Author Topic: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look (Read 137831 times)

star seed 7 · « **Reply #1200 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:33:45 PM »

I'm sure FSD’s office is tolerant enough to let any crazy trumper spew their lies and conspiracy theories on its' property unharrased.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #1201 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:40:00 PM »

They have terms and conditions and can make a business decision about who they wish to enforce it against. They will simply have to be prepared for the huge Infowars boycott which is coming. The well heeled supporters of AJ will obviously speak with their pocket book. I would not be the least bit surprised if this were the start of a MAGA competitor for facebook the same way Live from Omaha smashed SNL

renocat · « **Reply #1202 on:** August 07, 2018, 04:59:10 PM »

What will these juicy fruits deem to be hateful next?
Religious posts? goEMAW? Drudge, Brietbart, Fox news?
Seems lime since the public square, the Internet, was built with public money, then freedom of expression should triumph over business.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1203 on:** August 07, 2018, 05:01:31 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2018, 01:40:00 PM

They have terms and conditions and can make a business decision about who they wish to enforce it against. They will simply have to be prepared for the huge Infowars boycott which is coming. The well heeled supporters of AJ will obviously speak with their pocket book. I would not be the least bit surprised if this were the start of a MAGA competitor for facebook the same way Live from Omaha smashed SNL

Trumpbook will be great.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #1204 on:** August 07, 2018, 05:18:01 PM »

Renobook, apparently

sys · « **Reply #1205 on:** August 09, 2018, 10:51:08 AM »

the weeds podcast on the jeong stuff is good.

https://www.vox.com/the-weeds

sys · « **Reply #1206 on:** August 28, 2018, 12:34:04 PM »

this is much worse than student no-platforming.

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1034423546582380544

sys · « **Reply #1207 on:** August 28, 2018, 01:50:12 PM »

counterpoint.

https://twitter.com/thomasjwood/status/1034262782332551170

nicname · « **Reply #1208 on:** August 30, 2018, 01:15:44 AM »

Lol at this outrage.

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/08/29/florida-gop-candidate-fire-monkey-comment/

catastrophe · « **Reply #1209 on:** August 30, 2018, 12:45:33 PM »

If the comment was purposeful, it was designed to do exactly what it is now accomplishing, which is to fire up the outrage-over-outrage conservative machine.

nicname · « **Reply #1210 on:** August 30, 2018, 09:01:24 PM »

Quote from: catastrophe on August 30, 2018, 12:45:33 PM

If the comment was purposeful, it was designed to do exactly what it is now accomplishing, which is to fire up the outrage-over-outrage conservative machine.

For sure, and if so eff that guy. It just came off as overblown to me at first glance, but if the intent is there then yeah, eff him. Posts in the other similar thread lead me to believe it's more likely to have been calculated.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #1211 on:** August 31, 2018, 07:28:50 AM »

Quote from: nicname on August 30, 2018, 09:01:24 PM

Quote from: catastrophe on August 30, 2018, 12:45:33 PM
If the comment was purposeful, it was designed to do exactly what it is now accomplishing, which is to fire up the outrage-over-outrage conservative machine.

For sure, and if so eff that guy. It just came off as overblown to me at first glance, but if the intent is there then yeah, eff him. Posts in the other similar thread lead me to believe it's more likely to have been calculated.

He followed it with a comment that Gillum is articulate.

nicname · « **Reply #1212 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:25:04 PM »

Quote from: ChiCat on August 31, 2018, 07:28:50 AM

Quote from: nicname on August 30, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: catastrophe on August 30, 2018, 12:45:33 PM
If the comment was purposeful, it was designed to do exactly what it is now accomplishing, which is to fire up the outrage-over-outrage conservative machine.

For sure, and if so eff that guy. It just came off as overblown to me at first glance, but if the intent is there then yeah, eff him. Posts in the other similar thread lead me to believe it's more likely to have been calculated.

He followed it with a comment that Gillum is articulate.

