Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2018, 08:33:46 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 08:39:38 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2018, 08:54:31 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 08:58:20 AM
so, like, republicans are now the democrats and democrats are now the republicans on economic issues. it's like the small gov v. big gov flip of the early 1900s and the civil rights flip of the late 60s/70s.
I'm not sure the democrats have completely moved over to free trade or if the republicans will stick with the America First crap after Trump is gone.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 23, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 23, 2018, 09:03:37 AM
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2018, 09:05:44 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 09:11:35 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 23, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
He defended financially backing a pedophile politician and the president calling other countries shitholes. He's not even close to finding his limit.
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
FLIP FLOP
FLIP FLOP
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2018, 09:29:49 AM
Post by: sys on January 23, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
so, like, republicans are now the democrats and democrats are now the republicans on economic issues. it's like the small gov v. big gov flip of the early 1900s and the civil rights flip of the late 60s/70s.
I'm not sure the democrats have completely moved over to free trade or if the republicans will stick with the America First crap after Trump is gone.
i read a good thing on macron/macronism a couple days back. on the destruction of the left/right axis in french politics and incipient formation of a new axis along a technocrat/elite/global v populist/nationalist lines. you can see threads of the same in us politics, but, at least up to now, the existing parties have co-opted the divisions of the new axis into the existing parties (i'm not sure, but i also don't believe there is quite the same white v nonwhite division in french politics as in american, but perhaps that is changing).
the upside is that i'll feel more comfortable in a party of the global elite than i ever did in either of the old 'pubs or the old 'crats. the downside is when the ignorant, unwashed hordes are in power i have nothing.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2018, 09:46:28 AM
so, like, republicans are now the democrats and democrats are now the republicans on economic issues. it's like the small gov v. big gov flip of the early 1900s and the civil rights flip of the late 60s/70s.
I'm not sure the democrats have completely moved over to free trade or if the republicans will stick with the America First crap after Trump is gone.
i read a good thing on macron/macronism a couple days back. on the destruction of the left/right axis in french politics and incipient formation of a new axis along a technocrat/elite/global v populist/nationalist lines. you can see threads of the same in us politics, but, at least up to now, the existing parties have co-opted the divisions of the new axis into the existing parties (i'm not sure, but i also don't believe there is quite the same white v nonwhite division in french politics as in american, but perhaps that is changing).
the upside is that i'll feel more comfortable in a party of the global elite than i ever did in either of the old 'pubs or the old 'crats. the downside is when the ignorant, unwashed hordes are in power i have nothing.
I think the interesting thing about these divisions being co-opted by existing parties is that most people will not choose their party based upon their ideas, but will instead just start adopting the ideas that their chosen party does.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 23, 2018, 10:03:25 AM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
the dude would be pro killing his own mom if republicans wanted to
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 23, 2018, 10:09:19 AM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
the dude would be pro killing his own mom if republicans wanted to
I support free trade. I'm also not losing my crap over every little thing Trump does. This is not a big deal. Isn't it exhausting always being so hysterical?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 23, 2018, 10:13:55 AM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
the dude would be pro killing his own mom if republicans wanted to
I support free trade. I'm also not losing my crap over every little thing Trump does. This is not a big deal. Isn't it exhausting always being so hysterical?
pointing out your hypocrisy is far less exhausting than having to constantly flip flop on issues to defend a party. party defenders are an interesting group and you are one of the more interesting ones.
Post by: Cire on January 23, 2018, 10:20:29 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 23, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
so, like, republicans are now the democrats and democrats are now the republicans on economic issues. it's like the small gov v. big gov flip of the early 1900s and the civil rights flip of the late 60s/70s.
I'm not sure the democrats have completely moved over to free trade or if the republicans will stick with the America First crap after Trump is gone.
i read a good thing on macron/macronism a couple days back. on the destruction of the left/right axis in french politics and incipient formation of a new axis along a technocrat/elite/global v populist/nationalist lines. you can see threads of the same in us politics, but, at least up to now, the existing parties have co-opted the divisions of the new axis into the existing parties (i'm not sure, but i also don't believe there is quite the same white v nonwhite division in french politics as in american, but perhaps that is changing).
the upside is that i'll feel more comfortable in a party of the global elite than i ever did in either of the old 'pubs or the old 'crats. the downside is when the ignorant, unwashed hordes are in power i have nothing.
I think the interesting thing about these divisions being co-opted by existing parties is that most people will not choose their party based upon their ideas, but will instead just start adopting the ideas that their chosen party does.
i fail to see any examples of this in modern american politics
Post by: The Big Train on January 23, 2018, 10:36:57 AM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
the dude would be pro killing his own mom if republicans wanted to
I support free trade. I'm also not losing my crap over every little thing Trump does. This is not a big deal. Isn't it exhausting always being so hysterical?
pointing out your hypocrisy is far less exhausting than having to constantly flip flop on issues to defend a party. party defenders are an interesting group and you are one of the more interesting ones.
Flip flopping on issues to own the libs
Post by: _33 on January 23, 2018, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 23, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
I think what you are asking for is ever growing disparity in the fairness between US and its trading partners. I.e, the barack obama economic model that creates a super class of part time waiters and welfare recipients.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 23, 2018, 11:40:32 AM
The hysteria of American politics is a real problem and has been since Obama. Republicantards with Obama and now liberaltards with Trump. I don't remember people being as constantly hysterical before Obama, but maybe the rise of social media has just made the hysteria more obvious. omg have people always been hysterical about politics but it's only in the last 10 years that they were able to share their hysteria with the world? What an interesting epiphany I had midway through this post.
You don't remember the hysteria of the GWB era? They thought 9/11 was a sham to go to war over oil, or something.
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
The hysteria of American politics is a real problem and has been since Obama. Republicantards with Obama and now liberaltards with Trump. I don't remember people being as constantly hysterical before Obama, but maybe the rise of social media has just made the hysteria more obvious. omg have people always been hysterical about politics but it's only in the last 10 years that they were able to share their hysteria with the world? What an interesting epiphany I had midway through this post.
Why aren’t you making this point on the 5 other gE sports boards in a constant state of hysteria over the Wildcats/Chiefs/Royals?
Post by: 8manpick on January 23, 2018, 01:03:27 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2018, 01:17:40 PM
Post by: _33 on January 23, 2018, 02:07:46 PM
The hysteria of American politics is a real problem and has been since Obama. Republicantards with Obama and now liberaltards with Trump. I don't remember people being as constantly hysterical before Obama, but maybe the rise of social media has just made the hysteria more obvious. omg have people always been hysterical about politics but it's only in the last 10 years that they were able to share their hysteria with the world? What an interesting epiphany I had midway through this post.
Why aren’t you making this point on the 5 other gE sports boards in a constant state of hysteria over the Wildcats/Chiefs/Royals?
I dunno. :dunno:
Post by: Institutional Control on January 23, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2018, 02:23:50 PM
Why are Repubs so hellbent on saving coal mining jobs? Being a coal miner seems like a shitty job.
Because they really don't want to bother educating people and the options become pretty limited. They're also hellbent on keeping hard labor farming jobs open for American citizens.
Post by: puniraptor on January 23, 2018, 04:40:44 PM
is Oily McTillerson involved in this?
Post by: steve dave on January 23, 2018, 06:27:52 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on January 23, 2018, 06:36:14 PM
Post by: renocat on January 23, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
Davos Forum is where the globalists free traders elites meet to tear down and belittle America. Trump is going to tell them about his American first policy. Crap in their punch bowl Mr. Trump. They welcome to build plants in the US to build their stuff or compete on a level playing field
Post by: Phil Titola on January 23, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580101123/trump-aims-to-play-salesman-during-davos-economic-forum
Davos Forum is where the globalists free traders elites meet to tear down and belittle America. Trump is going to tell them about his American first policy. Crap in their punch bowl Mr. Trump. They welcome to build plants in the US to build their stuff or compete on a level playing field
He can't negotiate with a porn star properly, they will eat him alive given his empty support staff with only the likes of Stephen Miller.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 23, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
Post by: renocat on January 23, 2018, 07:48:20 PM
sizzleBig belly laugh.
Post by: Spracne on January 24, 2018, 12:17:25 AM
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Post by: treysolid on February 17, 2018, 08:02:14 AM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 17, 2018, 06:55:53 PM
Up next: steel and aluminum
There's already a 100% tariff on Chinese (and Russian) magnesium. Google Ira Rennert for a look into the political swamp. The ridiculous part of all of this is our politicians should make the raw materials as inexpensive as possible for US entrepreneurs to use their ingenuity to value add. Save the tariffs for finished goods if you want tariffs. Why would you make the raw materials more expensive for US based manufacturers?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 17, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Up next: steel and aluminum
There's already a 100% tariff on Chinese (and Russian) magnesium. Google Ira Rennert for a look into the political swamp. The ridiculous part of all of this is our politicians should make the raw materials as inexpensive as possible for US entrepreneurs to use their ingenuity to value add. Save the tariffs for finished goods if you want tariffs. Why would you make the raw materials more expensive for US based manufacturers?
we have some dying manufacturers of those products who need to be artificially propped up
Post by: bucket on March 01, 2018, 11:47:40 AM
:excited:
Post by: Joker on March 01, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2018, 12:26:23 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 01, 2018, 12:43:04 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 01, 2018, 12:54:42 PM
Woohoo! Pay raise!
Me too!
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Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2018, 01:01:06 PM
what a time to be alive
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2018, 01:01:27 PM
Woohoo! Pay raise!
:gocho:
Post by: The Big Train on March 01, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 01, 2018, 01:33:55 PM
so conservatives now support economic regulation, restricted markets, gun control measures, and limitations on constitutional rights
what a time to be alive
There are liberal regulations, restrictions, and limitations, and then there are MAGA regulations, restrictions, and limitations.
Post by: Joker on March 01, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/969075549791444992
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2018, 01:35:58 PM
so conservatives now support economic regulation, restricted markets, gun control measures, and limitations on constitutional rights
what a time to be alive
There are liberal regulations, restrictions, and limitations, and then there are MAGA regulations, restrictions, and limitations.
gotcha
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 01:36:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 01:37:52 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on March 01, 2018, 01:38:54 PM
DOW drops more than 500 points :excited:
He's hoping we get a 3rd 1000+ point drop in the span of like 4 weeks.
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
Trump is so bizarre...
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"nope. This is all totally part of a well thought plan that is in line with core conservative values. MAGA"
- some huge dipshit
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
New Theory: Trump doesn't like being President but is too proud to resign, so he's just trying to get voted out.
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That isn't a very well thought-out plan, given that it would take 3 years and he probably won't live much more than 10. So it sounds about right.
Post by: Joker on March 01, 2018, 03:37:17 PM
https://twitter.com/MillerCoors/status/969312916745973761
Post by: The Big Train on March 01, 2018, 03:40:33 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
New Theory: Trump doesn't like being President but is too proud to resign, so he's just trying to get voted out.
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Theory: he is actually still a Democrat and ran just to win then absolutely troll his GOP base by forcing them to come up with defenses for insanely contradictory positions. Its kind of a revenge thing forcing them to concoct new talking points
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2018, 03:46:38 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 01, 2018, 05:34:02 PM
This is gonna make beer more expensive. That sucks.Drink more bourbon.
Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
Good call SingleBarrel4MeThis is gonna make beer more expensive. That sucks.Drink more bourbon.
Post by: puniraptor on March 01, 2018, 06:00:23 PM
it is to our advantage to import raw materials at as low a cost as possible so we can make them into cool stuff
instead he wants to try to come back in a game we lost 30-40 years ago.
Post by: puniraptor on March 01, 2018, 06:07:01 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2018, 06:08:59 PM
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Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2018, 06:10:31 PM
this demonstrates trumps pitiful understanding of the modern US economy.
It demonstrates his lack of understanding of economics in general. But if we know anything about modern conservatism it’s that 90% of them will get in line because it’s our team v. Their team.
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Post by: puniraptor on March 01, 2018, 06:11:39 PM
instead he wants to try to come back in a game we lost 30-40 years ago.
I would like to revise this to "a game we intentionally outsourced 30-40 years ago in order to make cool stuff better"
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 06:31:49 PM
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Post by: IPA4Me on March 01, 2018, 08:10:51 PM
this demonstrates trumps pitiful understanding of the modern US economy.
It demonstrates his lack of understanding of economics in general. But if we know anything about modern conservatism it’s that 90% of them will get in line because it’s our team v. Their team.
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Sadly, true.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2018, 10:39:38 PM
Really I thought we’d advanced to a place politically that free trade was basically supported by all non-dumbasses.
Well, we elected a dumbass as president, so...
Post by: Phil Titola on March 02, 2018, 06:51:14 AM
Weird place we are in.
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2018, 07:05:41 AM
this demonstrates trumps pitiful understanding of the modern US economy.
It demonstrates his lack of understanding of economics in general. But if we know anything about modern conservatism it’s that 90% of them will get in line because it’s our team v. Their team.
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And any other conservatives are just RINOS/deep state.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 02, 2018, 07:49:32 AM
Post by: puniraptor on March 02, 2018, 07:56:51 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2018, 08:05:24 AM
Karma isn't sad
It kind of is though. At least in this instance where there are a ton of low IQ people who really wanted to believe in a guy/ideology and they are being absolutely taken to the cleaners.
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2018, 08:15:42 AM
holy crap :lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2018, 08:18:30 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2018, 08:19:17 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2018, 08:23:22 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 02, 2018, 08:26:29 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2018, 08:28:13 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2018, 08:28:57 AM
fighting to make the USA a net raw material exporter is certainly one route to take. let's go back to the great iron barren days! who's going to be the next andrew carnegie?
Some Chinese guy who owns the steel mills or some big bank that foreclosed on them when making steel in the US because economically impossible.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 02, 2018, 08:37:09 AM
fighting to make the USA a net raw material exporter is certainly one route to take. let's go back to the great iron barren days! who's going to be the next andrew carnegie?'member when US Steel was great?
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2018, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 02, 2018, 08:47:20 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on March 02, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
Post by: Joker on March 02, 2018, 09:24:00 AM
But at least we're putting the squeeze on all those damned foreign car manufacturers!
https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/969381091093213184
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Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Post by: Joker on March 02, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
https://twitter.com/ReutersBiz/status/969588337165131776
Post by: LickNeckey on March 02, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 02, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
Are you guys sick of winning yet?
Best thing is Trump isn’t going to quit winning for a few more years.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2018, 11:09:31 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 02, 2018, 01:02:42 PM
Post by: Gooch on March 02, 2018, 03:35:08 PM
The Economy is changing though steel is important it isnt going to save us by tariffing it. Things that would benefit the US would be by pushing Chinese influence out of the Western Hemisphere. Much like the European Union if we could effectively create a giant trading block it would benefit the US for generations. Things won't be perfect but a Marshall plan for Latin America would essentially remove any threat of Chinese influence. It's not going to be a popular idea for several on this board but by creating a Soft Power and Economic Juggernaut Superpower even China would retreat back to Asia and influence India. Which due to our allies in the Pacific we could essentially box them in their own borders.Oh you mean like TPP that the dipshit blew up?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 02, 2018, 04:38:13 PM
Are the ever used to change behavior?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
He really put a lot of thought into this one.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2018, 04:49:34 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
Are tariffs permanent?
Are the ever used to change behavior?
I’m excited for this new and completely nonsensical talking point that took 2 days and is the best that could be created.
Post by: The Big Train on March 02, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2018, 09:16:41 PM
Wasn't he a Republican too?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2018, 09:29:26 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2018, 09:56:25 PM
Am I the only person that remembers W. had a steel tariff?
Wasn't he a Republican too?
the market handed him his ass and it lasted like 8 months which seems likely to repeat itself here
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: mocat on March 02, 2018, 10:28:19 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_steel_tariff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_steel_tariff)Dick Gephart! Wow what a blast from the past
Post by: cfbandyman on March 02, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Are tariffs permanent?
Are the ever used to change behavior?
I’m excited for this new and completely nonsensical talking point that took 2 days and is the best that could be created.
Daxipad is too tired from all the winning to keep up, stop being so mean to #hisguy, both are growing old and senile after all.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 02, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
Every morning on time you could see him arrive
He stood 6 foot 3 and weighed 235
Kinda broad at the shoulder and fast with the lip
And everybody knew you didn’t give no crap to BIG DON
Big Don Big Don Big bad Don
Through the dust and the smoke of this Democrat hell
Walked a giant of a man that the patriots knew well
Grabbed a sagging economy and let out with a groan
And like a mighty oak tree he just stood there alone Big Don
I’m talking about our man Donald Trump
He’s the President now and all you chumps
Can just settle down and stay in your safe space
We’re about to make America a better place with Big Don
Big Don Big Don Big bad Don
Well old Don got to work cause we got problems to be solved
Then the democrats shouted
The Russians are involved
Brought their special counsel with Robert Mueller
Too bad the wall just got 10 feet taller with Big Don
Well they will lie and cheat and steal and threaten
And pander to illegals before our veterans
But we’re over these liberals leading our country in a hearse
It’s about time to put America first with Big Don
Big Don Big Don Big bad Don
We’re gonna put these criminals where they belong
We got people like Hannity and Julian Assange
And all the centipedes following Q anon
And Americans like me singing my song for Big Don
The path ain’t easy cause the Devil is working hard
But we got God on our side and he’s playing his Trump card
Just remember my countrymen to always stick together
Fake news can’t stop us from making this world better with Big Don
Big Don Big Don Big bad Don
When it’s all said and done America will be great
and we’ll build a statue to commemorate
A great man with these words on a slate
Thanks to the people’s power a man came from his tower
To save America in its final hour Big Don
Big Don Big Don Big Bad Don
Post by: Spracne on March 02, 2018, 11:02:33 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 03, 2018, 12:13:20 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 03, 2018, 08:50:34 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2018, 09:32:59 AM
Am I the only person that remembers W. had a steel tariff?
Wasn't he a Republican too?
Bush may seem like Einstein when you put him next to Trump, but there are reasons people thought he was a bit of a dipshit back when he was president.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 03, 2018, 10:12:53 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 03, 2018, 10:21:26 AM
Not bad, cat27
I can’t take credit, but I lol’d too
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2018, 12:48:23 PM
Trump certainly could end up being a worse president, but I don't think anyone can really claim Trump has presided over anything as disastrous as Iraq.
There's still time
Post by: Pendergast on March 04, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 04, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
LOL, at anyone that thinks we "free trade" with anyone.
no doubt, we need to big government trade as much as possible
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 04, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 04, 2018, 08:12:55 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 04, 2018, 10:48:55 PM
Quote
The goal of the tariffs proposed by Commerce and endorsed by the president isn’t to punish Chinese dumping or put an end to free trade. It’s to ensure that the United States retains any domestic steel and aluminum production at all. Like President Barack Obama’s controversial auto industry bailout in 2009, these tariffs are about keeping an industry for the future, not about making it profitable today.
If China has merely expressed concern over Trump’s plans, it’s because China is not really the target of the planned tariffs. China’s massive state-owned steel and aluminum firms may ultimately lie behind the world’s glutted markets, but Chinese products account for only a fraction of U.S. imports (2.2 percent for steel and 10.6 percent for aluminum). The real problem is that other countries—including allies like Canada and the European Union—have responded to years of Chinese dumping by subsidizing their own industries and imposing broad tariffs on Chinese steel. American antidumping measures have traditionally been more narrowly focused. In a sense, Trump is only catching up with what the rest of the world is doing already.
The simple fact is that the world produces much more steel and aluminum than it needs. A global shakeout is inevitable, and every country wants to make sure that its own industries are the ones that survive. The only question is: who will blink first? If one country has done a lot of blinking over the last twenty years, it’s the United States, as the Commerce Department report amply documents. Embracing a free-market approach, being reluctant to provide subsidies, applying very selective tariffs and never even thinking about nationalizing its strategic industries, the United States has consistently ceded market share to its satanist rivals overseas. The Trump tariffs bluntly but effectively draw a line under twenty years of creeping retreat.
In its evaluation of the Commerce Department reports, the Defense Department flatly concluded that “the systematic use of unfair trade practices to intentionally erode our innovation and manufacturing industrial base poses a risk to our national security” and agreed with the Commerce Department’s conclusion “that imports of foreign steel and aluminum based on unfair trading practices impair the national security.” Of the three national-security responses offered by Commerce, DoD preferred the second option, targeted tariffs, over the first (global tariffs) and third (global quotas).
Calling it a "national security" issue is very democrat-y
Post by: puniraptor on March 04, 2018, 11:08:07 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 05, 2018, 04:37:53 AM
maintaining domestic capacity in anticipation of a world war is really the only argument in favor of thisI don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Post by: bucket on March 05, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
False alarm everyone!
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 05, 2018, 11:48:46 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html)
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[D]espite the near-dogma status of free trade among economic writers, the proposed tariffs won’t end the world, and may even do some good.
First, let’s take them for what they are: temporary relief for specific sectors (steel and aluminum) facing a specific problem (global excess production capacity, propped up by foreign governmental subsidies). America has taken steps like this before, and did not slide down any slippery slope to autarky. This means that big-picture principles — like, “Free trade is good,” or, “Globalization decimated the American working class” — aren’t very helpful in assessing them.
For example, America’s trading partners have had to agree to increase their levels of intellectual property protection as a condition for more open access to American markets in agreements like Nafta and the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership. Yet proponents of these agreements have felt free to call them “free trade” treaties, even as these agreements instituted far higher levels of effective protection for specific sectors (mostly pharmaceuticals and software) than what was announced this past week for steel and aluminum.
It seems clear that protection for the profits of pharma and software companies agitates business writers and some economic policy experts far less than protection for manufacturing sectors heavy with blue-collar jobs. Is it any real shock that many believe that the rules of the game governing globalization have been rigged against typical American workers?
If we accept for a second that inconsistently applied first principles won’t get us very far in assessing the pros and cons of last week’s tariff announcements, it’s worth thinking about the specific challenges facing American steel and aluminum producers and how trade policy might help them.
Start with something everybody agrees upon: Global steel and aluminum sectors have large amounts of excess productive capacity. The problem is large enough that last year the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development issued a report on global excess steel capacity.
Generally, excess capacity pushes down prices, and less efficient firms that cannot make profits at these lower prices simply go out of business, pulling down capacity until it matches demand. But foreign producers of steel and aluminum, efficiently or not, have often been insulated from this competitive winnowing by government industrial policy that props them up — a fact bemoaned by both the G-20 and the Obama administration.
The proposed tariffs can provide a countervailing force against these foreign subsidies and protect American metal producers until a comprehensive solution is found. Am I confident that the Trump administration will back a smart and efficient solution to the larger problem? Not really — but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be happy to have some breathing room to find one.
Some would argue that we should just see foreign steel subsidies as a boon for American consumers, who can now enjoy lower prices driven by cheaper steel. But here’s where the relative size of these “killer” tariffs becomes clear — we’re talking about fractions of a percent in prices, one way or the other. And again, no one is telling pharmaceutical companies and their workers that their protections need to be stripped away so that others can enjoy cheaper prices.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 05, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 05, 2018, 11:59:13 AM
so it's kind of hilarious that Trump managed to turn liberals into unfettered free market capitalists overnight. :lol: But seriously, you should go ahead and find something else to freak out about (what's Trump tweeting today?). This whole meltdown over TRADE WARZ is idiotic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html)Quote[D]espite the near-dogma status of free trade among economic writers, the proposed tariffs won’t end the world, and may even do some good.
First, let’s take them for what they are: temporary relief for specific sectors (steel and aluminum) facing a specific problem (global excess production capacity, propped up by foreign governmental subsidies). America has taken steps like this before, and did not slide down any slippery slope to autarky. This means that big-picture principles — like, “Free trade is good,” or, “Globalization decimated the American working class” — aren’t very helpful in assessing them.
For example, America’s trading partners have had to agree to increase their levels of intellectual property protection as a condition for more open access to American markets in agreements like Nafta and the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership. Yet proponents of these agreements have felt free to call them “free trade” treaties, even as these agreements instituted far higher levels of effective protection for specific sectors (mostly pharmaceuticals and software) than what was announced this past week for steel and aluminum.
It seems clear that protection for the profits of pharma and software companies agitates business writers and some economic policy experts far less than protection for manufacturing sectors heavy with blue-collar jobs. Is it any real shock that many believe that the rules of the game governing globalization have been rigged against typical American workers?
If we accept for a second that inconsistently applied first principles won’t get us very far in assessing the pros and cons of last week’s tariff announcements, it’s worth thinking about the specific challenges facing American steel and aluminum producers and how trade policy might help them.
