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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sys on April 06, 2017, 06:23:00 PM
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i've linked a fair number of his articles, fitting them into existing threads haphazardly. from now on, i think it will be better to place them in their own thread.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/world-war-i-legacy-democracy/394616/
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He is a weirdo.
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i like him. he's insightful.
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No he isn't.
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sure he is.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/this-is-not-a-drill/526056/
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:excited:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/863034932209307648
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What is poignant is the dispair and turmoil the world was in after WW 1. Sounds like today.
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/863385704814051328
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/863385858891821061
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/863386179802103811
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/863386750584008704
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He'll be on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday.
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/864273111159623680
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I don't want to resign him. Good grief.
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Pence would probably be worse because he would probably actually get crap done.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
“We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands.”
It's about rough ridin' time.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
“We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands.”
It's about rough ridin' time.
it's a good thing that european countries view america as unreliable? you realize that this statement was made because trump refuses to stand behind article 5, right?
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I don't believe the context was offered concretely, in either sys' link or links contained therein.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
“We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands.”
It's about rough ridin' time.
it's a good thing that european countries view america as unreliable? you realize that this statement was made because trump refuses to stand behind article 5, right?
Unreliable compared to whom? What else is out there? What kind of reliability do they need? Or want? What would a reliable partner stand to gain from Europe?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/mcmaster-cohn-trump/528609/
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-five-lines-of-defense-against-comeyand-why-they-failed/529743/
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
“We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands.”
It's about rough ridin' time.
it's a good thing that european countries view america as unreliable? you realize that this statement was made because trump refuses to stand behind article 5, right?
No, they need to start spending the required amount of money to protect themselves. We constantly complain about how much we spend on defense of the rest of the world.
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Michael Isikioff of Yahoo News reported that four top D.C. lawyers had refused to handle Trump’s defense.
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Isikoff’s reporting suggests that a lifelong habit of skipping out on bills has saddled Trump with an attorney ill-prepared for the task ahead.
He's such a goddamn dipshit.
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Chum, serious question. How often do you look up the daily political news?
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Chum, serious question. How often do you look up the daily political news?
Some days zero. Some days five times. Usually two or three. Here's the thing. With Trump, there's just ALWAYS some sensational news (fake if you prefer) to post here. Every time I look, there's something to post.
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Tru that.
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Does anyone actually read the Atlantic, let alone the articles linked itt??? :confused:
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I read most every article posted. Why even read the read the threads otherwise?
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Honestly, I highlight most of this garbage. Trump is a shitty president and the media is left as crap. Fake news, reality star as president, etc.
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i only have one post in the thread and russia isn't mentioned in it. why are you making up narratives?
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i only have one post in the thread and russia isn't mentioned in it. why are you making up narratives?
Don't start back peddling now, you know exactly what you said.
Every current U.S. actions runs completely counter to your continued implications. Given the U.S. presence in your Europe it would be wholly impossible to conduct war against NATO member countries and not attack U.S. military facilities and personnel. To attempt to do so would essentially admitting you've lost before you've even started. It's about time NATO member countries get put on notice that they have to carry more of the weight, it's long over due.
Of course, what you'll never discuss is that the United States and NATO have completely under cut the original intent of NATO by engaging in unilateral war against sovereign nations that posed no security threat whatsoever to NATO and its member countries. Completely violating the NATO charter.
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Michael Isikioff of Yahoo News reported that four top D.C. lawyers had refused to handle Trump’s defense.
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Isikoff’s reporting suggests that a lifelong habit of skipping out on bills has saddled Trump with an attorney ill-prepared for the task ahead.
He's such a goddamn dipshit.
Interesting juxtaposition.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/873312717179957250
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/01/the-great-republican-revolt/419118/
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That might be the most unsubstantiated allegations ever contained in a single article (what MIR would call "strawmen"). It reads like WaPo editorial board fan fiction. Nice find
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/how-republicans-can-fix-american-health-care/532251/
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/884017591605485568
https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/884039167344234497
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-10-challenges-republicans-now-face/535275/
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I approve of all of this.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/925439864245383168
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/trump-putin-russia-election/545651/
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Trump's unyielding, 100% deference to Putin, to me, seems disproportionate to guilt associated with hacked email/troll farm election meddling.
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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/949504948819066880
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/949505342450388992
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Why is David Frum treated with anything but contempt? He has tried to wash the Iraq stink off, but he is incapable of ever truly owning up to even the basic facts of his involvement or the catastrophic costs. The very same David Frum that now wants to start a war with Iran. It is ok to think he is bad.
