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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7025 on: August 03, 2018, 09:16:46 PM »
I have heard 2 theories

1) wasn't offered
2) Russian mob would kill him

Considering those options. Isn't a presidential pardon still in play. Even with a couple years in jail it still seems like a pretty good deal.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7026 on: August 03, 2018, 09:17:51 PM »

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7027 on: August 03, 2018, 09:18:44 PM »
i recommend the august 2 episode with adam davidson

https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7028 on: August 05, 2018, 02:58:18 PM »
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Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Saturday it had made U.S. actor Steven Seagal its special representative for Russian-U.S. humanitarian ties, a role it said was meant to deepen cultural, art and youth ties between the two countries.

President Vladimir Putin presented a Russian passport to U.S. actor Steven Seagal in 2016, saying he hoped it would serve as a symbol of how fractious ties between Moscow and Washington were starting to improve.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-seagal/russia-tasks-hollywood-actor-seagal-with-improving-u-s-ties-idUSKBN1KP0NP?il=0

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7029 on: August 05, 2018, 03:01:39 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924

I thought that crap was about adoptions  :dunno: :confused:
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7030 on: August 05, 2018, 03:16:11 PM »
that was like 19 goalpost moves back

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7031 on: August 05, 2018, 03:19:08 PM »
:D
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7032 on: August 05, 2018, 04:11:45 PM »
that was like 19 goalpost moves back

Yeah the Magnitsky act excuse died last year.  To be fair, only the most gullible of idiots bought it
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7034 on: August 05, 2018, 06:43:47 PM »
I see we're back to regurgitating months' (years' m) old news.
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7035 on: August 05, 2018, 08:39:48 PM »
I see we're back to regurgitating months' (years' m) old news.
He admitted the meeting was about getting dirt on Hillary years ago?

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7036 on: August 05, 2018, 11:52:21 PM »
He admitted to the meeting years ago?
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7037 on: August 06, 2018, 07:28:30 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7038 on: August 06, 2018, 07:33:08 AM »
I just can't figure out why the president is lying about not knowing about the meeting. Why do you think he's lying about that kdub?
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7039 on: August 06, 2018, 07:40:00 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7040 on: August 06, 2018, 08:45:09 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.
That story doesn't have any public formal statement from the Trump administration? Only fake secret sources.

Yeah we all knew what the meeting was for... That's not a bombshell.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7041 on: August 06, 2018, 09:11:39 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7042 on: August 06, 2018, 09:48:13 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7044 on: August 06, 2018, 10:03:34 AM »
I’m not sure what the bombshell is. Trump admin acknowledged over a year ago that Trump Jr accepted the meeting under the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. But the actual content of the meeting turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

That’s not illegal, nor is it unusual for a campaign to take meetings with folks promising dirt on the other side. What has changed?

The Times and others seem to be conflating the pretext under which the meeting was arranged - dishing dirt - with what the actual focus of the meeting ended up being, to the campaign’s disappointment. That’s not inconsistent. Purported purpose of the meeting versus what was actually discussed are two different things that can both be, and likely are, true.
That story doesn't have any public formal statement from the Trump administration? Only fake secret sources.

Yeah we all knew what the meeting was for... That's not a bombshell.

Sorry, I thought that NYT article I linked had the actual statements. Here they are:

July 8, 2017: "It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared (Kushner) and Paul (Manafort) to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up."

July 9, 2017: "I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared (Kushner) and Paul (Manafort) to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/09/full-statement-by-donald-trump-jr-on-sundays-new-york-times-report.html

July 10, 2017: "Obviously I'm the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent... went nowhere but had to listen."

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884395618784993280

Ok.... None of those statements are inconsistent. I suppose you could argue that Trump JR's first statement was misleading because it omitted the purpose of the meeting, but they're not inconsistent when read together. They arranged the meeting on the pretext of getting dirt on Clinton. The promised dirt was a sham pretense to discuss other matters. What's the story here? What's the crime? Is anybody at all shocked that a campaign would take a meeting if promised dirt on the other side? :dunno:
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7045 on: August 06, 2018, 10:05:39 AM »
https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1026177474273726469?s=19

:lol: Now we've arrived at "attempted COLUSION." Because some Trump campaign staffers took a meeting with a Russion lawyer promising dirt on Clinton.

Question: if that's "attempted COLUSION," what would you call the HRC campaign's paying for a dossier full of salacious and unconfirmed Russian gossip and then feeding that to the FBI?
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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7046 on: August 06, 2018, 10:09:55 AM »
You are flailing. You don't have to do this. You don't owe him anything.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7047 on: August 06, 2018, 10:12:05 AM »
Mueller is going to kick Trump's ass so hard.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7048 on: August 06, 2018, 10:12:11 AM »
There is no legal distinction between attempted conspiracy and conspiracy. You’re better than this KSUW.

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Re: Trump owns Russia
« Reply #7049 on: August 06, 2018, 10:14:34 AM »
I just can't figure out why the president is lying about not knowing about the meeting. Why do you think he's lying about that kdub?

Serious question: Is he lying? Based upon what? The claim by Michael Cohen? I admittedly haven't followed the twists and turns of this so if there is other evidence that Trump knew of the meeting I'll stand corrected.

But just for the sake of argument, let's assume Trump did know about the meeting. Does that mean he "lied." Maybe. It wouldn't be the first time he, or any other president, has lied about something politically embarrassing. Or, maybe he just flat out forgot about it. Campaigns are busy things. They holds thousands upon thousands of meetings. Who knows? More importantly, who cares? You guys are obsessed about this Trump Tower meeting - but there is absolutely nothing illegal or even politically unusual about it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.