Start with something everybody agrees upon: Global steel and aluminum sectors have large amounts of excess productive capacity. The problem is large enough that last year the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development issued a report on global excess steel capacity.
Generally, excess capacity pushes down prices, and less efficient firms that cannot make profits at these lower prices simply go out of business, pulling down capacity until it matches demand. But foreign producers of steel and aluminum, efficiently or not, have often been insulated from this competitive winnowing by government industrial policy that props them up — a fact bemoaned by both the G-20 and the Obama administration.
The proposed tariffs can provide a countervailing force against these foreign subsidies and protect American metal producers until a comprehensive solution is found. Am I confident that the Trump administration will back a smart and efficient solution to the larger problem? Not really — but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be happy to have some breathing room to find one.
Some would argue that we should just see foreign steel subsidies as a boon for American consumers, who can now enjoy lower prices driven by cheaper steel. But here’s where the relative size of these “killer” tariffs becomes clear — we’re talking about fractions of a percent in prices, one way or the other. And again, no one is telling pharmaceutical companies and their workers that their protections need to be stripped away so that others can enjoy cheaper prices.
I think it's great that the democrats are taking free trade positions. It will improve their overall platform tremendously if they stick with that after Trump is gone.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2018, 11:59:52 AM
so it's kind of hilarious that Trump managed to turn liberals into unfettered free market capitalists overnight. :lol: But seriously, you should go ahead and find something else to freak out about (what's Trump tweeting today?). This whole meltdown over TRADE WARZ is idiotic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/trump-tariffs-trade-recession.html)Quote[D]espite the near-dogma status of free trade among economic writers, the proposed tariffs won’t end the world, and may even do some good.
First, let’s take them for what they are: temporary relief for specific sectors (steel and aluminum) facing a specific problem (global excess production capacity, propped up by foreign governmental subsidies). America has taken steps like this before, and did not slide down any slippery slope to autarky. This means that big-picture principles — like, “Free trade is good,” or, “Globalization decimated the American working class” — aren’t very helpful in assessing them.
For example, America’s trading partners have had to agree to increase their levels of intellectual property protection as a condition for more open access to American markets in agreements like Nafta and the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership. Yet proponents of these agreements have felt free to call them “free trade” treaties, even as these agreements instituted far higher levels of effective protection for specific sectors (mostly pharmaceuticals and software) than what was announced this past week for steel and aluminum.
It seems clear that protection for the profits of pharma and software companies agitates business writers and some economic policy experts far less than protection for manufacturing sectors heavy with blue-collar jobs. Is it any real shock that many believe that the rules of the game governing globalization have been rigged against typical American workers?
If we accept for a second that inconsistently applied first principles won’t get us very far in assessing the pros and cons of last week’s tariff announcements, it’s worth thinking about the specific challenges facing American steel and aluminum producers and how trade policy might help them.
Start with something everybody agrees upon: Global steel and aluminum sectors have large amounts of excess productive capacity. The problem is large enough that last year the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development issued a report on global excess steel capacity.
Generally, excess capacity pushes down prices, and less efficient firms that cannot make profits at these lower prices simply go out of business, pulling down capacity until it matches demand. But foreign producers of steel and aluminum, efficiently or not, have often been insulated from this competitive winnowing by government industrial policy that props them up — a fact bemoaned by both the G-20 and the Obama administration.
The proposed tariffs can provide a countervailing force against these foreign subsidies and protect American metal producers until a comprehensive solution is found. Am I confident that the Trump administration will back a smart and efficient solution to the larger problem? Not really — but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be happy to have some breathing room to find one.
Some would argue that we should just see foreign steel subsidies as a boon for American consumers, who can now enjoy lower prices driven by cheaper steel. But here’s where the relative size of these “killer” tariffs becomes clear — we’re talking about fractions of a percent in prices, one way or the other. And again, no one is telling pharmaceutical companies and their workers that their protections need to be stripped away so that others can enjoy cheaper prices.
Interestingly enough both NAFTA and the TPP were advanced by Democratic Presidents and generally speaking Free Trade has been supported by educated and affluent Americans across the political spectrum for some time.
That being said you will never guess which party changed its opinions in the last election cycle...
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/25/support-for-free-trade-agreements-rebounds-modestly-but-wide-partisan-differences-remain/
Among Republicans, positive views of free trade plummeted during the presidential contest, when Donald Trump made opposition to trade agreements a signature issue of his campaign.
In October, just 29% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said free trade agreements have been good for the U.S., down from 56% just a year-and-a-half earlier. Today, 36% of Republicans view trade agreements positively, an increase of seven percentage points from October.
Democrats were far more supportive than Republicans of free trade agreements throughout the presidential campaign, and remain so today. Currently, 67% of Democrats and Democratic leaners say free trade agreements have been good for the U.S., up from 59% in October.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 12:12:12 PM
Pointing out that Republicans bail on their positions because Trump said so and they are scared to stand up for their principles has been great fun.
It’s the best running joke in the Pit.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 12:15:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
I'm not surprised at all that democrats like what people in the pit are calling "free trade" and that republicans oppose unequal psuedo-"free trade" deals like those cited in the NYT article above.
So you support tariffs on steel and aluminum?
Post by: Joker on March 05, 2018, 12:46:08 PM
I am by no means a liberal or Democrat. But I think it's important to call out Trump (or any president) when he proposes/says stupid crap.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 12:50:42 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
I'm not surprised at all that democrats like what people in the pit are calling "free trade" and that republicans oppose unequal psuedo-"free trade" deals like those cited in the NYT article above.
#woke
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 01:31:15 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on March 05, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
Pointing out that Republicans bail on their positions because Drumpf said so and they are scared to stand up for their principles has been great fun.
It’s the best running joke in the Pit.
It really is. The mind warp is fantastic.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 03:16:19 PM
Pointing out that Republicans bail on their positions because Drumpf said so and they are scared to stand up for their principles has been great fun.
It’s the best running joke in the Pit.
It really is. The mind warp is fantastic.
With Trump's moves getting less and less conservative the lag time between his announcements and the internet's ability to churn out talking points to support the latest Trump maneuver gets longer. That's why I said eventually any true conservative will have to just throw in the towel.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 08:06:05 PM
Lol, it's literally the backbone of MAGA. He won PA, OH, MI, WI, etc on this promise.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 08:07:16 PM
Wait, you guys are surprised by this????
Lol, it's literally the backbone of MAGA. He won PA, OH, MI, WI, etc on this promise.
Didn’t think he’d turn into a lib but you are right.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 10:45:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
Struggling to reconcile with the "he lied to his base" quip you've posted 1000x in the pit???
Did he promise steel tariffs? I’ll agree with you if he did.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 11:12:11 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 11:17:12 PM
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Indeed, Trump’s great attention to industrial areas in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana - Mike Pence’s home state - and Wisconsin - where Hillary Clinton was conspicuously a no-show - are credited with tilting the scales in his favour, leading to a surprise victory in 2016.
During the election campaign, Trump had promised the “rust belt” (battered as all manner of industrial production has moved offshore, particularly to Asia) that he would use the tools of trade restrictions to create a climate for re-growth. So, with his announcement this past week that he would soon be imposing import tariffs on imports of steel (25%), and aluminum (10%), he was keeping one of many campaign promises, albeit the one that, arguably, got him elected.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
I don't want you to agree with me. You are a moron and a banal troll.
You desperately want anyone to agree with you
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 06, 2018, 10:28:11 AM
I don't want you to agree with me. You are a moron and a banal troll.
This would be useful feedback for the ‘why has our board gotten so shitty text thread’
Post by: Joker on March 06, 2018, 11:21:22 AM
Sure, the "American first, rah rah" mantra has been there from the get go, but it doesn't make these economic ideas any less stupid.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2018, 11:37:06 AM
I don't want you to agree with me. You are a moron and a banal troll.
This would be useful feedback for the ‘why has our board gotten so shitty text thread’
"Banal troll" being the key phrase. There are about six boring, tired posters posting the same boring tired crap over and over in the pit.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2018, 11:37:48 AM
His stance isn't surprising at all. He has never held conservative views, other than when it's been politically convenient. He's been very open about his brand of populist nationalism.
Sure, the "American first, rah rah" mantra has been there from the get go, but it doesn't make these economic ideas any less stupid.
Well the libtards are completely surprised and they obsess over trump.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 06, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
His stance isn't surprising at all. He has never held conservative views, other than when it's been politically convenient. He's been very open about his brand of populist nationalism.
Sure, the "American first, rah rah" mantra has been there from the get go, but it doesn't make these economic ideas any less stupid.
Well the libtards are completely surprised and they obsess over trump.
repetitive
Post by: DQ12 on March 06, 2018, 02:07:19 PM
tired posters posting the same boring tired crap over and overmods please change the name of The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit to the above, TIA
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2018, 10:32:33 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 07, 2018, 11:09:43 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 07, 2018, 12:18:10 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 07, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2018, 12:33:09 PM
So has the Republican position on tariffs officially changed? Or is the party now just taking on their presidents approach of chaos theory to get things done?
the non-moderate republican position has changed to match whatever trump has said this week since he was elected. it's turned into a very fluid party.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 07, 2018, 12:35:40 PM
So has the Republican position on tariffs officially changed? Or is the party now just taking on their presidents approach of chaos theory to get things done?
i cannot answer this until i check my twitter feed.
Post by: puniraptor on March 07, 2018, 01:35:05 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 07, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
We massively subsidize agricultural production
Rightly so
Post by: LickNeckey on March 07, 2018, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: sys on March 07, 2018, 02:43:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 07, 2018, 05:19:31 PM
So has the Republican position on tariffs officially changed? Or is the party now just taking on their presidents approach of chaos theory to get things done?
the non-moderate republican position has changed to match whatever trump has said this week since he was elected. it's turned into a very fluid party.
It’s so fun
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 07, 2018, 07:40:51 PM
Did not realize that foreign govs are massively subsidizing their VHS cassette industries. But if so, we should definitely slap a tariff on that obsolete technology.
I think the point could be that steel and alunimum are obsolete building materials. :dunno:
It's a very strong analogy.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 07, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
Did not realize that foreign govs are massively subsidizing their VHS cassette industries. But if so, we should definitely slap a tariff on that obsolete technology.
I think the point could be that steel and alunimum are obsolete building materials. :dunno:
It's a very strong analogy.
Lol
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2018, 11:07:12 AM
But it should be understood that the Chinese government has a trillion dollars in play for strategic capital and real estate acquisition around the globe.
Now we’re either going to wreck them like we did the Japanese in the 80’s with a sell high, buy back low scheme. Or, they got that figured out and learned from that.
What at least partially funds this Trillion dollar plus war chest for acquisition? Is it good that Chinese are buying up strategic assets around the globe?
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Post by: Kat Kid on March 08, 2018, 02:26:26 PM
I know in the pseudo intellectual world of the Never Trumper, critical thinking is scant.
But it should be understood that the Chinese government has a trillion dollars in play for strategic capital and real estate acquisition around the globe.
Now we’re either going to wreck them like we did the Japanese in the 80’s with a sell high, buy back low scheme. Or, they got that figured out and learned from that.
What at least partially funds this Trillion dollar plus war chest for acquisition? Is it good that Chinese are buying up strategic assets around the globe?
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I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about, but there are definitely loads of rich Chinese that will lose money buying up NYC/SF/Vancouver real estate, then yeah they will lose money.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 11, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 11, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
Trump and Pocahantas are aligned on this one. Let the partisan gymnastics begin.
It’s a shitty trade policy.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2018, 03:50:17 PM
Trump and Pocahantas are aligned on this one. Let the partisan gymnastics begin.It's dumb policy.
Post by: bucket on March 22, 2018, 09:45:21 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 22, 2018, 09:50:38 AM
Post by: renocat on April 05, 2018, 01:20:31 PM
"In a tit-for-tat response to the Trump administration’s plan for 25 percent duties on $50 billion of Chinese imports, China hit back with its own list of similar duties on key American imports including soybeans, planes, cars, beef and chemicals. But officials signaled no interest for now in bringing their vast holdings of U.S. Treasuries to the fight.
China held around $1.17 trillion of Treasuries as of the end of January, making it the largest of America's foreign creditors and the No. 2 overall owner of U.S. government bonds after the Federal Reserve. Any move by China to chop its Treasury portfolio could inflict significant harm on U.S. finances and global investors, driving bond yields higher and making it more costly to finance the federal government."
Post by: puniraptor on April 30, 2018, 11:15:54 PM
this will surely help our position in asia
Post by: bucket on May 29, 2018, 11:28:30 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2018, 11:34:43 AM
Since apparently, allowing the Chinese to do whatever they want/wanted from a trade perspective was perfectly fine.
I mean, it bankrupted a U.S. strategic minerals company that's now owned, by a Chinese company (among many other issues).
LIBBOTS, so worried about spy ware in one Chinese companies electronics yet don't seem to care that many of the U.S.'s core network technology and security devices are built in . . . China, but good ol 'Merica companies.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2018, 08:15:06 AM
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2018, 10:05:34 AM
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2018, 10:14:58 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 10:41:27 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 10:55:18 AM
Were foreign companies bankrupting American businesses in the 1920's?
So Volkswagon killed Pontiac? Good to know.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 11:02:30 AM
Were foreign companies bankrupting American businesses in the 1920's?
So Volkswagon killed Pontiac? Good to know.
No GM did and that had nothing to do with steel, but, good effort I suppose.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 11:04:30 AM
Were foreign companies bankrupting American businesses in the 1920's?
So Volkswagon killed Pontiac? Good to know.
No GM did and that had nothing to do with steel, but, good effort I suppose.
"Effort" would be my responsibility if I was the person who was trying to draw parallels between things that don't have parallels.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 11:06:54 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 11:19:25 AM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2018, 11:21:27 AM
Post by: sys on May 31, 2018, 11:30:03 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trump-reportedly-said-he-wants-to-stop-german-luxury-car-imports-in-the-us.html
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Trump reportedly told Macron that he would maintain the ban until no Mercedes-Benz cars are seen on Fifth Avenue in New York.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2018, 11:33:10 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 31, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 11:51:11 AM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.
Are Tariff's permanent things? Was the EU invited to the negotiating table? Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2018, 12:06:52 PM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
The motherfucking Dutch is the clear answer
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.
Are Tariff's permanent things? Was the EU invited to the negotiating table? Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?
No. You think European Steel and Aluminum companies are going to build mills in the US? :lol: :lol: Sure, I mean, if they like losing money :lol: :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 01:03:27 PM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.
Are Tariff's permanent things? Was the EU invited to the negotiating table? Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?
No. You think European Steel and Aluminum companies are going to build mills in the US? :lol: :lol: Sure, I mean, if they like losing money :lol: :lol:
It was a pretty simple question. Why would they lose money?
For example the I-85 corridor between CLT and ATL and particularly around the GVSP area is filled with offices and plants from Euro based companies.
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 01:22:22 PM
So which European companies are bankrupting our steel and aluminum industries?
Apparently you haven't noticed the general trendline of the steel industry in the United States.
GM dumped Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn because they were basically the exact same cars as most other GM lines only with slightly different body styles. Built on the same chassis and platforms, unnecessary redundancy. To turn those lines back into viable stand alone entities with their own real design shops and ability to essentially go their own way would have cost GM money they did not have.
Any other questions?
I have noticed this. And I know something about this trend that you don't know - foreign companies may be holding the knife, but American companies put the knife in their hands. Throughout all of the 90s and the aughts, American companies that use lots of steel have sent their best metallurgical engineers to dumphole mills in india, china and other developing nations to teach them how to make high-quality steel. Because for those companies, it makes total sense - teach these other nations how to make really good steel = more supply = cheaper steel. Trump can apply the tariffs, but American manufacturers are just going to find new mills in other developing nations and coach 'em up. This isn't going to stop.
Are Tariff's permanent things? Was the EU invited to the negotiating table? Will these tariffs drive more investment by European companies in the U.S. for things like plants etc. etc?
No. You think European Steel and Aluminum companies are going to build mills in the US? :lol: :lol: Sure, I mean, if they like losing money :lol: :lol:
It was a pretty simple question. Why would they lose money?
For example the I-85 corridor between CLT and ATL and particularly around the GVSP area is filled with offices and plants from Euro based companies.
...in other industries. None of those are steel mills. You correctly noted a handful of posts ago that American steel is failing. With disadvantages like a highly-paid workforce and a relative dearth of local ore, why would a foreign company do better here?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 31, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
Post by: sys on May 31, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeiKqe4WsAAyHNr.jpg)
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1002228740959719424
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2018, 03:36:33 PM
Instead of constantly changing the parameters of your argument, you should really just give up the ghost alot quicker during your bullshitting sessions
What parameters changed? Seems like pretty logical questions being that I live in part of the world that has a substantial Euro industrial presence, and a fairly substantial steel industry as well.
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2018, 09:21:54 PM
https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1002370977303531520
Post by: wetwillie on May 31, 2018, 09:25:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
Looks like those sum bitches south of the border are going to pay for that wall after all!
should help our trade deficit south of the border that our president keeps tweeting about for sure
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2018, 11:27:59 PM
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Post by: bucket on June 01, 2018, 09:14:50 PM
He warned us you guys :horrorsurprise:
Post by: treysolid on June 01, 2018, 09:27:29 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 14, 2018, 11:40:53 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 15, 2018, 09:18:59 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1007627691791650816
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 15, 2018, 09:57:38 AM
Reagan is the reason we have a lot of the problems we have now. He decimated unions, increased wealth inequality through his disastrous tax cuts, tripled the debt during his time, deregulated everything he could. However, for some reason people believe he’s a saint I have no idea why people love him. The dream of Reagan and his ilk was to make the US entirely as broke and screwed as Kansas and Mississippi.
Well friend, in the context of the Great Recession nothing was as painful as the repeal of Glass Steagill and the constant pressure by the Clinton Administration to loosen mortgage lending requirements. Which even had the hated W administration warning on Fannie and Freddie straight out.
In regards to unions. What was the primer for the biggest bailout in US corporate history?
Post by: bucket on June 18, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 18, 2018, 06:53:55 PM
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Post by: treysolid on June 19, 2018, 07:33:11 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
gobbling up that tax break to own the libs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2018, 08:31:25 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on June 19, 2018, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 10:53:14 AM
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2018, 10:17:27 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 25, 2018, 09:25:11 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 25, 2018, 09:30:38 AM
Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1011219548090126336
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
Good thing they got that corporate tax cut before they decided to close factories and move overseas
The headline conveniently omitted the production was moving to "existing facilities ". I think you just made up in your tiny brain that factories here would be closed.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 12:58:47 PM
this could go in the tax thread just as easily.
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1011219548090126336
Keep your fingers crossed, libtard
Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 01:01:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 25, 2018, 01:08:13 PM
Good thing they got that corporate tax cut before they decided to close factories and move overseas
The headline conveniently omitted the production was moving to "existing facilities ". I think you just made up in your tiny brain that factories here would be closed.
They literally just closed the kc factory
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2018, 01:13:15 PM
Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
I look forward to the talking point that someone wants a recession. It will out the dumbest of the dumb
he's accidentally right, in my case. i mean i'd probably prefer it if asset prices would decline without a recession. but whatever gets the job done.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 25, 2018, 01:22:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 01:23:37 PM
Good thing they got that corporate tax cut before they decided to close factories and move overseas
The headline conveniently omitted the production was moving to "existing facilities ". I think you just made up in your tiny brain that factories here would be closed.
They literally just closed the kc factory
How clarevoyent :lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on June 25, 2018, 01:25:08 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
I look forward to the talking point that someone wants a recession. It will out the dumbest of the dumb
I love it when the libtard not only misses sarcasm directed at the libtard, but also attacks it. :love:
So self unaware. :lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
You're right, probably not in any way connected
Not according to HOG, if we are to believe them. I mean, it was weeks before the tariffs were announced and the jobs moved to Pennsylvania. Unions were very mad.
Nice try though.
Post by: catastrophe on June 25, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
this could go in the tax thread just as easily.
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1011219548090126336
At this point, I won't be impressed by anyone/anything that correctly predicts a recession. We are way overdue for one. Although I did read something suggesting that a significant market drop this year would be next to impossible because of the amount of available cash floating around. Any time the market drops it will just keep getting propped up by folks taking advantage of lower prices.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 25, 2018, 02:14:50 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2018, 02:27:34 PM
I look forward to the talking point that someone wants a recession. It will out the dumbest of the dumb
he's accidentally right, in my case. i mean i'd probably prefer it if asset prices would decline without a recession. but whatever gets the job done.
I want a great economy until I retire. Then bring on the deflation
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
I look forward to the talking point that someone wants a recession. It will out the dumbest of the dumb
I love it when the libtard not only misses sarcasm directed at the libtard, but also attacks it. :love:
So self unaware. :lol:
That is such an odd thing to love. You must be an irl weird dude.
Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 02:31:12 PM
I want a great economy until I retire. Then bring on the deflation
i guess if you knew the deflation was coming, you could allocate advantageously.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
I want a great economy until I retire. Then bring on the deflation
i guess if you knew the deflation was coming, you could allocate advantageously.
If you knew inflation was coming, also
Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 02:34:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 25, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
Post by: CHONGS on June 26, 2018, 11:04:47 AM
Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 11:07:12 AM
Should we boo during Harley Day? KSU AD is going to have to make a tough decision this fall.
i imagine it will be cancelled.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2018, 11:12:57 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 01, 2018, 10:32:42 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 02, 2018, 08:28:07 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 02, 2018, 09:16:09 AM
You're going to have to accept this isn't a couple weeks thing, dumbfucksYou must get tired trying to defend him....doing things your party has always hated.
Who knew apprentice had such die hard fans.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 02, 2018, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 03, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1014146835135516672
Post by: Brock Landers on July 03, 2018, 11:21:31 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 11:26:50 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 03, 2018, 11:31:58 AM
telling MAGAs that they now have to hate Harleys may a bridge too far.It will definitely be a test of their love. I'm monitoring some confirmed MAGA now that own HD to see which way they break.
Dax....you keeping your HD?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 03, 2018, 11:36:29 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 03, 2018, 11:41:14 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
There won’t be many that clueless but a few..
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
Most trumpers are too poor for a Harley anyway
But the rad T-shirt’s aren’t too much
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 03, 2018, 11:47:17 AM
Most trumpers are too poor for a Harley anyway
Yeah. The Walmart boycott is the one that they will truly struggle with.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/retail/2018/07/03/walmart-impeach-45-apparel-boycott-trump-social-media-outcry/754000002/
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 03, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 12:24:11 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 03, 2018, 01:03:53 PM
But you guys are so out of your minds, it's extremely hard to keep track of what you're pissed off about these days, but everything seems to be pretty close.
Post by: steve dave on July 03, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Hating on Harley Davidson appears to be in the lead
this thing was over before it began
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on July 03, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dutch-prime-minister-mark-rutte-034930544.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_14 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/dutch-prime-minister-mark-rutte-034930544.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_14)
Dutch guy seems desperate to get a new trade deal done on Donald's terms.
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“If we do work it out, that’ll be positive, and if we don’t, it’ll be positive also, because...” Trump said.
“No!” Rutte interjected with a smile.
“Well, just think about those cars that pour in here, and we’ll do something, right?” Trump replied.
But Rutte ? still smiling ? wasn’t having it.
“It’s not positive,” he said. “We have to work something out.”
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 02:50:36 PM
Hating on Harley Davidson appears to be in the lead
this thing was over before it began
No doubt. Now we get to to see some trumpers boycotting Harleys, to own the libs
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
LibBot Nation suddenly being very concerned about motor cycles (likely) predominately bought by white old conservative people (not for me, thanks) appears to be the lead.
But you guys are so out of your minds, it's extremely hard to keep track of what you're pissed off about these days, but everything seems to be pretty close.
yes, if you didn't have an opinion about motorcycles until a century old American manufacturer moves off shore due to tariffs dax will kindly ask you to STFU.
Post by: steve dave on July 03, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
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Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 10:09:47 AM
I honestly don’t understand why people think Trump supporters are all poor Hicks or steel workers or something. They are literally the exact same people that voted for Romney. They are just republicans.
it helps them rationalize voting for ben sasse.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2018, 10:41:44 AM
I honestly don’t understand why people honk Trump supporters are all poor Hicks or steel workers or something. They are literally the exact same people that voted for Romney. They are just republicans.
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Because it's pretty frightening that educated normal people would vote for trump
Post by: ChiComCat on July 06, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
I honestly don’t understand why people honk Trump supporters are all poor Hicks or steel workers or something. They are literally the exact same people that voted for Romney. They are just republicans.
