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Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2015, 09:22:44 AM
ITT we post stories of sensible Muslims doing sensible Muslim things in the name of Islam.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html)

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Paris is on high terrorism alert after shootings Wednesday at the offices of French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo left at least 12 dead.
 
At least 12 people were killed in what French President Francois Hollande called “an act of exceptional barbarity” against the press. Four more people are in critical condition and an additional 20 were injured, police said.
 
“France is in a state of shock after this terrorist attack,” Hollande said, according to Bloomberg. “An act of exceptional barbarity has been perpetrated against a newspaper, against liberty of expression, against journalists.”
 
The shooters are on the run, Hollande said, adding that several possible terrorist attacks have been foiled in recent weeks.

Most of those shot were part of the magazine’s newsroom, Matthieu Lamarre, a spokesman for the Paris mayor’s office, said.
 
Two hooded attackers entered into the offices and started shooting at random before several journalists fled to the roof, according to witnesses cited by Europe 1 radio, Agence France-Press and I-tele television
 
The cover of Charlie Hebdo this week is on “Submission,” a book by Michel Houellebecq released Wednesday, which depicts France in 2022, led by the imaginary “Muslim Fraternity” party and a Muslim president who bans women from the workplace and advocates for polygamy, among other things.
 
Charlie Hebdo’s offices were also attacked by firebomb in November 2011 after a special edition was published with the Prophet Mohammed as a guest editor — though no one was injured.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2015, 11:43:51 AM
This thread title confuses me.

#TheWesIsTheFuture

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
https://www.mcabayarea.org/youth/youth-groups
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 12:12:42 PM
https://www.mcabayarea.org/youth/youth-groups

Take it to the san francisco things thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on January 07, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
false flag

how often to islamic extremist terrorists not stick it out and fight to the death?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2015, 12:21:55 PM
false flag

how often to islamic extremist terrorists not stick it out and fight to the death?

If you are still alive there won't be any virgins.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 12:22:28 PM
false flag

how often to islamic extremist terrorists not stick it out and fight to the death?

They're French terrorists now.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
How does KSUW know they are muslims?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 12:41:52 PM
How does KSUW know they are muslims?

I think it was the screams of Allah Akbar (sp?) as they were shooting, but I suppose anyone could do that.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
https://ricochet.com/terrorist-attack-charlie-hebdo-killers-still-large/ (https://ricochet.com/terrorist-attack-charlie-hebdo-killers-still-large/)

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“This is the kind of thing you expect in Pakistan. And now it’s coming here.”
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
http://kut.org/post/muslim-groups-adopt-highway-sign-vandalized
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
http://kut.org/post/muslim-groups-adopt-highway-sign-vandalized

They need to do some weeding and mowing on their 2 miles, but they look like good people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 01:43:43 PM
http://kut.org/post/muslim-groups-adopt-highway-sign-vandalized

They need to do some weeding and mowing on their 2 miles, but they look like good people.

When you adopt a highway, you just pick up trash. You don't mow the ditch. That is the "Christian" community's job.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
http://kut.org/post/muslim-groups-adopt-highway-sign-vandalized

They need to do some weeding and mowing on their 2 miles, but they look like good people.

When you adopt a highway, you just pick up trash. You don't mow the ditch. That is the "Christian" community's job.

Kramer would disagree.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on January 07, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
listen pretty much gives us the license to drone strike anywhere in france at will now, right?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2015, 02:00:22 PM
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2014/06/04/world-bank-group-president-lebanon-jordan-syrian-refugees-global-community (http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2014/06/04/world-bank-group-president-lebanon-jordan-syrian-refugees-global-community)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
How does KSUW know they are muslims?

I think it was the screams of Allah Akbar (sp?) as they were shooting, but I suppose anyone could do that.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html)

I could do that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 02:28:04 PM
listen pretty much gives us the license to drone strike anywhere in france at will now, right?

Yes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 07, 2015, 02:31:36 PM
ITT we post stories of sensible Muslims doing sensible Muslim things in the name of Islam.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html)

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Paris is on high terrorism alert after shootings Wednesday at the offices of French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo left at least 12 dead.
 
At least 12 people were killed in what French President Francois Hollande called “an act of exceptional barbarity” against the press. Four more people are in critical condition and an additional 20 were injured, police said.
 
“France is in a state of shock after this terrorist attack,” Hollande said, according to Bloomberg. “An act of exceptional barbarity has been perpetrated against a newspaper, against liberty of expression, against journalists.”
 
The shooters are on the run, Hollande said, adding that several possible terrorist attacks have been foiled in recent weeks.

Most of those shot were part of the magazine’s newsroom, Matthieu Lamarre, a spokesman for the Paris mayor’s office, said.
 
Two hooded attackers entered into the offices and started shooting at random before several journalists fled to the roof, according to witnesses cited by Europe 1 radio, Agence France-Press and I-tele television
 
The cover of Charlie Hebdo this week is on “Submission,” a book by Michel Houellebecq released Wednesday, which depicts France in 2022, led by the imaginary “Muslim Fraternity” party and a Muslim president who bans women from the workplace and advocates for polygamy, among other things.
 
Charlie Hebdo’s offices were also attacked by firebomb in November 2011 after a special edition was published with the Prophet Mohammed as a guest editor — though no one was injured.

Don't throw stones bro.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2015, 02:46:11 PM
Move this to my "another muslim..." thread
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on January 07, 2015, 03:02:05 PM
How come these "satirical cartoons" and satirical magazines in Europe are never funny? I mean, they don't deserve to die for it, but you'd think professional humorists would be funnier.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 07, 2015, 03:05:04 PM
Humor must have cultural differences, or they were just childishly mocking
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on January 07, 2015, 03:20:39 PM
I enjoy British humor :dunno:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
Link to the offending cartoon?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2015, 03:49:22 PM
Link to the offending cartoon?

Shhh, you want to get us all killed?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
This is the one that originally caused the bombing:

(http://i.imgur.com/3PsQTyn.jpg)

"100 lashes if you are not dying of laughter"
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 07, 2015, 03:53:35 PM
Link to the offending cartoon?

(https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0XZ8sD-BElgnSZ3o5eFNRcAtkWjx9kYeDsP8FXzFrxqMujR_iPsTyLqi09aayzbOb9unuac6jgCupjHERy7f7gBgicM-=s0-d-e1-ft#https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6whniDCYAEj20_.png)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
Great, now =MODS?= is getting killed
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on January 07, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
This is the one that originally caused the bombing:

(http://i.imgur.com/3PsQTyn.jpg)

"100 lashes if you are not dying of laughter"

"if you are not dead from laughing"
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
There is always some nuts willing to do evil in the name of religion to harm others.  What we are missing is the ramification of the EU lax and pouros immigration policy.  Obama wants to throw the doors open and let even crazies enter the US.  We should close our borders to extremists.  If ISIS turds want to get here, let them swim.  Talk about a bunch of thin skinned morons.  I hope they rot in hell with a harem of old fat ugly women that beat them with thorn branches if they make a horn dog move towards them.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2015, 08:25:17 PM
To be fair, I'll take uncontrolled immigration of impoverished catholic latinos over uncontrolled immigration of impoverished muslims. Both are not a good thing, but I'll take drugs over terrorism.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 07, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
Woah
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2015, 08:42:47 PM
Nothing new here 'meister
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2015, 10:31:08 PM
How come these "satirical cartoons" and satirical magazines in Europe are never funny? I mean, they don't deserve to die for it, but you'd think professional humorists would be funnier.

It's rough ridin' europe, what do you expect. Everyone is poor and they have like 4 tv channels.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2015, 10:36:14 PM
Also, France is like the most racist place on the planet. They pass racist laws and crap.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: OK_Cat on January 07, 2015, 10:42:06 PM
Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 10:56:05 PM
Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: OK_Cat on January 07, 2015, 10:59:02 PM

Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.

More Christians murder people in the USA every year than Muslims.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
OKCat is bringing the type of incoherent zeal that makes the pit such a special place. You go girl!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2015, 11:17:34 PM

Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.

More Christians murder people in the USA every year than Muslims.

I bet more Americans murder people in the USA every year than non-Americans.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 08, 2015, 01:06:46 AM
Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.

Still had beef with our government and country.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: OK_Cat on January 08, 2015, 06:25:39 AM

OKCat is bringing the type of incoherent zeal that makes the pit such a special place. You go girl!

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll let you get back to your hate of all things brown.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2015, 08:51:13 AM

OKCat is bringing the type of incoherent zeal that makes the pit such a special place. You go girl!

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll let you get back to your hate of all things brown.

 :love:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 08, 2015, 09:09:10 AM
Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.

Still had beef with our government and country.

As most people do in one way or another.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
do you really believe what you wrote in the thread title, KSUW?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 11:29:27 AM
do you really believe what you wrote in the thread title, KSUW?

/sarcasm/

(Atheist) Richard Dawkins says it best in a tweet yesterday...

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No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn’t.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2015, 11:33:48 AM
yeah i mean, i just don't know if you can compare kings and popes and authorities of that nature who represent "the religion" carrying out genocides and crusades and burnings at the stakes and all sorts of things like that centuries ago, to radical crazy people who don't represent "the religion" just performing acts of terrorism
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 11:37:00 AM
America is great because we'll bomb innocent folks without bringing religion into it. All we need is some good ole' fashioned patriotism. #SimplyTheBest
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2015, 11:56:12 AM
Do you guys think Europe is closer to interning and genociding Muslims or ignoring this? Hitler was only 75ish years ago and the Jews weren't provoking people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 08, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
Tim McVeigh says 'what's up, normal white Christians!?!'

Nothing to do with religion.

Still had beef with our government and country.

As most people do in one way or anoth er.

Thats why its more grievance based than religious/muslim based.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 08, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ChiCat on January 08, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

Because you can be more specific than muslims and avoid blaming a whole group of innocent people.  The KKK believes themselves to be a Christian organization.  If they commit hate crimes against people, we don't say Christians are running around committing hate crimes.  Are people who commit mass shootings gunowners?  Usually, but the more telling bit might be that they are mentally ill.  All of these people are certainly Christian, Muslim, or Gunowners but characterize them that way stereotypes a much broader group of innocent people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Unruly on January 08, 2015, 12:29:24 PM
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10920921_10152681649426275_8564941161343540590_n.jpg?oh=1f50e20eac20428e43565f9340242adb&oe=5521A656)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 12:34:14 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.

It isn't a huge problem.

Perpetrators of crimes in the name of religion should be treated just like people who commit crimes without considering religion.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 08, 2015, 12:42:47 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

Because you can be more specific than muslims and avoid blaming a whole group of innocent people.  The KKK believes themselves to be a Christian organization.  If they commit hate crimes against people, we don't say Christians are running around committing hate crimes.  Are people who commit mass shootings gunowners?  Usually, but the more telling bit might be that they are mentally ill.  All of these people are certainly Christian, Muslim, or Gunowners but characterize them that way stereotypes a much broader group of innocent people.
I agree with you, but there are some pretty shocking statistics that make me wonder about the support for these types of things among the muslim population.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/

Now I'm certainly not saying that the Paris perps are representative of all muslims, but I sincerely doubt theirs is as minority a view as the KKK's relative to each's religion as a whole.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 08, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.

It isn't a huge problem.

Perpetrators of crimes in the name of religion should be treated just like people who commit crimes without considering religion.
Huge is a matter of perception, I guess. It seems huge to me. 

Are criminals motivated by religion treated differently? I didn't know they were.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.

It isn't a huge problem.

Perpetrators of crimes in the name of religion should be treated just like people who commit crimes without considering religion.
Huge is a matter of perception, I guess. It seems huge to me. 

Are criminals motivated by religion treated differently? I didn't know they were.

Maybe I don't understand what you and FSD are trying to say. Other than religion and the fact that way fewer people died, what makes this different from the OKC bombing? Are we treating this differently? How/why should we react differently?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 08, 2015, 01:17:14 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.

It isn't a huge problem.

Perpetrators of crimes in the name of religion should be treated just like people who commit crimes without considering religion.
Huge is a matter of perception, I guess. It seems huge to me. 

Are criminals motivated by religion treated differently? I didn't know they were.

Maybe I don't understand what you and FSD are trying to say. Other than religion and the fact that way fewer people died, what makes this different from the OKC bombing? Are we treating this differently? How/why should we react differently?

The difference to me is that OKC was a couple of anti-government nut jobs. They weren't a part of a larger network committing similar atrocities.  When McVeigh and Nichols were arrested, problem solved.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Yeah, the multi billion dollar, multi million person group called Islamic State, which is currently waging war across the middle east, claiming territory in its name and orchestrating terrorist attacks across the globe is clearly is NOT a problem, and is basically the SAME as two guys in a truck and the KKK.

The idiocy is simply stunning.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 08, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
I don't see terrorism as a problem that should be getting the amount of attention that it does. We could save a lot more lives with a lot less money invested in infrastructure.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 08, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
I don't know if this counts because it's Nigeria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30728158
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
Why is the left so obsessed with attempting to minimize the fact that these horrific acts are undertaken by muslim groups?

It's a huge rough ridin' problem that is well funded (both in dollars and people) and globally institutionalized.  Conflating it with the okc bombing or rando murders motivated by God knows what (likely drugs) is pathetic and idiotic.

I agree with FSD on this.

It isn't a huge problem.

Perpetrators of crimes in the name of religion should be treated just like people who commit crimes without considering religion.
Huge is a matter of perception, I guess. It seems huge to me. 

Are criminals motivated by religion treated differently? I didn't know they were.

Maybe I don't understand what you and FSD are trying to say. Other than religion and the fact that way fewer people died, what makes this different from the OKC bombing? Are we treating this differently? How/why should we react differently?

The difference to me is that OKC was a couple of anti-government nut jobs. They weren't a part of a larger network committing similar atrocities.  When McVeigh and Nichols were arrested, problem solved.

that makes sense.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 08, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
I don't see terrorism as a problem that should be getting the amount of attention that it does. We could save a lot more lives with a lot less money invested in infrastructure.

If the infrastructure includes a bunch of autonomous machines roaming the country that will eliminate radical islamist terrorists in the good ol' USofA, I'm all in.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 02:25:31 PM
This thread threatened to turn full on libtard there for a moment, but several voices of reason have intervened. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ChiCat on January 08, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
STRAWMAN

I can summarize your posts too, only much more accurately.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 02:43:41 PM
Yeah, I can totally see Christians doing this in the name of Christianity - 3 or 4 centuries ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ChiCat on January 08, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Yeah, I can totally see Christians doing this in the name of Christianity - 3 or 4 centuries ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1)

I'm not sure who you are arguing with, OK Cat maybe?  I mean you can argue with him if you want, but you would be the only one taking him that seriously
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2015, 02:50:40 PM
Yeah, I can totally see Christians doing this in the name of Christianity - 3 or 4 centuries ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1)

so what should be done, differently from what is being done right now?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 08, 2015, 03:00:50 PM
Christopher Hitchens on Islam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7TaDQ5Yo0)

one of a million great hitchens videos on the subject of religious violence
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 03:13:40 PM
Yeah, I can totally see Christians doing this in the name of Christianity - 3 or 4 centuries ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=1)

so what should be done, differently from what is being done right now?

I don't know the answer to that. I guess stop denying the problem exists, for starters. I'm not saying that's happening here, except for a few dumbasses, but the so much of the media seems to bend over backwards to "not rush to judgment" when it so obvious what happened. CNN had a video of these monsters shouting Allahu Ahkbar but they were cautioning people that they didn't yet know the cause.

We have to continue fighting the intelligence/military/police counter-offensive. Withholding all aid from state sponsors and enablers of terrorism would also help.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
No one denies a problem exists
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 03:27:16 PM
No one denies a problem exists

Depends upon what you mean by "problem." There are plenty of libtards who will tell you that muslim extremism is no worse than christian extremism, or that these people aren't really Muslims so ___ attack had nothing to do with Islam, etc. The simple truth is that Islam and Muslims have a particular problem with fostering violent extremists.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
Link?

Sorry, I edited my response to be more specific. That may answer your question.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on January 08, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
Don't left the leftists fool you. They don't really give a crap about the plight of the average non-violent Muslim or the condemnation of the whole of Islam by those who openly oppose the religion. All they really give a crap about is fooling others into believing they do so they can claim the moral high ground and pat themselves on the back. It's really the same thing the religious right does when they talk about the lack of morals and values of the non-religious...Two peas in a hypocritical pod.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 04:37:49 PM
No one denies a problem exists

Depends upon what you mean by "problem." There are plenty of libtards who will tell you that muslim extremism is no worse than christian extremism, or that these people aren't really Muslims so ___ attack had nothing to do with Islam, etc. The simple truth is that Islam and Muslims have a particular problem with fostering violent extremists.

You're still in strawman territory, but that's a little more reasonable than your "stop denying this is a problem" post. Even if people did say "this isn't an Islam problem" as you suggest, how does it make the problem worse than saying Islams are particularly violent as you're suggesting? Personally, I don't see Islam extremism as a problem with American Muslims. Seems to be more of a regional problem.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2015, 04:47:47 PM
Personally, I don't see Islam extremism as a problem with American Muslims. Seems to be more of a regional problem.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2015, 04:58:55 PM
STRAWMAN

I can summarize your posts too, only much more accurately.

This is amusing considering the KKK quip. You probably just don't know what strawman means tho
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ChiCat on January 08, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
STRAWMAN

I can summarize your posts too, only much more accurately.

This is amusing considering the KKK quip. You probably just don't know what strawman means tho

My post had nothing to do with whose actions are worse, which is the strawman you were hoisting up.  My post had everything to do with condemning a large group of people due to the actions of an extremist sect
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 08, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
One of the most annoying things about the left is the excuses they make for radical islamists (?) and underplaying how many muslims support or at least tolerate barbaric and terroristic acts.

Rusty makes an interesting point that it's a regional issue, but when that region contains like 3/4 of the muslim population (maybe more :dunno:), then it becomes more cultural, imo
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 05:28:44 PM



Rusty makes an interesting point that it's a regional issue, but when that region contains like 3/4 of the muslim population (maybe more :dunno:), then it becomes more cultural, imo

Well, I was partly referring to Europe where Muslim are treated more like second-class citizens than they are here.

Also, http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/Muslim-Americans-No-Justification-Violence.aspx

:dunno:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 08, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
American Muslims would likely be shunned or killed by actual muslims.

Totally agree that this is not a big issue inside the us.

Lots of people are quick to villainize christians because they are against gay marriage, but offer excuses for state sanctioned executions of homosexuals, stonings, beheadings, etc that are common place in the muslim world and rationalized by the muslim faith.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 08, 2015, 06:03:46 PM
i definitely agree with the rusty's regional comment.  i also think that a good portion of it has less to do with islam itself, and more to do with geopolitical factors (most notably, Israel).

that's not to say that some portion of it can't be attributed to religious extremism in and of itself.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
Lots of people are quick to villainize christians because they are against gay marriage, but offer excuses for state sanctioned executions of homosexuals, stonings, beheadings, etc that are common place in the muslim world and rationalized by the muslim faith.

Again, no one excuses those things, FSD.

also, none of the things you mentioned are common

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Usage_today
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 08, 2015, 06:16:49 PM
i guess we differ in the meaning of common or you didn't actually read the wiki links you provided
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 08, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
Be-headings are a daily occurrence with ISIS.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 08, 2015, 06:30:30 PM
i definitely agree with the rusty's regional comment.  i also think that a good portion of it has less to do with islam itself, and more to do with geopolitical factors (most notably, Israel).

that's not to say that some portion of it can't be attributed to religious extremism in and of itself.

Quote
A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support among the Muslim population for stoning as a punishment for adultery in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor).

is that religious extremism or just the religion itself?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 06:52:05 PM
i guess we differ in the meaning of common or you didn't actually read the wiki links you provided

Beheading is only legal in Saudi Arabia.
Stoning is hardly legal anywhere and rarely applied outside of random areas in charge of warlords http://www.trust.org/item/20130927165059-w9g0i/
didn't find any good data on executions for homosexuality but it's rare.

And again, none of that is excusable.

Oddly enough, Saudi Arabia seems like it has the harshest laws, and it's the country we seem to be best buds with.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
i definitely agree with the rusty's regional comment.  i also think that a good portion of it has less to do with islam itself, and more to do with geopolitical factors (most notably, Israel).

that's not to say that some portion of it can't be attributed to religious extremism in and of itself.

Quote
A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support among the Muslim population for stoning as a punishment for adultery in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor).

is that religious extremism or just the religion itself?

That's pretty misleading. Those numbers are percentages of "Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land"

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sharia law opinion seems to be very regionalized. like, zero European Muslims think stoning should be legal, while a pretty high number from Afghanistan and Pakistan do.

(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-chp1-8.png)

[img]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-chp1-3.png[img]
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 08, 2015, 07:45:57 PM
i definitely agree with the rusty's regional comment.  i also think that a good portion of it has less to do with islam itself, and more to do with geopolitical factors (most notably, Israel).

that's not to say that some portion of it can't be attributed to religious extremism in and of itself.

Quote
A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support among the Muslim population for stoning as a punishment for adultery in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor).

is that religious extremism or just the religion itself?
I should've clarified -- i was strictly talking about terror attacks, not domestic policy.  But point taken.

And to Rusty's point, that's still a ton of people:

(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-chp1-3.png)

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 09:27:09 PM
I suppose it's a "regional" problem in that a lot more muslims live in other regions of the world, but there are plenty of crazy muslims doing crazy muslim things in the name of muslimism right here in the ol' USA. Boston Marathon, Oklahoma beheading, Ft. Hood, that dude that drove a car into a crown of people in the name of Allah, etc.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
I suppose it's a "regional" problem in that a lot more muslims live in other regions of the world, but there are plenty of crazy muslims doing crazy muslim things in the name of muslimism right here in the ol' USA. Boston Marathon, Oklahoma beheading, Ft. Hood, that dude that drove a car into a crown of people in the name of Allah, etc.

Yeah, those are random crazy dudes, not a network of well funded terrorists supported by American Muslims.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2015, 09:56:34 PM
I suppose it's a "regional" problem in that a lot more muslims live in other regions of the world, but there are plenty of crazy muslims doing crazy muslim things in the name of muslimism right here in the ol' USA. Boston Marathon, Oklahoma beheading, Ft. Hood, that dude that drove a car into a crown of people in the name of Allah, etc.

Yeah, those are random crazy dudes, not a network of well funded terrorists supported by American Muslims.

Oh ok - so you're in the "they're just crazy it has nothing to do with Islam" camp. Gotcha. Should we include the 9/11 perpetrators who lived and trained here?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 09:58:43 PM
I suppose it's a "regional" problem in that a lot more muslims live in other regions of the world, but there are plenty of crazy muslims doing crazy muslim things in the name of muslimism right here in the ol' USA. Boston Marathon, Oklahoma beheading, Ft. Hood, that dude that drove a car into a crown of people in the name of Allah, etc.

Yeah, those are random crazy dudes, not a network of well funded terrorists supported by American Muslims.

Oh ok - so you're in the "they're just crazy it has nothing to do with Islam" camp. Gotcha.

Yes, I feel the same way about Christian abortion clinic bombers, even though they're probably more organized than the first group of loons you mentioned.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 08, 2015, 10:07:38 PM
Hey Obama Almighty says they are extremist doing extreme things.  They are devil possessed terrorist islamic nuts.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 08, 2015, 10:33:39 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 08, 2015, 10:40:28 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.
Agreed, but a lot of the jihadist rhetoric is like fire to fuel, imo.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 08, 2015, 11:00:45 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.
Agreed, but a lot of the jihadist rhetoric is like fire to fuel, imo.

I agree with that too, but not to the extent  of my opinion.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 09, 2015, 08:16:13 AM
I don't think I have ever seen anyone, left wing or otherwise, excuse the theocracies of the Middle East. I do think it's a little bit ridiculous to group people who immigrated here to get away from those people with them. I'm also curious what the people who think Islam is a problem want to see done. Should we round them all up and put them in camps like we did with Japanese people during WW2? Just send them all back to the Middle East? What is your solution?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 08:23:39 AM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.

I feel that this is a post hoc rationalization that ignore centuries of worth of history, and either disingenuous rhetoric or simple ignorance.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 08:27:18 AM
I don't think I have ever seen anyone, left wing or otherwise, excuse the theocracies of the Middle East. I do think it's a little bit ridiculous to group people who immigrated here to get away from those people with them. I'm also curious what the people who think Islam is a problem want to see done. Should we round them all up and put them in camps like we did with Japanese people during WW2? Just send them all back to the Middle East? What is your solution?

You and ChiCat need to cool it with the strawmen. Not productive.

We do have a democrat in office, so internment camps are a real possibility, I suppose. But that's neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on January 09, 2015, 08:29:09 AM
The enemy of extremism is integration. These are more than anything, attacks on integration, and they are working perfectly (see above). The best thing for radical islamic groups is for all muslims to be shunned and alienated wherever they choose to live. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 09, 2015, 08:30:10 AM
I don't think I have ever seen anyone, left wing or otherwise, excuse the theocracies of the Middle East. I do think it's a little bit ridiculous to group people who immigrated here to get away from those people with them. I'm also curious what the people who think Islam is a problem want to see done. Should we round them all up and put them in camps like we did with Japanese people during WW2? Just send them all back to the Middle East? What is your solution?

You and ChiCat need to cool it with the strawmen. Not productive.

We do have a democrat in office, so internment camps are a real possibility, I suppose. But that's neither here nor there.

It's not a strawman. It was a question about what should be done with all of the muslims. Because if you don't want to do anything with them, then they hardly seem worth worrying about.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 09, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
The enemy of extremism is integration. These are more than anything, attacks on integration, and they are working perfectly (see above). The best thing for radical islamic groups is for all muslims to be shunned and alienated wherever they choose to live.

I agree with you that integration is a really good way to reduce extremism. And I would also agree that an opposition to integration motivates extremism - put another way as opposition to adopting western culture.

Uncontrolled immigration is the primary reason for failure to assimilate, and many European countries now have a much bigger problem on their hands than we do. It's gotten really, really bad, and given Europe's history of ethnic atrocities, this does not bode well.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 09:40:57 AM
We can always count on the progressive Europeans for a good go round of ethnic cleansing and extermination. It's in their culture and blood.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 09, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
Frenchie GIGN just resolved the crap out of this situation.  Simultaneous operations took out multiple terrorists in 2 spots.  Some hostages freed.  Unsure on causalities.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 09, 2015, 11:45:11 AM
Amnesty International saying that boko haram killed as many as 2000 in the town of Baga.

There needs to be a terrorism thread with a non-ridiculous title.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on January 09, 2015, 01:30:18 PM
Amnesty International saying that boko haram killed as many as 2000 in the town of Baga.

There needs to be a terrorism thread with a non-ridiculous title.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423)

global outrage and global mainstream media are both very racist. nobody cares about africa. sad.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 09, 2015, 01:58:45 PM
Amnesty International saying that boko haram killed as many as 2000 in the town of Baga.

There needs to be a terrorism thread with a non-ridiculous title.

I will entertain suggested revisions, but no guarantees.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 02:08:10 PM
Amnesty International saying that boko haram killed as many as 2000 in the town of Baga.

There needs to be a terrorism thread with a non-ridiculous title.

I will entertain suggested revisions, but no guarantees.

Put t in the "another muslim " thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 09, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
"another salifi jihadist(whose number and influence is subject for debate) did something shitty"
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 09, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.

I feel that this is a post hoc rationalization that ignore centuries of worth of history, and either disingenuous rhetoric or simple ignorance.

-post WW1 lines
-the Shah
- Mubarek
- creation of Israel
- upholding the Saudi Royal family
- a decade plus American occupation in two middle Easteren regions

Yeah no Westeren meddling of affairs there.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 09, 2015, 02:56:55 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.

I feel that this is a post hoc rationalization that ignore centuries of worth of history, and either disingenuous rhetoric or simple ignorance.

