting like the one delegate he's going to win means anything. He's leaving Nevada still in 5th place in the delegate count.

This describes virtually every Dem politician.

lol, keep telling yourself that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 02:20:24 AM


Not to pour salt on the wound but... oh who am I kidding here is a Costco-sized super mega value box of Morton’s for you.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/02/20/you-bernie-suckers-are-going-to-get-fooled-again-n2561582)

Quote
If you are dumb enough to slobber over a socialist then you’re already inclined toward being a hapless mark, so it should be no surprise that you Bernie dorks are about to get screwed over again by the Democratic Party. Here’s how it’s going to go: Because you are stupid – you support a socialist, so you are presumptively stupid – you think that if you work really hard and win the votes the establishment creeps who own the Democratic Party are going to let you have a say. But, like last time, you won’t get a say. You’ll work real hard – maybe if you worked really hard at actual jobs you wouldn’t be half-wit socialists – and you’ll win the votes, and all your dreams will die as you end up with the nomination going to a malignant midget multi-zillionaire.

I don’t know exactly how they are going to do it – more convenient caucus kerfuffles, super-delegates, shenanigans at the convention – but there is no way your masters will ever let you win. Like I said, you’re socialists, and therefore stupid, so you will get cheated and you will end up having to vote for the Verne Troyer of American big-money politics.

And, like the obedient saps you are, you’ll do it.

Now, at this point, you probably have some complaints about this column. By complaining, you can temporarily distract from the indisputable fact that your own foolishness has put you in the position of being crushingly humiliated by the Democratic elite once again. Let me briefly address your whiny protests.

Yes, I say “socialist” like it’s a bad thing. This is because it’s a very bad thing. Like, to the tune of 100 million corpses bad thing. I’ve actually lived in the ruins of socialism and you, well, you had a man-bunned sociology TA tell you it was swell. And you believed him because you are a dupe. Be glad that I am assuming that you are stupid instead of the only other reason one would ever cavort with these blood-stained goblins: that you are evil.

But he’s a “democratic socialist,” you interject, because you are stupid. Would you feel fine with a “democratic Nazi?” Actually, you probably would, since Nazis are just a genre of socialist with white and black added to the color palette.

Then you’ll claim that the Box Boy won’t be the nominee, no, one of the other pouty posse will get it. Maybe Biden will. You totally want to vote for a guy who thinks his chowder-diving, dancer-diddling loser son should totally be getting $83K a month. Man, if you got money like that you could move out of your parents’ place! Or maybe Audie Buttigieg – he seems plausible. No, I’m not laughing! And then there’s Big Chief Sanders Lite. Maybe she could get elected. Really, I’m not laughing. Okay, then Amy Klobuchar – no, I’m not laughing, I’m just scratching my head wondering why she is even still in. Face it. The only viable option besides Vermont Stalin is Scrooge McSuck.

And your next protest will be that Donald Trump is worse than Mini Mike. In fact, you’ll say, Trump is like Hitler combined with…well, Hitler is the only dictator you don’t like, so we’ll just stick with “He’s literally Hitler for real!” Again, you have been suckered. If you were actually raging against the machine rather than aspiring to be a cog in it, you would back him. Now, you may not like it, and you may be too dumb to see it, but Trump is the only disruptor of the establishment in this race. Short Stuff’s gnome-ination is designed to re-establish the establishment. And mark my words: you’ll help him do it.

....

It keeps going. This beautiful screed keeps going for a lot more. But I feel like I should drive some traffic over there to finish it. He’s dead on.

lol K-dub is back in this for real

Dude is on full tilt, it didn't take long
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 02:39:47 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 02:44:05 AM
https://twitter.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1231462174717071360?s=19

He showed his whole ass tonight with that temper tantrum disguised as a speech. He with his 2% African-American support, claiming Bernie is leaving democrats behind and can't build a coalition. He can't garner more minority support than Amy rough ridin' Klobuchar, and she supported a damn English official language bill.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2020, 02:55:34 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.
He's a GDI, tho. And a cartoon character. I'll grant you that he appears to be sincere. But I simply cannot envision a President Bernie. Granted, I could not envision a President Trump, and maybe this is the populist pendulum swinging the other way...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 03:13:47 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.
He's a GDI, tho. And a cartoon character. I'll grant you that he appears to be sincere. But I simply cannot envision a President Bernie. Granted, I could not envision a President Trump, and maybe this is the populist pendulum swinging the other way...

He was only an independent because the democratic party spent a majority of our lifetimes squeezing out liberals in favor of do nothing but accept the status quo moderates. The most liberal president since Kennedy didn't support gay marriage and literally did nothing to advance any actual liberal cause. I can think of four things that have actually moved what we think of left since I started following politics in the 80's.

1. The Brady Bill, which was passed and championed by a Republican poster child. Subsequently rolled back and never advanced upon in 16 years of democratic leadership.
2. Legalization of gay marriage. Was not supported by the democratic president, forced by the Supreme Court.
3. Legalization of marijuana. Not supported by the democratic president, done by the states. In fact the democratic president used federal law enforcement to bully law abiding citizens in states that deemed the sell and use legal.
4. Criminal justice reform. Done by Donald Trump, to undo the damage done by one eight year democratic president and completely ignored by another.

There is a reason why the house takeover in '18 prominently featured progressives, the people, not the party, have finally started to be heard. The DNC is still very comfortable being the party of 21st century dixiecrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2020, 03:21:27 AM
So, populism?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 03:26:11 AM
Bernie is going to win.

feels good.

It should. I'm glad his support was strong enough to withstand two other progressives in the race. I'm also glad Liz is going to stick around till Super Tuesday to simply crap on Bloomberg and be another progressive voice. I'll be interested to see if she focuses on Pete as well, as he attempts to paint progressives as extreme.

Anyway, grats!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 03:26:48 AM
So, populism?

What exactly are you referring to as populism?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2020, 03:31:13 AM
So, populism?

What exactly are you referring to as populism?
Bernie is a populist. That's what I'm referring to. You could argue that his populism appeals to the better angels of our nature, but it seems poetic that one populist might be followed by another. (Even though I still can't imagine him being elected)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 03:57:01 AM
So, populism?

What exactly are you referring to as populism?
Bernie is a populist. That's what I'm referring to. You could argue that his populism appeals to the better angels of our nature, but it seems poetic that one populist might be followed by another. (Even though I still can't imagine him being elected)

 :thumbs: although Trump isn't a populist, his beliefs don't reflect that. He was a good salesman that ran against a historically bad, one and still lost the popular vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 04:10:59 AM
So I read this earlier today
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/fox-has-been-more-fair-why-bernies-team-has-had-it-with-msnbc/amp

Then this happened.
https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1231356866325815299

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1231353034447507461

From Bernie's communication director
https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1231351029616316416

Dude on the Biden campaign
https://twitter.com/AndrewBatesNC/status/1231357607362940928

https://twitter.com/ArunChaud/status/1231359106088304640

This dude worked for Hilz and the police
https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1231362777954050049

They have to fire him, they fired Melissa Harris Perry for much less than that.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2020, 07:03:34 AM
You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests

Republicans in general love the crap out of telling Democrats who their leaders should be, what their policies should be, and how they should behave. And maybe they do because Democrats listen to them. Or maybe things like taking major offense at whatever language was recently used by AOC simply serve as a convenient excuse for them not to do the morally right thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2020, 07:40:53 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 07:41:32 AM
bloomberg mocking trump all over the country is not the worst use of his billions of dollars

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERVi66kUcAISNgG?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2020, 07:43:01 AM
https://twitter.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1231462174717071360?s=19

He showed his whole ass tonight with that temper tantrum disguised as a speech. He with his 2% African-American support, claiming Bernie is leaving democrats behind and can't build a coalition. He can't garner more minority support than Amy rough ridin' Klobuchar, and she supported a damn English official language bill.

:sdeek: Why are black people so homophobic?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2020, 07:45:02 AM
bloomberg mocking trump all over the country is not the worst use of his billions of dollars

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERVi66kUcAISNgG?format=png&name=small)

Not the best, either. He should be directing his dollars against Sanders if he actually wants to stop him. I’m not sure he does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 23, 2020, 08:19:06 AM
The worst part about Bernie getting elected is now I’ll have to admit that Vlad Putin not only won the dunk contest in speculator fashion against the previous administration, repeatedly windmilling into their dumb forehead.

He’ll now be windmilling on the current administration with millions of UIN’ers talking about “protecting our democracy” WHILE backing Vlad and Bernie Marx every step of the way. 

SMDH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 09:30:39 AM
Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

Agree with this part. Exact story with the pubs blaming Obama for dropping the mask on the unabashed bigotry and fascism. Both poles need to get their crap together.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2020, 09:33:15 AM
Yes, please do this right away. The current situation sucks.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1231570678844928000
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 23, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
So we currently have a president that has ramped up military spending.

Created a "new branch" of the military.

Unilaterally decided to deploy billions on a largely inneffective wall that either is felled by reciprocating saws or has to be left open months on end in flood plains.

Funneled billions upon billions of subsidies towards the farm sector to cover failed trade policy.


But KSUW has re-emerged from the woodwork to warm us of the perils of "socialist" economic policies...

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Yang seems like a legit good guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2020, 10:08:30 AM
Yes, please do this right away. The current situation sucks.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1231570678844928000

They’ve done the math, and they still have decent chance of denying Bernie the first ballot win he needs - if they stay in. This is all a play for the convention at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 23, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 10:46:21 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

Read better, dummy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
So, populism?

What exactly are you referring to as populism?
Bernie is a populist. That's what I'm referring to. You could argue that his populism appeals to the better angels of our nature, but it seems poetic that one populist might be followed by another. (Even though I still can't imagine him being elected)

 :thumbs: although Trump isn't a populist, his beliefs don't reflect that. He was a good salesman that ran against a historically bad, one and still lost the popular vote.

One pov for populism as a term historically, article basically says Bernie is pretty og populist.

https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2016/february/if-trump-and-sanders-are-both-populists-what-does-populist-mean/

That below and how the term is used in Europe were my understanding prior, not a narrow slice of American politics.

"Populists embraced irrational myths of the past and unreasoned grievances about the present. As a result, he explained, the Populist tradition was unstable, easily shifting from left to right, and thereby "soured" into the intolerance and "cranky pseudo-conservatism" of the 1950s"

Heh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

Agree with this part. Exact story with the pubs blaming Obama for dropping the mask on the unabashed bigotry and fascism. Both poles need to get their crap together.

To be clear, I've only seen conservatives make this claim. It would make zero sense for a liberal to do so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-non-heavy handed parts of the climate policy (basically the Obama adjace parts)
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
Yang seems like a legit good guy.

He's fine but yesterday he kept insisting that Bernie can't get a plurality of delegates, it was central to everything he said yesterday, and for a math guy, that's really incorrect. The most recent historical data proves this wrong. When Nevada eventually releases their official results, Sanders will have more delegates from IA, NH, and NV than Trump did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 10:57:09 AM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
not my job, no. at least anymore than every person's job in the private sector would be. I work for a Swiss company though, so a lot of the proposed bureaucracy would be avoided. but doing business in the USA would get more difficult whether you are a local for foreign entity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2020, 11:29:27 AM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
Why did Iowa get killed as much as they did but Nevada is getting a complete pass? At this point Iowa had made several statements and had a press conference scheduled. Nevada has moved from 50% of the reported vote to just 60% in twelve hours. We're nearing 24 hours out with only 60% reported, no statements from the Nevada Democrats or the DNC about when to expect complete results.

Abolish Caucuses.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2020, 11:51:38 AM
Yes!
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1231622488204959744
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 23, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

So you're a typical mind mumped rube.  You do know Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Workman's Comp., Welfare, and numerous other gov. programs, such as land/crop payments are all socialist programs; you stupid rough ridin' rube.

   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 11:59:01 AM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all

As a moral high road moderate I don’t vote for what would impact me personally (unless that also does the greatest good).


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2020, 12:00:20 PM
I love when Katdaddy lays the leather on here


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 23, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
Resident pubs.

Which of Bern's policy positions do you find to be most worrying?

Educating People or Ensuring access to health care?

Stuff that sucks crap (most of this will be re. regulation of business that will make the market eat crap and make doing business a giant PITA):
- public and large companies requiring their board seats be voted on by employees and requirement to open up shares to purchase by them. Share buyback by companies seen as market manipulation (wtf). requirement to offer workers right of first refusal to buy a company that's for sale.
-requirement to honor existing union contracts of companies being purchased.
-public banking.
-medicare for all with seemingly no real plan for the millions of employees and public/private companies that would be effected.
-rent increase limits
-25% tax on the sale of home within 5 years, really all the proposed bureaucracy and taxation of the property market

stuff that is fine or rules:
-climate policies
-idea of medicare for all if it comes with an actual plan
-free basic college
-drugs (the ones you have to have)
-drugs (the ones you want to have)

So the policies focusing on the micro aspects of regulation are unpalatable enough to you that the macro issues you like carry less weight? I'm assuming these micro issues will have an adverse reaction to your job?

Share buybacks were illegal until 1982. I think the employee ownership thing is ambitious and will need to change but the rest seem like they would have minimal negative impact on the overall economy (other than the potential pain of transition to M4A but that would be temporary). I don't see how any of those would personally impact you negatively at all

As a moral high road moderate I don’t vote for what would impact me personally (unless that also does the greatest good).


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lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 23, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

That's goes along with the rich controlled media?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 23, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Yes!
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1231622488204959744

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 23, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
Resident libderps, do you think Bernie could/will defeat Trump in November?

I think if there's only one person Trump can beat, that person is Bernie.

That's goes along with the rich controlled media?

Fareed Zakaria had someone on this afternoon talking about how excited young people are about Bernie. I think it's reasonable to think that the surge in young voters would counter the people who vote for Trump because Bernie is a big, bad democtractic socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
That's a big reason we're going to be mumped with Bernie. Young people just don't vote. Never have, never will.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 23, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
That's a big reason we're going to be mumped with Bernie. Young people just don't vote. Never have, never will.

The thought was that he could get them to turnout unlike the other candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 23, 2020, 07:28:50 PM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

Yeah man, shame on the democrats for nominating an actual liberal. It isn't the job of that party to make you and you other "moderates" feel better for being a Republican. It took the democrats 60 years to find a liberal to run for president. It happened because your party thought they needed Trump to follow a black centrist. rough ridin' blame yourself and your party for finally waking up the sleepy and complacent liberals.

You rough ridin' republicans are something else, fix your rough ridin' party and stop expecting other's to vote against their own interests because your leaders only give a crap about keeping themselves rich. This is happening because people are tired of not being able to afford health care, want some leadership on kids getting gunned down in classrooms, and don't want racists and Nazis cozied up to be the country's leadership. Your fault that your party let these be liberal stances.

Twenty years ago Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg would be populist conservatives. There is no such thing as a populist conservative anymore, and these people don't have a place in the democratic party, as they shouldn't given they aren't liberals. Take your party back from the evangelicals, and Washington insiders getting money and power from the gun lobby, the private financial sector, and the health care industry.

Amazing meltdown. Yes, it’s the Pubs’ fault that the Dems have finally fully dropped the mask and are about to nominate a Marxist.

So you're a typical mind mumped rube.  You do know Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Workman's Comp., Welfare, and numerous other gov. programs, such as land/crop payments are all socialist programs; you stupid rough ridin' rube.

 :cry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2020, 07:31:31 PM
Truth hurts sadly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 23, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
 :lol: katdave
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 23, 2020, 09:24:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERe92trVAAAzBKh?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 23, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
If u numbnuts nominate Bernie, lol, well...

At least the Iowans that do this whole “I want to be woo’d!” crap actually have votes that matter. Good grief, no one gives a crap who you are going to vote for. We aren’t tuning in for the rose ceremony, just do what you want.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 23, 2020, 09:29:33 PM
the fact that Dax peddles in erotic Vlad Putin fan fic is the least surprising thing I learned today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 23, 2020, 11:20:27 PM
Huge dork Lick is always mad about something..

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 23, 2020, 11:56:07 PM
They’ve done the math, and they still have decent chance of denying Bernie the first ballot win he needs - if they stay in. This is all a play for the convention at this point.

they need to redo the math, in that case.  all of them staying in has the opposite effect; it makes it so sanders can win a majority of delegates with a fairly weak plurality of votes.

not that it is likely to happen that way, but that's the math if they all hang around forever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 08:10:01 AM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article240574801.html


(https://illinoisfamilyaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Sanders_2020.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 24, 2020, 08:12:24 AM
Pete lmao


https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1231388368707182593?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 08:43:55 AM
tears
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
They’ve done the math, and they still have decent chance of denying Bernie the first ballot win he needs - if they stay in. This is all a play for the convention at this point.

they need to redo the math, in that case.  all of them staying in has the opposite effect; it makes it so sanders can win a majority of delegates with a fairly weak plurality of votes.

not that it is likely to happen that way, but that's the math if they all hang around forever.

I was being a bit too glib. They are all calculating that Bernie still has a ceiling of about 25-30% in most remaining states. And that ceiling combined with the proportional manner in which the Dem primaries award delegates, will keep him from a majority even if most of the remaining candidates stay in. I think everyone but Klo, for example, is counting on Klo to drop out soon. Meanwhile, anyone who remains in the race has a shot at a brokered convention. At least I think that’s what they are thinking, and I can’t say it’s completely irrational.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 09:07:41 AM
So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

Ok, so I take it then that you think this is genuine. Even though both briefings have been immediately leaked to the press. Hey maybe its true - but after all the dirty tricks we've seen the past few years shouldn't we be a little skeptical?

So turns out that the Trump briefing may have been “genuine intelligence” (if there is such a thing) - it was just distorted by Adam Schiff’s Committee when leaked to the press (I’m shocked).

 https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html)

Quote
The US intelligence community's top election security official appears to have overstated the intelligence community's formal assessment of Russian interference in the 2020 election, omitting important nuance during a briefing with lawmakers earlier this month, three national security officials told CNN.

The US intelligence community has assessed that Russia is interfering in the 2020 election and has separately assessed that Russia views Trump as a leader they can work with. But the US does not have evidence that Russia's interference this cycle is aimed at reelecting Trump, the officials said.

"The intelligence doesn't say that," one senior national security official told CNN. "A more reasonable interpretation of the intelligence is not that they have a preference, it's a step short of that. It's more that they understand the President is someone they can work with, he's a dealmaker."

Neither the assessment, not the Dems’ distortion of that assessment in leaking to the press, is at all surprising. No word yet on whether the “Russia is helping Sanders” leak is also bullshit. (It probably is.)

But let’s pause a moment to reflect on the delicious irony of the Democrat Party now using their Red Scare tactics, which it has employed against Trump the last four years (and which they used to decry as “McCarthyism”), to stop Bernie Sanders from winning their nomination. :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 09:16:31 AM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
Sanders and Trump are easily the two best case scenarios for Russia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
Sanders and Trump are easily the two best case scenarios for Russia.

Absolutely


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 09:19:06 AM
I have zero doubt that Russia wants Trump/Sanders in the general, and for Trump to win that election. I think that is obvious to any non-dumbass, regardless of how detailed reporting has been so far.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 09:20:03 AM
I don't think you guys paused longed enough.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.

they want whoever can divide the country the most. trump is clearly #1. bernie is clearly #1 of the remaining dems (rip tulsi). I don't think bernie implementing his agenda has anything to do with it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 09:27:02 AM
Putin’s #1 goal is legitimizing his own authority by highlighting discord and deligtimiacy in other world powers. He hit the g-d jackpot with a guy who openly questions his own intelligence community vs. the word of Putin himself.

I think that’s worth 1000x more to Putin than any US policies going into effect.

Sanders would be great for different reasons, but still nowhere near as good as Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 09:34:53 AM
It's amazing how much real estate "what does Russia want" occupies in liberal brains. I want 4 more years of Trump because he's better for my family, my pocketbook, and my country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
Sanders is the only candidate who actually seems serious when he talks about making cuts to defense spending.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
Yeah, dax will prattle on about how a us submarine in the artic makes putin mad and completely miss how awesome trump is for putin with pissing off our allies and sowing chaos in government.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.

they want whoever can divide the country the most. trump is clearly #1. bernie is clearly #1 of the remaining dems (rip tulsi). I don't think bernie implementing his agenda has anything to do with it.

What presidential candidates wouldn't "divide the country the most?" The country is just as divided now as we were when we were being led by a black moderate. Trump was elected because of the divide and it's exactly why the democratic party is smart to go with a leftist. Another moderate does nothing to expand their base which is clearly needed. The division was created by two things; the increased influence of money into the political structure and historically disenfranchised populations getting louder voices in the process.

The last presidential election had the moderate of all moderates as the democratic presidential candidate, lmao at anyone who thinks this election will be anymore divisive than the last one. Yeah man, Biden, Bloomberg, or Buttigieg would definitely bring the country together, lol. Listen to yourself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 09:42:48 AM
It's amazing how much real estate "what does Russia want" occupies in liberal brains. I want 4 more years of Trump because he's better for my family, my pocketbook, and my country.

I think your post 30 minutes ago on this very topic contained more words than all the subsequent posts responding to it combined.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 09:59:24 AM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.

they want whoever can divide the country the most. trump is clearly #1. bernie is clearly #1 of the remaining dems (rip tulsi). I don't think bernie implementing his agenda has anything to do with it.

What presidential candidates wouldn't "divide the country the most?" The country is just as divided now as we were when we were being led by a black moderate. Trump was elected because of the divide and it's exactly why the democratic party is smart to go with a leftist. Another moderate does nothing to expand their base which is clearly needed. The division was created by two things; the increased influence of money into the political structure and historically disenfranchised populations getting louder voices in the process.

The last presidential election had the moderate of all moderates as the democratic presidential candidate, lmao at anyone who thinks this election will be anymore divisive than the last one. Yeah man, Biden, Bloomberg, or Buttigieg would definitely bring the country together, lol. Listen to yourself.

you absolutely kicked the crap out of that poor scarecrow
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 10:00:38 AM
We are going to hear so many Venezuela talking points over then next 8 months.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 10:26:17 AM
Yeah, dax will prattle on about how a us submarine in the artic makes putin mad and completely miss how awesome trump is for putin with pissing off our allies and sowing chaos in government.

Oh you mean the "allies" that pump hundreds of billions of dollars into Vlad Putin's pockets every year?  Those "allies"?   The same "allies" that continue to deploy Huawei in their national cellphone network upgrades?  Those "allies"?    The same allies that the new IDNI has been trying to get to quit buying stuff from Vlad Putin? 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 10:32:50 AM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.

they want whoever can divide the country the most. trump is clearly #1. bernie is clearly #1 of the remaining dems (rip tulsi). I don't think bernie implementing his agenda has anything to do with it.

What presidential candidates wouldn't "divide the country the most?" The country is just as divided now as we were when we were being led by a black moderate. Trump was elected because of the divide and it's exactly why the democratic party is smart to go with a leftist. Another moderate does nothing to expand their base which is clearly needed. The division was created by two things; the increased influence of money into the political structure and historically disenfranchised populations getting louder voices in the process.

The last presidential election had the moderate of all moderates as the democratic presidential candidate, lmao at anyone who thinks this election will be anymore divisive than the last one. Yeah man, Biden, Bloomberg, or Buttigieg would definitely bring the country together, lol. Listen to yourself.

I sympathize with you POV, but I think it’s fair to say that the country is more divided now under Trump than under Obama. But that’s mainly because Trump’s election has driven liberals insane. See my thesis (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1768953#msg1768953) from 2017 on this topic. So being “divided” isn’t necessarily a bad thing if the division is mainly because the folks who hate America are pissed off.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 10:35:50 AM
It's amazing how much real estate "what does Russia want" occupies in liberal brains. I want 4 more years of Trump because he's better for my family, my pocketbook, and my country.

I think your post 30 minutes ago on this very topic contained more words than all the subsequent posts responding to it combined.

I care about the media’s and the Dems’ (but I repeat myself) red scare tactics. Speaking of things that divide our country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
LMAO at the people who hate America being the democrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 10:40:22 AM
When UIN/LibDork Nation starts throwing around "protecting Democracy" while getting in line behind Mega Communist Bernie Sanders who just reminded us all again of his great love for the Soviet system.    That's all we need to know.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
They are all calculating that Bernie still has a ceiling of about 25-30% in most remaining states. And that ceiling combined with the proportional manner in which the Dem primaries award delegates, will keep him from a majority even if most of the remaining candidates stay in. I think everyone but Klo, for example, is counting on Klo to drop out soon. Meanwhile, anyone who remains in the race has a shot at a brokered convention. At least I think that’s what they are thinking, and I can’t say it’s completely irrational.

a.  clearly, sanders does not have a ceiling of 25%, that's stupid.

b.  there are enough votes for proportional delegate awarding to keep maybe three candidates going without someone disproportionately benefiting.  there are not enough to keep six going.  if four or more candidates persist (with a nonnegligible voteshare), sanders is going to win a majority of delegates.

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1231961006068391939
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 11:33:22 AM
Share buybacks were illegal until 1982.

what is the fantasy harm you and sanders believe is caused by stock buybacks?


i can see an argument for taxing buybacks as dividends, but that's about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2020, 11:34:14 AM
Share buybacks were illegal until 1982.

what is the fantasy harm you and sanders believe is caused by stock buybacks?


i can see an argument for taxing buybacks as dividends, but that's about it.

I don't care either way tbh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2020, 11:35:35 AM
Share buybacks were illegal until 1982.

what is the fantasy harm you and sanders believe is caused by stock buybacks?


i can see an argument for taxing buybacks as dividends, but that's about it.

I don't care either way tbh

In general, I don't really care about the wonky bullshit details when it comes to any of Bernie's policies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 11:40:47 AM
ok, good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
Kinda gross but this guy sums up pretty well why Bernie can do well in the general

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1232000325541822464?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 12:02:35 PM
I applaud Bernie for being honest when he admits he has not earthly idea how much all of his free stuff is going to cost.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
I applaud Bernie for being honest when he admits he has not earthly idea how much all of his free stuff is going to cost.
Dax is about to start caring about deficits again!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
I applaud Bernie for being honest when he admits he has not earthly idea how much all of his free stuff is going to cost.
Dax is about to start caring about deficits again!

#onlymoney (born 2009-died 2017)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 24, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
walls, military spending growth, farm subsidies - economicaly feasible


education / healthcare - economically infeasible
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1231669024196612096
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 01:00:13 PM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:23:50 PM
walls, military spending growth, farm subsidies - economicaly feasible


education / healthcare - economically infeasible

The Federal gov't quit spending money on education and healthcare?

Weird, got a link?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:25:16 PM
Kids in cages is okay when we do it (LibDork Nation Leadership)

(insert clip of Biden making excuses about why it was good when his administration put kids in cages)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
I am 100% ok with kids being put into cages for the duration and circumstance they were under the Obama administration.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 01:34:31 PM
And more importantly not as an explicit deterrent to (largely legal) attempts to immigrate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:41:13 PM
Your guy deported millions of people.

Catch and release is still very much alive and well, and of course you always completely avoid the ol paternal separation/geo-relocation issue that was prevalent during the previous administration (while dealing with peak levels that were almost half the peak levels this administration has faced).

Your party sold out to the Open Borders people just for political gain, cus OrangeMan Bad. (insert Obama, Pelosi, Chuckie et. al. on record talking about how people just couldn't cross the border and expect to stay)





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
I am an open borders person, so that sounds good to me, too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
I favor national suicide

We know
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:46:02 PM
Libs never want to talk about how most of Mexico is now a lawless territory controlled by murdering cartels and they never want to talk about making those countries safe and better so people will stay and make it a better place for everyone.

Why?  A self serving political agenda.

SMDH, sad

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 01:46:21 PM
National suicide. Lmaaaaoooooi


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
Let's facilitate 3rd world hell holes, cartels and human traffickers so I can feel better about myself (RUIN/UIN)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2020, 01:52:19 PM
most of Mexico is now a lawless territory controlled by murdering cartels

3rd world hell holes, cartels and human traffickers

Who will dax vote for in November??? It's a total mystery!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
Bloomberg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
most of Mexico is now a lawless territory controlled by murdering cartels

3rd world hell holes, cartels and human traffickers

Who will dax vote for in November??? It's a total mystery!!!

LOL, total tap out and avoidance.  Nothing unusual for Chum1.

Remember when your party was all bad ass on immigration?  All the usual suspects trotting out to the podium to rail on those brown people crossing the border and having the audacity to want to stay?  (While your leader bombed the eff out of brown people across the globe).

No your mad at Trump for basically saying what your leaders said (and is bombing far less brown people across the globe, and would like to pretty much end bombing brown people entirely).

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Socialist Rule!!!! (A thread)


https://twitter.com/mike2020/status/1232004259551621122


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 02:00:49 PM
LOL, total tap out and avoidance.  Nothing unusual for Chum1.

Remember when your party was all bad ass on immigration?  All the usual suspects trotting out to the podium to rail on those brown people crossing the border and having the audacity to want to stay?  (While your leader bombed the eff out of brown people across the globe).

No your mad at Trump for basically saying what your leaders said (and is bombing far less brown people across the globe, and would like to pretty much end bombing brown people entirely).



Yeah, I didn't vote for those guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
Socialist Rule!!!! (A thread)


https://twitter.com/mike2020/status/1232004259551621122


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Do the Russians still have the ol May Day Parade?  If so, will Comrade President Sanders be attending?



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
LOL, total tap out and avoidance.  Nothing unusual for Chum1.

Remember when your party was all bad ass on immigration?  All the usual suspects trotting out to the podium to rail on those brown people crossing the border and having the audacity to want to stay?  (While your leader bombed the eff out of brown people across the globe).

No your mad at Trump for basically saying what your leaders said (and is bombing far less brown people across the globe, and would like to pretty much end bombing brown people entirely).



Yeah, I didn't vote for those guys.

Uh-huh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:08:54 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

Captain Sedition and Comrade Sanders

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 02:10:26 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

Captain Sedition and Comrade Sanders

Figures you loved Bush despite believing he covered up 9/11.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

Captain Sedition and Comrade Sanders

Figures you loved Bush despite believing he covered up 9/11.

Loved?

 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
I favor national suicide

We know

(White) national(ist) suicide
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 24, 2020, 02:25:10 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

Captain Sedition and Comrade Sanders

Figures you loved Bush despite believing he covered up 9/11.

Loved?

 :lol:

lol, rage probably thinks dax loves Trump too just because of his voting and undying support for anything he does
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

Captain Sedition and Comrade Sanders

Figures you loved Bush despite believing he covered up 9/11.

Loved?

 :lol:

lol, rage probably thinks dax loves Trump too just because of his voting and undying support for anything he does

ChiCat is always so dumb, it's sad.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:29:51 PM
I favor national suicide

We know

(White) national(ist) suicide

As long as it's our people bombing, refugee'ing and deporting brown people it's okay (LibDork Nation)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 02:48:10 PM
And to be clear, you think when the libs were doing those things it was staving off national suicide?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 02:52:36 PM
Socialist Rule!!!! (A thread)


https://twitter.com/mike2020/status/1232004259551621122


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Do the Russians still have the ol May Day Parade?  If so, will Comrade President Sanders be attending?

Oh no

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1192837453872283649



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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
 :shy:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Bern won't attend because Vlad isn't commie enough.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2020, 03:03:02 PM
dax is melting down HARD and I am loving it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
I'm surprised he hasn't busted out "press 1 for English" yet
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
In Bernie's America, we will be pressing 2 for English.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 03:11:20 PM
It's been very troubling for RUIN to bring themselves to understand that their party is likely going to nominate a communist sympathizer and enthusiastic supporter of the Soviet method.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2020, 03:22:00 PM
Thank you, dax, for visiting this thread and letting us know that the Democratic nominee is forcing you to vote for Trump again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 03:33:40 PM
Thank you, dax, for visiting this thread and letting us know that the Democratic nominee is forcing you to vote for Trump again.

I said that about Bernie getting the nomination a long time ago Chum, just a shame that you're too busy finding people no one knows on Twitter and then posting their stuff here like it's news.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
Sanders will be the second democrat I've voted for for president (first was Kerry).

I forgot Hillary. I voted for her, too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2020, 03:47:49 PM
Thank you, dax, for visiting this thread and letting us know that the Democratic nominee is forcing you to vote for Trump again.

I said that about Bernie getting the nomination a long time ago Chum, just a shame that you're too busy finding people no one knows on Twitter and then posting their stuff here like it's news.

I remember! Thank you for telling us over and over!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
We all believed you Dax


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 04:15:13 PM
Thank you, dax, for visiting this thread and letting us know that the Democratic nominee is forcing you to vote for Trump again.

I said that about Bernie getting the nomination a long time ago Chum, just a shame that you're too busy finding people no one knows on Twitter and then posting their stuff here like it's news.

I remember! Thank you for telling us over and over!

. . . and thank you for saying the same thing about this over and over and over and over ChumDerp

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 04:17:17 PM
If Sanders actually were able to fully implement his agenda, I could see Russia preferring him. I think they probably prefer Trump, though, just because they already have 4 years of proven results with him.

they want whoever can divide the country the most. trump is clearly #1. bernie is clearly #1 of the remaining dems (rip tulsi). I don't think bernie implementing his agenda has anything to do with it.

What presidential candidates wouldn't "divide the country the most?" The country is just as divided now as we were when we were being led by a black moderate. Trump was elected because of the divide and it's exactly why the democratic party is smart to go with a leftist. Another moderate does nothing to expand their base which is clearly needed. The division was created by two things; the increased influence of money into the political structure and historically disenfranchised populations getting louder voices in the process.

The last presidential election had the moderate of all moderates as the democratic presidential candidate, lmao at anyone who thinks this election will be anymore divisive than the last one. Yeah man, Biden, Bloomberg, or Buttigieg would definitely bring the country together, lol. Listen to yourself.

I sympathize with you POV, but I think it’s fair to say that the country is more divided now under Trump than under Obama. But that’s mainly because Trump’s election has driven liberals insane. See my thesis (https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.msg1768953#msg1768953) from 2017 on this topic. So being “divided” isn’t necessarily a bad thing if the division is mainly because the folks who hate America are pissed off.

There's no way you think liberals are more angry now than conservatives we're under Obama, that's a joke. The bigot in chief is a direct response to Obama, and he didn't do crap. My God, I can't imagine the rage if he carried out a liberal agenda.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 24, 2020, 04:20:31 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2020, 04:23:14 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama.

Oh most definitely. MIR is deluded to believe otherwise. But I’ll leave it there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2020, 04:27:18 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama. 

I agree, but people that hate trump have rational cause and extend far beyond "the left".
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 24, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama. 

I agree, but people that hate trump have rational cause and extend far beyond "the left".
Agree
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama.

Oh most definitely. MIR is deluded to believe otherwise. But I’ll leave it there.

Can you please give us an update in your Hillary indictment watch thread?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1231669024196612096

LOL, that's ridiculous. If the choice is trump and a liberal and you vote for trump, you were definitely not a never-trumper. It Republicans spent the time cleaning their crap up instead of crying about democrats not bailing them out, they wouldn't be in this position.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 24, 2020, 04:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1231669024196612096

LOL, that's ridiculous. If the choice is trump and a liberal and you vote for trump, you were definitely not a never-trumper. It Republicans spent the time cleaning their crap up instead of crying about democrats not bailing them out, they wouldn't be in this position.

That's true unless you get a job working for him and then find yourself with a congressional subpoena or something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
Why hate a guy who conducted foreign policy in the most unilateral pattern seen in years, crushed whistle blowers, coddled Central American dictators, burned down whole countries for new reason and then walked away, spied on Congress, spied on reporters, had the shittiest Asian foreign policy on the planet, was the king of standing down on nearly every threat, violated his own rough ridin' laws on his on rough ridin' healthcare plan, allowed his mega corrupt VP to travel the globe shaking down personal "investment" money from foreign governments and generally sucked at about everything?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on February 24, 2020, 05:08:17 PM
Dax, will you please quit your hilarious meltdown in this thread so it can return to its original subject matter? Thanks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 24, 2020, 05:21:40 PM
Sometimes the self-radicalized can work themselves up so much they just can’t handle it and have these kinds of outbursts. Pretty sad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 24, 2020, 05:23:22 PM
This whole time I thought obama mumped dax's wife.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 24, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
This whole time I thought obama mumped dax's wife.

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
I am an open borders person, so that sounds good to me, too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 06:52:52 PM
I think the left hates Trump more than the right hated Obama.

I don't know about the measurements but not just the left, but people hate trump because he's an unctous, lying, bigoted, misogynistic, dipshit. Obama, for as much as I don't like how the governed, is a good man but he had to deal with people calling him a racist, simply because he was black, being told to go back to Africa, had his citizenship questioned, and his wife called a transsexual.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 24, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
 I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush. If you want a real hot take, I think the right wing hated of Bill Clinton was more than Obama.

I think most of the resistance libs/Russiagate people on twitter are really weird but I don’t think any of them are going to send mail bombs or start a militia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2020, 09:01:45 PM
Kk, you are the rusty of political contrarianism


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on February 24, 2020, 09:26:35 PM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush. If you want a real hot take, I think the right wing hated of Bill Clinton was more than Obama.

Why did you hate Bush so much?  You know he and Michelle Obama are like best friends, right?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 09:30:05 PM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush. If you want a real hot take, I think the right wing hated of Bill Clinton was more than Obama.

Why did you hate Bush so much?  You know he and Michelle Obama are like best friends, right?

Good man, but he allowed his administration to be run by oil thirsty, war criminal, thugs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 24, 2020, 10:04:25 PM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush. If you want a real hot take, I think the right wing hated of Bill Clinton was more than Obama.

I think most of the resistance libs/Russiagate people on twitter are really weird but I don’t think any of them are going to send mail bombs or start a militia.
Are you a liar or a troll? Both?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 10:06:24 PM
waks aka roiling cauldron of perpetual rage telling other people to calm down.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush.
Are you a liar or a troll? Both?

he just has anomalous political opinions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2020, 10:52:12 PM
https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1232163315369086976?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 24, 2020, 10:57:12 PM
https://twitter.com/jheil/status/1232137595758444544
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: treysolid on February 24, 2020, 11:12:29 PM
lolol national suicide lol i bet dax's dad was so rough ridin' pissed off when the italians and irish started coming over and those rants were the only thing little dax heard around the dinner table
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 11:15:24 PM
https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1232163315369086976?s=21

[youtube]https://youtu.be/HfR-JRxe9lk[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2020, 11:15:58 PM
lolol national suicide lol i bet dax's dad was so rough ridin' pissed off when the italians and irish started coming over and those rants were the only thing little dax heard around the dinner table

Why would the son of German immigrants who had to go through the process be mad about legal immigration?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 24, 2020, 11:17:40 PM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush.
Are you a liar or a troll? Both?

he just has anomalous political opinions.

Yeah the thing about hatred is it doesn’t have to be based on any kind of measurable principle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2020, 11:20:58 PM
https://twitter.com/jheil/status/1232137595758444544

I think in 2008 in a land where Obama doesn't exist, he fits in that lane very well. Hell, he may have been able to pull this off in '16.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2020, 08:55:13 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 09:00:30 AM
https://twitter.com/jheil/status/1232137595758444544

I think in 2008 in a land where Obama doesn't exist, he fits in that lane very well. Hell, he may have been able to pull this off in '16.

Was just coming to share this. I honestly respect the hell out of the work that Pete, at age 38, has put into becoming a great politician. In life and work, you succeed by emulating successful people and successful practices. Can’t begrudge that. Hard to imagine the amount of time Pete spends in front of the mirror rehearsing his Obama. Must be a lot. Anyway, pretty interesting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 09:14:28 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

It's really been fantastic to watch.

Comrade Sanders might as well put the hammer and sickle on his campaign logo and just run with it at this point. 

Oh and  :lol: at the cheaper drugs angle.   The PDPRA has been stuck in Congress for months. 

 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:22:58 AM
What this thread needed was more own the libs oriented conservative media talking points.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 09:27:28 AM
What this thread needed was more own the libs oriented conservative media talking points.

Or just slightly perturbed that the best the Dems can do to beat Trump is roll out 81 year old Comrade Bernie Sanders . . . who is still loving all over Fidel Castro and friends.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

Just imagine how easy it would be for someone like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio to get reelected this year. Too bad the republican base is mostly awful people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 09:36:26 AM
I definitely hated Bush more than most conservatives hated Obama, but there is no way I hate Trump as much as Bush. If you want a real hot take, I think the right wing hated of Bill Clinton was more than Obama.

Why did you hate Bush so much?  You know he and Michelle Obama are like best friends, right?

I hate Bush for lots of reasons. Mostly because of Iraq and torture.  I am aware the Obamas and many liberals think he is fine.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Dax still pretending he doesn't want trump re-elected?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 09:41:13 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

You should really consider the idea that you don’t know what the eff you are talking about. A small dose of humility would go a long way here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 09:45:57 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

Just imagine how easy it would be for someone like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio to get reelected this year. Too bad the republican base is mostly awful people.

I disagree that the GOP base is mostly awful people. I don't think that's a fair or nice thing to say. I think a whole lotta people are fed up with media bias and politics as usual and willing back a massive jerk to put a thumb in the eye of "the coastal elites." Along these lines, I'm also not sure that Jeb! or Rubio or Cruz or any of the other Pub candidates would have won in 2016. Maybe it took a Trump to break through. As you know, I didn't support Trump in the primaries and I still don't like him as a person, but I feel like there may be a method to his madness.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 09:46:31 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

You should really consider the idea that you don’t know what the eff you are talking about. A small dose of humility would go a long way here.

I'm all ears, friend.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 09:49:07 AM
Dax still pretending he doesn't want trump re-elected?

Relative to Breadline Bernie, lover of the Soviet system?  Absolutely

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on February 25, 2020, 09:50:31 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

you know that he almost (actually did) win the nomination last election?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:52:17 AM
Dax still pretending he doesn't want trump re-elected?

Relative to Breadline Bernie, lover of the Soviet system?  Absolutely

That's an emphatic yes to pretending.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
Dax still pretending he doesn't want trump re-elected?

Relative to Breadline Bernie, lover of the Soviet system?  Absolutely

Context . . . I really struggle with it

We know
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 25, 2020, 09:56:32 AM
So being “divided” isn’t necessarily a bad thing if the division is mainly because the folks who hate America are pissed off.



I disagree that the GOP base is mostly awful people. I don't think that's a fair or nice thing to say.

Remember to be fair and nice to the GOP while claiming the Democrats hate America
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 10:03:07 AM
Yeah, the democrats hate America.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin/index.html

Quote
Trump made the remark during an interview with Fox News' Bill O'Reilly, saying he respected his Russian counterpart.
"But he's a killer," O'Reilly said to Trump.
"There are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent?" Trump replied.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

You should really consider the idea that you don’t know what the eff you are talking about. A small dose of humility would go a long way here.

I'm all ears, friend.

“We’ll let the pickers pick.”

-Ron Prince
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 10:10:42 AM
Dax still pretending he doesn't want trump re-elected?

Relative to Breadline Bernie, lover of the Soviet system?  Absolutely

Context . . . I really struggle with it

We know

lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 10:17:18 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1232299147455234048
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 10:30:38 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1232299147455234048

Bloomberg really should focus on policies and what he can do for America. It's amazing that his campaign thinks getting in the mud is a great idea, it's inviting him to get dog piled again. I'm guessing his staff are too afraid of him to let him know he's the most amoral, and disliked candidate in the dem field.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
I would possibly vote for Trump over Bloomberg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 10:34:29 AM
3rd party
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2020, 10:36:42 AM
Tom > dax's guy Bloomberg
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2020, 10:45:14 AM
Bloomberg’s only shot is piling on Trump and make it appear to be purely a choice of Bloomberg’s character/competency vs Trump’s.

If he piles on Sanders it needs to be 100% about him not being able to get enough votes in key states in the general.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 10:53:15 AM
The worst thing about Bloomberg winning would be that in 4 years he would be up for reelection against somebody who doesn't believe an impeachment trial should have witnesses or evidence. At least Trump would only be president for 4 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 10:54:02 AM
It's not the Senate's job to make the House's case.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2020, 10:54:16 AM
https://www.kctv5.com/news/kansas-city-to-host-presidential-forum-two-days-before-missouri/article_8f7ded3c-5780-11ea-b907-d74b1eebabff.html?fbclid=IwAR3TMShjmRDQrDPoXJ8TCXj1X9v_Z2THvktfIYi9f12Zd5eUcbfbMfipSMA

Pak?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:03:54 AM
I would possibly vote for Trump over Bloomberg.

that surprises me a great deal.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
I would possibly vote for Trump over Bloomberg.

that surprises me a great deal.

I don't know what I would do, honestly. I'm just saying it would be a possibility.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2020, 11:09:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

This only hurts the online people who post legitimately crazy old guy stuff. SAD


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on February 25, 2020, 11:09:55 AM
It’s really impressive how quickly the left is moving to normalize Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism now that he’s the clear front runner. Like, it took less than a week. I still don’t think he can win because he’s not going to attract the independents he needs to flip a few key states, but I also think enough voters will stick with the “anybody but Trump” train to at least make the election close. This isn’t going to be the landslide I first thought. Ugh.

You should really consider the idea that you don’t know what the eff you are talking about. A small dose of humility would go a long way here.

[/url]I'm all ears, friend.

“We’ll let the pickers pick.”

-Ron Prince
:lol:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475AIgjr1yY[/youtube]
 :lol: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475AIgjr1yY)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2020, 11:10:22 AM
I don’t know that there is a single person I’d vote for trump ahead of. Bernie is probably about as close as I can realistically think of. Maybe Ted Cruz because of his intense creepy energy but that’s not a political reason.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:12:37 AM
I don't know what I would do, honestly. I'm just saying it would be a possibility.

i'm not just surprised that you'd consider trump against anyone, i'm surprised bloomberg would be a candidate that you'd find uniquely unpalatable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 25, 2020, 11:15:57 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:20:31 AM
I don't know what I would do, honestly. I'm just saying it would be a possibility.

i'm not just surprised that you'd consider trump against anyone, i'm surprised bloomberg would be a candidate that you'd find uniquely unpalatable.

I don't know much about him other than that his ban on soda sizes is not a good look for how he values individual liberty. I don't really see a path to him winning so I haven't really looked into his platform. It's probably better than Trump's, but maybe it's not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.

They all get wealthy off taxpayers
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
I don't know much about him other than that his ban on soda sizes is not a good look for how he values individual liberty. I don't really see a path to him winning so I haven't really looked into his platform. It's probably better than Trump's, but maybe it's not.

we're usually pretty much on the same page politically, which is why it surprised me.  some of the stuff that has come out about bloomberg since he entered the race makes me like him less than i did a month ago and i don't think he'd be the best candidate against trump, but i'd have no problem voting for him in a general election.  he was an effective and honest public servant as mayor of nyc and i suspect he'd be the same as president.

your point about reelection chances is interesting, but it's hard to get too worked up about projections five years out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:28:53 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.

They all get wealthy off taxpayers

Only rich people do, by definition.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 25, 2020, 11:29:37 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.

They all get wealthy off taxpayers
Not all of them made a career off of it via politics, dumb dumb. They had previous business success or other avenues that got them to where they were.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2020, 11:29:47 AM
Well I meant rich people “they”, not politicians.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 25, 2020, 11:31:52 AM
It’s going to be fun watching rage deflect for the next 4 years.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
I don't know much about him other than that his ban on soda sizes is not a good look for how he values individual liberty. I don't really see a path to him winning so I haven't really looked into his platform. It's probably better than Trump's, but maybe it's not.

we're usually pretty much on the same page politically, which is why it surprised me.  some of the stuff that has come out about bloomberg since he entered the race makes me like him less than i did a month ago and i don't think he'd be the best candidate against trump, but i'd have no problem voting for him in a general election.  he was an effective and honest public servant as mayor of nyc and i suspect he'd be the same as president.

your point about reelection chances is interesting, but it's hard to get too worked up about projections five years out.

I think it's mostly overreaction to disappointing things like learning about his support of "stop and frisk" and prior knowledge of his regulation of the soda industry. I'm pretty sure that by November I would come to the conclusion that he's better than Trump. It's really hard not to be. I just don't like him and would rather have someone else. Bernie isn't ideal, either, but I've already come to terms that he will probably win and I will vote for him over Trump. Biden is the best case scenario, imo, but that isn't happening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:37:12 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.

They all get wealthy off taxpayers
Not all of them made a career off of it via politics, dumb dumb. They had previous business success or other avenues that got them to where they were.

If you are talking about Bernie, he's remarkably poor for someone as old and successful as he is who hasn't needed any sort of assisted living. It's a pretty good indication that he doesn't know what he is talking about regarding the budget.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
https://twitter.com/danielle_renee2/status/1232030645934673921


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Bernie is only "successful" because he's a socialist from a state nobody cares about and he's hung around Washington for 40 years doing nothing but dreaming about Fidel on a sunny beach.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Everyone knows the federal budget is just like dealing with your checking account
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 12:58:48 PM
 :frown:

Quote
New research suggests Sanders would drive swing voters to Trump — and need a youth turnout miracle to compensate.

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1232360371249266689
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 01:47:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
also lol/ :frown:


https://youtu.be/bUhLeAaG9Sk
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 25, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

Watching the longer clip, wow. That seems incredibly dishonest of Pendarvis. It’s one thing to post a clip out of context, but completely making up a story about it is pretty awful.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 01:53:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
:frown:

Quote
New research suggests Sanders would drive swing voters to Trump — and need a youth turnout miracle to compensate.

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1232360371249266689

Didn't read the entire article but did they do the research on, an incredibly unlikable moderate who ran a horrendous campaign, or just a moderate? I can't imagine Bernie is going to be more intolerable than what many people saw with Clinton. Assuming that trump hasn't expanded his base, the math really should be how much Bernie will be expected to expand the Democrat base + the number of people who voted for trump in '16 who were neverhillary but who are now nevertrump - the number of people who will vote for trump because they can't stomach Bernie.

I'll also point out, maybe they did, but not voting for Bernie seems like a much easier proposition when, in theory, there's still a possibility of getting to vote for a moderate. 5-7 months of Bernie vs. Trump will be much more kindly to Bernie than what we have now which is Trump vs the field vs Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 25, 2020, 03:55:53 PM
I don't think there are a lot of people that were never Hillary and now never Trump.  I think those are dax people who wish it was a different republican but are always going to find reasons to vote for Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 04:17:56 PM
So mumped

https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1232135632832618497
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 25, 2020, 04:38:17 PM
So mumped

https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1232135632832618497
I'm trynna tell y'all...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2020, 04:48:10 PM
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/former-chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuels-dire-warning-bernie-sanders-candicacy-built-on-false-premise/

Sounds like an opportunity to NOT let a crisis go to waste.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
Not gonna lie - excited about tonight’s debate. A pack of closet socialists attacking an honest socialist about positions they all secretly support. And Grandpa Joe on the ropes with nothing to lose.

Ideas for drinking games? How about....
- every time Liz raises her hand
- every time Bernie mentions Denmock
- every time Joe mentions black people
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 05:24:03 PM
What if I told you guys that a black guy named Barack Obama that was born in Kenya, was both a closet Muslim and a Marxist and had a radical black preacher that said “God damn America!” And also pal’d around with terrorists won the presidency twice?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
I think Bernie can win. I just want a slam dunk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 05:42:14 PM
I think Bernie can win. I just want a slam dunk.

Does not exist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 25, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
Because I live in Texas and my vote won’t matter, I likely won’t vote for president if it’s between Bernie and Trump.

If I lived in a swing state I would vote for Bernie.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
Because I live in Texas and my vote won’t matter, I likely won’t vote for president if it’s between Bernie and Trump.

If I lived in a swing state I would vote for Bernie.


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gall darnit make texas a swing state!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 07:26:01 PM
I told that dumbfuck not to get in the mud, now we know he told a woman to get an abortion, good night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1232476328504381440
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
 :surprised:

Pete? Biden?

https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/1232488687671201793
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 25, 2020, 08:31:54 PM
Bloomy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
Bernie doesn't understand that, rightly or wrongly, hairsplitting over things like Cuba falls on deaf ears.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1232476328504381440

Are you just learning about this tonight?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 08:43:40 PM
I’m only about halfway through this dumpster fire. Thoughts so far....

The way Bernie jab/waggles that finger when he talks, he looks like a confused senior citizen in the elevator.

Oh snap mini mike hits Bern with unfounded russia rumors right out the gate!

Biden: I own the black people of South Carolina. Bloomberg: I apologized for making black neighborhoods safer and I met with black people about that. Everyone else: I like black people, too!

Elizabeth Warren’s pregnancy discrimination story is a known lie, but she keeps telling it. Huh.

OMG - Liz actually brought up “kill it!!” Points to her. That’s not gonna go over well with the pro-abortion crowd tho.

This is hilarious. They’re all so frantic to debunk Bernie’s numbers that the moderator has lost all control. It’s like an Iowa caucus site!

Joe Biden is now attacking... Tom Steyer. Has he confused Tom Steyer with Bernie? Even Tom is like - wait, why is this dude talking about me?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 08:45:59 PM
Bernie doesn't understand that, rightly or wrongly, hairsplitting over things like Cuba falls on deaf ears.

Our policy toward Cuba has been an abject failure on any measure. The idea that we should be threatened a tiny island nation 90 miles away from us 60 years after the missile crisis is absurd on its face. The fact that they have in spite of being effectively excluded from the global economy, 99% literacy, and that they train and exports doctors the world over is just that, a fact. We should end the embargo and open up trade as Obama rightly did. If you learn even the most basic facts about the situation, it is obvious and being scared of just talking the obvious truth about this and everything else has got to stop. Being scared of what Trump is going to say about something is to just accept losing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 08:47:03 PM
Every one of KSUW's remarks is equally stupid, but the last one is at least easy to address.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1232479137668816896
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 08:52:09 PM
Bernie doesn't understand that, rightly or wrongly, hairsplitting over things like Cuba falls on deaf ears.

Our policy toward Cuba has been an abject failure on any measure. The idea that we should be threatened a tiny island nation 90 miles away from us 60 years after the missile crisis is absurd on its face. The fact that they have in spite of being effectively excluded from the global economy, 99% literacy, and that they train and exports doctors the world over is just that, a fact. We should end the embargo and open up trade as Obama rightly did. If you learn even the most basic facts about the situation, it is obvious and being scared of just talking the obvious truth about this and everything else has got to stop. Being scared of what Trump is going to say about something is to just accept losing.

My point is that even if he's right he hurts himself by engaging when people aren't following along.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Question to the libs: are any of you actually watching this? Are any of you proud of this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 08:55:07 PM
I agree that it is weird that cable news decided to freak out about it for a day or two, but this is probably the last time we will hear about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 25, 2020, 09:18:54 PM
I agree that it is weird that cable news decided to freak out about it for a day or two, but this is probably the last time we will hear about it.
Nope. Not the last time. A hit. A very palpable hit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 09:19:42 PM
I agree that it is weird that cable news decided to freak out about it for a day or two, but this is probably the last time we will hear about it.
Yeah it's a non issue. No one but Cuban Republicans in Florida genuinely care even a little bit
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
Which is an interesting point! Florida very well could be a MUST WIN for Trump. And nominating Bernie may be conceding Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:29:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1232476328504381440

Are you just learning about this tonight?