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I'm less concerned about people voting for Trump and more concerned with people bending their morals to support his presidency
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
Post by: sys on July 10, 2018, 08:21:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JGodiasMurphy/status/1016707675973877761
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2018, 08:37:20 PM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Post by: Phil Titola on July 10, 2018, 10:01:03 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Steve is Orin Hatch?
Phil . . . I suppose you support the ongoing Chinese technology theft and copyright infringement, among many things?
Why are LibBots doubling down on the $1 trillion plus annual U.S. trade deficit with the world? Why won't these countries come to table and work out new trade deals . . . wait, who wants to negotiate away a $1 trillion plus (combined) trade advantage? So, we spend (approx) $300 billion dollars a year to protect "Old Europe" (Barrack Obama) from the evil Vlad Putin, oh, and you guys also get to slap high tariffs on our stuff, and enjoy a several hundred billion dollar plus trade surplus with us as well. What a deal! LibBots . . . "SIGN US UP"!
Post by: Phil Titola on July 10, 2018, 10:29:59 PM
where were you in 2006 dax?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/US_Trade_Balance_1980_2014.svg)
Post by: treysolid on July 10, 2018, 10:37:52 PM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Steve is Orin Hatch?
Phil . . . I suppose you support the ongoing Chinese technology theft and copyright infringement, among many things?
Why are LibBots doubling down on the $1 trillion plus annual U.S. trade deficit with the world? Why won't these countries come to table and work out new trade deals . . . wait, who wants to negotiate away a $1 trillion plus (combined) trade advantage? So, we spend (approx) $300 billion dollars a year to protect "Old Europe" (Barrack Obama) from the evil Vlad Putin, oh, and you guys also get to slap high tariffs on our stuff, and enjoy a several hundred billion dollar plus trade surplus with us as well. What a deal! LibBots . . . "SIGN US UP"!
hmmm...didn't you support the deal to save ZTE?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2018, 07:11:49 AM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Steve is Orin Hatch?
Phil . . . I suppose you support the ongoing Chinese technology theft and copyright infringement, among many things?
Why are LibBots doubling down on the $1 trillion plus annual U.S. trade deficit with the world? Why won't these countries come to table and work out new trade deals . . . wait, who wants to negotiate away a $1 trillion plus (combined) trade advantage? So, we spend (approx) $300 billion dollars a year to protect "Old Europe" (Barrack Obama) from the evil Vlad Putin, oh, and you guys also get to slap high tariffs on our stuff, and enjoy a several hundred billion dollar plus trade surplus with us as well. What a deal! LibBots . . . "SIGN US UP"!
hmmm...didn't you support the deal to save ZTE?
Bucket, is ZTE under new operating management and with an entirely new board of directors (as forced by the United States)? Is ZTE being forced to negotiate the terms of a new operating agreement with Washington before the ban on Qualcomm (one example) selling them chips is lifted? Will ZTE have to pay the U.S. $1 billion dollars before the ban is lifted?
Are there any other Chinese companies facing the same type of requirements before purchasing agreements et. al. with U.S. companies are allowed to resume?
Post by: Phil Titola on July 11, 2018, 08:24:09 AM
You mean like the $200B in new tariffs being announced? Republicans...tarriffing platform since 2017.defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Steve is Orin Hatch?
Phil . . . I suppose you support the ongoing Chinese technology theft and copyright infringement, among many things?
Why are LibBots doubling down on the $1 trillion plus annual U.S. trade deficit with the world? Why won't these countries come to table and work out new trade deals . . . wait, who wants to negotiate away a $1 trillion plus (combined) trade advantage? So, we spend (approx) $300 billion dollars a year to protect "Old Europe" (Barrack Obama) from the evil Vlad Putin, oh, and you guys also get to slap high tariffs on our stuff, and enjoy a several hundred billion dollar plus trade surplus with us as well. What a deal! LibBots . . . "SIGN US UP"!
hmmm...didn't you support the deal to save ZTE?
Bucket, is ZTE under new operating management and with an entirely new board of directors (as forced by the United States)? Is ZTE being forced to negotiate the terms of a new operating agreement with Washington before the ban on Qualcomm (one example) selling them chips is lifted? Will ZTE have to pay the U.S. $1 billion dollars before the ban is lifted?
Are there any other Chinese companies facing the same type of requirements before purchasing agreements et. al. with U.S. companies are allowed to resume?
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2018, 08:52:03 AM
defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
You think I’m a fake centrist? My goodness.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2018, 10:03:17 AM
You mean like the $200B in new tariffs being announced? Republicans...tarriffing platform since 2017.defending protectionist economic policy to own the libs. smdh my damn head dax.
Acquiescing to unfair trade policies by our so called partners who we spend billions to protect from the evil Vlad Putin is so perfectly fake centrist.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1016834455812608000
"Fake Centrist"
Steve is Orin Hatch?
Phil . . . I suppose you support the ongoing Chinese technology theft and copyright infringement, among many things?
Why are LibBots doubling down on the $1 trillion plus annual U.S. trade deficit with the world? Why won't these countries come to table and work out new trade deals . . . wait, who wants to negotiate away a $1 trillion plus (combined) trade advantage? So, we spend (approx) $300 billion dollars a year to protect "Old Europe" (Barrack Obama) from the evil Vlad Putin, oh, and you guys also get to slap high tariffs on our stuff, and enjoy a several hundred billion dollar plus trade surplus with us as well. What a deal! LibBots . . . "SIGN US UP"!
hmmm...didn't you support the deal to save ZTE?
Bucket, is ZTE under new operating management and with an entirely new board of directors (as forced by the United States)? Is ZTE being forced to negotiate the terms of a new operating agreement with Washington before the ban on Qualcomm (one example) selling them chips is lifted? Will ZTE have to pay the U.S. $1 billion dollars before the ban is lifted?
Are there any other Chinese companies facing the same type of requirements before purchasing agreements et. al. with U.S. companies are allowed to resume?
You're never even close these days.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 11, 2018, 10:26:51 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2018, 11:44:01 AM
Don’t mind me over here guys, just tossing rope to dax calling me a rino :love:
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Overcompensation
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
What a dick lol
Post by: sys on July 17, 2018, 04:30:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 17, 2018, 04:36:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 17, 2018, 04:53:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 17, 2018, 04:56:37 PM
https://twitter.com/lieber2k/status/1019242167976513536
I'll presume that the EU which as of May 2018 enjoyed a very healthy trade surplus with the United States would be open to sitting down with the U.S. and discuss lowering their overall unweighted tariff which is a full percentage point higher than the United States places on goods coming in from the EU (pre trade war).
The EU annual take on fewer U.S. goods coming in, accounts for billions of $ more in tariffs, than the annual take going in the opposite direction.
But per LibBots, that's fair.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 17, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/397447-trump-is-winning-the-trade-war-because-china-has-more-to-loseRepublicans loving tariffs since 2017.
Post by: steve dave on July 17, 2018, 08:37:52 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 17, 2018, 11:21:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 03:01:53 AM
I guess you guys just blew right by the lowering of the unweighted tariff part.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 03:31:16 AM
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Post by: steve dave on July 18, 2018, 08:24:10 AM
That is all of them, steve dave.
no it's not. that's just the elected ones.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 18, 2018, 08:43:51 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.Liars use figures they always say.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Post by: sys on July 18, 2018, 09:14:10 AM
That is all of them, steve dave.
no it's not. that's just the elected ones.
evidence suggests it to be about 88% of all of them, elected or not.
Post by: catastrophe on July 18, 2018, 09:18:39 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Dax, I don’t want to get super sciency with you right now, so I’ll just say this: the reason like 99% of economists think a trade war is a bad idea is NOT because they’re concerned any one side is going to win too much.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 09:47:21 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.Liars use figures they always say.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
So those things aren’t happening?
Lotta liars in the Asian financial analyst community, then. Should we alert the SEC or similar?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 09:50:03 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Dax, I don’t want to get super sciency with you right now, so I’ll just say this: the reason like 99% of economists think a trade war is a bad idea is NOT because they’re concerned any one side is going to win too much.
No crap, but you’ve got the armchair economists in the MSM saying China is not being hurt. They are.
What part of “not saying this is necessarily good” was confusing?
Post by: Phil Titola on July 18, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 18, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
You really expect us to take your throw away hedging comments as anymore more than CYA when this doesn't work how Trump thinks it will?Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Dax, I don’t want to get super sciency with you right now, so I’ll just say this: the reason like 99% of economists think a trade war is a bad idea is NOT because they’re concerned any one side is going to win too much.
No crap, but you’ve got the armchair economists in the MSM saying China is not being hurt. They are.
What part of “not saying this is necessarily good” was confusing?
Post by: ChiComCat on July 18, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Dax, I don’t want to get super sciency with you right now, so I’ll just say this: the reason like 99% of economists think a trade war is a bad idea is NOT because they’re concerned any one side is going to win too much.
No crap, but you’ve got the armchair economists in the MSM saying China is not being hurt. They are.
What part of “not saying this is necessarily good” was confusing?
I haven't heard anybody say China is not being hurt. I've only heard people say both sides are being hurt.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 11:18:29 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/us-china-trade-war-chinese-stocks-fall-tariffs-may-ultimately-help.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/06/27/stock-market-says-china-a-loser-in-trade-war/#2271016f14ce
I'm not saying this is good long term, I'm not saying there's going to be a winner or a loser, I'm just saying their stock market has been taken some pretty hard hits since the trade war started, and they're corp bond market (as artificial as it is) is taking hard hits as well. There's even a school of thought that China's economy is every bit the ponzi scheme as some say ours is, even more so.
We have a tough issues with China and have to walk a fine line. Huge trade deficits with them mean we're financing their increasingly high tech military, but they're financing our debt. We finance their growing military while they attempt to essentially take over the South China Sea and use their money to buy influence all across the globe. A pickle
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Shanghai index is down 7 percent since the trade war started, the Yuan is down against the dollar, Chinese Corp bond defaults are accelerating.
Not saying these are necessarily good things, in fact it could be quite bad. But this counters some of the talk that a trade war with China is fully advantage China. That is not the case.
Dax, I don’t want to get super sciency with you right now, so I’ll just say this: the reason like 99% of economists think a trade war is a bad idea is NOT because they’re concerned any one side is going to win too much.
No crap, but you’ve got the armchair economists in the MSM saying China is not being hurt. They are.
What part of “not saying this is necessarily good” was confusing?
I haven't heard anybody say China is not being hurt. I've only heard people say both sides are being hurt.
I consistently see commentary in social media that China is going to "destroy" us in a trade war, and other similar comments. Those parrots are getting their talking points from some "expert" somewhere, I'm sure.
Post by: catastrophe on July 18, 2018, 12:56:55 PM
Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 04:18:49 PM
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Johnson asked the businessmen and women to raise their hands if they saw any advantages to the tariffs – no one did.
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Post by: treysolid on July 20, 2018, 02:04:55 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1019392883399544832QuoteJohnson asked the businessmen and women to raise their hands if they saw any advantages to the tariffs – no one did.
those of us with half a brain sold our soybean futures at $10.50 a bushel. sorry, stupid farmers!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 20, 2018, 03:15:59 PM
Post by: sys on July 20, 2018, 04:09:58 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 20, 2018, 04:16:47 PM
i don't believe i see much evidence to support that.They have been convinced by Trump that any move in the stock market is only sure sign of good/ bad economy
I mean he tried to claim stock market value gain shrunk up deficit.... And they ate it up
Post by: Spracne on July 20, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
i don't believe i see much evidence to support that.They have been convinced by Trump that any move in the stock market is only sure sign of good/ bad economy
I mean he tried to claim stock market value gain shrunk up deficit.... And they ate it up
I'm convinced Trump actually believes this, fwiw, so at least he's not guilty of intentional wrongdoing.
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2018, 11:30:30 PM
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Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1020267415333195776
Post by: sys on July 21, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Post by: renocat on July 21, 2018, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
did you see the one where some congressional candidate said people work two jobs and the question was about the unemployment rate? man, oh man.
She’s an idiot
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 21, 2018, 07:40:24 PM
galaxy brain
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1020267415333195776
:lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 08:03:15 AM
i don't believe i see much evidence to support that.
Try reading about it.
Post by: steve dave on July 22, 2018, 10:36:21 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 22, 2018, 11:43:27 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 12:47:02 PM
Good grief #libtards. Stick to calling people racists.
Post by: sys on July 22, 2018, 01:03:48 PM
i don't believe i see much evidence to support that.
Try reading about it.
i've read quite a bit about it.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 06:01:05 PM
Post by: sys on July 22, 2018, 06:32:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 22, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 22, 2018, 08:32:36 PM
Like even 5 approved ones.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 09:32:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
if you want to debate the issue, post a debatable statement, instead of a vague generality. otherwise, there's no point in me responding with anything more than a vague generality of my own.
I am 100% certain you don't want a debate with me bc of what would certainly happen.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-17/china-gdp-doesn-t-show-the-economy-s-strengths
Post by: sys on July 22, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
I am 100% certain you don't want a debate with me bc of what would certainly happen.
you are 100% wrong. please introduce the evidence for your assertions (re. the chinese economy and the likely duration of the trade war, i don't care for your evidence re. what you think i want).
Post by: sys on July 22, 2018, 10:27:03 PM
Even Bloomberg is writing about it
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-17/china-gdp-doesn-t-show-the-economy-s-strengths
that article does not support your assertion. it's main points are 1. this quarter's gdp does not reflect much impact from tariffs, you need to wait for future numbers to see an impact and 2. china appears to be (maybe) allowing their currency to fall to mitigate the impact of tariffs.
the first point directly refutes your statement that you are already seeing weakness in the chinese economy. the second point is ambiguous at best, but, can as easily be taken as chinese resolve to use monetary policy to withstand a long trade war as any other interpretation.
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
https://twitter.com/greg_ip/status/1021230339417571328
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/phillevy/2018/07/23/three-takes-on-trump-trade-policy/#78432da57ff1
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
I would be very interested in a list of fsd approved news sources.
I would be very interested in a Lib7 take that wasn't cast in cowardice and shmarmy vaguery
I didn't think my post was very vague :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2018, 11:30:46 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 01:44:40 PM
Even Bloomberg is writing about it
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-17/china-gdp-doesn-t-show-the-economy-s-strengths
that article does not support your assertion. it's main points are 1. this quarter's gdp does not reflect much impact from tariffs, you need to wait for future numbers to see an impact and 2. china appears to be (maybe) allowing their currency to fall to mitigate the impact of tariffs.
the first point directly refutes your statement that you are already seeing weakness in the chinese economy. the second point is ambiguous at best, but, can as easily be taken as chinese resolve to use monetary policy to withstand a long trade war as any other interpretation.
The article says China's economic activity is slowing (2nd sentence, 3rd paragraph), which is exactly what I stated. It also points to a number economic headwinds facing china before the effect of the tariffs can be quantified. All of these leads towards the logical conclusion that China's economy will continue to struggle, which gives the US leverage to negotiate freeer trade.
I can't explain you misreading of the article, and I will not engage in debate based upon false premises (eg, whatever you believe my points to be).
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
I would be very interested in a list of fsd approved news sources.I would be very interested in a Lib7 take that wasn't cast in cowardice and shmarmy vaguery
I didn't think my post was very vague :dunno:
According to yournewswire.com, libtards are confessing to the Obama-lead witch hunt at a very high rate.
Why wont you take a substantive position, but rather live on the same boring fringes? Too stupid? Too scared? Both?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 01:58:32 PM
this is pretty good.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/phillevy/2018/07/23/three-takes-on-trump-trade-policy/#78432da57ff1
The libtards insatiable appetite for stories about what the president really means, or probably means, or could mean when he says something is very bizarre.
I understand why the libtard prefers fantasy over reality, I just don't understand the need for their fantasy to be validated through fiction.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
Oh, you're talking about dax
You need post that you are running away to hide, you can just do it. Cowards have been doing that for centuries.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 23, 2018, 02:07:18 PM
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
The article says China's economic activity is slowing (2nd sentence, 3rd paragraph), which is exactly what I stated. It also points to a number economic headwinds facing china before the effect of the tariffs can be quantified. All of these leads towards the logical conclusion that China's economy will continue to struggle, which gives the US leverage to negotiate freeer trade.
I can't explain you misreading of the article, and I will not engage in debate based upon false premises (eg, whatever you believe my points to be).
this is what you said.
China's economy is slumping pretty hard. I imagine we'll prevail in these trade wars much quicker than any rational person would expect.
the article in no way supports your statement that the chinese economy is slumping pretty hard. i stand corrected regarding your second statement. upon rereading it, i see you merely state that your imagined reality deviates from the expectations of rational people, a statement with which i cannot argue.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
:rolleyes:
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 08:51:23 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 23, 2018, 09:20:50 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 10:02:02 PM
I'll just settle for bloomberg agreeing 100% with me.
the article you linked did not support your statement.
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2018, 07:06:11 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021719098265362432
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 08:30:49 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 08:49:06 AM
Why does the EU refuse to drop its higher by over a full percentage point across the board tariffs?
Related, we now know that the militaries for the 3 largest economies in the EU are as of right now, in such a woeful state of readiness. That by themselves and in the face of Vlad Putin, they’d get mushed. We spend billions protecting them while being on the crap side of a $100 Billion dollar plus trade deficit with them. Seems fair
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2018, 08:50:48 AM
In LibBot and Fake Centerists world is “free trade” a one way street?
Why does the EU refuse to drop its higher by over a full percentage point across the board tariffs?
Related, we now know that the militaries for the 3 largest economies in the EU are as of right now, in such a woeful state of readiness. That by themselves and in the face of Vlad Putin, they’d get mushed. We spend billions protecting them while being on the crap side of a $100 Billion dollar plus trade deficit with them. Seems fair
sir, this is an Arby's drive through
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 09:08:58 AM
In LibBot and Fake Centerists world is “free trade” a one way street?
Why does the EU refuse to drop its higher by over a full percentage point across the board tariffs?
Related, we now know that the militaries for the 3 largest economies in the EU are as of right now, in such a woeful state of readiness. That by themselves and in the face of Vlad Putin, they’d get mushed. We spend billions protecting them while being on the crap side of a $100 Billion dollar plus trade deficit with them. Seems fair
sir, this is an Arby's drive through
You’re trying to hard.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2018, 09:13:15 AM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 09:16:33 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 09:16:43 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2018, 09:20:59 AM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
In LibBot and Fake Centerists world is “free trade” a one way street?
Why does the EU refuse to drop its higher by over a full percentage point across the board tariffs?
Related, we now know that the militaries for the 3 largest economies in the EU are as of right now, in such a woeful state of readiness. That by themselves and in the face of Vlad Putin, they’d get mushed. We spend billions protecting them while being on the crap side of a $100 Billion dollar plus trade deficit with them. Seems fair
In libbot world "free trade" used to be a pejorative. Now it's just nevertrump. Their definition is, and always will be, a complete misnomer.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
These people have negative zero credibility on the subject.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2018, 09:47:06 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
What's amaze is the nevertrump ever evolving never substantive purely partisan position on the subject.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
I think the same could be said on the flip side. Defending tariffs is a pretty new look for anyone I know who was actually a conservative
To be fair, conservatives have recently received information that tariffs are the greatest and trade wars are easy to win.
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
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An announcement could come as soon as Tuesday, according to two people briefed on the matter. This is the latest sign that growing tensions between the United States and other countries will not end soon.
Farm groups have complained that Trump’s tariffs on foreign imports have led other countries to retaliate with tariffs on U.S. products, jeopardizing farmers’ overseas sales of soybeans and other crops.
Under the White House plan, the money will be disbursed in at least three ways, coming through direct assistance, a food purchase and distribution program, and a trade promotion program.
https://t.co/Qo9df8c1bh
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2018, 11:44:31 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 11:55:36 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 24, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
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Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 05:38:32 PM
https://twitter.com/EconguyRosie/status/1021746085688213504
never heard of this guy, but i'm 100% sure he spent 2008-2016 talking about how the weimar-style inflation was right around the corner.
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 05:47:31 PM
never heard of this guy, but i'm 100% sure he spent 2008-2016 talking about how the weimar-style inflation was right around the corner.
welp, i was wrong. he's a more interesting person than i thought he'd be.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 06:39:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 06:45:04 PM
You’re wrong 98% of the time SysBot. But pseudo-intellectuals never really get that. So BAU for you.
i'm very seldom wrong, but in this case i made a lazy assumption and it was embarrassing for me.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
You’re wrong 98% of the time SysBot. But pseudo-intellectuals never really get that. So BAU for you.
i'm very seldom wrong, but in this case i made a lazy assumption and it was embarrassing for me.
Admittedly you get Captain Obvious/everybody already knows this talking points correct nearly all of the time.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
You’re wrong 98% of the time SysBot. But pseudo-intellectuals never really get that. So BAU for you.
i'm very seldom wrong, but in this case i made a lazy assumption and it was embarrassing for me.
A lesson to us all
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
Like I pointed out many posts ago, China is in miserable economic position to engage in a trade war. Nearly ever outlet engaged in substantive economic analysis (rather than trump demagoguery) agrees. Mnuchin (genius) is surgical in his timing. China can fold or bid, it cannot beat the USA.
yeah, you still haven't supported that statement at all. you also went further and declared that china would quickly capitulate, which you also did not support.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:00:09 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 11:09:52 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 11:16:41 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:22:58 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:27:01 PM
Whether china will cave and make a deal, or elects to allow its economy to further falter is probably two roads to the same place, in all honesty.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:28:37 PM
Post by: puniraptor on July 25, 2018, 05:03:34 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2018, 06:42:46 AM
I'm just checking in to see if any shills are defending the 12 billion dollar ag bailout yet. Ok?
haha
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2018, 07:24:48 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 07:32:39 AM
The $1 Trillion plus annual trade deficit with the world is sustainable and (specifically) vital in maintaining strategic production capacity in multiple industries . . . In whackadoo land.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 07:35:21 AM
I'm just checking in to see if any shills are defending the 12 billion dollar ag bailout yet. Ok?
We drug testing these farmers?
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2018, 07:38:28 AM
I missed the post where I said trade wars are great and tariffs are awesome.
The $1 Trillion plus annual trade deficit with the world is sustainable and (specifically) vital in maintaining strategic production capacity in multiple industries . . . In whackadoo land.
trade wars are great and tariffs are awesome.
:dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 07:42:36 AM
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2018, 07:50:23 AM
I'm just checking in to see if any shills are defending the 12 billion dollar ag bailout yet. Ok?
Cross post socialism thread.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 08:24:44 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 08:29:54 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 25, 2018, 08:36:15 AM
Today is Wednesday. So is it rail on Ag subsidies day, or extoll the virtues of Ag subsidies day?Things dax loves
* Tarriffs
* Wars
* Adding to national debt via subsidies brought on by said tarriffs
* Ruining other country's economies
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 08:43:19 AM
You deny the obvious and continuously misrepresent my position. Why would I engage in a debate with an obstinate liar?
you refuse to clarify or detail your position! if you won't attempt to present your thoughts, you can hardly complain if you are misunderstood.
nonetheless, i may reengage with what i can devine from your statement later this morning. dependent on how bored i am.
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2018, 08:50:47 AM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 25, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
Until the check comes.
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2018, 08:57:30 AM
i'm with president trump on that one. i don't believe that the farmers don't want subsidies either.
it's the most important thing to them in the entire world outside of maintaining the ability to talk about how hard they work.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
Today is Wednesday. So is it rail on Ag subsidies day, or extoll the virtues of Ag subsidies day?Things dax loves
* Tarriffs
* Wars
* Adding to national debt via subsidies brought on by said tarriffs
* Ruining other country's economies
Lol, not true at all.
Come on, the New NeoCon complicity supports wars of aggression when their guy is in office and overly supports confrontation with countries if they think it’s going to hurt the guy they hate.
Let’s kill our strategic economy while ensuring our “partners” keep getting that cheap oil from the country they want us to protect them from. 50k US troops protecting Germany’s $400 Billion dollar investment in Russia aka Vlad Putin.
Let’s continue to let China kill our strategic economy while they finance (via their extremely artificial economy) a massive military buildup and strategic creep in the South China Sea and across the globe.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 25, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 25, 2018, 10:43:12 AM
Glad to see you are able to flex outside of core Republican platforms when you think it's better for our economy. I don't personally agree that tarriffing is the best course of action here then follow up with subsidies to cover up for them....but not everybody has the same approach.Today is Wednesday. So is it rail on Ag subsidies day, or extoll the virtues of Ag subsidies day?Things dax loves
* Tarriffs
* Wars
* Adding to national debt via subsidies brought on by said tarriffs
* Ruining other country's economies
Lol, not true at all.