-post WW1 lines
-the Shah
- Mubarek
- creation of Israel
- upholding the Saudi Royal family
- a decade plus American occupation in two middle Easteren regions

Yeah no Westeren meddling of affairs there.   :rolleyes:
please don't ask Fake to draw connections between events which he sees as totally unrelated.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 09, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Pictures from the raid today. Terrible. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903380/Another-gunman-takes-hostage-kosher-grocery-Paris-police-fear-gunman-shot-dead-policewoman-yesterday.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903380/Another-gunman-takes-hostage-kosher-grocery-Paris-police-fear-gunman-shot-dead-policewoman-yesterday.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 06:08:41 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.

I feel that this is a post hoc rationalization that ignore centuries of worth of history, and either disingenuous rhetoric or simple ignorance.

-post WW1 lines
-the Shah
- Mubarek
- creation of Israel
- upholding the Saudi Royal family
- a decade plus American occupation in two middle Easteren regions

Yeah no Westeren meddling of affairs there.   :rolleyes:
please don't ask Fake to draw connections between events which he sees as totally unrelated.

What you two idiots are too dense, indoctrinated and propogated to realize is that:
- history began more than 100 years ago (hence "centuries")
- the rape, torture, murder, enslavement and other forms of violence these groups inflict upon people is overwhelming inflicted upon other muslims, belying the very premise you rely upon
- your perverse self deprecating position is nothing more than an excuse to justify and/or rationalize the atrocious behavior of these radicals
- these groups have outlawed the practice of religion, other than their own form of it, from the regions they control

If the usa has any fault in this matter, its our pathetic president who shares your view and is so weak and ineffective as a leader that he's actually emboldened these people to pursue their raping, maming and murdering rampage.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 09, 2015, 06:33:02 PM
Amazing
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 09, 2015, 07:18:36 PM
I feel that the reasons these attacks occur are more because of a Western/U.S. meddling of affairs in the Middle East and the near century long support of brutal dictators in the region.

I feel that this is a post hoc rationalization that ignore centuries of worth of history, and either disingenuous rhetoric or simple ignorance.

-post WW1 lines
-the Shah
- Mubarek
- creation of Israel
- upholding the Saudi Royal family
- a decade plus American occupation in two middle Easteren regions

Yeah no Westeren meddling of affairs there.   :rolleyes:
please don't ask Fake to draw connections between events which he sees as totally unrelated.

What you two idiots are too dense, indoctrinated and propogated to realize is that:
- history began more than 100 years ago (hence "centuries")
- the rape, torture, murder, enslavement and other forms of violence these groups inflict upon people is overwhelming inflicted upon other muslims, belying the very premise you rely upon
- your perverse self deprecating position is nothing more than an excuse to justify and/or rationalize the atrocious behavior of these radicals
- these groups have outlawed the practice of religion, other than their own form of it, from the regions they control

If the usa has any fault in this matter, its our pathetic president who shares your view and is so weak and ineffective as a leader that he's actually emboldened these people to pursue their raping, maming and murdering rampage.

Apparently history with you only begins with Obama. 

Now if you weren't so sure of yourself you would realize that the atrocities muslims commit against other muslims and against the west  is a byproduct of the lack of cultural and social development that has been hindered by western influence in the region. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
You live in a fantasy.

Western influence has curtailed social and cultural development of the extremist muslims? Are you rough ridin' crazy?

You seriously haven't noticed how much more powerful these groups have become over the last 6 years??
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 09, 2015, 07:43:45 PM
Our history of upholding brutal dictators who have suppressed any type of progress amongst the common muslim citizen has spawned extremism towards the west and towards each other in a battle for power. 

The average muslim citizen is broke, underemployed, and they live under the sword of Islam that we so happily have supported because of our selfish oil interests.   

I'm sorry that you don't know it all FSD.  None of us do.   I figured that what I'm speaking was common knowledge amongst college educated individuals.   
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 09, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
I want to hear a FSD version of recent history
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 08:03:18 PM
And we've come full circle. Where history begins less than 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 09, 2015, 08:14:12 PM

And we've come full circle. Where history begins less than 100 years ago.
I just want to hear more about China being Russia's right hand.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 08:21:59 PM

School is out bubbles, two stay at home days for you, child.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 09, 2015, 09:39:29 PM

And we've come full circle. Where history begins less than 100 years ago.
I just want to hear more about China being Russia's right hand.
lol he didn't say that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 09, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Imagine what FSD will do when he find out ISIS allows other religions, just with a tax.  Will he go anti-tax, anti-Obama, anti-anti-Christian? so many options.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
Imagine what FSD will do when he find out ISIS allows other religions, just with a tax.  Will he go anti-tax, anti-Obama, anti-anti-Christian? so many options.

This is one of your more bizarre fantasies.

Plus, that is just unsolicited support for my earlier post.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 11:31:02 PM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 09, 2015, 11:37:14 PM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2015, 11:41:28 PM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?

Christians who grew up as impoverished serfs to their muslim landlords.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 10, 2015, 01:48:22 AM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?

Christians who grew up as impoverished serfs to their muslim landlords.
ha.  are you saying muslims started WWI, FSD?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 07:25:13 AM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?

Christians who grew up as impoverished serfs to their muslim landlords.
ha.  are you saying muslims started WWI, FSD?

No. My point all along is that muslim extremists have been senselessly slaughtering people long before ww1, the usa's need for ME oil or before the USA existed, even during times when it was "influencing" force on a regional and world scale,  so the notion that the current slaughtering is motivated primarily by Western influence is naive and negates hundreds,  even thousands of years of history. I'm sure people have been educated to believe the west is responsible for the current atrocities, much like a Parrott can be educated to ask for a cracker.

As for africa, western imperialism has had a much more pronounced and detrimental effect attributable to current violence in certain parts of "black africa". It's probably overstated, buts it's much more tangible.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 10, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?

Christians who grew up as impoverished serfs to their muslim landlords.
ha.  are you saying muslims started WWI, FSD?

No. My point all along is that muslim extremists have been senselessly slaughtering people long before ww1, the usa's need for ME oil or before the USA existed, even during times when it was "influencing" force on a regional and world scale,  so the notion that the current slaughtering is motivated primarily by Western influence is naive and negates hundreds,  even thousands of years of history. I'm sure people have been educated to believe the west is responsible for the current atrocities, much like a Parrott can be educated to ask for a cracker.

As for africa, western imperialism has had a much more pronounced and detrimental effect attributable to current violence in certain parts of "black africa". It's probably overstated, buts it's much more tangible.
Oh. Of course you were.

Anyways, virtually every group with any power prior to WWI can be characterized as "senselessly slaughtering" people.  While we may rationalize our slaughters by calling them "wars," they were still slaughters (Phillipino Insurrection is a good example here).  So the pre-20th century brutality in the ME can hardly be characterized as unique.

And I think it's also important to acknowledge that the west totally screwed the pooch in how we carved up the Middle East after WWI.  I think it's unfair to pin all modern middle east violence on that, but at the very least, it a substantial factor.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
Greenwald on the freedom of speech discussion surrounding the cartoons is worth a read:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 10, 2015, 10:36:45 AM
Greenwald on the freedom of speech discussion surrounding the cartoons is worth a read:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 11:31:51 AM
Convenient that history begins with the end of ww1, considering the religion of the group credited with starting it.
serbian orthodox?

Christians who grew up as impoverished serfs to their muslim landlords.
ha.  are you saying muslims started WWI, FSD?

No. My point all along is that muslim extremists have been senselessly slaughtering people long before ww1, the usa's need for ME oil or before the USA existed, even during times when it was "influencing" force on a regional and world scale,  so the notion that the current slaughtering is motivated primarily by Western influence is naive and negates hundreds,  even thousands of years of history. I'm sure people have been educated to believe the west is responsible for the current atrocities, much like a Parrott can be educated to ask for a cracker.

As for africa, western imperialism has had a much more pronounced and detrimental effect attributable to current violence in certain parts of "black africa". It's probably overstated, buts it's much more tangible.
Oh. Of course you were.

Anyways, virtually every group with any power prior to WWI can be characterized as "senselessly slaughtering" people.  While we may rationalize our slaughters by calling them "wars," they were still slaughters (Phillipino Insurrection is a good example here).  So the pre-20th century brutality in the ME can hardly be characterized as unique.

And I think it's also important to acknowledge that the west totally screwed the pooch in how we carved up the Middle East after WWI.  I think it's unfair to pin all modern middle east violence on that, but at the very least, it a substantial factor.

As you correctly point out, muslim extremist groups have been slaughtering people in the name of religion since before time. So, of course it would be silly to say the boundaries drawn up after ww1, which they've always ignored, is a substantial factor contributing to violence. They've never needed a reason other than religion to do this, and don't need one now.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 10, 2015, 03:43:39 PM


And we've come full circle. Where history begins less than 100 years ago.
I just want to hear more about China being Russia's right hand.
lol he didn't say that.
Yup, he said that exact thing in the Cuba thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2015, 04:25:29 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 10, 2015, 07:48:04 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

Just make up excuses for why they terrorize
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
The Charlie Hedbo folks seem to be best described as unfunny morons more than anything. (this does not excuse what happened to them)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Big Sam on January 10, 2015, 09:08:00 PM

- the rape, torture, murder, enslavement and other forms of violence these groups inflict upon people is overwhelming inflicted upon other muslims

Just a side note to throw into the discussion.  In the eyes of the Jihadis (or, whatever you want to call them), those people we refer to as "muslims" they victimize are not muslims.

I have a student who grew up in mostly in Egypt and and also had some time in Turkey.  He noted that Muslims, at least where he is from, classify races by behavior, and thus anyone that believes differently from them are not Muslims.  Thus, when you here some talking head Muslims after events such as the recent attacks in Paris and Nigeria say that the perpetrators are not Muslim, they are probably honestly stating their beliefs.  The only problem is that those that are dong the raping, pillaging, and murdering don't consider those talking heads to be Muslims either.

As a side not, just to screw with your minds, according to my student, in the eyes of the people he grew up around, there are only four races in the world: Muslims, Jews, Americans, and Somalis.  Still trying to sort this one out.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2015, 08:52:22 AM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 11, 2015, 09:06:04 AM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."
Hm...I think everything you said is wrong.  But we're at an impasse. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2015, 11:54:03 AM

- the rape, torture, murder, enslavement and other forms of violence these groups inflict upon people is overwhelming inflicted upon other muslims

Just a side note to throw into the discussion.  In the eyes of the Jihadis (or, whatever you want to call them), those people we refer to as "muslims" they victimize are not muslims.

I have a student who grew up in mostly in Egypt and and also had some time in Turkey.  He noted that Muslims, at least where he is from, classify races by behavior, and thus anyone that believes differently from them are not Muslims.  Thus, when you here some talking head Muslims after events such as the recent attacks in Paris and Nigeria say that the perpetrators are not Muslim, they are probably honestly stating their beliefs.  The only problem is that those that are dong the raping, pillaging, and murdering don't consider those talking heads to be Muslims either.

As a side not, just to screw with your minds, according to my student, in the eyes of the people he grew up around, there are only four races in the world: Muslims, Jews, Americans, and Somalis.  Still trying to sort this one out.

Your student sounds like a pretty big idiot.  Flunk him
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 11, 2015, 08:31:58 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."

Ignoring cause and effect is pretty rough ridin' stupid too.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 11, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
Man oh man, the growing articles on the "no go" zones.

I had no idea this was a thing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Big Sam on January 11, 2015, 10:04:44 PM
Man oh man, the growing articles on the "no go" zones.

I had no idea this was a thing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all)

No go zones exist is Britain and there is a push by libs there to allow for Sharia law for Muslims and Muslim areas.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 12, 2015, 06:08:20 AM
That was a pretty fair and balanced article
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 08:29:08 AM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."

Ignoring cause and effect is pretty rough ridin' stupid too.

True, but no dumber than inventing a cause for an effect that doesn't fit with the facts.

You know who totally supported western foreign policy? Those 200 or so Pakistani children massacred last month. Or that entire village of people massacred in Nigeria. #AmericasChickensComingHomeToRoost.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 12, 2015, 09:00:41 AM
I really dislike websites that blast a video at me when I click on a link.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 12, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."

Ignoring cause and effect is pretty rough ridin' stupid too.

True, but no dumber than inventing a cause for an effect that doesn't fit with the facts.

You know who totally supported western foreign policy? Those 200 or so Pakistani children massacred last month. Or that entire village of people massacred in Nigeria. #AmericasChickensComingHomeToRoost.

If you don't understand why previous actions and policies have caused animosity towards the west then I'm not really sure you understand the topic at all. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2015, 11:33:35 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if those people massacred didn't support western policy in their regions.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 12, 2015, 11:42:43 AM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/21/why-do-they-hate-us-its-a-pretty-long-list/
""""""
Marayati — perhaps best known for equating jihad with Patrick Henry’s stance on “give me liberty or give me death” — explained that Muslim views are shaped around what they consider a series of U.S. foreign policy “blunders,” including a belief that:

The U.S. consistently supports Middle East dictators
The U.S. “sanctions” anti-Islam propaganda
Has controlled the natural and industrial resources of Muslim countries
“Blindly” supports Israel against the Palestinians
Kills Muslim civillians indiscriminately in drone attacks
“Destroyed Iraq” in both 1991 and 2003
Maintains a military presence throughout the Middle East
"""""
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2015, 12:16:51 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/21/why-do-they-hate-us-its-a-pretty-long-list/
""""""
Marayati — perhaps best known for equating jihad with Patrick Henry’s stance on “give me liberty or give me death” — explained that Muslim views are shaped around what they consider a series of U.S. foreign policy “blunders,” including a belief that:

The U.S. consistently supports Middle East dictators
The U.S. “sanctions” anti-Islam propaganda
Has controlled the natural and industrial resources of Muslim countries
“Blindly” supports Israel against the Palestinians
Kills Muslim civillians indiscriminately in drone attacks
“Destroyed Iraq” in both 1991 and 2003
Maintains a military presence throughout the Middle East
"""""


LOL, I don't think you understand what's going on here
 

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 12:49:22 PM
I bet Joe Biden would have loved a free trip to Paris. :sad: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/media-slam-obamas-paris-snub-200928.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/media-slam-obamas-paris-snub-200928.html)

I guess Obama was too busy polishing his Nobel, or dusting off his veto pen?

Eric Holder? He was probably too busy marching in another civil rights protest. Er, I guess he was actually in Paris at the time, but just couldn't make the event.

Wasn't a big deal though. Only 40 or so other world leaders.

Or maybe Obama just doesn't agree. This is the guy who recently blamed Benghazi on a YouTube video and told the UN "the future has no place for those who insult the prophet of Islam." There's a bunch of terrorists who couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 12, 2015, 12:54:07 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 12:56:52 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."

Ignoring cause and effect is pretty rough ridin' stupid too.

True, but no dumber than inventing a cause for an effect that doesn't fit with the facts.

You know who totally supported western foreign policy? Those 200 or so Pakistani children massacred last month. Or that entire village of people massacred in Nigeria. #AmericasChickensComingHomeToRoost.

If you don't understand why previous actions and policies have caused animosity towards the west then I'm not really sure you understand the topic at all.

I'm not denying that prior (and current) policy causes animosity - but to pretend that that is a significant factor in terrorism is absurd. Islam itself is unfortunately the main reason. There are billions of poor and oppressed people the world over - not just Muslims. And yet only the Muslims have this pervasive an extent of radicalism and terrorism.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 12:58:29 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.

:lol: Yeah, opposing terrorism is really counterproductive. Somebody could get hurt!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 12, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.

:lol: And yet the president of France walks arm in arm down the street with Netanyahu.
jesus christ. do you not understand my point?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 01:04:59 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.

:lol: And yet the president of France walks arm in arm down the street with Netanyahu.
jesus christ. do you not understand my point?

I understand it perfectly. And, I repeat: :lol: This isn't a situation where the U.S. is offering clandestine support to Muslim countries to oppose terrorism - this is Paris, France. These are the cats who gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Weak-knee'd as they have been in recent conflicts, they used to be one of our strongest allies.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 12, 2015, 01:10:28 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.

:lol: And yet the president of France walks arm in arm down the street with Netanyahu.
jesus christ. do you not understand my point?

I understand it perfectly. And, I repeat: :lol: This isn't a situation where the U.S. is offering clandestine support to Muslim countries to oppose terrorism - this is Paris, France. These are the cats who gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Weak-knee'd as they have been in recent conflicts, they used to be one of our strongest allies.
idk that you do. my point is that the cats who are making a point of their commitment to liberty don't need to be seen with the cats who torture and drone everything that moves.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 01:32:54 PM
a US face is counterproductive in this situation.

:lol: And yet the president of France walks arm in arm down the street with Netanyahu.
jesus christ. do you not understand my point?

I understand it perfectly. And, I repeat: :lol: This isn't a situation where the U.S. is offering clandestine support to Muslim countries to oppose terrorism - this is Paris, France. These are the cats who gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Weak-knee'd as they have been in recent conflicts, they used to be one of our strongest allies.
idk that you do. my point is that the cats who are making a point of their commitment to liberty don't need to be seen with the cats who torture and drone everything that moves.

Yup, I got your point. That's why I'm laughing. The idea that is would be counterproductive to make a public show of opposition in Paris to an act of terrorism because we have taken the lead combat/intelligence role in fighting terrorism is pretty sad/funny.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 01:40:24 PM
Never mind - turns out Obama was there afterall.

(http://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/01/Empty-Chair-in-Paris-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 12, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
great job making this terrorist attack about a photo op, conservatives.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 12, 2015, 01:49:30 PM
I'm guessing the Charlie Hebdo folks are pretty liberal and would have been quite critical of American meddling in the Middle East - but you know they all had to be slaughtered cause they drew some offensive cartoons.... Anyway it's still Americas fault, somehow.
nobody (nobody) is defending the terrorists

No, but people are blaming the terrorism on prior Mideast policy, which I'm just pointing out is a pretty stupid thing to say.

These people are the same savages now that they were 100 years ago. That's one of the reasons why the Mideast was carved up the way it was by the more civilized nations.

The main problem is Islam itself. It has more doctrinal impediments to modernization, peace, and civilized behavior than other religions. As Bill Maher correctly points out, Islam just seems to have a lot more bad ideas than other religions. "There is something wrong with the Orchard."

Ignoring cause and effect is pretty rough ridin' stupid too.

True, but no dumber than inventing a cause for an effect that doesn't fit with the facts.

You know who totally supported western foreign policy? Those 200 or so Pakistani children massacred last month. Or that entire village of people massacred in Nigeria. #AmericasChickensComingHomeToRoost.

If you don't understand why previous actions and policies have caused animosity towards the west then I'm not really sure you understand the topic at all.

I'm not denying that prior (and current) policy causes animosity - but to pretend that that is a significant factor in terrorism is absurd. Islam itself is unfortunately the main reason. There are billions of poor and oppressed people the world over - not just Muslims. And yet only the Muslims have this pervasive an extent of radicalism and terrorism.

It is a significant factor dumbass.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2015, 01:51:21 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 12, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
self loathing Americans are the weirdest.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2015, 02:04:14 PM


self loathing Americans

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 02:37:29 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2015, 02:53:44 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

yes religion is the only difference
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 12, 2015, 03:13:36 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 03:43:32 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)

Right. We don't call gang violence terrorism here, either. Now, if those gangs are murdeing people because they're insulting the Pope, or teaching girls how to read, or for not converting to Catholicism, then I'd call that terrorism. Is any of that happening sud of the border?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 12, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)

Right. We don't call gang violence terrorism here, either. Now, if those gangs are murdeing people because they're insulting the Pope, or teaching girls how to read, or for not converting to Catholicism, then I'd call that terrorism. Is any of that happening sud of the border?

Our gangs don't commonly use the same tactics as Middle Eastern terrorists. Mexican drug cartels do. If you don't consider dismembering somebody a form of terrorism, then I guess things are all rosy south of the US.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 12, 2015, 04:18:29 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)

Right. We don't call gang violence terrorism here, either. Now, if those gangs are murdeing people because they're insulting the Pope, or teaching girls how to read, or for not converting to Catholicism, then I'd call that terrorism. Is any of that happening sud of the border?

Our gangs don't commonly use the same tactics as Middle Eastern terrorists. Mexican drug cartels do. If you don't consider dismembering somebody a form of terrorism, then I guess things are all rosy south of the US.

It looks like the Mexican drug cartels are being inspired taught by terrorists as they pass through on their way to the US.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on January 12, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)

Right. We don't call gang violence terrorism here, either. Now, if those gangs are murdeing people because they're insulting the Pope, or teaching girls how to read, or for not converting to Catholicism, then I'd call that terrorism. Is any of that happening sud of the border?

Our gangs don't commonly use the same tactics as Middle Eastern terrorists. Mexican drug cartels do. If you don't consider dismembering somebody a form of terrorism, then I guess things are all rosy south of the US.

Yes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 12, 2015, 07:01:14 PM
This thread really took an amusing turn. The libtards are so set on blaming anything other than Islam for terrorism that the south/Central American drug cartels' motivations are really no different than Muslim terrorists. :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 12, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
This thread really took an amusing turn. The libtards are so set on blaming anything other than Islam for terrorism that the south/Central American drug cartels' motivations are really no different than Muslim terrorists. :lol:

You seem to have a firm grasp of what's going on
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2015, 07:33:48 PM
great job making this terrorist attack about a photo op, conservatives.

You sound like a complete dumbass
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
self loathing Americans are the weirdest.

Agreed. I think it comes in the mail to order "progressotard makeover" kit
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2015, 07:42:48 PM
I'm sure the libtards desperately want to include gang violence within the definition of terrorism and enemy combatant so they can start wire tapping without warrants and droning domestically. Alpha target, tea party gang bangers.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: husserl on January 12, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
Most terrorist attacks are in places with really unstable governments (like Afghanistan and Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

Funny - you don't see much terrorism in South American or Central American countries, home to some of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Violence seems to be almsot entirely drug/kidnapping related. Over a billion poor and oppressed people. American intervention in propping up corrupt regimes. What's different... Hmmm..... Oh yeah, Catholics.

Well, the drug cartels do murder people, kidnap, dismember bodies, etc. It seems the biggest difference between the two is that we don't call it terrorism in the west.

Oh yeah, Catholics. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665)

Right. We don't call gang violence terrorism here, either. Now, if those gangs are murdeing people because they're insulting the Pope, or teaching girls how to read, or for not converting to Catholicism, then I'd call that terrorism. Is any of that happening sud of the border?

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/republicans-propose-bill-treat-mexican-drug-cartels-terrorist-insurgency (http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/republicans-propose-bill-treat-mexican-drug-cartels-terrorist-insurgency)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 12, 2015, 08:23:15 PM
lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 12, 2015, 08:58:41 PM
Expansion of the police state and global hegemony, libtard objectives a & b under Obama and criticisms a & b of W.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 12, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
Omg
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 12, 2015, 10:54:20 PM
IMO Buttcrack Obama's inept foreign policies have been a big reason for the upsurge of ISIS.  Where would ISIS be if there were still US troops in Iraq?  Pushing for the Arab spring only agitated the bowels of these sadistic nuts.  Instead of weakening Assad, maybe we should of let him squeeze the camel dung out of the terrorists.  Abandoning Isreal and not trying to strengthen the PLO and get them to negotiate has given rise to Hamas in Gaza.  Throw in the work of Hapless Hillary and war zero Lurch Kerry as SOS,  It is no wonder these knotheads are attacking the west.  Who knows a bearded kook may be hiding among the Amish at Yoder or Garnett.   I hear ISIS wants to attack golf courses -- crap now Obama will fight back!!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 13, 2015, 08:14:06 AM
Who knows a bearded kook may be hiding among the Amish at Yoder or Garnett.

Probably getting a carriage bomb ready as we speak.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 09:00:43 AM
There's no question that recent foreign policy blunders and strategic gross negligence have brought unprecedented power and influence to the radical Islamic stage, whereas prior policy had largely muted their effectiveness. Those facts, in no way, have had substantial influence on the motivations behind the atrocities perpetrated by the radicals. Those motivations are timeless.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 09:13:32 AM
What I'm learning here is that western policy can have an effect on terrorism as long as it was Obummer's. No policy decisions prior to that had an impact on the growth of ISIS
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 09:16:42 AM
What I'm learning here is that western policy can have an effect on terrorism as long as it was Obummer's. No policy decisions prior to that had an impact on the growth of ISIS

Hyperbole much?

Are you seriously going to deny or dispute that the radicals have grown substantially, exponentially, in power and influence over the last 5 or 6 years?  If you are, than I think we know who the real partisan assclown is here.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 09:18:29 AM


What I'm learning here is that western policy can have an effect on terrorism as long as it was Obummer's. No policy decisions prior to that had an impact on the growth of ISIS

Hyperbole much?

:lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 13, 2015, 09:29:16 AM
I view radical Islam as more of a pawn used by larger players. The ultimate motivations aren't really religious.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
And I don't think radicalism has "grown exponentially" globally over the past five years. If someone has data that supports this, I would easily be swayed, however.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 10:09:28 AM
cRusty . . . OMG, sometimes bro . . . I mean  :lol:

 :thumbsup:

Well that's not very convincing
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2015, 10:17:28 AM
cRusty, everyone knows that long term U.S. policy has lead to the formula that has created ISIS, but anyone with a brain (thus, it would exclude many around here) knows that it's been the Obama administrations policy in Syria (with cheerleading from idiots like McCain) that has made ISIS what is now.

To think, this dumba$$ administration is still contemplating training "moderate" coalitions of Syrian rebels . . . again.

Oh and you can thank the idiotic Libyan foray for helping ISIS as well.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 10:24:11 AM


cRusty, everyone knows that long term U.S. policy has lead to the formula that has created ISIS, but anyone with a brain (thus, it would exclude many around knows) that it's been the Obama administrations policy in Syria (with cheerleading from idiots like McCain) that has made ISIS what is now.

To think, this dumba$$ administration is still contemplating training "moderate" coalitions of Syrian rebels . . . again.

Oh and you can thank the idiotic Libyan foray for helping ISIS as well.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with all of that, but I don't think that constitutes an "exponential growth" in global extremism.

I would argue overthrowing Saddam and dismantling the Iraqi army and Baath party structure had far more to do with the growth of ISIS than our recent Syrian policy, but whatever.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
No, not really.  But hey, you're a huge prog liberal, so, always lay the blame elsewhere, and never let a crisis go to waste.



I've consistently been critical of Obama's ISIS strategy and argued that the beheading videos shouldn't draw us into a stupid rough ridin' war (in other words, let that crisis go to waste). But keep kicking the crap out of those strawmen, dax. It's what you do!

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dlew12 on January 13, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
has assad approved of us being in syria yet, or are we still there illegally?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 11:01:32 AM
Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

wholly and exclusively to blame
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
It's cute how the libtards immediate retort to every fact raised that completely undermines their unfounded point of view is "strawman". Never once has that term been correctly used by the libtarded.

What's amazing and unfathomable is the libtard position that the ISIS of today, a full fledged and we'll funded army conquering vast territory and perpetrating wide scale genocide, existed in its same form some 7+ years ago.

We come to Fantasy Land, population partisan drone libtards
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
What's amazing and unfathomable is the libtard position that the ISIS of today, a full fledged and we'll funded army conquering vast territory and perpetrating wide scale genocide, existed in its same form some 7+ years ago.

no one ever said that
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 12:30:00 PM
What's amazing and unfathomable is the libtard position that the ISIS of today, a full fledged and we'll funded army conquering vast territory and perpetrating wide scale genocide, existed in its same form some 7+ years ago.

no one ever said that

Yes you did. You're trying to conflate recent terrorism, and the west's effect upon the degree to which it is occurring, with the motivation for the existence of the terrorism altogether. As repeatedly demonstrated above, that's a bullshit disingenuous position. But yet, here we are.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 12:46:16 PM


What's amazing and unfathomable is the libtard position that the ISIS of today, a full fledged and we'll funded army conquering vast territory and perpetrating wide scale genocide, existed in its same form some 7+ years ago.

no one ever said that

Yes you did. You're trying to conflate recent terrorism, and the west's effect upon the degree to which it is occurring, with the motivation for the existence of the terrorism altogether. As repeatedly demonstrated above, that's a bullshit disingenuous position. But yet, here we are.

huh?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 13, 2015, 01:14:58 PM
I view radical Islam as more of a pawn used by larger players. The ultimate motivations aren't really religious.

