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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #350 on: November 10, 2017, 11:54:00 AM »

Just keep in mind this guy thinks people on food stamps and other social welfare programs should just learn some personal responsibility.

I'm fascinated by the difference in liberal and conservative outlooks on life. To me, a person wanting to keep more of their own money is completely different from a person asking for more of someone else's money. Liberals don't see that distinction, and even hold the welfare recipient in higher regard. To me, a person who worked hard for their money to live a comfortable lifestyle and provide a good life their kids, and already pays a ton in taxes, has a right to be upset about their taxes going up. To a liberal, that person just needs to "spend more responsibly" to afford the higher taxes, and anyone who doesn't agree is a hypocrite if they want welfare recipients to be more responsible for supporting themselves.

It really is fascinating. This isn't a matter of intelligence. I know enough smart liberals to appreciate that. It's a nature or nurture thing. Probably some of both.

You're either missing or ignoring the point.  Right now you are saying "I don't want to give away any more money because I want to spend it on myself."  That is fine, but KK's point is based on the conservative critique that people currently receiving welfare benefits could be self-sufficient if they just were more responsible with their money.  If you cannot feel sorry enough for those people to pay a little extra tax to help them out, then why the eff should I feel sorry about a family making $180k /year who is underwater on the $600k mortgage they just took out?

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #351 on: November 10, 2017, 11:54:48 AM »
Starting to feel like the MIR of the tax thread now...

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #352 on: November 10, 2017, 11:58:59 AM »

Just keep in mind this guy thinks people on food stamps and other social welfare programs should just learn some personal responsibility.

I'm fascinated by the difference in liberal and conservative outlooks on life. To me, a person wanting to keep more of their own money is completely different from a person asking for more of someone else's money. Liberals don't see that distinction, and even hold the welfare recipient in higher regard. To me, a person who worked hard for their money to live a comfortable lifestyle and provide a good life their kids, and already pays a ton in taxes, has a right to be upset about their taxes going up. To a liberal, that person just needs to "spend more responsibly" to afford the higher taxes, and anyone who doesn't agree is a hypocrite if they want welfare recipients to be more responsible for supporting themselves.

It really is fascinating. This isn't a matter of intelligence. I know enough smart liberals to appreciate that. It's a nature or nurture thing. Probably some of both.

You're either missing or ignoring the point.  Right now you are saying "I don't want to give away any more money because I want to spend it on myself."  That is fine, but KK's point is based on the conservative critique that people currently receiving welfare benefits could be self-sufficient if they just were more responsible with their money.  If you cannot feel sorry enough for those people to pay a little extra tax to help them out, then why the eff should I feel sorry about a family making $180k /year who is underwater on the $600k mortgage they just took out?

sounds like these folks need to pull themselves up by their Lucchese Boot Straps

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #353 on: November 10, 2017, 12:04:49 PM »
i find it fascinating that we spend 400 billion dollars a year more on our military* than the next largest spender

but to suggest belt tightening is decried by conservatives

(*the same military they claim to need guns to protect themselves from)

This is a good start.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #354 on: November 10, 2017, 12:08:41 PM »

Just keep in mind this guy thinks people on food stamps and other social welfare programs should just learn some personal responsibility.

I'm fascinated by the difference in liberal and conservative outlooks on life. To me, a person wanting to keep more of their own money is completely different from a person asking for more of someone else's money. Liberals don't see that distinction, and even hold the welfare recipient in higher regard. To me, a person who worked hard for their money to live a comfortable lifestyle and provide a good life their kids, and already pays a ton in taxes, has a right to be upset about their taxes going up. To a liberal, that person just needs to "spend more responsibly" to afford the higher taxes, and anyone who doesn't agree is a hypocrite if they want welfare recipients to be more responsible for supporting themselves.

It really is fascinating. This isn't a matter of intelligence. I know enough smart liberals to appreciate that. It's a nature or nurture thing. Probably some of both.

You're either missing or ignoring the point.  Right now you are saying "I don't want to give away any more money because I want to spend it on myself."  That is fine, but KK's point is based on the conservative critique that people currently receiving welfare benefits could be self-sufficient if they just were more responsible with their money.  If you cannot feel sorry enough for those people to pay a little extra tax to help them out, then why the eff should I feel sorry about a family making $180k /year who is underwater on the $600k mortgage they just took out?

O man I was like 2/3 through writing a response to his post and then my browser freaked out a bit. Glad someone pointed this out.

Agree on lot of it.

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« Reply #355 on: November 10, 2017, 12:10:36 PM »
You weren't upset with your taxes going up.  You actually seemed pumped to pay more to support the president

it really is amazing. he knows this will be bad for himself, but great for all the people much richer than he will ever be,  but he supports it because he is envious of them. what a cuck.

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« Reply #356 on: November 10, 2017, 12:16:02 PM »
You weren't upset with your taxes going up.  You actually seemed pumped to pay more to support the president

it really is amazing. he knows this will be bad for himself, but great for all the people much richer than he will ever be,  but he supports it because he is envious of them. what a cuck.

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« Reply #357 on: November 10, 2017, 01:45:09 PM »
You weren't upset with your taxes going up.  You actually seemed pumped to pay more to support the president

it really is amazing. he knows this will be bad for himself, but great for all the people much richer than he will ever be,  but he supports it because he is envious of them. what a cuck.