Come on, the New NeoCon complicity supports wars of aggression when their guy is in office and overly supports confrontation with countries if they think it’s going to hurt the guy they hate.
Let’s kill our strategic economy while ensuring our “partners” keep getting that cheap oil from the country they want us to protect them from. 50k US troops protecting Germany’s $400 Billion dollar investment in Russia aka Vlad Putin.
Let’s continue to let China kill our strategic economy while they finance (via their extremely artificial economy) a massive military buildup and strategic creep in the South China Sea and across the globe.
Post by: EMAWican on July 25, 2018, 10:57:44 AM
Post by: EMAWican on July 25, 2018, 11:00:36 AM
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Perdue and other USDA officials say the aid will be available in three forms; direct payment to producers of soybeans, sorghum, wheat, cotton, dairy and hogs; government purchases of fruit, nuts, legumes, and some meats for distribution to food banks; and development of new export markets.
What's the general opinion on the government spending more funds on low-income food banks?
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
Most farmers are white land owners so ok for the government to give them money. It's only socialism when you give money to minorities.I'm just checking in to see if any shills are defending the 12 billion dollar ag bailout yet. Ok?
Cross post socialism thread.
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 11:56:10 AM
Post by: puniraptor on July 25, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 25, 2018, 03:27:07 PM
i mean farmers have suckled at the govt teat as much as more than anyone so this isn’t a big shift from the norm.
Just a big shift to socialism
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2018, 03:43:16 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 04:07:02 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2018, 04:31:13 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1022160481417609217
#MAGA
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 05:10:57 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1022223147544838149?s=19
Anyway to know what our deal was pre tariff and what our deal will be now? If we got a better deal then hats off to trump, but this is basically as empty as the Korea stuff without details.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-25/pboc-is-said-to-ease-bank-capital-rule-to-boost-loan-growth
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 07:47:12 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1022223147544838149?s=19
Anyway to know what our deal was pre tariff and what our deal will be now? If we got a better deal then hats off to trump, but this is basically as empty as the Korea stuff without details.
It's better
Prediction : you will be told that even though it appears better it's actually worse bc conjecture and speculation, and many will choose to believe the speculation instead of reality bc libtarded
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
You deny the obvious and continuously misrepresent my position. Why would I engage in a debate with an obstinate liar?
you refuse to clarify or detail your position! if you won't attempt to present your thoughts, you can hardly complain if you are misunderstood.
nonetheless, i may reengage with what i can devine from your statement later this morning. dependent on how bored i am.
My position hasn't changed since you proposed the debate, so I don't think you have any right to be upset.
You're just mad bc you were wrong.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 08:16:16 PM
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 08:16:42 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1022223147544838149?s=19
Anyway to know what our deal was pre tariff and what our deal will be now? If we got a better deal then hats off to trump, but this is basically as empty as the Korea stuff without details.
It's better
Prediction : you will be told that even though it appears better it's actually worse bc conjecture and speculation, and many will choose to believe the speculation instead of reality bc libtarded
Believe me it’s better, hugely better. Just enormous.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
AND stoked an NGL deal that hurts Russia
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 09:06:21 PM
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The United States had $686 billion in total (two ways) goods trade with the European Union during 2016, its largest Goods trade partner. Goods exports totaled $270 billion; Goods imports totaled $416 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with the EU was $147 billion in 2016.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 25, 2018, 09:28:10 PM
Don't believe what you see...what you hear....just know it's better....stick with us.https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1022223147544838149?s=19
Anyway to know what our deal was pre tariff and what our deal will be now? If we got a better deal then hats off to trump, but this is basically as empty as the Korea stuff without details.
It's better
Prediction : you will be told that even though it appears better it's actually worse bc conjecture and speculation, and many will choose to believe the speculation instead of reality bc libtarded
Believe me it’s better, hugely better. Just enormous.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 10:04:45 PM
It’s sad to think the total whackadoo’s like SysGurgler want a world where American guns protect those living off the fatted calf, and who pump nearly a half a Trillion dollars into the economy (and then some) of the country we protect them from.
All the while rolling out a military utterly devoid of the ability to protect their nation while the pride of ours stand ready to protect their fat bloated asses.
Sad
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 10:12:29 PM
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2018, 10:44:09 PM
SysGurgler
:eek:
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2018, 07:15:22 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 08:56:28 AM
https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Post by: wetwillie on July 26, 2018, 09:10:14 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/International/man-detonates-small-explosive-us-embassy-beijing/story?id=56830944
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 10:11:23 AM
https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
Post by: wetwillie on July 26, 2018, 10:12:15 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
What is the right trade deficit number you want?https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2018, 03:55:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1022571744224272393
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
What is the right trade deficit number you want?https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
It's not about a targeted $ number, it's about an even playing field. How about, no Tariffs at all?
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 04:13:49 PM
Have you seen the average tarriff % we pay vs other countries? Prob not...doesn't fit narratives.What is the right trade deficit number you want?https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
It's not about a targeted $ number, it's about an even playing field. How about, no Tariffs at all?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 04:54:28 PM
Have you seen the average tarriff % we pay vs other countries? Prob not...doesn't fit narratives.What is the right trade deficit number you want?https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
It's not about a targeted $ number, it's about an even playing field. How about, no Tariffs at all?
In regards to the EU the issue couldn't be any more clear. In the year of our Flying Spaghetti Monster 2018 is positively absurd to be sitting on the short side of a $100 billion dollar trade deficit (I absolutely get the weight of currency valuations etc. etc.) with the EU While 3 of the Top 7 economies in the world (in the EU and NATO) cannot roll out a military capable of defending their own country, while we spend hundreds of billions of to protect them. I can assure you none of the wonks shoving paper around on their desks factor in that cost when saying trade deficits are not bad things. It's also :lol: that some of these whackadoo's keep playing down the national security element of being beholden to foreign nations in multiple categories of trade.
You think I keep going back to the past. Read some of the articles about those who are constantly extolling the absolute mandate of military alliances are good, but who never take into the account the accelerating mission creep of NATO and what those implications can be.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2018, 05:03:41 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 26, 2018, 05:06:22 PM
Post by: wetwillie on July 26, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 05:13:54 PM
This is the first time I've heard of trade deficits having something to do with defense spending.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect G7 countries who won't spend enough to field a decent military all the while they are part of a consortium that enjoys a $100 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States. In the case of one, they just floated Vlad Putin a multi Trillion dollar bone (over the long haul), while showing up at NATO drills with broomsticks for guns, and vans posing as armored troop carriers.
Not really that hard.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
This is the first time I've heard of trade deficits having something to do with defense spending.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect G7 countries who won't spend enough to field a decent military all the while they are part of a consortium that enjoys a $100 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States. In the case of one, they just floated Vlad Putin a multi Trillion dollar bone (over the long haul), while showing up at NATO drills with broomsticks for guns, and vans posing as armored troop carriers.
Not really that hard.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
I'll take that as a noHave you seen the average tarriff % we pay vs other countries? Prob not...doesn't fit narratives.What is the right trade deficit number you want?https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable-1.508249Do you dorks have any idea what America would be like to have a trade surplus?
“Not deployable for collective defense”, but keep tasting that $100 Billion dollar trade deficit ass America and keep your guys/gals razor sharp while we enjoy another Schnitzel finger and cabbage.
Someone is calling for a trade surplus?
It's not about a targeted $ number, it's about an even playing field. How about, no Tariffs at all?
In regards to the EU the issue couldn't be any more clear. In the year of our Flying Spaghetti Monster 2018 is positively absurd to be sitting on the short side of a $100 billion dollar trade deficit (I absolutely get the weight of currency valuations etc. etc.) with the EU While 3 of the Top 7 economies in the world (in the EU and NATO) cannot roll out a military capable of defending their own country, while we spend hundreds of billions of to protect them. I can assure you none of the wonks shoving paper around on their desks factor in that cost when saying trade deficits are not bad things. It's alsothat some of these whackadoo's keep playing down the national security element of being beholden to foreign nations in multiple categories of trade.
You think I keep going back to the past. Read some of the articles about those who are constantly extolling the absolute mandate of military alliances are good, but who never take into the account the accelerating mission creep of NATO and what those implications can be.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2018, 05:17:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 05:24:13 PM
Dax wants everyone to have a super huge military so we can make sure to finish Earth properly next WWThis is the first time I've heard of trade deficits having something to do with defense spending.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect G7 countries who won't spend enough to field a decent military all the while they are part of a consortium that enjoys a $100 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States. In the case of one, they just floated Vlad Putin a multi Trillion dollar bone (over the long haul), while showing up at NATO drills with broomsticks for guns, and vans posing as armored troop carriers.
Not really that hard.
Phil prefers guns over butter for his ‘Merica.
The New NeoCon: We need the United States to be world police
The long gone Lib: We can’t be the world police
Post by: Phil Titola on July 26, 2018, 05:31:05 PM
Dax wants everyone to have a super huge military so we can make sure to finish Earth properly next WWThis is the first time I've heard of trade deficits having something to do with defense spending.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect G7 countries who won't spend enough to field a decent military all the while they are part of a consortium that enjoys a $100 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States. In the case of one, they just floated Vlad Putin a multi Trillion dollar bone (over the long haul), while showing up at NATO drills with broomsticks for guns, and vans posing as armored troop carriers.
Not really that hard.
Phil prefers guns over butter for his ‘Merica.
The New NeoCon: We need the United States to be world police
The long gone Lib: We can’t be the world police
This would work better for you if I wanted more military spending...
But kudos spinning this away from trade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Dax wants everyone to have a super huge military so we can make sure to finish Earth properly next WWThis is the first time I've heard of trade deficits having something to do with defense spending.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect G7 countries who won't spend enough to field a decent military all the while they are part of a consortium that enjoys a $100 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States. In the case of one, they just floated Vlad Putin a multi Trillion dollar bone (over the long haul), while showing up at NATO drills with broomsticks for guns, and vans posing as armored troop carriers.
Not really that hard.
Phil prefers guns over butter for his ‘Merica.
The New NeoCon: We need the United States to be world police
The long gone Lib: We can’t be the world police
This would work better for you if I wanted more military spending...
But kudos spinning this away from trade
Because the two things go hand-in-hand, the EU by % is more protectionist than the United State across the board, and when you factor in the trade they do with the country they want our protection from, the numbers go far askew. The freaking pipeline doesn't even dump off anything in the former Eastern Bloc countries it passes through. So not only did our "partner" Germany pump a few Trillion into Vlad's pockets, the pee'd all over several of their other newer NATO "partners". In the Phil Titola's of the world's mind . . . great deal!
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2018, 07:00:05 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 28, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1023183553788608512?s=19
Wasn’t Chinese WTO entry bolstered by Bill “Lippo Group” Clinton?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 28, 2018, 11:47:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 28, 2018, 12:29:13 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 28, 2018, 12:30:44 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 28, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 28, 2018, 02:19:46 PM
Not me, make the government as big and involved in trade as possible.It's crash how Trump is leading these lemmings right into the Democrats platforms and they cant wait to get there.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 28, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 28, 2018, 09:00:16 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 09:42:02 AM
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For Juncker, the deal met his principal objective—satisfying the demand of his principal paymaster, German chancellor Angela Merkel, that he persuade the American leader who has bullied and insulted her not to fire his biggest gun, aimed directly at her economy—the imposition of stiff tariffs (perhaps of 25 percent) on Germany’s auto sector, which employs over 800,000 workers, and earned €423bn last year, a substantial portion from the sale of 494,000 cars exported to America and brought in virtually duty-free. Those tariffs will not be imposed if the ongoing negotiations prove successful in converting the truce into a permanent peace.
For Trump, the victory was greater than even he imagined it might be. He has been arguing that tariffs are merely a tactic in the trade war, his way of persuading the trading partners who have been taking unfair advantage of America to come to the bargaining table. Which the E.U. has done, proving that Trump is not a mad protectionist, but, at least for now, a champion of freer, fairer trade that will benefit American workers, farmers, and businesses. In return for agreeing to attempt to resolve all steel and aluminum tariff issues, and related retaliations, here’s what Trump got:
The parties will work towards zero tariffs and removal of all trade barriers for non-auto industrial goods, the fate of autos to be decided at a later date.
The E.U. will “almost immediately” increase its purchases of soybeans. Soybean farmers have been hit hard by China’s decision to aim its retaliation for U.S. tariffs squarely at them, in a so-far failed effort to shake their support for Trump in key states with close senate races (North Dakota, Indiana, Missouri). Trump countered by resuscitating a Depression-era statute that allows him to dole out $12 billion to strapped farmers, no congressional approval needed, and now has further proof to offer farmers that he “has their backs.”
The E.U. will import “massive” amounts of American LNG, a bonanza for U.S. natural gas producers that at the same time diversifies Europe’s energy supplies, diluting the power over Europe’s energy supplies that Nordstream 2, the planned pipeline from Russia to Germany, will put at Putin’s disposal—a “horrible” project Trump told a miffed Merkel.
The U.S. and the E.U. will work together to reform the World Trade Organization, which Trump has been accused of planning to wreck.
Most important, the E.U. and the U.S. will combine their forces—some 50 percent of global GDP—to end the theft of intellectual property, forced technology transfers, industrial subsidies to state-owned enterprises, and the use of excess capacity to drive global prices below cost.
The combination of U.S. and E.U. economic firepower is perhaps the most important feature of the agreement. While China’s President, Xi Jinping, his debt-laden economy slowing, is shopping the world for allies in the Asian theater of the trade war, Trump has enlisted Europe in his battle to end the trade practices that China has used and is using to achieve dominance in the industries of the future.
Unfortunately for Trump’s critics, try as they might, they cannot interpret this as anything other than a victory for his belligerent tactics. It is said around Washington that if the president walked across the Potomac River his critics would say the feat proves that Trump can’t swim.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 29, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
We were Texas football with every advantage but lackluster results and now these guys are turning us into
the crimson tide.
Post by: wetwillie on July 29, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 29, 2018, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: sys on July 29, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 06:29:15 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 30, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 30, 2018, 10:06:29 AM
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1023898412113190913
Should give some tax money to people who need bulldozers.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 08:20:14 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 09, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-politics-analysis/handling-of-u-s-trade-dispute-causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-sources-idUSKBN1KU0TU?il=0So great to hear Reuters is a good source now and that Republicans are reaching across the isle to pick up liberal platforms. Who knew a reality star could get you guys to change your mind on tariffs.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-politics-analysis/handling-of-u-s-trade-dispute-causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-sources-idUSKBN1KU0TU?il=0So great to hear Reuters is a good source now and that Republicans are reaching across the isle to pick up liberal platforms. Who knew a reality star could get you guys to change your mind on tariffs.
There are many good sources when they stick to reporting news. I've never said otherwise.
There are good reporters (that's news reporters) at many media entities.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 09, 2018, 08:55:38 PM
Tom
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Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 09, 2018, 09:42:41 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-politics-analysis/handling-of-u-s-trade-dispute-causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-sources-idUSKBN1KU0TU?il=0
Obviously Trump is kicking China's ass in this one. Props to the Chinese holding out a few weeks longer than Europe
Post by: Phil Titola on August 09, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Print up the t-shirts... In the bag.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-politics-analysis/handling-of-u-s-trade-dispute-causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-sources-idUSKBN1KU0TU?il=0
Obviously Trump is kicking China's ass in this one. Props to the Chinese holding out a few weeks longer than Europe
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2018, 10:29:09 PM
Print up the t-shirts... In the bag.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-politics-analysis/handling-of-u-s-trade-dispute-causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-sources-idUSKBN1KU0TU?il=0
Obviously Trump is kicking China's ass in this one. Props to the Chinese holding out a few weeks longer than Europe
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 09, 2018, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: sys on August 14, 2018, 09:17:52 PM
Post by: sys on August 14, 2018, 09:21:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 14, 2018, 10:02:24 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/world/asia/china-trade-war-trump-xi-jinping-.html
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2018, 10:11:35 PM
This doesn't bode well for sysgender :cry:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/world/asia/china-trade-war-trump-xi-jinping-.html
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Uninformed, uneducated, citizen. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Post by: 8manpick on August 15, 2018, 01:20:17 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 15, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
This doesn't bode well for sysgender :cry:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/world/asia/china-trade-war-trump-xi-jinping-.html
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Uninformed, uneducated, citizen. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Homonym much?!?
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
Don't recall many resident LibBots being very concerned about that, but now the SysBot and friends are concerned that the U.S. is being excluded from trade agreements.
LibBots: All for U.S. hegemony if it makes Trump look bad (in their mind)
Post by: wetwillie on August 15, 2018, 07:03:06 PM
Post by: sys on August 15, 2018, 07:51:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2018, 08:17:18 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
"Go China" (Resident LibBots)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 17, 2018, 10:36:02 AM
:thumbsup:
Post by: wetwillie on August 17, 2018, 12:13:46 PM
If the tariffs aren't enough federal government intervention, let's file a "major lawsuit" against the manufacturers of a FDA regulated product.
:thumbsup:
Wrong approach to a noble cause IMO
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 17, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
If the tariffs aren't enough federal government intervention, let's file a "major lawsuit" against the manufacturers of a FDA regulated product.
:thumbsup:
Wrong approach to a noble cause IMO
So, you are saying the federal government pursuing civil litigation against the manufacturer of a legal and regulated product is not small government?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
Post by: renocat on August 17, 2018, 12:43:11 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/14/nafta-negotiations-u-s-and-mexico-appear-close-striking-deal/985345002/ "Go Mexico!" (Resident LibBots)I like Trump's approach.
Like a wolf who separatea a sickly critter from the herd so he can attack it separately. Harder to fight things like big trade pacts, WTO, etc.
One on one negotiations. That's the trick.
Post by: wetwillie on August 17, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
If the tariffs aren't enough federal government intervention, let's file a "major lawsuit" against the manufacturers of a FDA regulated product.
:thumbsup:
Wrong approach to a noble cause IMO
So, you are saying the federal government pursuing civil litigation against the manufacturer of a legal and regulated product is not small government?
That’s exactly what I’m saying
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 17, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Post by: sys on August 26, 2018, 09:13:56 PM
https://www.globalchamber.org/blog/2018/08/25/global-chamber/us-mexico-handshake-delayed-on-nafta-an-update/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
I'll say, 9.2/10
Not quite an 11 worthy event, like most LibBot meltdowns, but still pushing it pretty hard.
Post by: ChiComCat on August 27, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 27, 2018, 09:38:15 AM
I can't wait to see how much wall money is in there
Yes. This could be the break we are looking for
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/us-stocks-to-open-higher-after-powell-signals-further-rate-hikes.html
Post by: star seed 7 on August 27, 2018, 12:29:09 PM
Thread
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 27, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/betoorourke/status/1034119670176075776
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 27, 2018, 12:48:31 PM
:ROFL:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 27, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
As always, the libsplaining as to why this is bad for the u.s. will be great.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2018, 03:09:46 PM
Trumpers so eager to declare victory before anything is done is the best.
Post by: sys on August 27, 2018, 03:12:41 PM
Lol what was signed exactly?
Trumpers so eager to declare victory before anything is done is the best.
nothing. but it's also not accurate to suggest nothing has been accomplished. real progress on keeping a version of nafta that doesn't seem too much worse than what we have now.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Lol what was signed exactly?
Trumpers so eager to declare victory before anything is done is the best.
nothing. but it's also not accurate to suggest nothing has been accomplished. real progress on keeping a version of nafta that doesn't seem too much worse than what we have now.
Agreed. Positive signs.... Delivery of results after the initial "announcement" seems to be the shortfall of his presidency at this point.
Post by: sys on August 27, 2018, 03:34:06 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 27, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Lol what was signed exactly?
Trumpers so eager to declare victory before anything is done is the best.
Mission accomplished!
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
actually, now seeing mexico saying they'll accept a bilateral deal. not sure on how that would work with congress, but that would not be good.
I saw they were interested in Canada being involved.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2018, 04:15:11 PM
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2018, 04:20:00 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 27, 2018, 04:38:34 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
Post by: sys on August 27, 2018, 04:56:28 PM
actually, now seeing mexico saying they'll accept a bilateral deal. not sure on how that would work with congress, but that would not be good.
I saw they were interested in Canada being involved.
yes, but up until today they were saying there was no possibility of a bilateral deal. now at least some people (there is a significant amount of confusion) are saying that it would merely be preferable to include canada.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 27, 2018, 05:15:34 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
Excited to see him bring it over the finish line....pretty much done though it sounds like.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 27, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 27, 2018, 07:20:09 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 27, 2018, 07:21:40 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 27, 2018, 09:48:37 PM
Not surprised that the libtards are concerned, given their ordinary "news" sources are scrambling to belittle the deal, while simultaneously being unaware of its terms yet willing to speculate on their meaning.
Oh? Do share.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 08:58:33 AM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2018, 09:00:32 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 28, 2018, 09:05:05 AM
If a trade deal with Mexico is completed. On a scale of 1-10 how :curse: will resident LibBot's be?
I'll say, 9.2/10
Not quite an 11 worthy event, like most LibBot meltdowns, but still pushing it pretty hard.
It looks like we're going through the denial stage. Anger is sure to follow, but will they ever graduate to acceptance???? History says, NO!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
Yeah DickStone you lefty leftist proglib liberal democrat!
Amaze
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 11:32:47 AM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Confused again. take a nap
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Confused again. take a nap
Nah, I think you're confused (as usual).
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2018, 11:43:11 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 11:44:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Confused again. take a nap
Nah, I think you're confused (as usual).
Sorry I support small government and free trade. I don't know what to tell you
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:17:17 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Confused again. take a nap
Nah, I think you're confused (as usual).
Sorry I support small government and free trade. I don't know what to tell you
One it fits the agenda, you're all about that, Dug.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 12:30:53 PM
Gotta be disappointing for the LibBots to see this kind of progress.
Looking forward to you guys regurgitating the DNC talking (down) points of these developments.
Which part of this detailed finalized deal should we be most fist pumping about Dax? I'm excited.
We'll see, Phil.
Sounds like Chuckie Schumer is aboard, but he really wants the lumber dumpers on there as well.
yes, it sucks when lumber is super cheap
Sounds very economic Neo-Conservative, Dug. Has the DNC made you turn in your Lib card, yet?
Confused again. take a nap
Nah, I think you're confused (as usual).
Sorry I support small government and free trade. I don't know what to tell you
One it fits the agenda, you're all about that, Dug.
that does not make any sense. everything ok?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
Relex, Dug.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 28, 2018, 12:36:45 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:38:17 PM
I have proven I have no cognition
We know, we're pulling for you.
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2018, 12:49:39 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 01:15:22 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 28, 2018, 01:51:43 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 02:19:20 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: bucket on August 28, 2018, 02:25:00 PM
Yes! :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 02:50:51 PM
Post by: sys on August 28, 2018, 02:55:44 PM
https://twitter.com/mckonomy/status/1034471222040555525
they were all over the map yesterday. a little odd. good to see some message discipline today.
Post by: sys on August 28, 2018, 03:03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Alex_Panetta/status/1034522679666204673
Post by: ChiComCat on August 28, 2018, 03:08:40 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2018, 03:22:27 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 28, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
Post by: sys on August 28, 2018, 03:52:37 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-28/trump-s-mexico-trade-deal-looks-like-a-lemon
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-28/trump-s-nafta-deal-isn-t-worth-the-price?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-28/u-s-mexico-trade-agreement-better-to-rebrand-nafta-than-end-it
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-27/trump-s-mexico-deal-reveals-another-deficit?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-view&utm_content=view&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 28, 2018, 05:15:47 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 05:56:29 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Just a few weeks ago.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 28, 2018, 05:58:00 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Just a few weeks ago.
Wow that’s an efficient architect.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Just a few weeks ago.
Wow that’s an efficient architect.
It was awarded last winter.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Just a few weeks ago.
Wow that’s an efficient architect.
It was awarded last winter.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 28, 2018, 08:31:40 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 28, 2018, 10:40:43 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
When did the planning happen? When did they break ground?
Just a few weeks ago.
Wow that’s an efficient architect.
It was awarded last winter.
Tbt man, :facepalm:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 29, 2018, 09:15:40 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 29, 2018, 09:24:31 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 29, 2018, 09:31:09 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
How can I be a soybean farmer to get gov handouts?
