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Self funded
« on: April 23, 2018, 11:42:34 AM »


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Re: Self funded
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 12:02:47 PM »
well written article and some great coverage of our athletic dept from greenville, tx


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Re: Self funded
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 12:03:44 PM »
Yeah its awesome! I got this email a few weeks ago saying that the students don't have to pay an activity fee next year so that's pretty cool! Gene is the GOAT, one day their will be a building named after him.
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 12:08:57 PM »
Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 12:19:15 PM »
Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?
Less kids each year are going to college, KSU isn't the only school in Kansas taking a dip but by far it is losing the most. KSU gives out the best scholarships out of anyone in the state so I don't know. Most of the kids in my high school class didn't even go to JUCO so I honestly can't tell you. All i know is that a lot of people are afraid of gaining debt as they feel as if college isn't worth the time or money.
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 12:21:06 PM »
Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?
Less kids each year are going to college, KSU isn't the only school in Kansas taking a dip but by far it is losing the most. KSU gives out the best scholarships out of anyone in the state so I don't know. Most of the kids in my high school class didn't even go to JUCO so I honestly can't tell you. All i know is that a lot of people are afraid of gaining debt as they feel as if college isn't worth the time or money.
Enrollment is up 50% at technical schools in Kansas though, maybe people feel as if less is more when it comes to investment and time spent learning.
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 12:27:25 PM »
Up in here in sojoco Arkansas is spreading a lot of scholarship money around, I think targeting the KU families that are not getting the time of day from KU

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 12:29:36 PM »
Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 12:30:22 PM »
Tuition has gone up like every year for the past decade too.

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 12:39:40 PM »
I know some kids who are paying 25% more in yearly tuition then I did in 2009 when I started college. A 25% increase in less than 10 years is outrageous.


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Re: Self funded
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 12:43:14 PM »
Yeah if I wouldn't have went to KState I probably would have went to BUCO and would be getting certs to start in IT with an associates and spending no money at all.
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 12:49:02 PM »
Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at.   This leads to lots of resentment in both directions.  Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 01:08:31 PM »
Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at.   This leads to lots of resentment in both directions.  Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.

We should just continue to turn K-State Polytechnic into this role.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 01:20:00 PM »
The real question is how does K-State enrollment look relative to regional P5 and high mid major schools.

The answer is . . . not good.

Even MU is back on pace to all time record applications.   Cornhole, Iowa, Iowa State, OU, OSU, CU, CSU, Ark are holding at (less than 1% off all time record  highs) or at all time enrollment highs.  Even KU is back on track.   K-State down over 10% in 3 years. 

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 01:23:11 PM »
You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.


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Re: Self funded
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2018, 01:31:25 PM »
You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.

Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace.   The uptick ended in 2014.


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Re: Self funded
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2018, 01:57:12 PM »
Ft Riley lost a lot of people and the state of KS has incentivized Vo-Tech classes to KS high schoolers while cutting funding to universities.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2018, 03:09:05 PM »
Self funded, thanks Currie!
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2018, 06:42:21 PM »
You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.

Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace.   The uptick ended in 2014.
Idk why k-state is dying the way it is but it’s very concerning imo.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2018, 07:42:10 PM »
It’s hard to believe this:

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So how is Kansas State successfully operating without any support? Three main things — Big 12 revenue, ticket sales and a passionate alumni and fan base that donates millions each year through the Ahearn Fund.

Kansas State’s annual financial report submitted to the NCAA shows those three areas combined for $71.9 million in revenue, or 83 percent of monies brought in during the 2017 fiscal year. Kansas State earned $44.1 million in 2016-17 for media rights and licensing, up more than $4 million from 2016. The Big 12’s revenue-sharing model played a key role in that number, accounting for $34.8 million.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2018, 08:30:13 PM »
You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.

Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace.   The uptick ended in 2014.
Idk why k-state is dying the way it is but it’s very concerning imo.

This isn't too complicated... state funding has declined 17% over the past 8 years while household income in Kansas has not regained pre-recession levels. https://realprosperityks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Higher-ed-report-FINAL.pdf 

Currently, university students now pay about 71% of the cost of tuition, up from around 50% pre-recession http://kmuw.org/post/students-state-universities-kansas-pay-higher-education-funding-cuts

To add to the issue, economic activity in Kansas has been well below our neighbors.  Missouri has slouched a bit recently and our coincident index is now slightly better than Missouri: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?id=MOPHCI,KSPHCI,OKPHCI,NEPHCI,COPHCI,  This has probably forced some kids to look away from a four-year degree or do so in another state.

K-State has also been hurt because while we went on a building spree KU went on an endowment building process; hence, somewhat lowering our competitive advantages. 

I used to work a lot with some of the ag economic / economic departments of regional schools and it was difficult to watch top faculty at KSU be picked off by Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan St., Purdue, etc.  I hope we get it squared away and back on track.  KSU made tons of progress and hopefully it can get the wheels moving again.

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Re: Self funded
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2018, 09:16:12 PM »
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Re: Self funded
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2018, 08:42:50 AM »
do we blame The Animal or whatever Gen Myers nickname is?

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2018, 10:35:13 AM »
Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at.   This leads to lots of resentment in both directions.  Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.

We should just continue to turn K-State Polytechnic into this role.

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