Bingo
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 13, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
I view radical Islam as more of a pawn used by larger players. The ultimate motivations aren't really religious.

Bingo

So, who are these larger players? Obama? Saudis? Soros? Koch bros? Bilderbergs?  :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 13, 2015, 01:28:06 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 13, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes

Yeah, I remember the giggles and gasps from left when McCain and Romney both said we may need to keep a large force in Iraq for an undetermined amount of time. But a campaign promise is a campaign promise and we pulled them all and libs rejoiced.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 13, 2015, 01:41:37 PM
I view radical Islam as more of a pawn used by larger players. The ultimate motivations aren't really religious.

Bingo

So, who are these larger players? Obama? Saudis? Soros? Koch bros? Bilderbergs?  :bwpopcorn:

USA, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 02:05:25 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes

Yeah, I remember the giggles and gasps from left when McCain and Romney both said we may need to keep a large force in Iraq for an undetermined amount of time. But a campaign promise is a campaign promise and we pulled them all and libs rejoiced.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes.

there was never a large enough force in Iraq to do whatever the end game of McCain and Romney was
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 13, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes

Yeah, I remember the giggles and gasps from left when McCain and Romney both said we may need to keep a large force in Iraq for an undetermined amount of time. But a campaign promise is a campaign promise and we pulled them all and libs rejoiced.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes.

there was never a large enough force in Iraq to do whatever the end game of McCain and Romney was

how do you know? ISIS started out as the "JV" team of a few thousand and has ballooned into 20,000+ army. Probably could have been crushed early on.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes

Yeah, I remember the giggles and gasps from left when McCain and Romney both said we may need to keep a large force in Iraq for an undetermined amount of time. But a campaign promise is a campaign promise and we pulled them all and libs rejoiced.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes.

there was never a large enough force in Iraq to do whatever the end game of McCain and Romney was

how do you know? ISIS started out as the "JV" team of a few thousand and has ballooned into 20,000+ army. Probably could have been crushed early on.
The fact that a JV team of a few thousand requires an 8+ year US military occupation seems to be a pretty good sign that the number of troops isn't sufficient for whatever plan was in place
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
Childish quip belied by the fact ISIS didn't invade Iraq until after random arbitrary troop withdrawal date.

 Lots if libtard flailing on display today. :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Big Sam on January 13, 2015, 03:56:22 PM
cRusty, everyone knows that long term U.S. policy has lead to the formula that has created ISIS, but anyone with a brain (thus, it would exclude many around here) knows that it's been the Obama administrations policy in Syria (with cheerleading from idiots like McCain) that has made ISIS what is now.

To think, this dumba$$ administration is still contemplating training "moderate" coalitions of Syrian rebels . . . again.

Oh and you can thank the idiotic Libyan foray for helping ISIS as well.

I mostly agree with you.  However, I have to not that when the uprising began in Syria, large portions were rather moderate (they have a strong group of the young that are tired of extremism and crazy).  We did nothing to support them.  That has led to the extremists to gain a stronger and stronger position until we have the ISIS/ISIL situation now.  When left to their own devices, and facing crisis, people will go with the perceived winner.

The U.S. only gave platitudes to the moderate rebels, promised "Aid" in some nebulous form, and did nothing.  Over time, ISIS gained a foothold, did things, and though nutty by our standards, has shown effectiveness.  They have been able to get things done.  In the process, they have accumulated wealth, and financing on a rather grand scale.  In fact, they are now beginning a level of a welfare state for those whose sons/husbands fight - providing for their needs.  This is huge and is hard to overcome.

There are true moderates out there, and they are willing to fight.  But we refused to arm them and left them out to dry.  Few survive.  I don't know if arming then will work now - it could have early on in the process.

My next and larger concern are the Kurds in Iraq.  We have mostly played the same game with them.  Apparently, they may be some secret weapons aid coming now, but nothing is confirmed that I can find.  Without help, they are screwed as well.  That will be unfortunate due to their past history of maintaining sanity and order in Northern Iraq.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2015, 04:05:14 PM
cRusty, everyone knows that long term U.S. policy has lead to the formula that has created ISIS, but anyone with a brain (thus, it would exclude many around here) knows that it's been the Obama administrations policy in Syria (with cheerleading from idiots like McCain) that has made ISIS what is now.

To think, this dumba$$ administration is still contemplating training "moderate" coalitions of Syrian rebels . . . again.

Oh and you can thank the idiotic Libyan foray for helping ISIS as well.

I mostly agree with you.  However, I have to not that when the uprising began in Syria, large portions were rather moderate (they have a strong group of the young that are tired of extremism and crazy).  We did nothing to support them.  That has led to the extremists to gain a stronger and stronger position until we have the ISIS/ISIL situation now.  When left to their own devices, and facing crisis, people will go with the perceived winner.

The U.S. only gave platitudes to the moderate rebels, promised "Aid" in some nebulous form, and did nothing.  Over time, ISIS gained a foothold, did things, and though nutty by our standards, has shown effectiveness.  They have been able to get things done.  In the process, they have accumulated wealth, and financing on a rather grand scale.  In fact, they are now beginning a level of a welfare state for those whose sons/husbands fight - providing for their needs.  This is huge and is hard to overcome.

There are true moderates out there, and they are willing to fight.  But we refused to arm them and left them out to dry.  Few survive.  I don't know if arming then will work now - it could have early on in the process.

My next and larger concern are the Kurds in Iraq.  We have mostly played the same game with them.  Apparently, they may be some secret weapons aid coming now, but nothing is confirmed that I can find.  Without help, they are screwed as well.  That will be unfortunate due to their past history of maintaining sanity and order in Northern Iraq.

It's none of our business
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 13, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
ISIS will not stop as they want a caliphayte in the Arbia pennisula.  When this all spills over and effects Isreal all hell will break lose.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on January 13, 2015, 05:34:13 PM
It's not really a strawman.   Syria is almost entirely the child of the current administration, ISIS/ISIL has taken advantage of the fact that Syria has vast expanses not controlled by the Syrian government and that is wholly and exclusively to blame on the current administration and its proxies.   

The stawman is Saddam and Iraq . . . well not really if you subscribe to the reality that this administration has been more effective than the so called Neo-Cons.   Albeit, I must say that this administration has some of the wildest swings in foreign policy I've ever seen, you don't know who these guys are going to support or not support.  Totally nuts.

Bush and company failed to vette Maliki who ended up being a murderer of Sunnis. Obama ignored Malaki and wanted to be done with Iraq as soon as possible. 

The invasion of Iraq tore apart the thin glue that kept Sunnis and Shiites living and working next to each other.  Now they are in a power struggle for oil and control. 

The birth of ISIS is a failure on both administrations to commit a full effort in stabilizing Iraq.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes

Yeah, I remember the giggles and gasps from left when McCain and Romney both said we may need to keep a large force in Iraq for an undetermined amount of time. But a campaign promise is a campaign promise and we pulled them all and libs rejoiced.  To deny is just partisan revisionist wishes.

I gasped because I knew their proposed policies had more to do with feeding defense donors than it did with actual concern. Also i knew we were never actually leaving as a contingent of private contractors were always to remain with a sprinkling of American forces.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 13, 2015, 07:08:30 PM
Headinjun closes this one out with a facepalm city post!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on January 14, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
Amnesty International saying that boko haram killed as many as 2000 in the town of Baga.

There needs to be a terrorism thread with a non-ridiculous title.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kids-reunite-parents-lost-nigeria-islamic-uprising-28106423)

global outrage and global mainstream media are both very racist. nobody cares about africa. sad.

An interesting look at why you hear so less about boko haram:

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/14/a-western-blindspot/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 16, 2015, 12:02:34 AM
If Obama can't even say the words "radical Islam", nobody is going to care.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2015, 09:01:18 AM
If Obama can't even say the words "radical Islam", nobody is going to care.

Using hurtful language like that is what makes these misunderstood followers of a beautiful, peaceful religion want to kill us. Why would we want to provoke them?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2015, 10:52:39 AM
did you guys even read the article? It's interesting and doesn't really have anything to do w/ US politics. :jerk:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2015, 11:52:21 PM
Yes this actually happened. In response to the Paris snub, Obama sends Potato Face with a special guest to sing a special song to the French.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/16/john_kerry_brings_james_taylor_to_sing_youve_got_a_friend_in_me_to_france.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/16/john_kerry_brings_james_taylor_to_sing_youve_got_a_friend_in_me_to_france.html)

You just can't make this up. Can SNL top this? I hope they try, but not sure they will succeed. :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on January 17, 2015, 01:01:38 AM
Which one is potato face?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 17, 2015, 01:15:34 AM
Personally, huge JT fan, here. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on January 17, 2015, 01:19:21 AM

Personally, huge JT fan, here.

he is america
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 17, 2015, 02:15:15 AM
Who isn't a huge jt fan?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 17, 2015, 02:16:09 AM
Who isn't a huge jt fan?

I sincerely hope you're not pullen my chain. :/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 17, 2015, 06:55:24 AM
I just love so potato face is standing off to the side during the performance. Diplomacy, folks. This is how we do it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on January 17, 2015, 09:32:04 AM
OUTRAGE OVER LACK OF OUTRAGE!!!  :curse:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
I think SNL could top that
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 17, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
also, "you've got a friend in me" is Randy Newman in Toy Story! Those goofs.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 17, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
Madames et Monsieurs, James Taylor...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 17, 2015, 10:10:16 PM
Just some Muslims inviting their Christian neighbors to a BBQ. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5005/muslim-persecution-of-christians-november-2014?anid=7 (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5005/muslim-persecution-of-christians-november-2014?anid=7)

Beautiful religion of peace.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 18, 2015, 12:12:14 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 18, 2015, 08:25:35 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: jmlynch1 on January 18, 2015, 09:27:06 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
yep, that was the point he was making...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 18, 2015, 10:18:35 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
yep, that was the point he was making...

What was the point he was making?

My chances of being killed by a terroris or a cop are both next to zero. I have less chance of being killed by a cop because I wouldn't behave like a dumbass if I'm detained. But regardless, why does any if it matter? What is the point being made?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Man oh man, the growing articles on the "no go" zones.

I had no idea this was a thing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/french-islamist-mini-states-grow-into-problem-out-/?page=all)

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/18/media/fox-apologizes-for-anti-islam-comments/index.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ChiCat on January 18, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
Things not sourced by the gatestone institute would be nice
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 19, 2015, 09:26:14 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
yep, that was the point he was making...

What was the point he was making?

My chances of being killed by a terroris or a cop are both next to zero. I have less chance of being killed by a cop because I wouldn't behave like a dumbass if I'm detained. But regardless, why does any if it matter? What is the point being made?

We spend trillions of dollars trying to protect ourselves from a terrorist attack that has next to 0% chance of ever killing us.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on January 19, 2015, 12:02:51 PM
Wow, when did Fox News become so politically correct that it has to apologize for its guests who tell blatant lies about british cities in order to vilify islam?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 19, 2015, 02:29:10 PM
Wow, when did Fox News become so politically correct that it has to apologize for its guests who tell blatant lies about british cities in order to vilify islam?

They're the only cable news provider that's ever apologized and/or corrected lies.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 19, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
yep, that was the point he was making...

What was the point he was making?

My chances of being killed by a terroris or a cop are both next to zero. I have less chance of being killed by a cop because I wouldn't behave like a dumbass if I'm detained. But regardless, why does any if it matter? What is the point being made?

We spend trillions of dollars trying to protect ourselves from a terrorist attack that has next to 0% chance of ever killing us.

Right. We also have about the same chance of being killed in a plane crash, but we spend billions every year on regulations and safety measures to help prevent those. And terrorist attacks have a larger economic impact than just the people the kill - which is why the terrorists do it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 19, 2015, 10:18:02 PM
Wow, when did Fox News become so politically correct that it has to apologize for its guests who tell blatant lies about british cities in order to vilify islam?

They're the only cable news provider that's ever apologized and/or corrected lies.

Maddow made Bridgegate her lead story for three months, constantly speculating with guests on the governor's obvious involvement,  then simply moved on when the court found zero evidence of any Christie involvement.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 20, 2015, 08:28:54 AM
jtmhtd sure does watch a lot of MSNBC.  No way could I watch Rachel Maddow every night for 3 months.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 20, 2015, 08:38:52 AM
A guy at work said the French Police do not carry guns. That is what lead to it being as deadly as it was. He was pretty pissed off about that. He loves his guns. Also loves authority.

I would bet that we have way more citizens killed by armed police than France has killed by terrorists in any given year.

We probably have a lot more vehicular fatalities and people dying of cancer too. What's your point? Why is terrorism ok just because people die other ways too.
yep, that was the point he was making...

What was the point he was making?

My chances of being killed by a terroris or a cop are both next to zero. I have less chance of being killed by a cop because I wouldn't behave like a dumbass if I'm detained. But regardless, why does any if it matter? What is the point being made?

We spend trillions of dollars trying to protect ourselves from a terrorist attack that has next to 0% chance of ever killing us.

Right. We also have about the same chance of being killed in a plane crash, but we spend billions every year on regulations and safety measures to help prevent those. And terrorist attacks have a larger economic impact than just the people the kill - which is why the terrorists do it.

Yeah, the larger economic impact is us spending trillions of dollars to try to keep it from happening again. Plane regulations are different because the bulk of that expense is passed on to the customer who flies. I think it would be an interesting social experiment to present people with the option of saving $10 on their ticket under the condition that they would be flying on an unregulated plane, though.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 05, 2015, 10:50:57 AM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

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"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on February 05, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
All the way back to the KKK!  What a stretch!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 05, 2015, 11:11:46 AM
All the way back to the KKK!  What a stretch!

Batt BcKee: ISIS, Aq, 9/11 = KKK. Your opinion is noted, thanks.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on February 05, 2015, 11:14:56 AM
I don't have a problem being on the record of equating the morality of the KKK with that of ISIS.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 05, 2015, 09:42:38 PM
Jordan and its King are a bunch of badasses.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/02/05/Jordanian-airstrikes-kill-55-ISIS-militants-one-commander.html

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/54d3a7b2ecad04240d59275e-879-880/screen%20shot%202015-02-05%20at%2012.25.29%20pm.png)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 05, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
good to see a leader that isn't afraid to do what's necessary. Jordan and Israel should buddy up.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 05, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
Yeah, praise Allah that others are finally getting off their asses
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2015, 10:42:57 PM
good to see a leader that isn't afraid to do what's necessary. Jordan and Israel should buddy up.

seems like they've been afraid to do something about ISIS for quite a while. Or perhaps more accurately, apathetic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 05, 2015, 10:49:53 PM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

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"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

What a rough ridin' idiot.

1) willfully generalizes all Christians as kkk crusaders, while warning everyone against doing the same with Muslims. Like literally steps all over himself to avoid it.
2) we're off hundreds of years here. What if Abe was all "the Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Romans enslaved the Greeks so we should be careful what we say and do about slavery in the us, ya know, so we don't look like hypocrites for what our ancient ancestors did"

How this buffoon isn't called to the mat for these asinine analogies is beyond me. This is pathetic, anti intellectual drivel. Dumbest rough ridin' president ever.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 05, 2015, 10:52:53 PM
good to see a leader that isn't afraid to do what's necessary. Jordan and Israel should buddy up.

seems like they've been afraid to do something about ISIS for quite a while. Or perhaps more accurately, apathetic.

Well, 300 years ago a Jordanian murdered a radical muslim, so they probably felt awkward retaliating against the unprovoked attack.  If you were brilliant, you'd understand why that makes sense.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 08:39:22 AM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

Quote
"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

What a rough ridin' idiot.

1) willfully generalizes all Christians as kkk crusaders, while warning everyone against doing the same with Muslims. Like literally steps all over himself to avoid it.
2) we're off hundreds of years here. What if Abe was all "the Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Romans enslaved the Greeks so we should be careful what we say and do about slavery in the us, ya know, so we don't look like hypocrites for what our ancient ancestors did"

How this buffoon isn't called to the mat for these asinine analogies is beyond me. This is pathetic, anti intellectual drivel. Dumbest rough ridin' president ever.

Not to mention the fact that Christianity was probably the primary driving force for abolition of slavery and Jim Crow laws. But these little "facts" don't seem to bother our Chief Assclown - or maybe he's just so stupid that he really doesn't know. No - the important thing is to make sure people understand that Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous and barbaric as Islamic extremists. In fact, it has nothing to do with Islam at all, which is a beautiful religion of peace.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 08:54:24 AM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

Quote
"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

What a rough ridin' idiot.

1) willfully generalizes all Christians as kkk crusaders, while warning everyone against doing the same with Muslims. Like literally steps all over himself to avoid it.
2) we're off hundreds of years here. What if Abe was all "the Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Romans enslaved the Greeks so we should be careful what we say and do about slavery in the us, ya know, so we don't look like hypocrites for what our ancient ancestors did"

How this buffoon isn't called to the mat for these asinine analogies is beyond me. This is pathetic, anti intellectual drivel. Dumbest rough ridin' president ever.

Not to mention the fact that Christianity was probably the primary driving force for abolition of slavery and Jim Crow laws. But these little "facts" don't seem to bother our Chief Assclown - or maybe he's just so stupid that he really doesn't know. No - the important thing is to make sure people understand that Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous and barbaric as Islamic extremists. In fact, it has nothing to do with Islam at all, which is a beautiful religion of peace.

I like to think that Christianity is the driving force behind allowing gays to marry as well.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

Quote
"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

What a rough ridin' idiot.

1) willfully generalizes all Christians as kkk crusaders, while warning everyone against doing the same with Muslims. Like literally steps all over himself to avoid it.
2) we're off hundreds of years here. What if Abe was all "the Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Romans enslaved the Greeks so we should be careful what we say and do about slavery in the us, ya know, so we don't look like hypocrites for what our ancient ancestors did"

How this buffoon isn't called to the mat for these asinine analogies is beyond me. This is pathetic, anti intellectual drivel. Dumbest rough ridin' president ever.

Not to mention the fact that Christianity was probably the primary driving force for abolition of slavery and Jim Crow laws. But these little "facts" don't seem to bother our Chief Assclown - or maybe he's just so stupid that he really doesn't know. No - the important thing is to make sure people understand that Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous and barbaric as Islamic extremists. In fact, it has nothing to do with Islam at all, which is a beautiful religion of peace.

I like to think that Christianity is the driving force behind allowing gays to marry as well.

No that's Satan. Seriously though - you know what I worry about everytime I board an airplane, especially overseas? That there might be some Christian extremist trying to blow it out of the sky because he's angry about gay marriage or abortion.

I can't repeat this enough: All religions are equally responsible for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
Our Assclown in Chief just can't help himself. At the National Prayer Breakfast, hs felt compelled to once again draw a moral equivalency between Islamic and Christian brutality, reaching all the way back to the KKK and the Crusades!

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-people-committed-terrible-deeds-in-the-name-of-christ-2015-2)

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"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said Wednesday. "And in our home country, slavery, and Jim Crow, all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

What a rough ridin' idiot.

1) willfully generalizes all Christians as kkk crusaders, while warning everyone against doing the same with Muslims. Like literally steps all over himself to avoid it.
2) we're off hundreds of years here. What if Abe was all "the Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Romans enslaved the Greeks so we should be careful what we say and do about slavery in the us, ya know, so we don't look like hypocrites for what our ancient ancestors did"

How this buffoon isn't called to the mat for these asinine analogies is beyond me. This is pathetic, anti intellectual drivel. Dumbest rough ridin' president ever.

Not to mention the fact that Christianity was probably the primary driving force for abolition of slavery and Jim Crow laws. But these little "facts" don't seem to bother our Chief Assclown - or maybe he's just so stupid that he really doesn't know. No - the important thing is to make sure people understand that Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous and barbaric as Islamic extremists. In fact, it has nothing to do with Islam at all, which is a beautiful religion of peace.

I like to think that Christianity is the driving force behind allowing gays to marry as well.

No that's Satan. Seriously though - you know what I worry about everytime I board an airplane, especially overseas? That there might be some Christian extremist trying to blow it out of the sky because he's angry about gay marriage or abortion.

I can't repeat this enough: All religions are equally responsible for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.

The only thing I worry about when boarding the plane is that I might get stuck next to some fat person who smells bad. And yeah, I'd say that all religions are close to 0% responsible for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
The only thing I worry about when boarding the plane is that I might get stuck next to some fat person who smells bad. And yeah, I'd say that all religions are close to 0% responsible for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.

I'm not sure that last sentence came out right, or maybe you need to rethink it, because you can't really believe that Islam has anywhere close to 0% responsibility for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
The only thing I worry about when boarding the plane is that I might get stuck next to some fat person who smells bad. And yeah, I'd say that all religions are close to 0% responsible for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.

I'm not sure that last sentence came out right, or maybe you need to rethink it, because you can't really believe that Islam has anywhere close to 0% responsibility for terrorism, violence, and misery around the globe.

The terrorism, violence, and misery would all still exist without Islam.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 06, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 11:59:52 AM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around

Huh. But Islam is easily the biggest part of their culture. For the radicals Islam is their entire culture. But otherwise good point.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around

Huh. But Islam is easily the biggest part of their culture. For the radicals Islam is their entire culture. But otherwise good point.

It has more to do with resources and trade than anything else.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around

Huh. But Islam is easily the biggest part of their culture. For the radicals Islam is their entire culture. But otherwise good point.

It has more to do with resources and trade than anything else.

Huh. So the Middle East is lacking in resources and trade...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 06, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around

Huh. But Islam is easily the biggest part of their culture. For the radicals Islam is their entire culture. But otherwise good point.

It has more to do with resources and trade than anything else.

Huh. So the Middle East is lacking in resources and trade...
the unemployment rates are really high. it's one half of a violent and vicious cycle. do you disagree?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 12:57:35 PM
A lot of this violence is cultural it's been happening in that part of the world long before Islam was around

Huh. But Islam is easily the biggest part of their culture. For the radicals Islam is their entire culture. But otherwise good point.

It has more to do with resources and trade than anything else.

Huh. So the Middle East is lacking in resources and trade...

If it were lacking in resources and trade, the region would be far more peaceful.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 03:05:06 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

As I've said before, there is poverty, conflict and corruption all over the world, yet nowhere else comes close to the levels of terrorism and violence in the predominanly Islamic regions. It's right in front of you but you refuse to acknowledge it.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

As I've said before, there is poverty, conflict and corruption all over the world, yet nowhere else comes close to the levels of terrorism and violence in the predominanly Islamic regions. It's right in front of you but you refuse to acknowledge it.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html)

Sub-Saharan Africa exceeds the levels of terrorism and violence in predominately Islamic regions.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

Yes, I'm sure it's the battle over control of the silk road that is the root of the problem, and all the violence in the name of allah is just a cloak.

Holy crap
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 03:48:58 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

Yes, I'm sure it's the battle over control of the silk road that is the root of the problem, and all the violence in the name of allah is just a cloak.

Holy crap

I wouldn't say it's a cloak so much as a recruiting tool.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

As I've said before, there is poverty, conflict and corruption all over the world, yet nowhere else comes close to the levels of terrorism and violence in the predominanly Islamic regions. It's right in front of you but you refuse to acknowledge it.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html)

Sub-Saharan Africa exceeds the levels of terrorism and violence in predominately Islamic regions.

You should stop digging. "Sub Saharan Africa" is a huge region that has about 250 million Muslims and includes Nigeria, home of Boko Haram, the worst African terrorist group (and of course they are Islamic).

Seriously, you should stop.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 04:00:59 PM
The middle east is, like, the birthplace of trade. If you don't think muslim extremism is responsible for a whole shitload of terrorism, you are so rough ridin' obtuse and ignorant you probably don't know what the colors on a stop light mean.

Yes. People have always fought over that trade, and they always will. Muslim extremism is just a byproduct of the fighting.

As I've said before, there is poverty, conflict and corruption all over the world, yet nowhere else comes close to the levels of terrorism and violence in the predominanly Islamic regions. It's right in front of you but you refuse to acknowledge it.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/06/asra_nomani_terrorist_in_jordanian_pilot_video_cited_similar_grievances_obama_aired_at_prayer_breakfast.html)

Sub-Saharan Africa exceeds the levels of terrorism and violence in predominately Islamic regions.

You should stop digging. "Sub Saharan Africa" is a huge region that has about 250 million Muslims and includes Nigeria, home of Boko Haram, the worst African terrorist group (and of course they are Islamic).

Seriously, you should stop.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 04:03:23 PM
Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ksu_FAN on February 06, 2015, 04:19:36 PM

Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

So it's all about geography?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 04:19:47 PM
Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

:lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 04:23:54 PM

Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

So it's all about geography?

I think so.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2015, 05:19:29 PM

Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

So it's all about geography?

absolutely. Most places are influenced far more by geography than religion. For example, geography is why there were far more slaves in the south and not the north, not because of differences in morals or religion.

politics also play a role, but geography also generally drives the politics.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 05:22:15 PM

Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

So it's all about geography?

I think so.

in Waterworld
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 05:47:03 PM

Does anyone honestly believe that if the Middle East were predominately Christian, we wouldn't be seeing people shouting "Praise Jesus" as they chopped off American heads?

So it's all about geography?

absolutely. Most places are influenced far more by geography than religion. For example, geography is why there were far more slaves in the south and not the north, not because of differences in morals or religion.

politics also play a role, but geography also generally drives the politics.

Yeah, the same reason air conditioning is more common in hot places.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
Geographically speaking, the middle east is conducive for jihadist violence, just like Mississippi is geographically conducive for growing cotton. It makes sense, if you're an indoctrinated lunatic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 06, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
Why aren't heads rolling in the Pacific islands?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Geographically speaking, the middle east is conducive for jihadist violence, just like Mississippi is geographically conducive for growing cotton. It makes sense, if you're an indoctrinated lunatic.

such an adorable simple mind.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 06, 2015, 06:30:45 PM
I think Islam is a bit more disposed to violence than your average monotheism because of the story trend in its holy book and the history thereafter. In the Torah you have a group that is freed from slavery, grows a nice little kingdom, and then is shithoused by the Babylonians. Jews are accustomed to being the underdog. The Christians get Jesus in their book and Jesus is def. not a warrior. Christianity basically won Rome through a peaceful revolution. It spread until Constantine could no longer afford to outlaw the 25% who embraced it. The Quran is the story of Mohammed's rise to power and not much else. It ends with Islam being as powerful as ever and things only continued to get better for the next 800 years. My small and simple point is that there isn't much humility or nonviolence to be learned from the Quran.

All of that said, being unemployed is a much, MUCH bigger factor in the decision of young men to do terrible things to other people. Religion is just an excuse for that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 07:19:16 PM
Geographically speaking, the middle east is conducive for jihadist violence, just like Mississippi is geographically conducive for growing cotton. It makes sense, if you're an indoctrinated lunatic.

such an adorable simple mind.

I can only assume you're talking about yourself.  Perhaps you're talking about demography, rather than physical geography, but since this was raised the context of "if you placed christians in the same place it would be the same", I won't afford you such deference.

You people are just all sorts of stupid.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2015, 07:21:07 PM
Geography precedes and shapes demography.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on February 06, 2015, 07:22:25 PM
Can you give an example of a region that was prone to violence that had a new group of people move in and the violence or disruption in the region ceased?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 07:22:38 PM
I think Islam is a bit more disposed to violence than your average monotheism because of the story trend in its holy book and the history thereafter. In the Torah you have a group that is freed from slavery, grows a nice little kingdom, and then is shithoused by the Babylonians. Jews are accustomed to being the underdog. The Christians get Jesus in their book and Jesus is def. not a warrior. Christianity basically won Rome through a peaceful revolution. It spread until Constantine could no longer afford to outlaw the 25% who embraced it. The Quran is the story of Mohammed's rise to power and not much else. It ends with Islam being as powerful as ever and things only continued to get better for the next 800 years. My small and simple point is that there isn't much humility or nonviolence to be learned from the Quran.