Yes, [redacted] I am. I had no reason to give two shits about Michael Bloomberg until a month ago. It speaks to my point about him sticking to the issues and out of the gutter.

My apologies to not knowing everything about everyone, as you obviously do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2020, 09:35:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1232476328504381440

Are you just learning about this tonight?

Yes, [redacted] I am. I had no reason to give two shits about Michael Bloomberg until a month ago. It speaks to my point about him sticking to the issues and out of the gutter.

My apologies to not knowing everything about everyone, as you obviously do.

Yeesh calm down, bud. Not everything is an attack. It’s just interesting to me. This was big news on a lot of sites, but evidently none that you frequent.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
I agree that it is weird that cable news decided to freak out about it for a day or two, but this is probably the last time we will hear about it.

It was a gaffe to mention it in the 60 Minutes interview, and a compounding mistake to continue to talk about it the way that he does. The problem for him doing it is that for those who do care about Castro, it's deeply deeply personal. There's hardly anyone outside of Florida cares. It won't hurt him now, because he's going to win Texas and California by roughly 8 billion delegates.

He will need to drop it before the presidential election and find a way to address it when it's brought up by the Republicans. He absolutely can lose Florida by continuing to be hard-headed about this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:39:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1232476328504381440

Are you just learning about this tonight?

Yes, [redacted] I am. I had no reason to give two shits about Michael Bloomberg until a month ago. It speaks to my point about him sticking to the issues and out of the gutter.

My apologies to not knowing everything about everyone, as you obviously do.

Yeesh calm down, bud. Not everything is an attack. It’s just interesting to me. This was big news on a lot of sites, but evidently none that you frequent.

Again, I have no reason to give a crap about Michael Bloomberg, after next Tuesday, he'll go back to being though of when someone mentions stop and frisk or Big Gulps.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on February 25, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/esglaude/status/1232368646128836610
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 09:41:18 PM
Florida is not winnable in 2020 it doesn't matter at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:43:54 PM
Oh, man. I have no hope that Bloomberg will drop out anytime soon. I feel like we'll be lucky if two people drop out next week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Which is an interesting point! Florida very well could be a MUST WIN for Trump. And nominating Bernie may be conceding Florida.
Yeah they're like all Republicans already
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:47:24 PM
Florida:

https://www.270towin.com/polls/2020-presidential-election/#FL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
Florida is not winnable in 2020 it doesn't matter at all.

How in the world do you figure that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 09:52:25 PM
Which is an interesting point! Florida very well could be a MUST WIN for Trump. And nominating Bernie may be conceding Florida.
Yeah they're like all Republicans already

This says 50/50 in 2016.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/15/unlike-other-latinos-about-half-of-cuban-voters-in-florida-backed-trump/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 25, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Maybe they're not the only ones, but this post is dumdum.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
Florida is not winnable in 2020 it doesn't matter at all.

How in the world do you figure that?

In the 2018 wave election midterms Democrats lost both a Senate race and the governor's race. I would love to be wrong about this, but I think it is as lost as Ohio.

I think Arizona is gettable tho.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 09:58:55 PM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Maybe they're not the only ones, but this post is dumdum.

Did you have a rough ridin' point?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 10:01:10 PM
Florida is not winnable in 2020 it doesn't matter at all.

How in the world do you figure that?

In the 2018 wave election midterms Democrats lost both a Senate race and the governor's race. I would love to be wrong about this, but I think it is as lost as Ohio.

I think Arizona is gettable tho.

Gillum, since bought by Bloomberg, lost by a smaller margin than Hillary did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 10:01:50 PM
Florida varies by election more than any other state due to high rates of relocation to and from. There are no trends there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 10:03:22 PM
Fun fact: I lived in Tallahassee during the 2000 election. Fun times!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 25, 2020, 10:03:22 PM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Maybe they're not the only ones, but this post is dumdum.

Did you have a rough ridin' point?
YES I DID [redacted]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Florida is not winnable in 2020 it doesn't matter at all.

How in the world do you figure that?

In the 2018 wave election midterms Democrats lost both a Senate race and the governor's race. I would love to be wrong about this, but I think it is as lost as Ohio.

I think Arizona is gettable tho.

Gillum, since bought by Bloomberg, lost by a smaller margin than Hillary did.

It was close!  But both Gillum and Nelson underperformed their polling in a wave election. I am certainly open to being wrong!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
florida is definitely winnable, but it probably isn't a likely tipping point state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 10:21:25 PM
probably isn't a likely tipping point state.

Because if it goes blue, several other toss-up states also go blue?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
I'm not sure Trump can win without Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 10:26:33 PM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Maybe they're not the only ones, but this post is dumdum.

Did you have a rough ridin' point?
YES I DID [redacted]

You're such a rough ridin' dipshit. You don't think the non Cubans, who listen to the stories about the Castro regime from their friends, families, and neighbors, don't have sympathy for the stories of how the people they care for were effected by Fidel Castro?

Just because you live in a comfortable, lily white existence, without the ability to feel empathy, doesn't mean that others are like you. Maybe take a break from your JoCo bankruptcy cases and visit people, they won't hurt you and maybe you'll learn something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 25, 2020, 10:31:20 PM
Lol Pete

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1232500881482027008
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 10:32:49 PM
I'm watching the debate recording and my god it's terribly run
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2020, 10:44:59 PM
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1232441390098870272?s=21

Lol forgot about this one
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 10:51:12 PM
Because if it goes blue, several other toss-up states also go blue?

yeah.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
I'm watching the debate recording and my god it's terribly run
Warren does by far the best on race relations but white liberals don't care
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:06:21 PM
Warren does by far the best on race relations but white liberals don't care

neither do black voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
Warren does by far the best on race relations but white liberals don't care

neither do black voters.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/QunZ0KAniLY2Z34hKF/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 25, 2020, 11:13:00 PM
I like Warren. I just can't help it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 25, 2020, 11:15:12 PM
most black voters, mir.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 25, 2020, 11:21:02 PM
Be honest: who has read an entire KSUW post since he has been back? I mean, the guy is a complete POS...always has been, always will be. It’s unfortunate gE has people like him even posting here. I guess it’s the TexAgs spilling over.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2020, 11:30:26 PM
most black voters, mir.

I just wanted to use that gif
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 26, 2020, 12:20:23 AM
Trump won Florida by less than 113,000 votes. Also Cubans aren't the Floridians turned off by a perceived cozy relationship with Castro's ideals.
Maybe they're not the only ones, but this post is dumdum.

Did you have a rough ridin' point?
YES I DID [redacted]

You're such a rough ridin' dipshit. You don't think the non Cubans, who listen to the stories about the Castro regime from their friends, families, and neighbors, don't have sympathy for the stories of how the people they care for were effected by Fidel Castro?

Just because you live in a comfortable, lily white existence, without the ability to feel empathy, doesn't mean that others are like you. Maybe take a break from your JoCo bankruptcy cases and visit people, they won't hurt you and maybe you'll learn something.
Sure, of course I do. And I think the Cuban Americans are ALSO turned off by it, but continue to #PostAngry.

Never lived in JoCo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 12:24:28 AM
guys, you're just fighting because mir inadvertently left the word "only" out of his post.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 26, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
guys, you're just fighting because mir inadvertently left the word "only" out of his post.
That could explain things. If so, sorry, MIR. Love your angry ass. (But also if so, this was your fault, not mine).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
guys, you're just fighting because mir inadvertently left the word "only" out of his post.

LOL, yeah :facepalm:

guys, you're just fighting because mir inadvertently left the word "only" out of his post.
That could explain things. If so, sorry, MIR. Love your angry ass. (But also if so, this was your fault, not mine).

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 06:14:58 AM
This is awesome and fascinating.

https://twitter.com/themarkup/status/1232625096864518144
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 06:40:14 AM
I made it as far as the squabbling over who wrote the “boyfriend bill” to confiscate guns from domestic abusers. I’d ask if I missed any highlights, but it appears very few of you even watched it. You guys are like super enthused about beating Trump but you’re not even watching these clowns in action. Warren and Pete are the only competent debaters and neither is going to win the nomination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 06:42:39 AM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/QunZ0KAniLY2Z34hKF/giphy.gif)

Take a drink. She’s like a Jeopardy contestant hitting the buzzer before the questions are even finished. Listen to meeeee!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 06:46:55 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/1232476262104358916
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on February 26, 2020, 06:50:27 AM
Do you fear women or do you hate women? Maybe a little of both? It's hard to tell sometimes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 07:29:09 AM
It’s fear. KSUW only seems to have an issue with the powerful ones.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 07:31:34 AM
I’ve enjoyed these last two debates. I can see why some Dems would be turned off by all the infighting or how herp derp Pubs want to just believe disagreement = dumpster fire, but I appreciate the efforts at this stage to differentiate the candidates and the developed talking points.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 07:32:39 AM
Lol Pete

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1232500881482027008

It was a total job interview question so I loved this corny ass response. Really all the responses were cringe but they also mostly captured the candidates’ essence IYAM.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2020, 07:42:28 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 07:48:36 AM
This is awesome and fascinating.

https://twitter.com/themarkup/status/1232625096864518144
Yeah. Reminded me of this

https://slate.com/business/2018/10/amazon-artificial-intelligence-hiring-discrimination-women.html

Algorithms are biased (intentional or not)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 07:50:47 AM
Thoughts on winners and losers....

Biden and Sanders won. Biden has some strong moments and was funny at times. It will be enough to win SC, after which the narrative will be that this race has been “reset.” Its going to come down to Biden v. Sanders for the nomination, and Super Tuesday is gonna be exciting. Sanders won because the field just wasn’t effective enough at savaging him last night. Too much infighting among the other candidates. The Bern emerged mostly unscathed.

Liz is in a tricky spot. Bernie has crowded her out of the race, but she’s calculated (probably correctly) that she can’t win by savaging him and pissing off her own potential voters. So instead she is focussing her considerable firepower against Bloomberg because everybody hates that billionaire creep and it’s easy points. She’s hoping Sanders is gonna trip up. But he won’t. Which is why she’s doomed.

Bloomberg is just a terrible candidate. He’ll stick it out through ST and then go home after wasting a billion dollars.

Pete did fine. But he didn’t do anything to break out, and he’s just not getting traction. Which surprises me because I thought Gay Obama would be way more popular.

I guess Klo and Steyer we’re eligible for the debate, but neither belongs there. Non-factors last night and in the race going forward.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 07:51:29 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 26, 2020, 07:57:42 AM
Bernie doesn't understand that, rightly or wrongly, hairsplitting over things like Cuba falls on deaf ears.

Our policy toward Cuba has been an abject failure on any measure. The idea that we should be threatened a tiny island nation 90 miles away from us 60 years after the missile crisis is absurd on its face. The fact that they have in spite of being effectively excluded from the global economy, 99% literacy, and that they train and exports doctors the world over is just that, a fact. We should end the embargo and open up trade as Obama rightly did. If you learn even the most basic facts about the situation, it is obvious and being scared of just talking the obvious truth about this and everything else has got to stop. Being scared of what Trump is going to say about something is to just accept losing.

We’re going to need another generation of old people to die before this happens. Sad but facts.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 08:00:17 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.

Peak MAGA: I wish Bernie would stop trying to explain how he’s going to pay for Medicare for All and tell us his penis size.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 'taterblast on February 26, 2020, 08:02:05 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.

 :lol: give one example of an idea debated last night that is less important than penis size
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.

Peak MAGA: I wish Bernie would stop trying to explain how he’s going to pay for Medicare for All and tell us his penis size.

Do you actually believe Bernie has a way to pay for his proposals, or any of the other candidates? No? Then why does it matter? Anyway, if you actually watched the debate last night, most of it boiled down to either attacks or pandering based upon identity politics, which is about all the Democrat Party is anymore. There’s virtually no substance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 08:08:57 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.

Peak MAGA: I wish Bernie would stop trying to explain how he’s going to pay for Medicare for All and tell us his penis size.

Do you actually believe Bernie has a way to pay for his proposals, or any of the other candidates? No? Then why does it matter? Anyway, if you actually watched the debate last night, most of it boiled down to either attacks or pandering based upon identity politics, which is about all the Democrat Party is anymore. There’s virtually no substance.

It’s taxes. The same way every other developed country pays for this stuff. The only question is which taxes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
I’ve enjoyed these last two debates. I can see why some Dems would be turned off by all the infighting or how herp derp Pubs want to just believe disagreement = dumpster fire, but I appreciate the efforts at this stage to differentiate the candidates and the developed talking points.
I think it's fair for 'pubs to believe disagreement = dumpster fire, especially after the last election and the dems rolling out the same cast of characters.  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on February 26, 2020, 08:25:24 AM
I’ve enjoyed these last two debates. I can see why some Dems would be turned off by all the infighting or how herp derp Pubs want to just believe disagreement = dumpster fire, but I appreciate the efforts at this stage to differentiate the candidates and the developed talking points.
I think it's fair for 'pubs to believe disagreement = dumpster fire, especially after the last election and the dems rolling out the same cast of characters.  :th_twocents:

The only character from last election is Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2020, 08:26:33 AM
And he's the leader....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
i think dub might be crazier than dax
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
i think dub might be crazier than dax

No. It just seems that way because dax actually likes Trump and dub has to pretend like he does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 08:44:22 AM
https://slate.com/business/2018/10/amazon-artificial-intelligence-hiring-discrimination-women.html

Algorithms are biased (intentional or not)

I'm curious if campaigns like Pete and Yang's know which words/phrases/other things to include or exclude in order to hit the primary inbox. Given the results, it's kind of like, "how could they not know!?"

Incidentally, the professor mentioned in the Stanford/Silicon Valley article I posted in the SF thread, Mehran Sahami, is credited with pioneering the spam folder (google's).
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 08:51:32 AM
There is a 100% chance Pete’s group did everything they could to avoid the “promotional” designation. Really I think the chart is a testament to the folks who sweat the details.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 26, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
i think dub might be crazier than dax

No. It just seems that way because dax actually likes Trump and dub has to pretend like he does.

They are both gigantic IRL POS’s
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2020, 09:11:30 AM
Da Big Psycho (edit) rage, SlowDug and waks:  Both 1000% roiling cauldrons of perpetual rage

Sad

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 11:32:12 AM
I think a lot of trump guys like dub forget what a mess the '16 primary season was. They literally fought about who has an adequate penis.

It was never this bad. And penis size is more relevant than most of the “ideas” that were “debated” last night.

Peak MAGA: I wish Bernie would stop trying to explain how he’s going to pay for Medicare for All and tell us his penis size.

Do you actually believe Bernie has a way to pay for his proposals, or any of the other candidates? No? Then why does it matter? Anyway, if you actually watched the debate last night, most of it boiled down to either attacks or pandering based upon identity politics, which is about all the Democrat Party is anymore. There’s virtually no substance.

It’s taxes. The same way every other developed country pays for this stuff. The only question is which taxes.

yeah and expecting a campaign to truly work out the details on how to implement and pay for something as complex as Medicare for All during the primary is pretty dim. It's ridiculously complex and will need more specialized people working on it than a campaign could ever hire. The first step is saying it's what you want, and while I admire the fact that Warren is saying she has a plan, in actuality her "plan" is irrelevant, because it would need to change when she actually takes office and congress tries to work on it.

Also if you really want medicare for all you don't put a lame public option on the table because compromising before you come to the table is like the worst negotiating strategy you can have. IMO AOC said it pretty well:

Quote
“A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week.

Ocasio-Cortez ? one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ? said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

“The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ? she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roadblock-bernie-sanders-congress-medicare-for-all_n_5e45ac30c5b6e095c6bcceb0?6yc&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2FvYy1tZWRpY2FyZS1mb3ItYWxsLXB1YmxpYy1vcHRpb24tYmVybmllLXNhbmRlcnMtNmY5NDQ5M2UtOTZkMy00MzI5LThjMjktZDE3ODkxZDQzZmM5Lmh0bWw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALhVx1TdUMn3mSSN-6dVFoZkbnjeB40JiLKLwTMxOCXo88aICkivKXb5EVrWdK0FnhWrGzcPY8QDqIPZ3NlC0j7aTM7_s-a0otl0O1klI5qQYpCR1UTXjXLuGqEmowak-yVEKDyv3Fo-A36jU18TOX7XfGNJKNg6EvE_BnAtUxjf

(also AOC's gonna be president someday)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 11:54:36 AM
He can’t stand rich ppl. He can only tolerate the ones who got wealthy off taxpayers.

They all get wealthy off taxpayers
Not all of them made a career off of it via politics, dumb dumb. They had previous business success or other avenues that got them to where they were.

If you are talking about Bernie, he's remarkably poor for someone as old and successful as he is who hasn't needed any sort of assisted living. It's a pretty good indication that he doesn't know what he is talking about regarding the budget.

https://twitter.com/the_antifada/status/1232529803925958656?s=20

also lol

https://twitter.com/robwhisman/status/1232724803498340352?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 26, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
Rusty, that was great.  Where did you find that?  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
Rusty, that was great.  Where did you find that?  :lol:

thanks katdaddy! I found it on twitter
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on February 26, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
Rusty, that was great.  Where did you find that?  :lol:

thanks katdaddy! I found it on twitter

This just confirms my belief Pete is phony.  I had a classmate who was just like that, and his goal was to be a politician.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2020, 12:24:27 PM
We should definitely hate people who follow a multi-decade plan to achieve a goal
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 12:28:42 PM
We should definitely hate people who follow a multi-decade plan to achieve a goal

oh jeez it's a funny video and tweet
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 26, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
I agree  :shy:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 12:32:01 PM
I'm curious if campaigns like Pete and Yang's know which words/phrases/other things to include or exclude in order to hit the primary inbox.

isn't that stuff mostly based on if you click to open the senders' emails or not?  i signed up for several candidates and they all went to my promotions folder after a little bit of training gmail that that's where i wanted them to go.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
I'm curious if campaigns like Pete and Yang's know which words/phrases/other things to include or exclude in order to hit the primary inbox.

isn't that stuff mostly based on if you click to open the senders' emails or not?  i signed up for several candidates and they all went to my promotions folder after a little bit of training gmail that that's where i wanted them to go.

I don't think they opened any of the emails for the study as a way to test the initial algorithm

Still, I definitely have some emails (not political) that are a pain in the ass to get in my primary gmail inbox
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
I'm curious if campaigns like Pete and Yang's know which words/phrases/other things to include or exclude in order to hit the primary inbox.

isn't that stuff mostly based on if you click to open the senders' emails or not?  i signed up for several candidates and they all went to my promotions folder after a little bit of training gmail that that's where i wanted them to go.

In the test scenario, they started with a fresh account and attempted to treat all candidate email in an equal manner. It appears you can game the default settings to hit the primary inbox, which would obviously be advantageous.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 01:49:27 PM
pretty good summations of why sanders will win and why he won't win arguments.

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1232366685690245122
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 01:53:00 PM
Steve Kornacki is a K-State sports fan for some totally random reason.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
I really wish that the fivethirtyeight would break down "no one" more than they do. It's really easy for me to look at it as Sanders getting a plurality but not a majority, but some of that percentage has to also account for Biden getting a plurality. I don't think the DNC would nominate someone without the plurality. I'm guessing it's about 70% Sanders gets the nomination at this point unless the DNC actually goes with someone else in a brokered convention.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Steve Kornacki is a K-State sports fan for some totally random reason.

yeah, it's amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 02:39:26 PM
I really wish that the fivethirtyeight would break down "no one" more than they do. It's really easy for me to look at it as Sanders getting a plurality but not a majority, but some of that percentage has to also account for Biden getting a plurality. I don't think the DNC would nominate someone without the plurality. I'm guessing it's about 70% Sanders gets the nomination at this point unless the DNC actually goes with someone else in a brokered convention.

they do.  click on the underlined words in the sentence below the title to change from majority to plurality.  it is 67% sanders plurality, 23% biden at the moment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 02:40:45 PM
to clarify, those %s are for winning a majority or a plurality, not the %s of winning a plurality, if no one wins a majority.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2020, 02:45:36 PM
Steve Kornacki is a K-State sports fan for some totally random reason.

yeah, it's amazing.

that is great, how do we know this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2020, 02:47:23 PM
KK, just want to be clear hear.  It doesn't matter that Bernie keeps talking about his deep affinity for many things in the old Soviet system?

Just want to make sure I'm clear on that, and that I and everyone else is just supposed to over look Bernie's doubling, well, tripling down on this matter.


Thanks again, KK.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 02:49:39 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/527849977692061696

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/527855551875923968
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
I really wish that the fivethirtyeight would break down "no one" more than they do. It's really easy for me to look at it as Sanders getting a plurality but not a majority, but some of that percentage has to also account for Biden getting a plurality. I don't think the DNC would nominate someone without the plurality. I'm guessing it's about 70% Sanders gets the nomination at this point unless the DNC actually goes with someone else in a brokered convention.

they do.  click on the underlined words in the sentence below the title to change from majority to plurality.  it is 67% sanders plurality, 23% biden at the moment.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 02:59:37 PM
I heard (or read) someone ask Kornacki about it once. I don't remember at all what he said because it was just totally random. It might as well have been, "I like their style!" Another tweet:

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/261643110520614912
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2020, 03:06:24 PM
is he related to Karen Kornacki
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2020, 06:06:18 PM
The onslaught of Bloomie and Obama working together ads is immense.   That gun control message from the Bloomberg campaign painting a lockstep approach with then President Obama is going to play quite well here in the South.  That's money well spent right there, on point.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 06:27:23 PM
So Bernie is going to compromise into Pete's positions?

yeah, the compromise is ok, but only when we do it argument is a bit too openly cynical for me to swallow.  although my general election vote doesn't matter, i'd consider my vote to be very barely gettable for a sanders campaign, but they're definitely not off to a good start.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 06:54:19 PM
So Bernie is going to compromise into Pete's positions?

yeah, the compromise is ok, but only when we do it argument is a bit too openly cynical for me to swallow.

who is saying this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 06:55:35 PM
aoc.  you quoted her approvingly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 26, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
aoc.  you quoted her approvingly.

I guess I missed the part where she said it wasn't OK for other people to compromise
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 07:03:50 PM
the sanders campaign has argued that for a year plus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 07:08:46 PM
the sanders campaign has argued that for a year plus.

Sanders has argued that "compromise is ok, but only when we do it"? I don't think that's true, you're probably projecting because you're sad about Beto
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 07:15:34 PM
jfc, michigan.  i don't have the energy for this.  the sanders campaign has imposed purity tests on the rest of the field from the start of the campaign until today (and will no doubt continue).  meanwhile you have aoc, a very high profile campaign surrogate, talking about how they will happily compromise down to the positions they attacked other campaigns for running on, not just on any random issue, but on the signature issue that sanders made the centerpiece of his candidacy.

if you're fine with that, great.  enjoy your politics.  as i said, it's too cynical for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
jfc, michigan.  i don't have the energy for this.  the sanders campaign has imposed purity tests on the rest of the field from the start of the campaign until today (and will no doubt continue).  meanwhile you have aoc, a very high profile campaign surrogate, talking about how they will happily compromise down to the positions they attacked other campaigns for running on, not just on any random issue, but on the signature issue that sanders made the centerpiece of his candidacy.

if you're fine with that, great.  enjoy your politics.  as i said, it's too cynical for me.

I've heard about these "imposed purity tests" but only from other candidates (and folks like you). what you consider a "purity test" for Bernie is just a having a different policy position for everyone else.

talk about cynical, my goodness.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
Does anybody here really want VA Healthcare for All? I mean, what part of this “progressive agenda” do you actually want (and are willing to pay higher taxes to supposedly afford)? Or is it less the new entitlements and more about the new authoritarianism on thing like guns that excites you?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 08:37:12 PM
Just want to own the MAGAs. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
Just want to own the MAGAs. Nothing more, nothing less.

K. Would how much higher taxes would you be willing to pay to own us?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 26, 2020, 09:21:55 PM
Just want to own the MAGAs. Nothing more, nothing less.

K. Would how much higher taxes would you be willing to pay to own us?

I want your tax rate to be 100%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2020, 09:27:13 PM
Bernie is campaigning on and lay out a vision for Medicare 4 All and healthcare as a human right. He has offered a strategic vision, his plan and the tactics he intends to employ to achieve this goal.

Obviously no president gets to unilaterally impost an agenda, but Pete and co. don't get the moral high ground by compromising with themselves first and then compromising at the bargaining table back to the status quo and saying they "did what they could."

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
https://twitter.com/roper_93/status/1232734131756335114?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2020, 09:59:36 PM
Bernie is campaigning on and lay out a vision for Medicare 4 All and healthcare as a human right. He has offered a strategic vision, his plan and the tactics he intends to employ to achieve this goal.

Obviously no president gets to unilaterally impost an agenda, but Pete and co. don't get the moral high ground by compromising with themselves first and then compromising at the bargaining table back to the status quo and saying they "did what they could."

Would Klo veto a more progressive bill passed by Congress on healthcare?

She would never get one on her desk to start with.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 10:17:37 PM
Bernie is campaigning on and lay out a vision for Medicare 4 All and healthcare as a human right. He has offered a strategic vision, his plan and the tactics he intends to employ to achieve this goal.

Obviously no president gets to unilaterally impost an agenda, but Pete and co. don't get the moral high ground by compromising with themselves first and then compromising at the bargaining table back to the status quo and saying they "did what they could."

in other words, it's ok for sanders to compromise, but not anyone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 10:31:51 PM
Bernie is campaigning on and lay out a vision for Medicare 4 All and healthcare as a human right. He has offered a strategic vision, his plan and the tactics he intends to employ to achieve this goal.

Obviously no president gets to unilaterally impost an agenda, but Pete and co. don't get the moral high ground by compromising with themselves first and then compromising at the bargaining table back to the status quo and saying they "did what they could."

in other words, it's ok for sanders to compromise, but not anyone else.

bernie just doesn't pass Pete's purity test for moderates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 10:43:34 PM
i can't recall exactly what views i've expressed here and what i've only said on twitter, but i think you'll find i've been fairly critical of buttigieg over the course of the last year when he's outlined contrived and dishonest ways to contrast his policies with those of his rivals.

i don't know why you'd expect me to have a different standard for sanders.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 26, 2020, 11:08:44 PM
Bernie is campaigning on and lay out a vision for Medicare 4 All and healthcare as a human right. He has offered a strategic vision, his plan and the tactics he intends to employ to achieve this goal.

Obviously no president gets to unilaterally impost an agenda, but Pete and co. don't get the moral high ground by compromising with themselves first and then compromising at the bargaining table back to the status quo and saying they "did what they could."

This such a hilarious take. It’s like you’re saying presidential candidates should exclusively campaign on an agenda that is a notch or two more liberal (or conservative as applicable) than what they actually believe in.

Well if insincerity is your thing boy do I have a McKinsey trained candidate for you!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 11:18:17 PM


i can't recall exactly what views i've expressed here and what i've only said on twitter, but i think you'll find i've been fairly critical of buttigieg over the course of the last year when he's outlined contrived and dishonest ways to contrast his policies with those of his rivals.

i don't know why you'd expect me to have a different standard for sanders.

I'm just saying that by yours and Pete's weirdo definition, all candidates have "purity tests".
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 26, 2020, 11:24:29 PM
I'm just saying that by yours and Pete's weirdo definition, all candidates have "purity tests".

catastrophe may be expressing the objection better than i have.

if insincerity is your thing boy do I have a McKinsey trained candidate for you!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2020, 11:37:39 PM
pretty good summations of why sanders will win and why he won't win arguments.

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1232366685690245122

He was pissing me off last night, probably wasn't his fault. They had him taking for 5 minutes about how Bernie isn't a slam dunk because he isn't winning the 65 and over vote, needed like 5 graphics to tell the story. I'm sure it was some dipshit producers idea, just a reminder as to why I don't watch MSNBC.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 26, 2020, 11:47:40 PM
I'm just saying that by yours and Pete's weirdo definition, all candidates have "purity tests".

catastrophe may be expressing the objection better than i have.

if insincerity is your thing boy do I have a McKinsey trained candidate for you!

catastrophe's take was based on some pretty flimsy assumptions
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2020, 11:51:19 PM
I'm just saying that by yours and Pete's weirdo definition, all candidates have "purity tests".

catastrophe may be expressing the objection better than i have.

if insincerity is your thing boy do I have a McKinsey trained candidate for you!

I was about to mock catastrophe about how vapid that opinion was.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2020, 12:10:30 AM
Go on
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2020, 07:09:56 AM
Has anyone here ever negotiated before? This is pretty basic stuff guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2020, 07:17:22 AM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

I agree. As a POC, does this racial pandering appeal to you?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2020, 07:25:11 AM
Has anyone here ever negotiated before? This is pretty basic stuff guys.

irl professional negotiator here. AMA!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
Glad you asked! Firstly, I’d recommend the following from a Kansas City native!

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2020, 07:50:29 AM
Getting to Yes is another good one about negotiating from principles instead of just starting high and meeting in the middle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2020, 08:09:35 AM
Getting to Yes is another good one about negotiating from principles instead of just starting high and meeting in the middle.

YES!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2020, 08:10:59 AM
This is just going to be fantastic. Can’t wait.


? https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/27/democratic-leaders-willing-to-risk-party-damage-to-stop-bernie-sanders?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 08:17:02 AM
Getting to Yes is another good one about negotiating from principles instead of just starting high and meeting in the middle.

do you genuinely think Bernie's stated positions on medicare for all are to the left of what he actually wants to achieve?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2020, 08:24:34 AM
This is just going to be fantastic. Can’t wait.


? https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/27/democratic-leaders-willing-to-risk-party-damage-to-stop-bernie-sanders?

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 08:26:10 AM
dnyuz.com

This is a rick roll style link to a deez nuts joke, isn’t it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2020, 08:40:13 AM
Getting to Yes is another good one about negotiating from principles instead of just starting high and meeting in the middle.

do you genuinely think Bernie's stated positions on medicare for all are to the left of what he actually wants to achieve?

Not at all. And I don’t think that is (or should be) true of the other candidates either. That’s why I’ve been lampooning KK’s suggestion that (1) it wouldn’t be a failure if Bernie settles on a public option, and (2) if moderates REALLY wanted a public option they would be campaigning on a Medicare for All platform.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 09:05:08 AM
Does anybody here really want VA Healthcare for All? I mean, what part of this “progressive agenda” do you actually want (and are willing to pay higher taxes to supposedly afford)? Or is it less the new entitlements and more about the new authoritarianism on thing like guns that excites you?

Old people on medicare don't go to the VA unless they are veterans.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2020, 09:07:25 AM
Does anybody here really want VA Healthcare for All? I mean, what part of this “progressive agenda” do you actually want (and are willing to pay higher taxes to supposedly afford)? Or is it less the new entitlements and more about the new authoritarianism on thing like guns that excites you?

Old people on medicare don't go to the VA unless they are veterans.
The VA does not accept Medicare.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
Getting to Yes is another good one about negotiating from principles instead of just starting high and meeting in the middle.

do you genuinely think Bernie's stated positions on medicare for all are to the left of what he actually wants to achieve?

Not at all. And I don’t think that is (or should be) true of the other candidates either. That’s why I’ve been lampooning KK’s suggestion that (1) it wouldn’t be a failure if Bernie settles on a public option, and (2) if moderates REALLY wanted a public option they would be campaigning on a Medicare for All platform.

I think those are your suggestions and not KK's
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2020, 09:56:51 AM
I mean, he can speak for himself if I’m misunderstanding his position.

I take it you disagree with those two suggestions?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
I think it's unlikely Bernie gets any sort of healthcare plan passed because it's unlikely republicans lose the senate. They aren't going to compromise with a socialist, so it doesn't really matter what sort of plan Bernie is willing to compromise down to.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2020, 10:03:53 AM
Does anybody here really want VA Healthcare for All? I mean, what part of this “progressive agenda” do you actually want (and are willing to pay higher taxes to supposedly afford)? Or is it less the new entitlements and more about the new authoritarianism on thing like guns that excites you?

Old people on medicare don't go to the VA unless they are veterans.
The VA does not accept Medicare.

Oh sorry for the confusion. That was my short-hand for “the healthcare quality under Medicare For All will be worse than Medicare, worse than Medicaid, and maybe worse than the VA.” I think you all secretly know that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 10:07:25 AM
I have trouble believing the VA is really that bad, honestly. Why wouldn't the veterans just go to a different hospital if the service at the VA is worse?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2020, 10:11:43 AM
I have trouble believing the VA is really that bad, honestly. Why wouldn't the veterans just go to a different hospital if the service at the VA is worse?
They can. Some VA clinics are very good. Some are very bad. There is a spectrum, just like healthcare quality throughout the country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 10:13:39 AM
I mean, he can speak for himself if I’m misunderstanding his position.

I take it you disagree with those two suggestions?

I don't think it's necessarily a failure if Bernie's full version of M4A doesn't get through. It isn't a college football game where there can only be two outcomes, winning and losing.

I don't really have an opinion on the second because I don't think it really applies to anyone, it's just some scenario you made up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 27, 2020, 11:54:07 AM
She's my favorite.

https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1233042201288093696
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
She's my favorite.

https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1233042201288093696

it blows my mind that people say she's unlikeable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on February 27, 2020, 12:04:55 PM
She's my favorite.

https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1233042201288093696
"Oh gosh, that's so many"  :lol: :lol: :lol: I love her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2020, 12:20:08 PM
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on February 27, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.
Correct. Similar to how we all still love you, Dax.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: waks on February 27, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
The whole segment is great.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u6v2DbTyi4[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Everyone loves their Soccer Grandma as a person.
Correct. Similar to how we all still love you, Dax.

Way way cooler than Liz and much younger as well.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2020, 12:40:48 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...

(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/06/01/opinion-manifestos/0fe3a69320a4efffd982398341bbfcb1119833bc/us-820.svg)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html)

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 12:43:54 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

it's either a success or failure, no middle ground
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
With such a hostile McConnell senate, I doubt Bernie could even get a scotus appointment during his term, let alone any anything positive on the health care front.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
That applies to all the dem candidates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...

(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/06/01/opinion-manifestos/0fe3a69320a4efffd982398341bbfcb1119833bc/us-820.svg)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html)

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2020, 12:56:54 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...

(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/06/01/opinion-manifestos/0fe3a69320a4efffd982398341bbfcb1119833bc/us-820.svg)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html)

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.

I think parties follow their base - not the other way around.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
I think parties follow their base - not the other way around.

I don't necessarily disagree. Growing dissatisfaction with Obama doing basically nothing to push liberal causes combined with a pretty charismatic progressive leader in Sanders kind of fed on each other. And yeah I'm sure a more firm rejection of Trump contributed to the shift, too. It's a combination of everything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 01:50:50 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

I agree. As a POC, does this racial pandering appeal to you?

Only your racist ass would think expanding that opportunity beyond the mediocre white man, who has always served in that role, pandering. White males account for roughly 35% of the population, expecting representation from the other 65% of the population is pandering? You don't think there are women and minorities from both parties that are smarter and more dynamic than Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Dick Chaney, Al Gore, Dan Quayle, and George Bush?

You think you are so smart and savvy, but you couldn't avoid this very obvious self own. Whatever minor league you spent time at the last few months at trying to hone your skills at, grossly failed you. Try smarter, not harder, troll. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
This is just going to be fantastic. Can’t wait.


? https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/27/democratic-leaders-willing-to-risk-party-damage-to-stop-bernie-sanders?

Did anyone actually click this? What the eff is dnyuz?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 02:18:34 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's amazing how much further left the Dem Party has moved in a decade. I guess Orange Man's Fault.

I found this interesting...

(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/06/01/opinion-manifestos/0fe3a69320a4efffd982398341bbfcb1119833bc/us-820.svg)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html)

(The lead speaks to the GOP, but this chart lower in the artilce tells the real story).

IMO it was more about Bernie challenging Hillary than Trump. He shifted the entire party to the left with the opportunity and Fox News making folks like AOC a superstar just kinda made the shift easier.

Obama really didn't do much to shift the party to the left.

I think the shift left was a combination of dissatisfaction with the Obama presidency and the subsequent shift right of the republican party. If Obama managed to get actual health care reform, Bernie in '16 doesn't become a thing, nationally. KSUW is right that the shift left is in the electorate and not the party, in fact, it seems obvious that the party is fighting the move left, because their business is getting democrats elected, not transforming the country at any cost.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 02:19:33 PM
I think parties follow their base - not the other way around.

I don't necessarily disagree. Growing dissatisfaction with Obama doing basically nothing to push liberal causes combined with a pretty charismatic progressive leader in Sanders kind of fed on each other. And yeah I'm sure a more firm rejection of Trump contributed to the shift, too. It's a combination of everything.

great minds, rusty, great minds
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2020, 02:32:29 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

I agree. As a POC, does this racial pandering appeal to you?

Only your racist ass would think expanding that opportunity beyond the mediocre white man, who has always served in that role, pandering. White males account for roughly 35% of the population, expecting representation from the other 65% of the population is pandering? You don't think there are women and minorities from both parties that are smarter and more dynamic than Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Dick Chaney, Al Gore, Dan Quayle, and George Bush?

You think you are so smart and savvy, but you couldn't avoid this very obvious self own. Whatever minor league you spent time at the last few months at trying to hone your skills at, grossly failed you. Try smarter, not harder, troll.

You and I both know that short of some hinky compromise out of a brokered convention, the VP is going to be a black woman whose last name rhymes with Abrams.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 03:15:41 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.

Sure, I understand that, but with things so tight just to get out of this semifinal round, there's logic to pairing up with someone both people's fans would support and combining that support to advance.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

I agree. As a POC, does this racial pandering appeal to you?

Only your racist ass would think expanding that opportunity beyond the mediocre white man, who has always served in that role, pandering. White males account for roughly 35% of the population, expecting representation from the other 65% of the population is pandering? You don't think there are women and minorities from both parties that are smarter and more dynamic than Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Dick Chaney, Al Gore, Dan Quayle, and George Bush?

You think you are so smart and savvy, but you couldn't avoid this very obvious self own. Whatever minor league you spent time at the last few months at trying to hone your skills at, grossly failed you. Try smarter, not harder, troll.

You and I both know that short of some hinky compromise out of a brokered convention, the VP is going to be a black woman whose last name rhymes with Abrams.

Yeah, stupid. I said that in this thread, last week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.

Sure, I understand that, but with things so tight just to get out of this semifinal round, there's logic to pairing up with someone both people's fans would support and combining that support to advance.

Not necessary. Super Tuesday is going to be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 03:50:17 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.

Sure, I understand that, but with things so tight just to get out of this semifinal round, there's logic to pairing up with someone both people's fans would support and combining that support to advance.

Not necessary. Super Tuesday is going to be a bloodbath.

Well, it'd be appreciated if they self-narrowed themselves down now so that voters could vote for the people they truly wanted to be the executive team rather than voting to achieve a result based on pluralities and delegate schemes and who'll still be running weeks or months later.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Is there anything beyond ego that precludes any of these people from becoming a pres/vp tag team right now?

Damn _33 senior you asked this question in January. I don't think any of these people will be a VP candidate for any of the others, it doesn't make sense. The most fitting one to be a VP is Steyer. They aren't going to ask a white dude and he wouldn't do it if asked. Harris and Booker might be choices for any of the moderates. Sanders and Warren will likely choose someone you've never heard of.

Yeah, but now it’s the end of February and things are more clear. Warren should be Sanders’ VP and Pete should be Biden’s.

It’s dumb that we have to pick from these people without knowing who most of their team would be. At least having the VP picked isn’t much to ask, and it would narrow the field.

Nah, you have to pick a VP that would broaden your appeal. Warren could do that to an extent for Sanders, but there are choices that give him more of a shot in the arm, same that could be said for Biden and Pete. There are lots of young, dynamic, moderates out there that haven't spent six months pissing off a large percentage of the electorate.

Sure, I understand that, but with things so tight just to get out of this semifinal round, there's logic to pairing up with someone both people's fans would support and combining that support to advance.

Not necessary. Super Tuesday is going to be a bloodbath.

Well, it'd be appreciated if they self-narrowed themselves down now so that voters could vote for the people they truly wanted to be the executive team rather than voting to achieve a result based on pluralities and delegate schemes and who'll still be running weeks or months later.

Wouldn't people quitting cut down the possibility of voting for "people they truly wanted to be the executive team?" Do you know or have heard of anyone voting at this point "to achieve a result based on pluralities and delegate schemes and who'll still be running weeks or months later?" I haven't seen a Warren or Pete supporter say yet, well I like A, but I'm voting for B because my person is going to lose. I can identify that Bernie is going to win, but if I were voting on Super Tuesday I wouldn't vote for him. This process isn't any different than any other primary process has been. 2% of the delegates have been awarded to this point, I'm unclear as to why you think all of these people should be dropping out right now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 27, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Ugh

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1233157868595109891
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 05:10:43 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?
This is probably just a rehash of the previous convo with different verbiage.

It's interesting in that it makes it seem like support for Bernie is more about the right way for how to push progressivism than outcomes in his presidency (caveat being if you believe in Bernie as a messenger ect. you then believe he will achieve more and anyone else isn't effective because Obama proved it).

The right way to push progressivisim? What does that mean, either one has progressive ideals or they don't. The outcomes aren't controllable, to an extent anyway, the intent is. There is and should be a purity test for progressive candidates, in all political races. There was absolutely a purity test for the two conservative movements that both pushed America right (Contract with America and the Tea Party Movement), why wouldn't there be with progressives? What's the point of having a movement if you have leaders that don't truly believe in the message?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 05:17:56 PM
Ugh

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1233157868595109891

Talk of polling irregularities, either way, it doesn't matter. I think it's cute that Biden is putting all of his eggs in the South Carolina basket, a good showing there doesn't even offset the first three horrific performances he had. He also knows what Super Tuesday is going to look like. It couldn't have been a worst grouping of states for him to build momentum off of, and he won't have time to even get the messaging out there that he is building something. His campaign today that they are going to spend "six figures" on the Super Tuesday states. Six figures spread out over 14 of some of the most populous states in the country is hella lol. The dude is broke and is going to get his head kicked in on Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
Wouldn't people quitting cut down the possibility of voting for "people they truly wanted to be the executive team?"

No.  If the similar candidates were paired/teamed together, it'd be easier to just vote for the team your favorite is on rather than having to worry if you're wasting a vote because your favorite won't get to 15% or whatever, or not even be running the next day.

Do you know or have heard of anyone voting at this point "to achieve a result based on pluralities and delegate schemes and who'll still be running weeks or months later?"

Yes, that's primarily what me and my dog's rehab techs talked about during the 20 minutes of water treadmill yesterday.

I haven't seen a Warren or Pete supporter say yet, well I like A, but I'm voting for B because my person is going to lose.

Does Klobuchar count?  This was the first one I saw on sys' timeline.

https://twitter.com/boardingsoon/status/1232669422705311744

I can identify that Bernie is going to win, but if I were voting on Super Tuesday I wouldn't vote for him. This process isn't any different than any other primary process has been. 2% of the delegates have been awarded to this point, I'm unclear as to why you think all of these people should be dropping out right now.

I'm waiting until the last possible minute to see what the field and numbers are before I pick, and it'll almost certainly be based on number manipulation as much as anything else including who I think will be best.

If not people dropping out earlier, maybe the primaries should go to a playoff/bracket system of one-on-one eliminations.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
Wouldn't people quitting cut down the possibility of voting for "people they truly wanted to be the executive team?"

No.  If the similar candidates were paired/teamed together, it'd be easier to just vote for the team your favorite is on rather than having to worry if you're wasting a vote because your favorite won't get to 15% or whatever, or not even be running the next day.

Do you know or have heard of anyone voting at this point "to achieve a result based on pluralities and delegate schemes and who'll still be running weeks or months later?"

Yes, that's primarily what me and my dog's rehab techs talked about during the 20 minutes of water treadmill yesterday.

I haven't seen a Warren or Pete supporter say yet, well I like A, but I'm voting for B because my person is going to lose.

Does Klobuchar count?  This was the first one I saw on sys' timeline.

https://twitter.com/boardingsoon/status/1232669422705311744

I can identify that Bernie is going to win, but if I were voting on Super Tuesday I wouldn't vote for him. This process isn't any different than any other primary process has been. 2% of the delegates have been awarded to this point, I'm unclear as to why you think all of these people should be dropping out right now.

I'm waiting until the last possible minute to see what the field and numbers are before I pick, and it'll almost certainly be based on number manipulation as much as anything else including who I think will be best.

If not people dropping out earlier, maybe the primaries should go to a playoff/bracket system of one-on-one eliminations.

You seem hell bent on going with this so I'm going to let you. I can't convince you that there are only two choices, so I won't. The next debate is right before your primary. Like everyone else who votes in a primary or caucus, you're going to base your vote on several factors, including who is in the race at the time. Candidate consolidation hasn't happened in our lifetime, seems weird to want, or even think it's a remote possibility or anything that would even be helpful now. I don't even get the point of this hypothetical.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2020, 09:03:46 PM
If Bernie fails to get Medicare 4 ALL and settles for a public option we will be where Obama wanted to be in '08. It would obviously be a vast improvement, but also a big disappointment. Why is this so hard to understand?
This is probably just a rehash of the previous convo with different verbiage.

It's interesting in that it makes it seem like support for Bernie is more about the right way for how to push progressivism than outcomes in his presidency (caveat being if you believe in Bernie as a messenger ect. you then believe he will achieve more and anyone else isn't effective because Obama proved it).

The right way to push progressivisim? What does that mean, either one has progressive ideals or they don't. The outcomes aren't controllable, to an extent anyway, the intent is. There is and should be a purity test for progressive candidates, in all political races. There was absolutely a purity test for the two conservative movements that both pushed America right (Contract with America and the Tea Party Movement), why wouldn't there be with progressives? What's the point of having a movement if you have leaders that don't truly believe in the message?

Incrementalism is not how progressive ideals are to be presented is what I come to with Bernie. Ties into a movement I suppose, not inspiring to say there will be steady progress that may be 3 steps forward and two steps back.

When you were trying to win your parties nomination, incrementalism isn't going to be presented by anyone. You're trying to separate yourself from other people with somewhat similar viewpoints. Why would you waist time discussing how you're going to compromise once your hopes and dreams won't work? Like you said selling a movement makes clarity on the message even more important. If he decided now, to start talking about concessions to MFA, that wouldn't be seen as a strong argument by anyone. The MFA opponents would talk about how it shows that he doesn't believe in his own plan. Pete did exactly this with Bernie and the filibuster on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
@sys, tell me by about 6pm on 3/10 who to vote for given all the factors as they are at that time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 27, 2020, 10:05:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1233220460122341376

something, something wine caves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 27, 2020, 10:09:48 PM
@sys, tell me by about 6pm on 3/10 who to vote for given all the factors as they are at that time.

right now the only candidates with a realistic (over 1%) chance of winning are sanders and biden, so whichever you prefer of those two.  if something changes in the race to make that no longer the case, it will certainly be discussed in this thread.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 27, 2020, 10:15:06 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2020, 10:23:25 PM
@sys, tell me by about 6pm on 3/10 who to vote for given all the factors as they are at that time.

right now the only candidates with a realistic (over 1%) chance of winning are sanders and biden, so whichever you prefer of those two.  if something changes in the race to make that no longer the case, it will certainly be discussed in this thread.

Biden, but if there's someone other than Biden I should vote for in order to help cause the requisite chaos where someone other than Sanders would get the nomination despite him having a plurality, I'd do that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2020, 10:24:40 PM
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Literal lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 27, 2020, 10:39:08 PM
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Good one slukeys

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 10:44:12 PM
Big Train left the joke at the station.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
 :lol:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 27, 2020, 10:52:45 PM
Beautiful

@sys's post
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2020, 01:18:25 AM
Love
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2020, 03:21:43 AM
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Holy crap, it took me a minute :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on February 28, 2020, 06:50:16 AM
lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
At what point does Bernie go to the “I couldn’t tank the market anymore than the current guy!”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on February 28, 2020, 12:56:12 PM
At what point does Bernie go to the “I couldn’t tank the market anymore than the current guy!”

I think the market is starting to react to Bern this way now.  I think its:
40% Reacting in concert with global exchanges;
20% Coronavirus reaction as it pertains to the US economy specifically;
20% Bernie Election;
20% Locking in a correction for a base to build from with a Trump re-election.

Granted, the first two are essentially tied together for the majority what's happening.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
At what point does Bernie go to the “I couldn’t tank the market anymore than the current guy!”

I think the market is starting to react to Bern this way now.  I think its:
40% Reacting in concert with global exchanges;
20% Coronavirus reaction as it pertains to the US economy specifically;
20% Bernie Election;
20% Locking in a correction for a base to build from with a Trump re-election.

Mainstream Dem power brokers absolutely terrified of a Bernie nomination.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 28, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1233220460122341376

something, something wine caves.

I’m pretty sure Liz actually said “well, all the MEN have one” when making excuses for her flip fop on PACs. Talk about amazing message discipline. :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 28, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on February 28, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
At what point does Bernie go to the “I couldn’t tank the market anymore than the current guy!”

I think the market is starting to react to Bern this way now.  I think its:
40% Reacting in concert with global exchanges;
20% Coronavirus reaction as it pertains to the US economy specifically;
20% Bernie Election;
20% Locking in a correction for a base to build from with a Trump re-election.

Mainstream Dem power brokers absolutely terrified of a Bernie nomination.

Why would they want him to be the nominee? He's only a Democrat when he runs for president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2020, 02:38:59 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.

To be fair, Trump could be doing A LOT more to curb US and global panic about the virus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 28, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.

To be fair, Trump could be doing A LOT more to curb US and global panic about the virus.

He already put Pence in charge of the virus what more do you want him to do?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.

Just wondering if you think Trump blaming market downturn on democrats is gross?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 02:56:44 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 28, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.

Just wondering if you think Trump blaming market downturn on democrats is gross?

No, it's true. See above (but I repeat myself). Do you really believe Dems don't want to pump the hysteria about this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PM
That one guy's sister  :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2020, 03:53:04 PM
https://twitter.com/MediumBuying/status/1233507696109932545
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 03:55:16 PM
if he loses SC he will call it imo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on February 28, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
if he loses SC he will call it imo
Wut? He's not on the ballot in SC.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 04:28:32 PM
if he loses SC he will call it imo
Wut? He's not on the ballot in SC.

Sorry, meant Biden


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2020, 04:46:59 PM
No one is leaving before Super Tuesday, it doesn't make sense to do so, there's only two day's difference, it costs nothing to stay in. The bloomberg news, if true, is surprising. It screams to me that he or his people have gotten word that something coming out  might be a bombshell. That coupled with how he's polling, may be a sign to call it, literally, a day. Tuesday, March, 3 will go down as the single most expensive bust in the history of the world, half a billy to be one and done.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
I don’t know how the mind of a billionaire works, but Ive got to think he still has a long term strategy here. They may be waiting to see if it’s worth continuing as a Democrat or going Independent, but I have a hard time believing Bloomberg thinks his bid might be over at this point when he hasn’t even been on most (any?) of the ballots so far.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2020, 05:39:47 PM
I think Biden is going to win SC big and continue on the basis that he can win The South.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2020, 05:46:26 PM
It’s going to be fun seeing who gets blamed as being the candidate propped up by pubs voting to sabotage the primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
No one is leaving before Super Tuesday, it doesn't make sense to do so, there's only two day's difference, it costs nothing to stay in. The bloomberg news, if true, is surprising. It screams to me that he or his people have gotten word that something coming out  might be a bombshell. That coupled with how he's polling, may be a sign to call it, literally, a day. Tuesday, March, 3 will go down as the single most expensive bust in the history of the world, half a billy to be one and done.
Pre-Corona scare he probably made enough to cover his spending over the time frame.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 06:55:55 PM
I think Biden is going to win SC big and continue on the basis that he can win The South.

Agreed. But if he loses SC he is 100% dead in the water.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on February 28, 2020, 07:22:18 PM
welcome to the big 12, biden campaign.

https://twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/1233548840134991885
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on February 28, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
:love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
welcome to the big 12, biden campaign.

https://twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/1233548840134991885

That's some sour grapes, and doesn't sound like someone planning to come back in the fall to try to win a swing state. What's funny about this is these Iowans are definitely Biden people, a simple candidate for simple, it's just that he ran a horrific campaign here. I told y'all in the fall that he was going to get his ass kicked. Pete and Amy scooped up the simple folks while Biden attempted the always winning plan of only pandering to black people in deeply red states.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 08:32:00 PM
folks

https://twitter.com/ryanbrooks/status/1233576807078801416
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
welcome to the big 12, biden campaign.

https://twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/1233548840134991885

incred
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 29, 2020, 09:51:20 AM
https://twitter.com/hawaawah/status/1233583578757423111?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 29, 2020, 12:19:11 PM
Tom should have let everyone know how cool he is before Iowa. It feels too little too late now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on February 29, 2020, 03:40:13 PM
Got Bloomberg fliers here  :excited:

Yeah they started coming in this week, 4 separate pieces in the mail just today
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 29, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
Congrats Joe on winning your First Ever Presidential Primary Ever! The race is now “reset” and we can look forward to a bloody, protracted limp to the convention! :woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 29, 2020, 11:38:42 PM
UIN loves their mega corrupt war mongering racists.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 29, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
UIN loves their mega corrupt war mongering racists.
It’s past midnight for a 40+ individual on a Saturday night. Yikes much :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 12:33:28 AM
https://twitter.com/SamBarloga/status/1233994476298948609

1357 delegates available this tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 03:12:15 AM
The do nothing boob did better than I thought he would in SC. That was as much of a demographic win as Pete's was in Iowa. The media is afraid to dismiss the overall impact of winning the black vote in South Carolina, I don't have those constraints. The rest of the states are much more savvy than needing Jim Clyburn to tell them who they need to vote for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 03:18:26 AM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2020, 07:18:39 AM
bloomy should through his financial support behind biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
I’ll be interested to see what impact, if any, this win has on 538’s model, but we could potentially be headed for the best scenario coming out of Super Tuesday: The Marxist Muppet clinging to a small lead with Uncle Joe and Mini Mike splitting the pie and close on his heels!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2020, 09:27:16 AM
Bernie raised $46 million in February
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2020, 09:40:55 AM
https://twitter.com/SamBarloga/status/1233994476298948609

1357 delegates available this tuesday.

It’s pretty crazy to realize only one delegate separates Klo and Warren. Especially considering the difference in fund raising.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2020, 09:41:46 AM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
I don't want to put words in MIR's mouth but I think he means progressive advancement. He had a really nice moderate 8 years imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2020, 09:51:18 AM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.

Steyer just dropped out. Add him to the list of richies that should throw their support behind Biden


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 01, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
UIN loves their mega corrupt war mongering racists.
It’s past midnight for a 40+ individual on a Saturday night. Yikes much :lol:

11:38pm is "Past Midnight".

You're so rough ridin' weird Da Big Psycho.

My lawd  :lol: :lol: :lol: and SMDH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 01:11:57 PM
UIN loves their mega corrupt war mongering racists.
It’s past midnight for a 40+ individual on a Saturday night. Yikes much :lol:

11:38pm is "Past Midnight".