Copyright or patent them
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 29, 2018, 01:18:15 PM
Post by: sys on August 30, 2018, 03:10:58 AM
https://twitter.com/loyaladvisor/status/1034937984641118208
Post by: sys on August 30, 2018, 03:14:30 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexico-cites-insurance-against-u-s-national-security-tariffs-1535560749
Post by: sys on August 30, 2018, 03:18:34 AM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1034892793662119936
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2018, 06:47:54 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 30, 2018, 10:17:30 AM
The opinions he sources universally turn on some stupid global analysis and gloss over the benefits to the underlying country and its people, and market efficiencies. It's called Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Keynesian application
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 30, 2018, 03:43:59 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 30, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
Post by: sys on September 01, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
i googled this, and as far as i can tell, it does not exist. forensic reconstruction of dax's claim leads me to believe he is probably referencing a joint toyota-mazda plant being built in huntsville alabama.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2018, 04:30:06 PM
First article mentions Nissan/Mazda and Nissan/Mazda is building a joint plant on U.S. soil right now.
i googled this, and as far as i can tell, it does not exist. forensic reconstruction of dax's claim leads me to believe he is probably referencing a joint toyota-mazda plant being built in huntsville alabama.
It's Toyota/Mazda
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/companies/toyota-mazda-alabama/index.html
As a side note, I also googled nissan/mazda plant and still got the toyota/mazda joint plant. Google, it's pretty good if you know how to use it.
Post by: bucket on September 02, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Google, it's pretty good if you know how to use it.
Unless you're looking for positive news stories on Republicans! :shakesfist:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2018, 06:30:48 PM
Google, it's pretty good if you know how to use it.
Unless you're looking for positive news stories on Republicans! :shakesfist:
I don't really care about that, but I appreciate the fact that Libs think those things are not manipulated. A whole industry exists around trying to work the Google search system.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 02, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Google, it's pretty good if you know how to use it.
Unless you're looking for positive news stories on Republicans! :shakesfist:
I don't really care about that, but I appreciate the fact that Libs think those things are not manipulated. A whole industry exists around trying to work the Google search system.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh Dax
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
Google, it's pretty good if you know how to use it.
Unless you're looking for positive news stories on Republicans! :shakesfist:
I don't really care about that, but I appreciate the fact that Libs think those things are not manipulated. A whole industry exists around trying to work the Google search system.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh Dax
SMDH, such a simpleton. Never fails.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 02, 2018, 06:51:19 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 02, 2018, 06:53:45 PM
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/33/E4512
I agree Dax, meddling and influencing elections is bad. :cheers:
Post by: Spracne on September 05, 2018, 04:33:25 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 05, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 06, 2018, 09:13:01 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 06, 2018, 11:58:26 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 06, 2018, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 07, 2018, 09:04:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 07, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 07, 2018, 10:13:16 PM
Post by: bucket on September 17, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2018, 11:27:27 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2018, 12:24:53 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 19, 2018, 12:41:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2018, 12:47:23 PM
this is gonna be great for the Vietnamese economy
Sticking it to McCain even after he’s dead
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2018, 01:01:42 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
Hooray for higher taxes, though.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 19, 2018, 02:04:20 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
Hooray for higher taxes, though.
Higher taxes?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 19, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
Hooray for higher taxes, though.
Higher taxes?
What do you suppose a tariff is?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
Hooray for higher taxes, though.
Higher taxes?
What do you suppose a tariff is?
Oh, you mean higher prices.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 19, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
:rolleyes:
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
I love that Trumpers think he is a master negotiator when all he does is be a dick to every country.... upset the apple cart and put it all back together and call it an apple wagon.
Hooray for higher taxes, though.
Higher taxes?
What do you suppose a tariff is?
Oh, you mean higher prices.
Good bbs’n here
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2018, 08:29:36 PM
Post by: mocat on September 19, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 19, 2018, 10:33:14 PM
you mean higher prices
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 21, 2018, 02:54:16 PM
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 02:49:44 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 30, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1046497784248115202?s=19
Post by: sys on September 30, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
Post by: sys on September 30, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 01, 2018, 07:38:29 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 01, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
Post by: catastrophe on October 01, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 01, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 01, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
so there are still metal tariffs? wtf
welfare
Post by: sys on October 01, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1046629088759287808
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 01, 2018, 04:18:49 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 01, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
Quote
The Trump administration's new trade deal with Canada and Mexico leaves much of the old North American Free Trade Agreement intact.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/01/new-trump-trade-deal-leaves-nafta-largely-intact.html
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 01, 2018, 08:14:49 PM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/01/make_north_america_great_again_138215.html
Post by: Phil Titola on October 01, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
This guy likes it, and thinks it will pressure china
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/01/make_north_america_great_again_138215.html
:cheers:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2018, 03:53:15 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
China’s new bank loans rebounded in September after dipping in the two previous months, central bank data showed, but overall credit conditions stayed tight in an economy chilled by an ongoing tariff war with the US.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2018, 03:45:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Whatcha payin more for right now rage?
Anything made in China. So basically everything.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2018, 03:59:02 PM
Glad to know that my having to pay more for everything is really sticking it to the Chinese right now.
Chinese housing bubble, tightening credit, automobile sector all struggling right now.
U.S. wages going up, worries about inflation, 7.1 million open jobs, steel workers getting a 14% pay raise . . . just in time for LibBot Nation to co-opt all of it, per usual. Forgetting the "new normal" forecasts during their guy's administration.
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2018, 04:05:08 PM
Whatcha payin more for right now rage?
Anything made in China. So basically everything.
Don’t you go FSD on me now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2018, 04:09:00 PM
:dunno:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2018, 04:14:39 PM
Whatcha payin more for right now rage?
Anything made in China. So basically everything.
Don’t you go FSD on me now
Here's a list.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-china-trade-war-list-of-goods-tariffs-2018-9
I honestly don't regularly buy any product that isn't on it.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
Prices on great TV's are plummeting.
:dunno:
Those will go up when we start our trade war with South Korea.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2018, 04:19:53 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 17, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on October 17, 2018, 08:26:17 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 17, 2018, 10:07:04 PM
Whatcha payin more for right now rage?
Construction costs of streetcar expansion and airport are going up :(
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Whatcha payin more for right now rage?
Construction costs of streetcar expansion and airport are going up :(
Rage’s small town western Kansas ass definitely won’t be paying for dat
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 07, 2018, 03:11:10 PM
China’s ambitions to develop more of its own oil and gas reserves is a race against a ticking clock. The middle kingdom has already bypassed the U.S. to become the world’s top oil importer, with much of those oil imports having geopolitical strings attached. China is the largest importer of Iranian oil, and that resource is being jeopardized by fresh U.S. sanctions against Iran’s oil sector that went onto effect on November 5.
China's oil fields are maturing and it’s unlikely that significant discoveries can be found to replace depletion reserves. Around five or six years ago, Beijing pegged its hope on emulating the US shale oil and gas success story, even cutting deals with American firms to help develop China's shell formations. However, unlike most US shale formations, China's are in difficult reach, rugged terrain, indicating that shale oil and gas will not offer the solution that Beijing energy planners needs, at least in the foreseeable future.
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2018, 09:07:09 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 08, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
Post by: 8manpick on November 08, 2018, 02:38:42 PM
Farmers should just put piles of beans next to cover and thickets and then allow me to go bird hunting
:Carl: :excited:
Post by: CHONGS on November 08, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 16, 2018, 09:35:45 AM
https://twitter.com/joe_atikian/status/1063425873968316416
Post by: steve dave on November 16, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
hope you idiot farmers didn't plant any soybeans this year
MORE BEANS FOR US!
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1063449677771755520
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
low is good?
https://twitter.com/joe_atikian/status/1063425873968316416
That's a shame, always enjoyed the times when foreign entities bought high profile real estate at top dollar then sold it years later at huge losses.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 10:05:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2018, 10:14:17 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 10:23:18 AM
Post by: Cire on November 16, 2018, 12:28:00 PM
hope you idiot farmers didn't plant any soybeans this year
The Federal government will save them with billions and billions of ag welfare bailouts SD.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
hope you idiot farmers didn't plant any soybeans this year
The Federal government will save them with billions and billions of ag welfare bailouts SD.
uh, that is socialism. I highly doubt the government will take taxpayer money and give it to those less fortunate
Post by: star seed 7 on November 16, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
Post by: Cire on November 16, 2018, 12:41:59 PM
hope you idiot farmers didn't plant any soybeans this year
The Federal government will save them with billions and billions of ag welfare bailouts SD.
uh, that is socialism. I highly doubt the government will take taxpayer money and give it to those less fortunate
Those money grubbing farmers will be demanding Gov handouts in return for raising worthless crops that they know damn well are worthless but do it anyway because Uncle Sam gives them the handouts faster than you can say To Own The Libs.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 16, 2018, 03:32:51 PM
Y’all are going to look pretty foolish when your city slickin grocery stores run out of food because you ran off all the farmers.
said every farmer for the past 200 years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 27, 2018, 08:28:43 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Y’all are going to look pretty foolish when your city slickin grocery stores run out of food because you ran off all the farmers.
I mean we literally have too many farmers right now don’t we? Isn’t that why the government is paying people not to grow crops?
Post by: KST8FAN on November 28, 2018, 09:19:56 PM
Farmers should just put piles of beans next to cover and thickets and then allow me to go bird hunting"Harvesting in a trade war: U.S. crops rot as storage costs soar" -
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-grains/harvesting-in-a-trade-war-u-s-crops-rot-as-storage-costs-soar-idUSKCN1NQ0GA
Tom
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 29, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2018, 09:35:02 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1069069452891836416
Post by: KST8FAN on December 01, 2018, 11:00:45 PM
Tom
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 02, 2018, 07:51:34 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 02, 2018, 04:00:19 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
China stealing US IP as a problem DJT created is a abnormally libtarded hot take.
“And China will stop stealing US IP now”
- a first rate dullard
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 03, 2018, 08:33:51 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 04, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1069975587631087617
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on December 04, 2018, 10:02:51 AM
China largely imposed tarriffs on comodities that could be easily sourced from other markets which were not being subjected to Tarriff.
Post by: steve dave on December 04, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/1069986758778068997
Post by: Cire on December 04, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
admittedly not an economist but...
China largely imposed tarriffs on comodities that could be easily sourced from other markets which were not being subjected to Tarriff.
Admittedly no ocean seaport logistics guy, but...
instantaneously sourcing $200B+ worth of goods from another market seems implausible.
Post by: steve dave on December 06, 2018, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 06, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/05/canada-reportedly-arrests-huawei-cfo-facing-us-extradition-for-violating-iran-sanctions.html
Violating Iran sanctions :surprised:
Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2018, 10:00:36 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 06, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
everything is going very well
To SD point
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/06/international-trade-surges-to-highest-in-a-decade-as-imports-rise.html
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2018, 09:23:54 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2018, 09:44:11 AM
China also dropped their tariffs on us cars by 267%
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2018, 09:49:17 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 15, 2018, 02:38:46 PM
Doesn't know what tariff means
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 15, 2018, 03:10:05 PM
thanks rubes
Post by: IPA4Me on December 16, 2018, 07:03:36 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/investing/stock-market-today-dow-jones/index.htmlGood timing for my retirement plan. Correction now and in ten years works perfectly for a retirement party in fifteen years.
thanks rubes
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1074774781420015618?s=21
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Post by: 8manpick on December 21, 2018, 11:00:49 AM
guys i just checked my 401k for the first time in a while :sdeek:But I thought Trump was great for the economy? Why is my 401k in the red this year?
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Post by: sys on December 21, 2018, 12:37:11 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind it staying down for awhile, personally.
three or four years would be fine.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 21, 2018, 01:53:28 PM
He lied
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Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 10:56:31 AM
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1079032172332437504
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Post by: mocat on December 30, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
lmao
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1079032172332437504
the trump presidency in one tweet
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 30, 2018, 11:49:18 AM
Fire up the subsidies train. I'm gonna need some cash if he closes the border.
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I hope you have a good lobbyist.
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 30, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 03, 2019, 09:49:20 AM
https://twitter.com/toluseo/status/1080850543055118336?s=21
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2019, 11:52:24 AM
Post by: Katpappy on January 03, 2019, 07:39:32 PM
This is why FSD left
You Pubs need to get along; FSD has feelings too. :shakesfist:
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 02:45:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1081879010613907459
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Post by: DaBigTrain on January 06, 2019, 05:07:42 PM
He just didn't want a wall enough to pay for it, apparently.
Well, he was told he wouldn’t be paying for it.
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1082327411516162050
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2019, 04:44:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
i love these so much.
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1081879010613907459
Rube. :frown:
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Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 07:27:13 AM
How did you react to that, SD?
just nod. that's my response anytime anyone in the family tries to talk politics.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 08, 2019, 07:38:53 AM
Wise man.How did you react to that, SD?
just nod. that's my response anytime anyone in the family tries to talk politics.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 08:14:53 AM
Last time I thought I heard someone ask someone what they got out of their beans price wise but nothing really came of that question.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2019, 08:25:52 AM
Also my mom said a neighbor is mad at her cause my mom said something bad about trump at a cocktail party or something and the neighbor is a huge trumper and got all butthurt and now won't attend any of the neighborhood events. My mom was absolutely shocked to have a trump supporter in her neighborhood, IN CALIFORNIA EVEN.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 10:43:42 AM
Whatever guys, next year the farm bill will include a couple billion in rural white welfare checks so those govt teet sucking farmers can keep on growing beans.
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LOL only if it is drafted by socialist AOC
Post by: treysolid on January 08, 2019, 11:10:10 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
my mom is a big soy senorita (and corn..uh...lady). I haven't asked her specifically but she also hasn't brought up it either. i'd image the farmer that we sharecrop with is freaking out tho. my mom was also super smart and sold like 60% of her soybeans as futures before the price was decimated tho.
Pretty smart to pass the buck to the rubes
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 11:31:49 AM
Looks like they just agreed today to buy nearly a million more tons of soybeans :dunno:
Post by: Institutional Control on January 08, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
Weird, China agreed to buy 2 million metric tons of U.S. soybeans back in December. :dunno:
Looks like they just agreed today to buy nearly a million more tons of soybeans :dunno:
That's a lot less than the 32 tons they bought from the US in 2017.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 08, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
Weird, China agreed to buy 2 million metric tons of U.S. soybeans back in December. :dunno:
Looks like they just agreed today to buy nearly a million more tons of soybeans :dunno:
so glad to hear everythings back to normal...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
Weird, China agreed to buy 2 million metric tons of U.S. soybeans back in December. :dunno:
Looks like they just agreed today to buy nearly a million more tons of soybeans :dunno:
so glad to hear everythings back to normal...
But I thought the soybean market was D E A D?
So that's 3 million tons in about 3 weeks. Pro-Tip, 3 weeks is less than 1 year.
Looks like this board really missed me, damn fellas. SMDH
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 01:53:11 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2019, 01:54:59 PM
my mom is a big soy senorita (and corn..uh...lady).
irl lol'd at this. Well done.
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Post by: KST8FAN on January 08, 2019, 09:21:08 PM
Tom
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Tom (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/0163c81b94e60a8c459a014c975adacd.jpg)
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Post by: Cire on January 08, 2019, 10:10:52 PM
China is buying it
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 10, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
In other news, I can't imagine why the Chinese leadership has become so (distracting-ly) bellicose vis-a-vis geo-strategic military issues.
Almost . . . wag the dogish?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/21/china-2018-gdp-china-reports-economic-growth-for-fourth-quarter-year.html
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 08:28:12 AM
raise your hand if you think that china's economy tanking is good for the US economy.
But China was going to do all the winning, remember? Apparently not.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2019, 08:29:02 AM
raise your hand if you think that china's economy tanking is good for the US economy.
But China was going to do all the winning, remember? Apparently not.
We are losing. Whatever China does is irrelevant.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
The goal is now to lose by less than China. That is a new fun goal.
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Who said anything about losing less? I sure didn't, but resident LibDerp Nation (and you) painted this whole picture that the U.S. didn't stand a chance.
But keep that post hole digger handy, Steve.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2019, 09:44:22 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
If the goal is to expand the US economy and get China to buy more US goods, we don't seem to be doing very well, dax.
Is this where I need to remind resident LibDerps about their standard "these things take time" go to?
Post by: sys on January 23, 2019, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 10:05:40 AM
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Trump started this trade war because HE said that China was winning and we were losing. Those are some balls you've got to attempt to lie and reinvent that narrative.
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 10:32:36 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on January 23, 2019, 10:38:03 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Trump started this trade war because HE said that China was winning and we were losing. Those are some balls you've got to attempt to lie and reinvent that narrative.
Are you really THAT surprised?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 10:50:16 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Trump started this trade war because HE said that China was winning and we were losing. Those are some balls you've got to attempt to lie and reinvent that narrative.
That was said by LibDerp Nation at the start of the so called trade war, that is the context of my post. LibDerp Nation said that China is just going to keep on winning and essentially implied that China would not feel any real sting from a trade war with the United States.
That's a lazy take . . . as usual.
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Trump started this trade war because HE said that China was winning and we were losing. Those are some balls you've got to attempt to lie and reinvent that narrative.
That was said by LibDerp Nation at the start of the so called trade war, that is the context of my post. LibDerp Nation said that China is just going to keep on winning and essentially implied that China would not feel any real sting from a trade war with the United States.
That's a lazy take . . . as usual.
Please dig up some posts for this. I think most people realized (as sys pointed out very recently) that both sides lose in a trade war.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 11:05:07 AM
I’m pretty sure China’s lowest rate of growth in 20+ years is going to occur a lot in the next 20+ years. I’m no economist though.
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Which runs completely counter to the historical LibDerp/Fake Centrist sentiment that China was "winning". This of course is another reason why the Chinese saber rattling and geo-strategic rhetoric has ratcheted up as Xi and the Chinese leadership seek to build their internal Bogeyman case to deflect from the performance of their economy.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Trump started this trade war because HE said that China was winning and we were losing. Those are some balls you've got to attempt to lie and reinvent that narrative.
That was said by LibDerp Nation at the start of the so called trade war, that is the context of my post. LibDerp Nation said that China is just going to keep on winning and essentially implied that China would not feel any real sting from a trade war with the United States.
That's a lazy take . . . as usual.
Please dig up some posts for this. I think most people realized (as sys pointed out very recently) that both sides lose in a trade war.
If I just say LibDerp Nation, that means the collective, I use "resident" as the qualifier.
But :lol: at you trying to pretend you don't get the general tone of this blog, I mean just straight up :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
is the "general tone" of this blog to insinuate a bunch of crap but also be really vague so that you can always point to something else when people call you out on your bullshit? because if so, then yeah, i definitely understand the general tone of the blog.
Speaking of bullshit, I just read anything you type and see bullshit.
Now, if you really need to tell yourself that LibDerp Nation wasn't doubling down and siding with China in this situation then you're absolutely clueless . . . if you can't and couldn't grasp the general belief that China would be relatively unaffected by a "trade war" with the United State as that belief permeated LibDerp Nation, then again, you're clueless.
In reality we've seen a nearly 3 decade low in Chinese GDP growth (as measured in their terms), and a rapid acceleration in Chinese corporate debt defaults etc. etc. etc.
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Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 12:24:39 PM
is the "general tone" of this blog to insinuate a bunch of crap but also be really vague so that you can always point to something else when people call you out on your bullshit? because if so, then yeah, i definitely understand the general tone of the blog.
Speaking of bullshit, I just read anything you type and see bullshit.
Now, if you really need to tell yourself that LibDerp Nation wasn't doubling down and siding with China in this situation then you're absolutely clueless . . . if you can't and couldn't grasp the general belief that China would be relatively unaffected by a "trade war" with the United State as that belief permeated LibDerp Nation, then again, you're clueless.
In reality we've seen a nearly 3 decade low in Chinese GDP growth (as measured in their terms), and a rapid acceleration in Chinese corporate debt defaults etc. etc. etc.
where are the articles dax? where are are these neolibs rallying around china as the trade war "winner"? You create strawmen in your head 24/7/365.
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 12:35:07 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 23, 2019, 12:50:35 PM
is the "general tone" of this blog to insinuate a bunch of crap but also be really vague so that you can always point to something else when people call you out on your bullshit? because if so, then yeah, i definitely understand the general tone of the blog.
Speaking of bullshit, I just read anything you type and see bullshit.
Now, if you really need to tell yourself that LibDerp Nation wasn't doubling down and siding with China in this situation then you're absolutely clueless . . . if you can't and couldn't grasp the general belief that China would be relatively unaffected by a "trade war" with the United State as that belief permeated LibDerp Nation, then again, you're clueless.
In reality we've seen a nearly 3 decade low in Chinese GDP growth (as measured in their terms), and a rapid acceleration in Chinese corporate debt defaults etc. etc. etc.
Dax is undefeated in arguments when creating a narrative that he ascribes to his neulous enemies
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
is the "general tone" of this blog to insinuate a bunch of crap but also be really vague so that you can always point to something else when people call you out on your bullshit? because if so, then yeah, i definitely understand the general tone of the blog.
Speaking of bullshit, I just read anything you type and see bullshit.
Now, if you really need to tell yourself that LibDerp Nation wasn't doubling down and siding with China in this situation then you're absolutely clueless . . . if you can't and couldn't grasp the general belief that China would be relatively unaffected by a "trade war" with the United State as that belief permeated LibDerp Nation, then again, you're clueless.
In reality we've seen a nearly 3 decade low in Chinese GDP growth (as measured in their terms), and a rapid acceleration in Chinese corporate debt defaults etc. etc. etc.
where are the articles dax? where are are these neolibs rallying around china as the trade war "winner"? You create strawmen in your head 24/7/365.
I didn't say that "neo-libs" were writing articles rallying around China, I quite clearly discussed the general sentiment. Again, if you want to believe that the general sentiment in this process from the American Left has been to support the Trump administration and (they) not hope that China gave the Don the ol' what for. That's fine, that's not reality, but that's fine.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2019, 01:44:32 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 23, 2019, 01:55:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
Again, if you don't think LibDerp Nation wasn't and isn't prepared to fist pump until they dislocate their shoulders if it appears that Trump is "losing" in this case, then that's certainly your right (and why you always lying?) . . . but that completely counter to the political climate of today. I can already see the meme's and gifs.
One of the definitions of sentiment is: Attitude
Not that hard fellas, but you guys continue to rack your lil brains to try and refute what I'm saying..
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Trump IS losing. We're all losing. That's the consequence of the trade war. I'm not happy about it, but I'm also not going to refrain from laughing at Trump for thinking that the trade war wasn't going to hurt us.
I always enjoy playing "things that were never said" with treysolid.
You can laugh all you want trey . . . but it's sad to think that you're just another lib who wanted business as usual with a country that steals our trade secrets, bolsters a regime that wantonly fires missiles over our allies head and has said they're going to nuke us and our allies, that makes illegal claims in violation of international law to territorial waters, and openly says that another sovereign nation state is still part of China, on top of being the world's larges polluter with no real intention of proactively reducing green house gases unless it fits their own very specific industrial needs etc. etc. etc.
Post by: treysolid on January 23, 2019, 06:33:38 PM
Trump IS losing. We're all losing. That's the consequence of the trade war. I'm not happy about it, but I'm also not going to refrain from laughing at Trump for thinking that the trade war wasn't going to hurt us.
I always enjoy playing "things that were never said" with treysolid.
You can laugh all you want trey . . . but it's sad to think that you're just another lib who wanted business as usual with a country that steals our trade secrets, bolsters a regime that wantonly fires missiles over our allies head and has said they're going to nuke us and our allies, that makes illegal claims in violation of international law to territorial waters, and openly says that another sovereign nation state is still part of China, on top of being the world's larges polluter with no real intention of proactively reducing green house gases unless it fits their own very specific industrial needs etc. etc. etc.
trump said trade wars were "good and easy to win"...sooooo...he did say it...
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 23, 2019, 07:05:52 PM
i think you're just mad because i said that you are science-illiterate. it's ok, not everyone is good at science.
He’s more economic illiterate to be fair
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 12:12:26 PM
https://twitter.com/marthagimbel/status/1088427010504966144
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
Trump IS losing. We're all losing. That's the consequence of the trade war. I'm not happy about it, but I'm also not going to refrain from laughing at Trump for thinking that the trade war wasn't going to hurt us.
I always enjoy playing "things that were never said" with treysolid.
You can laugh all you want trey . . . but it's sad to think that you're just another lib who wanted business as usual with a country that steals our trade secrets, bolsters a regime that wantonly fires missiles over our allies head and has said they're going to nuke us and our allies, that makes illegal claims in violation of international law to territorial waters, and openly says that another sovereign nation state is still part of China, on top of being the world's larges polluter with no real intention of proactively reducing green house gases unless it fits their own very specific industrial needs etc. etc. etc.
trump said trade wars were "good and easy to win"...sooooo...he did say it...