Which is more suspect imo. Coupled with the FB group dude is a moderator of and the current state of politics, I'd lean toward him probably being a racist pos.

catastrophe · « **Reply #1213 on:** August 31, 2018, 07:52:24 PM »

I think a more likely explanation is that he’s not racist but wants all racists to turn out and vote for him.

michigancat · « **Reply #1214 on:** September 01, 2018, 12:19:56 AM »

Quote from: catastrophe on August 31, 2018, 07:52:24 PM

I think a more likely explanation is that he’s not racist but wants all racists to turn out and vote for him.

Lots of racists probably don't think they're racist

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #1215 on:** September 04, 2018, 11:43:13 PM »

Thou shalt not pierce the echo chamber

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Chelsea Clinton, tweeted that the event would be giving Bannon another platform for his ideas.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-yorker-festival-drops-steve-bannon-david-remnick-announcement-today-2018-09-03/

Kat Kid · « **Reply #1216 on:** September 05, 2018, 08:48:28 AM »

When I think Socialism, I think Chelsea Clinton.

DQ12 · « **Reply #1217 on:** September 07, 2018, 12:35:30 PM »

http://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/07/discipline-of-med-student-for-expressing

Great stuff from Prof. Volokh. Completely absurd policing of speech from a public university.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #1218 on:** September 07, 2018, 12:46:54 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on September 07, 2018, 12:35:30 PM

http://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/07/discipline-of-med-student-for-expressing

Great stuff from Prof. Volokh. Completely absurd policing of speech from a public university.

agree

DQ12 · « **Reply #1219 on:** September 07, 2018, 12:49:57 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on September 07, 2018, 12:46:54 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on September 07, 2018, 12:35:30 PM
http://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/07/discipline-of-med-student-for-expressing

Great stuff from Prof. Volokh. Completely absurd policing of speech from a public university.

agree

Monumental breakthrough for us, Mr. KK.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #1220 on:** September 07, 2018, 12:50:41 PM »

chum1 · « **Reply #1221 on:** September 07, 2018, 02:13:19 PM »

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I would have thought that it was clearly constitutionally protected

Of course, it is.

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and that a public university had no power to punish such speech.

Good God, why? Because it's constitutionally protected? That's just dumb.

DQ12 · « **Reply #1222 on:** September 07, 2018, 02:18:10 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2018, 02:13:19 PM

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I would have thought that it was clearly constitutionally protected

Of course, it is.

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and that a public university had no power to punish such speech.

Good God, why? Because it's constitutionally protected? That's just dumb.

What do you think the speech is protected against if not punishment by a government institution?

chum1 · « **Reply #1223 on:** September 07, 2018, 02:44:52 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on September 07, 2018, 02:18:10 PM

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
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I would have thought that it was clearly constitutionally protected

Of course, it is.

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and that a public university had no power to punish such speech.

Good God, why? Because it's constitutionally protected? That's just dumb.
What do you think the speech is protected against if not government punishment?

I mean, the dude lost his case, right? That alone is an indication that the issue isn't as clear cut as the author thinks it should be.

DQ12 · « **Reply #1224 on:** September 07, 2018, 03:00:07 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2018, 02:44:52 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on September 07, 2018, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: chum1 on September 07, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
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I would have thought that it was clearly constitutionally protected

Of course, it is.

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and that a public university had no power to punish such speech.

Good God, why? Because it's constitutionally protected? That's just dumb.
What do you think the speech is protected against if not government punishment?

I mean, the dude lost his case, right? That alone is an indication that the issue isn't as clear cut as the author thinks it should be.

Right, on qualified immunity grounds because there hasn't been a case which squares on all fours of this particular one. Based on the precedent that is out there and fairly analogous to this case (despite not being squarely on point), I think the Court would have been fine (and correct) to say "this is an established right that the university violated."

It's a very conservative move by the court -- too conservative in my view, but I'm an admitted mark for civil liberties and probably biased. The court essentially said that universities can punish students for online speech it deems "unprofessional" -- that's a worryingly vague standard in my eyes.