You're so rough ridin' weird Da Big Psycho.

My lawd  :lol: :lol: :lol: and SMDH
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 01, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
11:38 Central.

Good Lawd  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 01, 2020, 01:22:19 PM
This “correction” is entirely about Covid 19 (cool name) and, more accurately, government and media hysteria to the virus. The markets DNGAF about Bernie at this point. It is pretty gross watching the Dem candidates trying to make this “Trump’s Katrina.” But politics gonna politics. In the meantime, now’s a sweet time to refinance and invest.

Yeah, only Republicans can manufacture fear and hysteria!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1234182970073894913

this would be a dream come true for biden and would imply a substantial bounce from south carolina.  i think it is still more likely that we'll get something more like a 300 delegate lead for sanders after super tuesday.

so much of it is dependent on how soft bloomberg's support is and if three days is enough time for pragmatic voters to realize that voting for bloomberg helps sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 01, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.

Steyer just dropped out. Add him to the list of richies that should throw their support behind Biden


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He should have thrown his money on Senate races.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 05:17:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1234255699959480320
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/1234255209771212801
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2020, 05:28:10 PM
Must have been a nice pay day to drop out before Super Tuesday
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2020, 05:31:21 PM
I will miss him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Boooooo! Are we sure about this? Are there any wine caves in South Bend?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2020, 05:43:54 PM
Warren needs to drop out and endorse Bernie. But it looks like she isn’t.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 05:44:20 PM
I think as long as Warren and Bloomberg stay in, Super Tuesday should still be a huge mess. Right? :nervous:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 05:47:41 PM
i've been a huge critic, obviously, but respect buttigieg's decision here.  it was the obvious move, and he should be well rewarded if biden wins, but still not an easy thing to do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 05:55:18 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1234262710398980096
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2020, 05:58:50 PM
I think as long as Warren and Bloomberg stay in, Super Tuesday should still be a huge mess. Right? :nervous:

It is a two-person race between Bernie and Biden. Not sure what you think about that.  Bernie will win the most delegates Tuesday, but if he loses Texas and Biden sweeps the South, it is going to be a slog and Biden will likely win a war of attrition with the backing of the entire establishment. That is probably the best you can hope for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Say it ain't so, Pete!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
I think as long as Warren and Bloomberg stay in, Super Tuesday should still be a huge mess. Right? :nervous:

It is a two-person race between Bernie and Biden. Not sure what you think about that.  Bernie will win the most delegates Tuesday, but if he loses Texas and Biden sweeps the South, it is going to be a slog and Biden will likely win a war of attrition with the backing of the entire establishment. That is probably the best you can hope for.

Ok - so does that mean a lot of enraged Bernie Bros voting 3P, and libs spending billions more on a primary season? This sounds appealing.

Do you think Liz will give her concession speech Tuesday night? I’m planning a watch party and trying to figure out how late into the night we might be going here.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1234262710398980096

Good. We need to get some younger voices in our government.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 06:44:46 PM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.

Bloomie was just on 60 Minutes, of course he had an ad that ran right before his segment started. One of the shots of him on the commercial had him standing in front of a podium that said "Mike for Black America." I can't begin to explain the burning rage I have when I see stuff like that. The entire thought process is just so frustrating. I would rather a candidate just not give a crap, like Klo and Pete. Of course the candidates that are worst about this are the candidates who have to pander (Trump, Biden, Bloomberg) because their policies are weak. You don't hear Steyer, Sanders, or Warren pulling this bullshit, because they don't have to. Sanders looks to have learned from his all lives matter gaffe four years ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
Good decision Pete. Throw in with old AF Diamond Joe.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 06:45:45 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1234182970073894913

this would be a dream come true for biden and would imply a substantial bounce from south carolina.  i think it is still more likely that we'll get something more like a 300 delegate lead for sanders after super tuesday.

so much of it is dependent on how soft bloomberg's support is and if three days is enough time for pragmatic voters to realize that voting for bloomberg helps sanders.

I 100% agree with you, sys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 06:52:32 PM
Must have been a nice pay day to drop out before Super Tuesday

He's out of money and didn't see a path. He didn't get paid but it's a massive Eff You to Bernie. This was also the best thing to stay in the good graces of the Democratic establishment, he's now too big for South Bend. I think he stays in if Indiana was a part of Super Tuesday, I think this is why Klo is staying. Liz still blindly sees a path, and Massachusetts, which she's going to lose, is in Super Tuesday. She'll probably benefit the most with Pete dipping. I am less bullish on Bernie with this news, I thought the longer the field was wide, the better his chances were. If Liz is remotely interested in getting a progressive to win the nomination she'll dip Wednesday morning and immediately back Bernie, she can't sit out like others who have quit. I'll be interested to see if she drops quickly, they attempted a big fundraising push this weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 01, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
What kind of people prefer Biden to Pete, good grief.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 06:53:50 PM
What kind of people prefer Biden to Pete, good grief.

Olds and black people in red states
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 06:58:33 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshGartner/status/1234274581411704832
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 01, 2020, 06:58:43 PM
why do crats give a crap which crat wins a red state, seems like results that should be thrown out of the equation in preference of who does well in swing states
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.

Bloomie was just on 60 Minutes, of course he had an ad that ran right before his segment started. One of the shots of him on the commercial had him standing in front of a podium that said "Mike for Black America." I can't begin to explain the burning rage I have when I see stuff like that. The entire thought process is just so frustrating. I would rather a candidate just not give a crap, like Klo and Pete. Of course the candidates that are worst about this are the candidates who have to pander (Trump, Biden, Bloomberg) because their policies are weak. You don't hear Steyer, Sanders, or Warren pulling this bullshit, because they don't have to. Sanders looks to have learned from his all lives matter gaffe four years ago.

Seriously MIR, you seem reasonably intelligent, but also in some ways hopelessly naive. If you don’t like it when politicians pander to black people, why in the holy eff’ing hell do you support any Democrat?! That is the party’s primary MO. Do you really believe that Sanders and Warren don’t do this? I suspect a quick google search would provide ample evidence to the contrary. If you want actual color-blind policies and governance, you’re in the wrong party friend. Now granted, of course Trump is pandering the crap out of black people (he may be out-pandering the Dems), but that’s because Trump is first and foremost a political opportunist and he’s gonna use every weapon he can even if it comes from the Dem playbook. But conservativism is color blind. The essence of progressivism is lumping people into victim groups.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 01, 2020, 07:11:14 PM
why do crats give a crap which crat wins a red state, seems like results that should be thrown out of the equation in preference of who does well in swing states

This could be said for both parties. It’s such a stupid way to pick the strongest nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 07:12:21 PM
why do crats give a crap which crat wins a red state, seems like results that should be thrown out of the equation in preference of who does well in swing states

 :ck: You have to make people feel like their vote counts the same, as stupid as that logic is
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 07:16:37 PM
The worst part of the Biden win tonight is the collective ass kissing of the Obama presidency. I guess it doesn't take long to blackwash his actual record, especially on the lack of advancement of cornerstone Democrat social issues. His presidency was almost identical to GWBs. His only tangible advancement was nearly completely decimated before he even left office. But black president, YAY!

Fixed the economy.
I've been hearing Biden, Steyer, and Bloomberg ads on my local rap station. The Biden one mentions Obama like 15 times but does mention Obamacare and saving the economy as well. The Biden and Bloomy ones sound pretty similar because neither one talks, they have a black announcer saying everything. I know this happens with all sorts of ads but it seems like the political ads seem most out of place. I also might notice it more because I've really only been seeing Bloomberg TV ads.

Bloomie was just on 60 Minutes, of course he had an ad that ran right before his segment started. One of the shots of him on the commercial had him standing in front of a podium that said "Mike for Black America." I can't begin to explain the burning rage I have when I see stuff like that. The entire thought process is just so frustrating. I would rather a candidate just not give a crap, like Klo and Pete. Of course the candidates that are worst about this are the candidates who have to pander (Trump, Biden, Bloomberg) because their policies are weak. You don't hear Steyer, Sanders, or Warren pulling this bullshit, because they don't have to. Sanders looks to have learned from his all lives matter gaffe four years ago.

Seriously MIR, you seem reasonably intelligent, but also in some ways hopelessly naive. If you don’t like it when politicians pander to black people, why in the holy eff’ing hell do you support any Democrat?! That is the party’s primary MO. Do you really believe that Sanders and Warren don’t do this? I suspect a quick google search would provide ample evidence to the contrary. If you want actual color-blind policies and governance, you’re in the wrong party friend. Now granted, of course Trump is pandering the crap out of black people (he may be out-pandering the Dems), but that’s because Trump is first and foremost a political opportunist and he’s gonna use every weapon he can even if it comes from the Dem playbook.

I know you're mega dumb, so I'll talk slow, in hopes you understand this.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
Must have been a nice pay day to drop out before Super Tuesday

He's out of money and didn't see a path. He didn't get paid but it's a massive Eff You to Bernie. This was also the best thing to stay in the good graces of the Democratic establishment, he's now too big for South Bend. I think he stays in if Indiana was a part of Super Tuesday, I think this is why Klo is staying. Liz still blindly sees a path, and Massachusetts, which she's going to lose, is in Super Tuesday. She'll probably benefit the most with Pete dipping. I am less bullish on Bernie with this news, I thought the longer the field was wide, the better his chances were. If Liz is remotely interested in getting a progressive to win the nomination she'll dip Wednesday morning and immediately back Bernie, she can't sit out like others who have quit. I'll be interested to see if she drops quickly, they attempted a big fundraising push this weekend.

Think he is going to get offered a cabinet spot or something decent in the admin for doing his part?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 07:32:18 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1234258266936528896

i expect sanders and biden will get a greater share of buttigieg's voters than is indicated in 2nd choice polls.  from my own direct experience, you may be willing to continue supporting your first choice even when it is obvious they aren't going to win, but that doesn't mean you will choose to do the same for the candidate you like second best.

still, all three non-sanders candidates should benefit and collectively limit sanders delegate haul by a good bit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 01, 2020, 08:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1234299079573803010

donors are obviously much more tuned in and reactive than are voters, but i imagine you're seeing similar, although more muted, reaction among super tuesday voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
Must have been a nice pay day to drop out before Super Tuesday

He's out of money and didn't see a path. He didn't get paid but it's a massive Eff You to Bernie. This was also the best thing to stay in the good graces of the Democratic establishment, he's now too big for South Bend. I think he stays in if Indiana was a part of Super Tuesday, I think this is why Klo is staying. Liz still blindly sees a path, and Massachusetts, which she's going to lose, is in Super Tuesday. She'll probably benefit the most with Pete dipping. I am less bullish on Bernie with this news, I thought the longer the field was wide, the better his chances were. If Liz is remotely interested in getting a progressive to win the nomination she'll dip Wednesday morning and immediately back Bernie, she can't sit out like others who have quit. I'll be interested to see if she drops quickly, they attempted a big fundraising push this weekend.

Think he is going to get offered a cabinet spot or something decent in the admin for doing his part?

Of all the reasons for Pete to drop out, my guess is that he felt it improved his chances of winning the presidency down the line vs staying in this year and most likely fizzling out. Like MIR said earlier, it doesn’t make much sense for a candidate to drop out between SC and Super Tuesday. The exception to that is if they want to make a statement. My guess is this was always the plan barring some miracle in NV.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
I wonder if Pete will try to remain a public figure after this. And, how so?

I'm still curious about what he'll do. Host a game show?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1234262710398980096

Good. We need to get some younger voices in our government.

He’s seriously younger than Bloomberg? I’m increasingly convinced there’s just something not right with him other than being old.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2020, 09:04:11 PM
I wonder if Pete will try to remain a public figure after this. And, how so?

I'm still curious about what he'll do. Host a game show?

Senate seems like a popular choice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2020, 09:05:01 PM
Biden looks like a corpse.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 01, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
Biden looks like a corpse.

The youngest corpse in the field!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2020, 11:38:25 PM
Bloomberg ran a 3 minute ad during primetime tonight about the Coronavirus. I guess it was attempt to show him making a presidential address but it was horrawful. He has the charisma of freezing fog.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9Np94AHGjx/?igshid=17l0d2a0a2xb7 (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9Np94AHGjx/?igshid=17l0d2a0a2xb7)

My man out here just lighting money on fire. This single ad was a $2.5 million buy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 02, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
Bloomberg should help Biden beat Trump, and use his money to take over the Knicks.  He'd be a superhero.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 02, 2020, 05:56:42 AM
Bloomberg ran a 3 minute ad during primetime tonight about the Coronavirus. I guess it was attempt to show him making a presidential address but it was horrawful. He has the charisma of freezing fog.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9Np94AHGjx/?igshid=17l0d2a0a2xb7 (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9Np94AHGjx/?igshid=17l0d2a0a2xb7)

My man out here just lighting money on fire. This single ad was a $2.5 million buy.


zomg stealing this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 06:33:06 AM
Looking forward to ChiCom Joe sitting down and hammering out some good things with Deng Xiaoping. 




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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 02, 2020, 06:38:16 AM
Looking forward to ChiCom Joe sitting down and hammering out some good things with Deng Xiaoping. 

More importantly, though, WHERE'S HUNTER!?!?!?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
Looking forward to ChiCom Joe sitting down and hammering out some good things with Deng Xiaoping. 

More importantly, though, WHERE'S HUNTER!?!?!?

Assuring the Chinese that their billions of dollars are in good hands with him and his firm.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 08:30:19 AM
These pieces make Bernie fan bois lose their minds with rage


https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1234485803499360257


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2020, 09:23:31 AM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
You think because someone’s not a Democrat that makes them a conservative?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 10:52:16 AM
You think because someone’s not a Democrat that makes them a conservative?

I think KSU should consult SD and Limestone about his logic(nonsense).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
Republicans are the party of color-blind policies - lol talk about naive, good grief dub
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.
This might be the dumbest conclusion ever.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 02, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
I like that dub is choosing right now to pitch the GOP
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2020, 11:12:59 AM
neither party is color blind.  It is upon the voter to decide which one is pandering to them less with the assumption both are looking to take advantage of your demographics to convince you that said party is the party that best represents you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
Dub, pay no mind, these RUIN's belong to a party that considers it extremely racist to question any (D, and only D) politician of color on policy and political belief.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 11:30:09 AM
BTW - “Color blind” policies basically by definition are those that disproportionately benefit advantaged groups.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
Pubs  are a bunch of crybabies and whiney pain in the asses.  Just read some of Dax's posts if you have any questions of proof.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:46:51 AM
Pubs  are a bunch of crybabies and whiney pain in the asses.  Just read some of Dax's posts if you have any questions of proof.

From a member of a party that's been in a 250 Megaton Meltdown for over 3 years.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Pubs  are a bunch of crybabies and whiney pain in the asses.  Just read some of Dax's posts if you have any questions of proof.

This is them when they are winning, too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 11:56:46 AM
dax no one knows what UIN means
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 11:57:56 AM
dax no one knows what UIN means

I don’t know what tons of dax’isms refer to but appreciate them for existing


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Pubs  are a bunch of crybabies and whiney pain in the asses.  Just read some of Dax's posts if you have any questions of proof.

This is them when they are winning, too.

They love the attention.  They gave Rush an award for being the biggest whiney baby of all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2020, 12:29:19 PM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.

Did you miss the part where I said I'm not a democrat? I should stop making fun of you as you might legitimately be brain damaged.

I also love how when Republicans talk about the democratic party and race, they talk about crap from before anyone was alive. The Tammany Hall thing KSUW is mentioning here took place in the 1790's-early 1800's. What they are asking you is to remember things like that, or things like the KKK being founded and ran by democrats. But we're supposed to forget
1. The klan are currently all MAGA.
2. The president compared skinheads favorably with people protesting against said skinheads
3. The president banned black people from entering the country from the Bahamas, trying to escape the aftermath of a serious hurricane.
4. The president adding Nigeria to his banned countries list.
5. George W. Bush and his war on Islam and stocking his administration with Islamaphobes.
6. George H.W. Bush running a campaign ad so racist that even Roger Stone told him that it was racist and he's die regretting it.
7. Ronald Reagan and his racist sentencing guidelines in his racist war on drugs.
8. Ronald Reagan's welfare queens.
9. Ronald Reagan calling black people monkeys.
10. Richard Nixon changing the republican party by using dog whistles to attract dixiecrats disenchanted by civil rights legislation.

So I have to forget all that above, and more because the Democratic Party, to which I don't even belong, were founded, before emancipation, by racists.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
Useful Idiot Nation


Useful Idiot Nation:  1128 days of rage because Hillary didn't win the election . . . and counting

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 12:31:40 PM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.

Did you miss the part where I said I'm not a democrat? I should stop making fun of you as you might legitimately be brain damaged.

I also love how when Republicans talk about the democratic party and race, they talk about crap from before anyone was alive. The Tammany Hall thing KSUW is mentioning here took place in the 1790's-early 1800's. What they are asking you is to remember things like that, or things like the KKK being founded and ran by democrats. But we're supposed to forget
1. The klan are currently all MAGA.
2. The president compared skinheads favorably with people protesting against said skinheads
3. The president banned black people from entering the country from the Bahamas, trying to escape the aftermath of a serious hurricane.
4. The president adding Nigeria to his banned countries list.
5. George W. Bush and his war on Islam and stocking his administration with Islamaphobes.
6. George H.W. Bush running a campaign ad so racist that even Roger Stone told him that it was racist and he's die regretting it.
7. Ronald Reagan and his racist sentencing guidelines in his racist war on drugs.
8. Ronald Reagan's welfare queens.
9. Ronald Reagan calling black people monkeys.
10. Richard Nixon changing the republican party by using dog whistles to attract dixiecrats disenchanted by civil rights legislation.

So I have to forget all that above, and more because the Democratic Party, to which I don't even belong, were founded, before emancipation, by racists.

You forgot black dude Barry Obama, bombing, refugee'ing and deporting the crap out of brown people.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 12:35:30 PM
Joe Biden's full fledged support of the Clinton's "We will bring them to heal" draconian sentencing legislation which clearly targeted one specific racial demographic.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 02, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
 :Woot:

https://twitter.com/JasJWright/status/1234546859617603584
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 12:47:09 PM
bernie needs liz to bail out and save him but I don't think she will near term. going to be a photo finish folks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on March 02, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 12:51:27 PM
eff that slut!   :shakesfist:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2020, 12:52:34 PM
The party has made their move, it's time Liz.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

rough ridin' golden goats still running this country.  :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 12:54:34 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 12:57:35 PM
Can't we get an gen. X or BB in their 50's/60's range with enough brains and know how to get elected.  The old bastard billionaires are running this country into a failed government.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

Biden's stuttering and lost of thought are troublesome.  Trump is just a set in his ways dumbfuck.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 01:05:52 PM
The party of progression:   2016:  Old White Racist War Monger  2020:   Old Communist, an old mega corrupt racist war monger former VP, and a Billionaire.





Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 01:06:33 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 01:15:38 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.

I mean I trust he would surround himself with smart/good people.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2020, 01:16:05 PM
I kind of like that Biden has a good relationship with china.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 01:24:14 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.

I mean I trust he would surround himself with smart/good people.

yeah all of the candidates would do that

although biden might surround himself with people who like bombing brown people more than the others
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
The party of progression:   2016:  Old White Racist War Monger  2020:   Old tCommunisSocialist, an old mega corrupt racist war monger former VP, and a Billionaire.

FYP  :blush:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Grand old Party:  Old hard headed billionaire Orange Man.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.

I mean I trust he would surround himself with smart/good people.

yeah all of the candidates would do that

although biden might surround himself with people who like bombing brown people more than the others

Disagree. May want to re-read what you’re responding to berniebrocat.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.

I mean I trust he would surround himself with smart/good people.

yeah all of the candidates would do that

although biden might surround himself with people who like bombing brown people more than the others

Disagree. May want to re-read what you’re responding to berniebrocat.


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yeah I know. I already told you what you mean. (and nailed it). because there's nothing that would make you think biden will surround himself with more smart and good people than the others other than their policy positions
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 01:49:34 PM
so we got a 70, 77 and 78 year old left to take on a 73 year old.

every one of them is too old to govern. liz is spry for 70 and bernie's shockingly spry for 78 but still both ancient. meanwhile trump and joe are dementia'ing before our eyes. I trust Joe to surround himself with actual smart/good people I guess, which is the key for any ancient fossil to be successful.

I think you mean he'd surround himself with folks that would maintain the status quo... I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do that too.

I mean I trust he would surround himself with smart/good people.

yeah all of the candidates would do that

although biden might surround himself with people who like bombing brown people more than the others

Disagree. May want to re-read what you’re responding to berniebrocat.


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yeah I know. I already told you what you mean. (and nailed it). because there's nothing that would make you think biden will surround himself with more smart and good people than the others other than their policy positions

I'm going to keep letting you work through it readingcomprehensioncat
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 01:57:16 PM
I would rather not
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 02:07:55 PM
I would rather not

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2020, 02:51:03 PM
Is it possible that Pete and Klo dropping out actually increases the odds of a brokered convention? What of them dropping out helps the Final Four all get above the 15% threshold in more states, and this results in a more even division of delegates? So while throwing their support behind Biden may help blunt the Bern on Tuesday, night it actually encourage Bloomy and Warren to stay in the race longer if they get more delegates as a result?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Liz is really dragging down the average age of the remaining field.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 03:00:22 PM
So am I just supposed to vote for POS Bloomberg now? I’d vote Biden over Trump in the general but I’d prefer at least one of the candidates not have dementia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 03:12:02 PM
So am I just supposed to vote for POS Bloomberg now? I’d vote Biden over Trump in the general but I’d prefer at least one of the candidates not have dementia.

Bernie doesn’t seem to have Dementia yet?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 03:12:59 PM
Yeah but I’m not a socialist also.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 03:13:25 PM
Biden's the only one who really seems to struggle with stuff like talking

https://twitter.com/kallllisti/status/1234579682063867904?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 03:14:36 PM
Yeah but I’m not a socialist also.

So you don’t like socialists OR dementia patients? There is no pleasing some of you people.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

I meant in office, as in someone I have to listen to for 4 or 8 years. Bernie and Bloomberg would be very boring.

I don't think Trump will debate whoever the nominee is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 02, 2020, 03:36:40 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Then you need to vote on Super Thursday, pub.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
I mean Trump IS very entertaining
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

I meant in office, as in someone I have to listen to for 4 or 8 years. Bernie and Bloomberg would be very boring.

I don't think Trump will debate whoever the nominee is.

I think Trump would debate Bloomberg as a fellow terrible debater and guy who doesn’t need visibility or donors to keep poking Trump in the eye regardless.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 02, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.
there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

(https://media.giphy.com/media/45IgGzGbLGRZC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2020, 04:21:32 PM
So am I just supposed to vote for POS Bloomberg now? I’d vote Biden over Trump in the general but I’d prefer at least one of the candidates not have dementia.

Biden committed to only serving 1 term, iirc, so he's not a bad choice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

I meant in office, as in someone I have to listen to for 4 or 8 years. Bernie and Bloomberg would be very boring.

I don't think Trump will debate whoever the nominee is.

You think Trump will skip the debates? Interesting. I don’t see Trump passing up the free airtime.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

I meant in office, as in someone I have to listen to for 4 or 8 years. Bernie and Bloomberg would be very boring.

I don't think Trump will debate whoever the nominee is.

You think Trump will skip the debates? Interesting. I don’t see Trump passing up the free airtime.
He gets all the free air time he wants. He's the President.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Is it possible that Pete and Klo dropping out actually increases the odds of a brokered convention? What of them dropping out helps the Final Four all get above the 15% threshold in more states, and this results in a more even division of delegates?

if their votes scattered, it could have that effect, but i expect voters will perceive the events from 2/29-3/3 as a signal that the race is collapsing to two viable candidates and biden and sanders will both disproportionately benefit from all three of undecided voters, realigning voters and voters leaving weaker candidates still in the race.

my guess is that both warren and especially bloomberg will underperform their pre-south carolina poll numbers tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2020, 04:41:30 PM
why skip the debates?  there is no downside.  His base is insane or super dumb and even if he gets destroyed they will spin it into a huge win.  He could literally poop in the diaper he wears and magas would call it a proud alpha crap that he took to stink out Biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
the 528 model, which doesn't make those assumptions (afaik), has the odds of no one getting a majority of delegates at 69%, though.  so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2020, 05:25:19 PM
the 528 model, which doesn't make those assumptions (afaik), has the odds of no one getting a majority of delegates at 69%, though.  so.

Have those odds increased since Pete and Klo dropped out? I think maybe they have.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 02, 2020, 05:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1234569358157938693
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 02, 2020, 05:43:59 PM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.

"Black people who continue to be democrats aren't thinking people." --K-S-U-Dubz
:sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2020, 05:44:18 PM
Debates for the general election will be  waste of time. People are going to know who they’re voting for in November the moment a Dem candidate is decided.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
MIR - I’m not going to keep the quote-chain going, but I just wanted to respond that you’re about halfway toward becoming a conservative. You’ve already recognized the Dem party for the racist pandering patronizing frauds they are. I predict within the next 5 years you’ll come to realize that the “policies” advanced by the Dems aren’t really in your best interest, either. No thinking person sticks with the party of Tammany Hall forever. Welcome in advance, brother.

"Black people who continue to be democrats aren't thinking people." --K-S-U-Dubz
:sdeek:

How many examples do we need to post of upper middle class (and up) white libs making it sound like black people are just too dumb to take care of themselves or understand complicated things?



Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2020, 06:41:18 PM
It’s an old fashioned stupid white guy explains that actually it’s the other stupid white guy who is the racist off!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on March 02, 2020, 06:55:00 PM


https://twitter.com/DavidLWalters/status/1234608499130236928?s=19

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2020, 08:06:26 PM
Beto endorses Biden.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Sys, come get your boy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 08:12:03 PM
It’s an old fashioned stupid white guy explains that actually it’s the other stupid white guy who is the racist off!


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You've sucked complete ass lately, more than usual.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 02, 2020, 08:13:21 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
Da Big Psycho tries to gurgle in on the middle, as always.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
Beto endorses Biden.

legit surprised.  was great to hear him speak again tonight though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Have those odds increased since Pete and Klo dropped out? I think maybe they have.

yeah, the odds went up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:01:13 PM
Not the least bit surprised that Sys Whack-A-Doo's guy endorsed the mega corrupt racist war monger Joe Biden.

Beto . . . just another cog in the Dem Establishment who attempted (poorly) to try and make himself appear different.   



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:11:39 PM
Trash people eating trash burgers

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1234700728821743617?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2020, 11:13:27 PM
Awesome
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:15:13 PM
Awesome

Looking forward to LibDork.9 lying about his write in vote . . . again.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2020, 11:19:22 PM
it's very sad to see you begging for attention like this, I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
it's very sad to see you begging for attention like this, I'll just leave it at that.

Because your party is attempting to take a crap on Comrade Bernie again?   Or that Beto comes out and supports a guy who is clearly extremely corrupt, a war monger and a racist?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 02, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
Yikes  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 11:26:55 PM
that's great.  i feel better about having to vote for biden already.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 11:35:03 PM
sys!

https://twitter.com/DonteStallworth/status/1234689675484418048?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:38:13 PM
Joe Biden:  Champion of "We will bring them (black people) to heal"

SMDH

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 11:39:18 PM
i remember it.  didn't think going after biden was a good strategy at the time and i'm glad they abandoned it after just the one interview.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2020, 11:41:25 PM
sys!

https://twitter.com/DonteStallworth/status/1234689675484418048?s=20

Just a re-affirmation of what a disingenuous twit this guy is.
 
Beto supporters:  Peak Useful Idiot

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 02, 2020, 11:44:41 PM
i remember it.  didn't think going after biden was a good strategy at the time and i'm glad they abandoned it after just the one interview.

what's beto's endgame here?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 02, 2020, 11:46:08 PM
don't know!  i'm very surprised that he endorsed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 01:10:04 AM
I'm not enthusiastic about any of the candidates anymore. I guess Joe, for entertainment value.

Bernie v. trump was going to be a blast but Biden is a decent second.

Pete was a decent darkhorse because there is literally no way trump doesn't go to gay slams at some point

I meant in office, as in someone I have to listen to for 4 or 8 years. Bernie and Bloomberg would be very boring.

I don't think Trump will debate whoever the nominee is.

You think Trump will skip the debates? Interesting. I don’t see Trump passing up the free airtime.

He'd debate Biden for sure, Bernie 50/50, he'd avoid Bloomie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 01:34:23 AM
sys, my god man, have some self respect. How in the hell do you go running full speed ahead with someone who positions himself as a movement, an iconoclast, then just settle on Joe Biden?

So I've listened to Biden make the media rounds the past two days. He's had favorable interviews given the wave of good news. However, and I want to be clear I'm not saying this for effect, he legitimately might be dumber than Trump. I've heard five interviews and the guy simply isn't capable of conveying any clear policy position at all.

I have no idea what his plan is for the economy, Obama apparently put him in charge of the stimulus.
He continues to talk about Obamacare even though it's already been completely stripped down and what's left of it will be ruled unconstitutional in 2021.
Foreign policy? "The foreign leaders know me and like me." Never mind many of them have changed the last 4 years or will change soon enough.
Education? Nothing
Gun control? Nothing
Criminal justice reform?
Campaign finance reform?
We know he isn't in favor of eliminating the filibuster.

I know that I've been clowning Bloomberg, but he's absolutely a better candidate than Biden, there shouldn't even be a question about that. I can't believe what I'm seeing from the establishment democrats, it's astonishing. They saw four years ago that Hillary couldn't turn people out so they've decided to go with the same playbook, but like 50 times dumber. I already knew Klobuchar was a boot licking opportunist. Pete and Beto surprise me though, I guess it shouldn't they both see $$$ that they currently don't have by going all the way establishment.

If Bernie doesn't win this nomination, and they won't let him with a plurality, the progressives should leave the party and join me in going green.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 01:53:46 AM
I went to Twitter to try to find a clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing Bernie tonight, I wanted to post him saying that he'll insist the DNC adopt M4A are the convention if he's the nominee. I was stunned at how incredibly angry and dim, Sanders supporters are on twitter. Nearly all of them complained about Bernie being treated unfairly during this interview, some making thinly veiled homophobic slurs, some saying Cooper is red pilling Bernie, it's amazing. Look at this interview and tell me if you think Anderson Cooper is mistreating Bernie. Watching it earlier tonight, I thought the interview was great and didn't feature any grandstanding by either man.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/PtDDzsB8a3I[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/0KbPK-47QMk[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 02:33:42 AM
sys, my god man, have some self respect. How in the hell do you go running full speed ahead with someone who positions himself as a movement, an iconoclast, then just settle on Joe Biden?

i said when beto dropped out that i'd write in beto unless it seemed like my vote might have some electoral consequence, in which case i'd vote for the surviving moderate.  unfortunately, the race is still very much in the air and i have to vote for biden.  i'd much rather write in beto.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 02:56:26 AM
sys, my god man, have some self respect. How in the hell do you go running full speed ahead with someone who positions himself as a movement, an iconoclast, then just settle on Joe Biden?

i said when beto dropped out that i'd write in beto unless it seemed like my vote might have some electoral consequence, in which case i'd vote for the surviving moderate.  unfortunately, the race is still very much in the air and i have to vote for biden.  i'd much rather write in beto.

You don't think that Bloomberg is a better moderate though? Aren't you an environment guy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 03:04:54 AM
i don't think so, but i haven't looked at them that carefully.  bloomberg as a 0.4% chance of winning and biden has a 40% chance.  i may as well write in beto as vote for bloomberg.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 04:14:21 AM
Everyone seems to be handling this very well


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 04:43:18 AM
Maybe Liz will become disgusted with the piling on for Joe and get behind Bernie. Too little too late after Supy Tupy?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
lmao


https://twitter.com/ogrods/status/1234671291447140353


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 03, 2020, 05:39:38 AM
His brain is gone and magas love it

https://twitter.com/minhtngo/status/1234712894115172356?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 06:22:18 AM
He represents his base about perfectly unfortunately


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 06:28:57 AM
Maybe Liz will become disgusted with the piling on for Joe and get behind Bernie. Too little too late after Supy Tupy?


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I'd rather her stay in, but doesn't seem likely she'd win over progressives, I could see moderates warming to her.

I think the moderates are stuck with old AF Biden at this point. Agree that she would be a comfy mod but she’s dead in the water.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 06:45:07 AM
Biden may crush


https://twitter.com/forecasterenten/status/1234818015776124929


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 08:16:30 AM
PNAC'ers (still very alive in spirit) appear to be putting their weight behind their guy, the Democratic parties primary champion of the Iraq war, mega corrupt super racist war monger: ChiCom Joe Biden:  Shakedown mogul of the Ukraine

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1234442487361568769?s=20

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 08:35:46 AM
BTW, Happy Super Thursday Everybody!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2020, 08:37:11 AM
BTW, Happy Super Thursday Everybody!

Doesn’t even know what day it is :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 08:40:22 AM
nice work idiots


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
BTW, Happy Super Thursday Everybody!

Doesn’t even know what day it is :frown:

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
:D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 08:41:58 AM
 :lol: @stevedave

Lighten up . . . . Francis

FFS
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 03, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Joe Biden's full fledged support of the Clinton's "We will bring them to heal" draconian sentencing legislation which clearly targeted one specific racial demographic.

You know it is "heel" not "heal" right?  Is this a dax-ism I don't know about?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Joe Biden's full fledged support of the Clinton's "We will bring them to heal" draconian sentencing legislation which clearly targeted one specific racial demographic.

You know it is "heel" not "heal" right?  Is this a dax-ism I don't know about?

I think he was talking about Obamacare.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2020, 09:02:50 AM
Joe Biden's full fledged support of the Clinton's "We will bring them to heal" draconian sentencing legislation which clearly targeted one specific racial demographic.

You know it is "heel" not "heal" right?  Is this a dax-ism I don't know about?

He's been corrected before, but it's not like daxbot will admit to being wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 09:19:46 AM
When you've got nothing, attack auto correct.

Nice work RUIN's
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 03, 2020, 09:24:37 AM
His brain is gone and magas love it

https://twitter.com/minhtngo/status/1234712894115172356?s=19

SMDH at people who don’t get what he is referring to. Actually pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 09:25:53 AM
it's not like daxbot will admit to being wrong.

auto correct
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 09:28:58 AM
Sorry that your party is doing everything they can to disenfranchise you guys (again).   

You'll always have spelling.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 03, 2020, 09:29:48 AM
When you've got nothing, attack auto correct.

Nice work RUIN's
It has autocorrected roughly a dozen times then. FYAC!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
His brain is gone and magas love it

https://twitter.com/minhtngo/status/1234712894115172356?s=19

SMDH at people who don’t get what he is referring to. Actually pretty funny.

Do you honestly think people don't get what he's referring to? I'd say trump is more confused than mocat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 03, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
Actually pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 03, 2020, 11:10:54 AM
Biden? :zzz:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
of the insanely dumb things he has said, that doesn't even rank
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 11:45:44 AM
Biden? :zzz:

I don't know why people think Biden will do better than Hillary. congrats K-Dub
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
I don't know why people think Biden will do better than Hillary.

The swing state pubs who prefer not to vote for Trump again but can only stomach voting for a select few Democrats like Biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
I don't know why people think Biden will do better than Hillary. congrats K-Dub

because people are tired of trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 03, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.  I suppose the level of dumb tweets would go down.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 12:16:27 PM
The Biden drop off and surge is amazing, but that's also a crazy inverse with Sanders.

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1234818710797504512
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.  I suppose the level of dumb tweets would go down.

Border policy would be better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
I don't know why people think Biden will do better than Hillary. congrats K-Dub

because people are tired of trump.
You think swing state voters who voted Trump 2016 are tired of Trump and will switch? Seems pretty flimsy, I think the Trump presidency has gone exactly how everyone thought it would go, or you have folks like dax who have rationalized any possible disappointment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:24:08 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.  I suppose the level of dumb tweets would go down.

Border policy would be better.
Foreign policy might be worse (seriously)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.

no offense, wetwillie, but that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.

People who hate brown people and good looking people having sex without babies love Trump.  Also farmers who get free money
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:27:17 PM
The Biden drop off and surge is amazing, but that's also a crazy inverse with Sanders.

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1234818710797504512

kerry after iowa would have looked a lot like that if people had known how to make graphs back then.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:30:09 PM
The Biden drop off and surge is amazing, but that's also a crazy inverse with Sanders.

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1234818710797504512

These 538 models are really dumb, these swings are indicative of the fact that these models are simply throwing darts at a board in the dark. There is literally nothing that has happened that should have swung the model that far. Biden grossly underperformed in each state leading up to SC. Even if you want to say that he over performed there, that doesn't not only negate his previous poor performance but negates Bernie's performances as well. And LMAO if they are incorporating those endorsements into this model. What the hell are they going to do if Bernie runs away with CA, TX, MA, and NC like some think that he will?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.

no offense, wetwillie, but that's ridiculous.

How so? What has Biden told you to think otherwise? All of the stupid crap aside, and I know that's tough to do. Trump hasn't governed from the far right, with the very notable exception of the "muslim ban." Again, it isn't like Biden has expressed any plans for anything at all. He'll probably rejoin the Paris Climate Accord, can we think of any other differences? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:34:39 PM
You think swing state voters who voted Trump 2016 are tired of Trump and will switch? Seems pretty flimsy, I think the Trump presidency has gone exactly how everyone thought it would go, or you have folks like dax who have rationalized any possible disappointment.

it's more about differential turnout and people deciding to vote third party or not (3rd party votes were pretty high in 2016) than people actually going r to d.  although there is some of that too.  i think our own 420cat is probably someone who voted trump in 2016, but would vote for biden if it is biden v trump in 2020.

at any rate, i really do recommend reading some of bitecofer's stuff on voter behavior for stuff like this.  she's very good at explaining some of the basic patterns and rationale.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:36:22 PM


You think swing state voters who voted Trump 2016 are tired of Trump and will switch? Seems pretty flimsy, I think the Trump presidency has gone exactly how everyone thought it would go, or you have folks like dax who have rationalized any possible disappointment.

it's more about differential turnout and people deciding to vote third party or not (3rd party votes were pretty high in 2016) than people actually going r to d.  although there is some of that too.  i think our own 420cat is probably someone who voted trump in 2016, but would vote for biden if it is biden v trump in 2020.

at any rate, i really do recommend reading some of bitecofer's stuff on voter behavior for stuff like this.  she's very good at explaining some of the basic patterns and rationale.

Yeah I've followed her but haven't seen the good primer.

And wacky will vote Trump again
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
I won't vote Trump again. I stated previously that I probably just won't vote, but I use to like Biden (as a person (mainly)) before I thought he was getting dementia.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2020, 12:39:12 PM
I would vote Trump vs Bernie tho. If it's Biden, I probably just won't show up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 12:41:47 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a Biden administration would be FAR less corrupt than the Trump administration. Not sure if anyone cares about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
How so?

1.  biden will appoint liberal judges, trump conservative judges.
2.  biden will sign any legislation a dem leg sends him and veto any leg a 'pub leg sends him.  trump will do the opposite.
3.  biden will appoint traditionally qualified technocratic dems to executive branch political appointments and broadly govern with executive orders that advance consensus dem party goals subject to constitutional checks by the other branches of government.  trump will appoint republican sycophants and grifters with no concern for competence and broadly use executive power to further his own interests and base republican goals while doing everything possible to escape normative and legal restrictions on executive power.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
You think swing state voters who voted Trump 2016 are tired of Trump and will switch? Seems pretty flimsy, I think the Trump presidency has gone exactly how everyone thought it would go, or you have folks like dax who have rationalized any possible disappointment.

it's more about differential turnout and people deciding to vote third party or not (3rd party votes were pretty high in 2016) than people actually going r to d.  although there is some of that too.  i think our own 420cat is probably someone who voted trump in 2016, but would vote for biden if it is biden v trump in 2020.

at any rate, i really do recommend reading some of bitecofer's stuff on voter behavior for stuff like this.  she's very good at explaining some of the basic patterns and rationale.

There simply aren't enough people where one could reasonably think a vote for Biden won't eventually be seen exactly the same as a vote for Hilary was. You can make the argument that Trump has picked up just as many votes than he would lose. The economy is as good as it has been in a couple of generations, there's no denying that. Most voters won't care to get into the nuance of why the economy is great and the timing of it. GHWB lost because the economy was crap and he drug us into a war, neither will be the case here.

I'm shocked that the Democrats think that using the same formula won't produce the same results, I'm starting to think that they don't care.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
I would vote Trump vs Bernie tho. If it's Biden, I probably just won't show up.

differential turnout!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
Dang, Joe was in my neighborhood today! Was just talking to someone how I've never been to a buttercup diner but I drive past them all the time

https://twitter.com/Lefebvre_Sam/status/1234906768515317760?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a Biden administration would be FAR less corrupt than the Trump administration. Not sure if anyone cares about that sort of thing.
Eh he'd just be smarter about it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a Biden administration would be FAR less corrupt than the Trump administration. Not sure if anyone cares about that sort of thing.

I'm not sure about that at all. Money has corrupted the entire system, not just one party. It's why myself and others are leery of the establishment. Less corrupt, yeah, probably. FAR less? Nah.

How so?

1.  biden will appoint liberal judges, trump conservative judges.
2.  biden will sign any legislation a dem leg sends him and veto any leg a 'pub leg sends him.  trump will do the opposite.
3.  biden will appoint traditionally qualified technocratic dems to executive branch political appointments and broadly govern with executive orders that advance consensus dem party goals subject to constitutional checks by the other branches of government.  trump will appoint republican sycophants and grifters with no concern for competence and broadly use executive power to further his own interests and base republican goals while doing everything possible to escape normative and legal restrictions on executive power.

1. Does this matter if the balance of the Supreme Court doesn't change? Which it likely won't.
2. Neither of them are getting any bills, particularly a Dem, the Senate isn't changing hands.
3. This is true, not sure what large scale difference it will make.


I think both of you make good point about how the optics of a Biden presidency will be different. I don't have any idea how years 48-52 of moderate rule makes any significant change to how we live our lives and how business is done is Washington.


 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.
I couldn't tell you anything about Joe's actual platform other than he's not Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 12:52:18 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.
I couldn't tell you anything about Joe's actual platform other than he's not Trump

And that's the only thing that's going to matter!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
I'm shocked that the Democrats think that using the same formula won't produce the same results, I'm starting to think that they don't care.

we actually have a lot of head to head polling data on trump vs the various candidates.  it's not just everyone diving into their own head and trying extrapolate from their own thoughts how other people view the world (although that can be helpful, i'm not completely knocking it).

biden generally has polled a point or two better than sanders over the last year.  that mostly reversed and they were about even over the last month or so when sanders overtook biden as frontrunner.

my own interpretation on that is that biden probably has a durable advantage of about a point, maybe a little less, compared to sanders and that there is a dem consolidation effect worth about a point that accrues to the frontrunner.

both are very well-known and have pretty defined public images, so while opinions would change if they became the dem nominee (dems would like them more, independents and republicans would like them less), there's no good reason to think one would change more or less than the other.

obviously, a one point advantage isn't all that much and either could win or lose.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:56:49 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.

Doesn't that make my point? Trump can play the same notes. But her emails will be replaced by more Bengazi talk. It is way too easy to link the Clintons with Biden, their political careers have been intertwined.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.
I couldn't tell you anything about Joe's actual platform other than he's not Trump

And that's the only thing that's going to matter!
Hillary wasn't Trump either!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 12:59:33 PM
[I couldn't tell you anything about Joe's actual platform other than he's not Trump

you'd probably be amazed at how similar it is to sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 12:59:43 PM
The Biden drop off and surge is amazing, but that's also a crazy inverse with Sanders.

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1234818710797504512

These 538 models are really dumb, these swings are indicative of the fact that these models are simply throwing darts at a board in the dark. There is literally nothing that has happened that should have swung the model that far. Biden grossly underperformed in each state leading up to SC. Even if you want to say that he over performed there, that doesn't not only negate his previous poor performance but negates Bernie's performances as well. And LMAO if they are incorporating those endorsements into this model. What the hell are they going to do if Bernie runs away with CA, TX, MA, and NC like some think that he will?

One other point about this model. This is the third time Biden has run for president and the first state he's ever won. How does their supposedly mathematical model swing so wildly on one result that is such a large departure from the mean?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 01:00:54 PM
[I couldn't tell you anything about Joe's actual platform other than he's not Trump

you'd probably be amazed at how similar it is to sanders.

lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 01:05:15 PM
One other point about this model. This is the third time Biden has run for president and the first state he's ever won. How does their supposedly mathematical model swing so wildly on one result that is such a large departure from the mean?

i don't think the model incorporates biden's unsuccessful runs in previous years into their projections.  there's a tiny bit of polling data that went in today that moved the model a good bit more and pretty much validated what the model had already been predicting about voter shifts following the south carolina result.

at any rate, we'll find out tonight and tomorrow how the model performed, but i'd put my money on the model being broadly correct (literally am doing so, have several predictit bets placed on today's races).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 01:09:36 PM
One other point about this model. This is the third time Biden has run for president and the first state he's ever won. How does their supposedly mathematical model swing so wildly on one result that is such a large departure from the mean?

i don't think the model incorporates biden's unsuccessful runs in previous years into their projections.  there's a tiny bit of polling data that went in today that moved the model a good bit more and pretty much validated what the model had already been predicting about voter shifts following the south carolina result.

at any rate, we'll find out tonight and tomorrow how the model performed, but i'd put my money on the model being broadly correct (literally am doing so, have several predictit bets placed on today's races).

How will the model be proven right though? Bernie is the delegate leader and he's almost 100% guaranteed to increase his delegate lead tonight. What dictates success in light of this?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
her emails will be replaced by more Bengazi talk.

Hillary wasn't Trump either!

The number of people who have left the Republican Party seems like a decent indication that 2020 is not exactly like 2016. And 2016 was incredibly close! And Trump seemed to catch every break!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 01:14:28 PM
if vote and delegate totals are broadly in the range projected today instead of the range projected prior to south carolina.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
I wonder how many voters know enough about the platforms of Hillary and Biden to even make a rudimentary comparison. I would guess very few.

Doesn't that make my point? Trump can play the same notes. But her emails will be replaced by more Bengazi talk. It is way too easy to link the Clintons with Biden, their political careers have been intertwined.

The landscape has changed. In some ways to benefit Trump but in lots of other ways to benefit Biden if he’s the nominee.

I’ve said it before: I think if Hillary didn’t run in 2016 and ran this time, she’d win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
Here's the platform t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1234910170976849922
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Fantastic thread:

https://twitter.com/chiweethedog/status/1184348503792685056?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
https://twitter.com/AndrewBatesNC/status/1234905023471116288?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
this is high quality moderate content, to be fair.

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1234886882493968384
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a Biden administration would be FAR less corrupt than the Trump administration. Not sure if anyone cares about that sort of thing.

Also not sure if anyone cares about the ACA or the people whose well being is affected by it, but I'm pretty sure that Biden won't continue Trump's fight against it in court.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 03, 2020, 03:28:08 PM
"Tejas, we call it here"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
Biden? :zzz:

I don't know why people think Biden will do better than Hillary. congrats K-Dub

The chicken crap should have primaried against Hillary in 2016.  He didn't cause both have the same agenda.   Kind of like the present middle of the road picks by rich and corp.  Don't believe me, just ask Liz or BERN.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.

Nothing about your hero who spent 334 million tax dollars on golf at his courses.  Or the corp. welfare of 890 million  tax dollars for aid so he could build the well to do housing.  Are you really that much of a rube to think money to support the middle class is a waste. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Fantastic thread:

https://twitter.com/chiweethedog/status/1184348503792685056?s=20

Mid mod Rubes pay attention this guy makes Trump look good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2020, 04:22:28 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.

Nothing about your hero who spent 334 million tax dollars on golf at his courses.  Or the corp. welfare of 890 million  tax dollars for aid so he could build the well to do housing.  Are you really that much of a rube to think money to support the middle class is a waste. :facepalm:
My hero? Who's the real rube here?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 03, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
I’m annoyed that Dems may be coming to their senses. If the nerds at 538 are correct, Biden will narrowly win the most Super Tuesday delegates, in which case he will be a lock for the nomination and he’ll arrive at the convention with at least a strong plurality and still an outside chance of a majority. Don’t get me wrong, I still think Biden’s a horrible candidate, but he’s the Dems’ best option, and the lack of convention chaos will be a major letdown.

Really need California and Texas to strongly feel the Bern today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
I’m annoyed that Dems may be coming to their senses. If the nerds at 538 are correct, Biden will narrowly win the most Super Tuesday delegates, in which case he will be a lock for the nomination and he’ll arrive at the convention with at least a strong plurality and still an outside chance of a majority. Don’t get me wrong, I still think Biden’s a horrible candidate, but he’s the Dems’ best option, and the lack of convention chaos will be a major letdown.

Really need California and Texas to strongly feel the Bern today.

I don't think bern has the legs.  This is Joe's ballgame
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
You never know, Biden could still tell Bernie he has an ugly crazy wife and accuse his father of being involved in the jfk assassination.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
I’m annoyed that Dems may be coming to their senses. If the nerds at 538 are correct, Biden will narrowly win the most Super Tuesday delegates, in which case he will be a lock for the nomination and he’ll arrive at the convention with at least a strong plurality and still an outside chance of a majority. Don’t get me wrong, I still think Biden’s a horrible candidate, but he’s the Dems’ best option, and the lack of convention chaos will be a major letdown.

Really need California and Texas to strongly feel the Bern today.

I don't think bern has the legs.  This is Joe's ballgame

If only he could just remember who's at bat.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
You never know, Biden could still tell Bernie he has an ugly crazy wife and accuse his father of being involved in the jfk assassination.

Only person who could dispute that would be the one who bought his wife.  Just wonder if it was at the same place he bought his hairpiece and makeup.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 04:42:25 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.

Nothing about your hero who spent 334 million tax dollars on golf at his courses.  Or the corp. welfare of 890 million  tax dollars for aid so he could build the well to do housing.  Are you really that much of a rube to think money to support the middle class is a waste. :facepalm:
My hero? Who's the real rube here?

Mind rough ridin' is a terrible waste.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a Biden administration would be FAR less corrupt than the Trump administration. Not sure if anyone cares about that sort of thing.

Also not sure if anyone cares about the ACA or the people whose well being is affected by it, but I'm pretty sure that Biden won't continue Trump's fight against it in court.

little late for that now, it's on the SC docket already, crap is deader than Hippocrates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 05:32:06 PM
this is high quality moderate content, to be fair.

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1234886882493968384

Forget the Warren stuff, why is he talking to that woman like that? This is Mike on his best behavior. I can't believe he and Biden represents the 2/5 remaining candidates. The Dems are fukked
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 05:33:25 PM
Neither side can really feel that passionate about their candidate options right now, right? I mean everyone accept for the ppl that just want free crap. I truly believe they are passionate about that.

Speak for yourself, homie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 05:33:38 PM
FOLKS!


https://twitter.com/kirstendunst/status/1234982309192847361


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2020, 05:36:10 PM
I don’t really see much material difference between a Biden presidency and a second trump term.

no offense, wetwillie, but that's ridiculous.

How so? What has Biden told you to think otherwise? All of the stupid crap aside, and I know that's tough to do. Trump hasn't governed from the far right, with the very notable exception of the "muslim ban." Again, it isn't like Biden has expressed any plans for anything at all. He'll probably rejoin the Paris Climate Accord, can we think of any other differences?

Does Biden have no place in a long term plan for progressives to gain legislative power to enact change? Say he's a one term president, and sets up the Senate to flip.

LOL, hell naw
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
WHY ARE ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OLD AF?


https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1234969189321973760


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2020, 07:06:48 PM
13% seems not terrible :dunno: if you assume 11 year bands from 18-77 evenly distributed would be 20%. But even that doesn’t account for voters over 77, so what should you expect like 18%?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 07:24:10 PM
https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1234970977978552320
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 08:14:35 PM
Congrats to Bernie on Vermont!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 08:23:37 PM
Is Biden doing better than expected? Bloomy getting this amount of votes is bizarre.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 08:26:19 PM
Is Biden doing better than expected?

SHOCKINGLY so! It's possible that he'll have more delegates than Sanders after today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 08:36:27 PM
The bias fucks at NBC are calling every state that BIDEN is leading for BIDEN, but every state Sanders is leading as too close to call.   :curse:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2020, 08:37:30 PM
Lol. Good!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
More good news for Biden.

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1235028685717045248
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 08:48:14 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1235025891320664064
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 08:51:52 PM
More good news for Biden.

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1235028685717045248

This is a no brainer.  Biden will get Bloomberg support.  That will make 91 billionaires supporting their candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
man, america really hates bernie sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 09:11:33 PM
man, america really hates bernie sanders.

Very predictable, the ultra rich will get their candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
I think he was supposed to win them but Biden absolutely crushing Sanders in the “swing” states really flushed Bernie’s electability  argument down the toilet


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2020, 09:12:47 PM
man, america really hates bernie sanders.

Very predictable, the ultra rich will get their candidate.

Katdaddy, it would appear most demographics hate his entire guts. Most demographics that actually vote anyway,


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 09:16:04 PM
the ultra rich, aka southern black voters and their deadass broke candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2020, 09:23:24 PM
Biden: Folks! They don't call it Super Tuesday for nothing!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
this is quite satisfying.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1235039741717786627
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kid In the Hall on March 03, 2020, 09:51:35 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:00:44 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:09:19 PM
man, america really hates bernie sanders.

Very predictable, the ultra rich will get their candidate.

Katdaddy, it would appear most demographics hate his entire guts. Most demographics that actually vote anyway,


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Did you hear what the mayor of New York had to say about Bernie?  He basically said Bernie will win when they go one on one.  The only reason Biden is winning Super Tuesday is the fact that he is getting Pete's, Klo's, and Beto's, voter support.  The one on one contest will be a different story.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1235055668299583488

 :)

this one is delectable.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2020, 10:24:23 PM
So mod candidates dropped out before super tuesday and made it where people could pick between the mod and bernie?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:24:50 PM
Quote:
@AOC on moderates coalescing behind @JoeBiden: “The largest impact is in resources, there’s a lot of lobbyists interested here, there’s a lot of special interests, there’s a lot of people who are dedicated to preventing a progressive surge.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 10:25:31 PM
California really likes Bernie at least.

What's crazy is how tonight kinda shows how much people HATED Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 03, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
Quote:
@AOC on moderates coalescing behind @JoeBiden: “The largest impact is in resources, there’s a lot of lobbyists interested here, there’s a lot of special interests, there’s a lot of people who are dedicated to preventing a progressive surge.”
That's called democracy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:28:46 PM
California really likes Bernie at least.

What's crazy is how tonight kinda shows how much people HATED Hillary.

YES!!!  I couldn't vote for her.  She was a patsy for rich/corp. fucks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1234970977978552320

Ok well maybe those age ranges represent equivalent numbers of people but I will note the 18-29 is the narrowest range on there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 10:34:15 PM


California really likes Bernie at least.

