The Trump Candidacy

[ChiComCat]

I don't think abortion should be a crime, BUT IF IT WAS, then not not punishing the woman who gets an abortion is logically incongruent.

How's that, they aren't giving themselves the procedure. It is currently illegal for a woman to intentionally harm their fetus.

Thank you for highlighting the absurd incongruence of our current laws. Most states criminalize self-inflicted abortion (though it rarely charged), but it's perfectly legal in most states and in fact constitutionally protected for a state-licensed physician to perform most abortions. It it's legal for a doctor to do it, why can't a woman do it? What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

I am not sure what your point is.  There are a number of procedures that require licensed doctors to carry out.

[DQ12]

I don't think abortion should be a crime, BUT IF IT WAS, then not not punishing the woman who gets an abortion is logically incongruent.

How's that, they aren't giving themselves the procedure. It is currently illegal for a woman to intentionally harm their fetus.

Thank you for highlighting the absurd incongruence of our current laws. Most states criminalize self-inflicted abortion (though it rarely charged), but it's perfectly legal in most states and in fact constitutionally protected for a state-licensed physician to perform most abortions. It it's legal for a doctor to do it, why can't a woman do it? What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

I am not sure what your point is.  There are a number of procedures that require licensed doctors to carry out.

Or receiving access to prescribed medication.  I don't know what Chant is getting at, but I don't think it's a good argument. 

[star seed 7]

I don't think abortion should be a crime, BUT IF IT WAS, then not not punishing the woman who gets an abortion is logically incongruent.

How's that, they aren't giving themselves the procedure. It is currently illegal for a woman to intentionally harm their fetus.

Thank you for highlighting the absurd incongruence of our current laws. Most states criminalize self-inflicted abortion (though it rarely charged), but it's perfectly legal in most states and in fact constitutionally protected for a state-licensed physician to perform most abortions. It it's legal for a doctor to do it, why can't a woman do it? What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

Haven't given this much thought, have you?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It's killing a baby either way, but one is illegal and the other usually isn't. There is another human life at issue, and whether that life can be legally killed.  That seems a little different than requiring a prescription or other general licensure requirements.

Likewise, many states would charge the killing of a pregnant woman as a double homicide, which doesnt seem to square with the mantra that a fetus is just a lump of cells that can be freely disposed of by the mother.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I don't think abortion should be a crime, BUT IF IT WAS, then not not punishing the woman who gets an abortion is logically incongruent.

How's that, they aren't giving themselves the procedure. It is currently illegal for a woman to intentionally harm their fetus.

Thank you for highlighting the absurd incongruence of our current laws. Most states criminalize self-inflicted abortion (though it rarely charged), but it's perfectly legal in most states and in fact constitutionally protected for a state-licensed physician to perform most abortions. It it's legal for a doctor to do it, why can't a woman do it? What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

I am not sure what your point is.  There are a number of procedures that require licensed doctors to carry out.

Is it illegal to do surgery on yourself?

[star seed 7]

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think we should fine or jail women who self abort.

[ChiComCat]

I don't think abortion should be a crime, BUT IF IT WAS, then not not punishing the woman who gets an abortion is logically incongruent.

How's that, they aren't giving themselves the procedure. It is currently illegal for a woman to intentionally harm their fetus.

Thank you for highlighting the absurd incongruence of our current laws. Most states criminalize self-inflicted abortion (though it rarely charged), but it's perfectly legal in most states and in fact constitutionally protected for a state-licensed physician to perform most abortions. It it's legal for a doctor to do it, why can't a woman do it? What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

I am not sure what your point is.  There are a number of procedures that require licensed doctors to carry out.

Is it illegal to do surgery on yourself?

Broad question and the broad answer is no.  Self inflicting an abortion is rarely a surgical procedure though.  Usually it involves ingesting dangerous and/or prescribed substances.  There are a number of laws making that illegal.

BTW, if some mod slogging through this wants to chuck the last few pages in some abortion thread, it's prob not a bad idea.

[catastrophe]

I don't think we should fine or jail women who self abort.