All of that said, being unemployed is a much, MUCH bigger factor in the decision of young men to do terrible things to other people. Religion is just an excuse for that.

Nope, just geography,  and salt.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 07:31:29 PM
I think we're starting to see why jocks overwhelmingly  choose social sciences as a major.

This is not a shot at bubbles, who made a very thoughtful and reasoned comment.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 07:36:33 PM
Why aren't heads rolling in the Pacific islands?

WW2 aftermath
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Well known conservative, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell weighs in on the rank stupidity of Obama's moral equivalency:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/05/lawrence_odonnell_obama_went_back_800_years_ago_to_make_comparison_seems_to_be_saying_that_he_knows_what_real_islam_is.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/05/lawrence_odonnell_obama_went_back_800_years_ago_to_make_comparison_seems_to_be_saying_that_he_knows_what_real_islam_is.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 06, 2015, 09:57:47 PM
my neighbor(who has shown me video of him killing taliban from 500yds with an m14 :sdeek:) was a marine and is very conservative. he has told me several times that those guys don't give a crap about religion, it's just a tool for them to gain some power.

edit: i can't believe i didn't make this comment earlier.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2015, 10:36:41 PM

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in the process, the president seems to be saying that he knows what real Islam is, he knows that there is such a thing as real Islam, and that he can tell you -- I want Asra to respond to this, professor we'll come to you after that -- and that he can tell you what it is, and that is a frequent mistake that people who have not been very highly educated in religion make, thinking that there is an identifiable, real version of any religion.

BAD MORAL EQUIVALENCY
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 06, 2015, 11:29:19 PM
You shouldn't have to justify using the terms Muslim-extremism and terrorism (I hate that word, for different reasons) by pointing out that not all muslims are terrorists or extremists.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 07, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

culture
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on February 07, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Jordan Muslims bombing devil ISIS.  Trying to prove the religion is not wacko.  It is interesting the King of Jordan used the term Muslim and not Islam.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

culture

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Culture
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Can't discuss moral equivalency, fellas.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
Drop in and take an indefensible position (typically regurgitated drivel), smugly declare it's correct, scour Google to find rando self serving article, pout when you get ridiculed for being a moron, latch onto a a phrase and make butthurt cynical comments, rinse and repeat. The cycle of Michigancat pit posting.

 :zzz:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2015, 01:44:04 PM
I'm kind of hungover and looking for some low hanging pit fruit to snack on. Would one of the geographers please expand on their comments. Really move past the vaguery of "Cuz geography".

Thx
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 07, 2015, 01:54:41 PM
What did you drink fsd? Celebration or just regular ol' binging?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
What did you drink fsd? Celebration or just regular ol' binging?

I mean, regular ol' binging is always a celebraish. However, I think our host bought some cheap wine. Mild buzz, major headache
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
saying "it's geography" is admittedly overly simplistic. It's just georgraphy triggered the events that shaped the region.

Basically, a lack of known resources (geography) led the European powers to not take any interest in the Middle East until WWI (aside from the crusades), when it was the last place to conquer and they wanted to split up their WWI spoils . I'd suggest reading this to see how this happened and what happened next:

http://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Creation/dp/0805068848/ref=cm_lmf_tit_17

And after this read a book about the conflict the creation of Israel created along with oil money getting in the hands of the families the Europeans put in power. Geography is what triggered an incredibly complex and entangled web of factors (including religion) that led to a largely uneducated group of people easily influenced by people with a lot of money. There's a reason the vast, vast majority of Muslims in Europe, Asia, and the Americas are peaceful and most terrorists come from small specific regions.

In short, Islam is definitely a factor, but definitely not THE factor. The history of the region is far too complex to be a single issue. Geography in my opinion is the factor that was there first and started it all.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 07, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
saying "it's geography" is admittedly overly simplistic. It's just georgraphy triggered the events that shaped the region.

Basically, a lack of known resources (geography) led the European powers to not take any interest in the Middle East until WWI (aside from the crusades), when it was the last place to conquer and they wanted to split up their WWI spoils . I'd suggest reading this to see how this happened and what happened next:

http://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Creation/dp/0805068848/ref=cm_lmf_tit_17

And after this read a book about the conflict the creation of Israel created along with oil money getting in the hands of the families the Europeans put in power. Geography is what triggered an incredibly complex and entangled web of factors (including religion) that led to a largely uneducated group of people easily influenced by people with a lot of money. There's a reason the vast, vast majority of Muslims in Europe, Asia, and the Americas are peaceful and most terrorists come from small specific regions.

In short, Islam is definitely a factor, but definitely not THE factor. The history of the region is far too complex to be a single issue. Geography in my opinion is the factor that was there first and started it all.

I mean, if by "geography" you're referring to everywhere on earth with a high concentration of Muslims, then I guess you're right... Has nothing to with Islam being founded by a conquering warlord as opposed to a pacifist hippie.  :whistle1:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2015, 09:57:17 PM
saying "it's geography" is admittedly overly simplistic. It's just georgraphy triggered the events that shaped the region.

Basically, a lack of known resources (geography) led the European powers to not take any interest in the Middle East until WWI (aside from the crusades), when it was the last place to conquer and they wanted to split up their WWI spoils . I'd suggest reading this to see how this happened and what happened next:

http://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Creation/dp/0805068848/ref=cm_lmf_tit_17

And after this read a book about the conflict the creation of Israel created along with oil money getting in the hands of the families the Europeans put in power. Geography is what triggered an incredibly complex and entangled web of factors (including religion) that led to a largely uneducated group of people easily influenced by people with a lot of money. There's a reason the vast, vast majority of Muslims in Europe, Asia, and the Americas are peaceful and most terrorists come from small specific regions.

In short, Islam is definitely a factor, but definitely not THE factor. The history of the region is far too complex to be a single issue. Geography in my opinion is the factor that was there first and started it all.

I mean, if by "geography" you're referring to everywhere on earth with a high concentration of Muslims, then I guess you're right... Has nothing to with Islam being founded by a conquering warlord as opposed to a pacifist hippie.  :whistle1:
Indonesia doesn't have near the terrorism problem Yemen has, for example.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 07, 2015, 10:30:21 PM
I would say that if that part of the world was primarily christian, the Protestants, catholics and orthodox would be sectarian violencing one another the way the sunni/shia go at it today
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2015, 10:39:01 PM
I would say that if that part of the world was primarily christian, the Protestants, catholics and orthodox would be sectarian violencing one another the way the sunni/shia go at it today
Northern Ireland
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 07, 2015, 10:40:19 PM
I mean, as in the shear level of violence.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2015, 10:43:04 PM
Well, yeah
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2015, 10:43:17 PM
I think the violence can be attributed to poverty which I think has been mentioned. 

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2015, 11:56:37 PM
I'd say it's due to poor education. It's easy to convince illiterate people to kill for god.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2015, 12:00:49 AM
I would say that if that part of the world was primarily christian, the Protestants, catholics and orthodox would be sectarian violencing one another the way the sunni/shia go at it today

They would all hate the Jews, too. And by extension, America.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 08, 2015, 12:01:58 AM
of course
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
So so far we've got...
1. GEOGRAPHY!
2. Lack of trade and resources (or too much?)
3. Poverty
4. Lack of education
5. Oppression
6. "Western" Meddling
7. Corruption
...
999. Islam (or more correctly a bastardizatiom of a beautiful peaceful religion - founded by a conquering warlord).

Well I'm convinced.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 08, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
I appreciate michigancat's effort, but he ultimately concludes that it's the religious factions taking advantage of destitute people, which is to agree with everyone he is disagreeing with.  Saying that geography is to blame for the religious based terrorism is as tangential and lazy as blaming it on geology or gravity.  If anything, the religion (muslim, not just the extremist factions) is to blame for the socioeconomic demographics of that region. Obviously all of the flaws of the religion, past and present, were omitted from the analysis

I don't understand the lefts need to go  through these mental gymnastics to deflect blame and accountability. That goes for a lot if issues, not just terrorism.. It's the worst kind of political post hoc rationalization.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 08, 2015, 09:31:29 AM
The Mormons seem to be doing okay with their crap geography
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 08, 2015, 09:42:12 AM
It's because it's cultural.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 08, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
Do you guys think the puritans will militarize and return to England to reclaim their holy land, and precious natural resources?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 08, 2015, 10:02:03 AM
As far as violence goes, the two most violent religions are clearly muslim and communism. Geography be damned.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 11:20:06 AM


So so far we've got...
1. GEOGRAPHY!
2. Lack of trade and resources (or too much?)
3. Poverty
4. Lack of education
5. Oppression
6. "Western" Meddling
7. Corruption
...
999. Islam (or more correctly a bastardizatiom of a beautiful peaceful religion - founded by a conquering warlord).

Well I'm convinced.

I guess if my post was too difficult for you to understand there's no way you'll handle a book.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 08, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
Just because it's in a book (or on a webpage) doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 08, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
that's very true FSD
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 07:49:45 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2015, 08:15:48 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2015, 08:27:42 PM
So so far we've got...
1. GEOGRAPHY!
2. Lack of trade and resources (or too much?)
3. Poverty
4. Lack of education
5. Oppression
6. "Western" Meddling
7. Corruption
...
999. Islam (or more correctly a bastardizatiom of a beautiful peaceful religion - founded by a conquering warlord).

Well I'm convinced.

It's a highly valuable region with more corruption than stability. The religion is irrelevant. It's just low hanging fruit to recruit the illiterate masses to do evil.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 09:27:38 PM


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 09:32:07 PM


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?

See post above. I'm saying that Islam would have never even made it off the launching pad were it not for violent conquest. Christianity, on the other hand, spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 09:35:27 PM


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?

Also, you keep saying stupid stuff, and when I call you on it, you just switch to something else.

Rusty: Islam wasn't any more violent than any other religion until the last 100 years or so, maybe less.
Me: That is, from a factual perspective, complete bullshit. Here is the proof.
Rusty: Well ok, but Christianity was spread by conquest, too.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
If you think that those two links prove one religion is significantly more violent than another, there's no point in having a discussion with you.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 08, 2015, 09:54:34 PM
If you think that those two links prove one religion is significantly more violent than another, there's no point in having a discussion with you.

Ok. To your credit, at least you've stopped digging.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2015, 10:04:33 PM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2015, 10:17:12 PM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

Maybe somebody should have told that to Charlemagne.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2015, 11:37:57 PM
Yes, in our modern world it is clearly the Christians that are to blame.  You know, because of the Crusades.

No, the Christians deserve roughly 0% of the blame.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 09, 2015, 01:13:08 AM
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

The problem is you're using the bible as a reference guide..

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 09, 2015, 01:15:45 AM
I appreciate michigancat's effort, but he ultimately concludes that it's the religious factions taking advantage of destitute people, which is to agree with everyone he is disagreeing with.  Saying that geography is to blame for the religious based terrorism is as tangential and lazy as blaming it on geology or gravity.  If anything, the religion (muslim, not just the extremist factions) is to blame for the socioeconomic demographics of that region. Obviously all of the flaws of the religion, past and present, were omitted from the analysis

I don't understand the lefts need to go  through these mental gymnastics to deflect blame and accountability. That goes for a lot if issues, not just terrorism.. It's the worst kind of political post hoc rationalization.

I think those who were upheld by the west used religion as a tool to control the masses.  The masses haven't had much progress in the Middle East and when people are illiterate, starving, and oppressed they tend to cling on to radical ideals.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
The people who think the religious violence is a circumstance of geography are the same people who locked step and followed along with the story that Benghazi was the result of an insensitive [western] YouTube video. So, you know the naivete is strong with these people. They are dutiful soldiers of the left in all of its misinformation glory.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
I think this has as much to do with the rise in Middle Eastern terrorism as anything else does.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/05/0518_crescent.html

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21573158-waters-babylon-are-running-dry-less-fertile-crescent
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 09, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on February 09, 2015, 09:09:47 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2015, 10:23:59 AM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 09, 2015, 10:43:39 AM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. the point is not whether a religion has ever been spread through conquest. Islam would not exist without violence and conquest. It saturates the Koran because the Koran was created in large part by Muhammed, a conquering (and pedophile, but that's beside the point) warlord. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is founded on the Gospels of Jesus and therefore spread peacefully for centuries.

To suggest that Islam is a "religion of peace" or that it plays no greater role in promoting terrorism than any other religion is absurd. Now, if you want to go ahead and concede those points but argue that other factors play a greater role in promoting terrorism, fine. I still disagree, but it's not an argument I'm terribly interested in.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 09, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. the point is not whether a religion has ever been spread through conquest. Islam would not exist without violence and conquest. It saturates the Koran because the Koran was created in large part by Muhammed, a conquering (and pedophile, but that's beside the point) warlord. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is founded on the Gospels of Jesus and therefore spread peacefully for centuries.
South America wouldn't be Catholic without Pizarro. It's weird that you think every Muslim was conquering for Allah and not wealth and power. You are ignoring the humanity of your enemy. (clearly that is how some people view this, as an Us vs. Them)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2015, 10:49:37 AM


What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. the point is not whether a religion has ever been spread through conquest. Islam would not exist without violence and conquest. It saturates the Koran because the Koran was created in large part by Muhammed, a conquering (and pedophile, but that's beside the point) warlord. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is founded on the Gospels of Jesus and therefore spread peacefully for centuries.

My point is that Christianity has practiced similar amounts of violence in the name of Christianity throughout its  history overall (there have been ebbs and flows). I don't care about their doctrine or how they were established.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 09, 2015, 12:01:53 PM
has anyone here read the koran? i've read 10 or so paragraphs and a few select verses.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on February 09, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
has anyone here read the koran? i've read 10 or so paragraphs and a few select verses.

Obviously dax has.  A person couldn't possibly make a statement as he did above without having read it firsthand.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 09, 2015, 03:06:43 PM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Did European settlers  spread their religion peacefully across the United States?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 09, 2015, 03:13:20 PM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Did European settlers  spread their religion peacefully across the United States?

European settlers did not settle the United States peacefully, though I'm not sure it really had anything to do with Christianity. Again, the libtards are dodging the point that Islam was founded based on expansion through violence. Not so with Christianity. Your attempts to equate Christianity to Islam are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Mr Bread on February 09, 2015, 03:22:42 PM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Did European settlers  spread their religion peacefully across the United States?

European settlers did not settle the United States peacefully, though I'm not sure it really had anything to do with Christianity. Again, the libtards are dodging the point that Islam was founded based on expansion through violence. Not so with Christianity. Your attempts to equate Christianity to Islam are ridiculous.

If the christians started out nonviolent and passive, what happened to them to make them do the bad things they did?  I mean the muslims didn't have a choice is what you're saying.  It's the bedrock principle of their religion. 

Conquest and pedophilia from such a morally pure starting point?  What gives? 

Does that make them worse because they were taught better?  Seems like it might.  Like muslim extremists are indoctrinated to be violent lunatics, but bad christians are just inherently awful people.  #pastriesforthought
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on February 09, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
I think the ancient Greeks did religion the best.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 04:21:14 PM
We've drifted a long, long ways from the facts of today.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Did European settlers  spread their religion peacefully across the United States?

European settlers did not settle the United States peacefully, though I'm not sure it really had anything to do with Christianity. Again, the libtards are dodging the point that Islam was founded based on expansion through violence. Not so with Christianity. Your attempts to equate Christianity to Islam are ridiculous.

Christianity would be almost nonexistent today without expansion through conquest.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 09:27:19 PM
Facts vs. Conjecture is a libtard favorite
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 10, 2015, 04:03:09 AM
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
Did European settlers  spread their religion peacefully across the United States?

European settlers did not settle the United States peacefully, though I'm not sure it really had anything to do with Christianity. Again, the libtards are dodging the point that Islam was founded based on expansion through violence. Not so with Christianity. Your attempts to equate Christianity to Islam are ridiculous.

Maybe there  is a difference in the writings of each religion but the great similarity between the two is the thirst for power and control.   
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 10, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
eff these ISIS assholes. It's time to kick their rough ridin' asses in.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: OregonSmock on February 10, 2015, 09:43:37 AM
I'm so sick of liberals pretending like this ISIS bullshit has nothing to do with Islam, or that anyone who is critical of radical Islam is saying that all Muslims are evil people.  It's such a ridiculous argument.  There are twice as many British citizens fighting for ISIS as there are for the British armed forces.  Thousands of educated, otherwise normal European Muslims are crossing the Turkish border into Syria to fight for the Islamic State, and it's not because they're some overly oppressed group of poor kids.  Islamic fundamentalism is playing a huge role in this crisis.  And again, that's not to say that all Muslims are bad people.  It's simply calling a spade a spade.  ISIS explicitly quotes the Qu'ran and follows strict Islamic doctrine, and in their view, they're practicing a purified, literal interpretation of Islam. 

And seriously, don't even get me started on the other atrocities that are taking place in the Middle East and in Africa.  98% of Somalian women have had their clitoris removed.  Gay people in the Middle East have been thrown from high-story buildings and beaten to death by mobs.  Honor killings take place on a daily basis, along with beheadings and other barbaric nonsense.  Majorities of Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt support the death penalty for leaving the religion.  This stuff isn't just isolated to a tiny faction of extremists.  It's a growing problem that people need to take seriously, and anyone who considers themselves a liberal should be appalled and sickened by the vast oppression and savagery that has taken place in the name of Islam. 
Title: Re: Terrible Things Done In The Name Of Religion (Now Open To All Religions!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 10, 2015, 09:56:43 AM
I need to research how, why and if radical Islam is filtering in from Eastern Europe.  Particularly from the Balkanized regions.

It seems to be spreading peacefully, just like Christianity in its early days.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Kat Kid on February 10, 2015, 10:10:24 AM
I'm so sick of liberals pretending like this ISIS bullshit has nothing to do with Islam, or that anyone who is critical of radical Islam is saying that all Muslims are evil people.  It's such a ridiculous argument.  There are twice as many British citizens fighting for ISIS as there are for the British armed forces.  Thousands of educated, otherwise normal European Muslims are crossing the Turkish border into Syria to fight for the Islamic State, and it's not because they're some overly oppressed group of poor kids.  Islamic fundamentalism is playing a huge role in this crisis.  And again, that's not to say that all Muslims are bad people.  It's simply calling a spade a spade.  ISIS explicitly quotes the Qu'ran and follows strict Islamic doctrine, and in their view, they're practicing a purified, literal interpretation of Islam. 

And seriously, don't even get me started on the other atrocities that are taking place in the Middle East and in Africa. 98% of Somalian women have had their clitoris removed.  Gay people in the Middle East have been thrown from high-story buildings and beaten to death by mobs.  Honor killings take place on a daily basis, along with beheadings and other barbaric nonsense.  Majorities of Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt support the death penalty for leaving the religion.  This stuff isn't just isolated to a tiny faction of extremists.  It's a growing problem that people need to take seriously, and anyone who considers themselves a liberal should be appalled and sickened by the vast oppression and savagery that has taken place in the name of Islam.

I am with you on some of this stuff, but this is an African thing, not a Muslim thing.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 10, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
Islamic extremism is absolutely the fault of Islam. It's a core tenant in fundamentalism. To say otherwise is stupid, and not really worth debating. I don't give a crap what other atrocities have been committed behind other beliefs or non-beliefs in the past.

These assholes need to be dealt with.
^read the quran
Title: Re: Terrible Things Done In The Name Of Religion (Now Open To All Religions!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 10, 2015, 10:24:49 AM
Islamic extremism is absolutely the fault of Islam. It's a core tenant in fundamentalism. To say otherwise is stupid, and not really worth debating. I don't give a crap what other atrocities have been committed behind other beliefs or non-beliefs in the past.

These assholes need to be dealt with.

I think it's the fault of the extremists.
Title: Re: Terrible Things Done In The Name Of Religion (Now Open To All Religions!)
Post by: nicname on February 10, 2015, 10:35:31 AM
Islamic extremism is absolutely the fault of Islam. It's a core tenant in fundamentalism. To say otherwise is stupid, and not really worth debating. I don't give a crap what other atrocities have been committed behind other beliefs or non-beliefs in the past.

These assholes need to be dealt with.

I think it's the fault of the extremists.

Yes, poorly worded. Extremism and fundamentalism go hand in hand.

It's still time to kick these assholes' asses in. And this is coming from somebody who thinks meddling in the Middle East is generally bad.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 11:53:11 AM
To be fair to the libtards, ISIS and other islamo-groups wouldn't be able to travel around murdering and "ethnically cleansing" woman, nor set up arenas to publicly stone homosexuals and wives desirable to other men, without GEOGRAPHY.

So stupid.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 10, 2015, 11:54:18 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130801242
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
If there was ever a unique situation about all this extremism, it's that powerful people are manipulating the poor and stupid for their own gain. You never see that in places with kickin geography. Never. Ever. Neverever.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 10, 2015, 01:03:32 PM
Guys, we've been over this. Islam is no more violent than Christianity, despite the supposed differences in the teachings of Jesus and Muhhamed. #BECAUSECRUSADES. #BECAUSEGEOGRAPHY.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 10, 2015, 01:11:24 PM
If there was ever a unique situation about all this extremism, it's that powerful people are manipulating the poor and stupid for their own gain. You never see that in places with kickin geography. Never. Ever. Neverever.

Guys, we've been over this. Islam is no more violent than Christianity, despite the supposed differences in the teachings of Jesus and Muhhamed. #BECAUSECRUSADES. #BECAUSEGEOGRAPHY.

:lol: you guys
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 03:09:33 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 10, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/french-artists-calls-for-peace-end-in-brutal-beating-by-local-muslims/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/french-artists-calls-for-peace-end-in-brutal-beating-by-local-muslims/)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 10, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
It wasn't long ago that white christian men were bombing churches and beating blacks on the street.   

It the same crap, different decade, different extremist. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 11, 2015, 12:31:01 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 16, 2015, 04:11:34 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11413226/Copenhagen-shooting-during-debate-on-Islam.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11413226/Copenhagen-shooting-during-debate-on-Islam.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on February 16, 2015, 08:53:15 AM
How much if must suck to be a Muslim around the world that doesn't support such actions. :frown:

#TheWesIsTheFuture

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on February 16, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
man every time a radical muslim kills somebody, how hard do dax & co party? champagne, high fives, the works, wow
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 16, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Obamaflection: a defense mechanism employed by a libtard when reminded of how shitty of a president Obama is. Accusations of satisfaction derived from the pain and suffering imparted by Obama's failed policies, blaming vague and undefined extrinsic forces, such as macro-factors or geography, for such failures, and the pervasive use of poorly designed excel charts and self-serving editorials are all common identifiers of Obamaflection.

Those afflicted with Obamapathy, a sub-sociopathic mental disorder, often exhibit rampant Obamaflection antisocial behavior. Other symptoms include rectal trauma, incoherent babbling, loss of cognitive ability and become divorced from reality.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on February 16, 2015, 01:51:23 PM
whatcha talkin about, FaSuDi?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 16, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 16, 2015, 07:26:04 PM
Is this where we talk about the 21 Christian Egyptians that were beheaded? Probably deserving members of the KKK, so no biggie.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on February 16, 2015, 08:45:28 PM
the video is pretty gross
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 16, 2015, 08:46:50 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long
very interesting read.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Is it impeachable to have invoked a policy that ultimately created a borderless Islamic military complex that thrives in countries that that this administration has either overthrown the existing government or at minimum destabilized the nation state(s)?

Many wanted Bush impeached . . . regime change is regime change whether it's at the of barrel of an M1 tank, with drones and operatives on the ground or via proxy.





bush is already out of office
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
so you can't impeach Bush
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
I don't think he understands you mich
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 17, 2015, 11:59:27 AM
give dax credit for hating liberals more than he hates muslims.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
what if dax met a liberal muslim who went to KU?  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 17, 2015, 01:01:45 PM
Who immigrated from mexico  :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 17, 2015, 09:27:51 PM
give dax credit for hating liberals more than he hates muslims.

I'm put off by your hatred of christians, Dax, Jews and conservatives. It's uncomfortable for everyone posting
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 17, 2015, 11:39:09 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long
very interesting read.

Yes, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on February 18, 2015, 01:43:36 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long
very interesting read.

good link.
Yes, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 08:42:03 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/man-stabs-people-after-asking-if-they-are-muslim_n_6701614.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/man-stabs-people-after-asking-if-they-are-muslim_n_6701614.html)

Oh no - ANTI-MUSLIM BACKLASH!! :runaway:

Except that if you actually read the article, the attacker was Muslim, and he was checking to see if his victims were Muslim (they were not) before stabbing them. Just another fine example of misleading headlines propagated by the libtard media.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 08:47:42 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long
very interesting read.

good link.
Yes, thanks for posting.

Ok, so now that you've all read an article in The Atlantic, you all agree with me that not all religions are equally peaceful and Islam is a significant factor in terrorism? We're done with the "because geography" and "because too little (or too much) resources and trade" arguments? Welcome aboard.  :cheers:

Quote
We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature. Peter Bergen, who produced the first interview with bin Laden in 1997, titled his first book Holy War, Inc. in part to acknowledge bin Laden as a creature of the modern secular world. Bin Laden corporatized terror and franchised it out. He requested specific political concessions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia. His foot soldiers navigated the modern world confidently. On Mohammad Atta’s last full day of life, he shopped at Walmart and ate dinner at Pizza Hut.

There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.

The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

These people are simply following the literal teachings of the founder of their religion, a conquering warlord. Anybody still want to argue whether the world would be a far better place if these same people followed the literal teachings of Jesus instead?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2015, 09:06:55 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.

Yeah, I read it. Do you think the Phelps clan protests funerals because they actually believe God hates America and gays?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 18, 2015, 09:17:21 AM
KSU how many ISIS adherents do you think there are there in the world
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 09:25:14 AM
KSU how many ISIS adherents do you think there are there in the world

I'm estimating of course, but I'd say too many.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 18, 2015, 09:33:12 AM
give dax credit for hating liberals more than he hates muslims.

I'm put off by your hatred of christians, Dax, Jews and conservatives. It's uncomfortable for everyone posting

hmm. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34517.msg1316568#msg1316568)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 18, 2015, 11:17:55 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.

Yeah, I read it. Do you think the Phelps clan protests funerals because they actually believe God hates America and gays?

I think they actually believe it, and they are very much like ISIS without the murder and war.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2015, 11:20:11 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.

Yeah, I read it. Do you think the Phelps clan protests funerals because they actually believe God hates America and gays?

I think they actually believe it, and they are very much like ISIS without the murder and war.

I think they just want to make the news so crazy people will show up to their church and donate them money.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 18, 2015, 11:38:39 AM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.

Yeah, I read it. Do you think the Phelps clan protests funerals because they actually believe God hates America and gays?

I think they actually believe it, and they are very much like ISIS without the murder and war.

I think they just want to make the news so crazy people will show up to their church and donate them money.

I don't think you're very familiar with Fred Phelps' history. He absolutely believed it, and his brainwashed cult followers believe it too. (And while we're making that comparison, by the way, note that as crazy as the WBC cult is, they're not murdering people or setting off bombs - the worst they do is picket funerals and behave like jackasses).
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on February 18, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
KSU how many ISIS adherents do you think there are there in the world

I'm estimating of course, but I'd say too many.


tap out
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 04:54:17 PM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Ok, so you didn't read the Atlantic article, either. Continue your denial.

Yeah, I read it. Do you think the Phelps clan protests funerals because they actually believe God hates America and gays?

I think they actually believe it, and they are very much like ISIS without the murder and war.

I think they just want to make the news so crazy people will show up to their church and donate them money.

I don't think you're very familiar with Fred Phelps' history. He absolutely believed it, and his brainwashed cult followers believe it too. (And while we're making that comparison, by the way, note that as crazy as the WBC cult is, they're not murdering people or setting off bombs - the worst they do is picket funerals and behave like jackasses).