I don't think you've been following this thread closely enough. To follow KSUdub's arc in this thread....
1. ZOMG this is gonna be awesome for me!!
2. Well eff, I'm losing the personal exemptions, so this might really suck for me.
3. Maybe it'll at least help me indirectly by boosting my investments.
4. ZOMG I just found out they're gonna increase the phase out for the child tax credit, so this is gonna be awesome for me!!
5. (The last few pages) batting down idiotic liberal butthurt.

It really has been quite a rollercoaster.
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« Reply #358 on: November 10, 2017, 01:48:38 PM »

Just keep in mind this guy thinks people on food stamps and other social welfare programs should just learn some personal responsibility.

I'm fascinated by the difference in liberal and conservative outlooks on life. To me, a person wanting to keep more of their own money is completely different from a person asking for more of someone else's money. Liberals don't see that distinction, and even hold the welfare recipient in higher regard. To me, a person who worked hard for their money to live a comfortable lifestyle and provide a good life their kids, and already pays a ton in taxes, has a right to be upset about their taxes going up. To a liberal, that person just needs to "spend more responsibly" to afford the higher taxes, and anyone who doesn't agree is a hypocrite if they want welfare recipients to be more responsible for supporting themselves.

It really is fascinating. This isn't a matter of intelligence. I know enough smart liberals to appreciate that. It's a nature or nurture thing. Probably some of both.

You're either missing or ignoring the point.  Right now you are saying "I don't want to give away any more money because I want to spend it on myself."  That is fine, but KK's point is based on the conservative critique that people currently receiving welfare benefits could be self-sufficient if they just were more responsible with their money.  If you cannot feel sorry enough for those people to pay a little extra tax to help them out, then why the eff should I feel sorry about a family making $180k /year who is underwater on the $600k mortgage they just took out?

Gosh, I don't think I could have said this any more clearly above, but I'll try again. It is totally adorable how liberals equate a person wanting to keep more of their money with a person wanting more of someone else's money.

Have you guys seen Westworld, where the androids are programmed so they literally can't see something that would eff with their programming and cause them to question the nature of their existence? That's what liberals are like here. They literally can't see the obvious difference right in front of them. "That doesn't look like anything to me." It's really amazing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #359 on: November 10, 2017, 01:54:22 PM »
But... You constantly talk about wanting more of poor people's money
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« Reply #360 on: November 11, 2017, 09:14:19 AM »
Westworld sounds dorky

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« Reply #361 on: November 11, 2017, 10:09:58 AM »
Westworld sounds dorky

It was actually kind of cool but way too convoluted. A bit too Lost'ish. There's a thread for it.
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« Reply #362 on: November 11, 2017, 11:08:51 AM »
I think child tax credits are complete horseshit. you should be taxed more if anything. these little shits eat up public services at 10x the rate of grown adults. if we're cutting/adding stuff based on "fairness" that's a layup. and this is coming from someone with like 20 kids.

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« Reply #363 on: November 11, 2017, 11:17:11 AM »
I think child tax credits are complete horseshit. you should be taxed more if anything. these little shits eat up public services at 10x the rate of grown adults. if we're cutting/adding stuff based on "fairness" that's a layup. and this is coming from someone with like 20 kids.

Mine use like zero public services

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« Reply #364 on: November 11, 2017, 11:21:55 AM »
I think child tax credits are complete horseshit. you should be taxed more if anything. these little shits eat up public services at 10x the rate of grown adults. if we're cutting/adding stuff based on "fairness" that's a layup. and this is coming from someone with like 20 kids.

Especially handicapped ones, the resources they consume relative to what they produce is insane.
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« Reply #365 on: November 11, 2017, 12:30:24 PM »
20% is way too high. I bet if everyone just paid 15% - no deductions, credits or any of that crap - we'd be in great shape.

federal spending is 20% of gdp, so no, if everyone paid 15%, we would not be in great shape.
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« Reply #366 on: November 11, 2017, 12:40:56 PM »
I don't think you've been following this thread closely enough. To follow KSUdub's arc in this thread....

are we ever going to get to a point in this arc where you realize that decreasing your rates now will increase your rates in the future?
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« Reply #367 on: November 11, 2017, 01:33:24 PM »
is anybody here opposed to paying a flat 20% of their income to the feds? (no deductions)  I don't think that's too much to ask to live in this now great again country.
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« Reply #368 on: November 11, 2017, 01:34:58 PM »
For myself? No. For other people? Yes
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« Reply #369 on: November 11, 2017, 01:41:32 PM »
why would you be opposed for others?  if they don't make much they don't pay much, its a great deal for them to live in this country for $4000 a year while others are paying $100,000 for the same thing?
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« Reply #370 on: November 11, 2017, 01:49:44 PM »
Sure. They are already scraping to keep food on the table. Let's up their taxes because that's fair.

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« Reply #371 on: November 11, 2017, 01:52:40 PM »
Sure. They are already scraping to keep food on the table. Let's up their taxes because that's fair.

wants to take other people's money from them, smdh
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« Reply #372 on: November 11, 2017, 02:04:05 PM »
the system is screwed up I agree, the fact that wages have been artificially suppressed at the bottom is the problem.  The supposed tax savings of the poor have just found their way into the pockets of corporations in the form of profits.  There is no reason everyone cant pay 20% and be fine in an unbastardized system.
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« Reply #374 on: November 11, 2017, 04:16:19 PM »
I think child tax credits are complete horseshit. you should be taxed more if anything. these little shits eat up public services at 10x the rate of grown adults. if we're cutting/adding stuff based on "fairness" that's a layup. and this is coming from someone with like 20 kids.
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