Whatever it is, there needs to be something to discourage the practice. If it is acceptable for someone to perform a complex and dangerous procedure on themselves it makes no sense to say it's unacceptable to allow a qualified professional to perform it for them. The reverse actually makes sense if you are into protecting people from themselves (hence the current laws).

[catastrophe]

Once again, the strangest thing about this is that the second Trump says something that at least a few reasonable people agree on, he takes it back. Just proves he's crazy even when he makes sense.

[sys]

Once again, the strangest thing about this is that the second Trump says something that at least a few reasonable people agree on, he takes it back. Just proves he's crazy even when he makes sense.

that's not strange at all.  he's trying to get elected.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Once again, the strangest thing about this is that the second Trump says something that at least a few reasonable people agree on, he takes it back. Just proves he's crazy even when he makes sense.

that's not strange at all.  he's trying to get elected.

Sometimes watching Trump is like watching your team get a fast break on a steal and then miss the dunk. But mostly it's like watching K-State basketball in general. Mostly.

[catastrophe]

Once again, the strangest thing about this is that the second Trump says something that at least a few reasonable people agree on, he takes it back. Just proves he's crazy even when he makes sense.

that's not strange at all.  he's trying to get elected.

But to get ahead he has been saying all the things practically any campaign manager would have considered political suicide. It's a classic case of forgetting what got you there.

[catastrophe]

Also on Trump: I have heard him justify violent speech/behavior now based on the threat of tomatoes being thrown and a pen held by a reporter that could have been a bomb.

I am being 100% serious when I say I don't really think Trump is trying to use rhetoric to whip people into a fury. I think he is just one of the most scared and paranoid people that has made a serious run for office.

[sys]

It's a classic case of forgetting what got you there.

i think it's more of a case of realizing you're about to commit suicide and pulling the gun out of your mouth.

[bones129]

Trump takes a hit tonight and blames it on everybody else. 

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/05/a-quieted-donald-trump-quickly-turns-on-lyin-ted/?_r=0

[Rage Against the McKee]

Trump takes a hit tonight and blames it on everybody else. 

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/05/a-quieted-donald-trump-quickly-turns-on-lyin-ted/?_r=0

Trump really is up against a lot. I really don't want him to be president, but I can't help but find myself pulling for him sometimes.

[bones129]

Donald and his staff are trying to figure a lot of things out. He said the other day that he'll become "presidential" when the time comes. Will this guy ever become "Presidential?"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

He has three more people to off, then he will be so presidential, it'll make your head spin.

[Ptolemy]

It has become abundantly clear that Trump is going to end up on June 7 with anywhere from 40-100+ delegates shy of the 1237 majority. At convention, Trump will come up short on the first ballot, Ted Cruz will garner a majority on the second, and he will move over the majority number on the third to gain the nomination.  Rubio stated in an interview this week on LevinTV that he was binding his delegates on the first ballot and then they would be free, or pledged to the only conservative in the race. If Rubio had wanted to release his delegates today, he would have formally endorsed Cruz. But he didn't.

[bones129]

Trump's victory speech tonight was interesting. He dropped the "Lyin' Ted" references and instead referred to Cruz as "The Senator." He also formalized his references to Kasich, calling him "Governor Kasich." The Don is clearly in retool mode, as evidenced also by his recent staff changes.

The Tool retools. This could get interesting.

[Yard Dog]

Trump's victory speech tonight was interesting. He dropped the "Lyin' Ted" references and instead referred to Cruz as "The Senator." He also formalized his references to Kasich, calling him "Governor Kasich." The Don is clearly in retool mode, as evidenced also by his recent staff changes.

The Tool retools. This could get interesting.

The healing begins. 

[chum1]

If he keeps it up, he's going to lose his d-bag base and wind up being the biggest national election loser in history by an even wider margin.

[CNS]

Agreed.  Seems like it's time to double down, not lighten up. 

He would still own the most legitimate threat to the 'pubs in my lifetime, in an independent run.  He may not hold the key to victory, but he could easily ensure a 'pub loss in the General at this point.

[SkinnyBenny]

Hillary is going to cruise and pubs will be so butthurt