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1235059533992488960?s=19

:-)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 03, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Quote:
@AOC on moderates coalescing behind @JoeBiden: “The largest impact is in resources, there’s a lot of lobbyists interested here, there’s a lot of special interests, there’s a lot of people who are dedicated to preventing a progressive surge.”

biden literally spent nothing in advertising in super tuesday states, like less that 500k or something.  no field operation.  he was completely broke.  sanders raised 90 million in the last two months, probably spent half of it.  bloomberg spent like 500 million over the last four months.  aoc is a rough ridin' idiot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1234970977978552320

Ok well maybe those age ranges represent equivalent numbers of people but I will note the 18-29 is the narrowest range on there.
30 to 44:  14 yr spread
45 to 64:  19 yr spread
65 & up:  Who knows?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2020, 10:47:10 PM
rough ridin' Marin

https://twitter.com/gabrielwinant/status/1235061344514129926?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Could be a nice family outing :dunno:

Supposed to be super nice outside on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 10:57:56 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Could be a nice family outing :dunno:

Supposed to be super nice outside on Saturday.

You'll never get that time back.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2020, 11:12:05 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Could be a nice family outing :dunno:

Supposed to be super nice outside on Saturday.

You'll never get that time back.
Everyone wastes time on stuff every day they will never get back. Unproductive work meetings is a prime example.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2020, 11:20:35 PM
https://www.mobilize.us/joebiden/event/257602/

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Could be a nice family outing :dunno:

Supposed to be super nice outside on Saturday.

You'll never get that time back.
Everyone wastes time on stuff every day they will never get back. Unproductive work meetings is a prime example.
Might want to check if he's giving ice cream away, may make it worth while.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Phil Titola on March 03, 2020, 11:23:20 PM


California really likes Bernie at least.

https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/1235059533992488960?s=19

:-)

Is she what KIV hoped to be?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 04, 2020, 12:14:03 AM
 Biden back from the dead. Wow!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 06:13:14 AM
Is it all over?

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1235120061049782273
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 04, 2020, 06:34:24 AM
Yup. Biden’s the nominee. Only question now is whether he arrives at convention with plurality or majority.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 04, 2020, 07:16:04 AM
So when do the rooskies start to Wikileaks Biden stuff?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 07:25:13 AM
So when do the rooskies start to Wikileaks Biden stuff?

if they had it we'd have seen it by now to support both comrade sanders and puppet trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 04, 2020, 07:27:03 AM
Although nowhere near Trumpian levels, Biden has a similar advantage in that he’s already done and said enough publicly embarrassing things to mitigate the impact of any kind of future breaking story.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 07:39:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.


https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 07:41:51 AM
Although nowhere near Trumpian levels, Biden has a similar advantage in that he’s already done and said enough publicly embarrassing things to mitigate the impact of any kind of future breaking story.

yes, it's going to be a very weird general election cycle. it's going to take something incredibly bizarre to even move the needle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

And not a one time thing. King makes HUGE, stupid blunders from time to time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 07:50:49 AM
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

And not a one time thing. King makes HUGE, stupid blunders from time to time.
Yeah. Black Twitter really hates the guy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 07:51:38 AM
https://twitter.com/rickklein/status/1235082605688762368
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 08:35:37 AM
President Xi and the committee would like to announce that they are extremely pleased with last night’s developments. 

They would like to also remind the Biden’s that the committee and the Bank of China expect a solid return on their many millions of dollars in investments even in these turbulent times. 

President Xi so looks forward to seeing Joe and Hunter arriving on the even bigger jet the next time they visit and encourages the Biden’s to have John Kerry give him a call.  President Xi has long admired John’s repeated ability to violate the Logan Act and thus President Xi would like to have a word.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 08:49:46 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 08:49:46 AM
P.S.   President Xi would like to strongly encourage that Mr. Biden find a place in his administration for the Honorable Mike Bloomberg. 

President Xi has so appreciated Mr. Bloomberg’s consistent and heartfelt defense of both President Xi and the Chinese Government.   As a side note President Xi would like to remind Mr. Bloomberg of the many many billions of dollars that China has spent with his company. 

President Xi thinks Mr.  Bloomberg would make and excellent head of the US Economic Council or similar. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.
Perhaps they can visit a forced labor Nike factory or a re-education camp on their first visit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:00:46 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.

I also think Biden will lesson the use of protectionist trade policies we've been using for some dumb reason. and hopefully he can slow the debt death spiral we've been flung into recently. it's incredible that we can, with certainty, rely on some Dem to better enact and execute on conservative fiscal policy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on March 04, 2020, 09:01:52 AM
dax, is President Xi loves Biden one of the new talking points?  Are there any plans to dust off the Ukranian corruption talking points?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 09:04:21 AM
Kinda fun that VP will actually matter with Biden too, like does anyone at all believe he'd be able to finish a term?

Sys, how is biden/Abrams polling in swing states?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 04, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
I would have never guessed that @Katpappy was a super duper uber commie lib. Kinda weird.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:05:19 AM
dax, is President Xi loves Biden one of the new talking points?  Are there any plans to dust off the Ukranian corruption talking points?
Joe was extremely corrupt in regard to the Ukraine.  Biden Inc benefits greatly from their corruption. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:05:58 AM
Kinda fun that VP will actually matter with Biden too, like does anyone at all believe he'd be able to finish a term?

Sys, how is biden/Abrams polling in swing states?

Absolutely, the VP will be like a HCIW!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.

I also think Biden will lesson the use of protectionist trade policies we've been using for some dumb reason. and hopefully he can slow the debt death spiral we've been flung into recently. it's incredible that we can, with certainty, rely on some Dem to better enact and execute on conservative fiscal policy.

Aren’t we signing trade deals with China?

Oh, and Joe ain’t gonna do crap about the debt. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:09:54 AM
Joe Biden, part of the woeful and failed “Asian Pivot” which allowed the Chinese to repeatedly windmill on the Obama administration at a level that left Vlad Putin in a state of rage filled jealousy and admiration.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 09:11:14 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.

I also think Biden will lesson the use of protectionist trade policies we've been using for some dumb reason. and hopefully he can slow the debt death spiral we've been flung into recently. it's incredible that we can, with certainty, rely on some Dem to better enact and execute on conservative fiscal policy.

Being in a good position with an economy as essential for the first time in years will benefit American businesses and create jobs.  Not sure if we can reduce the crippling debt but maybe?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 04, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.

I also think Biden will lesson the use of protectionist trade policies we've been using for some dumb reason. and hopefully he can slow the debt death spiral we've been flung into recently. it's incredible that we can, with certainty, rely on some Dem to better enact and execute on conservative fiscal policy.

Aren’t we signing trade deals with China?

Oh, and Joe ain’t gonna do crap about the debt.

I would bet Joe gets the deficit down to at maximum $750 billion. Probably less than that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:13:27 AM
Bloomy Out


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:14:36 AM
#onlymoney

Hitting the stage in force, January 2021
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Having a president with close ties to China will be a nice bonus.  Normalizing relations with our biggest producer of goods will be beneficial to all of us.

I also think Biden will lesson the use of protectionist trade policies we've been using for some dumb reason. and hopefully he can slow the debt death spiral we've been flung into recently. it's incredible that we can, with certainty, rely on some Dem to better enact and execute on conservative fiscal policy.

Being in a good position with an economy as essential for the first time in years will benefit American businesses and create jobs.  Not sure if we can reduce the crippling debt but maybe?
First time in years, LOL.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
thing seems like it's over one way or the other but will Liz stick it out to just eff with Bernie? WE SHALL SEE!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
thing seems like it's over one way or the other but will Liz stick it out to just eff with Bernie? WE SHALL SEE!

Would say almost definitely right?  She is pissed now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
will also be interesting to see if Bloomy keeps stroking massive checks in support of Biden or just takes his solid gold and diamond encrusted ball and goes home
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 09:18:56 AM
I think the party asked her to stay in
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
Prob get like treasury secretary for her troubles. Amy, AG maybe? Not sure where Pete will end up
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:21:31 AM
I think the party asked her to stay in

well, it was certainly nice of her to be a team player then
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 09:23:14 AM
I don't know what Warren is up to, but she doesn't act like she's going anywhere. She said something about winning as many delegates as possible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
I think the party asked her to stay in

well, it was certainly nice of her to be a team player then

Yeah, all the totally not trump supporters on this blog have to be pretty impressed with how well the DNC cracked the whip. The rnc watched helplessly as trumpism slowly collected 30% in each state with the other 70% split between 5 identical options.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 04, 2020, 09:28:14 AM
thing seems like it's over one way or the other but will Liz stick it out to just eff with Bernie? WE SHALL SEE!

Would say almost definitely right?  She is pissed now.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1235204835273625601
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 04, 2020, 09:30:18 AM
Bloomberg probably hurt Biden more than Warren hurt Sanders.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 09:32:13 AM
Bloomberg probably hurt Biden more than Warren hurt Sanders.

No doubt.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on March 04, 2020, 09:32:37 AM
In the past week, Warren had been communicating to her team that there was a path with a brokered convention for her.  Maybe she actually believes that?  I can't imagine a path for her that doesn't include at least one candidate having a health emergency which is fairly plausible!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
I think the party asked her to stay in

well, it was certainly nice of her to be a team player then

Yeah, all the totally not trump supporters on this blog have to be pretty impressed with how well the DNC cracked the whip. The rnc watched helplessly as trumpism slowly collected 30% in each state with the other 70% split between 5 identical options.

in it's current form the Ds are certainly showing to be the more pragmatic party
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 04, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
In the past week, Warren had been communicating to her team that there was a path with a brokered convention for her.  Maybe she actually believes that?  I can't imagine a path for her that doesn't include at least one candidate having a health emergency which is fairly plausible!

She can't drop out with the coronavirus epidemic lurking. Joe probably doesn't even wash his hands and we all know where they have been.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
I think Biden is coming to KC, pretty near my office.  Should I go?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
Throw Joe a basin to shotgun
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
Don’t ask Joe any questions.  He gets really confused and goes all Corn Pop.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 10:40:18 AM
I would have never guessed that @Katpappy was a super duper uber commie lib. Kinda weird.

i would have 100% guessed he was maga until he started joining in on the political threads.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 10:42:01 AM
A non-MAGA Katdaddy was one of the more pleasant recent surprises.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 10:43:02 AM
Sys, how is biden/Abrams polling in swing states?

i've actually come around to thinking that she's not as likely a vp pick as it once seemed.  i'd bet more on harris or rice or some less prominent politician or public servant.  it would surprise me a fair bit if his running mate isn't a black woman.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Throw Joe a basin to shotgun

I like that.  I bet he might do it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 10:44:07 AM
A Biden police team would make a lot of sense


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
A non-MAGA Katdaddy was one of the more pleasant recent surprises.


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although a MAGA Katdaddy would be next level on brand for MAGAs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 04, 2020, 10:45:05 AM
A Biden police team would make a lot of sense


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yup
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 10:45:41 AM
Prob get like treasury secretary for her troubles.

that would make me extremely unhappy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
https://twitter.com/maya_sen/status/1235209533162745858
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 10:49:55 AM
OT but that reminds me of how delicious it's going to be when trump inevitably turns and crushes pence like he does every other lapdog that has ever served him
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 04, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
I’d eat my hat if Trump abandoned the subservient white male homophobe evangelical (a perfect amalgamation of his base) in favor of a lady.

I can already see KSUW complaining about her shrill voice during the debates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 10:54:02 AM
No, republican ladies don't sound shrill or crazy, that is only democrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1235227294525947904
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
 :party:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 04, 2020, 11:37:51 AM
https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1235227294525947904

I don’t think she will drop out and endorse Joe or Bernie. I think she’ll stay neutral saying she’ll support whoever the nominee is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
will also be interesting to see if Bloomy keeps stroking massive checks in support of Biden or just takes his solid gold and diamond encrusted ball and goes home
Biden didn't seem to need any money or really do much of anything
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 04, 2020, 12:51:51 PM
will also be interesting to see if Bloomy keeps stroking massive checks in support of Biden or just takes his solid gold and diamond encrusted ball and goes home
Biden didn't seem to need any money or really do much of anything

Bloomberg’s support probably would mean more in the general. Currently wondering if he negotiated himself a spot in Biden’s cabinet prior to dropping and whether that was the play all along.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
Bloomberg's support would also necessarily not be done in coordination with Biden's campaign, which is a plus if Biden's campaign doesn't really exist!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 04, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
will also be interesting to see if Bloomy keeps stroking massive checks in support of Biden or just takes his solid gold and diamond encrusted ball and goes home
Biden didn't seem to need any money or really do much of anything

Bloomberg’s support probably would mean more in the general. Currently wondering if he negotiated himself a spot in Biden’s cabinet prior to dropping and whether that was the play all along.
Pretty sure he could have bought a cabinet position for far less.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 04, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
So as of right now, Biden leads the Bern 566-501. But there's still a lot of delegates to be apportioned in California and Texas, and a few remaining delegates to apportioned in several other states. I think by the time the counting is done, Biden's lead will have shrunk to between 20 and 40 delegates.

All things being equal, the March 10 states, which include Washington and Michigan, should favor Bern overall. So he could be back in the lead in a week. But this doesn't account for Biden's new momentum and Bloomberg and (soon) Warren dropping out. So my guess is that Biden will continue to slowly expand his delegate lead to a somewhat healthy plurality by convention time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 03:21:56 PM
Bloomberg's support would also necessarily not be done in coordination with Biden's campaign, which is a plus if Biden's campaign doesn't really exist!

Yeah, he can go citizens united bonkers


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
He lost Super Tuesday to Biden because the only issue is Beat Trump. The Democratic primary is not a fine grained grad school seminar discussion.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1235307201918644224
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 03:46:06 PM
my guess is that Biden will continue to slowly expand his delegate lead to a somewhat healthy plurality by convention time.

naw, the race is over.  biden won.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 04:14:49 PM
He lost Super Tuesday to Biden because the only issue is Beat Trump. The Democratic primary is not a fine grained grad school seminar discussion.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1235307201918644224
Yeah we had a discussion a while back about how Bernie's movement might be a reaction to Trump but really it's the surge to the center that's the reaction to Trump
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
Bernie can’t get over the fact that his positions don’t resonate with most people. Talking about it more isn’t moving that needle.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
Bernie can’t get over the fact that his positions don’t resonate with most people. Talking about it more isn’t moving that needle.


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they're growing in popularity, just not as popular as beating trump

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1235101861876662277?s=20

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 05:10:29 PM
clicking through on that ca poll, three things - a) it is very vague about the plan being polled and doesn't even use sanders' language. "a govt plan for all" describes the health care plan of every dem candidate that ran in 2020, b) 55-36% is not very popular considering the respondents are only people participating in a dem primary.  a party consensus view would poll much higher than that, c) the question is being asked at a time when their candidate preferences are extremely salient.  one would expect that many respondents are going to intuit the question as a proxy for their candidate choice and respond in a way that they feel aligns or justifies their choice of candidate.

didn't look at the other link.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
clicking through on that ca poll, three things - a) it is very vague about the plan being polled and doesn't even use sanders' language. "a govt plan for all" describes the health care plan of every dem candidate that ran in 2020, b) 55-36% is not very popular considering the respondents are only people participating in a dem primary.  a party consensus view would poll much higher than that, c) the question is being asked at a time when their candidate preferences are extremely salient.  one would expect that many respondents are going to intuit the question as a proxy for their candidate choice and respond in a way that they feel aligns or justifies their choice of candidate.

didn't look at the other link.

for sure, there's also this: https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Woogy on March 04, 2020, 05:45:35 PM
https://twitter.com/maya_sen/status/1235209533162745858

Close - He's a showman:  He'll play up the Russia angle just to poke Hillary (in the ribs, c'mon!) one more time and choose Tulsi while claiming its a moderate unity dream ticket.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 05:56:15 PM
for sure, there's also this: https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

it's wild how much approval bounces around depending on the language used.  i can't imagine how exhausting it much be for a politician trying to message this crap to voters who obviously have almost no understanding of what the words they hear mean in terms of policy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 06:10:55 PM
for sure, there's also this: https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

it's wild how much approval bounces around depending on the language used.  i can't imagine how exhausting it much be for a politician trying to message this crap to voters who obviously have almost no understanding of what the words they hear mean in terms of policy.

for sure. I liked Sanders describing his plan as "no premium, no deductible, no copay". whether or not you think it's realistic, it's way better messaging than "medicare for all" or Warren's wonky transition plan.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 04, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
I wonder how medicare for all would poll if the question was: “would you support replacing all private health insurance with government provided healthcare if it meant that most people would pay higher taxes?”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2020, 06:38:40 PM
eff YEAH! Lololol

https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1235032651410673664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on March 04, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
I wonder how medicare for all would poll if the question was: “would you support replacing all private health insurance with government provided healthcare if it meant that most people would pay higher taxes?”
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2020, 07:05:53 PM
:Keke:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 04, 2020, 09:14:27 PM
friendship with castro ended, now obama is my best friend.

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1235202301658386433
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
So cringey
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
I would have never guessed that @Katpappy was a super duper uber commie lib. Kinda weird.

NO WHACKY!!!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
clicking through on that ca poll, three things - a) it is very vague about the plan being polled and doesn't even use sanders' language. "a govt plan for all" describes the health care plan of every dem candidate that ran in 2020, b) 55-36% is not very popular considering the respondents are only people participating in a dem primary.  a party consensus view would poll much higher than that, c) the question is being asked at a time when their candidate preferences are extremely salient.  one would expect that many respondents are going to intuit the question as a proxy for their candidate choice and respond in a way that they feel aligns or justifies their choice of candidate.

didn't look at the other link.

Sys, I didn't know you are so one sided.  Could it be Beato failure in politics.  Since the polls were exist polls and since most voted for your mod hero Biden; don't they know Biden doesn't support Medicare for all.  Wants to continue Obama Care.  I see a crack in your logic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
clicking through on that ca poll, three things - a) it is very vague about the plan being polled and doesn't even use sanders' language. "a govt plan for all" describes the health care plan of every dem candidate that ran in 2020, b) 55-36% is not very popular considering the respondents are only people participating in a dem primary.  a party consensus view would poll much higher than that, c) the question is being asked at a time when their candidate preferences are extremely salient.  one would expect that many respondents are going to intuit the question as a proxy for their candidate choice and respond in a way that they feel aligns or justifies their choice of candidate.

didn't look at the other link.

for sure, there's also this: https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

Sys won't change his mind; even if the facts are slapping him in the face.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 10:53:59 PM
Hillary is on Fallon and bragging on Biden, of course.  She hates Bernie.  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 11:11:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/PLKl6Qq.jpg)

I leave you with this.   :buh-bye:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 04, 2020, 11:20:58 PM
https://twitter.com/FunkyDL/status/1235204653123620864

Is this the party's best to run the country?   :buh-bye:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 12:27:21 AM
Sys, I didn't know you are so one sided.  Could it be Beato failure in politics.  Since the polls were exist polls and since most voted for your mod hero Biden; don't they know Biden doesn't support Medicare for all.  Wants to continue Obama Care.  I see a crack in your logic.

the poll that i commented on was from california, which sanders won.  you're right that biden supporters may have tried to align their views with what they understood biden to be proposing.  that was the third point i raised.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 08:12:05 AM
Sys, I didn't know you are so one sided.  Could it be Beato failure in politics.  Since the polls were exist polls and since most voted for your mod hero Biden; don't they know Biden doesn't support Medicare for all.  Wants to continue Obama Care.  I see a crack in your logic.

the poll that i commented on was from california, which sanders won.  you're right that biden supporters may have tried to align their views with what they understood biden to be proposing.  that was the third point i raised.

Today is a new day and I'm seeing things in a new light.   :cheers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 05, 2020, 08:16:07 AM
One slight good sign is that in some states, Communism was defeated.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 09:43:54 AM
One slight good sign is that in some states, Communism was defeated.   

eff communism; and if you think your leader is a communist, then you're mumped.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 05, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 05, 2020, 10:15:37 AM
(edited) The complete disenfranchisement of RUIN from their party accelerates (once again)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
glad liz called it finally
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 10:27:32 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 10:28:27 AM
I hope Tulsi stays in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Why do you hate her so much?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 10:32:37 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Why do you hate her so much?

Who did she throw her support to?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on March 05, 2020, 10:34:44 AM
Damn.  Liz is the President we need but not the one we deserve.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 05, 2020, 10:35:18 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Why do you hate her so much?

Who did she throw her support to?

To whomever promises her VP. Sorry Stacy Abrams but I guess Liz is technically also a woman of color.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 05, 2020, 10:47:18 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Why do you hate her so much?

Who did she throw her support to?

To whomever promises her VP. Sorry Stacy Abrams but I guess Liz is technically also a woman of color.

Damn right she is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 10:56:21 AM
Bye Liz  :bartender:

i'm glad she stayed in long enough to be humiliated in her home state.
Why do you hate her so much?

Who did she throw her support to?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Why do you hate her so much?

i hate a lot of people randomly (see avatar), i don't question why i am the way i am.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 11:25:13 AM
Liz would have been a really good mod candidate and I’d have voted for her for certain in the general. But, Bloomy even crushed her. I wonder how she would have performed if she hadn’t pretended not to be a mod. Bernie is showing that there are really very few progressive voters so I don’t get why she was chasing that.


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 11:27:12 AM
I mean, unless you believe she really made a progressive reverse heel turn. I just don’t think it was irl.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 05, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
She has been making it a point to hate wall street for a long time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
Liz would have been a really good mod candidate.

there's a good argument to be made that she is to the left of sanders, both in voting record and 2020 campaign.  it amazes me how the different candidates are perceived sometimes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
unless you believe she really made a progressive reverse heel turn.

unless you are referring to before she entered politics, she has always been a progressive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
I don't think Warren chose to be lumped together with a guy who insists that everyone know him as the leader of a SOCIALIST revolution.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 05, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
I don't think Warren chose to be lumped together with a guy who insists that everyone know him as the leader of a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST revolution.

FIFY
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
I don't think Warren chose to be lumped together with a guy who insists that everyone know him as the leader of a SOCIALIST revolution.

Well, if she meant to or not it obviously worked out very shittily for her.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on March 05, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
Will VP picks be seen as more important than usual this time around seeing as how everyone currently in the running for president is hilariously old?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
farthest left vote score in the senate from 2017-2019.

https://voteview.com/congress/senate/115/text
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 11:41:32 AM
Will VP picks be seen as more important than usual this time around seeing as how everyone currently in the running for president is hilariously old?

I think for sure on Dems. Biden may not even make it to Election Day. I don’t think trump could pick anyone on the planet that would move his needle a tenth of a point in any direction.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
farthest left vote score in the senate from 2017-2019.

https://voteview.com/congress/senate/115/text

actually that score is from her entire time in the senate.  since she entered, she has never not been the farthest left senator.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
I mean, unless you believe she really made a progressive reverse heel turn. I just don’t think it was irl.


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That's funny because all the progs felt like she was trying to shift to the center during the campaign to appease the mods. Examples are her incremental M4A plan or saying she's a proud capitalist. Like all the rich Cali white women (big Hillary folks) I know loved the crap out of her.

I think in general people don't care about detailed plans with the Presidency and she tried to make that her thing in addition to kind of always trying to adjust her message plus the whole dna test thing was pretty cringey

None of it explains why sys is the way that he is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
Well, maybe it was her mod heel turn that made me like her more then? I obviously had this turn out of order. I wonder why Bernie’s ancient ass gets the small number of prog votes out there. Or maybe they would have been hers if she had stayed far left?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 05, 2020, 11:53:00 AM
Bernie got the votes because he ran for president the last time and people were more familiar with him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 11:56:02 AM
farthest left vote score in the senate from 2017-2019.

https://voteview.com/congress/senate/115/text

actually that score is from her entire time in the senate.  since she entered, she has never not been the farthest left senator.

Damn. Now I like her more.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Bernie got the votes because he ran for president the last time and people were more familiar with him.
I honestly think his sharing broad messaging rather than specific specific plans helped too. Warren was pretty well known but was also hurt by perception of female "electability" given Trump beating Hillary. (Which obviously has nothing to do with her policies or campaign strategy)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 12:40:39 PM
 :sdeek:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchorschFL/status/1235572942441975808
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
lmao, olds hate bernie's guts. like the least popular kid in the old person classroom.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 12:55:34 PM
Medicare for all? I ALREADY HAVE THAT crap BERNIE! NEXT!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 12:57:42 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 01:54:58 PM
Bernie. Dude.

https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1235287078273011712
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
"if you elect my opponent, i foresee nothing but prosperity and good fortune."


political genius.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on March 05, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
i thought bernie was the smart one left  :confused:
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Taking dead aim at the elite class of individuals who have now or could at some future point obtain some money.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 05, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
I thought Bern was going to keep this close, but he is melting down hard. The wheels have completely come off his Yugo. Joey’s gonna sweep up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 03:28:20 PM
i think his point is that his ever present villain, wall street, prefer biden.  he just stumbled into messaging that doesn't really work, at least outside of his narrow base, because many people, even those that don't have a stake in equities, view the market as some sort of marker of national economic prosperity.

and of course a lot of people do have a stake in the market, especially old people who already hate his ass.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on March 05, 2020, 04:10:11 PM
"if you elect my opponent, i foresee nothing but prosperity and good fortune."


political genius.
lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
Biden is just as likely to forget his own name on stage or have a stroke as any other outcome.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
Biden is just as likely to forget his own name on stage or have a stroke as any other outcome.
He really lucked out on not having to debate a thin field before Super Tuesday. Not that it would have mattered much
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2020, 06:09:36 PM
Now that it is just 2 the contrast are going to be pretty stark and he won’t be able to hide in a big pack.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 05, 2020, 06:11:14 PM
I just heard a clip of him talking from 2016 and I would invite people to go seek out him talking extemporaneously or even like the VP debates from ‘12 and compare to what you see now. It is jarring.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 06:11:51 PM
He forgot where his wife was on Super Thursday.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 06:22:37 PM
I just heard a clip of him talking from 2016 and I would invite people to go seek out him talking extemporaneously or even like the VP debates from ‘12 and compare to what you see now. It is jarring.

i think i already posted it in this thread like six months ago, but i saw a clip of his from 1988 or so, and it was a sharp contrast.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
Now that it is just 2 the contrast are going to be pretty stark and he won’t be able to hide in a big pack.

a) sanders has already lost, and b) it doesn't matter at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 06:28:39 PM
He really lucked out on not having to debate a thin field before Super Tuesday. Not that it would have mattered much

everyone was talking about only three days between south carolina and super tuesday as a disadvantage, because he wouldn't have time to fundraise and advertise or really even campaign on the victory, but it was really the perfect amount of time.  just long enough for everyone to hear and process the news and coordinate consolidation but not enough time for voters to really have any second thoughts or the media to start up any sort of a backlash to the story.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 06:34:33 PM
Now that it is just 2 the contrast are going to be pretty stark and he won’t be able to hide in a big pack.

KK, he's wall street's pick and the DNC.  Bernie's only way to win the primary us for Biden to have a stroke/heart attack  before the convention.  Right now they don't give a crap if Biden can't remember his own name, due to the idea of Sanders helping a class of people that support this country.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 06:36:28 PM
If Biden dies I don’t think Bernie wins. Nor should he.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 06:41:33 PM
He really lucked out on not having to debate a thin field before Super Tuesday. Not that it would have mattered much

everyone was talking about only three days between south carolina and super tuesday as a disadvantage, because he wouldn't have time to fundraise and advertise or really even campaign on the victory, but it was really the perfect amount of time.  just long enough for everyone to hear and process the news and coordinate consolidation but not enough time for voters to really have any second thoughts or the media to start up any sort of a backlash to the story.

The media was all over Biden's nuts on Supper Tuesday.  The only negative talk was about Bernie.  SD is right, they can't stand a socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 05, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
SD is right, they can't stand a socialist.

it's kind of a just so story, but it's tempting to look at the timeline of the election as basically the electorate telling itself it didn't really care who the nominee is, vote blue no matter who for twelve months, interrupted on two occasions:  in october when warren crested and after nevada when sanders looked emergent.  at which points the electorate was like, ah no, eff this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 06:57:45 PM


He really lucked out on not having to debate a thin field before Super Tuesday. Not that it would have mattered much

everyone was talking about only three days between south carolina and super tuesday as a disadvantage, because he wouldn't have time to fundraise and advertise or really even campaign on the victory, but it was really the perfect amount of time.  just long enough for everyone to hear and process the news and coordinate consolidation but not enough time for voters to really have any second thoughts or the media to start up any sort of a backlash to the story.

Yeah I agree. Plus no debates before the 10th means he can pretty much ride that wave and play it safe this week.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2020, 07:03:49 PM
A debate at this point is mostly an opportunity for Bernie to alienate more Democrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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I agree but it may have been a slight risk if it was just Bernie and Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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I agree but it may have been a slight risk if it was just Bernie and Joe.

Slight risk of what?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 05, 2020, 08:14:22 PM
https://twitter.com/FarrellGabriell/status/1235662308753502208

Gonna miss Bailey  :cry:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2020, 10:30:56 PM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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I agree but it may have been a slight risk if it was just Bernie and Joe.

Slight risk of what?


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Biden doing something crazy or offensive like dropping a hard R. Better chance with a smaller crowd
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 05, 2020, 10:31:55 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: turnbull on March 06, 2020, 05:45:43 AM
Debates are useless. It's not just a 2020 thing. Even in 2016 Trump never won a debate and it didnt matter. With the amount of digital advertising they'll just do spliced up scenes and call it a day saying they won.

I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 06:27:37 AM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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I agree but it may have been a slight risk if it was just Bernie and Joe.

Slight risk of what?


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Biden doing something crazy or offensive like dropping a hard R. Better chance with a smaller crowd

True


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 06:28:43 AM
Debates are useless. It's not just a 2020 thing. Even in 2016 Trump never won a debate and it didnt matter. With the amount of digital advertising they'll just do spliced up scenes and call it a day saying they won.

I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose

That’s incredible nightmare fuel


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: turnbull on March 06, 2020, 06:36:00 AM
Debates are useless. It's not just a 2020 thing. Even in 2016 Trump never won a debate and it didnt matter. With the amount of digital advertising they'll just do spliced up scenes and call it a day saying they won.

I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose

That’s incredible nightmare fuel


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Is it though....we've seen enough to not be shocked by anything this man does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 06:58:16 AM
It's incredibly frustrating for me to see people saying that Trump isn't really all that different from other candidates because, when you read about people who lived in countries taken over by dictators, they're like, "we didn't think it could happen here," "we thought someone would stop it," etc. And Trump has VERY MUCH moved in that direction the entire time he's been in office. He VERY MUCH has that dictator psychology. He's shown again and again that he's willing to break any norm.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 06, 2020, 07:03:46 AM
Dax not wanting him to run again is starting to become more clear. He just wants him to not leave office, and not HAVE to run because he is supreme leader for life.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 06, 2020, 07:38:47 AM
Yeah he wants to be a dictator, but trump is far too stupid to achieve it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 07:41:08 AM
Yeah he wants to be a dictator, but trump is far too stupid to achieve it.

He's not acting alone, though. Not at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 07:43:33 AM
I love the idea that Republicans will actually want to stop him at some point. I also think it's an incredibly naive idea.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
LOL, the rage from Resident Useful Idiot Nation over the fact their party is going to nominate a mega corrupt racist war monger former VPOTUS from an administration that was an abject failure on the world stage while bombing, refugee’ing and deporting millions upon millions of people.

Is as they say:  Palpable 

(So much so several can’t post a thing without invoking my name)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 08:22:46 AM
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“People are prideful of being racist again,” said Bobby Caradine, 47, who is black and has lived in Memphis all his life. “It’s right back out in the open.”

In Tennessee and Alabama, in Arkansas and Oklahoma and Mississippi, Democrats, black and white, told me they were united by a single, urgent goal: defeating Mr. Trump this November, with any candidate, and at any cost.

“There’s three things I want to happen,” Angela Watson, a 60-year-old black Democrat from Oklahoma City, told me at a campaign event there this week. “One, beat Trump. Two, beat Trump. And three, beat Trump.”

https://twitter.com/SallyGold/status/1235594166282924033
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 06, 2020, 08:31:17 AM
(So much so several can’t post a thing without invoking my name)

Lol, is this your attempt to get people to stop clowning on your insane rants? Lmao
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2020, 08:42:43 AM
(So much so several can’t post a thing without invoking my name)

Lol, is this your attempt to get people to stop clowning on your insane rants? Lmao
Posted by easily the biggest weirdo on this blog.

#ragefriday with LibDork.9 starts . . . NOW
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 08:44:52 AM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.

I mean, between Sanders and Biden we’ve seen clearly who the weakest candidate is. Both are undoubtedly shitty but possibly less shitty than well known shitty candidate Clinton.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
My favorite kind of pizza is supreme. We can only order one kind of pizza, though and, although it is no one's favorite, pepperoni is the kind that will make the most people the most happy. I vote for pepperoni.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2020, 09:17:05 AM
Old, white, male, and well liked by moderates and blacks actually seems pretty strong on paper.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2020, 09:19:20 AM
Old, white, male, and well liked by blacks actually seems pretty strong on paper.
If I’m Trump I hammer the crap out of ChiCom Joe and his sentencing legislation advocacy.  That ChiCom Joe is trying to mea culpa his way out of. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 09:25:44 AM
Everyone acting like Biden is going to cruise to the White House against Trump are way dumber than Bernie supporters asserting that Bernie is the only one that can win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 09:26:37 AM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.

I mean, between Sanders and Biden we’ve seen clearly who the weakest candidate is. Both are undoubtedly shitty but possibly less shitty than well known shitty candidate Clinton.


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After California finishes counting, they are basically tied in delegates. What are you talking about?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
Everyone acting like Biden is going to cruise to the White House against Trump are way dumber than Bernie supporters asserting that Bernie is the only one that can win.

Let’s out those fools
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 06, 2020, 09:39:15 AM
Sys said Biden already won. That is enough evidence for me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 06, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
Either Bernie or Biden should be a pretty strong favorite against Trump. Biden gives the democrats a much better shot at gaining seats in the senate, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 11:01:49 AM
Everyone acting like Biden is going to cruise to the White House against Trump are way dumber than Bernie supporters asserting that Bernie is the only one that can win.

Yes, let’s out those people and kick their asses!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
Sys said Biden already won. That is enough evidence for me.

sys was talking about the primary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2020, 11:06:16 AM
it's amazing how much dementia biden has acquired in four short years
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 06, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
I'm much more confident in victory than a week ago because the DNC is finally playing to win
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 06, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
Hopefully Bernie gets KTFO'd soon so we can start talking VP.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook...Hunter...Ukraine...Amtrak

No one will care.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook...Hunter...Ukraine...Amtrak

No one will care.

 :lol:

You meant to say only UIN won't care, because UIN doesn't care about corruption in the leadership, they (you) only care about the power.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Joe is like Trump in that he's bulletproof.  :cool:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:05:22 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook...Hunter...Ukraine...Amtrak

No one will care.

lol ok
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
Okay, Bernie Bros will use it as a reason to stay home. They'll care.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
Okay, Bernie Bros will use it as a reason to stay home. They'll care.

The good news for the DNC is Bernie Bros mostly don’t vote to begin with


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:08:52 PM
Okay, Bernie Bros will use it as a reason to stay home. They'll care.

look man, I thought Hillary was going to win too. Crazy that you have zero reflection on what happened there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: _33 on March 06, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:11:02 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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Which of these are swing states?  North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 12:12:00 PM
I guess Maine.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2020, 12:21:49 PM
I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.

I'll explain:

According to RUIN, Barrack Obama was just joking about wanting to continue on as dictator president.    Just a big ol Joke when Barrack talked about who he could beat, and how he could just keep on going but those gosh darn laws keep getting in the way.  Hur-hur-hur 

Also according to RUIN.  Don Trump is super serious and truly wants to be a dictator. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2020, 12:23:58 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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hindsight got me thinking - what if Bernie had dropped out after his heart attack and threw all his support at Warren? she probably woulda been destroyed because sexism but interesting to think about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1235965156024291330
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2020, 01:26:30 PM
I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.
That was really head scratching to me, too. Some of you people are really unhinged. Reminds me of that bet TBT made and then backed out of regarding whether Trump would surrender power peacefully if voted out of office.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 01:33:11 PM
I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.
That was really head scratching to me, too. Some of you people are really unhinged. Reminds me of that bet TBT made and then backed out of regarding whether Trump would surrender power peacefully if voted out of office.

It can't happen here. Someone will stop it. That stuff is for OTHER countries. We're special! USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 06, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook...Hunter...Ukraine...Amtrak

No one will care.

lol ok

Who knows, but I think people will probably care. Biden's corrupt as hell. And he's going senile. And he doesn't excite the progressive base. The Dems are hoping that hatred for Trump will be enough to offset all of Biden's massive deficiencies as a candidate. It didn't work for Hillary, and I'm doubtful it'll work for Biden, either.

The DemsAndMediaButIRepeatMyself are also hoping to develop a consistent drumbeat narrative that'll stick against Trump through the entire election season, kinda like they used Iraq War and Katrina against GWB. Trump didn't get us into a war, and the Russia/Ukraine stuff fizzled, so now they're hoping to use Corona to the same purpose. I think that's a shame because this sort of hysteria is harmful to people and our economy, but it's definitely happening.

To be fair, I'm not saying the Corona hysteria is entirely politically motivated. Some concern is warranted. And we also live in a different age of communication where the near instaneous feedback loop can exponentially magnify any new fear into a full-fledged panic. Can you imagine Y2K if we had Twitter, Facebook, and Peak 24hr Cable News at the time?  :flush:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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Which of these are swing states?  North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

+ Minnesota and Virginia
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 02:02:55 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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Which of these are swing states?  North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

+ Minnesota and Virginia

last time Minnesota voted republican was 1952.  Virginia is now 3 straight for Dems. These are not swing states.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 06, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
I'd say MN is. VA is now true blue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
I'd say MN is. VA is now true blue.

The last time Minnesota voted for a Republican president was 1972. 

edit---'72
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 02:21:01 PM
There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?

Which states are you talking about.  I think Arizona could be flipped with strong Latino turnout.  But, I think the Midwest is obviously necessary to flip back to even have a chance.  Florida seems like a fool's errand to me, but I guess could be competitive. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:32:05 PM
There are traditional swing states and there are 2016 Trump states that can be flipped. There's a lot of overlap, but aren't we mostly interested in the latter here?

Which states are you talking about.  I think Arizona could be flipped with strong Latino turnout.  But, I think the Midwest is obviously necessary to flip back to even have a chance.  Florida seems like a fool's errand to me, but I guess could be competitive.

I was thinking of MI and PA as blue states that Trump won, but on second thought maybe those would be considered traditional swing states.

2016 Florida vote was 49.0% to 47.8%. 2020 polls are dead even.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 06, 2020, 02:43:09 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.
None of this is anywhere near as disqualifying as being an admitted socialist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

What's that based on? How is Arizona most 2020 swingy?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2020, 03:03:59 PM
states, from most 2020 swingey to so unswingey i'm not going to type it out: arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, minnesota, texas, maine, georgia, new hampshire, nevada, colorado, iowa, virginia...

maine has the weird electoral vote thingy but if you are talking about the whole state don't type it out.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 03:05:46 PM
maine has the weird electoral vote thingy but if you are talking about the whole state don't type it out.

i was looking back at my list and thinking i should move it up, actually.  clinton won by 3%.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 03:06:57 PM
What's that based on? How is Arizona most 2020 swingy?

just my estimate/guess as to which state is closest to 50:50.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2020, 03:26:49 PM
sys what is your estimate/guess on TX
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 03:32:33 PM
Texas would be the most lmao of swings. Not that it couldn’t happen lmao, but most lmao when it did.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 03:36:48 PM
sys what is your estimate/guess on TX

trump +4 or 5 if dems don't contest there.  trump +1 or 2 if they do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
Texas would be the most lmao of swings. Not that it couldn’t happen lmao, but most lmao when it did.


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It won't happen in 2020, but Texas is turning purpler as (a) more outsiders move here, and (b) the population continues to consolidate in the major urban centers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
Republicans are terrified that Texas gets a little bit more blue every year. Probably not unrelated to all of their border nonsense.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2020, 03:46:16 PM
What's your take on absolute immunity? Seems pretty dictatorial imo

I can’t tell if you guys are joking about the dictator stuff.
That was really head scratching to me, too. Some of you people are really unhinged. Reminds me of that bet TBT made and then backed out of regarding whether Trump would surrender power peacefully if voted out of office.
Executive privilege? Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2020, 03:55:39 PM
Yes the argument for extension of that.
Absolute immunity is something else entirely. Not trying to be pedantic, but words matter. I am not a fan of expanding Presidential privileges beyond pre-Trump levels--particularly in times of peace. I had hoped the Trump presidency would lead to a retraction of the powers granted to the Executive branch. Thus far, that hasn't really been the case. To be clear, while I can understand the need for powers such as executive privilege in individual cases, I am not a fan of Trump abusing those powers and thus creating dangerous precedents for future presidents to exploit. That's just a bunch of malarkey.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
I mean, unless you believe she really made a progressive reverse heel turn. I just don’t think it was irl.


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That's funny because all the progs felt like she was trying to shift to the center during the campaign to appease the mods. Examples are her incremental M4A plan or saying she's a proud capitalist. Like all the rich Cali white women (big Hillary folks) I know loved the crap out of her.

I think in general people don't care about detailed plans with the Presidency and she tried to make that her thing in addition to kind of always trying to adjust her message plus the whole dna test thing was pretty cringey

None of it explains why sys is the way that he is.


good warren campaign post mortem

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/warren-team-wonders-how-they-blew-it-122628

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“I was told at the beginning of this whole undertaking that there are two lanes: a progressive lane that Bernie Sanders is the incumbent for and a moderate lane that Joe Biden is the incumbent for and there is no room for anyone else in this,” she told reporters outside her Cambridge, Massachusetts, home Thursday after ending her campaign. “I thought it was possible that that wasn’t the case, that there was more room, and more room to run another kind of campaign. But evidently that wasn’t the case.”

Rather than directly challenging Sanders for the progressive mantle — a “Bernie but better” approach, as one ally called it — Warren tried to assuage both sides. In doing so, many supporters felt she became too ordinary: an establishment-seeming politician with a radical agenda.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 06, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
Yes the argument for extension of that.
Absolute immunity is something else entirely. Not trying to be pedantic, but words matter. I am not a fan of expanding Presidential privileges beyond pre-Trump levels--particularly in times of peace. I had hoped the Trump presidency would lead to a retraction of the powers granted to the Executive branch. Thus far, that hasn't really been the case. To be clear, while I can understand the need for powers such as executive privilege in individual cases, I am not a fan of Trump abusing those powers and thus creating dangerous precedents for future presidents to exploit. That's just a bunch of malarkey.

That's why I'm voting for Joe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
I had hoped the Trump presidency would lead to a retraction of the powers granted to the Executive branch.

charlie murphy gif
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
Trump presidency really could have been a great opportunity to rebalance the branches but pubs in Congress pretty clearly said they were not interested in being a check on executive authority.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2020, 05:31:49 PM
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-am-the-mythical-obama-trump-voter-and-from-now-until-election-day-you-must-worship-me-as-your-god?fbclid=IwAR0oAjB3depEcTQWTlZ5gSQjDzrIpeQjiDG9mIkT8epO6TvastQ_uK3hhOo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
I mean, unless you believe she really made a progressive reverse heel turn. I just don’t think it was irl.


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That's funny because all the progs felt like she was trying to shift to the center during the campaign to appease the mods. Examples are her incremental M4A plan or saying she's a proud capitalist. Like all the rich Cali white women (big Hillary folks) I know loved the crap out of her.

I think in general people don't care about detailed plans with the Presidency and she tried to make that her thing in addition to kind of always trying to adjust her message plus the whole dna test thing was pretty cringey

None of it explains why sys is the way that he is.


good warren campaign post mortem

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/warren-team-wonders-how-they-blew-it-122628

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“I was told at the beginning of this whole undertaking that there are two lanes: a progressive lane that Bernie Sanders is the incumbent for and a moderate lane that Joe Biden is the incumbent for and there is no room for anyone else in this,” she told reporters outside her Cambridge, Massachusetts, home Thursday after ending her campaign. “I thought it was possible that that wasn’t the case, that there was more room, and more room to run another kind of campaign. But evidently that wasn’t the case.”

Rather than directly challenging Sanders for the progressive mantle — a “Bernie but better” approach, as one ally called it — Warren tried to assuage both sides. In doing so, many supporters felt she became too ordinary: an establishment-seeming politician with a radical agenda.

going turbo mod would have been the clear play. bernie's non-voting bros were spoken for. us moderates are very pragmatic and could have been wooed by either party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
Her problem (besides being female) was trying to apply moderate energy to strongly progressive policy positions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
Her problem (besides being female) was trying to apply moderate energy to strongly progressive policy positions.
Yeah she was the leftiest senator, she can't go turbo-mod
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
Her problem (besides being female) was trying to apply moderate energy to strongly progressive policy positions.
Yeah she was the leftiest senator, she can't go turbo-mod

I'm going to go full pragmatists here so buckle into your moderately comfortable warmish seat:

wrong
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 06:05:45 PM
I'm going to go full pragmatists here so buckle into your moderately comfortable warmish seat:

wrong

why would a moderate dem primary voter want to vote for the most progressive senator in the party, pretending to be a moderate?  why would a progressive dem primary voter want to vote for the most progressive senator in the party, pretending to be a moderate?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
I'm going to go full pragmatists here so buckle into your moderately comfortable warmish seat:

wrong

why would a moderate dem primary voter want to vote for the most progressive senator in the party, pretending to be a moderate?  why would a progressive dem primary voter want to vote for the most progressive senator in the party, pretending to be a moderate?

because people change their minds all the time and if someone wants to have a change of heart and pander to my moderate interests I'm all for it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 06:15:51 PM
that would work if the race had winnowed down to sanders v warren.  but there were like 25 candidates, no one had to pick a candidate whose record didn't align with their 2020 campaign.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 06:18:23 PM
that would work if the race had winnowed down to sanders v warren.  but there were like 25 candidates, no one had to pick a candidate whose record didn't align with their 2020 campaign.

I mean, I'm not going to argue with the polls and stats and stuff because you know them and I don't but I don't believe that people generally GAF about any of that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
I don't believe that people generally GAF about any of that

how people decide to vote on election day and how the press decides to cover you and how people decide who they'll donate to nine months before the election are totally different things (involving totally different groups of people), but you can't make it to election day if you don't survive the earlier selection.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 06, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
i want to add, though, that i do think having a significant disconnect between your record and campaign is a pretty big negative on election day too.  like, yeah it doesn't matter if you voted for random thing x in 2001 or said random thing y in 2007, but if you have a suite of issues on which you reversed course right before running, everyday, low engagement voters will notice that and not like it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2020, 07:40:37 PM
Do some people GAF? Yes. Do most people not GAF? Also yes.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
I know Pete is gone but this does a good job articulating part of why he sucks so hard

https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1236305814723465216?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 07, 2020, 09:16:49 AM
I prefer my pols to be mealy mouthed honestly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2020, 09:58:14 AM
if I'm choosing between buying a thing I don't want from a really cool and sincere person or buying the thing I want from a complete phony bad person who I hate I can tell you which one I'm going with. interestingly my wife would pick the other one 100% of the time which irritates the crap out of me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2020, 10:24:31 AM
if I'm choosing between buying a thing I don't want from a really cool and sincere person or buying the thing I want from a complete phony bad person who I hate I can tell you which one I'm going with. interestingly my wife would pick the other one 100% of the time which irritates the crap out of me.
For sure but those weren't the only choices
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.


https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

This was incredibly mumped
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
I'm back, it was a tough week. This crap isn't over. Biden won Super Tuesday because he won a gigantic majority of people who made their decisions late. He was shielded from his usual gaffes. There's no reason to believe that with a field of 2 his and his surrogates gaffes won't be magnified, like a white woman crackersplaining MLK to a black woman, while misquoting the man.

It's certainly an uphill climb for Bernie, I won't deny that. I guess I should be surprised the democrats are taking the bold tactic of doing the same thing but hoping for different results, but I'm not. Good job holding on to that bag, I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2020, 01:07:39 PM


https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.


https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

This was incredibly mumped

I don't know if this is real but holy crap

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1236073098866196482?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:13:45 PM
Liz would have been a really good mod candidate and I’d have voted for her for certain in the general. But, Bloomy even crushed her. I wonder how she would have performed if she hadn’t pretended not to be a mod. Bernie is showing that there are really very few progressive voters so I don’t get why she was chasing that.


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I love you SD, but my god this is outrageous.

I'm going to guess I just got gE'd, only rational explanation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:22:04 PM


https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.


https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

This was incredibly mumped

I don't know if this is real but holy crap

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1236073098866196482?s=19

It's real. It doesn't bother me though. It's undoubtedly clunky as hell but there is no method in which he could sell his book that wouldn't leave him open to a lot of criticism. People are under the impression that becoming an advocate also means taking a vow of poverty. Deray's people, who again, I like, have jumped on this without the slightest bit of irony that he doesn't appear publicly without wearing Patagonia.

All of these people make money, I don't care, doesn't change the advocacy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
farthest left vote score in the senate from 2017-2019.

https://voteview.com/congress/senate/115/text

That's a great tool, and some surprising results, thanks. I also never congratulated you on your windfall. Your incredibly shitty Warren view aside, I'm happy for you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
Quote
“People are prideful of being racist again,” said Bobby Caradine, 47, who is black and has lived in Memphis all his life. “It’s right back out in the open.”

In Tennessee and Alabama, in Arkansas and Oklahoma and Mississippi, Democrats, black and white, told me they were united by a single, urgent goal: defeating Mr. Trump this November, with any candidate, and at any cost.

“There’s three things I want to happen,” Angela Watson, a 60-year-old black Democrat from Oklahoma City, told me at a campaign event there this week. “One, beat Trump. Two, beat Trump. And three, beat Trump.”

https://twitter.com/SallyGold/status/1235594166282924033

For anyone who thinks, and there are just a few of you here, that we are a monolith, let me take this opportunity to say something I've wanted to say. I can't stand southern black people. This is some of the dumbest crap I've ever seen. It's no wonder where in these larger concentrations of black people we have the largest republican strongholds. Southern black people are hardly any different than the crackers that they are surrounded by. They've never been anywhere so they are held back by poorly formed, unevolved, sheltered world view. The south will never have a large role in American politics because they haven't moved an inch forward since Jim Crow ended.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:41:41 PM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.

I mean, between Sanders and Biden we’ve seen clearly who the weakest candidate is. Both are undoubtedly shitty but possibly less shitty than well known shitty candidate Clinton.


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Why do Republicans think they get to determine who is a shitty Democratic candidate and who isn't? You realize what you consider shitty should be what democrats think is good, that's the point of a spectrum.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1235965156024291330

LOL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 07, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
I appreciate maga and bizarro maga grifters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.

I mean, between Sanders and Biden we’ve seen clearly who the weakest candidate is. Both are undoubtedly shitty but possibly less shitty than well known shitty candidate Clinton.


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Why do Republicans think they get to determine who is a shitty Democratic candidate and who isn't? You realize what you consider shitty should be what democrats think is good, that's the point of a spectrum.

my definition of shitty as used here is wholly based on ability to get votes. not a stance on anyone's quality of a human being or policies or anything.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:50:31 PM
Republicans are terrified that Texas gets a little bit more blue every year. Probably not unrelated to all of their border nonsense.

It won't be purple with an "Obama/Biden Democrat" as the nominee. Mexican-Americans are smart enough to see how many people that administration deported. They can run on the DREAM Act to help, but Joe isn't coherent enough to do so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
Those quotes are absurd. The entire premise of supporting a candidate is beating Trump. The irony is Biden is an incredibly weak candidate and that this makes it difficult to fulfill the entire purpose of his campaign.

I mean, between Sanders and Biden we’ve seen clearly who the weakest candidate is. Both are undoubtedly shitty but possibly less shitty than well known shitty candidate Clinton.


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Why do Republicans think they get to determine who is a shitty Democratic candidate and who isn't? You realize what you consider shitty should be what democrats think is good, that's the point of a spectrum.

my definition of shitty as used here is wholly based on ability to get votes. not a stance on anyone's quality of a human being or policies or anything.

Well then your definition of shitty should incorporate the president's willingness to change the status quo of how the legislative and executive branches are run. A Biden presidency, at the very least the first two years, will be just as useless as the last 10 years of politics are. The centrists Obama/Biden democrats spent 8 years being obstructed by conservatives. What makes you think Mitch McConnell will want to do anything with Biden? He likes the white guy better than the Kenyan?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1235022678970400768

That's not because a lot of his supporters are jerks, it's because a lot of them aren't Democrats. Same as Bloomberg.

I'm pulling this from the Bernie Bro thread. I live in a toss up state and I absolutely won't vote for Biden if he's the nominee. If democrats keep eating the crap they're being fed, the DNC will keep shoving it in their faces. It's far too easy for them to ignore progressives in presidential races. I'm not a never-trumper. I think he's an autocratic buffoon, but the state of liberal politics will continue to be mumped, long after the fat orange clown is dead. They've defaulted to "Beat Trump" in lieu of adapting their platform, even in the smallest way, to help Americans. A Biden presidency gives the DNC another decade plus to sit on their hands.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
yeah, the dems only hope is to flip the senate at some point. thank god trump doesn't have the house right now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2020, 02:13:52 PM
yeah, the dems only hope is to flip the senate at some point. thank god trump doesn't have the house right now.

Ironically enough, the best chance of this is in '22 or '24 if Trump gets re-elected.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2020, 03:13:13 PM
I also never congratulated you on your windfall. Your incredibly shitty Warren view aside, I'm happy for you.

thanks.  i still have some bets out, and most of them are pretty stupid, so i could lose half of it back over the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 07, 2020, 09:42:23 PM
MIR - for some reason I thought you lived in Iowa? That’s not a tossup state anymore. Especially not after every prominent Dem torched Iowans as a bunch bigoted hicks during the Hawkeye Debaci. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 07, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
MIR - for some reason I thought you lived in Iowa? That’s not a tossup state anymore. Especially not after every prominent Dem torched Iowans as a bunch bigoted hicks during the Hawkeye Debaci.

I am genuinely confused. Bigoted? They mumped up the caucus, but bigoted?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 07, 2020, 10:52:29 PM
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1236483590197837825
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 08, 2020, 08:12:03 AM
MIR - for some reason I thought you lived in Iowa? That’s not a tossup state anymore. Especially not after every prominent Dem torched Iowans as a bunch bigoted hicks during the Hawkeye Debaci.

I am genuinely confused. Bigoted? They mumped up the caucus, but bigoted?