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he's right more than he's wrong, kk. great point by him about dogs.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/donald-trump-goes-full-fredo/549875/
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good podcast with good commentary and analysis by our hero, david frum.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/2/16966750/david-frums-theory-of-trumpocracy
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Took it to the Mooch on Realtime.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/yascha-mounk-democracy/554786/
i think this is right in the placement of trump as a symptom of a much larger problem. the real danger is the elevation of more competent actors, when trump fades.
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Also he's really old. Like how much could Hitler have accomplished if he was 70 when he got power?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/exodus-rex/555473/
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good piece from the frumster :thumbsup:
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/trump-mccabe/555869/
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WOW! I misread the topic; I thought it said DAVID FROM THREAD. :lol:
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Pretty good endorsement.
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/989450180578676736
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he's the best.
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Richard Dawkins is a weirdo.
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I'm not a big fan of Dawkins, but good for Frum.
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Richard Dawkins is a weirdo.
if i were a parent in your school district, i would lead a grassroots campaign to have you fired.
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:lol: at Libs now starting to throw around the phrase "Banana Republic" :lol:
Not a peep under Barack "harbinger of the biggest wealth gap in modern U.S. History" Obama.
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@sys your boy had some good points today, but I disagree with his conclusion as pretty naive (IMO its a big flaw of his).
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/fighting-fire-with-water/561818/
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to prey on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to pray on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
How would you like the LibBots to hold JFK or LBJ accountable?
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to prey on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
Yeah, things were pretty mumped up for women in America before I was born.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to pray on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
How would you like the LibBots to hold JFK or LBJ accountable?
Remove the shiny veneer that so many libs have of them (which is weird relative to LBJ and even JFK given the fact that they fully immersed the country into Vietnam, spied on the civil rights movement and spied on the anti-war movement).
Just remembering how even the most ardent feminists took to the airwaves and op-ed sections to defend Bill Clinton.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to prey on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
Yeah, things were pretty mumped up for women in America before I was born.
Meaningless given the scope of the discussion and the mindsets that exist.
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@sys your boy had some good points today, but I disagree with his conclusion as pretty naive (IMO its a big flaw of his).
he's an idealist. the world needs more like him.
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Yes, the world needs more barely thimble deep thinking idealists pandering to partisans.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to pray on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
How would you like the LibBots to hold JFK or LBJ accountable?
Remove the shiny veneer that so many libs have of them (which is weird relative to LBJ and even JFK given the fact that they fully immersed the country into Vietnam, spied on the civil rights movement and spied on the anti-war movement).
Just remembering how even the most ardent feminists took to the airwaves and op-ed sections to defend Bill Clinton.
At the end of the day, this is just more whataboutism. If we want to be a better society, we need to increase the standard of social norms we live by. The goal should be for this behavior to be unacceptable for any politician. Although Jefferson having slaves was acceptable then, clearly that wouldn't justify Trump owning slaves. Bill getting off too lightly for his offenses doesn't mean Trump has to as well. Everybody, particularly people elected to lead, should be held to a higher standard than their opposition party's worst offender from decades ago.
I don't know what you want the #metoo movement to do to Bill. His transgressions are out there. In my mind, the movement has been to shine a light on people of power that have been getting away with sexual harassment/assault. His have been well known for 20 years. He has had some accountability for his actions, though likely not as much as he would if they came to light today. Again though, the solution shouldn't be to hold Trump less accountable for all of his crap but to hold Clinton more accountable for his.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to pray on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
How would you like the LibBots to hold JFK or LBJ accountable?
Remove the shiny veneer that so many libs have of them (which is weird relative to LBJ and even JFK given the fact that they fully immersed the country into Vietnam, spied on the civil rights movement and spied on the anti-war movement).
Just remembering how even the most ardent feminists took to the airwaves and op-ed sections to defend Bill Clinton.
At the end of the day, this is just more whataboutism. If we want to be a better society, we need to increase the standard of social norms we live by. The goal should be for this behavior to be unacceptable for any politician. Although Jefferson having slaves was acceptable then, clearly that wouldn't justify Trump owning slaves. Bill getting off too lightly for his offenses doesn't mean Trump has to as well. Everybody, particularly people elected to lead, should be held to a higher standard than their opposition party's worst offender from decades ago.
I don't know what you want the #metoo movement to do to Bill. His transgressions are out there. In my mind, the movement has been to shine a light on people of power that have been getting away with sexual harassment/assault. His have been well known for 20 years. He has had some accountability for his actions, though likely not as much as he would if they came to light today. Again though, the solution shouldn't be to hold Trump less accountable for all of his crap but to hold Clinton more accountable for his.
It's really not a whataboutism, if you will not disenfranchise one of the most egregious violators from the forefront of the party while constantly pointing fingers across the aisle.