While generally those that lead similar religious movements, are at least somewhat simply using religion as a tool, I believe K-S-U is right here. The people in charge of the ISIS seem of a different breed. I would also agree that Fred Phelps believes what he preaches as well.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
The rank and file believe, the guys pointing them towards the front and using that fact.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 18, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Surely you see the absurdity in this reasoning. It belies the fact that the crusade is religious in nature, and presumes it's easier to manipulate poor people with religious indoctrination than cash money.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: nicname on February 18, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
The rank and file believe, the guys pointing them towards the front and using that fact.

Regularly, yes. I think this is different. Everything that we've seen points to a strict adherence to early Islamic law. Throw in that the caliphate seems to see the West as secondary, and there is little if any political ideology involved, and it seems markedly different. Add in that they view Christians and Jews less sternly than "wayward Muslims" and it's not at all seemingly the same.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2015, 10:23:49 PM
The people in charge do not care about Islam, K-S-U. They are using religion as a tool to recruit uneducated Islamic people, and doing quite well at that. It's similar to how most medieval European kings really didn't care at all about Catholicism.

Surely you see the absurdity in this reasoning. It belies the fact that the crusade is religious in nature, and presumes it's easier to manipulate poor people with religious indoctrination than cash money.

Cash money works better, but it's a whole lot harder to obtain than a Quran.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on February 18, 2015, 11:20:14 PM
Ok, so now that you've all read an article in The Atlantic, you all agree with me that not all religions are equally peaceful and Islam is a significant factor in terrorism? We're done with the "because geography" and "because too little (or too much) resources and trade" arguments? Welcome aboard.  :cheers:

i think you're mixing up in your mind the libtards that commented on the article and the libtards you were arguing with earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 19, 2015, 01:59:13 PM
Obama's strategy for defeating ISIS is... exactly what you would expect from an empty-suit, media-obsessed, community organizer. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html)

"You gotta get cooler, man! Twitter, Hashtags, Facebook, Social Media! Hell, I suckered an entire generation to vote for me based on a dopey three-word slogan!"
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2015, 02:02:49 PM
I love reading K-S-U's summaries and comparing them to the actual articles
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Headinjun on February 19, 2015, 02:53:14 PM
Obama's strategy for defeating ISIS is... exactly what you would expect from an empty-suit, media-obsessed, community organizer. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html)

"You gotta get cooler, man! Twitter, Hashtags, Facebook, Social Media! Hell, I suckered an entire generation to vote for me based on a dopey three-word slogan!"

Do you think you could have a beer with him?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 19, 2015, 03:24:47 PM
Why don't you two just admit B.O. is acting like a rough ridin' idiot?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 19, 2015, 03:54:54 PM
Obama's strategy for defeating ISIS is... exactly what you would expect from an empty-suit, media-obsessed, community organizer. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/11421767/Barack-Obama-Muslim-elders-too-boring-to-win-Isil-propaganda-war.html)

"You gotta get cooler, man! Twitter, Hashtags, Facebook, Social Media! Hell, I suckered an entire generation to vote for me based on a dopey three-word slogan!"

Do you think you could have a beer with him?

#totally
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2015, 03:08:03 PM
(http://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/02/Jobs-for-ISIS-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2015, 03:09:53 PM
(http://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/02/Hassan-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
(http://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/02/Mohammad-Pedophile-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 21, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
(http://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/02/Obama-Get-Covered-copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 21, 2015, 05:26:03 PM
that last one is pretty lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on February 22, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
(http://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2015/02/Mohammad-Pedophile-copy.jpg)


 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2015, 02:23:01 PM
So if you google it he actually did marry a 6 year old and have sex with her when she turned 9.   :surprised:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
So if you google it he actually did marry a 6 year old and have sex with her when she turned 9.   :surprised:

Yes he did. And this is Islam's version of Jesus. Makes you think.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
I'm def not joining Isis anymore
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 22, 2015, 03:26:43 PM
i imagine good christian men were rough ridin' kids on the reg back then too.  it was fairly acceptable
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
i imagine good christian men were rough ridin' kids on the reg back then too.  it was fairly acceptable

Mohammed was the prophet tho, not just a guy
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 22, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
well jesus was a virgin in his 30's so both kinda weirdos
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2015, 03:39:29 PM
well jesus was a virgin in his 30's so both kinda weirdos

Ummmm marrying a 6 year old is not kinda weird
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on February 22, 2015, 03:40:41 PM
yes, agreed
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on February 22, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
So if you google it he actually did marry a 6 year old and have sex with her when she turned 9.   :surprised:

Yes he did. And this is Islam's version of Jesus. Makes you think.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2015, 05:14:32 PM
i imagine good christian men were rough ridin' kids on the reg back then too.  it was fairly acceptable

Mohammed was the prophet tho, not just a guy

Pffft. Semantics. :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 22, 2015, 05:15:19 PM
So if you google it he actually did marry a 6 year old and have sex with her when she turned 9.   :surprised:

Yes he did. And this is Islam's version of Jesus. Makes you think.
:facepalm:

Good point Edna. Good point.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 22, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsluCjRd19A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsluCjRd19A)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2015, 07:53:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsluCjRd19A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsluCjRd19A)

What a bunch of dumbasses.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2015, 08:58:02 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/us-mideast-crisis-christians-idUSKBN0LS0MH20150224 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/us-mideast-crisis-christians-idUSKBN0LS0MH20150224)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 24, 2015, 09:04:39 AM
I lost the link so you'll have to take my word for it...

Australian intel. has documented 57 Aussie jihadis who've gone to Syria. 55 of those 57 were on some type of welfare program before leaving.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 24, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
I lost the link so you'll have to take my word for it...

Australian intel. has documented 57 Aussie jihadis who've gone to Syria. 55 of those 57 were on some type of welfare program before leaving.

Did it mention how many of them were first generation immigrants from primarily Muslim countries like Somalia and Indonesia? That would be interesting information.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2015, 10:04:07 AM
This changes everything.  Iran already has nukes.  Obama's weakness has finally resulted in the world at the whims of the mullahs.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/02/24/dissidents-iran-new-secret-nuclear-site/23946643/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/02/24/dissidents-iran-new-secret-nuclear-site/23946643/)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 25, 2015, 12:37:36 PM
What a joke we are. The whole muslim world is laughing at us.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Kat Kid on February 25, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Wait, looks like it was made up.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/25/1366697/-BREAKING-Amateur-hour-at-the-Pro-war-media-Latest-allegations-against-Iran-FABRICATED# (http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/25/1366697/-BREAKING-Amateur-hour-at-the-Pro-war-media-Latest-allegations-against-Iran-FABRICATED#)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 25, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
if a blogger on the Daily Koz named Florida Democrat says it's fake, it is.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on February 25, 2015, 06:46:50 PM
Like the mossad would allow Iran to get Nukes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on February 25, 2015, 06:56:29 PM
I want to fight ISIS guys.

#TheWesIsTheFuture

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 26, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
http://pamelageller.com/2015/02/jihadis-hack-to-death-noted-writer-scientist-and-thinker-avijit-roy-wife-injured.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://pamelageller.com/2015/02/jihadis-hack-to-death-noted-writer-scientist-and-thinker-avijit-roy-wife-injured.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on March 05, 2015, 10:20:19 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/11452114/Libya-chaos-deepens-as-Isil-strikes-threaten-to-halt-oil-production-and-government-bombs-Tripoli-airport.html

It's like, you know, someone almost wanted this to happen.
:surprised:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on March 05, 2015, 11:33:36 PM
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13931209001345

While the source needs to be questioned, this is not the first time non U.S. news/blogosphere entities etc.  Have accoused the U.S. and its partners of providing material support to the so called enemy.   Similar allegations were made in Afghanistan, and other entities and watchers claim that Yugoslavian made Soviet style weapons that were originally sold to Libya during the Gaddafi era were found in Syria, and they weren't sent there by the Gaddafi regime. 

Bogeymen are a necessary component of hegemony.



 

I love you dax
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 06, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
These kids these days with their Lady Gaga and ISIS vids, amiright? http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/05/inspired-by-isis-kids-in-yemen-set-fire-to-ten-year-old-boy-in-cage/ (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/05/inspired-by-isis-kids-in-yemen-set-fire-to-ten-year-old-boy-in-cage/)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 17, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/iran-sent-arms-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-us-says.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=%2ASituation%20Report&utm_campaign=Sit%20Rep%20March%2017%202015&_r=0

I think this is going to work out perfectly.

New working theory for Obama doctrine: All this chaos will ultimately cause all these different factions of assholes to forget who they're supposed to be fighting and why, thus finally leading to peace in the Middle East?

It has happened before. See the lesson of the Star-Belly Sneeches and Plain-Belly Sneeches who both thought they were the best Sneeches on the beaches...

(http://assets.goop.com/78/newimg-Sneetches_inside.jpg)

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 21, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
JFC you weirdos

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/20/asia/afghanistan-woman-killed/index.html

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 21, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
how dare that woman be accused of burning the koran
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 21, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
how dare that woman be accused of burning the koran

accused?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
My God.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 24, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Libya-Growing ISIS/ISIL contol
Yemen-AQ vs ISIS/ISIL battle for control
Syria/Iraq-AQ, Iran and ISIS/ISIL battle for contol
Egypt-Obama administration wants return of Muslim Brotherhood, just leveled sanctions against current government, hosted MB at State Department.

You decide . . .

The fruits of a "smart" foreign policy, brought to you by a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and the Secretary of State who wants to be the next president, Hillary Clinton. They're just so smart, you know?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 24, 2015, 09:17:23 AM
Libya-Growing ISIS/ISIL contol
Yemen-AQ vs ISIS/ISIL battle for control
Syria/Iraq-AQ, Iran and ISIS/ISIL battle for contol

Egypt-Obama administration wants return of Muslim Brotherhood, just leveled sanctions against current government, hosted MB at State Department.

You decide . . .

I am cool with both these.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on March 24, 2015, 09:36:54 AM
Well, it's something

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32034036
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 24, 2015, 10:01:38 AM
To call B.O.'s foreign policy an unmitigated disaster would be to call the lynching of that woman a domestic disturbance.

It's simply amazing he hasn't gotten one thing right, even by accident.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 24, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
To call B.O.'s foreign policy an unmitigated disaster would be to call the lynching of that woman a domestic disturbance.

It's simply amazing he hasn't gotten one thing right, even by accident.

Yes, he seems to be disproving the "even a broken clock..." axiom.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 24, 2015, 12:26:20 PM
his actions seem to indicate that he would prefer the entire middle east and northern africa be under radical islamic control.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 24, 2015, 12:40:11 PM
his actions seem to indicate that he would prefer the entire middle east and northern africa be under radical islamic control.

Or that he doesn't really care. Seriously, the overarching Obama doctrine seems to be "get this off my desk."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on March 26, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
i like when the neocons have conversations with each other
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 26, 2015, 04:00:18 PM
i like when the neocons have conversations with each other

I like when Dax has conversations with himself
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 08:04:25 PM
I like it when the libtards try to distract from what a huge embarrassing failure their president and deity is.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 26, 2015, 08:06:14 PM
I also like how they call people racist and bigots while saying bigoted thing about other groups of people. It's like, don't you know how ignorant you look. Oh yeah, you dont, because your a sheltered, indoctrinated lemming.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2015, 08:11:27 PM
You're*

Pffft lol.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2015, 09:46:04 AM
Shot up a college in Kenya.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 03, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Shot up a college in Kenya.

Probably just workplace violence, tho.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Shot up a college in Kenya.

Probably just workplace violence, tho.

I approached this thread very middle on the issue but you have gotten me swayed pretty well.  must admit
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on April 03, 2015, 11:19:12 AM
You're*

Pffft lol.
thank you so much for that
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on April 05, 2015, 02:42:02 PM
One of the i-net news outlets reported due to poor hygiene in ISIS camps and the refusal to see a doctor when one is available, flesh eating parasites on ISIS fighters and their cadre of kook followers and comfort women are reach epidemic levels.  Eating the meat to the bone.  The parasites are spread by sand flies.  To think a fly is defeating these nuts instead of Obama.  Is this a plague from God or a sinister CIA plot?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 06, 2015, 08:57:15 AM
One of the i-net news outlets reported due to poor hygiene in ISIS camps and the refusal to see a doctor when one is available, flesh eating parasites on ISIS fighters and their cadre of kook followers and comfort women are reach epidemic levels.  Eating the meat to the bone.  The parasites are spread by sand flies.  To think a fly is defeating these nuts instead of Obama.  Is this a plague from God or a sinister CIA plot?

Both
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: BringBackEcoKat on April 06, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
We should just leave the Muslims alone. Like all religions, there are some extremists, but is ISIS really any worse than Christian extremists, like the Westboro baptist church?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 06, 2015, 11:04:17 PM
We should just leave the Muslims alone. Like all religions, there are some extremists, but is ISIS really any worse than Christian extremists, like the Westboro baptist church?

Hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on April 07, 2015, 08:53:00 AM
We should just leave the Muslims alone. Like all religions, there are some extremists, but is ISIS really any worse than Christian extremists, like the Westboro baptist church?

Yes. Yes, they are. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 07, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
Can some of the more experience libtard trolls give these newbies a lesson in how to do it right?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Mr Bread on April 07, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
We should just leave the Muslims alone. Like all religions, there are some extremists, but is ISIS really any worse than Christian extremists, like the Westboro baptist church?

Yes. Yes, they are.

Saying hateful things to people is basically the same as kidnapping and torturing them and then cutting their heads off or burning them alive.  Apples to apples, bud.  Like maybe gala to pink lady, but same fruit.   
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 16, 2015, 02:50:53 PM
The Muslims decided to drown some Christians. http://news.yahoo.com/aid-agency-says-41-migrants-feared-dead-sea-142032667.html (http://news.yahoo.com/aid-agency-says-41-migrants-feared-dead-sea-142032667.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2015, 02:53:21 PM
Quote
The survivors said they had boarded a rubber boat April 14 on the Libyan coast with 105 passengers aboard

holy crap!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on April 24, 2015, 10:49:55 PM
just watched the isis ethiopian christians video from a few days ago  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on April 25, 2015, 07:59:41 AM
We should just leave the Muslims alone. Like all religions, there are some extremists, but is ISIS really any worse than Christian extremists, like the Westboro baptist church?
Evil everywhere must be confronted and brought to the light of day.  Christians andMuslims should work together to squish ISIS:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 04, 2015, 08:41:49 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

A rough ridin' Mohammad cartoon contest? rough ridin' really? Obviously these idiots shouldn't have showed up guns blazing, but this is exactly what the organizers wanted.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 04, 2015, 08:46:11 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-rebels-military/ar-BBj8De0 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-rebels-military/ar-BBj8De0)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

A rough ridin' Mohammad cartoon contest? rough ridin' really? Obviously these idiots shouldn't have showed up guns blazing, but this is exactly what the organizers wanted.

Yes, I think they made their point and the jihadists in America lived up to expectations.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 04, 2015, 09:20:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

A rough ridin' Mohammad cartoon contest? rough ridin' really? Obviously these idiots shouldn't have showed up guns blazing, but this is exactly what the organizers wanted.

Yes, I think they made their point and the jihadists in America lived up to expectations.

Religious extremists exist :surprised: no crap, learn something new everyday
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on May 04, 2015, 09:23:26 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-r
ebels-military/ar-BBj8De0
 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-r
ebels-military/ar-BBj8De0)

Usman and two others were allegedly killed in a fire-fight with a unit under a commander of the 109th base command of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 04, 2015, 09:25:06 AM
ppffffffftttttt
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 04, 2015, 09:28:43 AM
Puni I'm getting a runtime error on your link
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 04, 2015, 09:29:14 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

A rough ridin' Mohammad cartoon contest? rough ridin' really? Obviously these idiots shouldn't have showed up guns blazing, but this is exactly what the organizers wanted.

Yes, I think they made their point and the jihadists in America lived up to expectations.

Religious extremists exist :surprised: no crap, learn something new everyday

No doubt. This totally could have been a bunch of radical Christians. The Muslims only seem crazier. Because trade, I think. And the Crusades. There were some other reasons, too, I think. Need to go back and review this thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 04, 2015, 09:33:44 AM
Puni I'm getting a runtime error on your link

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-rebels-military/ar-BBj8De0 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/filipino-on-us-most-wanted-list-killed-rebels-military/ar-BBj8De0)

edited to fix

anyway, its a milf joke, dont get too excited
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 04, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 04, 2015, 10:23:16 AM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."

Or a Christian. Could just have easily been a radical Christian if they had a Jesus drawing contest.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2015, 10:48:53 AM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."

Or a Christian. Could just have easily been a radical Christian if they had a Jesus drawing contest.

I could see that happening with a bible burning contest or something similar.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2015, 11:17:40 AM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."

Or a Christian. Could just have easily been a radical Christian if they had a Jesus drawing contest.

I could see that happening with a bible burning contest or something similar.

I wonder if anyone would die if they put a Jesus on a cross in a jar of piss?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."

Or a Christian. Could just have easily been a radical Christian if they had a Jesus drawing contest.

I could see that happening with a bible burning contest or something similar.

I wonder if anyone would die if they put a Jesus on a cross in a jar of piss?

No, because the only people who would get pissed off about that to the point of killing people are also the only people gross enough to do something like that in the first place.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on May 04, 2015, 12:47:31 PM
Workplace violence
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 04, 2015, 12:57:40 PM
Workplace violence

So Obama has weighed in?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on May 04, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
what a great victory for conservative america
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 04, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
I tell cartoonists the same thing I tell gays, jews, and women, "you better knock that off or you're liable to get senselessly murdered by a muslim."

Or a Christian. Could just have easily been a radical Christian if they had a Jesus drawing contest.

I could see that happening with a bible burning contest or something similar.

I wonder if anyone would die if they put a Jesus on a cross in a jar of piss?

Oh definitely. In fact, ministers across the country would probably declare a jihad - or whatever the Christian word is for slaughtering the infidels responsbible for such an insulting act.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2015, 01:59:39 PM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 04, 2015, 02:00:38 PM
what was the winning drawing?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 04, 2015, 02:01:12 PM
what was the winning drawing?

i meant:   :worthless:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2015, 02:05:06 PM
what was the winning drawing?

Probably Mohammad floating in a jar of piss or something.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 04, 2015, 07:04:40 PM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

Yeah, the FBI should roll these contests out in lots of cities. Have SWAT at the ready. I like this idea.

Also, Brownback should do one of these just for giggles.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on May 04, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
great addition to the bill signing recreation
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 04, 2015, 10:09:09 PM
great addition to the bill signing recreation

Yes. And speaking of which, what is the Muslim position on abortion? I'm guessing it's generally frowned upon with a few exceptions, kind of like the mainstream exceptions here for "rape and incest," except more Muslim - like, "if it's a girl."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on May 04, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
why is that even an exception?  does jesus really think rape babies deserve to be murdered?  i know the bible is hardcore, but killing little fetuses is pretty messed up j-dawg
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 05, 2015, 08:40:41 AM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.

Didn't they shoot a cop?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 05, 2015, 10:57:51 AM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.

You think he's overdressed for gun battle with assault rifles?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 05, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
Didn't they shoot a cop?

they injured a security guard before getting stallone'd by the supercop
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
Didn't they shoot a cop?

they injured a security guard before getting stallone'd by the supercop

I'm pretty sure it was Judge Dredd himself.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2015, 11:51:56 PM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.

You think he's overdressed for gun battle with assault rifles?

I think he's dressed like someone who wasn't attending a simple exercise in free speech. I wonder how many of those idiots at this carton contest would look at a flag and bible burning contest as "just an expression of or first amendment rights?"
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 06, 2015, 02:08:55 AM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.

You think he's overdressed for gun battle with assault rifles?

I think he's dressed like someone who wasn't attending a simple exercise in free speech. I wonder how many of those idiots at this carton contest would look at a flag and bible burning contest as "just an expression of or first amendment rights?"

I don't think he was attending or participating in the cartoon contest. He probably expected jihadists to arrive with assault rifles blazing because that's what they do.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 07:43:00 AM
A Mohammad drawing contest really is a good way to hunt the most dangerous game legally, though. Using bait is somewhat unethical, but not knowing if they are going to have bombs, etc to go with their guns really levels the playing field.

The video of the guy telling people that there's an issue outside is hilarious. First of all he said "they shot a cop" ramping up the rhetoric even more. He was also definitely not dressed like someone attending a cartooning contest. He was dressed like a 10 year old boy would be if you gave him $5000 and told him to spend it on an outfit to play war in.

You think he's overdressed for gun battle with assault rifles?

I think he's dressed like someone who wasn't attending a simple exercise in free speech. I wonder how many of those idiots at this carton contest would look at a flag and bible burning contest as "just an expression of or first amendment rights?"

Did he provoke the fight? I'm still not getting the point you're trying to make.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 06, 2015, 08:14:32 AM
Not just jihadists but religious zealots in general. Yes, these idiots who put on this "cartoon contest" provoked the violence and if a cop had actually got hurt they would have blood on their hands. Again if a group decided to go to Texas and publicize a flag and bible burning contest they would be viewed by me as trouble making assholes. You can't do something to provoke anger then make yourself out to be victims. Of course the jihadists are complicit and are responsible for their own deaths but give me a break with the free speech crap.

Do you guys really not get this?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2015, 08:21:34 AM
There are some Byron David Smith parallels here.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 08:36:06 AM
Not just jihadists but religious zealots in general. Yes, these idiots who put on this "cartoon contest" provoked the violence and if a cop had actually got hurt they would have blood on their hands. Again if a group decided to go to Texas and publicize a flag and bible burning contest they would be viewed by me as trouble making assholes. You can't do something to provoke anger then make yourself out to be victims. Of course the jihadists are complicit and are responsible for their own deaths but give me a break with the free speech crap.

Do you guys really not get this?

:love: That's some quality libtardin right there! :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 06, 2015, 11:59:19 AM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.   
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 12:12:37 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.

I thought we were in agreement earlier that this is actually a great way to kill jihadis. Probably a LOT cheaper than drone strikes, too.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 06, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.

I thought we were in agreement earlier that this is actually a great way to kill jihadis. Probably a LOT cheaper than drone strikes, too.

Hold it in Yemen next time
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.

I thought we were in agreement earlier that this is actually a great way to kill jihadis. Probably a LOT cheaper than drone strikes, too.

Hold it in Yemen next time

:thumbs:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on May 06, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
You dumbasses understand that calling them troublemaking assholes isn't taking away their free speech, right?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 12:41:34 PM
You dumbasses understand that calling them troublemaking assholes isn't taking away their free speech, right?

Right. But I do think it goes a bit far to say that they "have blood on their hands." That sort of takes for granted that jihadi violence is a natural, predictable consequence to drawing a cartoon. I don't think we should just accept that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on May 06, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
You dumbasses understand that calling them troublemaking assholes isn't taking away their free speech, right?

Right. But I do think it goes a bit far to say that they "have blood on their hands." That sort of takes for granted that jihadi violence is a natural, predictable consequence to drawing a cartoon. I don't think we should just accept that.

what should we do? make jihadi violence illegal?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2015, 01:13:15 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.

I thought we were in agreement earlier that this is actually a great way to kill jihadis. Probably a LOT cheaper than drone strikes, too.

Well, yeah, but if I go to a Mohammad drawing contest, you can bet your ass that I'll be carrying my judge. Having the cops already on site to get the kills instead of me defeats the whole point of going.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 01:45:39 PM
provocative speech is the speech that really needs protection.

Oh, yeah, there should absolutely be zero government consequences for holding a Mohammad drawing contest. I'm not sure it's right to expect the government to send a bunch of police to the event to wait on the gun-toting mulsim to show up, though.

I thought we were in agreement earlier that this is actually a great way to kill jihadis. Probably a LOT cheaper than drone strikes, too.

Well, yeah, but if I go to a Mohammad drawing contest, you can bet your ass that I'll be carrying my judge. Having the cops already on site to get the kills instead of me defeats the whole point of going.

Or maybe it's a good idea to have the cops running interference for you at the front door, screening out the wannabes from the big game. I can see what they were going for.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 06, 2015, 03:12:09 PM
She's going to get what she deserves, I guess.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/isis-appears-threaten-pamela-geller-claims-militants-article-1.2211913 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/isis-appears-threaten-pamela-geller-claims-militants-article-1.2211913)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/194522_5_.jpg)

This is the drawing that won the contest.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
thats super boring
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on May 06, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
what's boring about a TALKING HAND???!!  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
we should start a thread where we bait extremists by drawing cartoons of exhalted figures

muhammed is kind of played out so i think wayne lapierrre is a good starting point
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
what's boring about a TALKING HAND???!!  :sdeek:

arby's did it
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 03:33:29 PM
what's boring about a TALKING HAND???!!  :sdeek:

arby's did it

hamburger helper did it
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 03:33:51 PM
addams family did not do it i guess
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2015, 03:34:29 PM
what's boring about a TALKING HAND???!!  :sdeek:

arby's did it

hamburger helper did it

Midas did it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on May 06, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
jeez, I wonder what the ones that lost were like
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 06, 2015, 04:11:21 PM
Can't believe the winner didn't make some reference to Mohammed being a pedophile.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 06, 2015, 04:12:11 PM
we should start a thread where we bait extremists by drawing cartoons of exhalted figures

muhammed is kind of played out so i think wayne lapierrre is a good starting point

It only works for Muhammad. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on May 06, 2015, 04:12:31 PM
Can't believe the winner didn't make some reference to Mohammed being a pedophile.

they obviously kept this competition above the belt
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on May 06, 2015, 04:22:36 PM
interview w/ the winner!

https://youtu.be/v52q0Z_nSEM?t=65


And the other entries!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/08/vote-now-for-your-favorite-muhammad-cartoon/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 06, 2015, 04:25:03 PM
this one is my favorite by a wide margin

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/04/spawn-of-mo-.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on May 06, 2015, 05:49:22 PM
You dumbasses understand that calling them troublemaking assholes isn't taking away their free speech, right?

Right. But I do think it goes a bit far to say that they "have blood on their hands." That sort of takes for granted that jihadi violence is a natural, predictable consequence to drawing a cartoon. I don't think we should just accept that.

Who is accepting that?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2015, 03:10:44 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/us/mohammed-cartoon-contest/index.html?sr=fb052915mohammedcartooncontest431aVODtopLink

Sensible anti-Muslims doing sensible things in Arizona this evening.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 29, 2015, 03:33:17 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/us/mohammed-cartoon-contest/index.html?sr=fb052915mohammedcartooncontest431aVODtopLink

Sensible anti-Muslims doing sensible things in Arizona this evening.

FIRE UP THE SWAT TEAM - LET'S BAG A FEW MORE TERRORISTS! :americanflagwavingmajestically:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2015, 03:46:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/us/mohammed-cartoon-contest/index.html?sr=fb052915mohammedcartooncontest431aVODtopLink

Sensible anti-Muslims doing sensible things in Arizona this evening.

FIRE UP THE SWAT TEAM - LET'S BAG A FEW MORE TERRORISTS! :americanflagwavingmajestically:

Their facebook page says they aren't going to have an after party. I'll bet a couple hundred of them get together for cake and punch somewhere, though. They just want to make sure the Muslims don't get any.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 29, 2015, 03:51:44 PM
i would draw a cartoon of muhammed being greeted by 72 starry eyed wayne lapierres in valhalla
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
i would draw a cartoon of muhammed being greeted by 72 starry eyed wayne lapierres in valhalla

I'd draw Mohammad with the chrome spray all over his face driving down Fury Road with Jesus blood bagged on the front of his car. Title it Mad Christ: Allah Road. Maybe even get Imperator Magdelosa in the frame somehow.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 29, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
i would draw a cartoon of muhammed being greeted by 72 starry eyed wayne lapierres in valhalla

I'd draw Mohammad with the chrome spray all over his face driving down Fury Road with Jesus blood bagged on the front of his car. Title it Mad Christ: Allah Road. Maybe even get Imperator Magdelosa in the frame somehow.