I’m referring to all the complaints about how Iowa is too white and two rural to go first in picking a candidate worthy of Democrat “diversity” (even tho they picked The Sainted One).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2020, 08:47:06 AM
Well, that is certainly a new one for me. TY KSU


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 08, 2020, 10:51:03 AM
Iowa picked a gay dude and a Jewish socialist, not sure how much more diverse you were hoping for
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 08, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Iowa picked a gay dude and a Jewish socialist, not sure how much more diverse you were hoping for

I didn’t say the complaints were rational or well founded. Hence Democrat complaints.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
i'm not sure how realistic it is, but there is a ton of talk on twitter about not letting iowa go first again or not letting them have a caucus instead of a primary again or both.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 08, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
There are complaints that Iowa's population isn't representative enough of the rest of the country. Maybe there is some merit to that idea. The 2020 Democratic nominee did finish in fourth place there.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 08, 2020, 02:10:29 PM
*after 2 of the three people ahead of him dropped out
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2020, 04:20:54 PM
the socialists are good at the visual arts.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESmSjaQWAAAOqFe?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 08, 2020, 04:22:32 PM
They didn't build that...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 08, 2020, 06:23:14 PM
Biden in St. Louis.... There’s something seriously wrong with him. And Dems are on the brink of nominating this guy because their alternative is a Marxist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Yeah, he and Trump are both much to old to govern


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 08, 2020, 06:54:02 PM
Biden in St. Louis.... There’s something seriously wrong with him. And Dems are on the brink of nominating this guy because their alternative is a Marxist.

Bernie is 2 years older and recently suffered a heart attack, we love old people in politics now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
Yeah, but of the three he’s the only one that knows where he is


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 08, 2020, 08:23:33 PM
Yeah, but of the three he’s the only one that knows where he is


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I agree.  He also scares the crap out of the billionaires; maybe that's why Biden has over 90 backing him.  Don't worry thou, the majority of the rubes think he's a Marxist or communist.  They don't have any idea what a socialist is about; even thou most of these ppl benefit from the many socialist government programs. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
MIR - for some reason I thought you lived in Iowa? That’s not a tossup state anymore. Especially not after every prominent Dem torched Iowans as a bunch bigoted hicks during the Hawkeye Debaci.

I am genuinely confused. Bigoted? They mumped up the caucus, but bigoted?

He's a stupid dipshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
i'm not sure how realistic it is, but there is a ton of talk on twitter about not letting iowa go first again or not letting them have a caucus instead of a primary again or both.

I'm certain that Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada will all have primaries on the first day. At least that's what the DNC should do, but they're just as stupid as Kdub is. No one talked about it but the Nevada caucus was just as mumped as Iowa was.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2020, 09:36:24 PM
There are complaints that Iowa's population isn't representative enough of the rest of the country. Maybe there is some merit to that idea. The 2020 Democratic nominee did finish in fourth place there.

That's a tough argument to make considering he was beat by a gay dude, a Jew, and a woman.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2020, 09:42:31 PM
So I'm watching The Circus right now, and Beto is either a liar or a bit of a dufus. He said his 13 year old convinced him to endorse Biden. Is this the equivalent of a Jimmy Haslam having a homeless man convince him to draft Johnny Football?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 08, 2020, 11:14:58 PM
I'm certain that Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada will all have primaries on the first day. At least that's what the DNC should do, but they're just as stupid as Kdub is. No one talked about it but the Nevada caucus was just as mumped as Iowa was.

i think they should have new hampshire and south carolina week 1, iowa and nevada week 2 and two other small/medium states week 3 then super tuesday.  but i think it's actually really hard to change anything and if i had to bet, i'd bet it all stays the same except nevada goes to a primary and maybe the iowa caucus stays a caucus in name but becomes more like a primary somehow.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 09, 2020, 07:03:24 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
Joe is going to go on a comfy blunder cruise into this general


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 09, 2020, 09:33:51 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1235679732873580544

Now liberals will say that Trump is "crazy" too, but I think you all know that what's going on with Biden is different. I would posit that both Trump and Biden are, by and large, idiots. They're also egomaniacs - perhaps Trump moreso that even Biden. But Biden appears to be legit suffering from some form of dementia or other mental degeneration. I don't even like the guy but I fell weirdly sad for him. Do you think he wants to be doing this at his age, or is he just soldiering on out of some duty of loyalty?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 09, 2020, 09:35:40 AM
I think it's highly likely he steps down during the first year of his term. His VP pick should make or break him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 09, 2020, 09:40:14 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1235679732873580544

Now liberals will say that Trump is "crazy" too, but I think you all know that what's going on with Biden is different. I would posit that both Trump and Biden are, by and large, idiots. They're also egomaniacs - perhaps Trump moreso that even Biden. But Biden appears to be legit suffering from some form of dementia or other mental degeneration. I don't even like the guy but I fell weirdly sad for him. Do you think he wants to be doing this at his age, or is he just soldiering on out of some duty of loyalty?



“Perhaps”? AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2020, 01:56:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1235679732873580544

Now liberals will say that Trump is "crazy" too, but I think you all know that what's going on with Biden is different. I would posit that both Trump and Biden are, by and large, idiots. They're also egomaniacs - perhaps Trump moreso that even Biden. But Biden appears to be legit suffering from some form of dementia or other mental degeneration. I don't even like the guy but I fell weirdly sad for him. Do you think he wants to be doing this at his age, or is he just soldiering on out of some duty of loyalty?

I'm amazed that he continually talks about and says the name Uighurs in debates, he's going to eff it up eventually, to hilarious results.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
I don't get egomaniacal  vibes out of Biden FWIW.
I get the opposite of those vibes but MAGAs gonna MAGA.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 09, 2020, 04:32:59 PM
Just remembering how often Obama's "disgusting ego" was brought up by literally every trump guy on this blog
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2020, 04:36:25 PM
All presidential candidates are egomaniacal. I couldn't imagine someone having a more inflated sense of self than I do, and I wouldn't dream of running for POTUS, maybe it would be different if I was a white dude? It takes a special sort to think you are capable of being the leader of the free world, even more so as a septuagenarian, further still one who has spent the last 30 years losing presidential campaigns.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 09, 2020, 04:40:46 PM
All presidential candidates are egomaniacal. I couldn't imagine someone having a more inflated sense of self than I do, and I wouldn't dream of running for POTUS, maybe it would be different if I was a white dude? It takes a special sort to think you are capable of being the leader of the free world, even more so as a septuagenarian, further still one who has spent the last 30 years losing presidential campaigns. I couldn't imagine someone having a more inflated sense of self than I do and I wouldn't dream of running for POTUS, maybe it would be different if I was a white dude.

Absolutely true. Most have the good sense to hide it. Some like trump and nixon just let it fly
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 09, 2020, 04:55:42 PM
All presidential candidates are egomaniacal. I couldn't imagine someone having a more inflated sense of self than I do, and I wouldn't dream of running for POTUS, maybe it would be different if I was a white dude? It takes a special sort to think you are capable of being the leader of the free world, even more so as a septuagenarian, further still one who has spent the last 30 years losing presidential campaigns. I couldn't imagine someone having a more inflated sense of self than I do and I wouldn't dream of running for POTUS, maybe it would be different if I was a white dude.

Absolutely true. Most have the good sense to hide it. Some like trump and nixon just let it fly

Agree with all the above, except that Biden isn’t hiding it and never has. Stop being such Lying Dog Faced Pony Soldiers, Biden defenders. Conflating Trump’s Trumpism to whatever sad mental deterioration Biden is suffering does a disservice to mental health.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 09, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
Yeah, most of Trump's issues have more to do with him never being smart to begin with than mental degradation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 09, 2020, 05:14:47 PM
Yeah, most of Trump's issues have more to do with him never being smart to begin with than mental degradation.

Yup. A liberal acquaintance of mine said the other day that “well, Trump is clearly losing his mind, too - he’s clearly showing signs of dementia.” To which my natural response was “how do you figure - he’s been this way pretty much his whole life.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2020, 05:48:34 PM
Yeah, most of Trump's issues have more to do with him never being smart to begin with than mental degradation.
Obviously true


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 09, 2020, 09:17:12 PM
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1235965156024291330

Biden now 99% to win majority of delegates on this thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 09, 2020, 11:39:24 PM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1237174219793936384
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 10, 2020, 12:12:21 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1237174219793936384

You really think it's just Fox?  Haven't you watched any of the late night shows.  There's jokes about Biden losing his old mine on ever one of them.   
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2020, 12:14:48 AM
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/3/9/21168312/bernie-bros-bernie-sanders-chapo-trap-house-dirtbag-left

I love Liz, she's dead wrong about the toxicity only being limited to Sanders supporters. He definitely has more of them, and his seem to be uniquely misogynistic, but there were an and continue to be many other candidates with supporters online who behave poorly. I had as many incidences with Warren supporters as I did Sanders supporters. Pete's people were just as tone deaf as you would think they are. Once Biden's people woke up, they acted like everyone who didn't support him was a racist. The worst incident I had on twitter was from a Kamala Harris supporter, some demented white woman who called me a sellout because I had the nerve to defend Iowa's ability to vote for persons of color.

As much as I love twitter, it's a cesspool, no candidate can control anonymous supporters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 10, 2020, 12:18:36 AM
yeah, it's bernieworld too.  and it will move (has moved) into popular discourse because there's enough oldness/difficulty speaking for it to stick.


the corruption stuff was never going to stick like it did to clinton, but this will.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 04:23:09 AM
yeah, it's bernieworld too.  and it will move (has moved) into popular discourse because there's enough oldness/difficulty speaking for it to stick.


the corruption stuff was never going to stick like it did to clinton, but this will.

I think you dismissing the corruption stuff is a bit optimistic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 07:58:32 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1237174219793936384
Appreciate the updates but not necessary. We have Dax and KSUW to give us the latest talking points.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 09:47:29 AM
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1237386590340755456?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
yeah, it's bernieworld too.  and it will move (has moved) into popular discourse because there's enough oldness/difficulty speaking for it to stick.


the corruption stuff was never going to stick like it did to clinton, but this will.

I think you dismissing the corruption stuff is a bit optimistic.

Agreed. It isn’t corruption. It’s nepotistic corruption, and Hunter’s going to be a big problem.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1237386590340755456?s=21
Remember when everyone was saying that Trump would skip the debates? Might be Biden that wants to. He's most effective when he doesn't have to do anything.

Also congrats Trump on your reelection
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
I don't see how Hunter is any more of a blatant case of nepotism than Jared and Ivanka are. I guess people who might vote for Biden may care more about right and wrong than people who vote for Donald, but I just don't see it making or breaking anyone.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 10:21:56 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1237174219793936384

I’m sure there will be a letter signed by “100 concerned medical professionals” about Biden’s mental state any day now....
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
I don't see how Hunter is any more of a blatant case of nepotism than Jared and Ivanka are. I guess people who might vote for Biden may care more about right and wrong than people who vote for Donald, but I just don't see it making or breaking anyone.

Jared and Ivanka actually seem really smart and accomplished? Whereas Hunter appears to be a total eff-up who landed a sweet gig on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm without ever once visiting the office because his daddy was Veep. What’s the similar nepotistic corruption in favor of Jared and Ivanka?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2020, 10:34:03 AM
I don't see how Hunter is any more of a blatant case of nepotism than Jared and Ivanka are. I guess people who might vote for Biden may care more about right and wrong than people who vote for Donald, but I just don't see it making or breaking anyone.

Jared and Ivanka actually seem really smart and accomplished? Whereas Hunter appears to be a total eff-up who landed a sweet gig on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm without ever once visiting the office because his daddy was Veep. What’s the similar nepotistic corruption in favor of Jared and Ivanka?

They couldn't get security clearances and they sit in on cabinet meetings.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 10:35:41 AM
https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1237387463246708736?s=19

Shushing the female staffer is worse than telling the gun guy he's full of crap imo
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
I don't see how Hunter is any more of a blatant case of nepotism than Jared and Ivanka are. I guess people who might vote for Biden may care more about right and wrong than people who vote for Donald, but I just don't see it making or breaking anyone.

Jared and Ivanka actually seem really smart and accomplished? Whereas Hunter appears to be a total eff-up who landed a sweet gig on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm without ever once visiting the office because his daddy was Veep. What’s the similar nepotistic corruption in favor of Jared and Ivanka?

Perfect evidence that Trump can talk about corruption with Hunter Biden and it will only suppress turnout among some segments of dems and also will serve to remind every suburban white person that it is OK to Vote for Trump because of what the Democrats are up to again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2020, 10:48:43 AM
Kdub, question:

I don't really see this happening, but say trump drops pence and selects one of the javankas for VP, would this matter to you at all?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 10:56:27 AM
https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1237387463246708736?s=19

Shushing the female staffer is worse than telling the gun guy he's full of crap imo
Yeah I think the full of crap thing is more Joe interacting with the guy in a way he thinks the dude would best receive it. Shushing the female staffer is pretty :sdeek: unless you’ve seen enough Biden interactions to believe he’d have done the exact same thing if it were a guy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
America recently elected the son of an ex-president to be president, and almost elected the wife of an ex-president to be president. And a big chunk of it is into the royal family scene. That’s rough ridin' crazy if anyone cares at all about perks given to the 2020 finalists and their offspring.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
I like how Joe handles the MAGAs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 11:32:31 AM
America recently elected the son of an ex-president to be president, and almost elected the wife of an ex-president to be president. And a big chunk of it is into the royal family scene. That’s rough ridin' crazy if anyone cares at all about perks given to the 2020 finalists and their offspring.

Excuse me, George W. Bush was a born again Texas rancher that just happened to share a last name with that CIA Northeastern WASP guy and Hillary was the most qualified presidential candidate of all time!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
It's really not that crazy for children to aspire to do what their parents did whether its politics, professional athletics, company ownership, military service, etc.  That one of those children within the last 100+ years was sufficiently successful and well known to get elected president like his dad doesn't strike me as odd at all.  At least no moreso than a father & son both being in like the MLB or NFL hall of fame.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 01:24:28 PM
It's really not that crazy for children to aspire to do what their parents did whether its politics, professional athletics, company ownership, military service, etc.  That one of those children within the last 100+ years was sufficiently successful and well known to get elected president like his dad doesn't strike me as odd at all.  At least no moreso than a father & son both being in like the MLB or NFL hall of fame.

Well at least we can agree that we live in a meritocracy and the sons, daughters, wives, husbands and in laws of our politicians just happen to be the most qualified just like the best athletes in the world.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 01:35:41 PM
A meritocracy would probably be way more bat crap crazy to try to put in practice than whatever it is we have now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 10, 2020, 01:41:18 PM
It's really not that crazy for children to aspire to do what their parents did whether its politics, professional athletics, company ownership, military service, etc.  That one of those children within the last 100+ years was sufficiently successful and well known to get elected president like his dad doesn't strike me as odd at all.  At least no moreso than a father & son both being in like the MLB or NFL hall of fame.

Well at least we can agree that we live in a meritocracy and the sons, daughters, wives, husbands and in laws of our politicians just happen to be the most qualified just like the best athletes in the world.
It’s just that their parents worked hard to provide a better life for their children.  Would hate to remove that incentive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 01:43:59 PM
It's really not that crazy for children to aspire to do what their parents did whether its politics, professional athletics, company ownership, military service, etc.  That one of those children within the last 100+ years was sufficiently successful and well known to get elected president like his dad doesn't strike me as odd at all.  At least no moreso than a father & son both being in like the MLB or NFL hall of fame.

Well at least we can agree that we live in a meritocracy and the sons, daughters, wives, husbands and in laws of our politicians just happen to be the most qualified just like the best athletes in the world.
It’s just that their parents worked hard to provide a better life for their children.  Would hate to remove that incentive.

the Trumps and Bushes didn't just work hard, they worked the hardest! Admirable
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
If you can’t guarantee your failson a 6 figure no show job then why would anyone make the sacrifice to run for public office?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2020, 01:53:05 PM
America recently elected the son of an ex-president to be president, and almost elected the wife of an ex-president to be president. And a big chunk of it is into the royal family scene. That’s rough ridin' crazy if anyone cares at all about perks given to the 2020 finalists and their offspring.

Obviously no one cares. KW is too rough ridin' stupid to realize that the guy we have in office now has taken nepotism for idiot offspring to a new level. RATM is right that Biden voters absolutely care more about giving favors to your dumb rough ridin' kids, but Trump normalized this for ever and ever. Hunter getting money for crap jobs pales in comparison to the trump spawn getting security clearances and traveling the world getting paid to embarrass the country every time they open their mouths. It is hilarious that any republican, with a straight face, would mention nepotism as an issue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 02:03:57 PM
Frankly, I never got the hysteria over Jared’s security clearance and I don’t see how that compares in any way to Hunter Biden. Jared went to work for his father-in-law, who happens to be POTUS. By all accounts, Jared is actually working at his job, including trying to broker an immigration deal and developing what has been widely regarded as the most serious plan for Mideast peace we’ve seen to date. Are you really suggesting that a president should never be permitted to allow intelligent family members to participate in an administration?

Even if you do think that, how on earth is that comparable to the Hunter Biden situation, who collected a fat paycheck to do jack crap because his daddy was veep? Is there something I’m missing here? Is Jared corruptly leveraging his security clearance for financial gain?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 02:06:43 PM
Is Jared corruptly leveraging his security clearance for financial gain?

I mean...most likely
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 02:09:12 PM
Almost certainly. I think there may even be proof of it. Too many scandals to remember exactly.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2020, 02:09:47 PM
There is zero possibility that that trump could independently get a security clearance, so obviously people that vote for him won't care that admin officials can't get one either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Frankly, I never got the hysteria over Jared’s security clearance and I don’t see how that compares in any way to Hunter Biden. Jared went to work for his father-in-law, who happens to be POTUS. By all accounts, Jared is actually working at his job, including trying to broker an immigration deal and developing what has been widely regarded as the most serious plan for Mideast peace we’ve seen to date. Are you really suggesting that a president should never be permitted to allow intelligent family members to participate in an administration?

Even if you do think that, how on earth is that comparable to the Hunter Biden situation, who collected a fat paycheck to do jack crap because his daddy was veep? Is there something I’m missing here? Is Jared corruptly leveraging his security clearance for financial gain?

The difference is that the unqualified kid getting the job from the US government takes taxpayer money and puts American lives at unnecessary risk, while the unqualified kid on the board of a foreign energy company doesn't cost us anything or put anyone at risk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 02:14:27 PM
By all accounts, Jared is actually working at his job, including trying to broker an immigration deal and developing what has been widely regarded as the most serious plan for Mideast peace we’ve seen to date.

Lmao come on man.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
By all accounts, Jared is actually working at his job, including trying to broker an immigration deal and developing what has been widely regarded as the most serious plan for Mideast peace we’ve seen to date.

Lmao come on man.

Is KSUW talking about the Israel/Palestine deal that didn't involve Palestine?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 02:17:59 PM
Camp David accords? Absolute rough ridin' garbage compared to Jared’s Israel plan that only Israel and the US have agreed to.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2020, 02:25:05 PM
If you can’t guarantee your failson a 6 figure no show job then why would anyone make the sacrifice to run for public office?

Lol at sacrifice.  Yes, personal interest/gain is why almost all run for and try to stay in public office.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
Camp David accords? Absolute rough ridin' garbage compared to Jared’s Israel plan that only Israel and the US have agreed to.

it took some real bi-partisan work to get the US and Israel to agree on ways to be awful to palestine
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 02:32:56 PM
Frankly, I never got the hysteria over Jared’s security clearance and I don’t see how that compares in any way to Hunter Biden. Jared went to work for his father-in-law, who happens to be POTUS. By all accounts, Jared is actually working at his job, including trying to broker an immigration deal and developing what has been widely regarded as the most serious plan for Mideast peace we’ve seen to date. Are you really suggesting that a president should never be permitted to allow intelligent family members to participate in an administration?

Even if you do think that, how on earth is that comparable to the Hunter Biden situation, who collected a fat paycheck to do jack crap because his daddy was veep? Is there something I’m missing here? Is Jared corruptly leveraging his security clearance for financial gain?

The difference is that the unqualified kid getting the job from the US government takes taxpayer money and puts American lives at unnecessary risk, while the unqualified kid on the board of a foreign energy company doesn't cost us anything or put anyone at risk.

They receive no salary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 02:37:32 PM
And Trump donates his $400k or whatever it is.  Doesn't stop him from costing taxpayers millions on golfing trips.  Salaries are the least expensive parts of these positions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 02:40:16 PM
It seems like we won’t be hearing more about the historic and widely praised Middle East peace plan and that is too bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 02:45:12 PM
Whatever you think of the work, whining that a security clearance is on par with Joe and Hunter’s grift was not a solid effort by liberal goEMAW.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
We'll be hearing a lot more about Trump's kids from Bloomberg and anti-Trump conservatives soon enough.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 02:52:40 PM
This is awkward to watch

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1237462855034843136?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 02:53:48 PM
Whatever you think of the work, whining that a security clearance is on par with Joe and Hunter’s grift was not a solid effort by liberal goEMAW.

I am seeing that Hunter Biden's grift will be a pretty big issue for trumpers and I am very much here for it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
This is awkward to watch

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1237462855034843136?s=20

did he threaten to take it outside there at the end? good gravy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Trump is going to be 1000X more of a douche bag than that guy on a debate stage. Biden might charge after him IRL, with cameras rolling.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
Trump is going to be 1000X more of a douche bag than that guy on a debate stage. Biden might charge after him IRL, with cameras rolling.

as I said....I am here for it. 

Can you imagine biden charging trump as trump tries to get away but his painful bones spurs kick in?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 02:59:14 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 03:04:33 PM
Whatever you think of the work, whining that a security clearance is on par with Joe and Hunter’s grift was not a solid effort by liberal goEMAW.

Hold on, I thought you said it would be bad if we couldn’t make exceptions for talented and qualified people that just happened to be family members. Why aren’t you touting the many qualifications and accomplishments of Jared? He would definitely have been considered by any other admin and it would be just outright discrimination to give it to a less qualified individual just because they didn’t happen to be married to the presidents daughter!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 03:07:25 PM
You are selling Jared short! A security clearance? He has been crafting what is widely regarded as the most historic Middle East peace plan and also in his down time strengthening our alliance with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia by developing a close, but very above board, diplomatic relationship with the crown prince mohammed bin salman over WhatsApp.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 10, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
Trump is going to be 1000X more of a douche bag than that guy on a debate stage. Biden might charge after him IRL, with cameras rolling.

as I said....I am here for it. 

Can you imagine biden charging trump as trump tries to get away but his painful bones spurs kick in?

Those are military specific bone spurs that only act up when he was drafted.  In other words, draft dodging bone spurs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Trump is going to be 1000X more of a douche bag than that guy on a debate stage. Biden might charge after him IRL, with cameras rolling.

as I said....I am here for it. 

Can you imagine biden charging trump as trump tries to get away but his painful bones spurs kick in?

Those are military specific bone spurs that only act up when he was drafted.  In other words, draft dodging bone spurs.

Trump lying his ass off so he didn’t have to go to Vietnam is one of the coolest things about him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 03:12:35 PM
I certainly admire being a world class draft dodger/coward.  Just not sure his maga crew appreciate it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 10, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
Trump is going to be 1000X more of a douche bag than that guy on a debate stage. Biden might charge after him IRL, with cameras rolling.

as I said....I am here for it. 

Can you imagine biden charging trump as trump tries to get away but his painful bones spurs kick in?

Those are military specific bone spurs that only act up when he was drafted.  In other words, draft dodging bone spurs.

Trump lying his ass off so he didn’t have to go to Vietnam is one of the coolest things about him.

That's why when it comes to military matters, his kids and in-laws are more than qualified.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 'taterblast on March 10, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
oh man that "shush"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2020, 04:22:11 PM
oh man that "shush"
Would he say that to a MAN?!?!?!?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 10, 2020, 05:05:06 PM
it is pretty wild that 'pubs '16 came down to cruz v trump and dems '20 came down to sanders v biden.  it doesn't seem like chance alone could produce that, there must be something structural.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
 :lol:

https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1237493713120739328?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 10, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
i, obviously, have constructed some sort of a bubble in twitter, so who knows how to take it - but i'd say reactions to the clip that i've seen have probably been about 95% positive.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2020, 05:29:00 PM
If I'd had time, I'd have driven down to the elections center and taken back my Biden vote from yesterday just to get the satisfaction of putting it in the ballot box again today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2020, 05:35:51 PM
Joe tell it like it is, even when he lie,

America has the courage to look the devil in the eye,

And say I love you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
I don’t have a strong opinion positive or negative about it


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 05:46:50 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1237474687279661056?s=20

I don’t have a strong opinion positive or negative about it


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same just makes it more likely that we'll get a hard r out of him in a debate. Also it's amusing that people act like Bernie is hostile and dividing but Joe already won so whatevs.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2020, 05:54:59 PM
Listen here Jack, I dont really care for you, and your family is the best thing you could ever do, but to be proud about it all in your life is the best way for you to be able to live with your own family.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
Lol. The preceding message was a recommendation from a Twitter reply. You too can create your own Biden quote. Just type "Listen here, Jack" and then use predictive text from there...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 06:02:14 PM
oh man that "shush"
Would he say that to a MAN?!?!?!?

I bet he does in the debates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 10, 2020, 06:07:34 PM
Listen here Jack, I dont really care for you, and your family is the best thing you could ever do, but to be proud about it all in your life is the best way for you to be able to live with your own family.

I like to do this when talking to my Jacks I mean sons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 06:19:26 PM
Listen here Jack, I dont really care for you, and your family is the best thing you could ever do, but to be proud about it all in your life is the best way for you to be able to live with your own family.

https://twitter.com/BidenInsultBot/with_replies
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 06:23:02 PM
Bulletproof.

 :cool:

https://twitter.com/TomKludt/status/1237404928823492613
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 06:26:20 PM
people act like Bernie is hostile and dividing but Joe already won so whatevs.

Onmy one of the two can get more than thirty whatever percent of the party vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Biden is unraveling like an old navy sweater in a frat house washer
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 06:59:55 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1237454993625620481
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
Biden is unraveling like an old navy sweater in a frat house washer

It is pretty great

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jamelthecreator/status/1237196728677339136?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
How many months' worth of campaign events can Biden cancel on the basis of COVID-19?
 :cool:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2020, 07:31:59 PM
How many months' worth of campaign events can Biden cancel on the basis of COVID-19?
 :cool:

Do the right thing Joe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
man it's crazy how much people hated hillary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
How many months' worth of campaign events can Biden cancel on the basis of COVID-19?
 :cool:

Lmao, was thinking about that today. I’d ride that thing all the way through the general if possible.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
man it's crazy how much people hated hillary
YES! Hated her entire guts


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 10, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1237454993625620481

Texas, you tease
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1237538598041186305
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2020, 07:54:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1237536750068576257
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2020, 07:58:20 PM
A dude with dementia vs the host of The Apprentice.

Wow. <—— not Dave Armstrong voice.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
When Trump rolls out the 2016 playbook and Biden is defending Hunter Biden getting a six figure no show job in Ukraine and an Amtrak job because he "likes trains" and Trump wins re-election, you guys can pull this back up.

What’s the better play kk? Run Bernie who just got his ass whipped in every single swing state?


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Which of these are swing states?  North Carolina?

Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia

+ Minnesota and Virginia
+Michigan


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 08:16:09 PM
https://twitter.com/MilesParks/status/1237536967056699392?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
Agreed, smart play


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 09:03:29 PM
Yang endorses Biden. lmao Dems hate Bernie’s entire guts.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2020, 09:09:07 PM
I mean there’s really only been one Dem in the race since Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1237559517266624513?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 10, 2020, 09:20:26 PM
https://twitter.com/jamelthecreator/status/1237196728677339136?s=21

We all know the reason... BIG MONEY.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 10, 2020, 09:23:42 PM
man it's crazy how much people hated hillary
YES! Hated her entire guts


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 10, 2020, 09:45:56 PM
Bernie has no path forward but my God that clyburn quote just oozes confidence about how this is all going to play out with “Mr. Electability.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 09:51:53 PM
Is Biden a great candidate with high “electability”? I’d certainly say no. Does he have an extraordinary higher “electability” than Bernie? America certainly says yes.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 10, 2020, 10:03:29 PM
good speech by biden.


sanders should drop out tonight.  there's nothing he can accomplish now other than to diminish himself and his supporters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 10:19:07 PM
sanders should drop out tonight.  there's nothing he can accomplish now other than to diminish himself and his supporters.

Yeah. Honestly throwing all his support behind Joe really soon would probably be the best thing for his long term agenda and future progressive candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 10, 2020, 10:20:05 PM
Joe Biden huh? Ok!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2020, 10:24:30 PM
Joe Biden huh? Ok!
That’s where I’m at. We’ve avoided a socialist. He’ll probably surround himself with smart and good people if he’s elected. He’s obviously losing it though.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2020, 10:25:24 PM
If elected, Biden's gonna get the band back together!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 10, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
Debates wouldn’t matter at all


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I agree but it may have been a slight risk if it was just Bernie and Joe.

Slight risk of what?


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Biden doing something crazy or offensive like dropping a hard R. Better chance with a smaller crowd
https://twitter.com/jaboukie/status/1237586021979545601?s=19
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: dal9 on March 10, 2020, 11:54:33 PM
2/10
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2020, 01:20:16 AM
I'm honestly wondering if I'll ever vote dem in a presidential election ever again. I feel like I have no place in the current makeup of American politics. If the Republican Party ever took their agenda back from MAGA, the NRA, and Southern Baptists, I and others like me could be had. It seems as if the democrats have completely abandoned trying to have any type of distinctive agenda, literally threw two elections away and alienated voters 18-40 just because they only wanted to beat trump. He hurt the feelings of democratic insiders that he stopped supporting and inviting to parties.

eff everything, including bitch ass Jim Clyburn.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2020, 05:59:51 AM
Good for Democrats for seeing that there is no better agenda right now than beating Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2020, 06:53:09 AM
Crushing it.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1237582232178417665
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 11, 2020, 07:10:17 AM
If elected, Biden's gonna get the band back together!

Obama for Secretary of State.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DQ12 on March 11, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
I'm honestly wondering if I'll ever vote dem in a presidential election ever again. I feel like I have no place in the current makeup of American politics. If the Republican Party ever took their agenda back from MAGA, the NRA, and Southern Baptists, I and others like me could be had. It seems as if the democrats have completely abandoned trying to have any type of distinctive agenda, literally threw two elections away and alienated voters 18-40 just because they only wanted to beat trump. He hurt the feelings of democratic insiders that he stopped supporting and inviting to parties.

eff everything, including bitch ass Jim Clyburn.
Different side of the same coin for me.  Two party system makes it really hard/coincidental to vote for the candidate that aligns with your views on the handful of issues you care most about.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2020, 12:17:42 PM
Democrats will love this move!

https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/1237778559164469249
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2020, 12:24:44 PM
Like, he thought he was too special to drop out last year and everyone just went along with it. Now, he's pulling the same crap. I think Biden should just tell him no thanks on the debate on the basis that he's already won.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on March 11, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
but why.gif
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: meow meow on March 11, 2020, 12:35:42 PM
yeah there's no way Biden debates him
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 11, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
Yeah, Biden should declare victory and move on to Trump. Also it would be so delicious to see the Bernie Bro reactions to it.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2020, 07:40:36 AM
I guess Biden can do what people like dumbfuck Jim Carville are asking for and essentially ignore the rest of the primaries but that would to two things.

1. Lose the high ground when criticizing pubs about disenfranchising voters, which is a really big deal during statewide elections. I suppose there's nothing stopping them from being giant hypocrites. Some of these establishment democrats have changed the rules of engagement, winning has become more important than anything else.

2. They will ensure that Biden would lose a significant, needed component of the voters in December. If you're a Biden supporter I'd want Bernie in the primaries as long as possible. They should be begging him to stay until Biden reaches the delegate magic number. There are enough voters who think the democratic establishment have a thumb on the scale, that needs to be mitigated as much as possible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
I just think it will be good for everyone involved if someone tells Bernie and his overinflated ego to eff off. Including Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 07:52:51 AM
Like, which Bernie voters does Biden NEED? The ones not voting for Biden regardless?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2020, 08:15:20 AM
I just think it will be good for everyone involved if someone tells Bernie and his overinflated ego to eff off. Including Bernie.

Hmmmm interesting take. Even if you think Bernie owes the democratic party anything, he definitely doesn't, his supporters need to be heard. I thought the democratic party used to give a damn about that.

Like, which Bernie voters does Biden NEED? The ones not voting for Biden regardless?

He needs as many as he can get. If beating Trump is apparently the goal, how stupid would it be to just ignore those voters? You can't actually think disenfranchising voters is a winning philosophy. The exit polls said 50% of Sanders voters wouldn't automatically support the democratic nominee, despite some amazingly dumb hot takes, they will be well served to shrink that number as much as they can, and not grow it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2020, 08:18:33 AM
Chum1 is starting to talk like Biden: “go eff yourself and don’t you dare vote for me eff head.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 08:27:28 AM
To put it another way, in order to win the general election, Biden needs to turn out some people Hillary failed to in a few key states. How is Bernie helping Biden with these? Suburban voters? White rural voters? Black voters? Biden is kicking Bernie's ass with all of them.

Is the criticism that Biden isn't a good candidate because he doesn't appeal to 100% of the people who might ever vote for the Democratic nominee? That's totally unrealistic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 08:31:42 AM
He (and maybe more importantly, the party) might want to do something to appeal to young voters :dunno:

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2020, 08:40:06 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 08:41:57 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.

Might not matter to Biden as much as the party if they're thinking long-term. they won't be young voters forever
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 08:44:09 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.

Might not matter to Biden as much as the party if they're thinking long-term. they won't be young voters forever

Unfortunately, and I really wish it wasn't this way, but today's young progressives are tomorrow's moderate and conservative voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.

Might not matter to Biden as much as the party if they're thinking long-term. they won't be young voters forever

Unfortunately, and I really wish it wasn't this way, but today's young progressives are tomorrow's moderate and conservative voters.

oh, eff em then
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
It's just pragmatic for an older person heavily invested in the market to not vote for economic disruption.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 09:07:17 AM
It's just pragmatic for an older person heavily invested in the market to not vote for economic disruption.

will millennials be as heavily invested in the market as boomers or even gen x'ers?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.

Might not matter to Biden as much as the party if they're thinking long-term. they won't be young voters forever

Unfortunately, and I really wish it wasn't this way, but today's young progressives are tomorrow's moderate and conservative voters.

oh, eff em then

Lol. I don't mean that they don't deserve any representation. But, yeah, your representation will be limited if you don't vote. That's how it works. Obviously.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
It's just pragmatic for an older person heavily invested in the market to not vote for economic disruption.

will millennials be as heavily invested in the market as boomers or even gen x'ers?

Probably not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
Young voters are fool's gold.

Might not matter to Biden as much as the party if they're thinking long-term. they won't be young voters forever

Unfortunately, and I really wish it wasn't this way, but today's young progressives are tomorrow's moderate and conservative voters.

oh, eff em then

Lol. I don't mean that they don't deserve any representation. But, yeah, your representation will be limited if you don't vote. That's how it works. Obviously.

"Don't boo. Vote."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2020, 09:10:41 AM
youngsters don't vote. that's a fact. once they become older moderates they vote. another fact. unfortunately boomer facebook conservatives vote at about a 100% turnout. 3 facts in a row. biden should try to tell bernie and his bros as nicely as possible to eff off and then also vote for him. that's a tricky thing to do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 09:22:12 AM
Sanders has been winning the 30-44 bracket consistently too. Seems dumb to assume that in 10 years those folks will vote like boomers did at the same age but I'll trust the republican experts
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Sanders has been winning the 30-44 bracket consistently too. Seems dumb to assume that in 10 years those folks will vote like boomers did at the same age but I'll trust the republican experts

I'm as far left as anyone here. Maybe farther. I also understand that social progress is SLOW and that the more elections Republicans win, the less progress is made.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2020, 09:33:06 AM
The population is moving left, just not as quickly as you and mir want. When millenials vote in boomer numbers, I doubt it will be for a Bernie type, probably more of a moderate progressive. The zoomers might finally vote in a Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2020, 09:36:43 AM
The fact that young progressives become moderates who become old conservatives is absolutely a fact. And will always be a fact. But, what is progressive/moderate/conservative will change gradually, like it always has.

And I’ll vote Biden and would have voted Bernie while holding my nose if he had won.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2020, 09:39:26 AM
And progressives during the old zoomer era will think Bernie is an establishment cuck who isn't doing enough to get their vote
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
And progressives during the old zoomer era will think Bernie is an establishment cuck who isn't doing enough to get their vote
yep


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 09:57:45 AM
Obama showed you can appeal to the youth without handing elections to republicans and was perceived as the progressive choice in the primary. Trump just mindfucked everyone
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 10:38:38 AM
It also irks me that the three candidates are members of the class "boomers who keep sticking around and won't just rough ridin' retire already" and one of them of course keeps sticking around and won't just rough ridin' drop out of the race already. rough ridin' boomers.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 12, 2020, 10:44:29 AM
trump is a boomer; biden and sanders and dax are of the silent generation
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
Holy crap that's old.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
there's also the money thing with reaching out to the Sanders supporters. Like if there's one thing political parties like is money and he raised a shitload.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 12, 2020, 11:18:44 AM
The fact that young progressives become moderates who become old conservatives is absolutely a fact. And will always be a fact. But, what is progressive/moderate/conservative will change gradually, like it always has.

And I’ll vote Biden and would have voted Bernie while holding my nose if he had won.


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eff YEA, a closet Bernie voter! :crossfingers:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 12, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Holy crap that's old.

Obama is a boomer.  These other old folks are part of the golden goat generation, otherwise known as "The Greatest Generation".  :Ugh:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wELLsculptedbrows on March 12, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
Obama showed you can appeal to the youth without handing elections to republicans and was perceived as the progressive choice in the primary. Trump just mindfucked everyone

Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards are rolling over in their rough ridin' graves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
Obama showed you can appeal to the youth without handing elections to republicans and was perceived as the progressive choice in the primary. Trump just mindfucked everyone

Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards are rolling over in their rough ridin' graves.

they both dropped out in January
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1238160101711720450
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
Elections in the UK are weird though aren't they? Don't they just announce a date like a month in advance and go for it?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on March 12, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
what could we even do if he did delay it tho
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
what could we even do if he did delay it tho

Burn down The White House. That's about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
The population is moving left, just not as quickly as you and mir want. When millenials vote in boomer numbers, I doubt it will be for a Bernie type, probably more of a moderate progressive. The zoomers might finally vote in a Bernie.

We're aware the populous is moving left, the democratic party isn't moving with them/us because they're scared, that's the point of frustration.

Sanders has been winning the 30-44 bracket consistently too. Seems dumb to assume that in 10 years those folks will vote like boomers did at the same age but I'll trust the republican experts

I'm as far left as anyone here. Maybe farther. I also understand that social progress is SLOW and that the more elections Republicans win, the less progress is made.

This is patently false. All modern history has been contrary to this point.

The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.

It sounds like you're saying that progress only comes in big shifts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2020, 03:27:51 PM
The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.

It sounds like you're saying that progress only comes in big shifts.

I mean if there was ever a time to highlight the need for enhanced worker protections, universal health care, and our ability to pay for it all, this is it!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
The Republican Party has consciously moved hard right twice in our lifetime. The Contract With America was a response to the Clinton election. The Tea Party was a response to the Obama election. The blue wave and progressives getting a voice in the house was a response to the trump election. There is no reason for you to think that a moderate democrat getting elected will do anything to appreciably push a liberal agenda. It's literally never been done since LBJ. The Democratic Party has not shown the backbone to move anywhere close to left of center in our lifetime with a presidential win.

It sounds like you're saying that progress only comes in big shifts.

I mean if there was ever a time to highlight the need for enhanced worker protections, universal health care, and our ability to pay for it all, this is it!

Hopefully, the Senate will flip.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on March 12, 2020, 04:55:36 PM
It probably won't
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2020, 05:00:22 PM
It probably won't

Polls look good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
It probably won't

Polls look good.

It's like winning a parlay with a few slight favorites.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 12, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
Obama showed you can appeal to the youth without handing elections to republicans and was perceived as the progressive choice in the primary. Trump just mindfucked everyone

biden should do everything he can to convince you he's a flamethrowing socialist, sd that he's a banal moderate centrist and me that he hates warren.  but he probably doesn't have that ability.

as long as he can convince people that trump is even more trump than they thought and biden isn't clinton, he should have a pretty good chance.  especially if half a million people are dead between now and the election.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 12, 2020, 10:16:47 PM
oh, biden doesn't have to convince me
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2020, 12:23:59 AM
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.

Is this unnecessarily snarky, and half-informed post a reply to my reply to you? Either you didn't understand my reply, just completely changed your argument, or you need to spend more time reading something other than this board. Even a majority of Biden voters, in exit polls, support M4A, criminal justice reform, and some sort of secondary ed cost reforms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2020, 12:31:37 AM
I'm sure it's very frustrating that not enough voters agree with what you think needs to happen. This is the case for most of my views as well.

Is this unnecessarily snarky, and half-informed post a reply to my reply to you? Either you didn't understand my reply, just completely changed your argument, or you need to spend more time reading something other than this board. Even a majority of Biden voters, in exit polls, support M4A, criminal justice reform, and some sort of secondary ed cost reforms.

None of which has been embraced by the DNC or by the "Obama/Biden democrats."

I'll speak to you like a child as you did me. I'm not sure if you know how the national democratic convention works, but the actual nomination process is a small part of what happens there. Most of the time there is spent setting the official platform of the party. We'll see if, unlike you, the DNC actually is paying attention to these exit polls, you know from people actually voting, and move the party even a bit more left of center, or they'll continue to feed everyone the same stale, unimaginative platform that ultimately resulted in Donald Trump being elected president.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 13, 2020, 07:21:25 AM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 13, 2020, 07:52:26 AM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

agree with all of this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 13, 2020, 02:21:36 PM
I think the bigger thing about the 2020 race is if Coronavirus put the Dow Jones/S&P 500 below 18K, it's reasonable to think Trump would cancel the elections "for public safety" and to be rescheduled at a future time....the Senate GOP would be in danger of losing control and go along with it...the SCOTUS realizing Trump would get another 2-3 Judges probably in a year or two
...would say it's constitutional. Election would be scheduled of course after so long of a time...that Trump gets to choose

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1238160101711720450

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1238497838499270658
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
GA now delaying primary. Unless the play by the Dems is to wait to see if both die from Covid-19 or something Bernie needs to drop out. Actually Bernie and Biden both need to drop out. It's like a battle royale but the old asses are hunted by a virus and whoever wins get to beat TF out of another possibly still alive old ass.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
GA now delaying primary. Unless the play by the Dems is to wait to see if both die from Covid-19 or something Bernie needs to drop out. Actually Bernie and Biden both need to drop out. It's like a battle royale but the old asses are hunted by a virus and whoever wins get to beat TF out of another possibly still alive old ass.
Remember that sys post with mayor Pete and the Corona chart? :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2020, 05:39:24 PM
mayor pete would irl kick the living crap out of trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2020, 05:55:54 PM
Can you come back in when you drop out? I assume there are no real rules only custom.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 14, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
DNC should suspend the primaries and declare KU the winner. Er, I mean Pete.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 14, 2020, 05:59:47 PM
DNC should suspend the primaries and declare KU the winner. Er, I mean Pete.

agree on all three counts
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2020, 06:06:04 PM
I mean there's gotta be somewhere out there better than Pete
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 14, 2020, 06:11:54 PM
I mean there's gotta be somewhere out there better than Pete

Right. I had forgotten her.

Edit: Ignore the text/commentary and just watch the video.

https://twitter.com/HappyNoodleUSA/status/1238920574572920833?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
Did they censor penis?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 12:29:31 PM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

(https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000486922809-4p04hs-t500x500.jpg)

There's literally not a single person on this board who thinks "Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same." You are presenting a false choice. I can reject both options without seeing them as equivalent.

There are people, lots of them in fact, that think Biden represents the smallest step forward you could possibly have. He's the one running solely off of what Obama did, not even attempting to distinguish himself in the smallest way possible. The distinguishing components of trump and his presidency are how his lack of moral compass seep into governance when it is impossible for others to get in his way. I think Biden's team handles the COVID response differently, but it certainly isn't outside of the realm of possibility that he would have taken a head-in-the-sand response, he's done nothing in his political history or in this current campaign that would allow anyone to think he would be proactive and progressive in his response.

I'll also point out that no one here has suggested that the Democratic Party adopt Bernie Sanders' platform, whatever that means. The Democratic Party should absolutely adopt a more progressive platform than they appear to have right now, it's literally the will of their voters. Democratic voters have shown that they like the progressive agenda, they just don't want it to come from an old, a woman, or a person of color. Biden is in the position he's in now because he's an old comfortable shoe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2020, 05:45:55 PM
Old comfortable shoe is an apt metaphor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
Bernie at the last chance saloon tonight and he has to throw joe through those funny old west saloon doors and then stomp him out in the muddy thoroughfare.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 15, 2020, 06:02:28 PM
Bernie at the last chance saloon tonight and he has to throw joe through those funny old west saloon doors and then stomp him out in the muddy thoroughfare.

your dude really needs to give up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 15, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Old comfortable shoe is an apt metaphor.

It's also a stinking, fungus, wore out, old shoe that nobody really wants to wear. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 15, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
Bernie is far too self important to drop out. He will go all the way to the convention if he can.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 07:26:26 PM
"We've eaten a lot of our seed corn here." Biden on stimulus. True and words that I really enjoy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2020, 07:30:40 PM
"We've eaten a lot of our seed corn here." Biden on stimulus. True and words that I really enjoy.

His most endearing quality is his idiom use.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 07:46:47 PM
Bernie just got Joe on super pac's. Both looking sharp tonight. Seen a few tweets about how not having live audiences has been amazing. Perhaps there is some truth to that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2020, 08:03:13 PM
Nothing like watching two old men passive aggressively argue with each other.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
You said this.

No, I did not say that!

Everyone, go on the YouTubes. It's all over the YouTube.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 15, 2020, 08:14:22 PM
It’s the police


https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1239358596665786368


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Bernie almost got Biden on social security.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
https://twitter.com/notdred/status/1239356264343310338

He has a little fight left in him
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2020, 08:33:36 PM
Ron Reagan. Lifelong atheist. Not afraid of burning in hell...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 15, 2020, 08:35:25 PM
Ron Reagan. Lifelong atheist. Not afraid of burning in hell...
I IRL LOL’d
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1239368364490993666

Missed this as I was watching Westworld. Not sure how either could eff this up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 15, 2020, 09:23:41 PM
Missed this as I was watching Westworld. Not sure how either could eff this up.

no idea what was asked or said, but "why don't people support you?" is a pretty tough question to answer well, imo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
Missed this as I was watching Westworld. Not sure how either could eff this up.

no idea what was asked or said, but "why don't people support you?" is a pretty tough question to answer well, imo.

Bernie should be prepared for that one, and I don't know why he has such a hard time with African Americans. Biden should just say, "look at your president,"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 15, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Ron Reagan. Lifelong atheist. Not afraid of burning in hell...

Is Ron President Regan's kid?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 15, 2020, 10:19:41 PM
I'm going with the media crony's and say Biden matched George W Bush's '04 campaign as to avoid stuttering and mispronouncing words with complete sentences.  So Biden did good, but not for the reasons that count.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2020, 10:31:47 PM
You said this.

No, I did not say that!

Everyone, go on the YouTubes. It's all over the YouTube.
Well you said it before.

But you said it first.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

Great timing on this take chum. Biden says he is adopting two progressive positions he's spent time arguing against, bankruptcy reform, and free college. It's cute that his campaign thought he could get away with saying he's adopting Elizabeth Warren's policies. Man is whoring himself out for an endorsement from a candidate with whom he fought against on her signature issue. He's every bit as cutthroat ambitious as Hillary Clinton was.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 10:54:00 PM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

Great timing on this take chum. Biden says he is adopting two progressive positions he's spent time arguing against, bankruptcy reform, and free college. It's cute that his campaign thought he could get away with saying he's adopting Elizabeth Warren's policies. Man is whoring himself out for an endorsement from a candidate with whom he fought against on her signature issue. He's every bit as cutthroat ambitious as Hillary Clinton was.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 15, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
Yeah, that still seems unnecessarily risky to me. Especially free college. Seems like his campaign drew the line in the sand at m4a.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 11:00:32 PM
This debate was every bit the unmitigated disaster for Biden that literally everybody thought it would be. The lie and gaffe meter rough ridin' exploded. Post truth America is real, grats dems on adopting the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy on presidential politics. This [redacted] tried to take credit for the Paris Climate Accord, lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 11:03:58 PM
Yeah, that still seems unnecessarily risky to me. Especially free college. Seems like his campaign drew the line in the sand at m4a.

Do you think it's risky because they are positions you don't support? There's a reason he's moved left on them and it isn't because he's suddenly had an epiphany. He may have a hard time reading polls, but the people telling him what to say don't have that same affliction.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 11:05:33 PM
You said this.

No, I did not say that!

Everyone, go on the YouTubes. It's all over the YouTube.

Yes, the pub primary was much more entertaining.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on March 15, 2020, 11:06:21 PM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

Great timing on this take chum. Biden says he is adopting two progressive positions he's spent time arguing against, bankruptcy reform, and free college. It's cute that his campaign thought he could get away with saying he's adopting Elizabeth Warren's policies. Man is whoring himself out for an endorsement from a candidate with whom he fought against on her signature issue. He's every bit as cutthroat ambitious as Hillary Clinton was.
So if Biden didn’t adopt any progressive positions, I kind of doubt you’d be pumping sunshine because he stuck to his true beliefs. I don’t think there is any way he could win for you. If he adopts positions you prefer it will be whoring himself out, and if he doesn’t, he’ll be ignoring the progressive part of the party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2020, 11:07:16 PM
It’s a hold your nose election for sure. I wouldn’t have voted for (this version of) Joe four years ago and I’d vote for Hillary this election if she was the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 15, 2020, 11:11:13 PM
Yeah, that still seems unnecessarily risky to me. Especially free college. Seems like his campaign drew the line in the sand at m4a.

Do you think it's risky because they are positions you don't support? There's a reason he's moved left on them and it isn't because he's suddenly had an epiphany. He may have a hard time reading polls, but the people telling him what to say don't have that same affliction.

No, I support the positions. They're risy because he'll lose some votes from difference making voters. Winning the election is more important than making big campaign statements.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
I find it snarky and insincere when people conclude that Bernie is the only good option on the basis that Biden and Trump are basically the same.

The #1 platform item this year, by far, is Beat Trump. I don't think nominating a guy that a lot of difference making voters have a distaste for is the best way to achieve that. (See Hillary Clinton, e.g.) Further, part of what difference making voters don't like about Bernie is HIS PLATFORM. It would be rough ridin' stupid as eff for Biden to adopt it.

Great timing on this take chum. Biden says he is adopting two progressive positions he's spent time arguing against, bankruptcy reform, and free college. It's cute that his campaign thought he could get away with saying he's adopting Elizabeth Warren's policies. Man is whoring himself out for an endorsement from a candidate with whom he fought against on her signature issue. He's every bit as cutthroat ambitious as Hillary Clinton was.
So if Biden didn’t adopt any progressive positions, I kind of doubt you’d be pumping sunshine because he stuck to his true beliefs. I don’t think there is any way he could win for you. If he adopts positions you prefer it will be whoring himself out, and if he doesn’t, he’ll be ignoring the progressive part of the party.

It's not about him, it's never been about him. It's about the Democratic party. Did you watch the debate? He couldn't articulate why he's shifted on these things, he doesn't believe these things, it's a very obvious ploy and no one without an interest would argue otherwise. He was debating against these issues a month ago. What I'm much more interested in is if these things become adopted in the platform and actually fought for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 11:31:55 PM
Yeah, that still seems unnecessarily risky to me. Especially free college. Seems like his campaign drew the line in the sand at m4a.

Do you think it's risky because they are positions you don't support? There's a reason he's moved left on them and it isn't because he's suddenly had an epiphany. He may have a hard time reading polls, but the people telling him what to say don't have that same affliction.

No, I support the positions. They're risy because he'll lose some votes from difference making voters. Winning the election is more important than making big campaign statements.

This is where we differ. I would 100% take four more years of Trump, if it led to transformative change in the democratic party starting in 2022. The following view of America isn't the sole result of the last three years, it's decades of decline, which includes 16 years of centrist democrat leadership.

https://twitter.com/JeremyKlemin/status/1239218272521859073

We've not made one damn bit of progress on infrastructure, gun control, health care, or higher ed. All things we've been lapped on. A Joe Biden election doesn't change a bit of this. I don't care enough about abortion to care about who gets picked to replace RBG. The court is already slanted right anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 16, 2020, 12:12:28 AM
just drop out, dude.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1239418627155255301
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 16, 2020, 01:48:30 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1239603170382397443
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
this person tricked steve dave into thinking she was a moderate.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1240012636013592581
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
this person tricked steve dave into thinking she was a moderate.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1240012636013592581

I think share buyback restrictions at least are extremely reasonable as that was pretty much covered with Trump's corporate tax cut
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2020, 04:37:08 PM
Get 'em liz
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2020, 04:40:20 PM
this person tricked steve dave into thinking she was a moderate.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1240012636013592581
I WAS DUPED!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
Actually I knew little about her and was going on gut feeling about how reasonable she sounded. I FOUND YOU OUT LIZ!


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2020, 04:47:25 PM
I think share buyback restrictions at least are extremely reasonable as that was pretty much covered with Trump's corporate tax cut

that's the dumbest of the proposals listed and i have no idea what connection you see to trump's tax cut.


the obsession populists have with stock buybacks is the most mystifying thing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
did Liz just copy and paste bernie's plan? good grief
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
I think share buyback restrictions at least are extremely reasonable as that was pretty much covered with Trump's corporate tax cut

that's the dumbest of the proposals listed and i have no idea what connection you see to trump's tax cut.


the obsession populists have with stock buybacks is the most mystifying thing.

I don't fully get it either or feel too strongly about it but I was watching the chyron on the news this week and in reference to the airline bailouts they noted that Delta or United had used all their reserve cash on buybacks. But I think in general the idea is that more profits should go back to workers rather than stock price manipulation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 17, 2020, 05:49:42 PM
It doesn’t have anything to do with stock price manipulation


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2020, 06:01:59 PM
It doesn’t have anything to do with stock price manipulation


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it's obviously never the stated reason but it generally leads to higher share price, doesn't it? Like I said I'm not too deep into this but I found these two links in ten minutes of googling.


this first one kind of makes the case for why progressives are against them:

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One class of shareholder, however, has benefited greatly from the temporary price jumps: the managers who initiate buybacks and are privy to their exact scope and timing. Last year, SEC Commissioner Robert Jackson Jr. instructed his staff to “take a look at how buybacks affect how much skin executives keep in the game.” This analysis revealed that in the eight days following a buyback announcement, executives on average sold five times as much stock as they had on an ordinary day. “Thus,” Jackson said, “executives personally capture the benefit of the short-term stock-price pop created by the buyback announcement.”

