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It's finally happened.  :love: :love:

March 15, 2012, 06:50:59 AM

2318 days! YES!!!!!

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 20, 2018, 04:45:08 PM »
this is interesting.

https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1020408254655066117

My favorite part:

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Putin felt the need to spell out Trump’s position for him: “The posture of President Trump on Crimea is well known, and he stands firmly by it. He continues to maintain that it was illegal to annex it.” Even after Putin’s helpful prompt, Trump failed to step up and condemn the annexation

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP
« on: July 20, 2018, 03:49:29 PM »
Holy crap!

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Does it seem strange that, according to a criminal complaint unsealed on Monday by the Justice Department, a Russian woman stands accused of “acting as an agent of a foreign government” in part because she hoped “to establish a back channel of communication” with American politicians at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington?

It shouldn’t. As Jeff Sharlet, an associate professor of English at Dartmouth, has pointed out, the National Prayer Breakfast has long offered “a backdoor to American power.” And America’s homegrown Christian nationalists have evinced an admiration for Russia’s authoritarian leader that appears to have grown apace with his brutality.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/opinion/maria-butina-putin-infiltration.html

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Kansas State Football / Re: Scott Frost, Giant Piece Of crap
« on: July 18, 2018, 05:28:02 PM »
MAGA, Scott Frost

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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 17, 2018, 12:13:15 PM »
if i'm being honest, neither the pee tapes nor illegal money laundering seem serious enough (in Don's eyes) for Don to look so helpless and defeated w/r/t Vlad. what else could it be tho?

Maybe he owes Putin/Russia/oligarchs like a billion dollars and this is how he's repaying it. ???

Or maybe it's not something we can figure out without some psychologist's explanation or something.

https://twitter.com/CharlesLeerhsen/status/1018926965124927489

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 17, 2018, 12:02:53 PM »
if i'm being honest, neither the pee tapes nor illegal money laundering seem serious enough (in Don's eyes) for Don to look so helpless and defeated w/r/t Vlad. what else could it be tho?

Maybe he owes Putin/Russia/oligarchs like a billion dollars and this is how he's repaying it. ???

https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/09/investing/russia-sanctions-deripaska-rusal/index.html

https://www.newsweek.com/us-sanctions-russia-putin-treasury-oleg-deripaska-moscow-syria-887614

Yeah, he can't control everything, can he? He's said again and again and again that he thinks all sanctions should be removed.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 17, 2018, 11:48:02 AM »
if i'm being honest, neither the pee tapes nor illegal money laundering seem serious enough (in Don's eyes) for Don to look so helpless and defeated w/r/t Vlad. what else could it be tho?

Maybe he owes Putin/Russia/oligarchs like a billion dollars and this is how he's repaying it. ???

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 17, 2018, 09:33:16 AM »

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 17, 2018, 07:24:40 AM »
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“How was it that this Russian woman happened to be in Las Vegas for that event?” Bannon and Priebus discussed among themselves, according to “Russian Roulette.” “And how was it that Trump happened to call on her? And Trump’s response? It was odd, Bannon thought, that Trump had a fully developed answer. Priebus agreed there was something strange about Butina. Whenever there were events held by conservative groups, she was always around, he told Bannon.”

https://twitter.com/Isikoff/status/1018991836629815302

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 11:23:01 PM »
Walk me through how Russia getting big and bad by taking over other countries threatens our national security.  Or is it just that the idea of them becoming powerful is so intolerable to USA that USA would go to war against them?

I don't think it's a binary deal - threat vs. no threat. They (or any country) would be a GREATER threat simply in virtue of being bigger and badder.

Gotcha.  I don't believe Russia will ever pose a threat USA can't handle.

Could a big reason for that be that USA does believe Russia could pose a threat?

There are other reasons to pay attention, though. Are you curious about why Trump acts like Putin is his boss? Do you find it interesting that this stuff could eventually get him thrown out of office? It's pretty historic.

I think your assertion that only people who already dislike Trump care about things like what happened today is pretty easy to disprove. Many of Trump's staunchest defenders, like Newt Gingrich, are pretty unhappy about it.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 09:03:25 PM »
Putin wants to take over a bunch of countries and make Russia all big and bad, which is a threat to national security. (See Cold War.) If we let Putin do what he wants and end up getting into a war in order to stop him from being too powerful, that would also be a threat to national security.

Walk me through how Russia getting big and bad by taking over other countries threatens our national security.  Or is it just that the idea of them becoming powerful is so intolerable to USA that USA would go to war against them?

I don't think it's a binary deal - threat vs. no threat. They (or any country) would be a GREATER threat simply in virtue of being bigger and badder.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 07:32:07 PM »

I agree that the focus should be on national security.  What is it we're afraid of?  Is this all a first step toward Putin's Russia attacking and colonizing us?

Putin wants to take over a bunch of countries and make Russia all big and bad, which is a threat to national security. (See Cold War.) If we let Putin do what he wants and end up getting into a war in order to stop him from being too powerful, that would also be a threat to national security.

i don't think russia is in that strong of a position.  they (putin) are operating from a fairly weak position.  like any country and group in power in that country, they have a number of diverse interests.  ranging from the personal such as being able to secure and enjoy the enormous amount of money putin and his oligarchs have sequestered outside of russia to the geopolitical such as halt, if not dissolve, the eastward expansion of the eu and nato.

Putin has pretty explicitly expressed his views on this stuff. And I'd say it's more an issue over the next several decades than the next several years.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 07:14:27 PM »
I think people are overall more concerned about national security in general than the 2016 election. And then you have some of the more educated types worried about the authoritarian direction of more and more governments around the world like pre WWII.

I agree that the focus should be on national security.  What is it we're afraid of?  Is this all a first step toward Putin's Russia attacking and colonizing us?

Putin wants to take over a bunch of countries and make Russia all big and bad, which is a threat to national security. (See Cold War.) If we let Putin do what he wants and end up getting into a war in order to stop him from being too powerful, that would also be a threat to national security.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Trump owns Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 05:54:52 PM »
I think people are overall more concerned about national security in general than the 2016 election. And then you have some of the more educated types worried about the authoritarian direction of more and more governments around the world like pre WWII.

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