K-State basketball history and oscar Weber

[Kat Kid]

Could some other school "purchase" oscar's contract and we pay them the difference and oscar be required to coach there?  Like we trade oscar and then catch him in the lockerroom and let him know where he's headed?

[catzacker]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

This doesn't seem slow.

It will two years from now.  I think oscar gets that even with a similar year next year.

[bones129]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

This doesn't seem slow.

Slow or not, it's agonizing.

[Pendergast]

http://www.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112

If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.

But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.

This guy.

[nicname]

http://www.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112

If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.

But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.

This guy.

Damn.

[Panjandrum]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/Contract.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/WeberExtension.pdf

Jesus Christ, how did I forget that and miss a zero.

 

[wetwillie]

what in the eff.  that isn't real is it?

[PIPE]

http://www.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112

If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.

But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.

This guy.

 

[EMAWzified]

http://www.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112

If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.

But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.

This guy.

 

Looks like Currie miscalculated and should have bolted after last year. Now he's got this dead stinking albatross hanging from his neck, meaning we're stuck his worthless ass, too.

[Kat Kid]

I am not nearly as certain Currie wanted to leave quite as badly as we wanted him to.  There also may have been a mismatch between what other schools thought of John and what John thought of himself.  Also, he could like it here.  Whatever we thought we knew about him interviewing other places, he didn't get the jobs and lots and lots of people thought he would be gone by now.

[Trim]

I am not nearly as certain Currie wanted to leave quite as badly as we wanted him to.  There also may have been a mismatch between what other schools thought of John and what John thought of himself.  Also, he could like it here.  Whatever we thought we knew about him interviewing other places, he didn't get the jobs and lots and lots of people thought he would be gone by now.

He probably practiced interviewing with Brian Smoller.

[MakeItRain]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

This doesn't seem slow.

We're dead. Guillotine, and Marcus Foster was the head.

[MakeItRain]

I don't buy the talking point that Currie hired oscar with the goal of making him attractive to some blue blood university president. Nor do I buy into the Currie can't be trusted hiring another basketball coach narrative. I think when Currie hired oscar he tried to reinvent the wheel, he wanted to be smarter than anyone else, he tried to outsmart common sense. I think he is a smart guy who got caught up and made a very big very stupid mistake. How long will it take for him to realize his mistake? He may not for another year or two or he may already have come to that conclusion. When he realizes it how long will it take him to have the courage, humility, and conviction to correct the mistake and how does his boss play into all of this?

All that being said, is Currie a candidate for the Mizzou job?

[SPEmaw]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

This doesn't seem slow.

We're dead. Guillotine, and Marcus Foster was the head.

PW post.

[8manpick]

Good write up _FAN, I agree with the basic ideas in the blog.  I'm on #teamGiveWeberAChance, and I hope he has a 5 year run similar to Frank's.  But if we slip down to the 15-18 win type of seasons, I'm afraid that the apathy we saw in the late 90s/2000s will come back quickly, and you'll see 6,000 fans for home games against conference teams, and that bums me out.  I've loved the passion for KSU basketball the fan base has had in recent years, just hope it isn't washed away 2 years from now.

It could be washed away by February 2013. That's why all this is so terrifying/enraging. oscar will at best be a downgrade and has a good shot at being a total failure.

Huh

[Cire]

Is Currie even going to bball games?  I don't remember seeing him

[bones129]

I'm thinking that a lot of MBB season ticket holders won't be renewing.

[nicname]

Is Currie even going to bball games?  I don't remember seeing him

He's usually right next to Stan.

[Cire]

Was he there yesterday?

[catzacker]

I don't buy the talking point that Currie hired oscar with the goal of making him attractive to some blue blood university president. Nor do I buy into the Currie can't be trusted hiring another basketball coach narrative. I think when Currie hired oscar he tried to reinvent the wheel, he wanted to be smarter than anyone else, he tried to outsmart common sense. I think he is a smart guy who got caught up and made a very big very stupid mistake. How long will it take for him to realize his mistake? He may not for another year or two or he may already have come to that conclusion. When he realizes it how long will it take him to have the courage, humility, and conviction to correct the mistake and how does his boss play into all of this?

All that being said, is Currie a candidate for the Mizzou job?

I think Currie is like most executives - he has a vision, and it's going to happen come hell or high water.  Frank did not fit into that vision, and when the opportunity presented itself, Currie got rid of him/let him go and then for whatever reason, believed oscar fit into that vision.  My belief is that he just listened to the wrong people.  Much like Weiser listened to the "right" person in Eddie Fogler.

And like most executives, he's not going to admit failure until it is brought to his desk and he is absolutely forced to.  I don't see that happening for at least two more years, if that.

It's why the earth was flat for so many years.

[O-town Kat]

I don't buy the talking point that Currie hired oscar with the goal of making him attractive to some blue blood university president. Nor do I buy into the Currie can't be trusted hiring another basketball coach narrative. I think when Currie hired oscar he tried to reinvent the wheel, he wanted to be smarter than anyone else, he tried to outsmart common sense. I think he is a smart guy who got caught up and made a very big very stupid mistake. How long will it take for him to realize his mistake? He may not for another year or two or he may already have come to that conclusion. When he realizes it how long will it take him to have the courage, humility, and conviction to correct the mistake and how does his boss play into all of this?

I think this too, and moving on becomes alot like the Ron Prince sitch.  Questionable hire by the fanbase to begin with and a boat anchor to market for the forseeable future.  Marcus Foster means more to this program in the next 2 years than a coach a fanbase has no sense of loyalty to when times are tough.

[Dugout DickStone]

It was the search firm who made the call and I think they had an interest in getting oscar a job too.

[ChiComCat]

Judging by how smoothly he handed the WBB transfer issue, I don't think admitting mistakes and correcting them is Currie's strong suit.

[pissclams]

Judging by how smoothly he handed the WBB transfer issue, I don't think admitting mistakes and correcting them is Currie's strong suit.

yep.  he'll go down swinging with the oscar hire and bring our program with him.

[RickRampus]

Has anybody thought of the scandal approach?  Maybe someone tapes a kilo of Colombian bam - bam under squeaky - clean ' s car.