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By contrast, the median worker pay at Home Depot is $23,000 a year. If the money spent on buybacks had been used to boost salaries, the Roosevelt Institute and the National Employment Law Project calculated, each worker would have made an additional $18,000 a year. But buybacks are more than just unfair. They’re myopic. Amazon (which hasn’t repurchased a share in seven years) is presently making the sort of investments in people, technology, and products that could eventually make Home Depot irrelevant. When that happens, Home Depot will probably wish it hadn’t spent all those billions to buy back 35 percent of its shares. “When you’ve got a mature company, when everything seems to be going smoothly, that’s the exact moment you need to start worrying Jeff Bezos is going to start eating your lunch,” the shareholder activist Nell Minow told me.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/08/the-stock-buyback-swindle/592774/

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In the public market, a buyback will always increase the stock’s value to the benefit of shareholders. However, investors should ask whether a company is merely using buybacks to prop up ratios, provide short-term relief to an ailing stock price, or to get out from under excessive dilution.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/041702.asp
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2020, 06:03:41 PM
did Liz just copy and paste bernie's plan? good grief

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/21671aa954e6202aa9406a78d14e2ffb/tenor.gif?itemid=8214638)

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2020, 06:25:31 PM
a buyback is a dividend is a buyback is a dividend.


just tax buybacks as dividends (and if you want put in that execs can't buy or sell shares or options for a short time before or after a buyback or buyback announcement, that's fine too).  and then i never want to hear a politician mention them again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2020, 06:27:58 PM
a buyback is a dividend is a buyback is a dividend.


just tax buybacks as dividends (and if you want put in that execs can't buy or sell shares or options for a short time before or after a buyback or buyback announcement, that's fine too).  and then i never want to hear a politician mention them again.

Ok that works for me
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
getting buried again tonight.

https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1240078193605795848
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 17, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1240085522137124867

This seems like a horrible idea, but I can't think of an alternative. Bernie should consider this when weighing whether or not to continue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 17, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
they should move to vote by mail for remaining primaries and states that need to postpone in order to put that in place should do so.


also sanders should drop out.  continuing is pointless.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
Oof

https://twitter.com/sabrod123/status/1240081396816887813
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 17, 2020, 09:06:02 PM
I don't get it; why are ppl so stupid.  Biden and Liz both steal Bernie's plan's and make them their own and ppl think they're great plans.  They don't call either rough ridin' backless commies', but somehow Bernie is?   :facepalm:


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 17, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
I don't get it; why are ppl so stupid.  Biden and Liz both steal Bernie's plan's and make them their own and ppl think they're great plans.  They don't call either rough ridin' backless commies', but somehow Bernie is?   :facepalm:

Sounds like Bernie missed his calling as a political consultant. Maybe he could join Biden's campaign?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2020, 09:19:51 PM
they should move to vote by mail for remaining primaries and states that need to postpone in order to put that in place should do so.


also sanders should drop out.  continuing is pointless.
Yep. IMO he should have started to extend the olive branch sooner to try to build goodwill between progressives and the party which could make help future progressive candidates.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 17, 2020, 09:25:06 PM
I don't get it; why are ppl so stupid.  Biden and Liz both steal Bernie's plan's and make them their own and ppl think they're great plans.  They don't call either rough ridin' backless commies', but somehow Bernie is?   :facepalm:

Sounds like Bernie missed his calling as a political consultant. Maybe he could join Biden's campaign?

Well it's clear the DNC and the rich/corp. got their way.  Bernie is mumped. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 17, 2020, 09:26:37 PM
I don't get it; why are ppl so stupid.  Biden and Liz both steal Bernie's plan's and make them their own and ppl think they're great plans.  They don't call either rough ridin' backless commies', but somehow Bernie is?   :facepalm:

Sounds like Bernie missed his calling as a political consultant. Maybe he could join Biden's campaign?

Well it's clear the DNC and the rich/corp. got their way.  Bernie is mumped.

Oh, my sweet, sweet summer child...
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 17, 2020, 09:33:15 PM
I don't get it; why are ppl so stupid.  Biden and Liz both steal Bernie's plan's and make them their own and ppl think they're great plans.  They don't call either rough ridin' backless commies', but somehow Bernie is?   :facepalm:

Sounds like Bernie missed his calling as a political consultant. Maybe he could join Biden's campaign?

Well it's clear the DNC and the rich/corp. got their way.  Bernie is mumped.

Oh, my sweet, sweet summer child...

You know Clinton did the same crap at the 2016 primary convention, and we all know what that got her.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
Oof

https://twitter.com/sabrod123/status/1240081396816887813

He won like 3 in '16. It's established that southerners and olds don't like him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on March 18, 2020, 09:23:14 AM
https://twitter.com/KansasDems/status/1240014595944853505

 :D
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2020, 09:39:48 AM
Bernie’s going to drop out, good for him


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2020, 12:26:28 PM
a buyback is a dividend is a buyback is a dividend.


just tax buybacks as dividends (and if you want put in that execs can't buy or sell shares or options for a short time before or after a buyback or buyback announcement, that's fine too).  and then i never want to hear a politician mention them again.

Ok that works for me

check out this commie

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1240259826745315328
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2020, 12:53:34 PM
still dumb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Not worried. Hawaii hasn't voted yet.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1240331789933174785
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 18, 2020, 02:58:29 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1240307447455191041
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
seems like a 0% chance run for president may be a bit of a distraction to your focus Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Just a guess here, but maybe he's staying in the race in an attempt to farther move Biden and the DNC left. Not sure it will work, can't think of another reason. He pulled his Facebook ads.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2020, 08:43:48 PM
i think he'll probably suspend before the next election.  practically speaking, there's no real hurry.  there isn't another election for several weeks, there aren't any more debates scheduled, candidates aren't doing campaign events any more.

he can take a few days and think about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 18, 2020, 10:32:29 PM
short, but good, distillation of sanders 2020.

https://twitter.com/huzzahmpls/status/1240474730064482304
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2020, 10:33:44 PM
his zombie vid was pretty adorbs
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2020, 09:55:46 AM
 :cry:

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1240651576492072969
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Tulsi did not seem nearly so nuts when she first started her campaign.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 19, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
Tulsi did not seem nearly so nuts when she first started her campaign.
She’s always been fairly nuts but I think realizing 100% of the people voting for her were completely off the rails nuts incentivized her taking it up a notch


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 19, 2020, 12:15:37 PM
I think this country could use MORE Tulsi in her white suit glistening with body glitter, instead we get less.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2020, 01:56:00 PM
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1241073884994195459
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 20, 2020, 01:58:58 PM
I'll bet Joe has his assistant print all his emails for him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2020, 02:47:56 PM
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1241073884994195459

What passes for presidential in 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
pretty shitty.

https://twitter.com/MauraBarrettNBC/status/1241017132412022790
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2020, 05:54:28 PM
https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1241105898111561728
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
pretty shitty.

https://twitter.com/MauraBarrettNBC/status/1241017132412022790

He got what he wanted and that was Bernie and Liz out. For him, there's no difference between Trump and Biden, why waste his money? Biden isn't going to move as far as Bloomberg is on guns and the environment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2020, 06:03:48 PM
Biden isn't going to move as far as Bloomberg is on guns and the environment.

you really should read biden's website someday.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2020, 07:16:17 PM
Biden isn't going to move as far as Bloomberg is on guns and the environment.

you really should read biden's website someday.

What makes you think I haven't? Should I believe the website, that he likely had little to no input on, or listen to his actual spoken words?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
yeah, you can choose to believe biden or not, but his plans on gun control and climate change are to the left of bloomberg's.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 20, 2020, 09:43:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1241186321231642624
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 21, 2020, 07:09:47 AM
pretty shitty.

https://twitter.com/MauraBarrettNBC/status/1241017132412022790

Sad to hear you can’t trust billionaires.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
pretty good on the nevada-super tuesday downfall of the sanders campaign.  that sanders apparently couldn't conceive of the notion that a presidential candidate with no viable path to securing the nomination might exit the race is amusing.

https://twitter.com/josecanyousee/status/1241448069729636352
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2020, 07:08:33 PM
yeah, you can choose to believe biden or not, but his plans on gun control and climate change are to the left of bloomberg's.

Yes, I'll choose his words and his 40+ years of governance to determine how he's going to govern, rather than a website done by someone else that he never referenced in his debates.

When you stan for someone, you go all the way man, full clown makeup and all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
i'm not stanning for biden, good grief.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2020, 08:06:34 PM
Call it what you want, I don't care. You seem to be advocating for ignoring his history of governance for whatever is on his dumb website, which you know doesn't mean anything at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 21, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
i didn't advocate that you either ignore it or not ignore it.  do whatever you wish with the information.  you posted that biden wouldn't move towards bloomberg's position on guns or climate change.  my post pointed out that his campaign positions on both are more intrusive than bloomberg's own campaign positions.  that's just fact.


maybe i need to post more beto stuff, if people can't telling who i'm stanning for.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2020, 02:44:56 AM
maybe i need to post more beto stuff, if people can't telling who i'm stanning for.

They've seemingly become one and the same since the endorsement
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
i'm fine with biden.  he was probably the best remaining option after voters had narrowed the field to the worst five or six candidates in the race.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 22, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
why isn't Joe Biden holding any press conferences or seemingly doing anything?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
why isn't Joe Biden holding any press conferences or seemingly doing anything?
Have you heard 2020 Joe talk?


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 22, 2020, 07:41:41 PM
Yeah, that might be the reason. It is too bad he isn’t having press conferences introducing his shadow cabinet and explaining what congress should be doing and calling out dumb crap Trump is doing. He wouldn’t have to take many tough questions because he isn’t actually in charge of anything could come off looking presidential if they did it right.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2020, 07:44:32 PM
the election isn't for another eight months.  no one can even remember what was happening two weeks ago, whatever biden does or doesn't do this week is not going to have any impact whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 22, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
in a semi-related note, brain-rotted sanders supporters on predictit have driven the price of biden being the dem nominee to 85 cents because they're convinced he's either already dead, dying, about to die, likely to be replaced by the dnc or that there won't be a dem nominee this year because coronavirus.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
Great news, guys!

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1241840170955083777
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 22, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
Man I bet that whips


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 22, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
if he does some curls that would be pretty great
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 23, 2020, 01:20:32 AM
Man I bet that whips ass.


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FYP  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
the election isn't for another eight months.  no one can even remember what was happening two weeks ago, whatever biden does or doesn't do this week is not going to have any impact whatsoever.

You're correct. The issue is that he doesn't have the capacity to do one of these things. The twitter video from that gentleman that was posted yesterday was a great video, until it turned into a campaign video complete with solutions that everyone, including the Trump Administration, agrees that need to be done. I'll be interested to see what he does today, given a week + to rehearse the material and nail whatever is on the prompter.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
good job, ohio.

https://twitter.com/FrankLaRose/status/1242184532687761419
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
good job, ohio.

https://twitter.com/FrankLaRose/status/1242184532687761419

he's kind of faded from the spotlight but that governor has seemed to be way ahead of the curve with everything covid related
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 23, 2020, 06:38:42 PM
yeah, he's done really well.  postponing their election at the last minute maybe could have been handled better, but it also took some serious balls (and was the right decision).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 23, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Ohio has been crushing it. The US should provide some very insightful data on various strategies to address a pandemic. We’re still a solid 1-3 weeks away from having a clue on impacts.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2020, 04:59:37 PM
 :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1242562223999983616
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 05:41:19 PM
Why does that bother you? Neither he or Biden have eff all to do. Is it a good idea for Joe Biden to just chill out, not doing crap, until August?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 05:48:26 PM
I don’t pretend to know what the best strategy is for advancing Bernie’s agenda at this point in the midst of a pandemic, but I think having an audience with the American people is probably the best strategy. I don’t think Bernie is going to be very aggressive against Joe but will just reiterate his talking points.

I also hate to bring this up because I am not a “Biden is dead” conspiracy theorist, but I also think that there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.

There is a lot of evidence he doesn’t think he will win.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 06:09:29 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2020, 06:19:50 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 06:21:37 PM
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.

Let me start with a blunt assessment, your reason is really rough ridin' dumb, and isn't actually a reason, I'm 100% sure you know it too. A reason is something that can be presented to Sanders that would make him actually think about quitting. "You're behind in delegates in a two person race," is just as stupid as "You're in 5th place in delegates awarded after three states, and no other candidate has been able to over come that."

Is this the first presidential primary you have followed? There hasn't been a non-incumbent primary in our lifetime in which all of the nominees have cleared the field at this point in the race, especially for a candidate that has only spent three weeks leading. Bernie dropping out now literally serves no one well at all, especially not Joe Biden.

You are letting Trump erode away the logic and common sense parts of your brain.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."

"I'm going to stay in the race because Joe Biden hasn't proved that he has the mental fitness needed to win this race in November."

I don't think that anyone thinks Biden's physical health condition is worse than Sanders.' Just as no one thinks that Biden's mental acuity is anything close to where Sanders' is.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 06:29:08 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."

He doesn’t have to wait for Biden’s brain to break that already happened, he’s just in the race in case people decide that is a problem.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
I'm being facetious about the reason, but not about Bernie's chances.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 06:43:02 PM
I'm being facetious about the reason, but not about Bernie's chances.

I am not arguing with you on that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
You won't get any argument about his chances, from anyone other than a select dummies on twitter. He still shouldn't quit though, and everyone outside of the most ardent Biden supporters should feel that way too. The guy spent a week during the biggest crisis in a generation, dead quiet. He needs a reason to not just slink away until August.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 06:48:01 PM
a)  dem voters are obviously fine with biden's brain health as is,  b)  if biden's brain or his lungs were to suddenly go south before he is formally nominated, someone other than sanders would be the nominee (he would get an outsized voice as to who the nominee would be).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 06:49:53 PM
You won't get any argument about his chances, from anyone other than a select dummies on twitter. He still shouldn't quit though, and everyone outside of the most ardent Biden supporters should feel that way too. The guy spent a week during the biggest crisis in a generation, dead quiet. He needs a reason to not just slink away until August.

he should quit.  there's nothing he can accomplish by staying in and frankly no one gives a crap about the primary anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2020, 06:52:33 PM
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.
Yeah I don’t think it’s offensive, but agree with sys that he doesn’t have a shot regardless of what happens to Biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2020, 07:11:42 PM
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 07:15:32 PM
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.

someone should really poll the question.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 24, 2020, 07:16:43 PM
I've said a couple times that I think there's the potential for Bernie to start integrating progressives into the party more by dropping out and trying to rally around Biden, as much as it would suck now. But I think it's a good long-term play for progressive causes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 24, 2020, 07:24:11 PM
Agreed


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 07:27:29 PM
this actually is a decent reason for sanders not to drop out.

https://twitter.com/PropterMalone/status/1242605876734758912
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 07:55:39 PM
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.

Seems that way
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 24, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
I've said a couple times that I think there's the potential for Bernie to start integrating progressives into the party more by dropping out and trying to rally around Biden, as much as it would suck now. But I think it's a good long-term play for progressive causes.

I think the best way to do this is to stay in and keep forcing him to move left. If Bernie turtles now there's no incentive for Biden to take a position on anything. He needs to be forced to express platforms as much as possible, I don't know how there's any accountability otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 11:07:49 PM
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2020, 02:26:25 AM
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?

Who in the world suggested that? Moving left is the only way that Biden will attract Sanders supporters. Rusty suggested that the best way to do that is for Bernie to quit and the party to coalesce. That didn't happen four years ago and it sure won't happen now. The best way to get those supporters is for Bernie to stay in and drag Joe's ass left.

I do think that health care and our current situation leaves establishment a bit exposed.  Whether it would have made any difference or not with this crisis, progressives can and should shine a light on the failures of this current health care system.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 25, 2020, 03:13:23 AM
yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.  if biden's team thinks they need to move to the left to pick up voters they'll do so regardless of what sanders does.  and if they think he needs to stay where he is or move to the right they'll be equally unconcerned with what sanders does.  they have no reason to care about the primary whatsoever anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
there is a subset of sanders supporters that is as incapable of perceiving and accepting reality as are the hardcore maga.

https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1243191905523040258
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2020, 10:15:13 PM
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?

Who in the world suggested that? Moving left is the only way that Biden will attract Sanders supporters. Rusty suggested that the best way to do that is for Bernie to quit and the party to coalesce. That didn't happen four years ago and it sure won't happen now. The best way to get those supporters is for Bernie to stay in and drag Joe's ass left.

I do think that health care and our current situation leaves establishment a bit exposed.  Whether it would have made any difference or not with this crisis, progressives can and should shine a light on the failures of this current health care system.
FWIW I don't think Bernie dropping out is about bringing in Sanders voters, it's more about showing the party establishment that progressives aren't out to destroy the party and sets progressives up for more long term influence and success from within the party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?

Who in the world suggested that? Moving left is the only way that Biden will attract Sanders supporters. Rusty suggested that the best way to do that is for Bernie to quit and the party to coalesce. That didn't happen four years ago and it sure won't happen now. The best way to get those supporters is for Bernie to stay in and drag Joe's ass left.

I do think that health care and our current situation leaves establishment a bit exposed.  Whether it would have made any difference or not with this crisis, progressives can and should shine a light on the failures of this current health care system.
FWIW I don't think Bernie dropping out is about bringing in Sanders voters, it's more about showing the party establishment that progressives aren't out to destroy the party and sets progressives up for more long term influence and success from within the party.

I agree with this but the establishment isn't behaving that way, they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party. Frankly they are treating the progressives in the house the same way. Just like in '16, when Biden gets his ass kicked, there will be a healthy amount of establishment dems that will blame Bernie instead of their shitty candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 26, 2020, 11:56:15 PM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?

Who in the world suggested that? Moving left is the only way that Biden will attract Sanders supporters. Rusty suggested that the best way to do that is for Bernie to quit and the party to coalesce. That didn't happen four years ago and it sure won't happen now. The best way to get those supporters is for Bernie to stay in and drag Joe's ass left.

I do think that health care and our current situation leaves establishment a bit exposed.  Whether it would have made any difference or not with this crisis, progressives can and should shine a light on the failures of this current health care system.
FWIW I don't think Bernie dropping out is about bringing in Sanders voters, it's more about showing the party establishment that progressives aren't out to destroy the party and sets progressives up for more long term influence and success from within the party.

I agree with this but the establishment isn't behaving that way, they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party. Frankly they are treating the progressives in the house the same way. Just like in '16, when Biden gets his ass kicked, there will be a healthy amount of establishment dems that will blame Bernie instead of their shitty candidate.

yeah and throwing his weight behind Biden, or at the very least against Trump, would force them to stop acting like he (and his followers) want to destroy the party and will pretty much absolve progressives of blame after Biden loses. I think this would do a better job opening doors for future national-level progressives than keeping this going and hoping Biden dies by June.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2020, 11:59:15 PM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664

What do you think that means?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664

yeah this was a really dumb moment for Bernie. He could erase most of the ill will from things like this that by going all in with Biden/against Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 12:14:24 AM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664

yeah this was a really dumb moment for Bernie. He could erase most of the ill will from things like this that by going all in with Biden/against Trump.

What are you asking here? They aren't philosophically close. The issue that Bernie holds most important they are miles apart on. Most progressives and his supporters feel like neo-liberalism is a poor alternative to conservatism, some feel even worse about it. Bernie and the progressives have absolutely nothing to gain by simply going in for Biden against trump. Why? That would render everything he's done useless. It isn't like we don't have history of this playing out already, he's not stupid. He moved aside for Hillary and did more events for her than she did for Obama, it got him and the progressives absolutely nothing. The platform didn't move left at the convention, no progressives got house or senate seats in '16, and the establishment democrats still blame him for Hillary losing.

I get the fear of another four years of Trump, that's what this song and dance is all about. Acting as if he has anything to gain by moving aside is dishonest. The Democrats made this bed, it isn't his job to clean it up for them, especially given he's an independent. Quid pro quo.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2020, 12:17:18 AM
What do you think that means?

he's outlining both the democratic establishment (whatever the eff that means) and the republican establishment (same) as his enemies.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 12:21:36 AM
What do you think that means?

he's outlining both the democratic establishment (whatever the eff that means) and the republican establishment (same) as his enemies.

You don't know what the democratic establishment means and why he's been at odds with them for 30 years? You should spend some time reading his website.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2020, 12:22:57 AM
i try to avoid infecting my brain with populism.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2020, 12:25:31 AM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2020, 12:25:56 AM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664

yeah this was a really dumb moment for Bernie. He could erase most of the ill will from things like this that by going all in with Biden/against Trump.

What are you asking here? They aren't philosophically close. The issue that Bernie holds most important they are miles apart on. Most progressives and his supporters feel like neo-liberalism is a poor alternative to conservatism, some feel even worse about it. Bernie and the progressives have absolutely nothing to gain by simply going in for Biden against trump. Why? That would render everything he's done useless. It isn't like we don't have history of this playing out already, he's not stupid. He moved aside for Hillary and did more events for her than she did for Obama, it got him and the progressives absolutely nothing. The platform didn't move left at the convention, no progressives got house or senate seats in '16, and the establishment democrats still blame him for Hillary losing.

I get the fear of another four years of Trump, that's what this song and dance is all about. Acting as if he has anything to gain by moving aside is dishonest. The Democrats made this bed, it isn't his job to clean it up for them, especially given he's an independent. Quid pro quo.

I honestly don't disagree with anything you're saying (other than I think the party HAS shifted to the left since 2016). But while there isn't much to gain politically in 2020 by dropping out, he can do 2024 and beyond progressive candidates a lot of harm if he's constantly attacking the presumptive nominee during a pandemic and give progressives this outsider/election ruiner label. So even if he gains nothing by dropping out, he at least hopefully makes life easier for the next progressive generation.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 12:28:17 AM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 27, 2020, 12:38:44 AM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?

Edit: Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
 
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
It’s hard to find any articles on it that aren’t from questionable publications. Katie Halper did the interview with her.

Here’s a video from The Rising (which I like).

[youtube] https://youtu.be/P4A0SM3wOSw[/youtube]

Here is the full interview
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 12:39:41 AM
i try to avoid infecting my brain with populism.

Yeah, you are clearly incentivized by the status quo maintaining its grip on our economy and society, and that's fine. I don't know why you're acting as if the current state of the democratic party and progressivism are anything close to the same thing. Nothings more dishonest than moderates running around acting like progressives because you are acutely aware that the party of the civil rights act is dead, and you know the stigma that lies with that. Y'all have Americans voting against their own interests, wear that as a well paid for badge of honor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
they are acting like Bernie is an insurgent who wants to destroy the party.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1231021453270769664

yeah this was a really dumb moment for Bernie. He could erase most of the ill will from things like this that by going all in with Biden/against Trump.

What are you asking here? They aren't philosophically close. The issue that Bernie holds most important they are miles apart on. Most progressives and his supporters feel like neo-liberalism is a poor alternative to conservatism, some feel even worse about it. Bernie and the progressives have absolutely nothing to gain by simply going in for Biden against trump. Why? That would render everything he's done useless. It isn't like we don't have history of this playing out already, he's not stupid. He moved aside for Hillary and did more events for her than she did for Obama, it got him and the progressives absolutely nothing. The platform didn't move left at the convention, no progressives got house or senate seats in '16, and the establishment democrats still blame him for Hillary losing.

I get the fear of another four years of Trump, that's what this song and dance is all about. Acting as if he has anything to gain by moving aside is dishonest. The Democrats made this bed, it isn't his job to clean it up for them, especially given he's an independent. Quid pro quo.

I honestly don't disagree with anything you're saying (other than I think the party HAS shifted to the left since 2016). But while there isn't much to gain politically in 2020 by dropping out, he can do 2024 and beyond progressive candidates a lot of harm if he's constantly attacking the presumptive nominee during a pandemic and give progressives this outsider/election ruiner label. So even if he gains nothing by dropping out, he at least hopefully makes life easier for the next progressive generation.

You're probably correct that the party has moved left but that tree hasn't borne any fruit. There are no progressives other than Warren anywhere close to party leadership and Pelosi has been publicly hostile at times. I think it would be easier for Bernie to step aside and progressives to move with the party of the wounds of '16 weren't so fresh. Also what happened with the moderate candidates and their COLUSION against Bernie and Liz the day before Super Tuesday let them know exactly where they sit with the party. The establishment dems say that they need and want the progressives but every action they have taken, since selecting Tom Perez over Keith Ellison for the party chair, says otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2020, 12:55:17 AM
Also what happened with the moderate candidates and their COLUSION against Bernie and Liz the day before Super Tuesday let them know exactly where they sit with the party.

the voters let them know where they sit with the party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2020, 01:01:22 AM
Yes. That's why we have Mighty Joe Biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 01:06:57 AM
Also what happened with the moderate candidates and their COLUSION against Bernie and Liz the day before Super Tuesday let them know exactly where they sit with the party.

the voters let them know where they sit with the party.

Nothing to do with the point, but you do you.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 27, 2020, 01:30:22 AM
it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2020, 07:28:12 AM
Bernie is still in the race primarily due to his massive ego. If there'e another reason, it's a DISTANT second.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2020, 07:38:47 AM
it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.

I tried to make this point too and just got called stupid and immature or something
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2020, 07:46:26 AM
If you think Sanders should stay in the race at this point, you might think that democracy is stupid and immature or something.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.

So it seems we're just talking past each other and having different conversations. I'm talking about the progressive agenda as it relates to the democratic party. Yes, the voters rejected Sanders, this is true and never has been argued against. What's also true is that the DNC and moderate democrats have done everything possible to put their finger on the scale because they think that Bernie isn't electable, it's happened twice. What's also true is that exit polls have consistently indicated that democratic voters favor an agenda which aligns with progressive views.

All three of these things are true, the fact that you refuse to acknowledge two of these three truths doesn't make them less so.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 10:36:03 AM
If you think Sanders should stay in the race at this point, you might think that democracy is stupid and immature or something.

You're doing this on purpose at this point, I should stop responding. Wanting the voters to actually have a choice of candidates is a rejection of democracy? Did I miss anyone here advocating for the already completed primaries to be redone? I'll just assume that I completely missed the point, because this on its face is laughable.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?

Edit: Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
 
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
It’s hard to find any articles on it that aren’t from questionable publications. Katie Halper did the interview with her.

Here’s a video from The Rising (which I like).

[youtube] https://youtu.be/P4A0SM3wOSw[/youtube]

Here is the full interview
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

Wohl does these better.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 27, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

How does it rank with his "little girl sniffing perversion"?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY[/youtube]

 :nono:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on March 27, 2020, 10:59:40 PM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

How does it rank with his "little girl sniffing perversion"?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY[/youtube]

 :nono:

That's one horny old man!!!  Wonder where he keep's his child porn.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2020, 11:49:16 PM
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2020, 03:24:24 AM
so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?

Edit: Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
 
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
It’s hard to find any articles on it that aren’t from questionable publications. Katie Halper did the interview with her.

Here’s a video from The Rising (which I like).

[youtube] https://youtu.be/P4A0SM3wOSw[/youtube]

Here is the full interview
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

Wohl does these better.

I don’t know who that is.

Edit: nvm, I do. Well, I know there is a gE thread about him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on March 28, 2020, 03:34:59 AM
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

That’s the longest article I’ve ever seen from Vox!

So she’s either a Russian toady (convenient), just a liar with some kind of axe to grind, or telling the truth.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.
Quote
There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
X-post
This is one of many reasons that Biden's enthusiasm is slim, even the most ardent Biden supporters are simply wanting to beat Trump while ignoring the fact that a Biden win represents largely keeping things like this, status quo.

https://twitter.com/lldiedrich/status/1244265172560199682
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.
Quote
There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.
But can you explain what shortcomings Biden has that Trump doesn’t? Particularly that would appeal to Democrats and Democrat leaning independents?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2020, 12:02:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.
Quote
There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.
But can you explain what shortcomings Biden has that Trump doesn’t? Particularly that would appeal to Democrats and Democrat leaning independents?

First, Biden's lack of enthusiasm has nothing to do with Trump. Secondly, of those 15% that you're asking about, I'd imagine roughly that's the percentage of voters that are available in every election. I'd also imagine they have varying reasons, chiefly among these is that Biden, unapologetically, represents the status quo in American politics. His embrace of being a "Obama/Biden Democrat" is a mistake, even Obama ran on hope and change instead of 8 more years of Bill Clinton, which is exactly what we got. The Obama presidency didn't accomplish enough for people to feel nostalgic about it, about Obama himself sure, but policy advancements during his presidency, no. This also explains the lack of enthusiasm. Run a vanilla campaign expect vanilla results.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2020, 05:10:55 PM
I’m still struggling to understand the explanation. The tweet was about Dems blaming Sanders for failing to get some 15% of his supporters to support Biden over Trump. It seems like that shouldn’t be difficult to do. So I can see some criticism there even if Biden is a weak candidate.

I’m not shocked there are some people who just hate the establishment, but I am a bit surprised it’s that large a number of Sanders’s supporters to vote for an incumbent with a terrible track record.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2020, 06:42:39 PM
When I said tweet I meant the comments you were referencing, which I understood to be the point of your post.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 30, 2020, 11:47:42 PM
That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.

Since when is attracting swing voters a bad thing?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2020, 01:46:41 AM
That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.

Since when is attracting swing voters a bad thing?

Apparently only moderates are allowed to attract them.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2020, 06:31:50 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 31, 2020, 12:13:28 PM
https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1244812380619579393
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on March 31, 2020, 12:54:54 PM
Yeah I don’t think the two are really related. A stupid response to tweet anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on March 31, 2020, 01:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1244812380619579393

That is one of the dumbest tweets I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 31, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2020, 03:06:33 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.

the mom part's the only thing that could be considered objectionable. but I imagine she could have picked literally anyone else (maybe even a republican!) saying that covid testing and treatment should be free to get her point across.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 31, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.

the mom part's the only thing that could be considered objectionable. but I imagine she could have picked literally anyone else (maybe even a republican!) saying that covid testing and treatment should be free to get her point across.

Harris doesn't think people should die from cancer or diabetes because they're poor.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.

the mom part's the only thing that could be considered objectionable. but I imagine she could have picked literally anyone else (maybe even a republican!) saying that covid testing and treatment should be free to get her point across.

Harris doesn't think people should die from cancer or diabetes because they're poor.

are you familiar with rhetorical questions?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on March 31, 2020, 04:16:57 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.

the mom part's the only thing that could be considered objectionable. but I imagine she could have picked literally anyone else (maybe even a republican!) saying that covid testing and treatment should be free to get her point across.

Harris doesn't think people should die from cancer or diabetes because they're poor.

are you familiar with rhetorical questions?

Are you familiar with Sanders and his supporters?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on March 31, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
If you don't get hung up on the mom part, I think it's a good example of how Bernie folks really aren't about playing well with others. To everyone's detriment.

the mom part's the only thing that could be considered objectionable. but I imagine she could have picked literally anyone else (maybe even a republican!) saying that covid testing and treatment should be free to get her point across.

Harris doesn't think people should die from cancer or diabetes because they're poor.

are you familiar with rhetorical questions?

Are you familiar with Sanders and his supporters?

Is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
Chum, you good?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
not rhetorical
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on March 31, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
harris consponsored m4a in the senate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 01, 2020, 10:53:16 AM
Lol

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1245119550292705287
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2020, 11:54:33 AM
Focus grouped "unkempt" facial hair  :love:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 01, 2020, 12:03:21 PM
Now he just needs to go with the Freddie Mercury mustache and wifebeater look.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 01, 2020, 12:52:17 PM
Lol

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1245119550292705287

Hey, I'm thinking of getting the same haircut (except with a much more virulent hairline but probably a poorly done back of the neck).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/jeffwantpoppers/status/1245323304946339841


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 01:32:11 PM
really putting a ton of pressure on biden to move to the left.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1245402769504243714
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 03:39:55 PM
harris consponsored m4a in the senate.

That's awesome great for the police. Maybe we can get her to speak out against putting people in jail for weed next.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
i think you probably know she ran on a policy of legalizing marijuana.  she's also sponsored legislation to decriminalize it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 04:16:39 PM
really putting a ton of pressure on biden to move to the left.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1245402769504243714

Are you intentionally conflating these conversations are not?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 04:18:15 PM
i think you probably know she ran on a policy of legalizing marijuana.  she's also sponsored legislation to decriminalize it.

I actually didn't know that, good for her evolution on the topic, unfortunately a bit late for people she locked up when her opinion on the subject mattered the most.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 04:25:53 PM
Are you intentionally conflating these conversations are not?

i don't know which conversations you're referring to.  i posted that to illustrate that in my view sanders continuing to run at this point does more to expose his lack of support than anything else, and thus does not give biden any reason to move to the left.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 04:41:33 PM
Are you intentionally conflating these conversations are not?

i don't know which conversations you're referring to.  i posted that to illustrate that in my view sanders continuing to run at this point does more to expose his lack of support than anything else, and thus does not give biden any reason to move to the left.

Okay, because in this conversation on Biden needing to move left to have a shot to win, you keep showing polling data that has him beating Sanders, but you continue to ignore data that shows exit polls that indicate that he's right of the people voting in these primaries. I also posted an article that shows poll numbers that indicates the enthusiasm within his party is historically low and no where close to numbers that indicate he'll have the support to beat an incumbent. He has low enthusiasm because he has low energy and isn't presenting anything new. Bernie leaving the race won't fix that. Bernie staying in could present Biden with a chance to reach out to a large majority of democratic voters who seem to be lukewarm to him, at best. Yes, he's going to beat Bernie, so the eff what? Is there a plan for what happens next?

Frankly I truly don't care if he beats trump or not, but people who do care should probably stop worrying about Bernie and find some way to make people give a crap about Joe Biden. Hiding him away for three months isn't going to do the trick.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
oh, yeah, not my intention to conflate those two lines of argumentation.  i don't think sanders dropping out now or not will have much, if any, effect on biden v trump.  also don't think biden moving left or not will have much, if any, effect on biden v trump.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2020, 04:50:48 PM
You don’t care if he beats trump MIR? Because of better chance to take senate? Just dislike both equally? Just curious.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
You don’t care if he beats trump MIR? Because of better chance to take senate? Just dislike both equally? Just curious.


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I think the chances of taking the Senate is slim to none, and I really don't think the governance is different enough to make the drastic changes we need. If the Democrats don't win the Senate they have no shot in getting any SC nominee through.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 01, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Not that it matters, especially in Kansas, but zero chance I push the button for Joe. I regret voting for Hillary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2020, 05:13:49 PM
Not that it matters, especially in Kansas, but zero chance I push the button for Joe. I regret voting for Hillary.

I probably won't either. Don't regret not voting for Hillary. If the electoral college is suddenly dissolved I'd be 100% Joey Buttons.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 01, 2020, 05:17:58 PM
I live by Kant’s Categorical Imperative so I will be voting for the most likely candidate to defeat Trump in Nov.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2020, 05:30:46 PM
Not that it matters, especially in Kansas, but zero chance I push the button for Joe. I regret voting for Hillary.
You do important work here tankie kid


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 05:45:43 PM
Not that it matters, especially in Kansas, but zero chance I push the button for Joe. I regret voting for Hillary.

Come home

https://www.gp.org/2020
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on April 01, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
Lol

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1245119550292705287

Almost forgot this...

I saw not one but TWO Pete bro/brodettes in the wild this week driving in Wichita.

Captured one on film

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2020, 06:47:05 PM
I mean, there were (are) a lot of them.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 08:18:56 PM
this (situation, not the article or tweet) is pretty funny, imo.

https://twitter.com/PostScottWilson/status/1245366075551707137
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 01, 2020, 09:35:11 PM
lmao


https://twitter.com/jeffwantpoppers/status/1245323304946339841


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Loved that 3rd pic., but should have Mickey Mouse dancing in his head.   :ROFL: 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 02, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
https://twitter.com/sayssimonson/status/1245706037346406402?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 02, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
His brain is rotted like an apple that fell off the tree and laying on the ground for days.  But the rubes love him cause he's just how they remember grandpa before he passed.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 02, 2020, 05:46:33 PM
I'm pulling this out of another thread because I don't want to hijack that one.

Quote
Republicans say high voter turnout favors Democrats, although that is not always the case. Ralston doesn’t want the mail-in primary to set a precedent for future elections in which heavier use of mail-in ballots drives turnout higher in the general election, when the parties compete against each other.

Ralston said he agreed with President Donald Trump’s criticism of proposals by Democrats for changes in elections such as increased voting by mail and same-day voter registration.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said Monday on “Fox & Friends.”

It's amazing that a party can be this open about voter suppression

Apart from beliefs about winning elections, it's important to remember that there's a Jim Crow aspect to this as well.

Why are we so quick to nominate someone who is so weak on this subject? No one is saying that he sees voter suppression the same way that Republicans do, but man it's very important, and Biden just hasn't been strong here. Check this, the source, I know, but it still makes some very salient points about Biden and voter suppression.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/03/joe-biden-voting-rights-2020-election
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2020, 12:01:50 AM
I couldn't even imagine the neoliberal rage if trump did this.
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1245748217016250370
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2020, 12:04:38 AM
I couldn't even imagine the neoliberal rage if trump did this.
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1245748217016250370

Yeah, eff that guy. Looks like I won’t be voting in the general again.

Edit: more reason not to vote in the general again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 04, 2020, 12:13:41 AM
I mean every fundraiser is a virtual jackoff right
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
We clearly should’ve been having pre-FattyFest VIP clutches.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2020, 06:01:38 AM


https://twitter.com/Rep_Pendarvis/status/1232303243939733504

That's a lie. He started with saying "you're the ones who sent Barack Obama to the presidency..." what story involves Biden running for Senate after Obama was president?

mir what is your take on Shaun King in general though? (Shaun King started this)

I'm good with him, I frequently find myself siding with him when he gets into these random spats with people. He's in the unique and unenviable position of having both black people and white people feeling very comfortable taking racist shots at him. I legitimately wish I could shoot everyone who calls him Martin Luther Cream. I definitely sided with him on the controversy with Deray. I like Deray a lot, but Shaun had his receipts in order, literally and figuratively.


https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

This was incredibly mumped

I don't know if this is real but holy crap

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1236073098866196482?s=19

It's real. It doesn't bother me though. It's undoubtedly clunky as hell but there is no method in which he could sell his book that wouldn't leave him open to a lot of criticism. People are under the impression that becoming an advocate also means taking a vow of poverty. Deray's people, who again, I like, have jumped on this without the slightest bit of irony that he doesn't appear publicly without wearing Patagonia.

All of these people make money, I don't care, doesn't change the advocacy.
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
Yes, that was amazing, and King deleted the tweets.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
Quote
One of the people with knowledge of the situation said they believe Sanders has warmed to the idea of bowing out in the near future, since he has been unable to make up any ground on Biden and is bracing for another potential landslide loss in Wisconsin, a state he won four years ago. One of the people predicted that if Sanders loses Wisconsin by more than 15 points, he probably would get out of the race and get behind Biden

https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/1246573593447849991
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 04, 2020, 06:44:52 PM
i almost would rather he stay in now.  elections would at least be something to look forward to in june.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidDTSS/status/1247012398877356034
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 06, 2020, 02:40:14 PM
looks like wisconsin is delayed, pending review.  obviously, in person voting should not proceed now, but this whole deal is pretty mumped up.  much more so than ohio, where it really seemed like those involved were trying to do the right thing.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1247220957753806855

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 06, 2020, 03:26:18 PM
I have to say guys, Joe Biden has been so very very impressive over the last few weeks.

Days, even weeks behind.   Nonsensical gibberish stacked on top of gibberish.   Reversal of policy positions.   It's sad, so very very sad. 

Who isn't looking forward to that virtual convention when the most corrupt political party on the planet,  the DNC aka CCP-America pulls somebody out of the crowd and runs them for president.    Sadly, someone will have to try and explain what just happened to Joe. 

I also have to say that I'm so very impressed with the way Slurs Pelosi has gotten on that rope and helped pull to defeat the RONA.   What a leader!!    A billion dollars in pork, established special oversight committee's, launching investigations.   What an American.   Hopefully all that virtual collaboration stock that her husband purchased yields more millions for the Congress lady and her family. 

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2020, 05:27:29 PM
looks like wisconsin is delayed, pending review.  obviously, in person voting should not proceed now, but this whole deal is pretty mumped up.  much more so than ohio, where it really seemed like those involved were trying to do the right thing.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1247220957753806855



https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status/1247282595538391045
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1247280790884560899
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 07, 2020, 08:17:27 AM
Wisconsin is a complete mess right now.

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1247511935215636480
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2020, 10:49:34 AM
Wisconsin is a complete mess right now.

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1247511935215636480

She can feel free to add the presumptive nominee to the list of crap show characters

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-says-voting-in-the-wisconsin-primary-is-safe-locals-say-it-could-kill-them
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 07, 2020, 05:22:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JustinAHorwitz/status/1247620593387798534
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 08, 2020, 07:21:57 AM
https://twitter.com/bhaviklathia/status/1247779289849671680
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2020, 07:46:22 AM
that's just the in person vote, though.  turnout unknown until all the mail in ballots are returned, but iirc it was being estimated at more like 160-170k in milwaukee.

i dunno how likely, but i saw several dem election nerds trying to talk themselves into believing the 'pubs had shot themselves in the foot and turnout would end up being down more in 'pub areas than dem areas.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 08, 2020, 08:09:02 AM
that's just the in person vote, though.  turnout unknown until all the mail in ballots are returned, but iirc it was being estimated at more like 160-170k in milwaukee.

i dunno how likely, but i saw several dem election nerds trying to talk themselves into believing the 'pubs had shot themselves in the foot and turnout would end up being down more in 'pub areas than dem areas.

If this was a third world nation Elliot Abrams would be calling for tanks to come bring them a transitional leader.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Bye Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2020, 10:45:06 AM
Bye Bernie

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 08, 2020, 11:14:29 AM
Why now? Wanting more Democrats to vote yesterday in Wisconsin?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
Why now? Wanting more Democrats to vote yesterday in Wisconsin?

lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2020, 09:22:16 PM
We missed out on having someone cool, likeable as our president for another old balls white stiff.

https://ew.com/movies/ballers-fan-elizabeth-warren-dwayne-johnson-movie-recommendation/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 08, 2020, 09:26:39 PM
I’m not sure why Warren did so poorly, but I truly do believe that if she had run in 2016 she’d either already be president or have a good shot at it this cycle.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2020, 09:55:32 PM
what is Biden polling against Trump these days Sys? 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2020, 09:57:43 PM
We missed out on having someone cool, likeable as our president for another old balls white stiff.

https://ew.com/movies/ballers-fan-elizabeth-warren-dwayne-johnson-movie-recommendation/

she's wonderful. I think her detailed plan strategy actually hurt her when she could have just been being charming talking about doing good things. I don't think the DNA test was a great idea, either and there was an interesting Warren post-mortem IIRC. Like she just had kind of a crappy organization.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2020, 10:59:56 PM
what is Biden polling against Trump these days Sys?

i haven't been paying close attention.  seems like about the same as always, though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 08, 2020, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Joe Biden
"She’s my kind of gal!" he declared. "Who doesn’t like her? And I have to say, who doesn’t love her wardrobe choices — don’t they just knock you out? Those vests and the pink shirts…Oh man, it is eye candy."

Sadly, I don't know if Joe can survive if he keeps saying crap like this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Survive what he’s the only one left
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 08, 2020, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: Joe Biden
"She’s my kind of gal!" he declared. "Who doesn’t like her? And I have to say, who doesn’t love her wardrobe choices — don’t they just knock you out? Those vests and the pink shirts…Oh man, it is eye candy."

Sadly, I don't know if Joe can survive if he keeps saying crap like this.

any candidate that would say something like this is a garbage human and unfit to be the dem party nominee.  disgusting.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 09, 2020, 12:29:53 AM
We still acting like he won't get the crap kicked out of him? Best case scenario are health problems after he picks a VP.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 06:51:48 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1247917935739486209
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 07:51:20 AM
Everyone remembers that great ‘04 Kerry victory when it was clear that Bush had mumped up and was going in to Iraq for no reason.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2020, 08:15:00 AM
It’s gotta be the police


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 08:18:05 AM
Am I incorrect in assuming most of the Bernie supporters here will not be voting for Biden this fall?

If not, how many of you are going to vote Trump?  I think nationally this number will be pretty large.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on April 09, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
Are there rumblings of VPs Biden is looking at?

Harris is the favorite with Klo waiting in the wings.  I've seen Duckworth mentioned as well as the Michigan Gov that Trump likes to go after. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2020, 08:19:46 AM
I don’t think Bernie supporters vote in very high numbers to begin with, relatively. I doubt they are going to waste their time getting behind anyone.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 09, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
I don’t think Bernie supporters vote in very high numbers to begin with, relatively. I doubt they are going to waste their time getting behind anyone.


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Canco that when it comes to actually voting, even for their own guy, Bernie supporters are all talk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
Am I incorrect in assuming most of the Bernie supporters here will not be voting for Biden this fall?

If not, how many of you are going to vote Trump?  I think nationally this number will be pretty large.

Most people here live in states where it doesn't matter. I won't vote for Trump but won't vote for Joe, either. I'd vote for Joe if I lived in Ohio or Wisconsin.

I don't think there's a large number of Bernie voters that would vote Trump. At least I think it would be lower than the white suburbanite Biden voters going Trump if Bernie had won. Wasn't that the whole reason everyone supported Biden over Bernie? (I mean other than being wanting poor people to die. ;-))
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 08:35:21 AM
In 2016, around 10% of Sanders primary voters voted for Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 08:38:07 AM
I don't think the most vocal Sanders supporters are representative. I think like 80-90% of Sanders voters voted for Clinton, though I didn't see that in the quick search I just did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
yeah, i think the overwhelming majority of sanders voters will vote for biden.  it'd be well onto the 2nd page of crap i'd worry about if i was biden.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 08:42:55 AM


Am I incorrect in assuming most of the Bernie supporters here will not be voting for Biden this fall?

If not, how many of you are going to vote Trump?  I think nationally this number will be pretty large.

Most people here live in states where it doesn't matter. I won't vote for Trump but won't vote for Joe, either. I'd vote for Joe if I lived in Ohio or Wisconsin.

I don't think there's a large number of Bernie voters that would vote Trump. At least I think it would be lower than the white suburbanite Biden voters going Trump if Bernie had won. Wasn't that the whole reason everyone supported Biden over Bernie? (I mean other than being wanting poor people to die. ;-))

I always perceived Bernie supporters as very similar to Trump supporters when it comes to the goal of burning down the system. Of course the Bernie guys want Bernie holding the torch rather than Trump, but in the end they want it burn none the less.

If there was ranked voting I would have guessed Bernie supporters have it:

Bernie
Trump
Independent
Any other Dem

While Biden supporters had it:

Biden
Dem other than Bernie
Independent
Trump
Bernie

I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 08:44:54 AM
Here are some 2016 numbers.

Voted for Hillary Clinton: 74.3%
Voted for Donald Trump: 12.0
Voted for Jill Stein: 4.5
Voted for Gary Johnson: 3.2

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-was-helped-by-the-neverhillary-vote-what-does-that-mean-for-his-chances-now/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
Biden will do better than Hillary did with Burnie Bros


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:02:00 AM




Am I incorrect in assuming most of the Bernie supporters here will not be voting for Biden this fall?

If not, how many of you are going to vote Trump?  I think nationally this number will be pretty large.

Most people here live in states where it doesn't matter. I won't vote for Trump but won't vote for Joe, either. I'd vote for Joe if I lived in Ohio or Wisconsin.

I don't think there's a large number of Bernie voters that would vote Trump. At least I think it would be lower than the white suburbanite Biden voters going Trump if Bernie had won. Wasn't that the whole reason everyone supported Biden over Bernie? (I mean other than being wanting poor people to die. ;-))

I always perceived Bernie supporters as very similar to Trump supporters when it comes to the goal of burning down the system. Of course the Bernie guys want Bernie holding the torch rather than Trump, but in the end they want it burn none the less.

If there was ranked voting I would have guessed Bernie supporters have it:

Bernie
Trump
Independent
Any other Dem

While Biden supporters had it:

Biden
Dem other than Bernie
Independent
Trump
Bernie

I could be wrong though.

A lot of that is very wrong. We don't have numbers on what Biden voters would do if Bernie won but I don't think it would have been significantly different from the Bernie voter behavior.

https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/08/as-bernie-sanders-drops-presidential-bid-most-supporters-ready-to-back-biden/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 09:02:20 AM
The part I genuinely find hilarious is that when Bernie was the front runner all the arguments were about electability and how many moderates were going to stay away and that Bernie couldn’t win and how he needed to reach out to moderates. Then as soon as Bernie gets out in April!, on a dime everyone turns to “Bernie supporters suck crap and they will never vote for Biden because they are bad people”

Maybe not the best strategy!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
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I mean Biden already took a lot of Bernie voters back by not being Hillary
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2020, 09:04:49 AM
Clinton lost Missouri by 18 points. If Joe is within 5 for polling, I'll vote for him, otherwise it's probably going to be Tom again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2020, 09:05:56 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:06:31 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.
Are they telling you they'll vote for Trump? Because I voted for Bernie and will definitely not vote for Trump. Not sure how that skews your polling data
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:07:15 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.
I haven't heard anyone say this even on Twitter
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 09:08:41 AM


The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.

1. Yes, but loud is very important these days and they are also actively trying to convince other people not to vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 09, 2020, 09:09:25 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.
I haven't heard anyone say this even on Twitter

you got receipts chings???
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 09:13:21 AM
The problem is Biden probably needs outreach to Bernie voters, loudly questioning whether Bernie voters are going to sabotage Biden is probably harmful to these efforts.  But all of the donut crap heads, Hillary staffers, DNC people, mainstream pundits all love the Bernie is going to eff up Joe, so it just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have Hillary herself arguing Bernie didn’t lift a finger to help her in the general which is just probably false, but the narrative is very helpful if the goal is finding excuses for why Trump best Hillary and has a decent chance to beat Joe.  It is a very bad narrative for Bernie voter outreach.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on April 09, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
Are there rumblings of VPs Biden is looking at?

Harris is the favorite with Klo waiting in the wings.  I've seen Duckworth mentioned as well as the Michigan Gov that Trump likes to go after.

This kind of surprises me, would have thought he'd go for a candidate that didn't run in the primary so people wouldn't have a potentially strong negative opinion of them. (Idk about Harris in particular maybe that's incorrect for her)

I think you're spot on with Harris.  It's just what reporters are writing, I don't think they necessarily have any knowledge.  We know it's a woman and I would imagine a young and energetic one would be helpful. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
I think a governor leaving their state in the middle of a pandemic would be a dumb move politically. I think Harris is a likely pick and particularly because she dropped out so early doesn’t have a ton of negatives from the campaign, Abrams possible, but I don’t really know what his team is thinking. I really like the idea of nominating a whole shadow cabinet especially when you aren’t really going to be campaigning much in the traditional sense, but I think they will continue to mostly stay out of the way until the news changes because they don’t see much upside to Joe on camera with some pretty obvious and big downside risk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.
I haven't heard anyone say this even on Twitter

you got receipts chings???
https://twitter.com/hashtag/neverbiden

But I admit this is a lot of noise and likey artificially aided.  I guess I hope it's just initial disappointment and anger.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on April 09, 2020, 09:32:07 AM
I think a governor leaving their state in the middle of a pandemic would be a dumb move politically. I think Harris is a likely pick and particularly because she dropped out so early doesn’t have a ton of negatives from the campaign, Abrams possible, but I don’t really know what his team is thinking. I really like the idea of nominating a whole shadow cabinet especially when you aren’t really going to be campaigning much in the traditional sense, but I think they will continue to mostly stay out of the way until the news changes because they don’t see much upside to Joe on camera with some pretty obvious and big downside risk.

Agreed on the Michigan Gov.  We would have to feel like the virus was pretty well under control before she could start campaigning.

I think a lot of people got on Harris for harsh sentencing.  A Californian doesn't help and I think they will want to focus on the vulnerable states pretty heavily.  I think Harris is the favorite right now but I would still overwhelmingly take the field.  I like Abrams, but don't know how many southern states are in play regardless.  I probably put too much emphasis on the geography though.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2020, 09:33:17 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

1. the fraction saying that is loud but small.
2. many of them will change their minds.
I haven't heard anyone say this even on Twitter

you got receipts chings???
https://twitter.com/hashtag/neverbiden

But I admit this is a lot of noise and likey artificially aided.  I guess I hope it's just initial disappointment and anger.
Just a quick look and it’s all Russian troll/bots.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:38:07 AM
As bad (or botty) as those folks are, I still don't see anyone saying they'll vote for Trump? Chings is saying Bernie voters' second choice is Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 09, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
Bernie voters see the Democrats and Democrat primary as rigged and completely unfair, which it is. They won't be voting for Biden as an establishment puppet for the DNC which screwed him AGAIN. It will be Trump, some protest vote, or won't vote at all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 09, 2020, 09:50:44 AM
The main reason I say Bernie supporters aren't going to vote for Biden is because that's what they've been telling me.

The polling has consistently been 15% of Sanders primary voters have said that they won't vote for Biden in the general. For some stupid ass reason there isn't enough (any?) data showing how many moderate voters would have voted for a progressive candidate in the general, logic would dictate that the percentage would be similar.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 09:53:26 AM
this was from yesterday

(https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/200408_Sanders-Supporters-Biden-Trump_fullwidth-scaled.png)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on April 09, 2020, 10:14:57 AM
Am I incorrect in assuming most of the Bernie supporters here will not be voting for Biden this fall?

If not, how many of you are going to vote Trump?  I think nationally this number will be pretty large.

Not voting for Biden. Not voting for Trump.

Do want to burn it all down.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 12:29:50 PM
The onus is on the candidate to get people to vote for them, blaming voters is dumb.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
Yes but whenever hear people complain about the results I have a distinct lack of sympathy for people who:

1. Voted for candidate they are now complaining about

2. Didn't vote at all

3. Did a protest vote

In that order. If we had a different system I might feel differently.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
Yes but whenever hear people complain about the results I have a distinct lack of sympathy for people who:

1. Voted for candidate they are now complaining about

2. Didn't vote at all

3. Did a protest vote

In that order. If we had a different system I might feel differently.

yeah our system sucks crap and I don't really fault people for any those because our politics is basically just spectacle and totally alienating for the vast majority of people and the choices are so limited and people's individual political power is so limited and change is so slow and difficult that I think getting pissed at the voter trying to interpret and respond to things as they are is pointing at the wrong target.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
Yes but whenever hear people complain about the results I have a distinct lack of sympathy for people who:

1. Voted for candidate they are now complaining about

2. Didn't vote at all

3. Did a protest vote

In that order. If we had a different system I might feel differently.
Nothing wrong with a protest vote in California.

Also I'm not sure where you're getting this ill-informed and kind of dim impression of Bernie voters
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 02:45:53 PM
Here is the reaching out.
 :grin:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1248332855257600006
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
Joe Bidens Medicare for All* proposal sucks ass.

*boomers
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 09, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
should have done under 30 instead of over 60.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 09, 2020, 03:29:53 PM
*voters
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 09, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
should have done under 30 instead of over 60.