Things that were never said by me, I’ll note that your whole world centers around what Trump says on a go forward basis.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 12:31:33 PM
super focused on free trade.
https://twitter.com/marthagimbel/status/1088427010504966144
Most of them can start concentrating on their side gigs they work on, on the governments time (and resources).
Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2019, 12:54:48 PM
super focused on free trade.
Most of them can start concentrating on their side gigs they work on, on the governments time (and resources).
I really enjoy the idea that you think most people working at TSA, Department of Homeland Security, the IRS, and the Census Bureau have "side gigs that they work on, on the governments [sic] time (and resources)."
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 12:57:41 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
super focused on free trade.
Most of them can start concentrating on their side gigs they work on, on the governments time (and resources).
I really enjoy the idea that you think most people working at TSA, Department of Homeland Security, the IRS, and the Census Bureau have "side gigs that they work on, on the governments [sic] time (and resources)."
I’ll turn on sarcasm font just for you next time. But I also know a lot about rank and file Federal employees.
Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
TIA.super focused on free trade.
Most of them can start concentrating on their side gigs they work on, on the governments time (and resources).
I really enjoy the idea that you think most people working at TSA, Department of Homeland Security, the IRS, and the Census Bureau have "side gigs that they work on, on the governments [sic] time (and resources)."
I’ll turn on sarcasm font just for you next time. But I also know a lot about rank and file Federal employees.
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 08:34:43 PM
super focused on free trade.
this is the tweet that was supposed to go with my comment.
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1087819757427064832
Post by: chum1 on January 29, 2019, 08:07:27 AM
https://twitter.com/palafo/status/1090248230795964419
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2019, 08:13:58 AM
This almost falls into the"Trump voter suffers the consequences of Trump" category.
https://twitter.com/palafo/status/1090248230795964419
Great headline until you read the bullet points . . . but great headline.
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 11:39:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 02:11:42 PM
Post by: treysolid on January 30, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 02:19:10 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2019, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 04, 2019, 09:00:38 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 04, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
https://twitter.com/RameshPonnuru/status/1092435039009292288
dax :frown:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
https://twitter.com/RameshPonnuru/status/1092435039009292288
dax :frown:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-steel-credits-trump-in-resuming-work-at-alabama-plant-2019-02-11
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 15, 2019, 03:03:31 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2019, 08:39:42 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2019, 06:48:30 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2019, 08:25:41 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1098945510868545537
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2019, 09:22:56 AM
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Post by: Institutional Control on February 22, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2019, 09:26:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 09:28:19 AM
Welfare is fine for Midwestern farmers. It is NOT fine for urban brown people.
LOL, that mantra is as tired of as most of your posts.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 09:30:16 AM
Prior . . . couldn't give a crap.
Post by: chum1 on February 22, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
Wired: Bill and Hillary
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Tired: welfare and race
Wired: Bill and Hillary
lmao
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2019, 09:41:09 AM
that’s socialism
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America will NEVER be a socialist country sd
Post by: star seed 7 on February 22, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 22, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Incredible focus on government spending by LibDerp Nation starting in 2016 . . . :lol:
Prior . . . couldn't give a crap.
Your focus worked dax. We are now on the same side. Great job by you!
Why don't you care about spending any longer is a better lingering question.
Post by: Institutional Control on February 22, 2019, 09:55:32 AM
Also I don't really have much of a problem with this, no reason for farmers to go broke just because they voted for an idiot that destroyed their livelihood.
No negative consequences.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
Incredible focus on government spending by LibDerp Nation starting in 2016 . . . :lol:
Prior . . . couldn't give a crap.
Your focus worked dax. We are now on the same side. Great job by you!
Why don't you care about spending any longer is a better lingering question.
Actually I do care.
But let's look at the narrative. It's quite clear that LibDerp Nation would much prefer an administration which doesn't do jack crap while the Chinese run all over us (see your guys administration for example). In the efforts to change the geo-strategic/economic mindset of a burgeoning super power that has built it's economic might (and also on meteoric rise to becoming the worlds biggest polluter, if they're not there already) on the back of intellectual property theft from the United States etc. etc. etc. Some pain points are going to have to be undertaken.
Apparently you haven't heard of the China 2025 initiative nor the belt and road initiative, in essence Xi and friends are hell belt on achieving those objectives by any means possible. China is also a direct threat (more than ever) to our Pacific Rim allies, and now they're doing things like buying up all the strategically important ports in Australia. To the point that one political party in Australia is essentially saying that China is positioning itself to control these ports so they can, at some point in the future, if need be, land significant military assets in Australia. Australia is hard place for the United States Military to get to.
That doesn't even get into China's growing hyper aggressiveness in protecting what they deem as their Intellectual Property under the auspices of an extremely liberal interpretation of what they consider their IP.
Etc. etc. etc.
Post by: Cire on February 22, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
Rural farmers go ahead and keep growing worthless crops and we'll pay you for it.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
Incredible focus on government spending by LibDerp Nation starting in 2016 . . . :lol:
Prior . . . couldn't give a crap.
Your focus worked dax. We are now on the same side. Great job by you!
Why don't you care about spending any longer is a better lingering question.
Actually I do care.
But let's look at the narrative. It's quite clear that LibDerp Nation would much prefer an administration which doesn't do jack crap while the Chinese run all over us (see your guys administration for example). In the efforts to change the geo-strategic/economic mindset of a burgeoning super power that has built it's economic might (and also on meteoric rise to becoming the worlds biggest polluter, if they're not there already) on the back of intellectual property theft from the United States etc. etc. etc. Some pain points are going to have to be undertaken.
Apparently you haven't heard of the China 2025 initiative nor the belt and road initiative, in essence Xi and friends are hell belt on achieving those objectives by any means possible. China is also a direct threat (more than ever) to our Pacific Rim allies, and now they're doing things like buying up all the strategically important ports in Australia. To the point that one political party in Australia is essentially saying that China is positioning itself to control these ports so they can, at some point in the future, if need be, land significant military assets in Australia. Australia is hard place for the United States Military to get to.
That doesn't even get into China's growing hyper aggressiveness in protecting what they deem as their Intellectual Property under the auspices of an extremely liberal interpretation of what they consider their IP.
Etc. etc. etc.
You are going to vote for Bernie now. so weird
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 01:41:31 PM
Incredible focus on government spending by LibDerp Nation starting in 2016 . . . :lol:
Prior . . . couldn't give a crap.
Your focus worked dax. We are now on the same side. Great job by you!
Why don't you care about spending any longer is a better lingering question.
Actually I do care.
But let's look at the narrative. It's quite clear that LibDerp Nation would much prefer an administration which doesn't do jack crap while the Chinese run all over us (see your guys administration for example). In the efforts to change the geo-strategic/economic mindset of a burgeoning super power that has built it's economic might (and also on meteoric rise to becoming the worlds biggest polluter, if they're not there already) on the back of intellectual property theft from the United States etc. etc. etc. Some pain points are going to have to be undertaken.
Apparently you haven't heard of the China 2025 initiative nor the belt and road initiative, in essence Xi and friends are hell belt on achieving those objectives by any means possible. China is also a direct threat (more than ever) to our Pacific Rim allies, and now they're doing things like buying up all the strategically important ports in Australia. To the point that one political party in Australia is essentially saying that China is positioning itself to control these ports so they can, at some point in the future, if need be, land significant military assets in Australia. Australia is hard place for the United States Military to get to.
That doesn't even get into China's growing hyper aggressiveness in protecting what they deem as their Intellectual Property under the auspices of an extremely liberal interpretation of what they consider their IP.
Etc. etc. etc.
You are going to vote for Bernie now. so weird
You don't even rough ridin' try anymore.
Sad
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
I am on record for being against big government and socialism. Will dax join me?
There's nothing big government about protecting the products and IP that your country produces.
I'm on record as being for not getting bent over by foreign IP thieves. LibDerp Nation woke up finally and didn't want to get bent over anymore by Vlad Putin ala the era of the Great Bendover 2012-16. Apparently they do prefer the Chinese bendover and seem kind of pissed that Trump isn't letting China go in dry anymore.
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2019, 03:26:47 PM
Tired: welfare and race
Wired: Bill and Hillary
oh my heavens sakes
Post by: mocat on February 22, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Also I don't really have much of a problem with this, no reason for farmers to go broke just because they voted for an idiot that destroyed their livelihood.
of course not, me neither #1usa
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2019, 04:16:32 PM
I am on record for being against big government and socialism. Will dax join me?
There's nothing big government about protecting the products and IP that your country produces.
I'm on record as being for not getting bent over by foreign IP thieves. LibDerp Nation woke up finally and didn't want to get bent over anymore by Vlad Putin ala the era of the Great Bendover 2012-16. Apparently they do prefer the Chinese bendover and seem kind of pissed that Trump isn't letting China go in dry anymore.
So, yes or no to the federal government taking from me and giving my tax dollars to people who didn't earn them? Just want to get this position in the official record.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 22, 2019, 06:50:19 PM
I am on record for being against big government and socialism. Will dax join me?
There's nothing big government about protecting the products and IP that your country produces.
I'm on record as being for not getting bent over by foreign IP thieves. LibDerp Nation woke up finally and didn't want to get bent over anymore by Vlad Putin ala the era of the Great Bendover 2012-16. Apparently they do prefer the Chinese bendover and seem kind of pissed that Trump isn't letting China go in dry anymore.
So, yes or no to the federal government taking from me and giving my tax dollars to people who didn't earn them? Just want to get this position in the official record.
You’re gonna start being pissed off at that at $7.7 billion to farmers? That’s a weird path even for you.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 23, 2019, 09:52:49 AM
Religion, trade, defecit ... all negotiable
Post by: star seed 7 on February 23, 2019, 10:54:49 PM
People actually think this rough ridin' idiot knows what he's doing
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 11:02:16 PM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/yaWa61AyT3g[/youtube]
People actually think this rough ridin' idiot knows what he's doing
Trump and @WackyCat08 are the exact same person. I’m 100% convinced. It’s a legit miracle they have existed in society.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 11:04:59 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 11:05:12 PM
How hammered are you?
I’m not, and even if I was why would that have any relevance to this discussion?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 11:07:34 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 11:10:22 PM
What discussion? You being a butthurt bitch?
Name calling is a sign of defeat, which you have no idea how to handle.
What I’m saying is you are stupid. In its purest form. Nothing more.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 23, 2019, 11:12:06 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 11:16:33 PM
Lol. You just called me Trump, asshat. I really wish I had your IQ. Seems I’m really missing out on life. Good job, wife, House, etc. The horror! How I manage to wipe my own ass everyday is beyond me. Have a good night, ChiefWhat discussion? You being a butthurt bitch?
Name calling is a sign of defeat, which you have no idea how to handle.
What I’m saying is you are stupid. In its purest form. Nothing more.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 11:17:20 PM
Guys, the cats rolled bigtime today! Dax and I were discussing our mutual disdain for socialism.It was awesome, bud! Cats! :cheers:
Post by: sys on February 24, 2019, 01:01:43 AM
People actually think this rough ridin' idiot knows what he's doing
jfc, somehow i've now been made to feel sorry for robert lighthizer.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 03:31:28 AM
Magas will sell out even the most fundamental core conservative values for DJT. It’s the most fascinating part of his Presidency (to me at least)
Religion, trade, defecit ... all negotiable
Religion? LOL
Deficit? Who has said that's a good thing . . . but remember when you guys constantly said "it's just numbers"?
Trade? Again, just confirm your world view that it was perfectly fine for China to bend the U.S. over, and steal our IP, claim it as their own and then go into their courts and protect what they stole.
It's pretty sad that LibDerp Nation and clearly SysWhackADoo were struck with Stockholm Syndrome to the point that they completely identified with getting bent over to the point that they just rather continue to get bent over rather then try and fight it. There's a term for that beyond Stockholm Syndrome, but this is a family forum.
So desperate to save the horrific legacy of their guy.
SMDH, sad.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 24, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Should we start a Dept of the growing gov who determines how the wealth is redistributed?
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2019, 09:26:18 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 24, 2019, 09:33:54 AM
Jfc that dude is an idiot.
It’s unreal
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
But not as dumb as doing something like signing an absolutely worthless nuclear weapons MOU with a Middle Eastern country that had an expiration date. (and purposely doing it that way because you knew congress would have never signed off on the same thing if presented to them to ratify in treaty form. All the while still allowing said Middle Eastern country the capability and with fresh funds dropped off on the tarmac to perfect nuclear weapons delivery systems. While also doing virtually nothing to stop same Middle Eastern country from propagating their asymmetric warfare capabilities across the Middle East and for that matter, the globe.
Also at the same time doing absolutely rough ridin' nothing to engage said Middle Eastern countries primary consultant/supplier of WMD delivery/development capabilities).
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 24, 2019, 10:11:12 AM
No. Obama :curse:
Thanks for the concise answer Dax.
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2019, 10:16:23 AM
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 10:23:14 AM
It is pretty laughable that LibDerp Nation would want to once again sign on to something that at the end of the day could be ignored by one/both/all sides with potentially zero legally enforceable ramifications. Thus leaving all sides to once again chart their own course of potentially punitive measures against the other with no formalized framework only adding to the climate of animosity and thus making future meeting of the minds even more difficult.
On the flip side where Trump is dumb is that MOU’s allow for unilateral executive branch action . . . as we already know.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2019, 10:47:09 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
I’m not getting the outrage. Everything I’ve read says the MOU’s are the pretext to binding agreements. The trade guy implies that these MOU’s are binding, if so why not call them what they are straight out? MOU’s are often times not legally binding.
This is just looking for crap to complain about IMO. Who in the hell would ever sign anything with the Chinese that wasn’t binding? Hell a binding agreement will likely be rendered worthless by those guys anyway. But at least that gives a pretext for formally announcing a withdrawal from the agreement.
The Paris Climate accord (for example) is another essentially meaningless MOU, that the Chinese signed and then promptly completely ignored. Meaningless.
What’s up with this new LibDerp love affair with signing ultimately meaningless documents? I guess the ceremonial feel good part that makes you believe you actually accomplished something.
How positively Chamberlainish.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2019, 11:26:57 AM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 11:29:09 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
I’m not getting the outrage. Everything I’ve read says the MOU’s are the pretext to binding agreements. The trade guy implies that these MOU’s are binding, if so why not call them what they are straight out? MOU’s are often times not legally binding.
This is just looking for crap to complain about IMO. Who in the hell would ever sign anything with the Chinese that wasn’t binding? Hell a binding agreement will likely be rendered worthless by those guys anyway. But at least that gives a pretext for formally announcing a withdrawal from the agreement.
The Paris Climate accord (for example) is another essentially meaningless MOU, that the Chinese signed and then promptly completely ignored. Meaningless.
What’s up with this new LibDerp love affair with signing ultimately meaningless documents? I guess the ceremonial feel good part that makes you believe you actually accomplished something.
How positively Chamberlainish.
Your defense of all things trump knows no bounds. Appreciate the hustle.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
I’m not getting the outrage. Everything I’ve read says the MOU’s are the pretext to binding agreements. The trade guy implies that these MOU’s are binding, if so why not call them what they are straight out? MOU’s are often times not legally binding.
This is just looking for crap to complain about IMO. Who in the hell would ever sign anything with the Chinese that wasn’t binding? Hell a binding agreement will likely be rendered worthless by those guys anyway. But at least that gives a pretext for formally announcing a withdrawal from the agreement.
The Paris Climate accord (for example) is another essentially meaningless MOU, that the Chinese signed and then promptly completely ignored. Meaningless.
What’s up with this new LibDerp love affair with signing ultimately meaningless documents? I guess the ceremonial feel good part that makes you believe you actually accomplished something.
How positively Chamberlainish.
Your defense of all things trump knows no bounds. Appreciate the hustle.
You’re usual inability to explain why this is even an issue is both unparalleled and expected.
But I get it, you guys prefer meaningless pieces of paper.
As I said: Chamberlainish
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2019, 12:48:39 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 12:49:32 PM
Lib, stop acting all high and mighty when you took the time to write in a random board member. JFC.
He didn’t go Jill Stein? What a pussy!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Why practice what you preach when you can lol at everyone else who had the stones to make a decision for their country?
Just so very very sad.
I tell ya, SMDH
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
WackyCat08, feel free to answer as well, you seem eager to talk about the subject
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 02:41:42 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 02:42:00 PM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
I’m not getting the outrage. Everything I’ve read says the MOU’s are the pretext to binding agreements. The trade guy implies that these MOU’s are binding, if so why not call them what they are straight out? MOU’s are often times not legally binding.
This is just looking for crap to complain about IMO. Who in the hell would ever sign anything with the Chinese that wasn’t binding? Hell a binding agreement will likely be rendered worthless by those guys anyway. But at least that gives a pretext for formally announcing a withdrawal from the agreement.
The Paris Climate accord (for example) is another essentially meaningless MOU, that the Chinese signed and then promptly completely ignored. Meaningless.
What’s up with this new LibDerp love affair with signing ultimately meaningless documents? I guess the ceremonial feel good part that makes you believe you actually accomplished something.
How positively Chamberlainish.
Your defense of all things trump knows no bounds. Appreciate the hustle.
You’re usual inability to explain why this is even an issue is both unparalleled and expected.
But I get it, you guys prefer meaningless pieces of paper.
As I said: Chamberlainish
The president being a moron isn't an issue at all. It's basic fact and this is another example.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 24, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
We’re just lol’ing at your zero stones. My life has not been effected since 2016. Sorry for the rest of you.
this always strikes me as the weirdest talking point people have about politics.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 24, 2019, 02:56:04 PM
We’re just lol’ing at your zero stones. My life has not been effected since 2016. Sorry for the rest of you.
this always strikes me as the weirdest talking point people have about politics.
I mean I actually agree that 2019 politics in the US is very alienating and that most people realize that they have little impact or influence on changing anything, but it is an odd point to use as some sort of defense for things going well.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 03:03:50 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 24, 2019, 03:09:27 PM
I’m not saying things “are going well”. I’m saying literally almost nothing has changed other than ppl being more enraged than normal. Acting like the media hasn’t fully tilted a certain direction is laughable too. I can’t even watch a SNL opening monologue without sighing. I mean, we all get it.
I don't usually measure political change by SNL cold opens (or ever watch SNL at all). But if the media/SNL are enraging to you, why do you feel compelled to watch it?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Post by: bucket on February 24, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
I’m just going about my normal programming. It’s impossible to not run into some political slant these days. It’s just more aggressive than what I’m use to. When it’s running into ESPN programming I know how crazy it’s gotten.
Trump shares no blame in that?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2019, 03:30:46 PM
Mainly cause they lost an election they thought they had.
This is way off. No one would be losing their crap over a major Jeb upset had his polling been worse than Trump's was. It's all about Trump being an evil moron.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 03:32:28 PM
He does, but ppl are way more emotional than usual. Mainly cause they lost an election they thought they had. Also, since everyone is so polarized by trump, GOP has done a good job of showing the lefts warts like AOC, Bernie, etc. It’s driven ppl so crazy to go to block ppl on twitter that don’t share their trendy takes. @TBT
I honestly don't think people are up in arms about Trump because they lost the election two years ago. It's his bastardization of the POTUS position. Even Republicans who voted for him would agree with that if they were being honest and not just trying to own the libs.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 03:47:12 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
So is that a yes or no on feeling duped and regretting your vote for trump?
I’m not getting the outrage. Everything I’ve read says the MOU’s are the pretext to binding agreements. The trade guy implies that these MOU’s are binding, if so why not call them what they are straight out? MOU’s are often times not legally binding.
This is just looking for crap to complain about IMO. Who in the hell would ever sign anything with the Chinese that wasn’t binding? Hell a binding agreement will likely be rendered worthless by those guys anyway. But at least that gives a pretext for formally announcing a withdrawal from the agreement.
The Paris Climate accord (for example) is another essentially meaningless MOU, that the Chinese signed and then promptly completely ignored. Meaningless.
What’s up with this new LibDerp love affair with signing ultimately meaningless documents? I guess the ceremonial feel good part that makes you believe you actually accomplished something.
How positively Chamberlainish.
Your defense of all things trump knows no bounds. Appreciate the hustle.
You’re usual inability to explain why this is even an issue is both unparalleled and expected.
But I get it, you guys prefer meaningless pieces of paper.
As I said: Chamberlainish
The president being a moron isn't an issue at all. It's basic fact and this is another example.
LOL, so dumb. To date most of the MOU's the U.S. has signed aren't really worth the paper they're written on.
If an MOU is binding, then in this case, call it what it is, a trade agreement. I believe all trade agreements have to be ratified by one if not both houses of Congress, correct? An MOU doesn't require any consultation or vote in Congress at all, from what I've seen.
Now, which would you rather have. An executive branch running around signing unilateral MOU's (which may have no real binding measures and are just political theater in many instances) or an administration negotiating deals that have to be ratified by Congress?
BTW, the Canada-Mexico-US trade agreement has not been ratified, vote likely in March.
But again, you guys continue your demands for Chamberlainish methods that ultimately mean nothing.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 03:55:00 PM
You are literally arguing with yourself on this one dax.
You're quite literally tripling down on the "Trump is dumb" mantra.
Don't even bother anymore if that's the best you can do, terrible.
When you can actually provide a viable reason as to why an MOU is the way to go, then try again.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 24, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
You are literally arguing with yourself on this one dax.
You're quite literally tripling down on the "Trump is dumb" mantra.
Don't even bother anymore if that's the best you can do, terrible.
When you can actually provide a viable reason as to why an MOU is the way to go, then try again.
Nobody cares. You are so blinded to defend this guy on something so mindless like him arguing with his own staff on "MOU vs. contract vs. trade agreement" you can't see the humor in that video.
Wait, at first you agreed he looked dumb in the clip.
Pretty dumb.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
You are literally arguing with yourself on this one dax.
You're quite literally tripling down on the "Trump is dumb" mantra.
Don't even bother anymore if that's the best you can do, terrible.
When you can actually provide a viable reason as to why an MOU is the way to go, then try again.
Nobody cares. You are so blinded to defend this guy on something so mindless like him arguing with his own staff on "MOU vs. contract vs. trade agreement" you can't see the humor in that video.
Wait, at first you agreed he looked dumb in the clip.Pretty dumb.
:lol: you obviously care dummy, otherwise you wouldn't have said anything.
But in the end, as I expected, nothing of substance at all out of you on this. Nothing new here.
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 24, 2019, 11:13:17 PM
You are literally arguing with yourself on this one dax.
The cognitive dissonance is...well...sad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 08:15:17 AM
You are literally arguing with yourself on this one dax.
The cognitive dissonance is...well...sad.
:lol: at the people who cannot provide one cognizant answer as to why what Trump wants is wrong or incorrect.
The Big Tuck and LibDerp Nation: All blind rage-All the time
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
Mods please change dax's name to stanofdontrump
Next time wash that towel before you throw it.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 09:03:21 AM
In other news, oil price tanks after Trump says oil prices are too high.
#power
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 09:16:51 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
yay socialism
Trade exchanges are driven by socialism?
Weird takes as usual, Dug.
FYI, the Chinese indexes . . . are, you know, Chinese.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
They will end up like those no good college graduates
Post by: Phil Titola on February 25, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on February 25, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 11:03:07 AM
Oh no, I was referring to creating a dependent class of farmers who are relying on my tax dollars which are taken by the federal government and given to them. Ultimately I understand that the government is in place to redistribute private wealth. I am more concerned that these farmers are not going to learn the value of good old fashioned hard work when they are being provided income with no output.
They will end up like those no good college graduates
Well this is certainly a new thing. Never heard a peep about this until now. When Farmers have been getting paid subsidies on everything for decades.
I wonder what brought on this new great concern about farm subsidies. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 11:05:57 AM
Oh no, I was referring to creating a dependent class of farmers who are relying on my tax dollars which are taken by the federal government and given to them. Ultimately I understand that the government is in place to redistribute private wealth. I am more concerned that these farmers are not going to learn the value of good old fashioned hard work when they are being provided income with no output.
They will end up like those no good college graduates
Well this is certainly a new thing. Never heard a peep about this until now. When Farmers have been getting paid subsidies on everything for decades.