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to pray on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
How would you like the LibBots to hold JFK or LBJ accountable?
Remove the shiny veneer that so many libs have of them (which is weird relative to LBJ and even JFK given the fact that they fully immersed the country into Vietnam, spied on the civil rights movement and spied on the anti-war movement).
Just remembering how even the most ardent feminists took to the airwaves and op-ed sections to defend Bill Clinton.
At the end of the day, this is just more whataboutism. If we want to be a better society, we need to increase the standard of social norms we live by. The goal should be for this behavior to be unacceptable for any politician. Although Jefferson having slaves was acceptable then, clearly that wouldn't justify Trump owning slaves. Bill getting off too lightly for his offenses doesn't mean Trump has to as well. Everybody, particularly people elected to lead, should be held to a higher standard than their opposition party's worst offender from decades ago.
I don't know what you want the #metoo movement to do to Bill. His transgressions are out there. In my mind, the movement has been to shine a light on people of power that have been getting away with sexual harassment/assault. His have been well known for 20 years. He has had some accountability for his actions, though likely not as much as he would if they came to light today. Again though, the solution shouldn't be to hold Trump less accountable for all of his crap but to hold Clinton more accountable for his.
It's really not a whataboutism, if you will not disenfranchise one of the most egregious violators from the forefront of the party while constantly pointing fingers across the aisle.
I think only Republicans consider Bill at the forefront of the party anymore.
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DNR article, but I did a quick Ctrl+F for "Clinton" and didn't see anything. It sure pulled dax's itchy Clinton trigger finger though.
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good discussion with good person, david frum, and three other people.
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/49/whats-left-of-the-right/
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I still don't think I understand your foreign policy views sys.
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I still don't think I understand your foreign policy views sys.
halfway between neocon and neoliberal.
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I still don't think I understand your foreign policy views sys.
halfway between neocon and neoliberal.
:Yuck:
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Frum lost all credibility on anything trying to reference NK back 2 years. The only credible response from a 2 years ago and beyond perspective is a complete dropping of the ball by previous administrations.
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I still don't think I understand your foreign policy views sys.
halfway between neocon and neoliberal.
:Yuck:
:)
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1009270031782424577
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there is no context provided for the 2017 tweet. i don't recall frum supporting the muslim band, but please provide evidence if he did. the 2015 tweets are factual and unobjectionable.
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If the goal is to exclude radical Muslims from the United States, the executive order Trump announced on Friday seems a highly ineffective way to achieve it. The Trump White House has incurred all the odium of an anti-Muslim religious test, without any attendant real-world benefit. The measure amounts to symbolic politics at its most stupid and counterproductive.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/an-immigration-order-as-stupid-as-it-is-counterproductive/514847/
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LMAO
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1018489373858226176
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Frum should be more concerned about how easy it is for people to endorse opinions they (allegedly) don't agree with just because they get an award from a pro-Isreal group (however the eff that's connected)
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"i'm really not loving this game where Sacha Baron Cohen owns my friends"
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LMAO
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1018489373858226176
Incred
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Gross. Still, would watch.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1037352944658722817
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/paul-ryans-congratulates-himself-twitter/578452/
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1082290010357936129
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He's absolutely correct and it's very frustrating
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lmao
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1089929910695673868
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lmao
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1089929910695673868
Best Frum article I’ve read.
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he's not great at electoral analysis. no one's perfect.
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lmao
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/)
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I have no desire to read that, but I've seen him getting torched on twitter all day.
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If Frum was/is so concerned about domestic surveillance hopefully he was apoplectic throughout the Obama administration and he should also be just as apoplectic about the spying on the Trump campaign.
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ol' frumsie and bernie sanders disagree on a lot of things, but they violently agree on being super stupid about immigration.
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ol' frumsie and bernie sanders disagree on a lot of things, but they violently agree on being super stupid about immigration.
lol
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The decencies of normal life?
Yet Bill Clinton a multiple time accused (of sexual assault/rape) sexual predator, who just unilaterally exempted himself from the focus of the #metoo movement. Still (despite the absurd articles trying to say otherwise) remains front and center, and defended at every turn by the majority of the LibBot movement. A man who used the power of his office to coerce White House interns into performing sexual acts.
Libs have historically flown air cover for their sexual predators. JFK, by every account used the power and coercion of his position on women. LBJ essentially walked the late night halls of the White House to prey on visiting daughters of politicians, essentially telling them to "serve" their president.
Wow, just wow LibBots.
Yeah, things were pretty mumped up for women in America before I was born.
Before I post something about Dave, I need to admire the stupidity of this post.
Wow
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My goodness, what an incredible douche.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1321879510669811713?s=21