 :surprised: very powerful imagery
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on May 29, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
I like Mad 'Med: Hajj Highway better
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on May 29, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
this is kind of important because i learned recently that 50% of art is in the titles which makes it kind of hard because 75% of art is titled [untitled]
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
I like Mad 'Med: Hajj Highway better

 :nono: Christ is the good guy here, bub.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on May 29, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
Fair point.  Mad 'Manuel? A little alliteration always appeals.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2015, 04:19:11 PM
That is pretty good.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 30, 2015, 06:15:08 AM
You dumbasses understand that calling them troublemaking assholes isn't taking away their free speech, right?

Right. But I do think it goes a bit far to say that they "have blood on their hands." That sort of takes for granted that jihadi violence is a natural, predictable consequence to drawing a cartoon. I don't think we should just accept that.

what should we do? make jihadi violence illegal?

Well the libtards want to make machine guns "super illegal", so maybe we could make jihadi violence super illegal. Or, perhaps, include it in the definition of "hate crime". Just spit Ballin ideas...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 01:40:53 PM
So these Arabic artists took a job from the show and then sabotaged it because it portrays their region's people inaccurately as untrustworthy and immoral?  I have such a weakness for enjoying irony.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14/artists-got-homeland-is-racist-arabic-graffiti-into-the-latest-episode-of-homeland/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 22, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
They didn't sabotage anything
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 01:59:16 PM
Ok.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 22, 2015, 02:03:45 PM
They painted some words on a set. They were given no direction of what to say and no one asked what the translations were. They did the job they were paid to do. It had zero effect on the filming or airing of the show.


Sabotage
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2015, 02:16:35 PM
Ha! Clever. But did anybody actually "discover" the messages or did the artists just brag about it after?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
How can you say they were given no direction of what to say?

After they painted what they painted, they made sure it received public attention.

deliberately destroy, damage, or obstruct (something), especially for political or military advantage
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 22, 2015, 02:19:14 PM
If anyone should be pissed about how they are protrayed on homeland, it should be the cia
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 22, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Ok Emo EMAW
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 22, 2015, 02:25:47 PM
If bsands hired someone to paint fake graffiti in denmarkish for a press conference backdrop and the graffiti translated into anti-bsands stuff, I would laugh my balls off.

Sabotage tho
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2015, 02:28:53 PM
It's the irony I find most amusing.  The act itself is pretty sophomoric in nature, and not that amusing to me.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 06, 2015, 02:41:33 PM
Anytime anyone tries to argue that the Israelis and Palestinians are just two sides of the same coin, show them this. https://youtu.be/aVb2zBByGCA?t=1m23s (https://youtu.be/aVb2zBByGCA?t=1m23s)  :sdeek: :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 07, 2015, 09:50:40 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/06/campus-stabber-manifesto-included-praise-for-allah-plan-for-beheading/?intcmp=hpbt1 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/06/campus-stabber-manifesto-included-praise-for-allah-plan-for-beheading/?intcmp=hpbt1)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on November 07, 2015, 11:16:54 AM
Ksuw why is it so hard for people to call this terrorism?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
Call it terrorism if you want. Good thing he didn't have a gun!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 07, 2015, 03:31:16 PM
I'm not sure if this is terrorism or not - that has a specific meaning for me. This seems more like just another example of batshit crazy Muslim extremism. It would be nice if the media would at least call it that, but they really don't like admitting that the M word has any causal connection with the E word.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2015, 03:44:12 PM
I'm not sure if this is terrorism or not - that has a specific meaning for me. This seems more like just another example of batshit crazy Muslim extremism. It would be nice if the media would at least call it that, but they really don't like admitting that the M word has any causal connection with the E word.
Yeah that would be so nice
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 08, 2015, 10:54:13 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/video-palestinian-muslim-woman-stabs-unsuspecting-israeli-security-guard-at-checkpoint/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/video-palestinian-muslim-woman-stabs-unsuspecting-israeli-security-guard-at-checkpoint/)

(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Beitar-Illit-stabbing-Twitter.jpg)

Religion Of Peace (TM)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on November 13, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
 (http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/2880274.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 05:45:44 PM
Yeah it has to be totally 100% u.s. inspired and nothing to do with pan European issues with Muslims, France having a post insurgency 60 year issue with mulsims in their country, a swelling issue between 6 or so different powers in the ME region, a real inspired rebellion, or just good ole hardline radicals who have an apocalyptic view of Islam pushing them to do something, only one person at fault.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 06:44:56 PM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 06:58:40 PM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?

Yeah I think the comment was a mistake....but are we willing to acknowledge that "Mission Accomplished" is more of the cause of these events than anything Obama has done?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?

Yeah I think the comment was a mistake....but are we willing to acknowledge that "Mission Accomplished" is more of the cause of these events than anything Obama has done?

lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?

Yeah I think the comment was a mistake....but are we willing to acknowledge that "Mission Accomplished" is more of the cause of these events than anything Obama has done?

lol

Yeah I know your side isn't down with reading books and educating yourself about the region/policy/history or just facts in general. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 07:58:35 PM
Bush's fault, lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on November 13, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
Bush's fault, lol
yeah it's almost like starting a war of want that destabilized a large part of the world is to blame for a large part of the world being destabilized.  Until you recognize that and remove your face from Bush's male genitals, you hold back the US and your mindset makes us less secure.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Not sure if troll or just stupid
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 13, 2015, 08:51:05 PM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?

Yeah I think the comment was a mistake....but are we willing to acknowledge that "Mission Accomplished" is more of the cause of these events than anything Obama has done?

lol

Yeah I know your side isn't down with reading books and educating yourself about the region/policy/history or just facts in general.

You're the one engaging in revisionist history. Toppling Saddam was a mistake in hindsight, but we had won some semblance of stability at the cost of many lives - until Obama scuttled the status of forces agreement and withdrew all troops and security, plunging Iraq back into chaos.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 09:12:13 PM
The Obama ME strategy is remarkable, in that you would have thought at least one of his strategies wouldn't have caused or compounded unrest. Nope, even the sun refuses to shine on that dog's ass.

What a disaster
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on November 13, 2015, 09:28:56 PM
None of this matters.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 13, 2015, 09:41:57 PM
Tell that to the some 800,000 people isis has raped, tortured, enslaved and murdered in the last 18 months.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 13, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
This thread is a rough ridin' mess. Steve Dave needs to split this up into at least 4 or 5 different threads.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on November 13, 2015, 11:32:27 PM
Tell that to the some 800,000 people isis has raped, tortured, enslaved and murdered in the last 18 months.
I meant that nothing you say, feel, or believe matters. Same goes for me.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on November 13, 2015, 11:32:57 PM
Tell that to the some 800,000 people isis has raped, tortured, enslaved and murdered in the last 18 months.
I meant that nothing you say, feel, or believe matters. Same goes for me.
On this matter at least
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cire on November 13, 2015, 11:37:37 PM
This thread is a rough ridin' mess. Steve Dave needs to split this up into at least 4 or 5 different threads.
You don't know how modding works
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2015, 12:13:26 AM
In EDN world every day is Inauguration day 2008 a bigger apologist could not be found. 

Pathetic
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on November 14, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
Start a new thread called the world gone to hell under obama
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326708/Jihadists-gunmen-launch-grenade-shooting-rampage-hotel-Mali.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326708/Jihadists-gunmen-launch-grenade-shooting-rampage-hotel-Mali.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on November 23, 2015, 12:36:21 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79e_1448251628

they just don't have manners
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on November 23, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Tgs8g2o.jpg)

Syrian refugee giving out food  :thumbs:

God bless him
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on November 25, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
Oh man Dax is going to wet himself
http://justpaste.it/NovemberATGM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on November 29, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c6_1448744378

christians really are the best :blush:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 09:03:45 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 09:12:30 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 02, 2015, 09:26:52 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 09:33:21 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
foreign smelling rice? man i bet that dude's a terrorist  :curse:
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on December 02, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
i had basmati rice with dinner tonight :surprised: #ack
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 09:38:12 PM
foreign smelling rice? man i bet that dude's a terrorist  :curse:

Basmati rice is delicious. The only rice I eat.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 09:41:57 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!

Libs can't tell a story without deflecting your attention away from the relevant facts.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 02, 2015, 09:44:24 PM
Deflect and Protect.  The way of RPLJB's
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 09:49:10 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!

Libs can't tell a story without deflecting your attention away from the relevant facts.

sorry, i guess i was a bit premature to dismiss the relevancy of sectional sofas
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
Basmanti rice smells different than regular white rice?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on December 02, 2015, 10:04:34 PM
yup
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on December 02, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
I must be confusing it with jasmine rice, which smells identical
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!

Libs can't tell a story without deflecting your attention away from the relevant facts.

sorry, i guess i was a bit premature to dismiss the relevancy of sectional sofas

The rice, couch and shoes are completely irrelevant to the story, but the daily beast writer is trying to humanize the mass murdering terrorist.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 10:19:42 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!

Libs can't tell a story without deflecting your attention away from the relevant facts.

sorry, i guess i was a bit premature to dismiss the relevancy of sectional sofas

The rice, couch and shoes are completely irrelevant to the story, but the daily beast writer is trying to humanize the mass murdering terrorist.

in a very bumbling way.  the style of writing is just as repulsive.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 02, 2015, 10:28:40 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

i really hate the person that wrote that.  what a piece of crap

Why?

Probably a message/messenger thing.

has nothing to do with it. 

a woman's sandals and sectional sofas!  what interesting and relevant information you gleamed from invading the life of someone not involved!

Libs can't tell a story without deflecting your attention away from the relevant facts.

sorry, i guess i was a bit premature to dismiss the relevancy of sectional sofas

The rice, couch and shoes are completely irrelevant to the story, but the daily beast writer is trying to humanize the mass murdering terrorist.

in a very bumbling way.  the style of writing is just as repulsive.

I agree. That info was just kind of thrown in for no sensible reason.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on December 02, 2015, 11:19:20 PM
i can't smell a difference between rices and i'll bet money the writer couldn't distinguish in a blind test either.


didn't see a problem with the story.  weird reaction by liblib.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2015, 11:26:56 PM
i can't smell a difference between rices and i'll bet money the writer couldn't distinguish in a blind test either.


didn't see a problem with the story.  weird reaction by liblib.

The story is fine, going to the house of the family of a SUSPECT of a developing story is horseshit. As I type this FNC is now saying the second name reported was a hoax and inaccurate, rough ridin' take a second to chill before chasing family members of potential suspects.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 02, 2015, 11:29:41 PM
i can't smell a difference between rices and i'll bet money the writer couldn't distinguish in a blind test either.


didn't see a problem with the story.  weird reaction by liblib.

The story is fine, going to the house of the family of a SUSPECT of a developing story is horseshit. As I type this FNC is now saying the second name reported was a hoax and inaccurate, rough ridin' take a second to chill before chasing family members of potential suspects.

Yes, this was another thing I didn't like. Vulture journalism.

Media  :curse: (<--- me irl)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on December 02, 2015, 11:31:30 PM
going to the house of the family of a SUSPECT of a developing story is horseshit.

why?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 02, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
going to the house of the family of a SUSPECT of a developing story is horseshit.

why?

Because they have no idea what the role of the reported suspect's role was, whether or not the reported suspect is actually a suspect as law enforcement has yet to reveal that information, if that person is a legitimate suspect I'd assume LEOs wouldn't want some blogger knocking on doors of people they want to talk to, and finally I think they should value the privacy of these people in the immediate fallout of this. What the eff will knocking on the door of these people accomplish other than added anguish? At absolute best it's wholly unnecessary and invasive.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on December 03, 2015, 12:29:49 AM
i thought the interviews with one of the belgian suspect's brothers and reporting on that suspect's family was interesting and added to the story.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2015, 01:52:18 AM
i thought the interviews with one of the belgian suspect's brothers and reporting on that suspect's family was interesting and added to the story.

If we're talking about the same interview it was four days after the attacks and the release of names. Also worth noting that brother had his name misreported as a suspect initially because some media wanted to be first.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on December 03, 2015, 03:31:55 AM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2015, 03:53:38 AM
I'm a Jasmine rice guy, can you believe it?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2015, 03:55:04 AM
I must be confusing it with jasmine rice, which smells identical
This is so totally wrong and my nose barely even works.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
i can't smell a difference between rices and i'll bet money the writer couldn't distinguish in a blind test either.


didn't see a problem with the story.  weird reaction by liblib.

The story is fine, going to the house of the family of a SUSPECT of a developing story is horseshit. As I type this FNC is now saying the second name reported was a hoax and inaccurate, rough ridin' take a second to chill before chasing family members of potential suspects.
This is why I just change the channel and wait until today to read the news. Too many stations and publications rush to be the one to break with the latest information.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on December 03, 2015, 10:38:49 AM
Kill in feels and go to heaven.  Very sensible ro militants.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2015, 01:37:58 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 03, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

What does the reporter being white have to do with it?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 03, 2015, 01:49:19 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

That's journalism. It's getting the scoop. Journalists justify is as getting information to the people as quickly as possible. The real reason is that journalism is a competitive business. But this only bothers me when journalists are in such a rush for the scoop that they get facts wrong - I don't think the family of a suspected killer is entitled to any particular buffering protection other than to not disclose their address.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 03, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
Well that's because you're a horrible person that cares nothing for others
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 03, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
Well that's because you're a horrible person that cares nothing for others

pot kettle  :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sys on December 03, 2015, 02:12:35 PM
That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

the family can decline to be interviewed.  "no comment" and close door.  doesn't seem overly intrusive to me.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 03, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
Well that's because you're a horrible person that cares nothing for others

That's the kind of crap I would expect from edna or ok_cat. You're better than that lib7.  :nono:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on December 03, 2015, 02:51:54 PM
Well that's because you're a horrible person that cares nothing for others

pot kettle  :lol:

Weird post
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: lopakman on December 03, 2015, 02:57:52 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

What does the reporter being white have to do with it?

just mir being a racist and blaming white people for all the world's problems. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2015, 03:02:48 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

What does the reporter being white have to do with it?

Not a damn thing, just stating a fact. Why did you choose to extract that?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

What does the reporter being white have to do with it?

just mir being a racist and blaming white people for all the world's problems.

I don't want to play cuckold games with you and your wife, leave me alone already.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

That's journalism. It's getting the scoop. Journalists justify is as getting information to the people as quickly as possible. The real reason is that journalism is a competitive business. But this only bothers me when journalists are in such a rush for the scoop that they get facts wrong - I don't think the family of a suspected killer is entitled to any particular buffering protection other than to not disclose their address.

His name was not officially released yet, when they went knocking its entirety possible that they could have been wrong. Also this isn't journalism. I was taught that journalism is getting it right, not getting it fast.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on December 03, 2015, 03:11:19 PM

reporting incorrect information is a different issue than whether it's appropriate to interview the family of suspects.  i'm sure there's a correlation between reporting incorrect information and how much time has elapsed since the story first emerged, but if a reporter knows/believes they have correct information, i don't see any reason why they should have to wait any set amount of time.

That isn't the only reason to wait, it isn't even the most compelling. I'm not completely 100 about the timeline but those reporters went knocking on that door no more than 3 hours after these people found out about what happened and even less than that after they were shot to death by cops on national television. What the eff kind of information are you going to get that quickly? The gentleman in Belgium had 4 days to grieve and process so he had the capacity to collect their thoughts and present something cogent. Those people in California had no idea what the hell was going on, didn't know what to think or feel. Some strange white guy knocking on their door is not only inhumane but its counterproductive.

That's journalism. It's getting the scoop. Journalists justify is as getting information to the people as quickly as possible. The real reason is that journalism is a competitive business. But this only bothers me when journalists are in such a rush for the scoop that they get facts wrong - I don't think the family of a suspected killer is entitled to any particular buffering protection other than to not disclose their address.

His name was not officially released yet, when they went knocking its entirety possible that they could have been wrong. Also this isn't journalism. I was taught that journalism is getting it right, not getting it fast.
That's because you were taught on a daily news cycle. That certainly isn't true anymore, for better or worse. It's worse.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on December 08, 2015, 02:05:44 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349803/Muslim-convert-faces-jail-threatening-bomb-MP-s-house.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

Haaaa
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on December 10, 2015, 04:59:21 AM
Quote
Wallace has a string of convictions for violent offences including possession of a knife.

Didn't know the UK regulates knives much like the US regulates guns.  nuts
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 01, 2016, 09:20:52 PM
Just read on Fox News that a bunch of Muslim meat whackers at a slaughter plant in Fort Morgan walked out in protest because the plant wasn't giving them time to pray.  They got canned.  Why in the hell should a business be forced to make such accomodations?  This is the pattern laid on in the jihadists take over recipe, make a society change for our religion.  This is not sensible; it's horse crap.  I have to keep my faith out of the workplace.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on January 01, 2016, 11:52:14 PM
No you don't
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on January 08, 2016, 12:50:55 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3zxxhi/reports_of_sexual_assaults_on_women_across/

lol all of them were immigrants

DIVERSITY
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on January 08, 2016, 11:09:42 AM
Do we want to continue to import these stone age thinking thugs.  Pepper spray is a hot buy in Europe.  Last night some islamonut tried to execute a Philly police officer.  Why in the hell import people who want to kill America.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 08, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Do we want to continue to import these stone age thinking thugs.  Pepper spray is a hot buy in Europe.  Last night some islamonut tried to execute a Philly police officer.  Why in the hell import people who want to kill America.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dramatic-photos-capture-moment-gunman-allegedly-execute-philadelphia/story?id=36162427

weird since no legit place is reporting that.

edit: NY Daily is not legitimate.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cullen Fitzpatrick on January 08, 2016, 11:41:48 AM
Just read on Fox News that a bunch of Muslim meat whackers at a slaughter plant in Fort Morgan walked out in protest because the plant wasn't giving them time to pray.  They got canned.  Why in the hell should a business be forced to make such accomodations?  This is the pattern laid on in the jihadists take over recipe, make a society change for our religion.  This is not sensible; it's horse crap.  I have to keep my faith out of the workplace.

Those goat fuckers moved here. If they don't like our culture they should go back to whatever 5th century shithole Muslim country they came from.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
Just read on Fox News that a bunch of Muslim meat whackers at a slaughter plant in Fort Morgan walked out in protest because the plant wasn't giving them time to pray.  They got canned.  Why in the hell should a business be forced to make such accomodations?  This is the pattern laid on in the jihadists take over recipe, make a society change for our religion.  This is not sensible; it's horse crap.  I have to keep my faith out of the workplace.

Those goat fuckers moved here. If they don't like our culture they should go back to whatever 5th century shithole Muslim country they came from.

This is probably exactly what the other meatpackers said during their smoke break.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 08, 2016, 01:34:21 PM
Just read on Fox News that a bunch of Muslim meat whackers at a slaughter plant in Fort Morgan walked out in protest because the plant wasn't giving them time to pray.  They got canned.  Why in the hell should a business be forced to make such accomodations?  This is the pattern laid on in the jihadists take over recipe, make a society change for our religion.  This is not sensible; it's horse crap.  I have to keep my faith out of the workplace.

Those goat fuckers moved here. If they don't like our culture they should go back to whatever 5th century shithole Muslim country they came from.

This is probably exactly what the other meatpackers said during their smoke break.

Meat packing you say?  Probably more like this...

¿Has visto el tweet de Brownback ? Él no ' saber cómo funciona el código tributario.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2016, 02:31:36 PM
Did some truck drivers who identified themselves as Muslim and who refused to haul loads of booze because of their faith and who were summarily fired by their employer, really get their jobs back when the Federal government intervened?

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3zxxhi/reports_of_sexual_assaults_on_women_across/

lol all of them were immigrants

DIVERSITY

Coming soon to the United States! This is what happens when you allow mass migration of Muslim from third world hell holes. They don't assimilate, the young men don't get jobs, and they engage in criminal activity. Eh, but what's a few rapes and acts of terrorism when "compassion" is at stake?

Massive coordinated sexual assaults in Germany by Muslim men. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046)

The Religion of Peace TM (as long as you're a Muslim and not a woman).
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on January 10, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3zxxhi/reports_of_sexual_assaults_on_women_across/

lol all of them were immigrants

DIVERSITY

Coming soon to the United States! This is what happens when you allow mass migration of Muslim from third world hell holes. They don't assimilate, the young men don't get jobs, and they engage in criminal activity. Eh, but what's a few rapes and acts of terrorism when "compassion" is at stake?

Massive coordinated sexual assaults in Germany by Muslim men. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046)

The Religion of Peace TM (as long as you're a Muslim and not a woman).
just to start with the jobs part of this fallacy.....you realize there are no jobs for them and unemployment for these young men usually sits around 50%.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2016, 01:46:04 PM
What's the fallacy?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
There are already at least a million Muslim immigrants in the US, and they seem to have assimilated quite well.

http://iraq.usembassy.gov/mobile//resources/information/current/american/statistical.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 03, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
It's time we take a close look at car ownership.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-iraq-bombings-20160703-story.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 04, 2016, 07:40:32 AM
It's time we take a close look at car ownership.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-iraq-bombings-20160703-story.html

In Iraq...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on July 13, 2016, 08:20:09 AM
Is calling ISIS the jv team going to be Obama's mission accomplished?

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/mission%20accomplished%202.jpg)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-islamic-state-caliphate-20160712-story.html
Quote
Even as it launches waves of terrorist attacks around the globe, the Islamic State is quietly preparing its followers for the eventual collapse of the caliphate it proclaimed with great fanfare two years ago.

In public messages and in recent actions in Syria, the group's leaders are acknowledging the terrorist organization's declining fortunes on the battlefield while bracing for the possibility that its remaining strongholds could fall.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 13, 2016, 11:55:13 AM
They're still launching terror attacks across the globe:  Time to declare victory!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on July 13, 2016, 12:42:56 PM
They're still launching terror attacks across the globe:  Time to declare victory!
Yeah, like I said, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on July 14, 2016, 06:07:35 PM
Make it stop
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2016, 10:49:04 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36794262
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2016, 02:19:41 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pakistani-facebook-starlet-strangled-suspected-honour-killing-080108177.html?ref=gs
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on July 19, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3697451/Mother-three-daughters-aged-8-14-STABBED-French-holiday-resort-scantily-dressed.html

Quote
However, local prosecutor Raphael Balland told La Parisien: 'The motive of the attack is very unclear.

Really hard to untangle the motives. All these cop killings and attacks from Muslims - hard to find a trend here. Just crazy people and random attacks for no reason.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on July 22, 2016, 01:11:03 PM
Here we go again...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on July 22, 2016, 01:36:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_RIo5W8AQpwAO?format=jpg&name=large)

 :D

Youtube troll Sam Hyde named as suspect
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 22, 2016, 02:09:01 PM
Germany needs stricter gun control, obs. Truck control, ax control, and bomb control, too, while we're at it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on July 22, 2016, 02:11:37 PM
i don't know ksuw, if you can't fix every single thing, you may as well not even try to fix one of the things
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
Shelter in place, get out your butter knife. 

Good night and good luck. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on July 22, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
Taking an awfully long time to announce anything about the shooters.

*Looks like it's Muslims.

Unbelievable how anyone can support anything behind this awful religion. Sure there's good Muslims but they should probably support a better God (Jesus), I mean as a good person, if my ideology is associated with one that has killed so many people, I'd realize something is wrong and find another God.

Also this amazing quote needs to be in this thread :lol:

Quote
...the writing was in those weird ink dribbles the Koran is written in that progressives insist on gushing over, saying it’s the most beautiful thing they’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 22, 2016, 07:07:08 PM
i don't know ksuw, if you can't fix every single thing, you may as well not even try to fix one of the things

I disagree. I think we should fix things that need fixing. But we should ask whether we're actually fixing that problem, or just pretending to fix it by focusing on an accessory to the underlying problem and thereby not really fixing anything.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:17:31 PM
Religion of peace.  But wait, like a real long time ago people claiming to be Christians did bad things, so it's okay.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 22, 2016, 07:20:21 PM
Turn the middle east into glass!! #trumpence2016
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
Bad guys don't look at explosions Hillary #libya # Syria 2016!!  Hellfire from 40k Obama #hopeandchange
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:24:34 PM
#supportthemuslimbrotherhoodhilforprison2016
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
#weeillbringmuslimstoheelanfgivethemweapons #hillaryforprison2016
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
We came, we saw, we killed him.  Hillary on creating an ISIS sanctuary #libya
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 22, 2016, 07:29:22 PM
Take a Valium bro
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on July 22, 2016, 07:31:10 PM
wow
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 22, 2016, 07:31:17 PM
You're that last spammer who should say that. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2016, 09:57:06 PM
Lib7 and tobias aren't very good at this bbs thing
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2016, 03:05:08 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-destroys-100-000-satellite-dishes-crackdown-114106490.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 25, 2016, 09:31:49 AM
T's&P's iranian WD fans
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on July 25, 2016, 07:00:27 PM
Non Islamic NRA ejaculation alert: Japanese guy stabs 20+ people to death at a facility for disabled people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on July 25, 2016, 07:01:19 PM
illegally modified toothpick holders I bet
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2016, 07:41:55 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html?ito=email_share_mobile-top
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 20, 2016, 05:42:11 AM
Whole lotta sensible Muslims doing sensible Muslim things in the name of Islam going on right now.

Like the "Minessota Man" who went on a stabbing spree at the mall. Fortunately it appears he was obeying the "no guns" sign. Even more fortunately, the man who gunned him down ignored the sign.

Radicalized son of Somali immigrants.

Then we have the dumpster bomber. Radicalized Afghani immigrant?

Know what would be an awesome idea? Importing tens of thousands of muslim immigrants to seed Muslim ghettos thrououht the US.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: chum1 on September 20, 2016, 06:47:05 AM
The Skittles thing is probably a good illustration of how people are terrible at math.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on September 20, 2016, 07:37:52 AM
sons of non-Muslim immigrants never kill anyone
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on September 20, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
sons of non-Muslim immigrants never kill anyone
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/19/gun_violence_kills_70_over_weekend_as_terrorism_kills_zero.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 20, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
Whew, just a bunch of people injured, disaster narrowly avoided:  Don't need to talk about Islamic based terrorism today. (Huge sigh of relief).
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on September 20, 2016, 09:42:06 AM
Whew, just a bunch of people injured, disaster narrowly avoided:  Don't need to talk about Islamic based terrorism today. (Huge sigh of relief).
I mean, the article talked about it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 20, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
Whew, just a bunch of people injured, disaster narrowly avoided:  Don't need to talk about Islamic based terrorism today. (Huge sigh of relief).
I mean, the article talked about it.

Thanks cRusty. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on September 20, 2016, 12:19:05 PM
Guilty until proven innocent I guess. Good grief CNN alerts
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 20, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
I think I liked it better when the libtards were blaming capitalism (or was it poverty caused by capitalism) for terrorism, rather than just pretending terrorism doesn't exist or isn't a real problem.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 20, 2016, 09:18:49 PM
sons of non-Muslim immigrants never kill anyone

Yeah, but some horrors can be prevented with a sane immigration oh never mind.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: memphis on September 20, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
Guilty until proven innocent I guess. Good grief CNN alerts

Lawyer could try and stack the jury with Muslims who have been discriminated against.  :blindfold:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on September 24, 2016, 10:26:47 AM
Either Hispanic or a Muslim

 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2016, 07:47:18 AM
And we have a winner! Congrats Muslims, you did it again!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on September 25, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
And we have a winner! Congrats Muslims, you did it again!

We probably did something to make him mad. The important thing is not to overreact to all these recent attacks by ratcheting back immigration from predominately Muslim/terrorist countries or better vetting. One of our two political parties needs a steady supply of new voters.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on September 25, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
Amazing what 1% of the population can accomplish
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
Time for a "# of people not killed by Muslims" meme
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on September 25, 2016, 04:44:53 PM
Either Hispanic or a Muslim

 :bwpopcorn:
Sounds like one.of the.butt grabbing and.boob honking euromuslims.  Was this rejection or terrorism?  How do you label this? Radical hoochie harassment?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on November 16, 2016, 10:33:46 PM

Wasn't sure where to put this
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
sons of non-Muslim immigrants never kill anyone

Yeah, but some horrors can be prevented with a sane immigration oh never mind.