I wonder what brought on this new great concern about farm subsidies. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have always been anti-socialism dax. You'd have to be pretty stupid to now know that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 11:10:05 AM
Oh no, I was referring to creating a dependent class of farmers who are relying on my tax dollars which are taken by the federal government and given to them. Ultimately I understand that the government is in place to redistribute private wealth. I am more concerned that these farmers are not going to learn the value of good old fashioned hard work when they are being provided income with no output.
They will end up like those no good college graduates
Well this is certainly a new thing. Never heard a peep about this until now. When Farmers have been getting paid subsidies on everything for decades.
I wonder what brought on this new great concern about farm subsidies. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have always been anti-socialism dax. You'd have to be pretty stupid to now know that.
Oh yeah, you've really started to hammer that home starting last week. Great work. :thumbsup:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 11:25:49 AM
You should join me, Bernie
Nope, your "campaign" is only a week old and looks like it's pretty much driven by rage.
So, no thanks.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2019, 11:32:02 AM
That's cool, only hardcore enraged Anti-Trump people allowed
I already knew that.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 25, 2019, 11:45:57 AM
Post by: treysolid on March 02, 2019, 05:17:53 PM
Turns around and openly bashes our Fed chair for not manipulating the dollar
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2019, 08:32:51 AM
Turns around and openly bashes our Fed chair for not manipulating the dollar
he really shows his entire ass every time he tries to talk about the economy or technology.
Post by: gatoveintisiet on March 03, 2019, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2019, 08:03:58 AM
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Post by: LickNeckey on March 06, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
:curse:
i just want to win...
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2019, 11:56:34 AM
Post by: sys on March 08, 2019, 03:04:40 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 08, 2019, 06:30:39 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 08, 2019, 07:32:09 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 08, 2019, 07:44:30 AM
Rubes.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2019, 10:41:13 AM
Imagine believing China will stop IP theft.
Rubes.
Imagine never even trying to do anything about it
Post by: star seed 7 on March 08, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 08, 2019, 11:04:33 AM
Imagine believing China will stop IP theft.
Rubes.
Imagine never even trying to do anything about it
You are making things up again daxnold.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
Imagine believing China will stop IP theft.
Rubes.
Imagine never even trying to do anything about it
You are making things up again daxnold.
The original attempt to do something about in the TPP was so deeply flawed it's just :lol: . It might as well have been written by the Fortune 100.
1. Would have absolutely killed innovation by any entity that didn't have 6 floors worth of lawyers
2. Pretty much all but destroyed any shred of personal privacy that remains in this world
3. It would have restricted our Congress from enhancing or amending relevant IP laws as it pertains to the U.S. and U.S. entities operating in International markets
4. Digital Locks? Forget it, gone
5. Allowed any entity to unilaterally declare (even after the fact) that digital information was protected. See ya in prison whistle blower (right up Barry's alley)
6. Copyright penalties for usage of material with no commercial intent or use would have been made much harsher
7. Completely re-written already well thought out pertinent laws in many signatory countries
8. Your smart phone; made readily accessible to law enforcement
No wonder they did it all in secret . . . again BAU for the Obama administration.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 08, 2019, 11:18:16 AM
It is a pretty important issue.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2019, 11:22:38 AM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 08, 2019, 11:27:28 AM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Please expand upon this and how it relates to what you quoted.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2019, 11:51:24 AM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Please expand upon this and how it relates to what you quoted.
Restrictions on open source IT equipment for example. If the state (China) has those restrictions in their hip pocket then your home router is essentially designed by the state. See any problems there?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 08, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Please expand upon this and how it relates to what you quoted.
Restrictions on open source IT equipment for example. If the state (China) has those restrictions in their hip pocket then your home router is essentially designed by the state. See any problems there?
I get the problem you are trying to explain as far as China creating hardeare with backdoors . I don't follow who is restricting whom to produce open source router firmware. Maybe a link would help explain better.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 08, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Please expand upon this and how it relates to what you quoted.
Restrictions on open source IT equipment for example. If the state (China) has those restrictions in their hip pocket then your home router is essentially designed by the state. See any problems there?
I get the problem you are trying to explain as far as China creating hardeare with backdoors . I don't follow who is restricting whom to produce open source router firmware. Maybe a link would help explain better.
TPP prohibited member countries from instituting laws that mandated code review or mandated the release of source code.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 08, 2019, 03:51:29 PM
I just think if the great bendobama was able to get China to agree to IP protection then President deals should be able to as well.
It is a pretty important issue.
Or essentially accelerated China's highly censored Internet and essentially allowed them to create mandatory closed source items like home routers that government could easily access with no hope of re-writing any software to change their accessibility.
Please expand upon this and how it relates to what you quoted.
Restrictions on open source IT equipment for example. If the state (China) has those restrictions in their hip pocket then your home router is essentially designed by the state. See any problems there?
I get the problem you are trying to explain as far as China creating hardeare with backdoors . I don't follow who is restricting whom to produce open source router firmware. Maybe a link would help explain better.
TPP prohibited member countries from instituting laws that mandated code review or mandated the release of source code.
Agreed that would be a bad provision.
Post by: sys on March 27, 2019, 11:17:12 AM
Post by: bucket on March 27, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Brad_Setser/status/1110932247505440769
That's wall money! :bang:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 27, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Brad_Setser/status/1110932247505440769
That's wall money! :bang:
We can't pay Mexico's tariffs to build the wall without importing a lot of Mexican goods.
Post by: bucket on March 27, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Brad_Setser/status/1110932247505440769
That's wall money! :bang:
We can't pay Mexico's tariffs to build the wall without importing a lot of Mexican goods.
Trade deficit though!
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2019, 06:53:55 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 27, 2019, 07:14:28 PM
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Post by: sys on March 30, 2019, 05:15:05 PM
https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1111703916440420352
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2019, 05:29:05 PM
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on March 30, 2019, 06:07:45 PM
nafta 2.0 almost as good as nafta 1.0.
https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1111703916440420352
IMF wtf? In other news CNN says orange man bad! :Wha:
Post by: chum1 on April 02, 2019, 04:48:12 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 05:17:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 02, 2019, 05:58:58 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1113188794361090049
I’m legit pissed about this because I buy avocados and non-tube guac all the time.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 02, 2019, 07:07:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 07:16:07 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 02, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 02, 2019, 07:28:31 PM
Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 02, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
It’s rough ridin' stupid we are even having this discussion. There is no need for it but your idiot idol wants it so you have to defend it. All because he can’t stand our neighbors to the south.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 02, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
It’s rough ridin' stupid we are even having this discussion. There is no need for it but your idiot idol wants it so you have to defend it. All because he can’t stand our neighbors to the south.
but which of the 3 Mexicos does he hate worst?
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on April 02, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Avocados smdh
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Post by: Spracne on April 02, 2019, 08:03:29 PM
This hasshole just upgraded from tube guac like 2 weeks ago, and now he thinks he has standing to be righteously indignant about the price of fresh avocados?!Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
It’s rough ridin' stupid we are even having this discussion. There is no need for it but your idiot idol wants it so you have to defend it. All because he can’t stand our neighbors to the south.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2019, 08:18:12 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on April 02, 2019, 08:21:37 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 02, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
This hasshole just upgraded from tube guac like 2 weeks ago, and now he thinks he has standing to be righteously indignant about the price of fresh avocados?!Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
It’s rough ridin' stupid we are even having this discussion. There is no need for it but your idiot idol wants it so you have to defend it. All because he can’t stand our neighbors to the south.
I know both.
https://twitter.com/tracyalloway/status/1113223822545526785
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 03, 2019, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2019, 10:33:57 AM
Fun Fact: 97% of LibDerp Nation had never heard of an Avocado until Avocado Toast became popular and the LibDerp Lemming Train decided it was cool
You don’t “tacos por favor” or cooking thread much do you. Smdh
I don't consider a couple of dollops of avocado on a taco a worthy food discussion besides if it's fresh and available then sure, why not. That's covered in what? 2.5 posts?
It’s rough ridin' stupid we are even having this discussion. There is no need for it but your idiot idol wants it so you have to defend it. All because he can’t stand our neighbors to the south.
Unfortunately, your side (that we have on record over the course of decades) was apparently talking completely out of their asses when they went on record about their great "concern" for border security and how we just couldn't have people just hoping over the fences and doing whatever the wanted. Again, on record saying that illegal immigration must be stopped and on record saying that if people come here illegally they have to be deported. Now we have over 100K people a month crossing the border illegally and your side for political purposes only is trying to say it's not an emergency. Your side gives absolutely zero fucks about those people and are only using them as political pawns to advance your agenda.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 03, 2019, 11:22:04 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2019, 11:45:04 AM
It's a situation (an emergency if you must) that won't be remediated by a wall you rube
That's extremely debatable but I appreciate how Libs only listen to people they agree with on this issue.
In addition, Libs are so hyper-partisan they refuse to participate in any solution because they don't want to give Trump anything that resembles a victory. Which only reinforces once again that Libs give no fucks about the actual people involved, it's all just politics.
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
In addition, Libs are so hyper-partisan they refuse to participate in any solution because they don't want to give Trump anything that resembles a victory. Which only reinforces once again that Libs give no fucks about the actual people involved, it's all just politics.
This is performance art.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2019, 03:21:55 PM
You should see the thread where trump has Dax convinced his dad was born in Germany
Convinced?
You meant conceived? Right?
Post by: sys on April 17, 2019, 10:29:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on April 18, 2019, 02:38:14 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
Tariff on refrigerants hitting soon. Adding 40% to my wholesale costs. Hope your R-410A air conditioner doesn't spring a leak this summer!
Green New Deal will end refrigeration and widespread availability of electricity.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 18, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
Tariff on refrigerants hitting soon. Adding 40% to my wholesale costs. Hope your R-410A air conditioner doesn't spring a leak this summer!
Green New Deal will end refrigeration and widespread availability of electricity.
Good thing nobody voted for that.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 18, 2019, 11:20:11 PM
China . . . now featuring more stimulus and tax cuts
Are tax cuts a sign of weakness dax? Asking for a friend
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 09:52:13 AM
China . . . now featuring more stimulus and tax cuts
Are tax cuts a sign of weakness dax? Asking for a friend
Not always
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 19, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
China . . . now featuring more stimulus and tax cuts
Are tax cuts a sign of weakness dax? Asking for a friend
Not always
Meaning not this time because Trump did it.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 19, 2019, 12:14:31 PM
China . . . now featuring more stimulus and tax cuts
Are tax cuts a sign of weakness dax? Asking for a friend
Not always
How about when the economy is humming?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 19, 2019, 01:02:41 PM
China . . . now featuring more stimulus and tax cuts
Are tax cuts a sign of weakness dax? Asking for a friend
Not always
lol
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 19, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 23, 2019, 02:29:54 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on April 23, 2019, 09:12:04 PM
Governments don't cut taxes when they have surpluses?
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Post by: bucket on May 07, 2019, 09:39:57 PM
:blindfold:
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 07, 2019, 10:39:35 PM
https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1125941421188448257
:blindfold:
Sucks for them, conned by a complete con man. He doesn't care about them at all and they worship him, that's the saddest part.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2019, 09:42:37 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 08, 2019, 10:38:47 AM
:sdeek:
Post by: Cire on May 08, 2019, 10:51:51 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 13, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
Post by: steve dave on May 13, 2019, 12:24:13 PM
Post by: catastrophe on May 13, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 13, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
Who in their right mind would even argue that tariffs wouldn’t increase the cost of goods? That’s like the entire point.
I was told China would be paying for that
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Post by: Phil Titola on May 13, 2019, 01:01:25 PM
Perfect plan.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 13, 2019, 01:11:11 PM
Implement tariffs, blame China for increasing prices on the goods they sell us Midwestern Americans.
Perfect plan.
He's blaming Midwestern Americans for continuing to purchase the Chinese goods, though.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 14, 2019, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2019, 04:40:27 PM
Very . . . ChiCom Joe
Hey guys, continue all your product dumping, putting tariffs on everything we sell you, your IP, putting back doors in all your tech gear, your ongoing industrial espionage and your encroachment on the sovereignty and International Waters of the South China sea . . . why ratcheting up your rhetoric on Taiwan etc. etc. etc.
Post by: catastrophe on May 14, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
Post by: Cire on May 14, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on May 14, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
I appreciate how LibDerp Nation wanted to keep it BAU with China.
Very . . . ChiCom Joe
Hey guys, continue all your product dumping, putting tariffs on everything we sell you, your IP, putting back doors in all your tech gear, your ongoing industrial espionage and your encroachment on the sovereignty and International Waters of the South China sea . . . why ratcheting up your rhetoric on Taiwan etc. etc. etc.
you think tariffs fix those things, lol.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 09:04:37 AM
I appreciate how LibDerp Nation wanted to keep it BAU with China.
Very . . . ChiCom Joe
Hey guys, continue all your product dumping, putting tariffs on everything we sell you, your IP, putting back doors in all your tech gear, your ongoing industrial espionage and your encroachment on the sovereignty and International Waters of the South China sea . . . why ratcheting up your rhetoric on Taiwan etc. etc. etc.
you think tariffs fix those things, lol.
China slapped Tariffs on nearly all U.S. goods years ago, they now have a $5:$1 trade advantage. While that's not the only factor, it is a factor.
Always here to help you out, Phil.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2019, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 15, 2019, 09:30:55 AM
I appreciate how LibDerp Nation wanted to keep it BAU with China.
Very . . . ChiCom Joe
Hey guys, continue all your product dumping putting tariffs on everything we sell you, your IP, putting back doors in all your tech gear, your ongoing industrial espionage and your encroachment on the sovereignty and International Waters of the South China sea . . . why ratcheting up your rhetoric on Taiwan etc. etc. etc.
I thought Dems were generally opposed to free trade and the associated problems.
I assumed that is why Schumer and Pelosi supported Don's position on China.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 15, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
I appreciate how LibDerp Nation wanted to keep it BAU with China.
Very . . . ChiCom Joe
Hey guys, continue all your product dumping, putting tariffs on everything we sell you, your IP, putting back doors in all your tech gear, your ongoing industrial espionage and your encroachment on the sovereignty and International Waters of the South China sea . . . why ratcheting up your rhetoric on Taiwan etc. etc. etc.
you think tariffs fix those things, lol.
China slapped Tariffs on nearly all U.S. goods years ago, they now have a $5:$1 trade advantage. While that's not the only factor, it is a factor.
Always here to help you out, Phil.
"Advantage"
Post by: treysolid on May 15, 2019, 09:30:54 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2019, 08:11:21 AM
since China makes alot of crap, maybe (just maybe) they don't have to import alot of crap.
They also have a worse economy than us and can't afford to purchase as much of our products as we can afford from them.
Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2019, 08:15:50 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 16, 2019, 08:16:58 AM
Serious question. What happens if China were to decide to call in all the loans they've made the US government?
They are purchasing US bonds and are currently being paid the agreed upon rate.
Post by: chum1 on May 16, 2019, 08:47:21 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/chinas-self-destructive-nuclear-option-in-trade-war-selling-us-treasury-bonds.html
Post by: wetwillie on May 16, 2019, 08:50:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 02:00:02 PM
Whenever dax says chicom I hear rush’s velvety smooth voice saying it
Purposely posted to give Rush's #1 fan in residence, Parody Poster LibDerp7 a little rise . . .
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 20, 2019, 02:01:19 PM
Sure glad the Ruskies control a big chunk of some our rare earth or near rare earth commodities. Does the Lippo Group still control a big chunk of the good coal?
Post by: Institutional Control on May 20, 2019, 03:26:34 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
Whenever dax says chicom I hear rush’s velvety smooth voice saying it
Purposely posted to give Rush's #1 fan in residence, Parody Poster LibDerp7 a little rise . . .
Thanks for (constantly) thinking about me bud. Could you also start working in "screwel" for school?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 30, 2019, 07:16:59 PM
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Post by: Spracne on May 30, 2019, 07:26:18 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 07:35:06 PM
Are tariffs permanent?
Are the ever used to change behavior?
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 07:43:01 PM
https://twitter.com/markdice/status/1134252560846483456
Post by: Brock Landers on May 31, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1134240653926232064
The markets already seem to be adjusting to this multi-front trade war. I'm looking forward to Donald's triumphant Tweet when the Dow crosses 26k......again.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 11:24:07 AM
Post by: 8manpick on May 31, 2019, 11:27:59 AM
what is the maga talking point to excuse this moronic move?Buy American
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 11:43:59 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 31, 2019, 11:52:08 AM
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Post by: chum1 on May 31, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Wait until the MAGAs realize if the tariffs work as intended it could put more Mexicans out of work, causing them to......wait for it......head north. I don't think their brains are capable of making that connection though.
I'm just now putting two and two together. Trump thinks tariffs are taxes that Mexico pays to the US. Trump also says that Mexico will pay for the wall in one way or another. Therefore, Trump thinks that the tariffs can be used to make Mexico pay for the wall.
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2019, 12:54:33 PM
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Post by: Brock Landers on May 31, 2019, 12:56:33 PM
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Post by: chum1 on May 31, 2019, 01:09:05 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 31, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
People have deduced that Trump thinks the amount of a trade deficit is the amount of money one country is giving to another country. Like, he thinks that if we have a trade deficit, it's because a bad deal was negotiated on behalf of the US by inept politicians who don't have the skill of a master businessman like himself.
This is where I've landed on Trump's knowledge of trade.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 01:13:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2019, 01:18:59 PM
It's super gross.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 31, 2019, 01:32:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 01:42:21 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 31, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
Dax would be talking about that for the next 2 decades.
Post by: Trim on May 31, 2019, 01:45:36 PM
Texags is the one I know of
Perfect timing. Check bachelorette thread here in a minute.
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 31, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
He needs to read a book
Which of his advisors do you think he has read to him now?
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 31, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
What's a good example of an incel site to see what they're talking about? Hopefully it's not called goINCEL or something similarly named to this blog.
It would probably get tons of traffic.
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Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2019, 10:05:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1134629934369071105
Post by: chum1 on June 06, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1136637470878183425
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 09:48:09 AM
LibDerp nation prefers facilitating illegals and human traffickers who victimize children in order to try and cross the border and get asylum.
That's why they have 55K children on hold at the border while they try and sort out of they're with the legit parents/guardians.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 07, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1137155056044826626
Post by: catastrophe on June 07, 2019, 08:53:06 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2019, 03:33:31 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
Post by: steve dave on June 09, 2019, 08:33:29 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1137712485769863168
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 09, 2019, 08:39:03 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 06:18:16 PM
https://qz.com/1652388/chinese-real-estate-buyers-are-leaving-new-york-in-droves/
Post by: catbacker 73 on July 01, 2019, 06:03:06 AM
Not so much!
Just try and listen to the Sociopathic Orange Turd.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
Basically worthless . . .
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Worlds-First-Trillion-Dollar-Oil-Company-Has-A-Big-Problem.html#
Post by: Phil Titola on July 11, 2019, 12:55:37 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 26, 2019, 11:55:22 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1154791664625606657
Post by: Brock Landers on July 26, 2019, 12:09:46 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on July 30, 2019, 04:14:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 30, 2019, 04:36:49 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 30, 2019, 05:15:35 PM
We should acquiesce to all unfair trade policies imposed on U.S. products by other countries while allowing them open and free access to U.S. markets without question (LibDerp Nation)
Does it feel at all gross defending a thing your party has fought so hard against? I mean probably not given the rivers you will cross for your man but wow
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 31, 2019, 08:29:22 AM
We should acquiesce to all unfair trade policies imposed on U.S. products by other countries while allowing them open and free access to U.S. markets without question (LibDerp Nation)
Does it feel at all gross defending a thing your party has fought so hard against? I mean probably not given the rivers you will cross for your man but wow
The paradigm has been switched, "my party" (even though I've voted for copious numbers of (D)'s over the years) has never properly taken on either the Euro's or China on trade, letting them windmill on the U.S. almost as badly as Vlad Putin windmilled on President Stand Down (who got destroyed by Xi and China while his VP got bought by China).
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 31, 2019, 08:50:59 AM
What an incredible coincidence that you and a huge number of Republicans became protectionist suddenly!
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I'm enjoying how LibDerp Nation (and you're firmly one of them now) has taken this stance that this is all derivative of unilateral protectionism while falling all over yourselves to ignore the call for free trade, free from burdensome tariffs by this administration.
Again, why should the United States reciprocate with relatively minor tariffs (albeit across a broad spectrum) in relative terms, while the United States allies and so called "trading partners" continue to levee burdensome tariffs et. al. on U.S. goods and services?
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2019, 09:00:58 AM
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Post by: Phil Titola on July 31, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
I'm firmly one of libderp nation now because I don't support protectionist economic policies? gotta swing with that policy pendulum to stay out of libderp nation I guess.
I don't support protectionism either. I also don't support our so called "trading partners" and so called "allies" imposing near draconian levels of tariffs and targeted fees on U.S. companies in their markets while they enjoy nominal tariffs in relative terms as they sell into the U.S. market.
But I get it, LipDerp Nation clearly prefers face down ass up relative to trade.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2019, 03:44:29 PM
I'm firmly one of libderp nation now because I don't support protectionist economic policies? gotta swing with that policy pendulum to stay out of libderp nation I guess.
I don't support protectionism either. I also don't support our so called "trading partners" and so called "allies" imposing near draconian levels of tariffs and targeted fees on U.S. companies in their markets while they enjoy nominal tariffs in relative terms as they sell into the U.S. market.
But I get it, LipDerp Nation clearly prefers face down ass up relative to trade.
Unless trump does it lmfao
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2019, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 04:15:36 PM
I'm firmly one of libderp nation now because I don't support protectionist economic policies? gotta swing with that policy pendulum to stay out of libderp nation I guess.
I don't support protectionism either. I also don't support our so called "trading partners" and so called "allies" imposing near draconian levels of tariffs and targeted fees on U.S. companies in their markets while they enjoy nominal tariffs in relative terms as they sell into the U.S. market.
But I get it, LipDerp Nation clearly prefers face down ass up relative to trade.
Unless trump does it lmfao
Unilateral protectionism. Already said that. But good try, though, you always give it a good try.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 01, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 07:13:22 AM
https://twitter.com/kairyssdal/status/1157261210762350593?s=20
Post by: 8manpick on August 02, 2019, 07:15:13 AM
do you guys think don really believes china is paying the tariffs? I think that's an actual thing that could be happening. we can all agree he's a moron so it's in play. that said, he could be just assuming he can talk his voting base into believing china is paying the tariffs, which is in play for similar reasons.My theory is that originally, Don thought China was paying. He knows better now, but he also knows that it is rube fuel for his base, so he keeps fanning those flames.
https://twitter.com/kairyssdal/status/1157261210762350593?s=20
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 02, 2019, 07:15:57 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 07:28:12 AM
do you guys think don really believes china is paying the tariffs? I think that's an actual thing that could be happening. we can all agree he's a moron so it's in play. that said, he could be just assuming he can talk his voting base into believing china is paying the tariffs, which is in play for similar reasons.My theory is that originally, Don thought China was paying. He knows better now, but he also knows that it is rube fuel for his base, so he keeps fanning those flames.
https://twitter.com/kairyssdal/status/1157261210762350593?s=20
yeah, I think that's a realistic convergence of dumbassery that could be irl happening.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 07:36:03 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 07:59:48 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2019, 08:13:26 AM
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2019, 08:22:28 AM
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1136637470878183425
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 02, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Yes SD that means that this afternoon Trump will announce that American farmers will be entitled to almost 80% - or 35,000 metric tons - of the annual EU quota on hormone-free beef over seven years, with an initial allocation of around 40%, European officials told reporters in June.
What a dumbass but then again Trump could change his mind before the announcement today at 1:45
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
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Post by: Tobias on August 02, 2019, 09:25:32 AM
Him being an idiot is something we should have bipartisan support on but sadly you can’t fix stupid, and 95% of Trumpers are stupid.
@mocat
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 02, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
Him being an idiot is something we should have bipartisan support on but sadly you can’t fix stupid, and 95% of Trumpers are stupid.
@mocat
So cajoling the EU is a bad thing to increase and open their market for beef exports and idiot approved? You may think about taking this talking point to the FAGA thread . :gocho:
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 10:19:38 AM
Him being an idiot is something we should have bipartisan support on but sadly you can’t fix stupid, and 95% of Trumpers are stupid.