YES!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2020, 04:11:04 PM
Still no answer if I'm going to get my Bernie 2020 contribution back.   I'll let you guys know.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2020, 10:06:08 PM
Hopefully Joe will continue to read the teleprompter correctly and in a semi-coherent fashion, and not like a mule plucking badger headed whipper snapper.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2020, 07:53:42 AM
folks, we're all facing tough times right now. but

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2020, 08:00:04 AM
His hair must look terrible grown out if he thought that was better than having it longer than 3/4 of an inch.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 10, 2020, 08:40:15 AM
I bet Pete would throw his tie over his shoulder and whip this virus's ass.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2020, 10:49:55 AM
What an odd hairline. Is Pete going to be bald in a few years?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 10, 2020, 11:14:17 AM
yep.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1248606637272817665
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2020, 12:25:50 PM
Still no answer if I'm going to get my Bernie 2020 contribution back.   I'll let you guys know.

Well he's going to continue to provide health care to his staff through November, so no, you're not getting any of your imaginary money back.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
yep.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1248606637272817665

Did he call people who aren't Bernie or busters but won't vote for Joe? I feel like that number is insignificant but growing, he seems to have a growing #metoo issue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
While people continue to complain about Bernie Bots, there's this happening all over twitter. Neolibs are hoping that shame will replace actually having policies that will attract voters.

https://twitter.com/sethgs/status/1247962546658660352
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
I think most bernie voters are fully aware that they are helping trump by not voting for joe or not voting at all or voting for some nobody. I just think a lot of them hate joe equally so they don't care.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2020, 12:45:01 PM
I'd assume that a sizeable amount of democrats/liberals that aren't voting for Joe, like myself, would prefer him over Trump, but view this as a false choice. Like one of those "gun to your head and you have to pick one..." scenarios and I'd rather not vote that way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 10, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
I'd assume that a sizeable amount of democrats/liberals that aren't voting for Joe, like myself, would prefer him over Trump, but view this as a false choice. Like one of those "gun to your head and you have to pick one..." scenarios and I'd rather not vote that way.

If you're a Trump voter, own it.  But don't dress it up as a protest.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Good to see QuidProJoe Super Pac's running ads to tell us what President ChiCom Joe will be doing about the virus in January of 2021.

Timely.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 10, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
 At this point trump is as socialist as bern so why do they gaf?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
At this point trump is as socialist as bern so why do they gaf?

Who is they?

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 10, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
I'd assume that a sizeable amount of democrats/liberals that aren't voting for Joe, like myself, would prefer him over Trump, but view this as a false choice. Like one of those "gun to your head and you have to pick one..." scenarios and I'd rather not vote that way.

If you're a Trump voter, own it.  But don't dress it up as a protest.

Lucky for me, I get to vote for a nominee from the party in which I am registered :party:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
But you useful idiots keep believing everything the NYT’s writes on politics.


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1249368864594505734?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 13, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1249761760212639746

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1249762390306099203
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 13, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1249765967527362567
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 13, 2020, 02:26:25 PM
Bernie sells out . . . again.

Woooh woooh waaaaaahhh

#keepthecashBernie!

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 13, 2020, 06:16:03 PM
Why now? Wanting more Democrats to vote yesterday in Wisconsin?

it looks the dem may win by enough that it wouldn't have mattered, but that wasn't known ahead of time and having a contested presidential race couldn't have hurt.

https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1249837503831519234
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 13, 2020, 06:19:18 PM
 :Woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 14, 2020, 11:02:36 AM
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1250088269502709762
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
Joe kept asking Jill why Principal McVicker kept showing up on his TV screen and reminding her that they never let the kids watch Beevis and Butthead.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2020, 05:10:47 PM
https://twitter.com/RealTimBlack/status/1250163130048675842?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
Yeah, those sanders and Obama endorsements have enraged daxags.com. I'm not really sure why, but they are very salty about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
Yeah, those sanders and Obama endorsements have enraged daxags.com. I'm not really sure why, but they are very salty about it.

Why would I be enraged?    QuidProJoe getting elected with provide years worth of hilarity, and even better when he resigns for "health reasons".

Only the modern day Useful Idiot Party would melt down about the supposed mega corrupt racist and then want to elect an actual mega corrupt war mongering racist.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Believe all women:  Unless they're accusing a Democrat

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/brett-kavanaugh-joe-biden-tara-reade-christine-blasey-ford-womens-groups-silent/

Circle the wagons Useful Idiot Nation

Deflecto Meters:  12/10



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2020, 09:08:06 PM
President Xi has reminded the Biden's that part of the "agreement" is that a Biden must be on staff to watch China's investment.



https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/hunter-biden-chinese-board-bhr-skaneateles/
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Thoughts on this AOC move?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1250240452718137344
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 14, 2020, 09:40:54 PM
Seems like something a reasonable person would say.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2020, 11:38:39 PM
Thoughts on this AOC move?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1250240452718137344

Good for her. There are at least some people in Washington interested in principle over political aspirations. The inconsistency with democrats on this issue is maddening but not surprising. Forget for a second about the obvious Trump comparo, they have buried some of their own, like Al Franken. My concern grows when there seems to be a reluctance to be forthright about the accusations, specifically the New York Times waiting so long to report anything.

Hopefully AOC and others, get more vocal. Where's Gillibrand?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on April 14, 2020, 11:47:10 PM
This thread makes me sad now, even if it was the likely outcome all along. Much of the crap since Biden seemingly locked things up (Bernie endorsing him), the continual non-issuing the Tara Reade stuff, while also par for the course is also very disheartening.

Also, don't forget... Obama "stepping in" to stop the Sanders campaign, and most all the also-rans (even Gabbard) grouping together and endorsing Biden before the damn thing was even over.  :Yuck:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-bernie-sanders-2020-nomination_n_5ddd31a1e4b00149f724793b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

:blank:




Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2020, 07:23:52 AM
lmao

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2020, 08:23:49 AM
Makes you wonder if SNL will have Biden’s accuser open up for them on their next show. :dunno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 15, 2020, 08:24:54 AM
omg that meme is incred
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 15, 2020, 09:42:56 AM
Why are Bernie people (which I kind of am) so insistent on some conspiracy where the DNC pulls all the strings? Were they not paying attention to the very public primary results that show that it was not the DNC itself but in fact Biden's voters who were the ones who absolutely beat that Bernie ass? I mean of course the DNC can help shape an election, but it's not the one casting votes. Absolute shitloads of primary voters are, and most of them showed that they don't want Bernie at this time. Seems like sore loser Bernie people are blaming the refs for their own team's shortcomings? Bernie people, explain to me why the DNC is the big bad boogeyman this time around instead of Bernie's inability to build a coalition that A) actually shows up to vote, and/or B) is bigger than 35% of the Democratic electorate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 10:51:01 AM
Why are Bernie people (which I kind of am) so insistent on some conspiracy where the DNC pulls all the strings? Were they not paying attention to the very public primary results that show that it was not the DNC itself but in fact Biden's voters who were the ones who absolutely beat that Bernie ass? I mean of course the DNC can help shape an election, but it's not the one casting votes. Absolute shitloads of primary voters are, and most of them showed that they don't want Bernie at this time. Seems like sore loser Bernie people are blaming the refs for their own team's shortcomings? Bernie people, explain to me why the DNC is the big bad boogeyman this time around instead of Bernie's inability to build a coalition that A) actually shows up to vote, and/or B) is bigger than 35% of the Democratic electorate.

Bernie was going to win with 35% of the vote until 2 people with more delegates and polling ahead of him in Super Tuesday states dropped out and endorsed him in a coordinated move. They aren't claiming that Bernie received more votes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2020, 11:50:32 AM
Sucks about all the democracy Bernie bros


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 15, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
Why are Bernie people (which I kind of am) so insistent on some conspiracy where the DNC pulls all the strings? Were they not paying attention to the very public primary results that show that it was not the DNC itself but in fact Biden's voters who were the ones who absolutely beat that Bernie ass? I mean of course the DNC can help shape an election, but it's not the one casting votes. Absolute shitloads of primary voters are, and most of them showed that they don't want Bernie at this time. Seems like sore loser Bernie people are blaming the refs for their own team's shortcomings? Bernie people, explain to me why the DNC is the big bad boogeyman this time around instead of Bernie's inability to build a coalition that A) actually shows up to vote, and/or B) is bigger than 35% of the Democratic electorate.

Bernie was going to win with 35% of the vote until 2 people with more delegates and polling ahead of him in Super Tuesday states dropped out and endorsed him in a coordinated move. They aren't claiming that Bernie received more votes.


I mean...I guess? So? Is the theory amongst Bernie people that the DNC strong armed them into doing that? I know that at least Buttigieg, if not also Klobuchar, expressly stated that they were not pressured by the big, bad, shadowy figure DNC boogeyman. And even if they were, that's the best argument Bernie people can put forth? "He would've won with 35%" (lol @ this sentence alone) "if not for other politicians who did something that they have every right to do"? (That being, dropping out to hopefully throw their supporters' votes to the candidate they think is in the best position to win.)

Is that:
A) Somehow abnormal for a presidential primary?
B) Somehow shady or against the rules?
C) Somehow the fault of the DNC?

Help me understand the "coordinated move" and how it's somehow nefarious. Because I think to most people, it just seems like Bernie's coalition is just going through the denial phase of grief after seeing a guy they've supported for years be unable to rack up more than 35% of the vote when other candidates could.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
I don’t know how anyone can argue that Amy and Pete getting out and immediately endorsing plus Liz staying in did anything but significantly hurt Bernie. And 35% in a 6 person race is a very strong position.
I don’t think there was any “conspiracy” other than the actual thing that happened that I just described. I don’t think it was “illegal” but I don’t see how anyone can argue that it didn’t significantly impact the course of the primary.

As for the rest of it, I just think Biden sucks and even if he wins it will suck because his politics are just as bad if not worse than Hillary’s politics which sucked. So of course I am sad about Bernie losing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 15, 2020, 03:23:26 PM
I don’t know how anyone can argue that Amy and Pete getting out and immediately endorsing plus Liz staying in did anything but significantly hurt Bernie. And 35% in a 6 person race is a very strong position.
I don’t think there was any “conspiracy” other than the actual thing that happened that I just described. I don’t think it was “illegal” but I don’t see how anyone can argue that it didn’t significantly impact the course of the primary.

As for the rest of it, I just think Biden sucks and even if he wins it will suck because his politics are just as bad if not worse than Hillary’s politics which sucked. So of course I am sad about Bernie losing.


Fair enough and I agree with most of it. You are among the more level-headed Bernie people I'm seeing write about it in the aftermath, though. I'm sure there are plenty like you, I just haven't heard or read a bunch of it yet but I'm sure I will.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 08:08:02 PM
Bernie was going to win with 35% of the vote until 2 people with more delegates and polling ahead of him in Super Tuesday states dropped out and endorsed him in a coordinated move. They aren't claiming that Bernie received more votes.

super weird that it's hard to win an election with 35% of the vote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2020, 08:39:01 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
The vocal should be given much more importance than the minority in elections.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Bernie was going to win with 35% of the vote until 2 people with more delegates and polling ahead of him in Super Tuesday states dropped out and endorsed him in a coordinated move. They aren't claiming that Bernie received more votes.

super weird that it's hard to win an election with 35% of the vote.

It is pretty good in a 5-6 person race.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
what us primaries have been 5-6 candidate races past the early states?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
This one almost did.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 08:48:20 PM
but then in an unprecedented move, it suddenly reverted to being just like all the other primaries ever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
but then in an unprecedented move, it suddenly reverted to being just like all the other primaries ever.

Except for the 2016 republican primary.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 15, 2020, 08:53:29 PM
Where the Bernie Sanders proxy won? There’s something to be said for tradition imo.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 09:19:09 PM
Except for the 2016 republican primary.

closest thing.  but even there it was just four candidates and rubio exited right after st, leaving three.  pretty analogous to biden, sanders, bloomberg and warren, really.

and of course dems aren't winner take all.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on April 15, 2020, 09:51:40 PM
There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of things to like about Bernie, but there is plenty to hate about him too. I get Bernie Bros hating this outcome, and there is a lot of be disappointed about, but Bernie, and definitely more specifically his supporters definitely to me are classic have it right in the big picture, but absolutely zero realistic path to make it happen. It's definitely clear there are major issues, pandemic aside, with the US, and this pandemic is only massively exposing them.

However, he has hardly any key allies save like AOC and Omar in the house, and maybe Liz Warren in the Senate. But both he and his supporters are so voracious in their attacks of anyone who doesn't toe w/e line they have in their heads it pretty easy to go from wanting to support the guy to being swallowed up by the twitter and facebook crazies. Hell while Warren could go to bat for him she could just as easily take how she was treated by Bernie Bros and just not do anything, hell even AOC gets blasted by some of the zealots as a sell out occasionally. It's a classic inability to truly grow his base, and even if he somehow, somehow won the democratic primary, I would have serious reservations of him winning any key state he'd need to win (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) either better than Biden could, or definitely vs trump.

And even if he somehow won the presidency, a giant if, and even more giant if is how the hell would he actually get anything that he wanted done. Passing the ACA was practically political suicide in 2010, it would be even more so to try and do M4A, and hence much more reluctance from democrats this time around, let alone anything to do with college, or social programs he wants done, and I can just see the headlines for 4 years as virtually nothing gets done unless he makes concessions of "Socialist President can't achieve anything" and he'd probably be slaughtered in 2024.

Biden won because he had all the key support, was seen as a less extreme version of the 3 options on the table, and as you saw in Michigan it clearly seems especially in the democratic side Bernie made hardly any gains (actually made some losses) and it really shows just how hated Hillary was. You might not like Biden, but he doesn't elicit that vitriolic response.

The only thing that gets me about Bernie Bros is how quick so many don't want to vote for Biden, I both appreciate and respect that gumption to stick to certain principals, and think Biden doesn't have all that you want, but I never can understand how you would rather vote for some 3rd party candidate who is definitely not going to win, or not vote at all, all because you might only get a few things from one candidate, vs getting absolutely nothing from the other candidate, and then bitching about it for 4 years of just how terrible it is to get nothing. Would you rather have Trump appointing RBG's vacancy? What about having him in charge of IDK, a crisis like this? Even if Biden is starting to wane a bit mentally would you rather his cabinet helping him manage this vs Mnuchin, Ivanka, Jared? Are you tired of seeing the president of the goddamn US fight like a 5 year old with reporters cause they are asking him big mean questions?

I get the policy bits, I understand "you know what's better for this country so vote for Bernie goddamn it," but how can you be so ideologically pure that anything less comes along and it's not just not good enough, but it's practically seen as abhorrent

Being President is an important job no doubt, but it doesn't mean you live with that person, or you have to defend everything that person does, but then again you get in that mode I guess. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 15, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry
Can you tldnr the post previous you were responding to?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2020, 10:10:48 PM
there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry
Can you tldnr the post previous you were responding to?

lots of reasons to hate bernie, no one likes him, he's too mean, M4A is too risky, I don't understand why bernie bros wouldn't vote for biden, I don't understand why these people are so goddam ideologically pure and won't just do what I think is right, etc.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 15, 2020, 10:13:42 PM
there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry
Can you tldnr the post previous you were responding to?

lots of reasons to hate bernie, no one likes him, he's too mean, M4A is too risky, I don't understand why bernie bros wouldn't vote for biden, I don't understand why these people are so goddam ideologically pure and won't just do what I think is right, etc.
Thanks
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 10:14:57 PM
he's a demagogue, like any populist.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
sys hates and is embarrassed by the wonderful legacy of his state and his alma mater Kansas State University--a land grant institution of the highest populist order.

he can go eff himself.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2020, 10:19:39 PM
he's a demagogue, like any populist.

eh, I'd be curious how you're defining demagogue.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
I'd be curious how you're defining demagogue.

a populist.  a politician who diagnoses every ill as the fault of a scapegoat doing something to exploit,oppress or defraud the true volk.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 10:33:55 PM
I'd be curious how you're defining demagogue.

a populist.  a politician who diagnoses every ill as the fault of a scapegoat doing something to exploit,oppress or defraud the true volk.

lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 15, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of things to like about Bernie, but there is plenty to hate about him too. I get Bernie Bros hating this outcome, and there is a lot of be disappointed about, but Bernie, and definitely more specifically his supporters definitely to me are classic have it right in the big picture, but absolutely zero realistic path to make it happen. It's definitely clear there are major issues, pandemic aside, with the US, and this pandemic is only massively exposing them.

However, he has hardly any key allies save like AOC and Omar in the house, and maybe Liz Warren in the Senate. But both he and his supporters are so voracious in their attacks of anyone who doesn't toe w/e line they have in their heads it pretty easy to go from wanting to support the guy to being swallowed up by the twitter and facebook crazies. Hell while Warren could go to bat for him she could just as easily take how she was treated by Bernie Bros and just not do anything, hell even AOC gets blasted by some of the zealots as a sell out occasionally. It's a classic inability to truly grow his base, and even if he somehow, somehow won the democratic primary, I would have serious reservations of him winning any key state he'd need to win (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) either better than Biden could, or definitely vs trump.

And even if he somehow won the presidency, a giant if, and even more giant if is how the hell would he actually get anything that he wanted done. Passing the ACA was practically political suicide in 2010, it would be even more so to try and do M4A, and hence much more reluctance from democrats this time around, let alone anything to do with college, or social programs he wants done, and I can just see the headlines for 4 years as virtually nothing gets done unless he makes concessions of "Socialist President can't achieve anything" and he'd probably be slaughtered in 2024.

Biden won because he had all the key support, was seen as a less extreme version of the 3 options on the table, and as you saw in Michigan it clearly seems especially in the democratic side Bernie made hardly any gains (actually made some losses) and it really shows just how hated Hillary was. You might not like Biden, but he doesn't elicit that vitriolic response.

The only thing that gets me about Bernie Bros is how quick so many don't want to vote for Biden, I both appreciate and respect that gumption to stick to certain principals, and think Biden doesn't have all that you want, but I never can understand how you would rather vote for some 3rd party candidate who is definitely not going to win, or not vote at all, all because you might only get a few things from one candidate, vs getting absolutely nothing from the other candidate, and then bitching about it for 4 years of just how terrible it is to get nothing. Would you rather have Trump appointing RBG's vacancy? What about having him in charge of IDK, a crisis like this? Even if Biden is starting to wane a bit mentally would you rather his cabinet helping him manage this vs Mnuchin, Ivanka, Jared? Are you tired of seeing the president of the goddamn US fight like a 5 year old with reporters cause they are asking him big mean questions?

I get the policy bits, I understand "you know what's better for this country so vote for Bernie goddamn it," but how can you be so ideologically pure that anything less comes along and it's not just not good enough, but it's practically seen as abhorrent

Being President is an important job no doubt, but it doesn't mean you live with that person, or you have to defend everything that person does, but then again you get in that mode I guess. Oh well.

Unlike @michigancat, I appreciated this post. Very pragmatic analysis.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2020, 10:39:24 PM


I'd be curious how you're defining demagogue.

a populist.  a politician who diagnoses every ill as the fault of a scapegoat doing something to exploit,oppress or defraud the true volk.

Uhhh
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2020, 10:40:53 PM
there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry

Agreed and I didn't even caucus for the man.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 10:41:25 PM
lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 15, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.

your logic chain is dogshit because you are in your feelings bud.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Jesus Christ, I can't believe we ever took this bullshit seriously.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 15, 2020, 10:48:16 PM
your logic chain is dogshit because you are in your feelings bud.

that's funny.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 15, 2020, 11:00:41 PM
lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 16, 2020, 12:08:29 AM
There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of things to like about Bernie, but there is plenty to hate about him too. I get Bernie Bros hating this outcome, and there is a lot of be disappointed about, but Bernie, and definitely more specifically his supporters definitely to me are classic have it right in the big picture, but absolutely zero realistic path to make it happen. It's definitely clear there are major issues, pandemic aside, with the US, and this pandemic is only massively exposing them.

However, he has hardly any key allies save like AOC and Omar in the house, and maybe Liz Warren in the Senate. But both he and his supporters are so voracious in their attacks of anyone who doesn't toe w/e line they have in their heads it pretty easy to go from wanting to support the guy to being swallowed up by the twitter and facebook crazies. Hell while Warren could go to bat for him she could just as easily take how she was treated by Bernie Bros and just not do anything, hell even AOC gets blasted by some of the zealots as a sell out occasionally. It's a classic inability to truly grow his base, and even if he somehow, somehow won the democratic primary, I would have serious reservations of him winning any key state he'd need to win (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) either better than Biden could, or definitely vs trump.

And even if he somehow won the presidency, a giant if, and even more giant if is how the hell would he actually get anything that he wanted done. Passing the ACA was practically political suicide in 2010, it would be even more so to try and do M4A, and hence much more reluctance from democrats this time around, let alone anything to do with college, or social programs he wants done, and I can just see the headlines for 4 years as virtually nothing gets done unless he makes concessions of "Socialist President can't achieve anything" and he'd probably be slaughtered in 2024.

Biden won because he had all the key support, was seen as a less extreme version of the 3 options on the table, and as you saw in Michigan it clearly seems especially in the democratic side Bernie made hardly any gains (actually made some losses) and it really shows just how hated Hillary was. You might not like Biden, but he doesn't elicit that vitriolic response.

The only thing that gets me about Bernie Bros is how quick so many don't want to vote for Biden, I both appreciate and respect that gumption to stick to certain principals, and think Biden doesn't have all that you want, but I never can understand how you would rather vote for some 3rd party candidate who is definitely not going to win, or not vote at all, all because you might only get a few things from one candidate, vs getting absolutely nothing from the other candidate, and then bitching about it for 4 years of just how terrible it is to get nothing. Would you rather have Trump appointing RBG's vacancy? What about having him in charge of IDK, a crisis like this? Even if Biden is starting to wane a bit mentally would you rather his cabinet helping him manage this vs Mnuchin, Ivanka, Jared? Are you tired of seeing the president of the goddamn US fight like a 5 year old with reporters cause they are asking him big mean questions?

I get the policy bits, I understand "you know what's better for this country so vote for Bernie goddamn it," but how can you be so ideologically pure that anything less comes along and it's not just not good enough, but it's practically seen as abhorrent

Being President is an important job no doubt, but it doesn't mean you live with that person, or you have to defend everything that person does, but then again you get in that mode I guess. Oh well.

Unlike @michigancat, I appreciated this post. Very pragmatic analysis.



I agreed with most of it too, and I am one who would have for sure been psyched with a President Bernie.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2020, 12:44:19 AM
I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 16, 2020, 12:47:52 AM
I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that
Do you think Joe is suddenly going to become someone he's not?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2020, 12:50:17 AM
I don't think those words mean anything
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 16, 2020, 12:25:42 PM
Man, what a target rich opportunity a QuidProJoe and a Soccer Grandma administration would be.   I think I'm gonna have a beer . . .  no, no Soccer Grandma, we're all gonna have a bunch of beers. 

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1250836674000584704?s=20

President Xi and the Chinese Communist Party rate this match up:  9.5/10

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 16, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
in retrospect the most impressive aspect of the buttigieg campaign is how they managed to hide his forehead hair situation until after the election.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1250767056594665478
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 16, 2020, 12:36:39 PM
After Biden wins, what super high profile role will he give to Hillary in otder to own the pubs?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that

 :clap:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2020, 09:25:24 PM
It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels

You're better than that.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels

You're better than that.

THIS IS MY BEST MATERIAL  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 17, 2020, 12:09:29 PM
I think this would be fantastic, but the only rule has to be that QuidProJoe has to pick his running mate and they need to be front and center at these things so we'll know what the person who will be president in very short order after the elections thinks and believes.   Joe can barely function.

https://twitter.com/kjdrennen/status/1250424704294219779?s=20


Between a shadow government and the hilarious implications of "fixed" SBA Loans, Useful Idiot Nation has brought another set of options on to their giant pile of hilarious but still mumped up conspiracies.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: turnbull on April 17, 2020, 12:20:38 PM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2020, 02:22:12 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/jacobisanadult/status/1251186321881739264
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Beto eats like a pig.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
Beto eats like a pig.

yeah but he's more like a babe than a gordy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 17, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
QuidProJOe.....love that since you know nothing of it is true.

1. He acted in official US Government capacity in US Policy interests.
2. It was supported Bipartisanly (even Ron Johnson the Republican from Wisconsin signed the damn letter)
3. It was supported and encouraged by the European Union and International Monetary Fund to remove the prosecutor who was not you know....prosecuting corruption...
4. Burisma's investigation was already over (Fact)....so i mean i guess that could have mean Joe was trying to get the prosecutor removed for not prosecuting Burisma? (Opinion)

But facts are a stubborn thing.

The obfuscation of what was clearly a shake down are quite  :lol:

The EU and IMF "support" of the removal was based on perception of the prosecutor and those perceptions (for lack of a better word) were dubious at best.   There's two sides to every story and supporters of Quid Pro Joe only hear one side. 



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: turnbull on April 17, 2020, 02:59:43 PM
Then explain Ron Johnson's support

QuidProJOe.....love that since you know nothing of it is true.

1. He acted in official US Government capacity in US Policy interests.
2. It was supported Bipartisanly (even Ron Johnson the Republican from Wisconsin signed the damn letter)
3. It was supported and encouraged by the European Union and International Monetary Fund to remove the prosecutor who was not you know....prosecuting corruption...
4. Burisma's investigation was already over (Fact)....so i mean i guess that could have mean Joe was trying to get the prosecutor removed for not prosecuting Burisma? (Opinion)

But facts are a stubborn thing.

The obfuscation of what was clearly a shake down are quite  :lol:

The EU and IMF "support" of the removal was based on perception of the prosecutor and those perceptions (for lack of a better word) were dubious at best.   There's two sides to every story and supporters of Quid Pro Joe only hear one side.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 17, 2020, 03:37:02 PM
Then explain Ron Johnson's support

QuidProJOe.....love that since you know nothing of it is true.

1. He acted in official US Government capacity in US Policy interests.
2. It was supported Bipartisanly (even Ron Johnson the Republican from Wisconsin signed the damn letter)
3. It was supported and encouraged by the European Union and International Monetary Fund to remove the prosecutor who was not you know....prosecuting corruption...
4. Burisma's investigation was already over (Fact)....so i mean i guess that could have mean Joe was trying to get the prosecutor removed for not prosecuting Burisma? (Opinion)

But facts are a stubborn thing.

The obfuscation of what was clearly a shake down are quite  :lol:

The EU and IMF "support" of the removal was based on perception of the prosecutor and those perceptions (for lack of a better word) were dubious at best.   There's two sides to every story and supporters of Quid Pro Joe only hear one side.

Senator Ron Johnson?

Throwing around accusations of corruption in the Ukraine is easier than predicting Bud Light will be consumed at a NASCAR race.

You're gonna have to do a lot better than better than just unilaterally declare a Ukrainian politician corrupt.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2020, 09:15:33 PM
lmao

https://twitter.com/jacobisanadult/status/1251186321881739264

Beto eats like a pig.

That's about right
https://twitter.com/thetweethaver/status/1251245455889043457
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2020, 09:19:09 PM
That seems more likely it was the picture takers plate  :th_twocents:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 17, 2020, 09:40:06 PM
Beto eats like a pig.

https://twitter.com/cambamhamfamdam/status/1251325396169232384
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2020, 09:40:55 PM
Dude that's his plate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 17, 2020, 09:43:12 PM
Dog is suspect #1 in my book.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2020, 09:55:45 PM
Fork placement strongly indicates that is NOT betas plate
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
Scapegoating Beto's kid is pretty mumped up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 17, 2020, 10:01:24 PM
Fork placement strongly indicates that is NOT betas plate

Look at the way he is sitting and holding that glass. He's a freaky weirdo who spills food everywhere and then tosses his fork wherever.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
Fork placement strongly indicates that is NOT betas plate

How do you know doesn't over-hand grip his fork and shovel vittles into his mouth like a mongoloid?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2020, 10:06:18 PM
Even if it wasn't his plate (it is) it's disgusting that he lives like that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2020, 11:40:03 PM
I was literally in tears laughing at this series of tweets

https://twitter.com/mustachetoilet/status/1251212843334070272

https://twitter.com/mustachetoilet/status/1251221668648718336

https://twitter.com/theRedLefty/status/1251301705721012226
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2020, 11:50:17 PM
That's great
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 17, 2020, 11:54:55 PM
You know Beto tipped the delivery guy $2


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 18, 2020, 12:01:18 AM
https://twitter.com/theRedLefty/status/1251301705721012226

lol.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 18, 2020, 12:21:48 AM
Loved this
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on April 18, 2020, 08:59:13 PM
holy crap


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 19, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
eff them Chinese, right Joe? Is this the party representative you neolibs want?
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1251582266251243525
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 19, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
eff them Chinese, right Joe? Is this the party representative you neolibs want?
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1251582266251243525

Billionaires make great adds.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
ChiCom Joe talking about holding China accountable is very  :lol: :lol: :lol:

ChiCom Joe is always at least 4 laps down.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
 On Trump's China Travel Ban, ChiCom Joe said:

"This is no time for Trump's record of hysterical xenophobia and fear mongering" 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
money, as we all know, controls politics.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1252344635558514689
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2020, 05:05:22 PM
money, as we all know, controls politics.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1252344635558514689

I know you are not this naive or stupid, so I guess that leaves cynical.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
joe biden had like 3 dollars in the bank on february 28, kat kid.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2020, 05:20:10 PM
joe biden had like 3 dollars in the bank on february 28, kat kid.

and bloomberg spent $1 billion....

you think this is what people mean by "money in politics?"
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
what does it mean to you?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in sys here too
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in sys here too

one has to go where the data takes you.


i do think money influences electoral outcomes to a much greater degree in races for lesser offices, but it's actually not as easy to tease apart as one might think - the person that raises the most money almost always has other advantages (incumbency, party support, name recognition, etc) that confound effects.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on April 20, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
money, as we all know, controls politics.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1252344635558514689

With the money he spent running for President, he could have given even single American $3,000,000  :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in sys here too

one has to go where the data takes you.


i do think money influences electoral outcomes to a much greater degree in races for lesser offices, but it's actually not as easy to tease apart as one might think - the person that raises the most money almost always has other advantages (incumbency, party support, name recognition, etc) that confound effects.

“Electoral outcomes” has been lessened because of small donor campaigns. But I think “money in politics” is not just campaign contributions. But just as a for instance, Jim Clyburn is the number 1 recipient of pharma money. Do we think this had zero to do with his views or that this is just dumb on the part of the pharma companies?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
“Electoral outcomes” has been lessened because of small donor campaigns. But I think “money in politics” is not just campaign contributions. But just as a for instance, Jim Clyburn is the number 1 recipient of pharma money. Do we think this had zero to do with his views or that this is just dumb on the part of the pharma companies?

it's all the same thing.  clyburn takes the pharma money because he thinks it will help him get reelected (a little bit of other motivation, some legit and some less so, speaking as a rule not for clyburn specifically).

if the end result is falsified, then the whole chain is either a self-perpetuating delusion or will eventually fall apart.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2020, 07:04:15 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in sys here too

one has to go where the data leads me to the conclusion that I want to see.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2020, 07:07:19 PM
I will give sys credit for consistency. I believe it was he who, a couple of years ago, tried to convince me that NRA's money didn't buy the influence that we think it does.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 07:18:03 PM
I will give sys credit for consistency. I believe it was he who, a couple of years ago, tried to convince me that NRA's money didn't buy the influence that we think it does.

has it been that long already?  seems more recent.  or maybe we had the same disagreement and discussion on israel more recently.

but yeah, the money in politics critique is at least partly a rationalization people engage in to avoid recognizing that positions they disagree with have significant support among fellow voters.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
I will give sys credit for consistency. I believe it was he who, a couple of years ago, tried to convince me that NRA's money didn't buy the influence that we think it does.

has it been that long already?  seems more recent.  or maybe we had the same disagreement and discussion on israel more recently.

but yeah, the money in politics critique is at least partly a rationalization people engage in to avoid recognizing that positions they disagree with have significant support among fellow voters.

No, you're turning a conversation into a chicken or egg conversation that isn't one. Money in politics, particularly in the areas of two-party politics, guns, and health care does two things. First, it's used to get people to act against their own interests. Secondly, allows decision-making pols to ignore the will of their constituents. A lot of opinions are formed by money. I won't limit these to conservative causes either, the same could be said about how we view education in this country. The NEA is largely influential and they absolutely use their money and power to shape opinions.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 07:36:40 PM
i should add that it also allows people to absolve themselves of their shared responsibility, in a democracy, for the decisions of their elected representatives.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
I will give sys credit for consistency. I believe it was he who, a couple of years ago, tried to convince me that NRA's money didn't buy the influence that we think it does.

has it been that long already?  seems more recent.  or maybe we had the same disagreement and discussion on israel more recently.

but yeah, the money in politics critique is at least partly a rationalization people engage in to avoid recognizing that positions they disagree with have significant support among fellow voters.

If you think the vast majority of the American public has anything that might be considered a political ideology than I think you are nuts. People consume politics as a spectacle now (not that this is new, but it is by far the dominant lens) and there is seemingly no relationship between policy preferences and voting other than some culture war proxies. No one really gives a crap about achieving policy goals, just owning the other side. The people that stand to materially benefit from any actual change to the system don’t participate in it because they view it (rightly) as corrupt and (wrongly in my opinion) not worth participating in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 20, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
If you think the vast majority of the American public has anything that might be considered a political ideology than I think you are nuts.

people have opinions, whether you or i would judge those opinions to form a coherent ideology means little.  i agree with you (at least i think we're in agreement) that negative partisanship rules the day.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 20, 2020, 07:52:19 PM
I definitely think if we had limits on campaign spending you’d end up with a pretty different candidate pool. My guess is for the better but who knows. Right now it definitely seems to consistently end up being pretty swampy/gross, independently wealthy, and crazy nutso.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on April 20, 2020, 09:48:55 PM
I think the difference is that in the current system candidates focus on building a coalition of donors first. I think in a reformed campaign contribution system the initial focus would be building a coalition of voters and special interest groups. I assume that would result in different candidates in the later stages.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 22, 2020, 08:42:03 AM
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1252928498974498816
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 23, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
Sys / Chings /everybody

Read one of the best Kansans there is—Thomas Frank—on populism.

 https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/ (https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 23, 2020, 04:01:24 PM
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1252928498974498816

A month (or more) into a near G20/Global shutdown of industry and dramatic reduction in fossil fuel level consumption (to the point there's a world wide oil glut and oil is essentially worthless).

Virtually no drop in CO2 levels outside of what would be considered natural variability.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: CHONGS on April 23, 2020, 04:16:25 PM
Sys / Chings /everybody

Read one of the best Kansans there is—Thomas Frank—on populism.

 https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/ (https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/)
A nice read, but it misses the point Eco (a non American) makes about the links between,  populist movements and fascism.  In fact, Frank makes an error (IMHO) in carelessly linking elitism to being wary of populist movements.
 
You should read that Eco essay.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2020, 04:48:15 PM
I don't think a comparison between Trump populism and Bernie populism is very accurate. They differ significantly by both breadth and depth.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on April 23, 2020, 06:13:33 PM
Sys / Chings /everybody

Read one of the best Kansans there is—Thomas Frank—on populism.

 https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/ (https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/)

Like I been stating in my posts, ppl don't get involved in politics enough to realize this started back in the turn of the century.  The rich and business class run this country and they're not going to do crap for the working class.  They enforce it by brainwashing rubes into fear to support and elect anyone that wants to fix this crap before it's to late.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 23, 2020, 07:11:17 PM
Sys / Chings /everybody

Read one of the best Kansans there is—Thomas Frank—on populism.

 https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/ (https://harpers.org/archive/2020/05/how-the-anti-populists-stopped-bernie-sanders/)
A nice read, but it misses the point Eco (a non American) makes about the links between,  populist movements and fascism.  In fact, Frank makes an error (IMHO) in carelessly linking elitism to being wary of populist movements.
 
You should read that Eco essay.

I did. He’s obviously brilliant and I enjoyed it immensely. I definitely think fascists in Germany appealed to the “volk” but I think it was insidious that sys used it in the context of Bernie. I also think the Italian/German fascist examples were very different and that they are often conflated by American audiences. I also thought of it when Macron was talking about the threat of populism to the European project at the same time the Netherlands and Germany were putting the squeeze on Italy and Spain and thought he was either being hopelessly cynical or that the Europeans have a similar definition of populism to sys which seems to be “bad stuff I don’t like.”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 23, 2020, 09:20:56 PM
the Europeans have a similar definition of populism to sys which seems to be “bad stuff I don’t like.”

it's funny you used that phrase as it was exactly my reaction to the frank excerpt you posted - he seems to be making the argument that true populism is only the stuff he likes and not at all the stuff he doesn't.

i wish him luck with the rebranding, but if i had any advice, it'd be to worry more about convincing the people to like the stuff he likes, as right populism appears broadly ascendant, while left populism, sanders aside, retreats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on April 25, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
oh no.

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1254202718987653120
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 25, 2020, 08:41:27 PM
the Europeans have a similar definition of populism to sys which seems to be “bad stuff I don’t like.”

it's funny you used that phrase as it was exactly my reaction to the frank excerpt you posted - he seems to be making the argument that true populism is only the stuff he likes and not at all the stuff he doesn't.

i wish him luck with the rebranding, but if i had any advice, it'd be to worry more about convincing the people to like the stuff he likes, as right populism appears broadly ascendant, while left populism, sanders aside, retreats.

well I will read his book and it will probably flesh out this argument more, but I think just pointing out what the term actually means is useful.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 26, 2020, 12:02:03 PM
Good to know CNN also has that Clinton-Steele 3x delete button. 

#circlethewagonsforcreepyJoe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 29, 2020, 01:46:57 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/ (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/)

good grief she is thirsty for vp
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on April 29, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/ (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/)

good grief she is thirsty for vp

Shameful. It's amazing how many politicians are shamefully ambitious sellouts. They have no conviction about anything other than advancing their political careers. This woman was a progressive like 4 months ago.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: kim carnes on April 30, 2020, 10:50:08 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/ (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/stacey-abrams-joe-biden-tara-reade-cnntv/)

good grief she is thirsty for vp

Shameful. It's amazing how many politicians are shamefully ambitious sellouts. They have no conviction about anything other than advancing their political careers. This woman was a progressive like 4 months ago.

This isn’t unique to politics
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on April 30, 2020, 11:37:29 PM
Because I'm bored...would you want Elizabeth Warren to be VP, in the executive branch, initially I was thinking she could have a large input in filling positions in executive agencies. Guess she could also do that in the Senate or in coordination initially (during the primary).

Also what if young voter turnout rose, relative to the last primary, in the remaining states, what would the story line be?

Liz as VP for Joe Biden is about what she deserves.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2020, 12:19:21 AM
I have a hard time believing Biden will be able to finish a 4 year term.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2020, 01:27:41 AM
I really want to hop on the "he won't be the nominee" train, but I just don't see any realistic way that happens
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2020, 06:24:17 AM
he could die.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 01, 2020, 06:30:40 AM
he could die.

it is a pretty short time horizon and at this point his rotten brain clearly isn't going to keep him from it.

it also doesn't make much sense to me that the tara reade accusation (or some other thing) would get fully deployed now in the middle of the pandemic when Joe is basically irrelevant, as opposed to once he is the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 01, 2020, 06:42:48 AM
he could die.

it is a pretty short time horizon and at this point his rotten brain clearly isn't going to keep him from it.

it also doesn't make much sense to me that the tara reade accusation (or some other thing) would get fully deployed now in the middle of the pandemic when Joe is basically irrelevant, as opposed to once he is the nominee.

I get the fact that my unpopular views on things have me labeled here as the “crazy guy”, however I’m really having a hard time seeing how any party could put Biden on their ticket as the nominee.  Just makes zero sense.  I mean is he REALLY the highest quality candidate in the entire Democratic Party?!?!  Something is fishy about it.

Either they believe they can rig and steal the election with a “weekend at Bernie’s” candidate, or their planning a late term switcharoo so that the pubs don’t have as much time to form a good smear campaign against their real candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 01, 2020, 06:49:01 AM
he could die.

it is a pretty short time horizon and at this point his rotten brain clearly isn't going to keep him from it.

it also doesn't make much sense to me that the tara reade accusation (or some other thing) would get fully deployed now in the middle of the pandemic when Joe is basically irrelevant, as opposed to once he is the nominee.

I get the fact that my unpopular views on things have me labeled here as the “crazy guy”, however I’m really having a hard time seeing how any party could put Biden on their ticket as the nominee.  Just makes zero sense.  I mean is he REALLY the highest quality candidate in the entire Democratic Party?!?!  Something is fishy about it.

Either they believe they can rig and steal the election with a “weekend at Bernie’s” candidate, or their planning a late term switcharoo so that the pubs don’t have as much time to form a good smear campaign against their real candidate.

The Democrats pulling off something this well coordinated or strategic is way crazier to believe than them putting up a shitty candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 01, 2020, 07:08:24 AM
I respectfully disagree KK. [They]’ve been managing to pull off something far more strategic and well coordinated for decades, although the plot may be more bi-partisan than most would consider. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 01, 2020, 07:31:16 AM
i know this goes against everything you believe in, bookie, but biden will be the nominee because the people chose him in elections that were largely free, fair and transparent.


he certainly wasn't my candidate and i think he's much too old for the job, but i've come to believe the electorate probably did a pretty good job of selecting the best candidate to win the general election.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
Because I'm bored...would you want Elizabeth Warren to be VP, in the executive branch, initially I was thinking she could have a large input in filling positions in executive agencies. Guess she could also do that in the Senate or in coordination initially (during the primary).

Also what if young voter turnout rose, relative to the last primary, in the remaining states, what would the story line be?

Initially, yes, I wanted that. However, with Whitmer, Harris, and Abrams sacrificing principles and bending at the knee of Uncle Joe, I don't want that for Warren at the expense of changing who she's been. I'm a Warren supporter because, she has the absolute best record of social justice, it'd be a shame to throw that away.

This isn't to say that I think Biden did it, but to give him the benefit of the doubt when they didn't/don't for Trump, Cavanaugh, et al is transparent as eff and shameful.

I also think the odds of Biden making it to November, winning, then making it to 2024, remote.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
he could die.

it is a pretty short time horizon and at this point his rotten brain clearly isn't going to keep him from it.

it also doesn't make much sense to me that the tara reade accusation (or some other thing) would get fully deployed now in the middle of the pandemic when Joe is basically irrelevant, as opposed to once he is the nominee.

I get the fact that my unpopular views on things have me labeled here as the “crazy guy”, however I’m really having a hard time seeing how any party could put Biden on their ticket as the nominee.  Just makes zero sense.  I mean is he REALLY the highest quality candidate in the entire Democratic Party?!?!  Something is fishy about it.

Either they believe they can rig and steal the election with a “weekend at Bernie’s” candidate, or their planning a late term switcharoo so that the pubs don’t have as much time to form a good smear campaign against their real candidate.

Hell of a take from a trump supporter. Sys is right he's the choice of the people from the choices they were given, the vocal component of democrats that have a problem with it, need to deal. The same way republicans had to accept a pro choice reality show star with three wives, seven bankruptcies, and a video admitting to sexual assault.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on May 01, 2020, 01:58:56 PM
I think Trump has a history of payments/tabloid story spiking that give his accusations more credence than Joe's but agree that they seem very similar to Kavanaugh's accusations.  I can justify voting for Biden and being against Kavanaugh because Trump could've just nominated another judge where I feel like voting for Biden will be the best option I have.  I totally understand if other people can't though.

The "is Biden the best you could do" take is pretty bad.  Both parties have been nominating pretty flawed candidates for a long ass time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 01, 2020, 02:23:56 PM
MIR just jacking moonshots left and right today.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 01, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
Jesse Ventura needs to run with Marianne Williamson. Rebrand the Greens the Vibes party.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
Oh God!
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1256199367775735808
(https://media.giphy.com/media/p4cqQ0gUIMcU0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on May 01, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
Jesse Ventura needs to run with Marianne Williamson. Rebrand the Greens the Vibes party.

Oh das a vibe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:52:23 PM
If there's one thing Useful Idiot Leadership will fight to the bitter end (with the full support of the vast majority of Useful Idiot Nation) . . . is opening up of records.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: @ Mika for ever thinking that was going to happen.

#circlethewagons #metooforyoubutnotforme
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on May 01, 2020, 02:54:12 PM
strange, I thought mika was part of the socialist democratic media cabal
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
strange, I thought mika was part of the socialist democratic media cabal

Mika just wants somebody else as the Dem Nominee . . . dummy
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 02:56:19 PM
Let's not let the old man get us off topic here. Biden and the DNC has painted the entire party in a hell of a corner.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
Let's not let the old man get us off topic here. Biden and the DNC has painted the entire party in a hell of a corner.

Let's not let MIR misunderstand something as usual.

Asking a Democratic presidential candidate to unseal anything from their past is a fools errand, and absolutely topical.   You brought it up, FFS

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 03:36:31 PM
Dax, this is going to turn into another two page whataboutism distraction exercise regarding the Obama administration, and I don't want to have that conversation, he's gone.

 I'm interested in discussing the parallels between this, Brett Kavanaugh, Roy Moore, Al Franken, and Donald Trump and how the democrats can and will behave completely differently. Will one of the people on this board who plan on voting for Biden just be honest about why they are going to ignore this, will we get the continued silence in hopes that it goes away, or will we get a stream of bullshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2020, 03:42:05 PM
Biden hasn't responded by saying the woman is too ugly for him to rape, so that's already one difference.

Personally I'm just burying my head in the sand and hoping the VP is good.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 01, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Will one of the people on this board who plan on voting for Biden just be honest about why they are going to ignore this

Overwhelmingly because I want him to win, but to a much lesser extent because it seems like bullshit.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Will one of the people on this board who plan on voting for Biden just be honest about why they are going to ignore this

Overwhelmingly because I want him to win, but to a much lesser extent because it seems like bullshit.

Yeah, maybe so. Did you share this sentiment during the Kavanaugh confirmation? I find it fishy that her story has changed though the years. I don't find it fishy that is documented that she's told multiple people something since it supposedly happened. If nothing happened I don't know why Biden is hesitant to release all relevant records. What's he hiding?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 01, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
Will one of the people on this board who plan on voting for Biden just be honest about why they are going to ignore this

Overwhelmingly because I want him to win, but to a much lesser extent because it seems like bullshit.

Yeah, maybe so. Did you share this sentiment during the Kavanaugh confirmation? I find it fishy that her story has changed though the years. I don't find it fishy that is documented that she's told multiple people something since it supposedly happened. If nothing happened I don't know why Biden is hesitant to release all relevant records. What's he hiding?

I don't think I had that much of any sentiment during the Kavanaugh confirmation, but it would be consistent in that my feelings would've largely been dictated by my interest in the result.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 04:07:24 PM
Okay, if you want to plead ignorance or indifference to shield yourself from the pretty obvious hypocrisy, that's your right. I'd guess your lack of support for trump has more to do with him being an amoral, incapable, baboon who has created a leadership vacuum and constantly embarrasses the country, and less than the effect the trump administration has had on your life.

I don't know how you couldn't look at that 3:50 clip and not think you're voting for a version of that.

Also those of you holding out hope for his VP sound just like the religious right zombies who said the same thing when Pence was nominated. Now they are all in, trump male genitals deep in their mouths, balls resting on the chins of the religious right.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 01, 2020, 04:10:06 PM
i personally find it troubling that a huge portion of the electorate favors pervy old men

i guess take it to the common ground thread?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
biden is definitely the lesser of the old man sexual assaulters. unreal the dems hadn't vetted this out before now. there must have been about a billion better candidates
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on May 01, 2020, 04:19:42 PM
Will one of the people on this board who plan on voting for Biden just be honest about why they are going to ignore this

I believe her. I would vote for any of the Democratic candidates in an effort to defeat Trump. The Democratic nominee would have to be worse than Trump for me not to, which is pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
biden is definitely the lesser of the old man sexual assaulters. unreal the dems hadn't vetted this out before now. there must have been about a billion better candidates

He hasn't had multiple rape allegations but he has has multiple allegations of incidences that would get one of us, well me for sure, arrested. Also worth noting that Kavanaugh's allegations happened when he was in high school and college. Biden's allegations are strikingly similar to Al Franken and the dems were quick to cancel him.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on May 01, 2020, 04:22:49 PM
Okay, if you want to plead ignorance or indifference to shield yourself from the pretty obvious hypocrisy, that's your right. I'd guess your lack of support for trump has more to do with him being an amoral, incapable, baboon who has created a leadership vacuum and constantly embarrasses the country, and less than the effect the trump administration has had on your life.

I don't know how you couldn't look at that 3:50 clip and not think you're voting for a version of that.

Also those of you holding out hope for his VP sound just like the religious right zombies who said the same thing when Pence was nominated. Now they are all in, trump male genitals deep in their mouths, balls resting on the chins of the religious right.

You wanted honesty, and I honestly don't care about hypocrisy on this.  It's down to Trump or Biden, and I really hope that Biden wins.

But I don't think anyone could have or will beat Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
Okay, if you want to plead ignorance or indifference to shield yourself from the pretty obvious hypocrisy, that's your right. I'd guess your lack of support for trump has more to do with him being an amoral, incapable, baboon who has created a leadership vacuum and constantly embarrasses the country, and less than the effect the trump administration has had on your life.

I don't know how you couldn't look at that 3:50 clip and not think you're voting for a version of that.

Also those of you holding out hope for his VP sound just like the religious right zombies who said the same thing when Pence was nominated. Now they are all in, trump male genitals deep in their mouths, balls resting on the chins of the religious right.

The VP thing isn't even remotely close to the pence thing. People want a good VP because they don't think (or want) biden to serve a full term, not as some cover to ignore the moral failings of the nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
Okay, if you want to plead ignorance or indifference to shield yourself from the pretty obvious hypocrisy, that's your right. I'd guess your lack of support for trump has more to do with him being an amoral, incapable, baboon who has created a leadership vacuum and constantly embarrasses the country, and less than the effect the trump administration has had on your life.

I don't know how you couldn't look at that 3:50 clip and not think you're voting for a version of that.

Also those of you holding out hope for his VP sound just like the religious right zombies who said the same thing when Pence was nominated. Now they are all in, trump male genitals deep in their mouths, balls resting on the chins of the religious right.

You wanted honesty, and I honestly don't care about hypocrisy on this.  It's down to Trump or Biden, and I really hope that Biden wins.

But I don't think anyone could have or will beat Trump.

And I appreciate the honesty, we only believe and respect women when it's convenient for us. I wish more people were honest about it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 04:41:26 PM
Okay, if you want to plead ignorance or indifference to shield yourself from the pretty obvious hypocrisy, that's your right. I'd guess your lack of support for trump has more to do with him being an amoral, incapable, baboon who has created a leadership vacuum and constantly embarrasses the country, and less than the effect the trump administration has had on your life.

I don't know how you couldn't look at that 3:50 clip and not think you're voting for a version of that.

Also those of you holding out hope for his VP sound just like the religious right zombies who said the same thing when Pence was nominated. Now they are all in, trump male genitals deep in their mouths, balls resting on the chins of the religious right.

The VP thing isn't even remotely close to the pence thing. People want a good VP because they don't think (or want) biden to serve a full term, not as some cover to ignore the moral failings of the nominee.

The religious right thought a religious candidate would influence policy. Additionally, nobody thought trump would see election day or the first four years of his presidency. It's literally the same conversation. I won't accuse you of lying to yourself, as I think you genuinely may have forgot.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on May 01, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
i will vote for the candidate who has the least number of rape accusations...

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kid In the Hall on May 01, 2020, 05:00:15 PM
Let's go to pretend world and say the DNC actually has an intact soul. What are they going to do? Somehow rescind/not allow Biden to be the nominee? Then, choose Sanders or someone else?

That would obviously cost them the election for certain. And, taking the moral high ground for a certain loss won't happen (although, this one be one of the more creative ways they've found to fumble away an election).
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on May 01, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
They are going to do to Biden what they did to Seth Rich
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 01, 2020, 05:19:02 PM
If Biden dies there is a zero percent chance Bernie gets the nod. He’s gotten his ass whipped twice. The Dems have spoken loudly for a decade on that.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 05:25:12 PM
Let's go to pretend world and say the DNC actually has an intact soul. What are they going to do? Somehow rescind/not allow Biden to be the nominee? Then, choose Sanders or someone else?

That would obviously cost them the election for certain. And, taking the moral high ground for a certain loss won't happen (although, this one be one of the more creative ways they've found to fumble away an election).

I don't think it's too late for them to find a new nominee. Biden hasn't even got all of the delegates he needs to secure the nomination. Here's what I would do.

1. Force Biden out, of course we know the DNC and Tom Perez are jellyfish, so this won't happen.
2. I would reopen the process to any candidate that appeared on any ballot. Dropped out before Iowa, sorry bout it.
3. DNC would then work with every state, including ones who have had a primary or caucus. Give the state the option of letting their result stand or to redo the results based on all of the candidates they voted for being out. If a state keeps their result, Biden, or whatever other candidate who chooses to stay out just wouldn't count.
4. Set up mail in voting in every state who decides to hold a primary.
5. Since there won't be a convention anyway, do away with super delegates.
6. Plurality of votes wins the nomination.

Voilà
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 05:27:23 PM
If Biden dies there is a zero percent chance Bernie gets the nod. He’s gotten his ass whipped twice. The Dems have spoken loudly for a decade on that.


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He certainly shouldn't get preferential treatment over any other candidate that quit. We know that he won't get that from the dnc either.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kid In the Hall on May 01, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
It's certainly horrible to say, but you'd probably need at least 3-4 accusers for the DNC to begin to seriously consider dumping Biden.

Of course, they could have up to 15 (or whatever the hell the number is) to still hold the moral high ground vs. Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 08:08:38 PM
It's certainly horrible to say, but you'd probably need at least 3-4 accusers for the DNC to begin to seriously consider dumping Biden.

Of course, they could have up to 15 (or whatever the hell the number is) to still hold the moral high ground vs. Trump.

The amount dems on twitter practicing whataboutism on twitter is at an all-time high. #Ibelievejoe is trending and all of the hypocrites aren't discussing the accusations but either how many accusations Trump has or how Biden is reacting in comparison to trump. I guess Reade doesn't matter to the Dems.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 08:16:57 PM
#ibelievejoe LOL
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kid In the Hall on May 01, 2020, 09:11:21 PM
It's certainly horrible to say, but you'd probably need at least 3-4 accusers for the DNC to begin to seriously consider dumping Biden.

Of course, they could have up to 15 (or whatever the hell the number is) to still hold the moral high ground vs. Trump.

The amount dems on twitter practicing whataboutism on twitter is at an all-time high. #Ibelievejoe is trending and all of the hypocrites aren't discussing the accusations but either how many accusations Trump has or how Biden is reacting in comparison to trump. I guess Reade doesn't matter to the Dems.

That, in a nutshell, is why so many people are disillusioned with our political system. And, it's certainly not a profound thing to say, but, it's crap like this that makes people say voting doesn't matter because both parties suck.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 01, 2020, 09:20:10 PM
#ibelievejoe LOL

https://twitter.com/johnoutbakjak/status/1256375821490511873
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 02, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
I don't believe Joe. It would be great if the Dems would find someone else.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2020, 10:48:36 PM
It'd be equally great if my dog turned into the dragon from The NeverEnding Story, both have an equal likelihood.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2020, 11:02:10 PM
It'd be equally great if my dog turned into the dragon from The NeverEnding Story, both have an equal likelihood.

