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for posters with a democratic senator
« on: January 31, 2017, 08:55:47 PM »


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Re: for posters with a democratic senator
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 09:31:28 PM »
As with the Republicans, this would be much more effective if Democrats actually waited to see the candidate.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 09:51:36 PM »
As with the Republicans, this would be much more effective if Democrats actually waited to see the candidate.

i don't know if the republican effort could have been any more effective, technically.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 10:08:35 PM »
Marvelously effective. Capped by a marvelous pick. Dems will come out on the losing end if they try to fillibuster Gorsuch. But it's what their crazy base will demand so they're caught in a tough spot.
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Re: for posters with a democratic senator
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2017, 10:28:18 PM »
As with the Republicans, this would be much more effective if Democrats actually waited to see the candidate.

i don't know if the republican effort could have been any more effective, technically.

I think it could have been more effective if Obama did not get his nominee and the Republican congressmen maintained some additional political capital and credibility along the way.

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Re: for posters with a democratic senator
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2017, 10:36:03 PM »
political capital and credibility.

look at this guy, stuck in the 20th century.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2017, 10:41:38 PM »
Seems like this isn't the hill to die on for the dems.  Seems like a highly respects judge-guy.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2017, 10:50:41 PM »
Seems like a highly respects judge-guy.

that's really irrelevant, phil.  they have to disincentivize maneuvers like that of blocking garland.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2017, 11:17:12 PM »
Meh.... Maybe better to hold over your opponent's head that you took the high road... That worked well in the past right?

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2017, 11:24:19 PM »
It's just one crap sammich after another for the left right now  :curse:
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2017, 11:37:36 PM »
better to hold over your opponent's head that you took the high road... That worked well in the past right?

no, that's never worked.  the only way to disincentivize a rational opponent is to exact a price for aggression that is greater than the probable gain.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 12:06:55 AM »
Seems like this isn't the hill to die on for the dems.  Seems like a highly respects judge-guy.

There is no hill to die on here. They really can't stop the appointment anyway so they better put up a fight. I left the democratic party because they are turtling cowards that allowed themselves to get punked by the republicans. It gave me the appearance that democrats were only interested in getting re-elected and to not upset Washington's quid pro quo manner of behavior. Maybe at some point they should perhaps display that spine.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 01:14:44 AM »
they really can't stop the appointment anyway so they better put up a fight.

the only way he can be confirmed before 2018 is if eight democrats betray their constitutional duty or the republicans remove the filibuster for supreme court nominations.  trading the filibuster for a justice would be to the democrats advantage.  they have nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 02:16:57 AM »
they really can't stop the appointment anyway so they better put up a fight.

the only way he can be confirmed before 2018 is if eight democrats betray their constitutional duty or the republicans remove the filibuster for supreme court nominations.  trading the filibuster for a justice would be to the democrats advantage.  they have nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain.

I'm fairly certain I've seen either hints or direct quotes stating that they would remove the filibuster.

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2017, 09:07:49 AM »
I haven't heard anything about removing the filibuster. What I have heard is changing the number of votes necessary for confirmation.

I have also heard a lot of talk that this pick isn't as important as the next one. If they are going to stand against a nomination it would be for the next retirement/death in the SCOTUS.


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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2017, 09:11:09 AM »
I haven't heard anything about removing the filibuster. What I have heard is changing the number of votes necessary for confirmation.

I have also heard a lot of talk that this pick isn't as important as the next one. If they are going to stand against a nomination it would be for the next retirement/death in the SCOTUS.

That's just stupid. They are all equally important.

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2017, 09:31:58 AM »
I haven't heard anything about removing the filibuster. What I have heard is changing the number of votes necessary for confirmation.

I have also heard a lot of talk that this pick isn't as important as the next one. If they are going to stand against a nomination it would be for the next retirement/death in the SCOTUS.

That's just stupid. They are all equally important.

They're all important, but in terms of immediately shifting the ideology of the court, this pick is a wash. It is replacing one "conservative" with another (albeit younger, much like with Kagan and Sotomayor). Replacing - say, Ginsburg, Breyer, or even Kennedy with a more Originalist justice would result in a much more pronounced shift in the balance of the court. That's what Yard is referring to.

Thus, the thinking goes, Democrats would be stupid to force abolition of the filibuster over this pick, because they could potentially use the threat of filibuster to encourage a more moderate replacement of one of the  liberal justices in the near future.

And make no mistake about it, if Democrats filibuster Gorsuch, the filibuster is going to be nuked. Mertle the Turtle is loathe to do that - he cherishes Senate tradition - but he's not going to have any choice if Dems push the issue. Gorsuch is going to be confirmed - the question is how much the Dems damage themselves in appeasing their base.
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Re: for posters with a democratic senator
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2017, 11:46:11 AM »
I gotta say, the more Democrats fight this, I think the better it is for Trump.

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 10:21:53 PM »
I gotta say, the more Democrats fight this, I think the better it is for Trump.

I'd love to see this explanation

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 10:32:58 PM »
yeah, that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 10:39:03 PM »
Great, fight it then..........
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 11:38:24 PM »
Great, fight it then..........

write your senator and encourage him or her to fight, gato.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2017, 01:02:57 AM »
Nah, Barack told me elections have consequences and I'll just honor that pards.
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2017, 06:19:57 AM »
I haven't heard anything about removing the filibuster. What I have heard is changing the number of votes necessary for confirmation.

Which is what nuking the filibuster is......
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2017, 06:35:33 AM »
So if the dems filibuster and the pubs nuke it what does that mean down the road?  Can the pubs force another selection through with just 51 votes or does it reset to 60 again?