Is it impossible for 15/16 team to be better than 14/15?

[Pete]

I read that we will return just under 30 points per game in average scoring next year, while losing nearly the entirety of our post defense.

Would it not take a miracle to even match this year's results?  To exceed this year's results is unthinkable, is it not?

What am I missing here?

[HerrSonntag]

Will it looks like you forgot about oscar's ability to recruit did players who aren't unathletic and don't develop motivation problems to right the ship

[michigancat]

OOC schedule will be MUCH easier so a better overall record wouldn't be too crazy. And I mean we finished 8th in conference so it's not like maintaining that finish will be impossible.

[Pete]

OOC schedule will be MUCH easier so a better overall record wouldn't be too crazy. And I mean we finished 8th in conference so it's not like maintaining that finish will be impossible.

OK, let's focus this conversation on the conference.

I will suggest that it will be a challenge to match our 14/15 conference record, and that a .500 record is unlikely, and further that a 10 win season is outside of the realm of reasonable thought.

['taterblast]

no way we're going .500 in confy next year.

[michigancat]

Yeah I would say that winning 10 conference games next season is a long shot.

But who knows? At the start of conference play this year lots of folks here thought we'd win less than six.

Plus you can't discount a better overall record, because that WILL be pointed to as a sign of progress with players who do things the right way.

[KanSt43]

Guys, it's done. It's been burnt to the ground. Accept it. It'll be much more comical this way.

[Havs]

Is oscar capable of getting any senior transfers who can play right away? If he pitches it correctly (which he wont) he could probably convince a few to go to KSU simply because of playing time.

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

Havs, no one in their right mind really WANTS to play for oscar. We probably should just go try to fill the holes by watching kids play at the rec. Sign em up.

[kso_FAN]

As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.

Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.

[doom]

As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.

Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.

At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are.  They are that rough ridin' bad. 

[kso_FAN]

As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.

Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.

At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are.  They are that rough ridin' bad. 

I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.

[michigancat]

As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.

Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.

At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are.  They are that rough ridin' bad. 

I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.

we basically had the next worse thing this year.

[kso_FAN]

As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.

Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.

At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are.  They are that rough ridin' bad. 

I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.

we basically had the next worse thing this year.

Well yeah, but there is still a gap between what we saw this year and those seasons. We really didn't beat anyone good then and were mainly not even competitive. We could fall to that level next year no doubt though.

[michigancat]

I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.

[star seed 7]

I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.

Illinois was #8 or something in Dec or Nov of 00

[michigancat]

I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.

Illinois was #8 or something in Dec or Nov of 00

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2001-schedule.html





That Iowa team actually won the Big 10 tourney.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html

[michigancat]

Mizzou was also ranked when we beat them that year!!!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html

but yeah, nothing like OU or KU

[star seed 7]

Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20

[kso_FAN]

Mizzou was also ranked when we beat them that year!!!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html

but yeah, nothing like OU or KU

I remember all those wins. I really shouldn't have said "we never beat anyone good" because that's not true, but those wins were sporatic.

Even in 94-95 we opened the Big 12 by beating Sutton's Big Country led Final Four Oklahoma State team.

[Mr Bread]

Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20

You wish.  That was Billy Eugene Self, Jr.'s first Illini squad.  Halcyon days!!!

[kso_FAN]

Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20

Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?

[michigancat]

I think that game was the same day as the B12 championship and there was a long piece in the KC Star the next day about Wefald and it mentioned how hard they played even though they got the crap kicked out of them or something.

[Mr Bread]

Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20

Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?

You guys lost that one too. 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html

I guess the good news is that it apparently doesn't matter what actually happened once a sufficient amount of time has passed. 

[kso_FAN]

Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20

Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?

You guys lost that one too. 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html

I guess the good news is that it apparently doesn't matter what actually happened once a sufficient amount of time has passed. 

I did say "near win".

Back in those days "near wins" against anybody decent were a big deal. Maybe they will be again.