I'd vote for your dragon dog for sure
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 01:21:07 AM
I don't believe Joe. It would be great if the Dems would find someone else.

i wouldn't frame it as i believe biden, but that there's not much to recommend believing reade, either.  it's certainly possible that the only woman biden raped in his life is a crazy chick who changes her story on a near nightly basis.  but it's not super likely.

my heuristic in these cases remains - men who do this don't do it once and stop.  easiest way to get at what happened is to wait and see if a 2nd, 3rd and 4th emerge.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
I don't believe Joe. It would be great if the Dems would find someone else.

i wouldn't frame it as i believe biden, but that there's not much to recommend believing reade, either.  it's certainly possible that the only woman biden raped in his life is a crazy chick who changes her story on a near nightly basis.  but it's not super likely.

my heuristic in these cases remains - men who do this don't do it once and stop.  easiest way to get at what happened is to wait and see if a 2nd, 3rd and 4th emerge.

I agree with all of this. I will say it's awfully convenient now for dems to consider other factors outside of the actual accusation. It's impressive how quickly they were willing to put #timesup and #metoo in their place.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 03, 2020, 01:01:07 PM
I forgot the DNC (the most corrupt political movement on the planet) still had DB, a guy who  is more slimy than a slug running things.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1257005105234227201?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on May 03, 2020, 01:24:15 PM
What exactly is she claiming? I thought it was sexual harassment not rape. There is ample evidence Joe says all kinds of inappropriate crap but nothing suggesting rape.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2020, 01:59:38 PM
What exactly is she claiming? I thought it was sexual harassment not rape. There is ample evidence Joe says all kinds of inappropriate crap but nothing suggesting rape.

The accusation has changed, the latest version of it has thin digitally penetrating her, which is rape.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on May 03, 2020, 04:27:44 PM
I don't believe Joe. It would be great if the Dems would find someone else.

i wouldn't frame it as i believe biden, but that there's not much to recommend believing reade, either.  it's certainly possible that the only woman biden raped in his life is a crazy chick who changes her story on a near nightly basis.  but it's not super likely.

my heuristic in these cases remains - men who do this don't do it once and stop.  easiest way to get at what happened is to wait and see if a 2nd, 3rd and 4th emerge.

I agree with all of this. I will say it's awfully convenient now for dems to consider other factors outside of the actual accusation. It's impressive how quickly they were willing to put #timesup and #metoo in their place.
It’s good to have a periodic reminder that no party owns a moral high ground. Pubs are taking one on the chin for having to fall behind Trump’s horrendous crap, but Dems can and will do the same for their nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2020, 04:34:58 PM
Yes, agreed


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 03, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
I’m all in favor of ditching Joe, I just don’t think it will happen.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
I’m all in favor of ditching Joe, I just don’t think it will happen.

there's no mechanism for it to happen.  if additional accusers do appear and it becomes obvious that biden is a serious sexual harasser (i say serious because it is already obvious that he habitually does/did some less overtly sexual crap that some women felt crossed lines but that the electorate deemed unimportant) it will be somewhere between damaging and disastrous to the democrats electoral chances.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 03, 2020, 05:37:33 PM
I’m all in favor of ditching Joe, I just don’t think it will happen.

there's no mechanism for it to happen.  if additional accusers do appear and it becomes obvious that biden is a serious sexual harasser (i say serious because it is already obvious that he habitually does/did some less overtly sexual crap that some women felt crossed lines but that the electorate deemed unimportant) it will be somewhere between damaging and disastrous to the democrats electoral chances.

They would go in to the convention with Joe Biden with a majority of delegates or no one with a majority of delegates, if Joe Biden withdraws from the race, then his delegates would potentially have a big enough bloc to get someone on the first ballot but on the second ballot it would open up anyways. If Biden hits the magic number and you don’t think they could do anything about it, well they will control all the rules committees too.

If you think it just won’t happen because it isn’t likely they would go to all that trouble, that is different and I agree, but they absolutely have the ability to do it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
I’m all in favor of ditching Joe, I just don’t think it will happen.

there's no mechanism for it to happen.  if additional accusers do appear and it becomes obvious that biden is a serious sexual harasser (i say serious because it is already obvious that he habitually does/did some less overtly sexual crap that some women felt crossed lines but that the electorate deemed unimportant) it will be somewhere between damaging and disastrous to the democrats electoral chances.

They would go in to the convention with Joe Biden with a majority of delegates or no one with a majority of delegates, if Joe Biden withdraws from the race, then his delegates would potentially have a big enough bloc to get someone on the first ballot but on the second ballot it would open up anyways. If Biden hits the magic number and you don’t think they could do anything about it, well they will control all the rules committees too.

If you think it just won’t happen because it isn’t likely they would go to all that trouble, that is different and I agree, but they absolutely have the ability to do it.

I echo this and I'll also add that the will of the electorate has never before mattered to democrats when it comes to nonconsensual contact issues.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 06:39:07 PM
They would go in to the convention with Joe Biden with a majority of delegates or no one with a majority of delegates, if Joe Biden withdraws from the race, then his delegates would potentially have a big enough bloc to get someone on the first ballot but on the second ballot it would open up anyways. If Biden hits the magic number and you don’t think they could do anything about it, well they will control all the rules committees too.

If you think it just won’t happen because it isn’t likely they would go to all that trouble, that is different and I agree, but they absolutely have the ability to do it.

i say no mechanism in the sense that there is no way to transfer the nomination to another person in a way that transfers the legitimacy that having won the nomination by election does.  a new nominee chosen by a small selectorate would not enjoy that same perception and it would be more difficult, perhaps impossible, to unify the party behind that person.

the closest thing to an accepted transfer would be to transfer the nomination to a vp nominee, but because biden hasn't selected one prior to the emergence of this issue, even that would viewed as tainted.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 06:48:26 PM
for the record, if additional serious and incontrovertible accusations do surface before biden is nominated, i do think the democrats would replace him and the electoral consequence would be somewhere between damaging and disastrous.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 03, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
for the record, if additional serious and incontrovertible accusations do surface before biden is nominated, i do think the democrats would replace him and the electoral consequence would be somewhere between damaging and disastrous.

Your qualification is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Does any Trump accusation of a sexual assault meet this standard?

As for the legitimacy question, I kind of doubt that will be much of a concern in a scenario where they are actually looking at doing this.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Your qualification is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Does any Trump accusation of a sexual assault meet this standard?

it is, yes.

replacing the nominee is a consequential matter and i don't think the party would undertake it unless it was felt that not doing so would likely have worse consequences than doing so.

i think that the entire portfolio of the trump accusations would trigger this action.  one of them on it's own would not.  the franken accusations would not.  the kavanaugh accusations would probably not.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on May 03, 2020, 08:26:20 PM
for the record, if additional serious and incontrovertible accusations do surface before biden is nominated, i do think the democrats would replace him and the electoral consequence would be somewhere between damaging and disastrous.

Your qualification is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Does any Trump accusation of a sexual assault meet this standard?

As for the legitimacy question, I kind of doubt that will be much of a concern in a scenario where they are actually looking at doing this.

I think I see the point you're getting at. So let me say, it's different for Democrats.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on May 03, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
That’s true enough, but as long is we are in total speculative hypothetical land it is pretty easy to tweak the parameters enough to get the result you are arguing for.

I bet a non-trivial amount of money that joe Biden is better than 81% to be the nominee, it went down and I bet more, so I’m very unconvinced that there is anything standing in his way, and since we are adding in variables, the complete and total lack of any campaign and the likely extreme focus on coronavirus for the foreseeable future is a pretty big argument in my favor. But Biden was a shitty candidate and his very public and repeated sexual harassment of women was a completely foreseeable problem.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on May 03, 2020, 08:47:49 PM
I bet a non-trivial amount of money that joe Biden is better than 81% to be the nominee, it went down and I bet more, so I’m very unconvinced that there is anything standing in his way.

i mean, yeah.  i've made the same bet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2020, 09:20:13 PM
But Biden was a shitty candidate and his very public and repeated sexual harassment of women was a completely foreseeable problem.

Had already been reported before the Reade accusation was made public, again.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
My gawd, that old man is literally going to have the worst of the absolute worst controlling him every step of the way, and there's no way Jill is going to be able to stop them.

So look out poor 3rd world countries, drones and F-15's are headed your way by this time next year.



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 09, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
My gawd, that old man is literally going to have the worst of the absolute worst controlling him every step of the way, and there's no way Jill is going to be able to stop them.

So look out poor 3rd world countries, drones and F-15's are headed your way by this time next year.
So are you saying you think Biden is going to win?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on May 09, 2020, 11:07:45 PM
If this idiot would have thrown down $130 grand he wouldn't have this problem.  If he would play his cards right, he could blame this all on Barry.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on May 12, 2020, 12:29:28 PM
https://twitter.com/jim_newell/status/1260225982134435840
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on June 06, 2020, 12:48:08 AM
I found an actual MAGA Berner in the wild today. It was a bigger old woman in a van, her van had three stickers on it; left side said "I kneel for the fallen and stand for the flag," right side said "I'm a child not a choice," in the middle was a huge "Billionaires can't buy Bernie" sticker. I wanted to ask some questions but I definitely got "I'll call the police" vibes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 09, 2020, 01:02:46 PM
lol yesss!

https://twitter.com/baddestmamajama/status/1281275633079738369
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2020, 01:07:32 PM
lol yesss!

https://twitter.com/baddestmamajama/status/1281275633079738369

So the difference between this and Obama is that Pete lost?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2020, 01:08:09 PM
Quote
Former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has signed with CAA and Brillstein Entertainment Partners, which will work with him to amplify his series of public policy initiatives.

CAA and Brillstein represented Buttigieg in the deal for his next book, Trust: America’s Best Chance, which he announced on Wednesday. It will be published by Liveright Publishing on Oct. 6.

After his presidential campaign, Buttigieg formed a group called Win the Era, focusing on supporting and endorsing down ballot candidates and the next generation of leaders, with some emphasis on contenders in typically conservative areas.

Wow, what a phony  :jerk:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on July 09, 2020, 01:27:47 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on July 09, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/521a105b605e4dbfe4e74e062db8a5a35f5baa0f/0_0_1400_2153/master/1400.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=d256a332935780dcb9441ba10857a5ef)

Chapter 1, page 1: I suck ass.

Fin
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2020, 02:36:08 PM
Quote
Former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has signed with CAA and Brillstein Entertainment Partners, which will work with him to amplify his series of public policy initiatives.

CAA and Brillstein represented Buttigieg in the deal for his next book, Trust: America’s Best Chance, which he announced on Wednesday. It will be published by Liveright Publishing on Oct. 6.

After his presidential campaign, Buttigieg formed a group called Win the Era, focusing on supporting and endorsing down ballot candidates and the next generation of leaders, with some emphasis on contenders in typically conservative areas.

Wow, what a phony  :jerk:

So, Beto?
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on July 09, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
Quote
Former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has signed with CAA and Brillstein Entertainment Partners, which will work with him to amplify his series of public policy initiatives.

CAA and Brillstein represented Buttigieg in the deal for his next book, Trust: America’s Best Chance, which he announced on Wednesday. It will be published by Liveright Publishing on Oct. 6.

After his presidential campaign, Buttigieg formed a group called Win the Era, focusing on supporting and endorsing down ballot candidates and the next generation of leaders, with some emphasis on contenders in typically conservative areas.

Wow, what a phony  :jerk:
Was just about to post this. This is what really gets under my skin. That twitter dude just saw a headline with “entertainment partners” in it and was like “got his ass.” And I’m sure most other people seeing the tweet made the mistake assuming twitter lady read it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on July 09, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
It was much more fun when we all loved to goof on Buttigieg without worrying about giving him the benefit of the doubt.  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on July 09, 2020, 04:02:23 PM
those were good days.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2020, 08:30:57 PM
Pete gang is for life
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Spracne on July 09, 2020, 09:01:24 PM
Pete gang is for life

 :Woot:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 02, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
Bill Clinton praises Jim Clyburn for helping the canal destroy Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. These people are evil.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/IWoSOh7CbLA[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 02, 2020, 02:52:21 PM
we all owe rep clyburn a debt of gratitude.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2020, 03:09:01 PM
Yes


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Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 02, 2020, 03:09:45 PM
Bill Clinton praises Jim Clyburn for helping the canal destroy Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. These people are evil.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/IWoSOh7CbLA[/youtube]
Democrat praises fellow Democrat for destroying non-Democrat’s presidential run who was trying to co-opt Democratic Party for his own purposes. What exactly is evil about that?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
I don't think Biden would have lost South Carolina without a Clyburn endorsement
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Will Bernie Bros ever come to terms with the fact that the majority of their party's voters just didn't want him to be the nominee?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2020, 03:33:48 PM
Will Bernie Bros ever come to terms with the fact that the majority of their party's voters just didn't want him to be the nominee?
I'm pretty sure I said as much in the post right before yours
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 02, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
I don't think Biden would have lost South Carolina without a Clyburn endorsement

agree.

and to the extent he moved any voters, it's unlikely he moved many from sanders to biden.  if he had any influence it was by telling people it was time to quit rough ridin' around with bloomberg and steyer and vote seriously.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2020, 03:47:53 PM
I don't think Biden would have lost South Carolina without a Clyburn endorsement

agree.

and to the extent he moved any voters, it's unlikely he moved many from sanders to biden.  if he had any influence it was by telling people it was time to quit rough ridin' around with bloomberg and steyer and vote seriously.
Which I think the South Carolina results would have taken care of as well.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 02, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
Bill Clinton praises Jim Clyburn for helping the canal destroy Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. These people are evil.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/IWoSOh7CbLA[/youtube]
Democrat praises fellow Democrat for destroying non-Democrat’s presidential run who was trying to co-opt Democratic Party for his own purposes. What exactly is evil about that?

You know what? When put this way I don’t disagree.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 02, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
Well, that’s refreshingly honest, but that is not how the internet is supposed to work, Nic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on August 02, 2020, 08:18:23 PM
Is the canal supposed to be the cabal?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 02, 2020, 08:51:01 PM
Bill Clinton praises Jim Clyburn for helping the canal destroy Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. These people are evil.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/IWoSOh7CbLA[/youtube]
Democrat praises fellow Democrat for destroying non-Democrat’s presidential run who was trying to co-opt Democratic Party for his own purposes. What exactly is evil about that?

You know what? When put this way I don’t disagree.

I think you're both correct. If Bernie wasn't Bernie but a lifelong progressive Democrat, they would have done this to them as well, particularly the Clintons. The democrats and the republicans don't really stand for anything other than beating the other party. I don't think a progressive democrat would have won South Carolina, regardless. However, nationwide, exit polling showed over and over that voters have moved left, the establishment of the party hasn't done so as of yet.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
dumbass socialists' strawman joe biden - "i rough ridin' love the status quo."
real, live, true-hero joe biden - "my fellow americans, i will kill god himself."

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1291430774273605632
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2020, 04:35:47 PM
Quote
In Christian theology, the world, the flesh, and the joe biden (Latin: mundus, caro, et diabolus) are often traditionally described as the three enemies of the soul. As the sources of temptation, they are viewed as in opposition to the Trinity.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2020, 04:44:10 PM
scene: three senior trump strategists and an innocent young boy are discussing campaign strategy.

1st strategist - we'll say he's a socialist.
2nd strategist - it'll never work, we'll say he's aoc's puppet.
3rd strategist - aoc said they don't even belong in the same party, it'll never work.

the strategists stare morosely at the table.


innocent young boy - but why don't we... why don't we just say he'll hurt god?

smiles slowly transform the strategists' faces.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: kim carnes on August 06, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
scene: three senior trump strategists and an innocent young boy are discussing campaign strategy.

1st strategist - we'll say he's a socialist.
2nd strategist - it'll never work, we'll say he's aoc's puppet.
3rd strategist - aoc said they don't even belong in the same party, it'll never work.

the strategists stare morosely at the table.


innocent young boy - but why don't we... why don't we just say he'll hurt god?

smiles slowly transform the strategists' faces.

It is undeniable that the far left side of the party has influence on him and any intelligent person can see that. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 06, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
i'll edit you into the scene, kim carnes.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on August 06, 2020, 05:18:40 PM
dumbass socialists' strawman joe biden - "i rough ridin' love the status quo."
real, live, true-hero joe biden - "my fellow americans, i will kill god himself."

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1291430774273605632

If Biden is powerful enough to hurt God we should probably vote for him   :ohno:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: kim carnes on August 06, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
i'll edit you into the scene, kim carnes.

Strategist 3 is an idiot
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
Good to see that they let Joe drive his Vette up and down his driveway a couple of times.

I don't see Near Future President Susan Rice doing that kind of thing.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2020, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/weedlewobble/status/1291524907403284482
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2020, 09:12:23 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2020, 09:47:56 PM
Haha
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 06, 2020, 10:54:03 PM
 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: catastrophe on August 06, 2020, 11:16:20 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 11, 2020, 07:37:51 AM
Mayor Pete!

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1293159148444581889
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: bucket on August 11, 2020, 08:04:07 AM
Mayor Pete!

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1293159148444581889

Not sure whether to read into the fact that Gretchen Whitmer, Tammy Duckworth and Kamala Harris are listed as speakers separate from the VP nominee.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 11, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
Mayor Pete!

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1293159148444581889

Not sure whether to read into the fact that Gretchen Whitmer, Tammy Duckworth and Kamala Harris are listed as speakers separate from the VP nominee.

Means nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 11, 2020, 08:34:45 AM
Are they all going to be on zoom or what?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 11, 2020, 08:42:34 AM
Are they all going to be on zoom or what?

I read virtual of some kind.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 11, 2020, 08:42:42 AM
Are they all going to be on zoom or what?
Yeah gonna be pretty zippy without 30 minutes of applause per speech
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: mocat on August 11, 2020, 09:23:56 AM
back to back Tammy 1 and Tammy 2
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2020, 10:45:40 AM
Mayor Pete!

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1293159148444581889

Not sure whether to read into the fact that Gretchen Whitmer, Tammy Duckworth and Kamala Harris are listed as speakers separate from the VP nominee.

There's no way he's picking Whitmer, she and Bass will be unnecessarily damaging.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 11, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
susan rice? can't even make this crap up.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 11, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
I like how Susan Rice has never run for office. She seems way more competent to me than she probably would otherwise.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Buy more commodity/component based defense stocks if Rice is the choice.

Entities that build the munitions and components for the things that go bang. 

I'd also look at foreign source weapon systems contractors, if you can buy their stock.   Susan will be wanting to arm a whole lot of bad people through the DOD non-traditional/foreign sourced weapons procurement office.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on August 11, 2020, 02:54:50 PM
back to back Tammy 1 and Tammy 2

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a3cb039e5373459099446dd8b94deb7a/tenor.gif?itemid=13955757)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 11, 2020, 03:02:43 PM
I think Duckworth would be a great VP but too many people would get hung up on her not being born in the USA. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 11, 2020, 03:27:42 PM
it's kamala
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on August 11, 2020, 03:29:12 PM
I think Duckworth would be a great VP but too many people would get hung up on her not being born in the USA.

Nevermind McCain, Sharice Davids, Dan Crenshaw, Ted Cruz, et al all would have this problem
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 11, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
CNN is saying it's Harris.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Brock Landers on August 11, 2020, 03:44:49 PM
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2019-09/29/15/asset/3d284c3befa2/anigif_sub-buzz-501-1569772485-1.gif?output-quality=auto&output-format=auto&downsize=360:*)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 11, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
Kamala was the safe play. lmao at saying he's going to defund the police now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 11, 2020, 03:57:31 PM
Kamala is going to eat Pence up in any debate. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 11, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1293290710310047744
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 11, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
The deep state strikes again
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on August 11, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 11, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
I see the Dems are recycling failed talking points.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: fun muffin on August 11, 2020, 04:34:40 PM
Didn't Harris say she believed Biden's sexual assault accusers?   




:lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 11, 2020, 04:49:28 PM
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1293287583728971778?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Harris pretty much called well known mega racist Joe Biden a mega racist in the debates. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 11, 2020, 06:38:36 PM
[youtube] https://youtu.be/Y8zh1fIaneY[/youtube]


I think this is relevant. Not anything new.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 11, 2020, 06:40:30 PM
Lol at hitting that play button that’s sandwiched between those 2 faces.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: wetwillie on August 11, 2020, 06:41:54 PM
I bet she made Biden promise he would die no later than one year into his term.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
But congrats to future (very near future) President Harris
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 11, 2020, 06:48:21 PM
All those susan "literally hitler" rice meltdowns gone to waste  :frown:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 06:52:24 PM
Still plenty of opportunities to bring Susan in and let her go to town on brown people across the globe and get us into a war with Russia. 

Don’t lose hope, BidenBot.7
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Phil Titola on August 11, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
My not knowing much about any of these people, she seems like a good choice.  Bring Maya Rudolph back to SNL!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 11, 2020, 09:19:36 PM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 11, 2020, 09:35:13 PM


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2020, 10:07:32 PM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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eff Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but that second tweet is absolutely factually accurate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Justwin on August 11, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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eff Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but that second tweet is absolutely factually accurate.

That's the whole point.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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eff Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but that second tweet is absolutely factually accurate.

That's the whole point.

I don't get the point, help me. You think the fact that her abhorrent record on criminal justice and the fact that she's the most progressive person to ever be a vice presidential candidate only looks poorly for her, Joe Biden and Shaun King? It's a very sad commentary on this country that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the concessions that have to be made to get rid of Donald rough ridin' Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on August 11, 2020, 10:31:21 PM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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eff Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but that second tweet is absolutely factually accurate.

That's the whole point.

I don't get the point, help me. You think the fact that her abhorrent record on criminal justice and the fact that she's the most progressive person to ever be a vice presidential candidate only looks poorly for her, Joe Biden and Shaun King? It's a very sad commentary on this country that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the concessions that have to be made to get rid of Donald rough ridin' Trump.

Agree completely. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 11, 2020, 10:40:54 PM
Joe Biden is probably the most progressive presidential candidate in history, too. At least in absolute terms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 12, 2020, 12:48:28 AM
kinda crazy.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1293292750209560576
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 12, 2020, 06:12:42 AM
OMG.... lol


https://twitter.com/sydneylwatson/status/1293349799039832064?s=21


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eff Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but that second tweet is absolutely factually accurate.

That's the whole point.

I don't get the point, help me. You think the fact that her abhorrent record on criminal justice and the fact that she's the most progressive person to ever be a vice presidential candidate only looks poorly for her, Joe Biden and Shaun King? It's a very sad commentary on this country that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the concessions that have to be made to get rid of Donald rough ridin' Trump.
It’s a dumb wannabe gotcha moment tweet. King wasn’t going to support Biden or Harris in the primary. There is nothing inconsistent about supporting them now. It’s basically “public figure highlights worst traits of 2 candidates while supporting others in primary election, then highlights best traits while supporting candidates in general election”
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 06:51:54 AM
Joe Biden:  A Progressive since April 2020

The unfortunate thing for Joe if he marches the US off to another war is that he won’t be able to champion the thing and then 6 months later claim it wasn’t the war he was sold. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2020, 06:54:58 AM
The MAGA talking points on Biden are all over the place. Sleepy Joe but he’s also a Marxist revolutionary? He’s a socialist but he’s only been progressive since 2020? Get your crap together MAGA.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 06:59:06 AM
Hey dummy. It takes zero MAGA talking points to understand the Joe Biden timeline of pandering.

Good rough ridin' Grief your constant MAGA tap outs are the domain of a simpleton. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 12, 2020, 07:05:02 AM
Domain of Simpletons would be a fun board name for the Pit
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 12, 2020, 07:44:13 AM
Lol
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 08:26:20 AM
Domain of Simpletons would be a fun board name for the Pit

I'll provide the names of those that need to be engraved on the cornerstone at the dedication.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2020, 08:30:53 AM
The MAGA talking points on Biden are all over the place. Sleepy Joe but he’s also a Marxist revolutionary? He’s a socialist but he’s only been progressive since 2020? Get your crap together MAGA.


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still recovering from the cloud of confusion that surrounded Obama

who was a Marxist, Neo-Con, Dictator, Free Trade Gobalist, Communist, who was weak militarily but also a Hawk
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
The MAGA talking points on Biden are all over the place. Sleepy Joe but he’s also a Marxist revolutionary? He’s a socialist but he’s only been progressive since 2020? Get your crap together MAGA.


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still recovering from the cloud of confusion that surrounded Obama

who was a Marxist, Neo-Con, Dictator, Free Trade Gobalist, Communist, who was weak militarily but also a Hawk

I have repeatedly said the Barry lead the most mumped up foreign policy administration of the modern American presidency.

Bending over to Xi and Putin repeatedly, while bombing the beezues out of brown people.   Coddling theocratic and Central American dictators, while toppling and attempting to topple more secular dictatorial regimes.   Bowing to the Saudi's while attempting to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.   Absolutely amazing, but with complicit LibBots like you and a media that never pressed him on anything, not the least bit surprising.


Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 12, 2020, 08:40:08 AM
Yes we are very aware of your opinion of Obama. Good grief
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on August 12, 2020, 08:40:39 AM
Obama's presidency was so bad it caused me to use a bunch of words I don't understand the meanings of.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Phil Titola on August 12, 2020, 08:43:56 AM
Yes we are very aware of your opinion of Obama. Good grief

When you are used to Staning the 1980's K-State football of presidents, sometimes you have to remind people why the 1980s NU of presidents sucks

https://www.businessinsider.com/greatest-us-presidents-ranked-by-political-scientists-2018-2#8-barack-obama-37
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2020, 08:52:25 AM
The MAGA talking points on Biden are all over the place. Sleepy Joe but he’s also a Marxist revolutionary? He’s a socialist but he’s only been progressive since 2020? Get your crap together MAGA.


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still recovering from the cloud of confusion that surrounded Obama

who was a Marxist, Neo-Con, Dictator, Free Trade Gobalist, Communist, who was weak militarily but also a Hawk

I have repeatedly said the Barry lead the most mumped up foreign policy administration of the modern American presidency.

Bending over to Xi and Putin repeatedly, while bombing the beezues out of brown people.   Coddling theocratic and Central American dictators, while toppling and attempting to topple more secular dictatorial regimes.   Bowing to the Saudi's while attempting to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.   Absolutely amazing, but with complicit LibBots like you and a media that never pressed him on anything, not the least bit surprising.

Dax you literally post this same thing every day in response to any and every discussion about Trump
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
The MAGA talking points on Biden are all over the place. Sleepy Joe but he’s also a Marxist revolutionary? He’s a socialist but he’s only been progressive since 2020? Get your crap together MAGA.


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still recovering from the cloud of confusion that surrounded Obama

who was a Marxist, Neo-Con, Dictator, Free Trade Gobalist, Communist, who was weak militarily but also a Hawk

I have repeatedly said the Barry lead the most mumped up foreign policy administration of the modern American presidency.

Bending over to Xi and Putin repeatedly, while bombing the beezues out of brown people.   Coddling theocratic and Central American dictators, while toppling and attempting to topple more secular dictatorial regimes.   Bowing to the Saudi's while attempting to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.   Absolutely amazing, but with complicit LibBots like you and a media that never pressed him on anything, not the least bit surprising.

Dax you literally post this sam thing every day in response to any and every discussion about Trump

Lick, you specifically brought up Obama, but apparently don't want to discuss Obama.

It's hilarious watching people like you, and your political movement have a total meltdown over little thing, while knowing you stood back and said virtually nothing during the most mumped up foreign policy administration of the modern era.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2020, 09:09:41 AM
here again I don't have a movement

if you care to check I was and continue to be critical of our Drone policy under Obama and wish he would have pivoted away from Republican policies of attempting to "spread democracy" in the Middle East
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 09:13:29 AM
here again I don't have a movement

if you care to check I was and continue to be critical of our Drone policy under Obama and wish he would have pivoted away from Republican policies of attempting to "spread democracy" in the Middle East

LOL, that was no attempt to "spread democracy" Lick.   

Wow
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 12, 2020, 10:32:59 AM
Joe Biden is probably the most progressive presidential candidate in history, too. At least in absolute terms.
It is pretty hard to quantify, but I don’t see him getting a New Deal level of programs through. Call me crazy.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
Joe Biden is probably the most progressive presidential candidate in history, too. At least in absolute terms.
It is pretty hard to quantify, but I don’t see him getting a New Deal level of programs through. Call me crazy.

you're right, but if he did, he'd probably let minorities fully in on the action!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
Joe Biden:  A Progressive since April 2020

The unfortunate thing for Joe if he marches the US off to another war is that he won’t be able to champion the thing and then 6 months later claim it wasn’t the war he was sold.

Who has called Joe Biden a progressive?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 12, 2020, 11:25:40 AM
it is really hard to build a coherent moral framework when looking back decades ago at policy decisions, counter-factuals are useful for this I think. I consider them quite a bit. I don't see segregation of CCC work camps as some sort of crushing indictment of the New Deal, but I will let others make up their own minds.

I definitely think that the way that generational wealth was stolen through housing policies was a huge problem that we are still mired in, but it hardly seems fair to attack the New Deal over that, and I think it is almost always done in bad faith.

Rural electrification and essentially eliminating old age poverty are towering achievements! No apologies needed!

I am extremely skeptical Biden is on the verge of anything even on the scale of a relatively minor program like the creation of the FDIC which was an enormous success.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 12, 2020, 11:29:38 AM
There has been a ton of human trafficking awareness on social media over the last month.  We've all seen the memes, articles, etc.  It's looking like for those who hold human trafficking as a top issue in this election, Kamala is their horse to help with the fight.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/)

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Sen. Harris’ progressive approach did not end with marijuana prosecutions or lack thereof. She co-founded the Coalition to End the Exploitation of Kids. She then spearheaded a task force combating the human trafficking of girls. Upon her invitation, I went to the task force meetings to speak on behalf of one of my juvenile clients. My client, a beautiful teenage girl, had aspirations of joining the military. She was selling her body to earn money when her life was cut short; she was found dead in a San Francisco dumpster.

Harris and I talked about my client and the exploitation of young girls happening on a constant basis. Unlike her predecessors, she did something about it. She stopped prosecuting young girls for prostitution — acknowledging that they were victims who needed treatment for trauma and not criminals who needed to be incarcerated.

https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf (https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2020, 11:34:11 AM
it is really hard to build a coherent moral framework when looking back decades ago at policy decisions, counter-factuals are useful for this I think. I consider them quite a bit. I don't see segregation of CCC work camps as some sort of crushing indictment of the New Deal, but I will let others make up their own minds.

I definitely think that the way that generational wealth was stolen through housing policies was a huge problem that we are still mired in, but it hardly seems fair to attack the New Deal over that, and I think it is almost always done in bad faith.

Rural electrification and essentially eliminating old age poverty are towering achievements! No apologies needed!

I am extremely skeptical Biden is on the verge of anything even on the scale of a relatively minor program like the creation of the FDIC which was an enormous success.

I know, I know
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2020, 11:34:51 AM
There has been a ton of human trafficking awareness on social media over the last month.  We've all seen the memes, articles, etc.  It's looking like for those who hold human trafficking as a top issue in this election, Kamala is their horse to help with the fight.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/)

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Sen. Harris’ progressive approach did not end with marijuana prosecutions or lack thereof. She co-founded the Coalition to End the Exploitation of Kids. She then spearheaded a task force combating the human trafficking of girls. Upon her invitation, I went to the task force meetings to speak on behalf of one of my juvenile clients. My client, a beautiful teenage girl, had aspirations of joining the military. She was selling her body to earn money when her life was cut short; she was found dead in a San Francisco dumpster.

Harris and I talked about my client and the exploitation of young girls happening on a constant basis. Unlike her predecessors, she did something about it. She stopped prosecuting young girls for prostitution — acknowledging that they were victims who needed treatment for trauma and not criminals who needed to be incarcerated.

https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf (https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf)

guarantee the q folks will say that makes her the perfect person to cover it up
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
I think history has shown that FDR didn't give two shits about non whites and the new deal should be looked at through that spectrum. Any benefits derived by women and minorities from the new deal weren't intentional, other than the largely toothless fair employment act. That being said it was ambitious and progressive  and there seems to be no way that Biden and Harris are willing to stick their necks out that far. I think the 2024 equivalency would be sweeping social and criminal justice reforms that would probably also entail the relatively dismantling of the military complex as well to pay for the needed reforms.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2020, 11:42:50 AM
There has been a ton of human trafficking awareness on social media over the last month.  We've all seen the memes, articles, etc.  It's looking like for those who hold human trafficking as a top issue in this election, Kamala is their horse to help with the fight.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/)

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Sen. Harris’ progressive approach did not end with marijuana prosecutions or lack thereof. She co-founded the Coalition to End the Exploitation of Kids. She then spearheaded a task force combating the human trafficking of girls. Upon her invitation, I went to the task force meetings to speak on behalf of one of my juvenile clients. My client, a beautiful teenage girl, had aspirations of joining the military. She was selling her body to earn money when her life was cut short; she was found dead in a San Francisco dumpster.

Harris and I talked about my client and the exploitation of young girls happening on a constant basis. Unlike her predecessors, she did something about it. She stopped prosecuting young girls for prostitution — acknowledging that they were victims who needed treatment for trauma and not criminals who needed to be incarcerated.

https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf (https://sf-hrc.org//sites/default/files/Documents/Policy_Division/SFCAHT/TraffickingServiceDirectory_2010_Final_1_.pdf)

guarantee the q folks will say that makes her the perfect person to cover it up

Yes, those human trafficking people are Qs who think it's liberals who are doing the trafficking, they won't be backing Harris, the same way they don't work with agencies like the NCMEC in their quest to prevent human trafficking.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 11:51:15 AM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2020, 12:06:38 PM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 12, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.

The people you are referencing are not American citizens and have broken Federal Law.   In many cases, they are felons who have violated a multitude of Federal laws and are engaged in criminal enterprise.

Your party has repeatedly squelched any and all attempts to reform immigration, and then toss out the strawmen every time someone criticizes their insane immigration proposals. 

Your take is to essentially tell the people who have immigrated the right way to go eff themselves and laugh in their face.   In addition, the leaders of your party:  Pelosi, Biden, Schumer have done a complete 180 on immigration since 2017 all in the name of pandering and political power and nothing more.

Your hero immigrated her from Somalia, has allegedly engaged in multiple activities that would make her ineligible to even hold an elected position on the national level in the United States, and yet she still sits in a seat of power in Washington DC.







Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 12, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
If the entire trump family backs this woman, how can she be so bad?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2020, 01:23:40 PM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.

The people you are referencing are not American citizens and have broken Federal Law.   In many cases, they are felons who have violated a multitude of Federal laws and are engaged in criminal enterprise.

Your party has repeatedly squelched any and all attempts to reform immigration, and then toss out the strawmen every time someone criticizes their insane immigration proposals. 

Your take is to essentially tell the people who have immigrated the right way to go eff themselves and laugh in their face.   In addition, the leaders of your party:  Pelosi, Biden, Schumer have done a complete 180 on immigration since 2017 all in the name of pandering and political power and nothing more.

Your hero immigrated her from Somalia, has allegedly engaged in multiple activities that would make her ineligible to even hold an elected position on the national level in the United States, and yet she still sits in a seat of power in Washington DC.

The people I'm referencing would be American citizens if the process on becoming a citizen were the same as it was in the 1920's and 30's. The train of thought in closing up legal pathways to citizenship are exactly the same thoughts that led to internment camps. You yourself said "In many cases, they...are engaged in criminal enterprise." This is absolutely false, the same as thinking all Japanese Americans were spies who would share info with Japan.

Sidenote when you say things like that it's tough not to believe you when you try to claim that you're not a racist.

You can get all the way the eff outta here with that whataboutism with the democrats. I blast them every time I talk about immigration. The failures of the Clinton and Obama administrations doesn't erase the fact that cheeto amplified their bigotry and xenophobia.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 12, 2020, 01:26:20 PM
It's fascinating that dax has never said anything negative about a non-Bush republican president (bush's were mean to trump, so open season)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 12, 2020, 02:07:13 PM
Is there any pick that Biden could have made that dax wouldn't have "lol'd"?  Doug Jones, maybe?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Kat Kid on August 12, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
Is there any pick that Biden could have made that dax wouldn't have "lol'd"?  Doug Jones, maybe?

wrong Jones
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 8manpick on August 12, 2020, 02:52:52 PM
Is there any pick that Biden could have made that dax wouldn't have "lol'd"?  Doug Jones, maybe?

wrong Jones

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-14RSpbecK_U/TiDhYs284QI/AAAAAAAABAA/G262B3OuwS4/s1600/jamie+foxx+horrible+bosses+[redacted]+jones.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2020, 09:24:24 AM
Another good one by, SK. Sorry... this guy is just a huge dork!


https://twitter.com/queeninyeiiow/status/1293565696941719552?s=21


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2020, 09:50:01 AM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.

The people you are referencing are not American citizens and have broken Federal Law.   In many cases, they are felons who have violated a multitude of Federal laws and are engaged in criminal enterprise.

Your party has repeatedly squelched any and all attempts to reform immigration, and then toss out the strawmen every time someone criticizes their insane immigration proposals. 

Your take is to essentially tell the people who have immigrated the right way to go eff themselves and laugh in their face.   In addition, the leaders of your party:  Pelosi, Biden, Schumer have done a complete 180 on immigration since 2017 all in the name of pandering and political power and nothing more.

Your hero immigrated her from Somalia, has allegedly engaged in multiple activities that would make her ineligible to even hold an elected position on the national level in the United States, and yet she still sits in a seat of power in Washington DC.

The people I'm referencing would be American citizens if the process on becoming a citizen were the same as it was in the 1920's and 30's. The train of thought in closing up legal pathways to citizenship are exactly the same thoughts that led to internment camps. You yourself said "In many cases, they...are engaged in criminal enterprise." This is absolutely false, the same as thinking all Japanese Americans were spies who would share info with Japan.

Sidenote when you say things like that it's tough not to believe you when you try to claim that you're not a racist.

You can get all the way the eff outta here with that whataboutism with the democrats. I blast them every time I talk about immigration. The failures of the Clinton and Obama administrations doesn't erase the fact that cheeto amplified their bigotry and xenophobia.

I don't give a eff if you blast Democrats or not, that's utterly irrelevant.

It's not the 1920's anymore.   

You of course didn't even touch what I said about immigration reform because you can't and you won't admit that your party will fight to the death to prevent Trump or any Republican President from having a win on immigration.   While at the same time your party leadership, having done a complete 180 on immigration continues to try and float insane immigration ideas and then has a total meltdown every time their insanity is called out.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
Another good one by, SK. Sorry... this guy is just a huge dork!


https://twitter.com/queeninyeiiow/status/1293565696941719552?s=21


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 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 13, 2020, 11:17:35 PM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.

The people you are referencing are not American citizens and have broken Federal Law.   In many cases, they are felons who have violated a multitude of Federal laws and are engaged in criminal enterprise.

Your party has repeatedly squelched any and all attempts to reform immigration, and then toss out the strawmen every time someone criticizes their insane immigration proposals. 

Your take is to essentially tell the people who have immigrated the right way to go eff themselves and laugh in their face.   In addition, the leaders of your party:  Pelosi, Biden, Schumer have done a complete 180 on immigration since 2017 all in the name of pandering and political power and nothing more.

Your hero immigrated her from Somalia, has allegedly engaged in multiple activities that would make her ineligible to even hold an elected position on the national level in the United States, and yet she still sits in a seat of power in Washington DC.

The people I'm referencing would be American citizens if the process on becoming a citizen were the same as it was in the 1920's and 30's. The train of thought in closing up legal pathways to citizenship are exactly the same thoughts that led to internment camps. You yourself said "In many cases, they...are engaged in criminal enterprise." This is absolutely false, the same as thinking all Japanese Americans were spies who would share info with Japan.

Sidenote when you say things like that it's tough not to believe you when you try to claim that you're not a racist.

You can get all the way the eff outta here with that whataboutism with the democrats. I blast them every time I talk about immigration. The failures of the Clinton and Obama administrations doesn't erase the fact that cheeto amplified their bigotry and xenophobia.

I don't give a eff if you blast Democrats or not, that's utterly irrelevant.

It's not the 1920's anymore.   

You of course didn't even touch what I said about immigration reform because you can't and you won't admit that your party will fight to the death to prevent Trump or any Republican President from having a win on immigration.   While at the same time your party leadership, having done a complete 180 on immigration continues to try and float insane immigration ideas and then has a total meltdown every time their insanity is called out.

Confused old man is confused
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 13, 2020, 11:19:25 PM
Another good one by, SK. Sorry... this guy is just a huge dork!


https://twitter.com/queeninyeiiow/status/1293565696941719552?s=21


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This one is much more mockable. How in the hell are you going to praise the same person you think unjustly locked up your friend for 7 years?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2020, 07:40:51 AM
FDR will forever carry the cross of shame for the largest singular incarceration of American Citizens without cause-crime-charge in the nations history. 

Then after incarcerating them in substandard conditions,  he had the audacity to accept their enlistment in our Armed Forces to go and fight the enemy that he, by his actions, claimed that they were.

Yeah, it's too bad that Americans have allowed the cheeto to repeat history, like 10 fold.

The people you are referencing are not American citizens and have broken Federal Law.   In many cases, they are felons who have violated a multitude of Federal laws and are engaged in criminal enterprise.

Your party has repeatedly squelched any and all attempts to reform immigration, and then toss out the strawmen every time someone criticizes their insane immigration proposals. 

Your take is to essentially tell the people who have immigrated the right way to go eff themselves and laugh in their face.   In addition, the leaders of your party:  Pelosi, Biden, Schumer have done a complete 180 on immigration since 2017 all in the name of pandering and political power and nothing more.

Your hero immigrated her from Somalia, has allegedly engaged in multiple activities that would make her ineligible to even hold an elected position on the national level in the United States, and yet she still sits in a seat of power in Washington DC.

The people I'm referencing would be American citizens if the process on becoming a citizen were the same as it was in the 1920's and 30's. The train of thought in closing up legal pathways to citizenship are exactly the same thoughts that led to internment camps. You yourself said "In many cases, they...are engaged in criminal enterprise." This is absolutely false, the same as thinking all Japanese Americans were spies who would share info with Japan.

Sidenote when you say things like that it's tough not to believe you when you try to claim that you're not a racist.

You can get all the way the eff outta here with that whataboutism with the democrats. I blast them every time I talk about immigration. The failures of the Clinton and Obama administrations doesn't erase the fact that cheeto amplified their bigotry and xenophobia.

I don't give a eff if you blast Democrats or not, that's utterly irrelevant.

It's not the 1920's anymore.   

You of course didn't even touch what I said about immigration reform because you can't and you won't admit that your party will fight to the death to prevent Trump or any Republican President from having a win on immigration.   While at the same time your party leadership, having done a complete 180 on immigration continues to try and float insane immigration ideas and then has a total meltdown every time their insanity is called out.

Confused old man is confused
The usual tap out
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Probably should be cross posted.

It's going to be the worst of all worlds with President Harris.

Insane social policies and a corporate/big bank boot licker

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-wall-street-executives-are-happy-about-kamala-harris.html
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 15, 2020, 02:31:05 PM
Insane social policies and a corporate/big bank boot licker

If true, there’s appeal to me in this.  The corporate bootlicking would temper down well-intentioned but insane social policies into something practical.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
It’s going to suck absolute ass for small business. 
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/jrubinblogger/status/1294060434853638150?s=21

Mushroom clouds, the NSA and the CIA.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
https://twitter.com/M_C_Yates/status/1293300812001742855
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 15, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
Insane social policies and a corporate/big bank boot licker

If true, there’s appeal to me in this.  The corporate bootlicking would temper down well-intentioned but insane social policies into something practical.

sounds pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Trim on August 15, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
https://twitter.com/M_C_Yates/status/1293300812001742855

I need to put more money on trump pulling this off.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2020, 11:13:10 PM
Insane social policies and a corporate/big bank boot licker

If true, there’s appeal to me in this.  The corporate bootlicking would temper down well-intentioned but insane social policies into something practical.

sounds pretty fantastic.

To no one's surprise Sys Whack-A-Doo is for the massive legal departments of massive corporations.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 17, 2020, 07:04:53 PM
senator sanders, i propose we put aside our differences, join forces and drive warren into the sea.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1295473390833328129
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Katpappy on August 17, 2020, 08:14:32 PM
Welp, this changes things.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2020, 08:58:17 PM
Socialist puppet confirmed
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 17, 2020, 10:25:30 PM
Michelle is an amazing speaker.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 17, 2020, 10:46:38 PM
senator sanders, i propose we put aside our differences, join forces and drive warren into the sea.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1295473390833328129

DNC: Bernie, get your shitheads in line. We need them to beat Trump.
Bernie: yessir
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2020, 12:46:19 AM
senator sanders, i propose we put aside our differences, join forces and drive warren into the sea.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1295473390833328129

DNC: Bernie, get your shitheads in line. We need them to beat Trump.
Bernie: yessir

K Hive vs. Bernie Bots  :Yuck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 01:01:07 AM
senator sanders, i propose we put aside our differences, join forces and drive warren into the sea.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1295473390833328129

DNC: Bernie, get your shitheads in line. We need them to beat Trump.
Bernie: yessir

K Hive vs. Bernie Bots  :Yuck:

I subbed to the Way of the Bern reddit group during the primary race and there was some fringe showing thru then. Once he started losing, and especially since he dropped out, it's like 99% batshit lunatic fringe. Almost every candidate I support's base is eventually flooded by extremists.
Title: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: steve dave on August 18, 2020, 07:35:26 AM
I mean, when your supported candidate is on the fringe to begin with that is going to happen every time.


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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Phil Titola on August 18, 2020, 08:12:53 AM
Dax alert, Billy Clinton is talking tonight.  He'll get all horned up for that!
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I mean, when your supported candidate is on the fringe to begin with that is going to happen every time.


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I agree. Sanders campaign ideas seemed pretty sensible to me though. I guess the world is just full of zealots now.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 18, 2020, 09:36:16 AM
Dax alert, Billy Clinton is talking tonight.  He'll get all horned up for that!

Pfft, not even as close as how horned up ProgFascists get for this iconic (mega corrupt) family and it's patriarch, our nation's first black president.

(Sorry Obama)



Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2020, 12:30:40 PM
I mean, when your supported candidate is on the fringe to begin with that is going to happen every time.


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I wouldn't consider Harris or Sanders fringe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 18, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Sanders is fringe. He doesn't even run as a democrat when he runs for senate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Institutional Control on August 18, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
And nicname was a Tulsi Gabbard supporter before that.  She's pretty fringe.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on August 18, 2020, 01:21:11 PM
Sanders is mainstream fringe, not like fringe fringe
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
And nicname was a Tulsi Gabbard supporter before that.  She's pretty fringe.

I’m still a Gabbard supporter.

My fave pres candidates have all been closer to the margins on a fair amount of policy, except for Kasich, who I really liked for the pubs in 2016.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: kim carnes on August 18, 2020, 01:27:45 PM
Sanders is fringe. He doesn't even run as a democrat when he runs for senate.

Running as an independent doesn’t make him fringe, his policies do.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 01:38:17 PM
I guess when your main concern is candidates being pro-peace, not constantly occupying other countries, letting Americans live their lives on their own accord, and protecting the right to privacy and freedom of speech, you aren’t left with many options.

Edit: and also think identity politics are generally divisive and bad.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2020, 02:38:55 PM
I guess when your main concern is candidates being pro-peace, not constantly occupying other countries, letting Americans live their lives on their own accord, and protecting the right to privacy and freedom of speech, you aren’t left with many options.

Edit: and also think identity politics are generally divisive and bad.

You sound like Rand Paul :Yuck:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 18, 2020, 02:39:22 PM
Almost every candidate I support's base is eventually flooded by extremists.

hmmm.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: IPA4Me on August 18, 2020, 02:50:14 PM
I guess when your main concern is candidates being pro-peace, not constantly occupying other countries, letting Americans live their lives on their own accord, and protecting the right to privacy and freedom of speech, you aren’t left with many options.

Edit: and also think identity politics are generally divisive and bad.

You sound like Rand Paul :Yuck:
More like Ron Paul IMO.

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Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 04:55:25 PM
I guess when your main concern is candidates being pro-peace, not constantly occupying other countries, letting Americans live their lives on their own accord, and protecting the right to privacy and freedom of speech, you aren’t left with many options.

Edit: and also think identity politics are generally divisive and bad.

You sound like Rand Paul :Yuck:
More like Ron Paul IMO.

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I was a huge Ron Paul guy back in the day (yes, he is fringe). Never liked Rand tbh. Seems untrustworthy.

I’ve was very apathetic to all politics until 2008.

I though Obama seemed like a good guy and really liked his DNC speech. I really liked Ron Paul’s message (I’m pretty sure I’m a small l libertarian at heart but know it’s prob not realistic as a form of gov for a whole country).

I liked Kasich on the pub side in 2016, and Bernie on the dem side. And liked Tulsi and Bernie this time around.

SD is right (as we usual). other than Kasich, all my guys (abd gal) are at the margins. I know a lot of their politics are at odds with each other as well, aside from being seemingly pro peace. I do think that most of my faves are anti big business/pro small business in their own way. Tbh, I don’t know a ton about Kasich, but he seemed like a good dude in 2016.

Mostly, I just felt none of them were bullshitters at the time.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on August 18, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
i think a through line may be that you like candidates that don't like, or at least are out of step with, their party.  it probably leads to you perceiving them as not bullshitters because they deviate from the party's messaging in some significant way.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on August 18, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
i think a through line may be that you like candidates that don't like, or at least are out of step with, their party.  it probably leads to you perceiving them as not bullshitters because they deviate from the party's messaging in some significant way.

Agree. Would also add I’m generally very anti-neocon/neolib

Sorry to hijack thread guys.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 19, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national-politics/video-feed-shows-michigan-governor-making-shark-week-joke-mouthing-expletives-prior-to-dnc-speech

He should have picked Whitmer.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on August 19, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
That's great, I wish she actually said it.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
Sorry Tulsi:  You’re not a neo-con or an insane ultra left wing whack job

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-only-non-white-dem-candidate-primary-delegates-confirms-she-was-not-invited-dnc-1526776
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on September 08, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
The shoes look good, but let's not go overboard.

https://twitter.com/andizeisler/status/1303156359530082305
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 08, 2020, 07:46:12 AM
Just sitting around smoking dope and listening to snoop
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2020, 09:31:32 AM
The shoes look good, but let's not go overboard.

https://twitter.com/andizeisler/status/1303156359530082305

That's way less painful than some of the blue check centrist commentary when she was announced
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 08, 2020, 11:08:59 PM
Am I missing something here? Is she not a gen xer wearing chucks?
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 08, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Am I missing something here? Is she not a gen xer wearing chucks?

it feels like people are trying to make her "hip" and reminds me of really cringey tweets from when she was announced. It's not a big deal, I wouldn't think to hard about it
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2020, 12:04:25 AM
Am I missing something here? Is she not a gen xer wearing chucks?

it feels like people are trying to make her "hip" and reminds me of really cringey tweets from when she was announced. It's not a big deal, I wouldn't think to hard about it

  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sys on September 09, 2020, 08:37:35 PM
https://twitter.com/robynkanner/status/1303805114558418952
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: star seed 7 on September 09, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
:barf:
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Gah it's so cringey but I bet they sell a shitload of them
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2020, 03:01:39 PM
https://twitter.com/DMRegister/status/1337845930213728260
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 12, 2021, 09:12:48 AM
The shoes look good, but let's not go overboard.

https://twitter.com/andizeisler/status/1303156359530082305

Gen X cred up a notch.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErWR1o9VQAU6500?format=jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
The shoes look good, but let's not go overboard.

https://twitter.com/andizeisler/status/1303156359530082305

Gen X cred up a notch.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErWR1o9VQAU6500?format=jpg)

Libs are pissed about that cover.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on January 12, 2021, 09:47:06 AM
Libs, twitter libs, or weirdo bernie bros. I need to know who. Or is it fashion libs pissed she's wearing chucks on Vogue, or that Vague is anti woman so why would she bend to them. I could see it going a lot of ways but genuinely curious.

What a weird thing to be pissed off about regardless
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: chum1 on January 12, 2021, 09:51:24 AM
I think the publisher or owner or whoever it is has a hisory with racist content.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: ChiComCat on January 12, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
Vogue costs $8?  eff that
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 10:48:59 AM
Libs, twitter libs, or weirdo bernie bros. I need to know who. Or is it fashion libs pissed she's wearing chucks on Vogue, or that Vague is anti woman so why would she bend to them. I could see it going a lot of ways but genuinely curious.

What a weird thing to be pissed off about regardless

Twitter libs. People think the cover is too casual for someone who is the VPOTUS. Apparently, she didn't want this photo for the cover, but it isn't, it was a digital cover. People are surmising that Anna Wintour is racist and her not listing to Kamala's people is another thing indicating this. They also think that Annie Leibovitz doesn't know how to properly shoot black people, which is accurate.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 12, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
A burning building and a jailed parent of a sick child would have been a more appropriate background.

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 12, 2021, 11:48:45 AM
I think the publisher or owner or whoever it is has a history with racist content.

Interesting. Harris should fit right in.
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: MakeItRain on January 12, 2021, 08:59:04 PM
I think the publisher or owner or whoever it is has a history with racist content.

Interesting. Harris should fit right in.

wut
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: nicname on January 12, 2021, 10:46:23 PM
I think the publisher or owner or whoever it is has a history with racist content.

Interesting. Harris should fit right in.

wut

Harris has a long history of support for, and enforcement and prosecution of, rules and regulations that disproportionately negatively impact black people (or POC if you choose).

Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2021, 07:48:56 AM
I think the publisher or owner or whoever it is has a history with racist content.

Interesting. Harris should fit right in.

wut

Harris has a long history of support for, and enforcement and prosecution of, rules and regulations that disproportionately negatively impact black people (or POC if you choose).
Agreed.  As has been pointed out already.  Hardcore prosecutor who tended toward over-the-top prosecution and sentencing pursuit of minorities.   The champion of the draconian ‘94 crime Bill and a guy who always sides with the cops as:  Veep/Pres, TempPres and AG respectively.   

Not to mention the fact that VPres/Pres Harris stood up in front of the world and accused TempPres of being a sexual predator.  Didn’t take her long to 1000% sell out on her ideals. 

SMDH
Title: Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
Post by: cfbandyman on January 13, 2021, 08:35:51 AM
Libs, twitter libs, or weirdo bernie bros. I need to know who. Or is it fashion libs pissed she's wearing chucks on Vogue, or that Vague is anti woman so why would she bend to them. I could see it going a lot of ways but genuinely curious.

What a weird thing to be pissed off about regardless

Twitter libs. People think the cover is too casual for someone who is the VPOTUS. Apparently, she didn't want this photo for the cover, but it isn't, it was a digital cover. People are surmising that Anna Wintour is racist and her not listing to Kamala's people is another thing indicating this. They also think that Annie Leibovitz doesn't know how to properly shoot black people, which is accurate.

I had to look these people up, which tells me this thing is way too down the rabbit hole and a lot of mostly fake outrage, which probably bad on me, didn't know Annie Liebovitz was so bad at photographing black people but there you have it. Moving on.