Author Topic: With all of this trash talk on CSU, Do we still deserve to be a P5 school? (Read 4381 times)

bshea85 · « **on:** July 16, 2016, 06:49:29 PM »

Hear me out,

I've been reading a lot of trash talk on CSU on this site and how they're not deserving of a slot in a P5 conference. If the rolls were reversed, would we deserve a spot in a P5 conference? It's not like we ran the gamut for a number of years and were asked into a P5 conference (Let's not forget, we didn't even know how to spell W-I-N until Snyder came along.) Comparatively, our schools are very similar, except we have the fortune of "sneaking" into a P5 conference unknowingly all the way back in 1913 when we joined the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MVIAA) --> Big Eight --> Big XII. I think with the success and growth of the CSU campus and football program nowadays, I'd be proud to welcome them into the BigXII. Hell, if the Big XII had broken up a couple of years ago, we would've been very welcome in the Mountain West. Seriously, before TCU left that conference, the MWC was in serious talks for an automatic BCS bowl berth.

Road trips out to Colorado are always fun and I haven't been back there to watch football since CU left the conference (I'm still miffed at that). If I can't get CU, I'll go and take their more Aggie relative, CSU, any day.

Mike from Ft. Collins · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2016, 07:28:39 PM »

Great post bshea. Some other thoughts.

Manhattan to KC = 120 miles
Fort Collins to Denver = 60 miles

Fact: Denver has more alumni from CSU than CU. Half of CU's students are rich kids from out of state that go back wherever they're from. CSU's student body is made up of about 75% Coloradoans.

KC metro Population = 2.1 million
Denver metro Population = 2.7 million

Kansas Population = 2.9 million (2 P5 schools)
Colorado Population = 5.4 million (1 P5 school)

Kansas Population Growth last 5 years = 58,000
Colorado Population Growth last 5 years = 427,000

Kansas State University = 24,000 students
Colorado State University = 32,000 students

Our new $240 million football stadium will have a capacity of 41,000 and is easily expandable to the mid-50s.

puniraptor · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2016, 07:47:08 PM »

Time to measure endowments.

chum1 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2016, 07:47:43 PM »

OF COURSE WE DON'T

Mike from Ft. Collins · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2016, 08:22:06 PM »

Quote from: puniraptor on July 16, 2016, 07:47:08 PM

Time to measure endowments.

We can also look at academic rankings. I can see how my post might've been interpreted, but my intention was only to show that if Kansas can support two P5 programs, then Colorado certainly can as well. I do think CSU and KSU being in the same athletic conference would be mutually beneficial.

The Big Train · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2016, 09:05:19 PM »

Is there a cliff notes edition of TT

Bloodfart · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2016, 09:14:22 PM »

What's the tv sitch in Colorado? Can you bring anything to the the table network wise?

KITNfury · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:27:31 PM »

Colorado is a very boring and ugly state.

Mike from Ft. Collins · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:47:09 PM »

Quote from: Bloodfart on July 16, 2016, 09:14:22 PM

What's the tv sitch in Colorado? Can you bring anything to the the table network wise?

Here are some quotes I pulled from the CSU message board awhile back. I'm not sure I completely understand the first one, but maybe you do; "With cable or satellite subscriptions compared to other states something like 45%. pretty good but also a lot of potential to grow and create unrealized revenue."

and another:

"But what I understand is that the viewership of CSU games in the Denver market is much less important to the Big 12 than whether than can get the new Big 12 network (that they hope to establish) into the cable packages in the Denver area. If CSU helps the Big 12 accomplish that, that's all they care about. Doesn't matter, in the end, if viewers watch CSU games or Oklahoma games or whoever on the network. The key is that they will want the Big 12 network in what is currently the #17 and fastest growing media market in the country. "

Mike from Ft. Collins · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:49:08 PM »

Quote from: KITNfury on July 16, 2016, 10:27:31 PM

Colorado is a very boring and ugly state.

True, but only the parts that border Kansas and Oklahoma.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:56:52 PM »

K-State: Over 40,000 Season Ticket Holders

CSU: 10,000 Season Ticket Holders

FY 2015 Cash Contributions to Athletics:

K-State: $34 million in cash and cash equivalents (stocks).

CSU: $13 million (not sure if all cash or promise to give)

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2016, 11:02:55 PM »

K-State: Over $200 million in new and renovated facilities over the last 4 years, only $80 million financed with bonds, the rest paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenue. Specific to K-State's football facilities: $170 million in improvements in the last 4 years and only $50 to $60 million financed with bonds, the remainder paid for with cash contributions and athletic department revenues.

CSU: All $220 million dollars of the stadium was financed with bonds, to be offset by future donations and premium amenities sales.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2016, 11:04:18 PM »

So at the end of the day, specific to athletics. From a financial perspective, particularly from a ticket sales and private contributions perspective. K-State blows CSU out of the water.

bones129 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2016, 11:26:35 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on July 16, 2016, 11:04:18 PM

So at the end of the day, specific to athletics. From a financial perspective, particularly from a ticket sales and private contributions perspective. K-State blows CSU out of the water.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2016, 12:17:59 AM »

I can't imagine how bad it feels to not be a KSU CAT

bones129 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2016, 12:45:23 AM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 17, 2016, 12:17:59 AM

I can't imagine how bad it feels to not be a KSU CAT

HerrSonntag · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2016, 01:15:18 AM »

10k season ticket holders? Even their own fans don't want to watch them play football :-(

scottwildcat · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2016, 07:34:55 AM »

but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2016, 09:21:18 AM »

They are basically Pitt State

star seed 7 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2016, 01:10:41 PM »

Pitt state wins championships

Bloodfart · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2016, 01:34:13 PM »

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2016, 05:57:05 PM »

Plus, we whipped their ass in their house with Wooley when they had Norris Cole.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2016, 03:16:48 PM »

Quote from: scottwildcat on July 17, 2016, 07:34:55 AM

but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?

They can't put down the doobie and drive the 60 miles from Denver to Ft Collins for games.

kcnut · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2016, 11:46:38 PM »

Yes till the end of time. or until the pac ten wants us.

schreds21 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 28, 2016, 03:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on July 18, 2016, 03:16:48 PM

Quote from: scottwildcat on July 17, 2016, 07:34:55 AM
but but but I though CSU had tons of students and alum that were all about that Rams pigskin life?

They can't put down the doobie and drive the 60 miles from Denver to Ft Collins for games.

Can you blame them? Who the hell wants to risk their lives on the gauntlet that is I25 just to watch some 2nd rate athletic event?

Author Topic: With all of this trash talk on CSU, Do we still deserve to be a P5 school? (Read 4381 times)

The Big Train