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Re: Dallas
« Reply #225 on: July 11, 2016, 05:10:34 PM »
There is an obvious difference between violence conducted by the state against its citizens than on citizen to citizen violence.  This isn't hard.


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« Reply #226 on: July 11, 2016, 05:13:19 PM »
Also, people march for dimes, against cancer etc.  people can commit to multiple causes that may or may not be maximally utilitarian.  Also true but irrelevant--- everyone dies eventually.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #227 on: July 11, 2016, 05:25:50 PM »
Also, people march for dimes, against cancer etc.  people can commit to multiple causes that may or may not be maximally utilitarian.  Also true but irrelevant--- everyone dies eventually.

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« Reply #228 on: July 11, 2016, 05:28:12 PM »
I think wanting police to kill fewer people of a certain race is a worthy cause even if it isn't the leading cause of death for that race.

if a = xb + yb + etc and b = basal rate of homicide by cops, x =  multiplier for blacks, y = multiplier for whites and etc = the same for any other group you want to input, i don't really care if you are fixated on x, y, etc or b as long as you want to do something to reduce a.


and even with all that said, the fact that the murdered minnesota guy was stopped 52 or 62 or however many times it was in the recent past is a much bigger problem than the fact that he was shot on one of those occasions, as undramatic as that sounds.
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« Reply #229 on: July 11, 2016, 05:41:41 PM »
Also, people march for dimes, against cancer etc.  people can commit to multiple causes that may or may not be maximally utilitarian.  Also true but irrelevant--- everyone dies eventually.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #230 on: July 11, 2016, 05:51:18 PM »
There is an obvious difference between violence conducted by the state against its citizens than on citizen to citizen violence.  This isn't hard.

Of course there is a difference, but they are also related. If you really care about reducing black-on-black crime, and agree it is a far worse problem in terms of loss of life, then you ought to be focusing more on that and less on vilifying the very police you need to reduce that crime. You're right, this isn't hard. You're just not thinking deeply enough.
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« Reply #231 on: July 11, 2016, 05:57:17 PM »
There is an obvious difference between violence conducted by the state against its citizens than on citizen to citizen violence.  This isn't hard.

Of course there is a difference, but they are also related. If you really care about reducing black-on-black crime, and agree it is a far worse problem in terms of loss of life, then you ought to be focusing more on that and less on vilifying the very police you need to reduce that crime. You're right, this isn't hard. You're just not thinking deeply enough.

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« Reply #232 on: July 12, 2016, 08:38:28 AM »
Have not read this thread in its entirety, but why did they make the robot blow itself up to kill the bad guy? I think they should have given the robot a gun instead of a bomb.


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Re: Dallas
« Reply #233 on: July 12, 2016, 08:41:45 AM »
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« Reply #234 on: July 12, 2016, 08:47:21 AM »
The word is the hero robot survived

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« Reply #235 on: July 12, 2016, 08:50:36 AM »
The word is the hero robot survived
If he did (and this isn't just some msm speculation) then I'll bet dollars to donuts that he/she/it will never be the same.

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« Reply #236 on: July 12, 2016, 10:00:02 AM »
The robot died, and for his valor he was awarded 72 virgin robots in heaven. 

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #237 on: July 12, 2016, 10:48:20 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

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« Reply #238 on: July 12, 2016, 10:50:25 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

according to this thread it apparently is

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« Reply #239 on: July 12, 2016, 11:01:08 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

according to several morons in this thread it apparently is

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« Reply #240 on: July 12, 2016, 11:15:08 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

but before BLM solves black-on-black crime, they need to find a cure for heart disease (the largest cause of death for AAs).

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« Reply #241 on: July 12, 2016, 11:40:49 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

"protest/solve" was an interesting connection!

No, I don't think BLM should be required to "solve" BOB crime before protesting police violence, but it would a be good idea to make BOB crime a more prominent issue in their protests, and for their protests to not facilitate more BOB crime by vilifying police and encouraging them to withdraw from heavily minority areas. You know, if they actually want to save black lives. But maybe that's not the point of BLM.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #242 on: July 12, 2016, 11:43:22 AM »
I think wanting police to kill fewer people of a certain race is a worthy cause even if it isn't the leading cause of death for that race.

if a = xb + yb + etc and b = basal rate of homicide by cops, x =  multiplier for blacks, y = multiplier for whites and etc = the same for any other group you want to input, i don't really care if you are fixated on x, y, etc or b as long as you want to do something to reduce a.


and even with all that said, the fact that the murdered minnesota guy was stopped 52 or 62 or however many times it was in the recent past is a much bigger problem than the fact that he was shot on one of those occasions, as undramatic as that sounds.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #243 on: July 12, 2016, 11:57:46 AM »
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?

"protest/solve" was an interesting connection!

No, I don't think BLM should be required to "solve" BOB crime before protesting police violence, but it would a be good idea to make BOB crime a more prominent issue in their protests, and for their protests to not facilitate more BOB crime by vilifying police and encouraging them to withdraw from heavily minority areas. You know, if they actually want to save black lives. But maybe that's not the point of BLM.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #244 on: July 12, 2016, 12:02:24 PM »
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.

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« Reply #245 on: July 12, 2016, 12:06:43 PM »
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.

well, he's missing a lot more than that, but it's a start

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« Reply #246 on: July 12, 2016, 12:15:35 PM »
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.

KSUW is missing a lot. By choosing to take the name of the organization/movement "Black Lives Matter" hyper-literally, he's constructed a paradigm whereby he can alter the conversation by injecting talking points that distract from BLM's main issue (disproportionately unfair treatment at the hands of law enforcement). Of course, he (as an individual) isn't doing any of this, he's merely parroting talking points he's heard through various media sources.

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« Reply #247 on: July 12, 2016, 12:24:30 PM »
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #248 on: July 12, 2016, 12:34:55 PM »
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate?  Genuinely curious. 

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #249 on: July 12, 2016, 12:37:02 PM »
KSU has made a number of valid points that not a single one of you have substantively responded to. The superficial responses fit into two categories: 1) you don't get it (while refusing to articulate "it"), or 2) we're allowed to believe whatever we want without criticism.

The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
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