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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #325 on: November 22, 2017, 12:59:10 PM »
I don't know anything about the issue but if I were guessing I would say this is an opportunity for the big ISP companies to slow down your internet if you don't pay them a whole F ton.  They have been killing each other in price wars and this will let them dick us harder.

Am I right?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #326 on: November 22, 2017, 01:02:37 PM »
I don't know anything about the issue but if I were guessing I would say this is an opportunity for the big ISP companies to slow down your internet if you don't pay them a whole F ton.  They have been killing each other in price wars and this will let them dick us harder.

Am I right?
isn't that exactly how markets work though?

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basically, i'm seeing a bunch of people tell everyone to call their congressmen but i don't understand (a) why bringing things back to the 2014-15 era of ISP regulations would lead to the doomsday scenarios people claim it will and (b) even if it does why those doomsday scenarios are unfair
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #327 on: November 22, 2017, 01:06:49 PM »
Dlew wants to MAGA.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #328 on: November 22, 2017, 01:08:28 PM »
Yea it's how markets work when they are monopolized
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #329 on: November 22, 2017, 01:12:01 PM »
Two big things net neutrality keeps in check:

1. Censorship. ISPs would be able to restrict access to whatever they want. Got a Soros/Koch type who owns an ISP? Maybe you won’t be able to see certain content around election time. Not super likely, but more importantly, totally ok without net neutrality.

2. It can kill competition among content providers. Something like YoutubeTV coming to your area? Think again says DIRECTV Now, we’re going to pay the ISP to NOT carry their content so that we can charge you more for ours.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #330 on: November 22, 2017, 01:13:01 PM »
Dlew12, ISP's were starting to look at "tiered" internet for a little while before title II, but it's a pretty big step that will piss off most of their consumers. What sucks is that ISP's are basically a public utility at this point and choice of service isn't possible for most consumers.

Think of it like this: what if kcpl started charging tiers like a  heating/ac bundle, a kitchen appliances bundle, an entertainment bundle, a computer or business bundle, etc
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #331 on: November 22, 2017, 01:23:54 PM »
Dlew12, ISP's were starting to look at "tiered" internet for a little while before title II, but it's a pretty big step that will piss off most of their consumers. What sucks is that ISP's are basically a public utility at this point and choice of service isn't possible for most consumers.

Think of it like this: what if kcpl started charging tiers like a  heating/ac bundle, a kitchen appliances bundle, an entertainment bundle, a computer or business bundle, etc
Now this I understand.  I don't know why it's impossible for most consumers to choose their ISPs, but if that's the case then that's a problem that the market wouldn't be able to solve.


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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2017, 02:28:07 PM »
Dlew12, ISP's were starting to look at "tiered" internet for a little while before title II, but it's a pretty big step that will piss off most of their consumers. What sucks is that ISP's are basically a public utility at this point and choice of service isn't possible for most consumers.

Think of it like this: what if kcpl started charging tiers like a  heating/ac bundle, a kitchen appliances bundle, an entertainment bundle, a computer or business bundle, etc

Which is pretty precisely what the FCC ruled and enforced in 2015 to keep the internet neutral. They labeled it as a utility, as it should be.


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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #334 on: November 22, 2017, 03:15:23 PM »
That's the douchebag from Parsons.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2017, 05:35:11 PM »
I don't know why it's impossible for most consumers to choose their ISPs, but if that's the case then that's a problem that the market wouldn't be able to solve.

the major ISP players are very often operating under municipal franchise monopolies. in a large part of the US, if you're lucky you get to choose between paying the telephone franchise utility or paying the cable franchise utility

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #336 on: November 22, 2017, 05:47:15 PM »
I think we all got trolled by dlew12
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #337 on: November 22, 2017, 09:36:51 PM »
Wasn't trolling.  Genuinely didn't understand it because most articles seemed hyperbolic one way or the other.  This thread helped clear things up for me.


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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #338 on: November 22, 2017, 09:43:13 PM »
He was just asking questions bros

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #339 on: November 27, 2017, 03:24:14 PM »
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #340 on: November 27, 2017, 03:27:43 PM »
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« Reply #341 on: November 27, 2017, 03:30:29 PM »
Not for racists

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #342 on: December 01, 2017, 04:37:10 AM »
Dlew12, ISP's were starting to look at "tiered" internet for a little while before title II, but it's a pretty big step that will piss off most of their consumers. What sucks is that ISP's are basically a public utility at this point and choice of service isn't possible for most consumers.

Think of it like this: what if kcpl started charging tiers like a  heating/ac bundle, a kitchen appliances bundle, an entertainment bundle, a computer or business bundle, etc
Now this I understand.  I don't know why it's impossible for most consumers to choose their ISPs, but if that's the case then that's a problem that the market wouldn't be able to solve.

The technology also is still very much in development. The area I live in is getting our first high speed isp this month. It's been satellite and line of sight internet in the area I live in.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #343 on: December 01, 2017, 08:15:39 AM »
Does line of sight internet mean watching your neighbors’ Netflix through the window?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #344 on: December 01, 2017, 04:38:41 PM »
Does line of sight internet mean watching your neighbors’ Netflix through the window?

It's getting a signal from antennas.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #345 on: December 01, 2017, 05:32:28 PM »
Just got another quote back.  11,000 feet of fiber, will cost $279K to build.  Plus another $25K to the railroad to bore under their tracks, pole attachment fees to local utility TBD, and ROW fees to local municipality TBD.

Current ROI: 84 months!




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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #346 on: December 01, 2017, 05:34:46 PM »
Just got another quote back.  11,000 feet of fiber, will cost $279K to build.  Plus another $25K to the railroad to bore under their tracks, pole attachment fees to local utility TBD, and ROW fees to local municipality TBD.

Current ROI: 84 months!






what does this mean in relation to this thread?
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #347 on: December 01, 2017, 05:39:10 PM »
Just got another quote back.  11,000 feet of fiber, will cost $279K to build.  Plus another $25K to the railroad to bore under their tracks, pole attachment fees to local utility TBD, and ROW fees to local municipality TBD.

Current ROI: 84 months!






what does this mean in relation to this thread?

The meltdown over tiered pricing.   The United States suffers from the worst urban sprawl in the world, everybody wants their little ranch and ranchettes in the middle of nowhere yet wants huge unlimited Internet bandwidth for 50 bucks a month.   Then in Urban settings the local governments plow their hand in the cookie jar.




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« Reply #348 on: December 01, 2017, 05:42:47 PM »
Plus the notion that the Taxpayers have "paid" and thus must be giving almost free access is comical.  Taxpayers paid for the existence of the Internet, but in most cases didn't pay a dime for the access to the Internet.   

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #349 on: December 01, 2017, 05:45:28 PM »
so you are advocating that the current proposals that would favor ISP's is ok with you?
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