Most kiddy rapists are white males, maybe it's time for legislation that will limit white guys access to kids
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 17, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
sons of non-Muslim immigrants never kill anyone

Yeah, but some horrors can be prevented with a sane immigration oh never mind.

Most kiddy rapists are white males, maybe it's time for legislation that will limit white guys access to kids

I agree. We should start with Bill Ciinton and Anthony Weiner.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on November 17, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
I'd start with sexually repressed white males with a brood of 4 or more kids.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2016, 09:48:21 AM
British woman raped in Dubai, being held under suspicion of having sex outside of marriage.  The Dubai authorities took away her passport.    Attackers arrested as well, but were let out on bail.

There's a non profit who helps women who are raped in Dubai and then accused of having sex outside of marriage. 

Oh, but we must "understand" Islam.

In related news NYT melting down on Trumps suspected Nat Sec Advisor.  Because he's concerned about Sharia law in the US amongst other things.  NYT says Sharia is not growing in US.  Last week, BBC article about the U.K. needing to deal with secret Sharia courts in the U.K. and the women forced to live under their rulings.

SMDH
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on November 18, 2016, 09:54:22 AM
Bloodthirsty warpig DAX wants to know why we don't use nukes on these camel jockeys
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on November 18, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
Bloodthirsty warpig DAX huddles in his panic room in his gated suburban community while scared to death of Muslims and sharia law. What a sad existence  :frown:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2016, 10:04:22 AM
Bloodthirsty warpig DAX huddles in his panic room in his gated suburban community while scared to death of Muslims and sharia law. What a sad existence  :frown:

Meanwhile overtly angry Lib longingly looks at his life sized Hillary poster and dreams about all the weapons that could have been sold to Islamic Dictatorships, the wars of aggression and the bombs that could have been dropped on innocent civilians under her leadership.

Sad
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2016, 10:07:38 AM
Lib is waiting for the 5x5 poster to get in of Hillary celebrating the war in Libya with "we came, we saw, he died" in 60 sized font gold lettering on the bottom. He's already got the spot ready in his living room.

So. . . Sad.  SMDH
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on November 19, 2016, 12:37:53 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
 :love:

(https://i.gyazo.com/c2cf544cea48263b7aeb4f961e86e8d7.jpg)
(https://i.gyazo.com/c2cf544cea48263b7aeb4f961e86e8d7.jpg)
(https://i.gyazo.com/c2cf544cea48263b7aeb4f961e86e8d7.jpg)
(https://i.gyazo.com/c2cf544cea48263b7aeb4f961e86e8d7.jpg)
(https://i.gyazo.com/c2cf544cea48263b7aeb4f961e86e8d7.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 28, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076)

Somali refugee. We should increase the number of refugees from predominantly Muslim countries. Also need more common sense car and knife control.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: chum1 on November 28, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Trump's got this.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on November 28, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
glad everyone is ok and nobody died
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2016, 02:37:18 PM
michigan fan?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 28, 2016, 03:13:20 PM
michigan fan?

Close. Apparently there weren't enough Muslim prayer rooms on campus. The next logical step, for a sensible Muslim doing sensible Muslim things in the name of Islam (the Religion of Peace TM) is to go on a stabbing spree. http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/28/ohio-state-attacker-identified-everything-we-know-about-abdul-razak-ali-artan/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/28/ohio-state-attacker-identified-everything-we-know-about-abdul-razak-ali-artan/)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on November 28, 2016, 03:17:07 PM
Sorry muzzies, one of you was bad so now all of you have to GTFO.

I'm glad that rule doesn't apply to white people
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2016, 03:30:08 PM
Just Somali refugee muzzies.  Don't be absurd.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 28, 2016, 04:04:29 PM
Sorry muzzies, one of you was bad so now all of you have to GTFO.

I'm glad that rule doesn't apply to white people

Nothing to see here! :whistle:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 28, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
i believe it's the one year anniversary of the san bernadino massacre.

edit: nope, that was december 2.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
muzzies is a adorable term
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2016, 05:45:00 PM
Just one.

#liblogic

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on November 28, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Muzsies take over institutions or communities, and demand they be accommodated.  Universities don't give prayer rooms to Christians.  When we get irked we pray not go out and try to give people new navels.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 29, 2016, 03:11:44 PM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/four-still-hospitalized-ohio-state-attack-terror-probed-153240153.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on November 30, 2016, 07:55:49 AM


Also need more common sense car and knife control.

Why didn't anyone tell this kid he could have picked up an AR at Walmart and killed dozens instead of zeros?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 30, 2016, 09:40:43 AM
Also need more common sense car and knife control.

Why didn't anyone tell this kid he could have picked up an AR at Walmart and killed dozens instead of zeros?
tbh he probably had high hopes of killing dozens with his car ala Nice.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on December 19, 2016, 02:57:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KalhtTv.png)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on December 20, 2016, 07:14:59 AM
Crappy truck drivers.  Good killers.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 20, 2016, 08:57:12 AM
Driver entered country as part of Germany's SchlägerScheisseVerrücktEinwanderung immigration policy, which loosely translates to "Let's Import a Bunch of Muslims from Islamic Hellholes." We should do this here, right Obama supporters?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on December 20, 2016, 09:10:46 AM
Driver entered country as part of Germany's SchlägerScheisseVerrücktEinwanderung immigration policy, which loosely translates to "Let's Import a Bunch of Muslims from Islamic Hellholes." We should do this here, right Obama supporters?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html)
The article that you yourself linked says they think they might have the wrong guy.  I mean it seems likely that your statement stands, but still...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: chum1 on December 20, 2016, 09:33:10 AM
Trump has publicly blamed attacks on radical Islamic terror. I think that's pretty much half the battle right there.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 20, 2016, 09:47:00 AM
Yeah, now that we know who the enemy is we can win.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 20, 2016, 10:37:48 AM
Trump has publicly blamed attacks on radical Islamic terror. I think that's pretty much half the battle right there.

glad that's over
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2016, 11:05:52 AM
Truck accident, nothing more, and tee time is in 20 minutes, so let's move people!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 20, 2016, 11:17:43 AM
Hold up a sec - anyone here actually holding out hope this wasn't Islamic terrorism? Or are some of you just pitarding?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2016, 12:53:06 PM
Hold up a sec - anyone here actually holding out hope this wasn't Islamic terrorism? Or are some of you just pitarding?

Truck accident
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 20, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Driver entered country as part of Germany's SchlägerScheisseVerrücktEinwanderung immigration policy, which loosely translates to "Let's Import a Bunch of Muslims from Islamic Hellholes." We should do this here, right Obama supporters?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html)

You may not remember, but two white guys bombed a building in OKC 25 years ago. And basically American ExpressBllack against ever doing anything to protect the country from radical islam.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Driver entered country as part of Germany's SchlägerScheisseVerrücktEinwanderung immigration policy, which loosely translates to "Let's Import a Bunch of Muslims from Islamic Hellholes." We should do this here, right Obama supporters?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html)

You may not remember, but two white guys bombed a building in OKC 25 years ago. And basically American ExpressBllack against ever doing anything to protect the country from radical islam.

Allowing radicalized Muslims in allows the police state to ratchet up operations under the guise of "security".
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 21, 2016, 09:41:13 AM
And here's the guy the Germans are looking for....

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/21/13/3B8EF80E00000578-4054140-image-m-118_1482325603779.jpg)

He's from Tatooine and evidently wanted in a number of systems.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 21, 2016, 12:02:40 PM
BUT BuT BUT TIMOTHY MCVEIGH!!!!! Can't you remember 1994, it's the exact same thing!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2016, 12:44:28 PM
ksu, fsd, and sodj are a dreamy tag team when they really get rolling
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 21, 2016, 01:29:03 PM
I'm sad nobody appreciate my Star Wars  joke. The guy is literally from Tataouine, Tunisia. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/25/tatouine-star-wars-town-tunisia-isis-waypoint-tatooine (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/25/tatouine-star-wars-town-tunisia-isis-waypoint-tatooine)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on December 21, 2016, 01:29:40 PM
we didn't think we were supposed to take that literally
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 21, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
we didn't think we were supposed to take that literally

 :D
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 21, 2016, 02:25:14 PM
That was a weird post from cRusty, but I've accepted that he's getting increasingly weirder by the hour. 

Just read a story in a U.K. paper with video of a mother sending her 8 and 9 year old daughters off to suicide bomb a police station in Syria.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 21, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
i'm sorry to contribute to this thread but this seems like the right place for this mindblowing info which i encountered for the first time 20 minutes ago.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/ (http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade)

the arab slave trade was larger than the americas slave trade but there are no sub-saharan african descendants in the middle east because the arabs primarily traded in men and they castrated all of them.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 21, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
i'm sorry to contribute to this thread but this seems like the right place for this mindblowing info which i encountered for the first time 20 minutes ago.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/ (http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade)

the arab slave trade was larger than the americas slave trade but there are no sub-saharan african descendants in the middle east because the arabs primarily traded in men and they castrated all of them.

Smart move. No reparations.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 21, 2016, 07:47:37 PM
I don't watch star trek, star wars, or star search.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 22, 2016, 08:16:10 AM
Stargate guy, huh?
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 23, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2469333/berlin-terror-trucker-anis-amri-pictured-with-other-migrants-on-italian-island-of-lampedusa-in-2011-after-escaping-arab-spring-in-his-native-tunisia/

So you've been to prison?  Welcome.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on January 06, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
pray for florida :(
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2017, 07:35:02 PM
Wrong thread bruh
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: chum1 on January 30, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on January 30, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
imagine a couple of post drafts had to be terminated :frown:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: IPA4Me on January 31, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
This French Canadians!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2017, 09:04:15 AM
This French Canadians!

Even worse, a French Canadian political science major.

Once we learn more facts, maybe this guy can be the start of a Sensible Christians Doing Sensible Christian Things in the Name of Christianity thread.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on January 31, 2017, 09:40:58 AM
Suddenly ksuw thinks we need to know more before commenting lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Suddenly ksuw thinks we need to know more before commenting lol

When someone screams Allahu Akbar before opening fire or plowing through a crowd of people, it makes motive pretty easy.

The liberals seem to be forgetting the point of this thread, which was never "only brown skinned people do terrible things."

But take your lap - a white guy committed a hate crime, so that obviously means Islam does not have a special problem with extremism.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: OK_Cat on January 31, 2017, 12:10:34 PM
The human race has a special problem with extremism.


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 31, 2017, 01:32:02 PM
But Canadian gun control!!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2017, 11:16:09 AM
Innocent fun. Let 'em all in.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: chum1 on March 04, 2017, 07:42:36 PM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
I can only assume Iran is enraged that Trump followed through with his campaign promise to defeat ISIS.

I mean I thought 30 days was ambitious but he's clearly a man of action.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 05, 2017, 10:25:35 AM
I can only assume Iran is enraged that Trump followed through with his campaign promise to defeat ISIS.

I mean I thought 30 days was ambitious but he's clearly a man of action.

Clearly.  I mean half assed raids that get our service members killed for no useful information are clearly preferred to well though out plans that attack regional threats head on. 

Can't do everything overnight!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2017, 10:29:16 AM
Can't bother to carefully develop plans in advance cause other people might steal them and take the credit.
 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 10:53:03 AM
Can I enlist in an anti terrorism force in our own country? We can drone strike anyone who might be racist.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2017/02/27/stand-together-against-this-bigotry-another-jewish-cemetery-vandalized-and-again-muslims-reach-out-to-help/?utm_term=.f45363f59c60

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39142831

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/22/516582971/muslim-led-fundraiser-to-help-vandalized-jewish-cemetery-be-repaired
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 01:09:11 PM
Thanks, Trump.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
Who's responsible for the vandalism at the jewish cemeteries?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Gooch on March 06, 2017, 08:26:24 AM
Who's responsible for the vandalism at the jewish cemeteries?
White supremacists.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 08:28:59 AM
Trump supporters
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on March 06, 2017, 08:29:50 AM
Brietbart readers
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on March 06, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
That will turn out well
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
Who's responsible for the vandalism at the jewish cemeteries?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/aiEJH.jpg)

I think this is what fsd is fishing for
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on March 06, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
false star operation
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 06, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
false star operation

real rough ridin' life LOL.  fatality
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 06, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
American citizen Khizr Khan reportedly cancels trip to Canada after being warned his 'travel privileges are being reviewed'
http://theweek.com/speedreads/684192/american-citizen-khizr-khan-reportedly-cancels-trip-canada-after-being-warned-travel-privileges-are-being-reviewed

What kind of Mos-lum thinks he can travel freely?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 07, 2017, 08:57:00 AM
Sounds like when you get on a watch list because you have a common terrorist name and there is no simple and clear way to get off it and meanwhile you can't buy a gun even though it's your right as a citizen to do so.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 07, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Sounds like when you get on a watch list because you have a common terrorist name and there is no simple and clear way to get off it and meanwhile you can't buy a gun even though it's your right as a citizen to do so.

weird, because that's totally wrong, about every claim you made.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 07, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
(https://i.redd.it/9n4ao0m6fzjy.jpg)

Wake up sheeple
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 07, 2017, 12:39:18 PM
 :lol:

Need a LOL Libtard thread
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 07, 2017, 03:41:29 PM
Sounds like when you get on a watch list because you have a common terrorist name and there is no simple and clear way to get off it and meanwhile you can't buy a gun even though it's your right as a citizen to do so.

weird, because that's totally wrong, about every claim you made.

What claim have I made?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2017, 10:14:07 AM
http://heat.st/2mPMXSG



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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
Sounds like when you get on a watch list because you have a common terrorist name and there is no simple and clear way to get off it and meanwhile you can't buy a gun even though it's your right as a citizen to do so.

weird, because that's totally wrong, about every claim you made.

What claim have I made?

You'll be waiting a long time Emo.

Whackadoo has his hyper partisan hyperbolic meltdowns and then taps out.


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2017, 10:22:35 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-threatens-send-europe-15-000-refugees-month-103814107.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 21, 2017, 12:05:57 AM
70% of people from pakistan are inbred :surprised:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 22, 2017, 11:15:37 AM
Someone mad they missed their tour of parliament?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/world/europe/uk-westminster-parliament-shooting.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 11:46:16 AM
Someone mad they missed their tour of parliament?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/world/europe/uk-westminster-parliament-shooting.html

Only two people dead so far, so this is a pretty lame (likely) terror attack. 


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on March 22, 2017, 01:32:02 PM
Another mentally ill person that watched a few too many jihadist videos.

Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 02:19:09 PM
Another mentally ill person that watched a few too many jihadist videos.

YouTube strikes again.  (Wait, it never struck a first time). 

YouTube Strikes!


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 22, 2017, 04:33:21 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-shooting-latest-news-man-shot-explosions-heard-westminster-london-a7643686.html

Quote
Security sources have described the suspected assailant as a middle-aged Asian man, who attacked the officer on foot with a seven-to-eight inch knife.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-shooting-latest-news-man-shot-explosions-heard-westminster-london-a7643686.html

Quote
Security sources have described the suspected assailant as a middle-aged Asian man, who attacked the officer on foot with a seven-to-eight inch knife.

Asia, it's a big place.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 23, 2017, 10:30:11 PM
(https://pic.al/MJg.png)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 23, 2017, 10:33:25 PM
Yeah Canada has mumped antispeech laws
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on March 24, 2017, 02:08:00 AM
The Canadian Supreme Court also ruled that Sikh kids in school have a constitutional right to bring ceremonial daggers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multani_v_Commission_scolaire_Marguerite%E2%80%91Bourgeoys) into the classroom. So, there's that.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on March 24, 2017, 06:02:50 AM
Sikhism is quite rough ridin' rad.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Gooch on March 24, 2017, 08:08:52 AM
Only info I have on Sikhism is from the movie Inside Man (pretty good 5/7). They made that guy take of his turban and he had super long hair all wrapped up in the fabric. Seems like an ok religion as religion goes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 24, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
sikhs and muslims look similar. yet nobody has a problem with sikhs (unless on accident) and lots have a problem with muslims. in fact sikhs are great people.

but racism :curse:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 24, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
They are quite different faiths.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Gooch on March 24, 2017, 03:38:14 PM
Only info I have on Sikhism is from the movie Inside Man (pretty good 5/7). They made that guy take of his turban and he had super long hair all wrapped up in the fabric. Seems like an ok religion as religion goes.
Cross post to where Stevesie was crap talking known stud Denzel. He was great in Inside Man.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on March 24, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
sikhs and muslims look similar. yet nobody has a problem with sikhs (unless on accident) and lots have a problem with muslims. in fact sikhs are great people.

but racism :curse:

Except for racists in Olathe and Washington state, they loathe Indians
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 24, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Except for racists in Olathe and Washington state, they loathe Indians

(unless on accident)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 24, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on March 24, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
Breaking. France 3 shot at train station and many wounded.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3174784/terror-lille-gunman-shoots-three-people-outside-metro-station-in-french-city/
Hawaiian judge wants unfettered entrance of these scumullahs into America.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 24, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Think this is the wrong thread Reno
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 24, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
Did you even read the article?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 24, 2017, 11:50:48 PM
Should rename thread "Islam is a religion of peace."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on March 25, 2017, 12:02:06 AM
Should rename thread "Islam is a religion of peace."

A coworker of mine says this in jest and it about drives me over the wall every rough ridin' time. I won't express my feelings here but man, I want to.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: cfbandyman on March 25, 2017, 12:09:05 AM
Should rename thread "Islam is a religion of peace."

A coworker of mine says this in jest and it about drives me over the wall every rough ridin' time. I won't express my feelings here but man, I want to.

Just opening up the door for dax to call you a meltdown lib. Won't acknowledge his own meltdown of 20+ years tho so hold onto that
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on March 25, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
Should rename thread "Islam is a religion of peace."

A coworker of mine says this in jest and it about drives me over the wall every rough ridin' time. I won't express my feelings here but man, I want to.

Just opening up the door for dax to call you a meltdown lib. Won't acknowledge his own meltdown of 20+ years tho so hold onto that

That's a bad thing? Someone commenting on what they THINK are your views is almost a gift. Makes it all the easier to slam them.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 25, 2017, 05:04:15 AM
Weird series of posts.


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on March 25, 2017, 09:15:03 AM
Think this is the wrong thread Reno
Probably so. All of this stuff in Europe sends me into orbit.  What is so wonderful about importing people to create a multi-cultural society.  I like a homogeneous society, not fractious cultures in close proximity to each other that want to annihilate the each other.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 12:08:58 PM
Gang violence doesn't have a direct correlation to immigration or refugees. Three kids were targeted. This wasn't a mass shooting. That's everyday in America.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 25, 2017, 04:21:38 PM
gang rape does tho
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
Nope. Not that either.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 25, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
you're wrong

source: you're wrong
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
Hahaha ok. Eating crow here now.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/restaurant-owner-fed-police-emergency-workers-free-troia-ibrahim-dogus-a7650031.html
what an animal
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on March 27, 2017, 05:17:08 AM
I walked past a ramen shop yesterday that had a hand drawn sign posted on the door that said "welcome muslim".

Surely there is more than one.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2017, 07:14:28 AM
I walked past a ramen shop yesterday that had a hand drawn sign posted on the door that said "welcome muslim".

Surely there is more than one.

I think Muslim is like deer in that the singular is also the plural.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on March 31, 2017, 03:35:17 PM
in thailand many places don't allow indian people

i don't understand though. they are great people.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/tEXkqdemX0_09AVWupg_X9fwB_3LRCfIXvPLe5kJoqE.png?w=740&s=da801abfa387bd454854a35f697cf0b6)

windians
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 01, 2017, 04:22:36 PM
lol at some of you people. 

Always flying air cover for the most violent, backwards religious movement on the planet. 

Where's the picture of the Saudi morals minder herding the head to toe garbed women with a stick when I need it?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 01, 2017, 07:15:59 PM
Obama wanted it erased from the internet and not enough people shared the hell out of it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
Multiple reported deaths during a "homosexual round-up" in Islamic Chechneya.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 02, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
lol at some of you people. 

Always flying air cover for the most violent, backwards religious movement on the planet. 

Where's the picture of the Saudi morals minder herding the head to toe garbed women with a stick when I need it?

You could ask Bill Maher, who shows it all the time. :dunno: He's certainly not always flying air cover for the most violent, backwards religious movement on the planet, and neither am I. :dunno:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on April 10, 2017, 02:59:52 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/790035/Sweden-terror-attack-illegal-immigration-crackdown
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on April 18, 2017, 06:39:34 PM
@sys wellness check  :frown:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on April 18, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-westminster-attack-muslims-raise-money-victims-crowdfunding-khalid-masood-isis-terror-a7647196.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 20, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
NPR story on Muslim Americans increasingly choosing Islamic schools/education for their children.

This has to really piss off some of the resident secular/progressives.

Religious oriented private education, SMDH.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: AbeFroman on April 20, 2017, 10:33:52 AM
Nothing wrong with religious oriented private education, just religious oriented public education.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2017, 11:17:42 AM
We want vouchers tho.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: LickNeckey on April 20, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
Betsy and Trump are going to freak out when they find out there are Muslim Schools.

 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 20, 2017, 03:36:57 PM
Nothing wrong with religious oriented private education, just religious oriented public education.

Muslim students demanding prayer rooms on public university campuses, in one case, in every major building on campus.

Just a couple of seasons to beat the "which will come first? A Chiefs Super Bowl, or the 50th Anniversary of the Chiefs one (and only) Super Bowl win".   (FTR MethU is rapidly approaching the same questions regarding their football program, a conference title or the 50th anniversary of their last conference title, which comes first?)

Let's hope they can do it Wacks!!

 





Now this is legitimately a weird post
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 20, 2017, 03:38:04 PM
Golly, I had two windows open it appears.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2017, 05:15:40 PM
Paris, again. :(
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 20, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
Paris, again. :(
that place is such a shithole
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 20, 2017, 05:21:30 PM
Golly, I had two windows open it appears.

Glitch in the daxbot
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on April 20, 2017, 08:21:54 PM
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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
Looks like a great day for Libs to roll out the statistics on terrorism et al

Anything to explain it away, I suppose.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 21, 2017, 12:08:12 PM
Shooter was a convicted murderer.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on April 21, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Looks like a great day for Libs to roll out the statistics on terrorism et al

Anything to explain it away, I suppose.

But what are your thoughts on the Chiefs drafting a QB in the first round?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 24, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
Looking forward to a fresh week where maybe sensible Muslims will actually do sensible Muslim things.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Kat Kid on April 24, 2017, 10:09:42 PM
Looking forward to a fresh week where maybe sensible Muslims will actually do sensible Muslim things.

that happens all the time, but isn't news worthy.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 24, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
Maybe beating women, killing queers and etnically cleansing infidels is actually progressive and it's us American's that are on the wrong side of history.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: stunted on April 25, 2017, 12:13:07 AM
they hate dogs! you know who doesn't hate dogs?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/9a/d2/74/9ad274238c1a8cd4a75caec16b61f859.jpg)(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000164356029.jpg?w=790&strip=all)

actually hillary "get that rough ridin' dog away from me (http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/01/bonner-hillary-k9-handler/)" clinton also hates dogs.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 25, 2017, 07:08:19 AM
Looking forward to a fresh week where maybe sensible Muslims will actually do sensible Muslim things.

that happens all the time, but isn't news worthy.

MEDIA!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 25, 2017, 07:13:59 AM
Maybe beating women, killing queers and etnically cleansing infidels is actually progressive and it's us American's that are on the wrong side of history.

I'm confused, why are you bringing up trump voters?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on April 27, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
I didn't know they hated dogs
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on May 16, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on May 22, 2017, 06:35:34 PM
This may not go here but probably does.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN18I2OP


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on May 22, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
19 dead.


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on May 22, 2017, 07:34:22 PM
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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 24, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
Awful.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 24, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
We need to remain tolerant of their religion.
B.O.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 10:15:34 AM
Body Odor would say that. Get some deodorant!
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 24, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
Very sensible attack, IMO.  Nothing says peace loving religion like purposely killing children.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Very sensible attack, IMO.  Nothing says peace loving religion like purposely killing children.

they're just trying to maintain the child population
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
Yowza
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 03, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Good work England. Your unbroken EU immigration system will soon be broken, like ours. Your future may be brighter. T's & P's.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: renocat on June 03, 2017, 11:17:01 PM
Six Brits on the London Bridge aND pubs slaughtered tonight by Jihadists.  Dman judges who think these animals should be given a pass to America.  Take notice.
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/25/530051945/as-trump-slams-nato-allies-obama-defends-international-ord
And this from CNN
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cnn-host-calls-trump-piece-sht-renewed called-travel-ban/
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 04, 2017, 07:53:59 AM
7 now dead
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2017, 07:54:56 AM
Britain needs better car and knife control laws.

Meanwhile Trump's travel ban (which will soon be found constitutional by the only court that really matters) is looking more and more like a major political winner despite all the liberal wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 04, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
I thought few Europeans could afford cars, per the global warming thread.

Seven dead by a knifeman is more about group cowardice to stop it and less about knife control.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2017, 08:21:46 AM
I thought few Europeans could afford cars, per the global warming thread.

Seven dead by a knifeman is more about group cowardice to stop it and less about knife control.

First, I don't think you should judge any person for running to tackle a knife wielding maniac until you've been in that situation. It might have helped if a few citizens on that bridge had been carrying guns, which would have likely been the case in the US.

Putting the gun control issue aside, I think we can all agree that batshit crazy Muslims are the real culprit, and we ought to try not letting so many of them by instituting a more careful immigration policy. That's currently on hold because of a few liberal activist judges, but it'll be fixed soon enough.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 04, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
As someone who has been stabbed, I'll judgey mcjudgerton my SdK face off.

I can agree that stricter vetting process for immigrants is something I would support. I hope we can get there someday. Yes, before the US has problems like Europe.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2017, 08:39:44 AM
As someone who has been stabbed, I'll judgey mcjudgerton my SdK face off.

I can agree that stricter vetting process for immigrants is something I would support. I hope we can get there someday. Yes, before the US has problems like Europe.

Damn. How did you get stabbed?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2017, 08:43:01 AM
Those guys are doing a great job stabbing/vanning their way into a travel ban.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 04, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
Stabbed may have been an incorrect term. Sliced open would be more on point. I got into a fight and the other guy pulled a knife.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on June 04, 2017, 04:02:49 PM


Seven dead by a knifeman is more about group cowardice to stop it and less about knife control.

There were 3 attackers and a truck ramming. Did you know the attackers were wearing fake suicide vests? It would take an unusual amount of group courage to rush a guy wearing a suicide vest.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 04, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
I read the articles. Yes.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on June 04, 2017, 04:17:29 PM
So it's really only 2.33 dead by a knifeman with an asterisk.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2017, 09:02:10 AM
FINALLY, a handful of moderate Muslims take to the streets to protest radical Islam!