@mocat
So cajoling the EU is a bad thing to increase and open their market for beef exports and idiot approved? You may think about taking this talking point to the FAGA thread . :gocho:
Sounds like a special kind of stupid
Post by: ChiComCat on August 02, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 10:26:55 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
LibDerp Nation: Worried about farm subsidies and deficits since January 2017
:Carl:
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
LibDerp Nation: Worried about farm subsidies and deficits since January 2017
as a moderate republican who grew up on a cow farm I can assure you that the moderate republican cow farming community has been worried about farm subsidies for at least as long as I've been alive
Post by: Institutional Control on August 02, 2019, 10:42:34 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2019, 10:47:01 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
LibDerp Nation: Worried about farm subsidies and deficits since January 2017
as a moderate republican who grew up on a cow farm I can assure you that the moderate republican cow farming community has been worried about farm subsidies for at least as long as I've been alive
no you haven't. please don't lie and destroy the only rube talking point left
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 11:25:35 AM
I've never had a problem with farm subsidies I just like the hypocrisy that most of these farmers that receive these subsidies drive around in their $80K 4WD truck and then complain on FB when they see someone buy a T-bone with an EBT card.
Don't forget the lobsters
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 12:10:26 PM
LibDerp Nation: Worried about farm subsidies and deficits since January 2017
as a moderate republican who grew up on a cow farm I can assure you that the moderate republican cow farming community has been worried about farm subsidies for at least as long as I've been alive
What part confused you, Steve?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 12:11:24 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with socialist farming either. Resident daxderp nation might not have his finger on the pulse of libderp and fake centrist (who are firmly in libderp nation) nation as much as he claims :Chirp:
I enjoy when you think you speak for all LibDerpdom.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with socialist farming either. Resident daxderp nation might not have his finger on the pulse of libderp and fake centrist (who are firmly in libderp nation) nation as much as he claims :Chirp:
I enjoy when you think you speak for all LibDerpdom.
I enjoy when you think you speak for all libderpdom.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 12:21:17 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with socialist farming either. Resident daxderp nation might not have his finger on the pulse of libderp and fake centrist (who are firmly in libderp nation) nation as much as he claims :Chirp:
I enjoy when you think you speak for all LibDerpdom.
I enjoy when you think you speak for all libderpdom.
I just observe the :lol: you provide.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2019, 12:22:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 02, 2019, 12:35:16 PM
I just observe the :lol: you provide.
More unoriginal than usual on LibDerp7 Pissy Friday.
SMDH
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1157633906025402368
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 03, 2019, 09:33:20 AM
that argument legitimately holds water for some chuds. I think dax is just gE when he says it but there are honest to god people out there that believe the president when he says that stuff.
I will agree with you SD, I think the guy really does bluff his ass away on many situations and part of his success is based on that just like the EU caving on beef markets. Most people have no idea where he is coming or going so you make a decision as to avoid a reaction. I’m not saying the guy is a genius far from it, but when he does score a victory its amaze how far some will go to dismiss it.
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Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 03, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
You take on the bull (me), then you (you) get the horns (my entire foot in your ass) ‘sotacat.
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They just signed yesterday. And by the sounds of it, if you would since prices are so bad and there are like half a dozen skid steers laying around on the Lazy D could you hook me up I will bring it back in case the others go missing when BIG SD needs it?
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 04:31:58 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2019, 04:43:47 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 03, 2019, 07:29:05 PM
If the EU started selling us a bunch of cows, trump would just tariff their asses so we weren’t at a a trade deficitthat argument legitimately holds water for some chuds. I think dax is just gE when he says it but there are honest to god people out there that believe the president when he says that stuff.
I will agree with you SD, I think the guy really does bluff his ass away on many situations and part of his success is based on that just like the EU caving on beef markets. Most people have no idea where he is coming or going so you make a decision as to avoid a reaction. I’m not saying the guy is a genius far from it, but when he does score a victory its amaze how far some will go to dismiss it.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 11:44:18 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
so easy
Extremely.
https://twitter.com/cnbcfuturesnow/status/1158364153536503808
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
Meanwhile, in China/Hong Kong:
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Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:03:22 PM
I always lmao at the "sure we shot the end of our dick off but we forced china to shoot the entire shaft AND end of their dick off" talking points
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I always LMAO at the resident LibDerps Face Down: Ass Up stance to the Chinese.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
I always lmao at the "sure we shot the end of our dick off but we forced china to shoot the entire shaft AND end of their dick off" talking points
Very similar to "the only reason China is still trade warring is because of heavy subsidies!.... In other news, more socialism money is being sent to farmers so they don't all die from trade warring"
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:05:37 PM
I always lmao at the "sure we shot the end of our dick off but we forced china to shoot the entire shaft AND end of their dick off" talking points
Very similar to "the only reason China is still trade warring is because of heavy subsidies!.... In other news, more socialism money is being sent to farmers so they don't all die from trade warring"
LibDerp Nation: Concerned about Farm Subsidies since about 6 months ago
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2019, 12:16:15 PM
Ohh, a whole 1.41%
Meanwhile, in China/Hong Kong:
(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/b9b0e26d-8e1e-45c7-8a79-6cf3681856ff.jpg)
wait what are you getting at here dax
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2019, 12:23:56 PM
Extradition and democratic reform in Hong Kong are definitely related to the trade war, same as the Puerto Rican protests are a direct result of the Harley Davidson and Jack Daniels tariffs from ChinaOhh, a whole 1.41%
Meanwhile, in China/Hong Kong:
(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/b9b0e26d-8e1e-45c7-8a79-6cf3681856ff.jpg)
wait what are you getting at here dax
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:26:37 PM
If you want to believe that this situation is a grass roots protest against Chinese rule in Hong Kong, then you're just dumb.
The Chinese yuan devaluation sucks capital out of China and off sets any potential consumer price increases in the U.S. that may have been caused by Tariffs.
Yes 8man, these issues always just stay right in their lane. When Nation states go at each other the first rule is clear and delineated lines of dispute. Never anything on the periphery to destabilize the overall efforts.
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
Post by: mocat on August 05, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
Him being an idiot is something we should have bipartisan support on but sadly you can’t fix stupid, and 95% of Trumpers are stupid.
@mocat
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 12:50:24 PM
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Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 03:30:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 03:52:48 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
LibDerp Nation: Demanding all presidential promises be kept since January 2017, before that, just happy to have a (D) in the White House, no fucks given.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2019, 05:47:36 PM
Not your best effort dax
Dumb post considering where the Dow is . . .
Trump administration labels China currency manipulator. Chuckie Schumer approves.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2019, 05:48:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on August 05, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
Not surprising that K-S-U is now against free trade.
the dude would be pro killing his own mom if republicans wanted to
I support free trade. I'm also not losing my crap over every little thing Trump does. This is not a big deal. Isn't it exhausting always being so hysterical?
:lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
It's cute that LibDerp Nation now demands that the president keep every single promise.
LibDerp Nation: Demanding all presidential promises be kept since January 2017, before that, just happy to have a (D) in the White House, no fucks given.
Either he’s a huge moron or should be impeached. Which?
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 07:06:14 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1158709475517325313?s=21
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Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:00:03 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158718548518297600
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 08:58:59 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 10:37:55 AM
https://twitter.com/WSJecon/status/1158762327182893058
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 06, 2019, 10:55:28 AM
PLENTY more. as long as Donald keeps the farmer welfare flowing we'll be just fine thank you. Also 'sotacat tells me the EU is going to start eating beef like 24/7/365 at incredible prices that will keep our wallets stuffed with beef smelling euros.
https://twitter.com/WSJecon/status/1158762327182893058
I’m worried about you SD you are coming in at all nines, you need to bring it down to about a four? Somewhere in this article I’m Sure Papa SD has some interest.
https://www.farmprogress.com/beef/us-non-hormone-beef-gains-more-access-eu-market
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 12:49:41 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:32:51 PM
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1158913124868771842
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 08:53:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Neil_Irwin/status/1159098652134166530
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 10:20:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 07, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
Dow off record highs by 5% (maybe less) and the economy is "tanking": Check, got it.
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
Someone needs to teach dax verb tenses.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Dow off record highs by 5% (maybe less) and the economy is "tanking": Check, got it.
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
When will you be worried about government spending? Currently its never.
Post by: Tobias on August 07, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on August 07, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
Dow off record highs by 5% (maybe less) and the economy is "tanking": Check, got it.
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
anyone who cares about a balanced budget votes D
duh
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 02:54:57 PM
Dow off record highs by 5% (maybe less) and the economy is "tanking": Check, got it.
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
When will you be worried about government spending? Currently its never.
I know you guys ride the ganja train regularly and likely hit the rails a lot as well. So I understand how you've forgotten the numerous posts I've put on here about the budget and assailed both Obama and Trump for it.
Here's one example:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=41552.msg1921253#msg1921253
Put down the bongs, shove the mirrors and the old credit cards in the drawers and get yourselves cleaned up.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 03:12:07 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 03:22:34 PM
Dow off record highs by 5% (maybe less) and the economy is "tanking": Check, got it.
LibDerp Nation: Worried about government spending since 2 hours ago.
When will you be worried about government spending? Currently its never.
I know you guys ride the ganja train regularly and likely hit the rails a lot as well. So I understand how you've forgotten the numerous posts I've put on here about the budget and assailed both Obama and Trump for it.
Here's one example:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=41552.msg1921253#msg1921253
Put down the bongs, shove the mirrors and the old credit cards in the drawers and get yourselves cleaned up.
you damn kids and your damn fun AF drugs
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 03:24:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
when I was a kid all the drugs we had either made you a junkie immediately or you died. and we liked it, because it was all we had.
I was just talking about general forgetfulness . . . so, weird post (as usual) SD
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Post by: meow meow on August 07, 2019, 04:04:56 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 04:09:38 PM
I was just being a funny guy dax
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You're kinda getting a little Meade'y with the humor lately, work on it.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 04:20:29 PM
I was just being a funny guy dax
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You're kinda getting a little Meade'y with the humor lately, work on it.
Wanna guess who the vast majority of Meade voted for in 2016?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 04:23:35 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
I was just being a funny guy dax
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You're kinda getting a little Meade'y with the humor lately, work on it.
Wanna guess who the vast majority of Meade voted for in 2016?
Not for the racist candidate of Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 04:31:54 PM
I was just being a funny guy dax
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You're kinda getting a little Meade'y with the humor lately, work on it.
Wanna guess who the vast majority of Meade voted for in 2016?
Not for the racist candidate of Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation?
More hints for the extra stupid: big gov, deficit spending, windmills cause brain cancer
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
Hint: old, white, scared and dumb (no offense sd)
NONE TAKEN!
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 04:58:31 PM
I was just being a funny guy dax
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You're kinda getting a little Meade'y with the humor lately, work on it.
Wanna guess who the vast majority of Meade voted for in 2016?
Not for the racist candidate of Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation?
More hints for the extra stupid: big gov, deficit spending, windmills cause brain cancer
Save for the brain cancer stuff, literally everything Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation demands, plus massive catch and release at the border, and yet, you're still :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: 24/7/365 to the point you're driving mentally unstable people to shoot up places after place.
Sad
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 05:27:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 05:29:11 PM
Gonna have to dumb it down more
Yeah, some idiot (Slow Dug) is mad that his movement is getting everything they've always wanted.
SMDH
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2019, 06:12:58 PM
My windmill dunk arm is sore
Not on me . . . but I understand that's what Vlad told his aides after Obama finally left office.
Post by: Trim on August 07, 2019, 06:13:04 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
LSOC, you better be at FattyFest. We haven't hung out irl for a couple years and I had no idea you had or even were part of a movement.
I will be there as part of the movement (of making old idiots look older)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on August 08, 2019, 03:12:13 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2019, 03:26:34 PM
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-08-08/us-calls-china-thuggish-regime-for-singling-out-us-diplomat-in-hong-kong
Post by: LickNeckey on August 08, 2019, 09:42:41 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2019, 10:25:42 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 07:31:15 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on August 09, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
Holy crap wutTook me a sec. Nice use of trade war. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/)
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 08:23:08 AM
Holy crap wutTook me a sec. Nice use of trade war. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/)
lol this was not the thread it was originally posted in
Post by: IPA4Me on August 09, 2019, 08:24:27 AM
mods :shakesfist:Holy crap wutTook me a sec. Nice use of trade war. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cnllyz/yes_its_real_the_ideal_electricians_national/)
lol this was not the thread it was originally posted in
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 11:27:17 AM
Post by: bucket on August 14, 2019, 08:48:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 10:32:42 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 10:43:44 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 12:18:42 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
The economy was going to grow into perpetuity and markets never go down, so this is all very disappointing.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2019, 02:33:27 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 02:35:46 PM
Post by: meow meow on August 14, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 02:39:40 PM
BTW who said anything about not blaming Trump . . . terrible posting of late from a number of you, yet upon reflection, no worse than usual.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 02:46:39 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
do you blame trump?
Sure.
Let's blame Trump for a market that's still at 25K and Yellin saying slim chance of a Recession. #shortsell
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:05:23 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei-technicians-helped-african-governments-spy-on-political-opponents-11565793017?mod=hp_lead_pos5
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
Let's out the idiots who said give Huawei whatever they want! This time we will destroy them. together as a team like the very old and doddering neighbor Mr. Wilson (you) and the young but mischievous Dennis (me).
Its the general sentiment of LibDerp Nation who hates the fact that it's not BAU FDAU with China driven by Hate all Things Trump aka Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2019, 03:22:10 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 03:33:31 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 03:36:49 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 14, 2019, 04:04:28 PM
I wonder why that is? Quite a mystery?
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 04:29:22 PM
In a world where we still deal with geo-strategic and political decisions that were in some cases made decades and centuries ago, there's still special kind of idiots who think the past doesn't matter, of those special kinds of idiots, one in particular stands out: The Big Dummy
The economy was going to grow into perpetuity and markets never go down, so this is all very disappointing.
I’ve heard VERY recently that the market and economy are doing great, maybe in the best shape EVER. Why would we not think it’s going up forever with language like that? :confused:
Post by: bucket on August 14, 2019, 05:02:24 PM
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on August 14, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 14, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
In a world where we still deal with geo-strategic and political decisions that were in some cases made decades and centuries ago, there's still special kind of idiots who think the past doesn't matter, of those special kinds of idiots, one in particular stands out: The Big Dummy
The economy was going to grow into perpetuity and markets never go down, so this is all very disappointing.
I’ve heard VERY recently that the market and economy are doing great, maybe in the best shape EVER. Why would we not think it’s going up forever with language like that? :confused:
At least till end of someone's term with juicy tax breaks and tariffs.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1161754440950603782
Post by: LickNeckey on August 14, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
In a world where we still deal with geo-strategic and political decisions that were in some cases made decades and centuries ago, there's still special kind of idiots who think the past doesn't matter, of those special kinds of idiots, one in particular stands out: The Big Dummy
The economy was going to grow into perpetuity and markets never go down, so this is all very disappointing.
the new normal?
Post by: treysolid on August 14, 2019, 09:59:43 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2019, 07:21:52 AM
In a world where we still deal with geo-strategic and political decisions that were in some cases made decades and centuries ago, there's still special kind of idiots who think the past doesn't matter, of those special kinds of idiots, one in particular stands out: The Big Dummy
The economy was going to grow into perpetuity and markets never go down, so this is all very disappointing.
the new normal?
The new normal was overwrought exuberance over 2% growth (if that), 7.5% unemployment and #learntocode
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 15, 2019, 07:30:56 AM
China is playing hardball because they think the U.S. is behind all the upheaval in HK (they're correct) and they've got to project strength in spite of the fact that there's alarm bells all over their economy, from bank failures to plummeting factory orders.
To think it could be reversed by coming back to the table, reducing or eliminating tariffs, stop state sponsorship of intellectual property theft etc. etc. But that's not what China is, it's a corrupt authoritarian regime that built its economy on near slave labor, currency manipulation and corporate theft. Sadly aided and abetted by a laundry list of American companies. China is also a massive polluter who is escalating its emissions, building hundreds of new coal fired power plants and turning a blind eye to the reintroduction of chlorofluorocarbons into the production process in some provinces so as to increase efficiencies.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 15, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
On one side you've got the doom and gloomers who in some cases hate Trump so much they're cheering for a deep recession, and on the other side you've got people like Yellin who think the economy has enough momentum to avoid a recession.
China is playing hardball because they think the U.S. is behind all the upheaval in HK (they're correct) and they've got to project strength in spite of the fact that there's alarm bells all over their economy, from bank failures to plummeting factory orders.
To think it could be reversed by coming back to the table, reducing or eliminating tariffs, stop state sponsorship of intellectual property theft etc. etc. But that's not what China is, it's a corrupt authoritarian regime that built its economy on near slave labor, currency manipulation and corporate theft. Sadly aided and abetted by a laundry list of American companies. China is also a massive polluter who is escalating its emissions, building hundreds of new coal fired power plants and turning a blind eye to the reintroduction of chlorofluorocarbons into the production process in some provinces so as to increase efficiencies.
Trump literally just did that ace.
Post by: bucket on August 15, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
this is just a foretaste of the feast to come. the floor on this next recession will be LOW. lower than 2007.
I haven't seen or read that anywhere except for on The Epoch Times
Post by: treysolid on August 15, 2019, 09:24:45 PM
this is just a foretaste of the feast to come. the floor on this next recession will be LOW. lower than 2007.
I haven't seen or read that anywhere except for on The Epoch Times
how many people in finance and real estate do you talk to on a daily basis?
Post by: bucket on August 16, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on August 16, 2019, 11:22:36 AM
Post by: CHONGS on August 16, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 12:38:24 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1162330733580574721
Good economy means lots of people buying thing like German luxury cars etc. etc.
Crazy, huh
Post by: Phil Titola on August 16, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1162330733580574721
Good economy means lots of people buying thing like German luxury cars etc. etc.
Crazy, huh
Now apply this sane rationale to you rubes complaining about an overall trade deficit
Post by: star seed 7 on August 16, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
Post by: mocat on August 16, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2019, 12:46:22 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1162330733580574721
Good economy means lots of people buying thing like German luxury cars etc. etc.
Crazy, huh
lmao
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Post by: meow meow on August 16, 2019, 01:24:29 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on August 16, 2019, 01:39:08 PM
dax is scary good
Smooth in his pivots
Post by: CHONGS on August 20, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
Post by: The1BigWillie on August 20, 2019, 02:19:10 PM
this is just a foretaste of the feast to come. the floor on this next recession will be LOW. lower than 2007.
I haven't seen or read that anywhere except for on The Epoch Times
how many people in finance and real estate do you talk to on a daily basis?
I am curious as well. Who is saying this and what do they have to back it up. 2007 was pretty rough ridin' bad dude. It would take some serious eff ups to get there.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 20, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 20, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
https://twitter.com/stockboardasset/status/1163639288183099393
Post by: Cire on August 21, 2019, 02:42:58 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 21, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
Post by: treysolid on August 21, 2019, 11:35:59 PM
this is just a foretaste of the feast to come. the floor on this next recession will be LOW. lower than 2007.
I haven't seen or read that anywhere except for on The Epoch Times
how many people in finance and real estate do you talk to on a daily basis?
I am curious as well. Who is saying this and what do they have to back it up. 2007 was pretty rough ridin' bad dude. It would take some serious eff ups to get there.
The biggest fuckup has already happened. Boris Johnson (lol) has until the end of october to negotiate a deal. He won't, and when Britain goes in dry, that's going to be the first domino to fall.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 21, 2019, 11:59:48 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2019, 08:42:10 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on August 22, 2019, 10:49:18 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2019, 11:07:36 AM
cnn
Your tap out button is worn out.
Post by: LickNeckey on August 22, 2019, 11:22:13 AM
We don't like a publication because they have a certain political slant we don't like . . . so nothing they say can be true or accurate (LibDerp Nation)
i thought this was the entirety of the pub / conservative media platform
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2019, 11:29:04 AM
:confused:We don't like a publication because they have a certain political slant we don't like . . . so nothing they say can be true or accurate (LibDerp Nation)
i thought this was the entirety of the pub / conservative media platform
Is this where I get to use the whataboutism tapout?
Post by: LickNeckey on August 22, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 25, 2019, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on August 27, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 01, 2019, 09:39:01 AM
https://twitter.com/sdonnan/status/1179042091822923777
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 01, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2019, 09:46:19 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 01, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1179043425183817730
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Post by: treysolid on October 01, 2019, 10:09:49 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 03, 2019, 07:45:11 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 03, 2019, 11:20:07 AM
Monster
Post by: IPA4Me on October 03, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1181161687333900289
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Post by: Cire on October 07, 2019, 11:32:24 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 11, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 11, 2019, 03:44:57 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 11, 2019, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: 8manpick on October 16, 2019, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 17, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 17, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 17, 2019, 03:37:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 06:50:47 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2019, 06:52:55 AM
because stupid people need a reason to defend the hilariously stupid things that trump does.
The deranged OrangeMan Bad crowd likes to unilaterally declare something is stupid.
It’s quite funny.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on October 18, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
China GDP growth at 30 year low. Chinese auto sales: Crashing.
Prez is helping facilitate a global economic downturn.
WINNING!!!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
China GDP growth at 30 year low. Chinese auto sales: Crashing.
Prez is helping facilitate a global economic downturn.
WINNING!!!
Markets never had downturns until Trump (LibBot Nation)
Did any of you derpy derps see where China just basically stole all of their (our) commercial airliner technology technology that they’re using on their latest airliner?
Lol, I’m sure the 2020 Dem’s are gonna be super tough on the Chinese.
Pres Xi, meet President Soccer Mom, she’s a socialist like you.
Post by: LickNeckey on October 21, 2019, 01:14:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 21, 2019, 09:17:59 PM
how do i square the circle you have created that China is kicking our ass and must be contained/stopped with the idea that socialism is an abject failure and cannot succeed?
Intellectual property theft, Lick.
Why is this so hard for you? Success through theft.
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2019, 10:34:06 PM
great question tho Lick
Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1187444746282819584
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Post by: Brock Landers on October 24, 2019, 02:26:38 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 24, 2019, 07:36:52 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 24, 2019, 07:41:36 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2019, 07:51:07 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on December 19, 2019, 11:25:27 AM
:emawkid:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50849559
Post by: steve dave on December 26, 2019, 06:56:39 PM
https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1210353140765208580
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 26, 2019, 08:15:32 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 09, 2020, 12:33:43 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 09, 2020, 01:07:54 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 09, 2020, 01:45:12 PM
don't forget slave labor, and poor living/working conditions/population control measures
great question tho Lick
just saw this
slave labor?
tell me more about this
poor living/working conditions...
yes but part a product of market conditions not socialist policy, right?
population control measures.
but how does this positively affect the economic realities of China?
the abundant labor force is helping to drive manufacturing prowess.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 09, 2020, 01:49:02 PM
how do i square the circle you have created that China is kicking our ass and must be contained/stopped with the idea that socialism is an abject failure and cannot succeed?
Intellectual property theft, Lick.
Why is this so hard for you? Success through theft.
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:Ugh:
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 12:14:12 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 12:31:41 PM
Next time maybe Trump should put his balls in a vice to challenge China tariffs and IP theft. About as effective as the previous measures without wrecking the US economy.
Wrecking?
BTW, China's economy is in the tank.
Post by: catastrophe on February 20, 2020, 12:43:12 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
If you think that’s a good thing I’d like to hear why.
It's not a good thing for it to be completely in the tank. But unless they feel some pain the status quo is going to be maintained.
The U.S. economy is still very strong, but because SteveDave only knows OrangeMan bad, he thinks the US has shot "its dicks off".
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2020, 01:08:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
Yeah, it's not like our economy sees any benefit from China being able to purchase US bonds or anything.
LOL
Hey they buy our bonds . . . okay, let them just walk all over us then.
Post by: chum1 on February 21, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1230910145791758337
Post by: nicname on July 13, 2020, 09:13:18 PM
https://salinapost.com/posts/acdc90c3-2c3d-4aa4-a956-0dd92d320123
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 08:57:53 AM
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Oil-Exports-To-China-Soar-139-In-July.html
Post by: Phil Titola on August 31, 2020, 01:03:35 PM
Post by: Woogy on August 31, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Also, that fits perfectly into what I was saying about China months ago relative to Covid-19 and intent.
Thanks Phil, that's great data.
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 08:25:23 AM
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1301503989532459012
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 03, 2020, 09:45:15 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 12:43:08 PM
Also, when you look at what the United States exports and then look at the double digit drops in GDP across the globe (Australia just set an all time record drop in GDP, for example). This is not the least bit surprising.
Pretty surprised that (2) :kstategrad: don't understand this. It gives me pause.
Post by: steve dave on September 03, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on September 03, 2020, 12:51:17 PM
All of that sounds good dax
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I'm also all good with this.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 03, 2020, 12:52:57 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 03, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
All of that sounds good dax
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I'm also all good with this.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 03, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 04, 2020, 10:12:34 AM