Oh but it was all staged by CNN... So is this the very definition of "fake news"?  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/shock-video-cnn-creates-fakenews-london-following-terror-attacks-stages-anti-isis-muslim-protesters/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/shock-video-cnn-creates-fakenews-london-following-terror-attacks-stages-anti-isis-muslim-protesters/)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 05, 2017, 09:08:05 AM
Good grief. I hate the lame stream media.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 05, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
Meh. Looks like a movie set. I'm going with Fake News.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2017, 11:12:02 AM

If you watch the video, you can see the CNN reporter and crew - not police - carefully arranging the protesters and their signs, one by one, on a staging area.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: kim carnes on June 05, 2017, 03:38:18 PM
Guys, I literally walked across London bridge on Saturday afternoon so I basically almost died.  If that's not scary then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 05, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
Glad you didn't, kc.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on June 07, 2017, 04:58:31 AM
% chance the Iran terror attacks were a CIA op?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 07, 2017, 09:33:41 AM
Guys, I literally walked across London bridge on Saturday afternoon so I basically almost died.  If that's not scary then I don't know what is.

p scary
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Gooch on June 07, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Well you can relax a bit because this is more likely to kill you than a terrorist.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/81/ef/4481efa79ec5513a31d96627dc5582b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: cfbandyman on June 07, 2017, 10:48:43 AM
Well you can relax a bit because this is more likely to kill you than a terrorist.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/81/ef/4481efa79ec5513a31d96627dc5582b9.jpg)

People are v bad at risk assessment.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 07, 2017, 10:57:19 AM
decorate terrorists, not trees
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on June 07, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
First cf3 cheers on cancer, and now he wants medals for terrorists smdh
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 07, 2017, 11:31:39 AM
Just heard there are 2800 people that fought in Syria now living in the U.K.  Holy crap. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 07, 2017, 01:53:10 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-eff-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 07, 2017, 02:01:20 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-eff-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
 
Oh look, someone who isn't a coward.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 07, 2017, 02:02:41 PM
It's a shame he had to do it all on his own though. People are so weak.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 07, 2017, 02:07:44 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-eff-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
 :lol:

‘I need to take the p*** out of these b******s’

I need to take the piss out of these bastards. Is that what he said? I guess that makes sense in England.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 07, 2017, 03:17:52 PM
Mrs Gooch you should watch Snatch.  Or maybe Love Actually will be more your speed.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 08, 2017, 07:12:24 AM
http://on.freep.com/2sEk9iP
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 18, 2017, 07:58:01 PM

Seems reasonable
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2017, 06:53:11 AM

Seems reasonable

Good thing they're just suspected.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on June 19, 2017, 02:19:51 PM

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2017, 02:33:26 PM
Looks like you need to start a different thread bucket.

So on individual cases, they're going start putting up the religion/non religion of the singular victim?  Something like, "known agnostic found dead in the park". 



Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Oh hey, another attempted terror attack in Belgium.  Good thing they've got troops carrying automatic weapons all over the place now.

#thenewnormal

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Gooch on June 20, 2017, 03:53:07 PM
We get it Dax you despise Muslims.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2017, 04:14:29 PM
We get it Dax you despise Muslims.

Suicide bombing Muslims, sure.

I also despise the ratcheting police state in a country under siege by radical elements of a religion.

But good to see your butthurt (as usual) gooch.

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 20, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
Europe has always had men with machine guns.  It's not new.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 22, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
Sensible Muslim sensibly stabs an officer in Flint.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/21/533841881/fbi-investigating-flint-airport-stabbing-as-possible-act-of-terrorism

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 22, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
Good to hear the guy will make it out alright.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
Well you can relax a bit because this is more likely to kill you than a terrorist.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/81/ef/4481efa79ec5513a31d96627dc5582b9.jpg)

Reminds me of the time that sniper was shooting all those people in Dallas and the cops were like, "stop running for your lifes you racist, homophobe, bigots, don't you know you're more likely to die from a cigarette butt." And then the cops proceeded to watch the shooter shoot people to death before saying, "a background check would have 100% prevented this from happening." And nobody got upset with the cops because they knew everyone shot to death had free healthcare .
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on June 23, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
I think maybe fsd did not understand gooch's post
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
It's kind of like libtard7 follows me around goE unwittingly making a clown of himself, and we let him because it's funny to laugh at stupid white trash making asses of themsleves.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 23, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
FSD I think that Muslim shooter was in the D.C. area, John Mohammed or something. But you were right he did kill a lot of people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 24, 2017, 12:02:41 PM
Oh FSD we were both mistaken.  It wasn't Dallas it was Fort Hood.  The Muslim Army doctor that shot up everybody. But he wasn't a sniper.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bucket on June 29, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2017, 07:37:21 AM
Bucket is gonna take every little story about somebody allegedly doing something to Muslims.  When in the vast majority of cases they are lone wolf types whose actions are abhorred by most.

Meanwhile entire factions of Muslims celebrate and call for more attacks on the infidels. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on June 30, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Allegedly
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2017, 11:31:49 AM
I think bucket is the guy that keeps taking out the 10 Commandments statues.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on June 30, 2017, 11:35:24 AM
#bucketofrage
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on June 30, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
I think he ran for PM in UK recently.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2017, 12:20:30 PM
Lib is extremely weird and unaware at times.

A concern
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 01, 2017, 12:23:05 PM
Allegedly
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on July 02, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170702/8d0370dfed5a92abee2bd86bc03c76b2.jpg)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Republicat on July 03, 2017, 04:19:51 PM
Lib is extremely weird and unaware at times.

A concern

Not if no one takes him seriously.  He seems like the Shaun King of this place....although lib may not be white.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on July 07, 2017, 08:15:44 AM
good stuff

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris (https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris)
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on July 07, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
Lib is extremely weird and unaware at times.

A concern

Not if no one takes him seriously.  He seems like the Shaun King of this place....although lib may not be white.

Lib is either a) most assuredly white or b) has someone running around pretending to be him
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Republicat on July 07, 2017, 01:45:33 PM
idk he seems like your typical angry black man.  Guys like him are a dime a dozen
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 07, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
Lib is extremely weird and unaware at times.

A concern

Not if no one takes him seriously.  He seems like the Shaun King of this place....although lib may not be white.

Lib is either a) most assuredly white or b) has someone running around pretending to be him

I would pick someone better looking as an imposter
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: wetwillie on July 07, 2017, 01:48:33 PM
good stuff

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris (https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris)

I wish Sam Harris had more charisma. His message is usually so good but his personality is very bland.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: WackyCat08 on July 07, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
Lib is one of those unique wangsters that wants to let everyone know he's the cool guy in the room and digs black chicks. He has to let everyone know just how diverse he is and if that means throwing his own ethnicity under the bus, then so be it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on July 07, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
wangsters

 :eek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 07, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
Lib is one of those unique wangsters that wants to let everyone know he's the cool guy in the room and digs black chicks. He has to let everyone know just how diverse he is and if that means throwing his own ethnicity under the bus, then so be it.

Oof, wacky"white pride"cat08
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: WackyCat08 on July 07, 2017, 01:55:17 PM
Just calling a spade a spade, friend.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 07, 2017, 01:56:04 PM
Just calling a spade a spade, friend.

Doubling down  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: WackyCat08 on July 07, 2017, 01:57:51 PM
You're the Nick Wright of gE.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on July 07, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Tobias on July 07, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
:sdeek:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on July 07, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
:sdeek:

Move to the trump voter thread?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on July 07, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Republicat on July 07, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
He sounds fat too.  Fat people are mostly lazy and spend their time complaining instead of actually doing anything. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on July 07, 2017, 02:48:40 PM
everybody shut up
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 07, 2017, 02:58:38 PM
good stuff

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris (https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris)

Quote
Islam isn’t a religion of war or peace

i've only read a couple chapters but what i saw could have been written by clausewitz. it wasn't a history of battles or a prophecy or a lesson on why you should be faithful to allah. it was a how-to on fighting wars, winning battles, and handling the relevant diplomacy. it's a book on conquering. there aren't parallels in the bible.

it's dumb that people don't admit this when they're attempting to be objective.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2017, 06:33:14 PM
#tolerance #thinkprogress

Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on July 19, 2017, 08:48:15 AM
gross
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on July 19, 2017, 08:58:46 AM
#tolerance #thinkprogress


Religion is so rough ridin' stupid.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Republicat on July 19, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
#tolerance #thinkprogress


Religion is so rough ridin' stupid.

Have fun in hell heathen
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on July 19, 2017, 09:43:57 AM
#tolerance #thinkprogress


Religion is so rough ridin' stupid.
Yes. A belief in a higher order based solely on geography and your parents is lol. Yet some people use it to get way up on a high horse and kill and hate based upon it.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2017, 02:58:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799836/People-hurt-van-crashes-pedestrians-Barcelona.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: 8manpick on August 17, 2017, 05:01:22 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799836/People-hurt-van-crashes-pedestrians-Barcelona.html

:(

I was there at Las Ramblas two and a half weeks ago
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on August 17, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799836/People-hurt-van-crashes-pedestrians-Barcelona.html

:(

I was there at Las Ramblas two and a half weeks ago

I was there 12 years ago :frown:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: mocat on August 17, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: LickNeckey on October 02, 2017, 09:32:01 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4938984/amp/Thousands-Muslims-march-against-ISIS-London.html
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.

Yep
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 02, 2017, 10:52:16 AM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.

Yep

I've always thought it is probably built around a) your community and b) what you see in media. So when you are a young pup dreaming about your dream person you don't include races you aren't familiar with. In this scenario, given a time where you change your community or what media you take in would change who you were most attracted to.

I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 10:54:34 AM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.

Yep

I've always thought it is probably built around a) your community and b) what you see in media. So when you are a young pup dreaming about your dream person you don't include races you aren't familiar with. In this scenario, given a time where you change your community or what media you take in would change who you were most attracted to.

I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

Some men are capable of acknowledging beautiful women while simultaneously not being attracted to them. It's a pretty common and totally normal thing.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
The fact that you are confident enough to say an entire race is unattractive to you is obviously prejudiced and borderline racist. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I mean, right? How is that not painfully obvious? You're saying if you were set up on a blind date and found out she was X race you'd be like, don't even bother?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.

Yep

I've always thought it is probably built around a) your community and b) what you see in media. So when you are a young pup dreaming about your dream person you don't include races you aren't familiar with. In this scenario, given a time where you change your community or what media you take in would change who you were most attracted to.

I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

Some men are capable of acknowledging beautiful women while simultaneously not being attracted to them. It's a pretty common and totally normal thing.

WTF? An entire race?

No, it's absolutely racist. It's racist because it requires you to ascribe certain physical characteristics to an entire race of people. Saying I don't find white women, or Asian women, or black women, or Hispanic women attractive is an acknowledgement that you think all women of that race look the same, which of course is patently ridiculous.

The eff outta here with your ridiculous attempt at rationalization. :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 12:08:06 PM
Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
No.

Yep

I've always thought it is probably built around a) your community and b) what you see in media. So when you are a young pup dreaming about your dream person you don't include races you aren't familiar with. In this scenario, given a time where you change your community or what media you take in would change who you were most attracted to.

I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

Some men are capable of acknowledging beautiful women while simultaneously not being attracted to them. It's a pretty common and totally normal thing.

WTF? An entire race?

No, it's absolutely racist. It's racist because it requires you to ascribe certain physical characteristics to an entire race of people. Saying I don't find white women, or Asian women, or black women, or Hispanic women attractive is an acknowledgement that you think all women of that race look the same, which of course is patently ridiculous.

The eff outta here with your ridiculous attempt at rationalization.
U talking to me or him?

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
Both of you, obviously.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 01:04:47 PM
I am racist because a majority of the women that I find to be attractive are white?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 01:05:47 PM
Oh, well I was simply making a good old fashioned gay joke. Figured I'd let him pick his poison. Personally, I can be attracted to a woman of any variety.

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 01:06:41 PM
But to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 02, 2017, 01:09:58 PM
But to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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 :fatty:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 01:13:08 PM
:alleyoop:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:38:00 PM
I am racist because a majority of the women that I find to be attractive are white?

That doesn't have anything to do with the question yard dog asked, read it again.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
I am racist because a majority of the women that I find to be attractive are white?

That doesn't have anything to do with the question yard dog asked, read it again.

Ok. I misread his initial question as I thought this was the question he was asking at that time. I am declaring myself distanced from what it turned out to be.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
But to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Your pun didn't work, crap happens, be better.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 01:44:01 PM
I stand by the design and execution of my pun. It both entertains and really makes ya think. Sorry for the pwnage

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
I stand by the design and execution of my pun. It both entertains and really makes ya think. Sorry for the pwnage

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I mean, you had to explain it, so...
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on October 02, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

As long as you don't express racial superiority, jmho. 
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 02, 2017, 01:54:44 PM
If I were single and met a beautiful middle eastern woman, I would pursue her. Some of you people lead overly complicated lives.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on October 02, 2017, 01:57:22 PM
It seems very racist to say you could find a middle eastern woman beautiful but not want to pursue her because of her race.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
It seems very racist to say you could find a middle eastern woman beautiful but not want to pursue her because of her race.
What if she has a crap personality or like, a weird voice?

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Matt Mckee on October 02, 2017, 02:00:09 PM
It seems very racist to say you could find a middle eastern woman beautiful but not want to pursue her because of her race.
What if she has a crap personality or like, a weird voice?

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That wouldn't have anything to do with her race.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
Hmm, good point.

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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 02, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
The fact that you are confident enough to say an entire race is unattractive to you is obviously prejudiced and borderline racist. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I mean, right? How is that not painfully obvious? You're saying if you were set up on a blind date and found out she was X race you'd be like, don't even bother?

I think this might be a semantics issue. It is racist to say "I don't find women from the middle east attractive." is it also racist to say "I find women from latin countries to be more attractive than women from middle eastern countries."?

To clarify, I am not saying an entire race is unattractive. If I was set up on a blind date with someone and they were cool I'd be attracted to them. I am more than a little confident I would get along with a date from any ethnic definition.

I have kind of always lumped it in with other traits you find appealing in a woman. I have friends who think Natalie Portman is smoking hot. I can acknowledge she is attractive (and it isn't like I would turn down the opportunity to go on a date with her) but I also don't think she is my type. All of us have probably explained to our friends/significant others in the past that we have a type in some form or fashion.

But that is where this more sensitive subject comes in. If a person's race is a part of "your type" is that racist? I know for awhile in college I ended up dating several KState coeds who were of Mexican heritage. I didn't meet or decide to date any of them based off of their race, but I began to think that women with Mexican heritage must be my type. I probably even put that in to daily conversation.

My hypothesis is that people may assume that potential partners from races they are unfamiliar with are not their type. But, given time and greater familiarity that can change.

The more interesting debate is on how someone should properly communicate if they have a preference. If you find one race more attractive than others that doesn't mean you think all other races are unattractive. You just have a clear preference.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
The fact that you are confident enough to say an entire race is unattractive to you is obviously prejudiced and borderline racist. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I mean, right? How is that not painfully obvious? You're saying if you were set up on a blind date and found out she was X race you'd be like, don't even bother?

I think this might be a semantics issue. It is racist to say "I don't find women from the middle east attractive." is it also racist to say "I find women from latin countries to be more attractive than women from middle eastern countries."?

To clarify, I am not saying an entire race is unattractive. If I was set up on a blind date with someone and they were cool I'd be attracted to them. I am more than a little confident I would get along with a date from any ethnic definition.

I have kind of always lumped it in with other traits you find appealing in a woman. I have friends who think Natalie Portman is smoking hot. I can acknowledge she is attractive (and it isn't like I would turn down the opportunity to go on a date with her) but I also don't think she is my type. All of us have probably explained to our friends/significant others in the past that we have a type in some form or fashion.

But that is where this more sensitive subject comes in. If a person's race is a part of "your type" is that racist? I know for awhile in college I ended up dating several KState coeds who were of Mexican heritage. I didn't meet or decide to date any of them based off of their race, but I began to think that women with Mexican heritage must be my type. I probably even put that in to daily conversation.

My hypothesis is that people may assume that potential partners from races they are unfamiliar with are not their type. But, given time and greater familiarity that can change.

The more interesting debate is on how someone should properly communicate if they have a preference. If you find one race more attractive than others that doesn't mean you think all other races are unattractive. You just have a clear preference.

It's not semantics, you just changed the argument. You initially asked
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Someone who is more "woke" than me . . . if you don't find a certain race of your preferred gender attractive. . .is that racist?
Now you're essentially saying that you are more attracted to blonde hair and blue eyes, that isn't the same thing. Your softened view isn't as racist but you're still attempting to assign certain physical traits to certain races and that isn't how genetics works. My first girlfriend was a black girl with light skin and green eyes. There are plenty of white folks with dark skin, eyes, and hair.

Maybe don't tie attraction to race and you won't have to do so much explaining.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 02:20:40 PM
I don't really think it's semantics, I think you just walked back your prior statement after thinking it through.

Everyone has prejudices. If you tell me I'm about to have a pizza that was made at "Mario's" vs a pizza made at "Nguyen's" I'm going to expect to like the first one more. Because I know I like Italian pizza and the first name sounds more Italian.

The difference is whether you are willing to allow those expectations (which yes, are generally shaped by experience) to arrive at a final conclusion about a group/preference and everyone who falls into it. When you decide you no longer need to look at the individual to form your opinion, it's probably racist.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

As long as you don't express racial superiority, jmho.

1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.
2. If you find someone attractive but their race stops you from wanting to do whatever with her, that's absolutely an expression of racial superiority. You're saying her race doesn't reach your standard of acceptability.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 02, 2017, 02:41:07 PM
I appreciate the debate and candor guys! That did help me to understand it myself. I know I have heard it from other people that they just aren't attracted to *insert race here*, while in reality they more likely find certain traits appealing and are over generalizing an entire race based on stereotypes (or their own experiences). I personally have perceived superficial preferences but when I meet someone who is genuine, whom I also share interests with, those preferences generally fly out the window.

I'll admit the initial question was left vague on purpose to encourage response. As a white male who grew up around very little diversity in central Kansas, it is interesting to both determine where my own perceptions of preference have come from as well as noticing how they have changed.

Just to continue the conversation a bit, if I don't find a specific accent attractive and that accent is related to a certain group of people. . .is that discriminatory? It is sterotypical, but I know many women who go goo-goo over certain accents but are equally repelled by others.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
I appreciate the debate and candor guys! That did help me to understand it myself. I know I have heard it from other people that they just aren't attracted to *insert race here*, while in reality they more likely find certain traits appealing and are over generalizing an entire race based on stereotypes (or their own experiences). I personally have perceived superficial preferences but when I meet someone who is genuine, whom I also share interests with, those preferences generally fly out the window.

I'll admit the initial question was left vague on purpose to encourage response. As a white male who grew up around very little diversity in central Kansas, it is interesting to both determine where my own perceptions of preference have come from as well as noticing how they have changed.

Just to continue the conversation a bit, if I don't find a specific accent attractive and that accent is related to a certain group of people. . .is that discriminatory? It is sterotypical, but I know many women who go goo-goo over certain accents but are equally repelled by others.

No yard dog, it isn't discriminatory, or stereotypical, or racist; it's just not liking what a voice sounds like.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
"I don't like French accents" is quite a bit different than "I already know I won't like her voice because she is French."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 02, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
"I don't like French accents" is quite a bit different than "I already know I won't like her voice because she is French."

But it could easily be inferred that if you didn't find french accents attractive, had met many individuals who helped to reinforce that trait that you related with someone being from France, and I mentioned I had a cute friend from France coming into town you might like. . .you might initially have the confidence that the accent would most likely be a deal breaker and in turn might go out of your way to avoid the encounter because you have better things to do/don't want to waste your time.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
"I don't like French accents" is quite a bit different than "I already know I won't like her voice because she is French."

But it could easily be inferred that if you didn't find french accents attractive, had met many individuals who helped to reinforce that trait that you related with someone being from France, and I mentioned I had a cute friend from France coming into town you might like. . .you might initially have the confidence that the accent would most likely be a deal breaker and in turn might go out of your way to avoid the encounter because you have better things to do/don't want to waste your time.

Not racist, just a loner/weirdo/moron who wouldn't get the cookie anyway.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 02, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
 This discussion is bring to mind another question which actually has been the subject of my Facebook feed lately.......

If you refuse to date someone because they are transgender, does that make you transphobic?

Like if you say you are attracted to women, and then have the opportunity to date a trans-woman who would otherwise meet all of your dating criteria, ...if you don't date her is that transphobic?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 05:26:06 PM
This discussion is bring to mind another question which actually has been the subject of my Facebook feed lately.......

If you refuse to date someone because they are transgender, does that make you transphobic?

Like if you say you are attracted to women, and then have the opportunity to date a trans-woman who would otherwise meet all of your dating criteria, ...if you don't date her is that transphobic?

If we're looking for a simple yes or no, I'd go with no. Sex and/or reproduction are very important to most when it comes dating someone. If you are simply looking for a companion and gender doesn't matter to you and you dismiss that companionship opportunity simply someone is trans, then yep. I can't think of another scenario that would be considered transphobic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: treysolid on October 02, 2017, 05:33:36 PM
i don't understand how someone could say that they aren't attracted to middle eastern women. some of the hottest women i've ever met have been turkish, israeli and iranian.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 06:06:08 PM
This discussion is bring to mind another question which actually has been the subject of my Facebook feed lately.......

If you refuse to date someone because they are transgender, does that make you transphobic?

Like if you say you are attracted to women, and then have the opportunity to date a trans-woman who would otherwise meet all of your dating criteria, ...if you don't date her is that transphobic?

If we're looking for a simple yes or no, I'd go with no. Sex and/or reproduction are very important to most when it comes dating someone. If you are simply looking for a companion and gender doesn't matter to you and you dismiss that companionship opportunity simply someone is trans, then yep. I can't think of another scenario that would be considered transphobic.

I'd go a step further and say even in most of the scenario highlighted by MIR it's not necessarily transphobic. Someone might refuse to date a trans person because they believe the choice to change sexes reflects a character trait that they find unappealing.

The big difference to me is that the whole point of transgender is the fact the trans person makes a deliberate choice. You have a right to weigh that choice the same as any other choice in evaluating someone as a companion.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 06:30:44 PM
Just like a Jew refusing to date someone because they are Muslim is not Islamaphobic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 06:43:30 PM
Just like a Jew refusing to date someone because they are Muslim is not Islamaphobic.

I get your point but I don't think it's the same. Also I agree that this doesn't make someone Islamaphobic, but it's bigotry. There are plenty examples of people marrying with different ideologies. I have a friend who is Jewish and she married a devout, Southern Baptist, Baylor grad.

Dismissing someone based on religion is just as silly as dismissing someone based on race.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
This entire back and forth evaluating whether a subjective preference is racism is wonderfully demonstrative of how trite, meaningless, and utterly childish a degree in social sciences is. You should have to retake high school as punishment for enlisting in 4 years of that echo chamber.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 07:09:05 PM
i don't understand how someone could say that they aren't attracted to middle eastern women. some of the hottest women i've ever met have been turkish, israeli and iranian.

Agreed
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 02, 2017, 07:09:43 PM
Way to ruin my thread, jerks. What the hell are you even talking about and what does this have to do with Muslims doing sensible Muslim things in the name of Islam?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 07:11:46 PM
Hey I kinda brought it back to the Muslim thing.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: SdK on October 02, 2017, 07:12:48 PM
How does KSU know there are no Muslims being sensible itt?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:18:27 PM
This entire back and forth evaluating whether a subjective preference is racism is wonderfully demonstrative of how trite, meaningless, and utterly childish a degree in social sciences is. You should have to retake high school as punishment for enlisting in 4 years of that echo chamber.

There's no back and forth FSD, I think we all agree that subjective preference that is based on race is absolutely racism. We know you feel otherwise so if you want to let lose then we all can have a true back and forth between all of us vs you and ksuw.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 09:28:30 PM

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist is childish, shallow and pathetic.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 09:29:39 PM
Basically exactly what you'd expect from someone with a psuedo science degree in echo chamber group think.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:36:51 PM

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist is childish, shallow and pathetic.

Who did that? I only called you and KSUW racist. I'm having a back and forth with Pete right now, he definitely isn't racist, you are though.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 02, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 09:46:26 PM

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist is childish, shallow and pathetic.

Who did that? I only called you and KSUW racist. I'm having a back and forth with Pete right now, he definitely isn't racist, you are though.

You are a racist
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 09:46:59 PM
/thread
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2017, 09:54:59 PM

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist is childish, shallow and pathetic.

Who did that? I only called you and KSUW racist. I'm having a back and forth with Pete right now, he definitely isn't racist, you are though.

You are a racist

Cool, you and me, peas in a pod :cheers:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on October 03, 2017, 05:19:25 AM
I just didn't know if I said something like, "I find that there are women in the middle east who are quite beautiful but I don't think I would pursue them (ie I dont find myself attracted to them)." - is that a racist thought or a normal thing that people could say that we would all understand?

As long as you don't express racial superiority, jmho.

1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.   YD said "pursue", whatever that means
2. If you find someone attractive but their race stops you from wanting to do whatever with her, that's absolutely an expression of racial superiority. You're saying her race doesn't reach your standard of acceptability.


See where your coming from.  It appears to me the ever changing definition of racism (or race) seems to perpetuate this discussion/argument to no end.  Does one physical attribute define one's race?
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on October 03, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
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1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.
   :fatty:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 03, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

I think the politically correct way to say it is "we all have racial bias" which is the nice way of saying we are all racist but we are not all necessarily crap people.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
I think you're confusing prejudice with racism. We all prejudge things based on prior experiences and biases, but we don't have to allow prejudice (especially based on racial stereotypes) to affect how we act towards others. Racism is where you hold those prejudices out as truth and choose to act on them rather than what you perceive/learn about an individual.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 03, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
So prejudice: that black guy in the hoodie looks suspicious to me, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he's actually up to something.

Racism: "hi, police? There is a suspicious black man near the grocery store who is up to something."
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 03, 2017, 12:39:54 PM
So prejudice: that black guy in the hoodie looks suspicious to me, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he's actually up to something.

Racism: "hi, police? There is a suspicious black man near the grocery store who is up to something."

So I'll restate my position with these facts. We are all prejudiced against one or many people. These prejudices will often change as we interact with these different groups. Certain instances and interactions only reinforce stereotypes making the prejudices lean towards racism.

The true difference I am finding in research is that a labeled racist perceives that their race is superior. Id be intrigued going forward trying to define instances as whether they occurred due to prejudice or due to racism.
Title: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: The Big Train on October 03, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Speak for yourself YD
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

No we aren't, no we don't.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 03, 2017, 03:11:15 PM
Here's some data to back up YD's theory...


Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 04, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
Speak for yourself YD

I am. I definitely include myself in that list. Since I am aware of it I will be able to make better decisions that don't base themselves around those judgements. People who openly deny that they have any prejudice are destined to make decisions that go along with their prejudice because they are ignoring its existence.

Here's some data to back up YD's theory...





That's pretty spot on. I am actually going to see this musical when I am in NYC this weekend for a work conference.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
AVE Q is on my list of musicals I want to see. Kinda far down, but firmly on the list.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: Yard Dog on October 04, 2017, 11:50:25 AM
AVE Q is on my list of musicals I want to see. Kinda far down, but firmly on the list.

I had a buddy in college who liked to listen to show tunes and Avenue Q was one of the shows he played the most often. We got really good seats through groupon for like $40 a ticket.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: slackcat on October 06, 2017, 08:39:42 AM


1. No one said a thing about "pursuit." I'm quite sure you don't pursue every white girl you find attractive.


Where did I say I pursue White girls??


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Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 06, 2017, 02:09:51 PM
I've only seen racists being called racist in the last few pages ITT.

Here is the ultimate mind bender: we are all racist. In some form or another we make judgements against individuals based on the stereotypes we believe in due to media, what we have been told, or what we have experienced in regards to race.

No we aren't, no we don't.

To the libtard HOF! :cheese:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on October 06, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
it's not kdub's fault he's racist, it's the media's fault

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 06, 2017, 03:25:06 PM
TBH, I'm no more racist than most people, and probable less than many. I just go about my life, being friendly and respectful (or being a jerk) to people regardless of their skin pigmentation. I work with people of many different races and consider many of them friends. I'm hardly "color blind" but I don't treat people differently based upon race. I just don't obsess over the topic or really care, but maybe that's easy for me to do because of my white privilege.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 01, 2017, 10:51:10 AM
Just updating the thread. http://abc7ny.com/at-least-6-dead-15-injured-after-truck-drove-on-nyc-bike-path/2588484/ (http://abc7ny.com/at-least-6-dead-15-injured-after-truck-drove-on-nyc-bike-path/2588484/) Allahu Akbar.
Title: Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
Post by: puniraptor on November 01, 2017, 05:37:25 PM
congrats, k-s-u-w and fox news. you guys deserve this